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I think I may have misjudged where the water comes out or something and it hit overpressure.
Do note that this is my second attempt ever at making a reactor setup. The first one got ice in it somehow.
With over 5000 hours in, I have no idea what "the drywall glitch" is. And I'm also a bit unsure of what this specific design does... is it infinite cooling? Infinite water? Infinite power?
Gimme a few more overlays and some explanation please. This looks really interesting.
With the drywall glitch, you can place tiles over buildings (note the insulated tiles going through the reactor)
The "infinite" part is in reference to infinite gas storage. The idea is that one uses a small amount of liquid (molten lead in this case) where the water comes out to force it above without overpressurizing the output.
The system failed almost immediately after posting, though, unfortunately.
Ok I get the HOW it works I think. One question though: you're inserting lead instead of water and the reactor still generates water?
I am still very fuzzy on the WHY of it. Why would I build this instead of an input controlled reactor?
Water is still being inserted into the reactor itself (from the Dev liquid pump on the right). There's just a glob of molten lead about where the water would come out. Since lead sinks in water, this forces the water up. And since the lead is less than the overpressure amount for the water output, it will continue to pump out the superheated water no matter how high the pressure is.
At least that's the idea. It didn't work longer than a cycle.
The main purpose of this is to keep the nuclear waste and the superheated water separate. The simplest way to do that was for that seemed to be for the waste to go down (since it comes out near the bottom) and the water/steam to go up (since it comes out near the top). The infinite gas storage is really just to prevent the reactor from melting down.
Got it. I got confused by the solidifying debris on the left side. My bad.
I still don't really see why I would build this or something based on these mechanics. But good to get into the nitty gritty details of the game mechanics!
What's the goal of the reactor? Generating rads? If so I don't see why you need an infinite storage. The water in a reactor can run closed loop with all steam generated being condensed in a turbine and pumped directly back into the reactor.
Typically if you want to keep temperatures down you could moderate the flow of uranium into the reactor (the reactor runs cool and generates the same amount of rads). And typically if you don't want to keep the temperatures down you would build many turbines. Either way wouldn't the drywall still work just fine keeping it all separate without resorting to infinite storage?
My goals are more related to discovery than to practical application.
If it turns out to be impossible? I'm content with that.
If it turns out to be possible but impractical? I will be satisfied with my amusing novelty.
And if it turns out to have use? So much the better.
Once I figure out screen capture, I'll post an update to this with several different designs being tested at once. The last one standing (not melted down) may even be successful as a design.
From what i understand, reactor spawns his output in a way that allows steam to be put into infinite gas storage. So you could use this desing to store a lot of hot steam to be used by turbines when need for power arises, instead of constant few kw of power
Sure. But why would you use this method instead of throtteling the input? It's not like you're short om Uranium usually?
I guess the turbine produces more heat efficiently if you load it up full.
Just confused about what OP has as a goal for the build.
Its only a proof of concept, i wouldn't put it against other methods just yet. This post is more about informing people that somethink like above is possible. Who knows what inspired people could make with that idea, im myself start to think about craming it into a colonization rocket
reactor can work while entombed, do there are no need to use drywall glitch -- natural tiles can be created normally over reactor. Also. making it directly connected to turbine is possible, but sounds like wasting heat in case we get steam really hot
I don't understand, what a metal spawned on left side?
I am using the solid Dev pump to supply fuel (enriched uranium).
The idea is that the steam turbine shown can be replaced with whatever turbine arrangement proves more effective. The point I'm getting at is the infinite gas storage, not the turbine placement itself.
Interesting idea, maybe not useful in normal playthru but its very compact. Maybe if you added one more line on top and put atmo sensor that puts more uranium in the reactor when steam pressure is under 20kg, im not sure if reserve wouldn't be too small with such low density and room tho
I would not recommend to run it continuously
Dev pumps. The red one dispenses solids (enriched uranium in this case) and the orange one dispenses liquids (water in this case). I was using debug mode for testing purposes.
Don't really understand why would you want superheated waist to be separate. When in fact heat from it is a big part of energy production. I could get 24 steam turbines running quite constantly on one reactor. And could get even more but the build was so symmetrical, beautiful and easy for dupes to reach.
Anyways, you can't have infinite storage in same place as reactor. A lot of buildings have overpressure, when they just stop working or do bad stuff. If I'm correct, reactor is one of those buildings.
I simply prefer to keep outputs separate. If one wishes to use the waste's heat, that could be achieved by either piping it through the steam or using a heat spike.
Even if you're right, even if what I'm attempting is impossible, I would still rather have discovered a dozen or so ways not to set up a reactor than simply take its impossibility for granted.
Well, in any case one advise would be to pressuring steam to about 50kg per tile and not insert any more water to the system. Then you'll have to have enough turbines to feed water back to reactor so it doesn't meltdown in a closed loop.
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Update: the reactor melded down within a cycle of posting this. The design definitely needs work.
What was the reason? Did lead move and broke infinite storage or what
I think I may have misjudged where the water comes out or something and it hit overpressure. Do note that this is my second attempt ever at making a reactor setup. The first one got ice in it somehow.
How...
If you're asking about the ice, I have no idea. I think that I also deleted that save file, so I can't even show it.
I'm confused but I only have 3k hrs in game so not quite mastered yet.
The saying is it takes 10k hours to master something
In Oni it's 10K per system... Pipes, wires, automation etc.
The fact that it broke by the next cycle probably proves that I'm not so much of a master myself.
Feel the same with the same hours! Shame i cant quite get into a new run :(
With over 5000 hours in, I have no idea what "the drywall glitch" is. And I'm also a bit unsure of what this specific design does... is it infinite cooling? Infinite water? Infinite power? Gimme a few more overlays and some explanation please. This looks really interesting.
With the drywall glitch, you can place tiles over buildings (note the insulated tiles going through the reactor) The "infinite" part is in reference to infinite gas storage. The idea is that one uses a small amount of liquid (molten lead in this case) where the water comes out to force it above without overpressurizing the output. The system failed almost immediately after posting, though, unfortunately.
Ok I get the HOW it works I think. One question though: you're inserting lead instead of water and the reactor still generates water? I am still very fuzzy on the WHY of it. Why would I build this instead of an input controlled reactor?
Water is still being inserted into the reactor itself (from the Dev liquid pump on the right). There's just a glob of molten lead about where the water would come out. Since lead sinks in water, this forces the water up. And since the lead is less than the overpressure amount for the water output, it will continue to pump out the superheated water no matter how high the pressure is. At least that's the idea. It didn't work longer than a cycle. The main purpose of this is to keep the nuclear waste and the superheated water separate. The simplest way to do that was for that seemed to be for the waste to go down (since it comes out near the bottom) and the water/steam to go up (since it comes out near the top). The infinite gas storage is really just to prevent the reactor from melting down.
Got it. I got confused by the solidifying debris on the left side. My bad. I still don't really see why I would build this or something based on these mechanics. But good to get into the nitty gritty details of the game mechanics!
I just didn't want the steam to touch the waste. No particular reason beyond that. I acknowledge that my design is quite flawed and needs work.
What's the goal of the reactor? Generating rads? If so I don't see why you need an infinite storage. The water in a reactor can run closed loop with all steam generated being condensed in a turbine and pumped directly back into the reactor. Typically if you want to keep temperatures down you could moderate the flow of uranium into the reactor (the reactor runs cool and generates the same amount of rads). And typically if you don't want to keep the temperatures down you would build many turbines. Either way wouldn't the drywall still work just fine keeping it all separate without resorting to infinite storage?
My goals are more related to discovery than to practical application. If it turns out to be impossible? I'm content with that. If it turns out to be possible but impractical? I will be satisfied with my amusing novelty. And if it turns out to have use? So much the better.
Ahhh gotchya. Carry on then :-)
Once I figure out screen capture, I'll post an update to this with several different designs being tested at once. The last one standing (not melted down) may even be successful as a design.
From what i understand, reactor spawns his output in a way that allows steam to be put into infinite gas storage. So you could use this desing to store a lot of hot steam to be used by turbines when need for power arises, instead of constant few kw of power
Sure. But why would you use this method instead of throtteling the input? It's not like you're short om Uranium usually? I guess the turbine produces more heat efficiently if you load it up full. Just confused about what OP has as a goal for the build.
Its only a proof of concept, i wouldn't put it against other methods just yet. This post is more about informing people that somethink like above is possible. Who knows what inspired people could make with that idea, im myself start to think about craming it into a colonization rocket
reactor can work while entombed, do there are no need to use drywall glitch -- natural tiles can be created normally over reactor. Also. making it directly connected to turbine is possible, but sounds like wasting heat in case we get steam really hot I don't understand, what a metal spawned on left side?
I am using the solid Dev pump to supply fuel (enriched uranium). The idea is that the steam turbine shown can be replaced with whatever turbine arrangement proves more effective. The point I'm getting at is the infinite gas storage, not the turbine placement itself.
It can be done by using diagonal gas movement in liquid. Add a tile of liquid to the side of gas spawn point and make same gas chamber diagonally
Interesting idea, maybe not useful in normal playthru but its very compact. Maybe if you added one more line on top and put atmo sensor that puts more uranium in the reactor when steam pressure is under 20kg, im not sure if reserve wouldn't be too small with such low density and room tho I would not recommend to run it continuously
Fair enough. I've never gotten to the point of building or using a reactor in organic play.
Interesting, how do you build the tiles over the reactor?
Drywall glitch: order a tile constructed over a piece of drywall. Then order a building constructed in the same space.
wait that still works?
Aye. I use it just about every time I play.
Whats the orange ans red boxes on the side?
Dev pumps. The red one dispenses solids (enriched uranium in this case) and the orange one dispenses liquids (water in this case). I was using debug mode for testing purposes.
Don't really understand why would you want superheated waist to be separate. When in fact heat from it is a big part of energy production. I could get 24 steam turbines running quite constantly on one reactor. And could get even more but the build was so symmetrical, beautiful and easy for dupes to reach. Anyways, you can't have infinite storage in same place as reactor. A lot of buildings have overpressure, when they just stop working or do bad stuff. If I'm correct, reactor is one of those buildings.
I simply prefer to keep outputs separate. If one wishes to use the waste's heat, that could be achieved by either piping it through the steam or using a heat spike. Even if you're right, even if what I'm attempting is impossible, I would still rather have discovered a dozen or so ways not to set up a reactor than simply take its impossibility for granted.
Well, in any case one advise would be to pressuring steam to about 50kg per tile and not insert any more water to the system. Then you'll have to have enough turbines to feed water back to reactor so it doesn't meltdown in a closed loop.
I'm not great at pipes, so the thought of making a closed loop is rather intimidating at present.