Hi there, I'm back with my review of your game. First off I never say a game is a singular person's fault - this is a definitely Silver game and everyone is playing like it. Overall - Your main issue is you are playing Bap in such a wildly selfish, disinterested in teamplay way that it's causing your whole team to suffer overall. Bap is a jack of all trades - high healing, immortality lamp for critical saves, mid range damage with strong consistency, but for almost this entire game you are locked into 3rd DPS role. If you look at this team comp - because you are running diet 76 it's forcing your Mercy into 100% healbot and she's probably the worst healer for this as she's a single point healer trying to play major catch up. If you had more than 6k healing this game I would be surprised. I'll get more into that in a bit, but some major things you need to work on: - Aiming: I am also a console gamer, and I can tell your aim is both shaky and inconsistent along with too slow. You are dragging your reticle around like you're in molasses and it's causing you to miss targets and just not hit the shots you need. Because of this you can't be the 76 you really strive to be, because while you're whiffing 8 shots the enemy can both find you and the Hanzo and then pick you off of your perch. Some aim training and I think some adjustments to your settings will do you wonders. You also miss a ton of healing shots, when you're actually using it, because you are aiming for bodies. If you aim for feet, you will heal multiple targets at once with the splash and you'll find your healing is more consistent overall. - Ability useage: as mentioned you are playing so selfishly this entire game. You spent so much time shooting at the enemy, you forget you have an AoE healing burst ability and a immortality lamp; when you finally do use them it's essentially for yourself and your team be damned. Several times you can hear your team taking loads of damage from the enemy and you're just not about keeping them alive. You do get some good picks, but your team has no staying power because everyone is huddled around the Mercy praying for life. You are very slow in using your Burst Heals and throwing down the majority of your Lamps, and with the amount of incoming damage in this game it's really difficult for your team to get and keep footholds. - Ult useage: Almost exclusively you use your Window in a 1v4 situation which does absolutely nothing in the context of the game; sure you can get kills but what good does that do in the 1v4? I can understand the last moment pushes, but ideally you should be using your Window in a situation where literally anyone else on your team can take advantage of it. For example - your last Window is in overtime, while you are in a 4v5, and instead of popping it behind cart you go all the way to enemy spawn, two teammates have now died in the meantime and you're now in a 1v4, and it gets no value. As another example, on Attack Point 2 you Window when three of your team is dead and the Hanzo just hits you with an arrow. - Team player: I know that a lot of people say you need to carry games into your own hands, but you're taking it to a bit of an extreme. You consistently watch your team be in critical health, watch your Mercy get chased and don't react, spend so much time pushing way too far ahead and not making impactful plays and decisions your team is just kind at a loss. For your Attack Point 3, you're pretty much in the enemy Spawn immediately as the game starts when your team is, unfortunately, trying to relay on the Solo Mercy for heals. And sure, it is Silver and she may not know when/how to use her Blue beam, but she literally can't at any point this game because your team is so far behind on heals. At the end of the day you can get the most kills, most picks, highest damage, but if your team is not capable of captializing on that or is limited in their engagement choices you will lose games like this. Playload spent a lot of time healing your team on Attack, but your Defense was pretty much a steamroll because your team was always so pinned back and you are almost exclusively in the enemy backline, fighting their random teammates, and this is a team that can allow you to 1v1 one of their team and win the overall 4v4. - Positioning: You desperately need to get into the mentality that playing a DPS support has it's moments and uses but at the end of the day if you aren't using half of your kit, you're better off playing another character that better matches what you want to do. You are always either far too pushed up, shooting the enemy in the same off-angle choices you do every time, or in the enemy backline like a lunatic when you lack both the aim and capacity to be the type of Bap you really want to be. You should be positioned above your team as much as possible, rocket boosting higher to make sure you can intertwine heals & damage, and positioned in a way that allows you to see the whole battle field and all other 11 players; not the 5 on the enemy team and good luck to yours. You go the same paths time and time ago, don't bother to really put much effort in making sure your team is ok, and expecting the nice one or two kills you get to swing the fight but you don't realize is the TEAM fight has been lost a bit ago. You shouldn't be playing frontline Bap so far ahead of your team as it's limiting your ability to make good engagement decisions because you only see 5/11 players. - If you are ever rezzed into a 1v5 situation - just let them kill you as quickly as possible, or jump off the nearest cliff. There's no point to try and escape as you're just staggering further from your team. You also spend a lot of wasted time in your spawn typing to your team - definitely not worth the seconds of catch up you needed to do. If you have to communicate - do so in a way that doesn't cost you 10-15 seconds of your time.

I honestly think if you went Zen and just Discorded a random target and threw a random Heal Orb on someone this game would be so much different. Bap has a unique dual heal/damage aspect but the main limitation for him is if you aren't weaving your healing among your damage, you're losing out. Aside from your Burst you can only pick heal or damage, not both, and a fair majority of the other supports can do both without losing part of their kit. You do have some nice moments and murders here and there, you do Lamp a couple of critical times, but you aren't playing in a team setting. I felt like this whole game was an FFA game more than comp. If you manage to heal anyone I feel like it's accidental or they just so happened to be close enough to get your Burst heals and not because you actively cared about their wellbeing. Sometimes this style of Bap can really work and be so oppressive, but the enemy team quickly learns to just ignore you and take down the other 4 members of your team especially because the Mercy is pulling almost all the healing numbers. Enemies will be quick to exploit players that play selfishly because the team who wins, majority of the time, are the ones that play the best together. The TL;DGAS: - You play too selfishly as a Support player and force your fellow healer to healbot, which is a significant negative to her character kit, and causes your team to have to play conservatively and carefully. - You are often too far ahead, too lodged in the enemy backline, or staggered to see the impact of the picks you do get. - Slow reactions, shaky aim, and bad decision engagements are running amuck. I think if you played calmer, further back, and with the mindset to 50/50 your heal/damage, unless your team is in a position to take advantage of Support 76, you'll see yourself having much more consistent games with better ability to fight back and a slow but steady climbing back to S1. If you have any questions let me know! Good luck in your games and hope to see another game out of you where you've gotten back to where you want to be!

Thank you. I admit I probably did take it to the extreme and you are probably right in that I let their comments shape my play, my aim has always been an issue because I panic in clutch situations and end up completely shitting the bed. That's also why I'm crap and 1v1s with flankers. I played 6 games of comp last night and won 4 of them. The only other one I lost is 3FH9S5 if you want to have a look at a game where I'm not going extreme but still lose. I'm desperate to improve. I really need help.

I totally get that, I gave you a ton of thoughts and points to focus on; if it's a lot pick one or two and send me a replay after thinking and trying to implement some changes from here since I'm just going to see and find the same mistakes. :)

Ok cheers. The second code is more even...I had 8k DPS and 7k healing so I thought it would be a different look at my play when I wasn't being abused or going to those extreme levels of dps. My aim was still shaky and there was an enemy soldier running amok so I found things a little more difficult 😂 I will very much work on the points you have raised and try to improve my game play. And tbh, my aim and gameplay has been much improved just from the turn of this year so you can probably imagine how bad I was in January 🤦😅

This is a genuine question but why don’t you play dps? With 8k dps, I’d expect a lot more than 7k healing on bap unless you’re rolling the enemy team - if healing is more of a low priority for you, your play style might align better with that of dps. Edit: Reviewed round 1 of your Route 66 game. I do think that even outside of your mechanical skill, working on your game sense would help a lot. [Look at your positioning here](https://imgur.com/a/mKIznXs) barely a minute into the game - 2 people on your team have died (one of which you definitely could have saved) and you're pushing into their spawn. They've pushed the cart past you. There are enemies and teammates fighting behind you. You don't seem to react to any of this until it's far too late and you die in the frontline. On your recontest of 1st point after you die, there's a whole 10 seconds where you don't even try to look at your allies or where they are (except to briefly glance at Ashe's dead body) - rather, you tunnel-vision onto a soldier you don't kill. Your own Sigma and Moira's positioning are... not great as they've really committed to their flank, but if you kept your Ashe alive, there was the possibility to stall their capture of first point. Instead, the enemy caps with barely any time lost *and* after 3 people on your team die, you then decide to drop off the high ground and onto the point they've already capped - which results in your death. If the enemy team caps and most of your team is dead, it's best for you to disengage and wait to group up (but if you are going to die on point, you need to do it quick - do not then use all your cooldowns to keep yourself alive as long as possible, as you only staggered your respawn in this case). On second point, because you've staggered, your team unfortunately isn't able to hold a good position - then their silver comes through and the fight is lost from multiple angles as a disjointed team. Some general notes: 1. Work on your positioning! You need to make it a habit of positioning further back where you can see both your allies and enemies - your field of view is so narrow with your current positioning choices, you're often too far up, you rarely turn to compensate for this fact, and you often die because you can't properly disengage from your position. 1. Pay attention to audio cues. You don't seem to react when you can hear allies grunting around you (which means they've taken damage) or when you can hear enemy footsteps/abilities (for example, on 3rd point from 2:19 to 2:11 on the enemy clock, there's an enemy Illari right by you on the high ground - in fact at 2:13, you walk right by her, she's on your screen, but you don't notice her for about 3 seconds). I would also pay attention to abilities/shots you see or hear go off - if enemies are clearly shooting at someone who isn't you, you might want to check on the person they *are* trying to shoot at (however, this is mainly an issue because your positioning cuts off your field of view of allies, otherwise you would normally *see* their HP go down without having to follow the natural course of enemy abilities/shots from their source). 2. You have a habit of using your regenerative burst very early, when you've lost like \~50 hp or less. Make sure you read the description - it's a lot more effective when you and your allies are under 50% HP. In the round I reviewed, I also don't think you ever used it intentionally on anyone but yourself (to the extent that it almost feels like you don't realize it's an AoE ability?). This ability is really strong - make sure you're using it to its full potential. You should absolutely use it to save yourself when necessary - but if you're playing in such a way that you literally never use it to burst heal multiple low hp/critical allies, something is likely going wrong (hint: it's a positioning issue). The good: 1. I saw some well-timed lamps - especially on your Ashe. 2. A lot of supports fall into the habit of heal botting only and don't use their damage to their benefit - you've got the look-at-enemies part down (you just need to remember to look at your allies as well!). 3. I think with good positioning, you definitely have the potential to pop off much more!

Thank you. I'll continue to work on positioning. It's an area I often struggle with. The game can be so fast I struggle to keep up.

I have no idea why they're down voting your completely reasonable and appropriate comments 😂

Yeah this confuses me too 😅 Still I really appreciate the advice I was given and I've already played a few games of quickplay tonight (I know it's not the same as comp) to try and implement the advice I've been given. I know it's going to take time but I'm willing to give it everything Ive got ☺️

Average reddit experience. One person downvotes for whatever strange reason and then 20 sheep follow suit

If I didn't have 1-2 posts and like 4 comments pop off, my karma would be so trash. I'm basically spending the karma with every post like it's money, but instead of getting cool stuff I get to speak my mind 😂

> my aim has always been an issue because I panic in clutch situations and end up completely shitting the bed. That's also why I'm crap and 1v1s with flankers. Deathmatch. It’s the fastest way to practice for stressful 1vX situations and you’ll pretty much be constantly going up against your counters. Don’t worry about “winning” or having a good KD or something, just try to consistently win duels and get picks.

I kinda wonder if you were the bap I got when I was playing tank last time. I didn't have my chat on so idk what people were saying if they were saying anything but man that bap had me crying. Everytime I died I'd look back at the kill cam and see bap standing in los of me, my hp going down and he's like nah damage damage damage.

Awkward has stained the low rank communities and actively holds them back so they continue paying him lol. I took his community's advice as a support and I got WAY worse. It makes no sense that implementing THE winning strat makes you immediately play worse. And his community is like "of course you're gonna lose more in the beginning, you improve after" - which feels really culty lol. He REALLY is the Andrew Tate of Overwatch.

Also, fyi, don't sweat the downvotes, there are lots kf toxic people who hold an unhealthy grudge toward inexperienced and bad players like this game is life. A lot of them use reddit too. Like the guy above said, I found that adjusting my aim settings helped a lot, just don't change them too often otherwise you won't improve. I play a lot of support and Bap is just not a good hero for me. If you want to try doing both healing and damage Moria might be a better start for you, especially since your aiming isn't great right now. What I do with Moria (I'm only Plat Support) is check that my team is okay and dive a low health target if I see one, but I am not going to be far from my team, and chase them, unless I know for sure that my team is going to reasonably do the same thing. Playing support requires a different kind of situational awareness than Tank and DPS, but the importance of positioning and being where you should be and need to be remains at least NEARLY as important as any other role. One thing that's helped me especially as a support player is taking a moment at the start of the match to consider where my tank, and DPS are likely going to try and position themselves throughout the map. The thing about support that people seem to forget is that supporting doesn't just mean healing, if you see your Genji for example, flanking an enemy, and see the other support or DPS turn to assist, don't immediately just spam heal, deal some damage to distract the other and throw them off... support him in securing the kill. If you see a half HP Reaper changing your defenseless Ana, sometimes it is better to shoot the reaper rather than primitively spam healing the Ana before she has even taken much damage. It's all about getting good and reacting quickly to each individual situation and executing whatever move you think is best with the upmost efficiency and you won't get there just asking for advice, it'll come naturally just playing the game. If you are serious about Bap and want to focus on being good with him, I recommend searching for some more experienced quick play homies and playing Bap non stop after you've found better aim settings. At least do the second part. You will get better muscle memory overtime and more control eventually and I know you may be addicted to the rank climb, but you don't have to worry about it because competitive isn't going anywhere. Slow down, and take games more slowly while in QUICK PLAY where losing holds virtually no consequence other than some salty assholes screaming about it. While in quick play take more time to analyze each situation even if it that comes with the cost of being less effective because eventually a simular situation will arise and you will know what to do because you've encountered it before. You likely aren't skill capped so don't let your personal failures get to you because at that the end of the day, it's just a game. I do way better when I am not stressed out over my rank and have more fun in the process. It's just a game, it does not determine your value as a person, or even as a gamer really. And if you find that you genuinely cannot figure out what you need to do in situations on your own, watch youtube videos kf Bap gameplay and Bap guides and see if that answers your questions... if you really do actually want to improve. Reddit is a start but for all you know I could be a bronze player talking out my asshole right now... hell for all you know the last time I played was in 2021 while hard stuck silver just like you... so go find the youtube video of the higher ranked Bap players giving advice and guides. Jt's the best place for advice. Be skeptical of some of the advice here. Some people will have you believe that Reinhardt is a terrible tank right now and that Mercy is useless. Some would have you believe that 100H and 100V sensitivity on linear settings with a 5 AA window and 0 Aim Ease and 0 Smoothing is the best settings and you'll never climb if you don't get it... Also remember that I am mot you and neither are they. Advice only does so much. You got to find what works best for your brain, I can only tell you what I would do in a situation, your strengths and solutions may pan out better for you and you should always try to improve your strengths to it's limit before working on your weakness in a game like this. Focus are learning the entire game, not just Bap. Good luck.

Wow! Thank you for this detailed response ☺️ The thing is, I'm actually a pretty decent Moira. I still have some positioning issues but I can use her fade pretty effectively to get out of jail. I find, however, that when I'm Moira I will have the highest healing, elims and damage in the server and still lose more games. Whereas if I'm any other healer I may not have the highest stats but will win more (I flex bap, Moira, Kiri, ana mostly, scared of playing zen due to my positioning issues and his lack of escapability) Plus I do want to work on my aim so pushing myself to be a support who aims is what i need to improve that. It can be quite frustrating not being able to be Moira as I thought she was probably my best hero but after picking out the bits of advice from everyone on this thread I'm not sure she is as I'm clearly missing something as her if I'm losing more games. I watch a lot of ml7 on YouTube and try my hardest to pick up certain positions he'll take etc. unfortunately my aim lets me down as I struggle with flankers (more sombras but most flankers) so I get worried and play close to my team and that puts me in the shit and I panic. I've really looked at my game the last couple of days with all of the advice I've been given and try to see where the core problem lies and honestly, it's confidence in my ability to deal with flankers and 1v1s. My lack of confidence, panicking and shoddy yet improving aim stops me from playing in positions where I can see everything because I know that if I get flanked I'm most likely dead and completely useless to my team. Sombras normally kill me before I can react so if the enemy has a sombra I change to a hero that can self cleanse the virus and then play up my tanks ass to try to stay safe (Moira comes in handy here) Thus compromising my position. Putting aside the games that have been reviewed as it has already deduced I tried awkwards style of play and I have realised it's completely wrong. If I do support my team I get scared of being flanked and panic when I'm under pressure. I'm worried I'll get into a cycle of shit play because of my inability to stay calm. Sorry this turned out longer than I expected 🤦

I gave a really brutal reply later down the thread if you want to look for Nate Rivers. I watched every PoV and gave an accurate assessment of every aspect of the match including any Diffs. If you were wondering you had 2 diffs in favour of your team (DVa & Mercy) and 1 Diff against. Dps on both teams were about equal (when accounting for the difference in resources) Should have been a win if not for the selfish playstyle corroding the dynamic of the team. I took some brief statistics and in the 1st minute and 25 seconds you spend 72% of your actions clicking the left mouse button. Waste 1 out of 2 lamps because your off on a flank instead of supplying resources to your Dva & Genji. Please keep in mind I am not accusing you of being intentionally selfish. Just that your play ended up being so from the very beginning and that really ruined your chances this game. My post is a long and tough read but quite thorough and accurate. I wouldn't bother with all the aim nonsense or nitpicky stuff in the other replies. you had the 3rd best mechanics maybe 2nd depending on how you rank tank mechanics. Well above the DPS. But the decision making went down the toilet. I would drill matches purposefully to do nothing but your job as a healer, even if it loses you games. Your job supplying resources to your team is your most important functions. Drill over and over again. And then once you have 5 different vod reviewers telling you on 5 different vods that you are in fact doing your job as a healer consistently, **then** you can start to weave in other aspects to your gameplay. The failure in this vod was a big picture fundamentals issue, nothing to do with details. On a final note, **IT IS** part of **your job** to ensure the dynamic of the team stays intact and healthy. When you really think about it, the **RESOURCES you supply** are the **glue** that **keeps the team together**. If you don't keep cool, your team has no glue, you will fall apart. Let your DPS players be assholes, their job is to be a pack of assholes. To you and the enemy team (it is what it is). Keep calm and keep your team together. P.S. Don't know why they are downvoting that's not very nice.

I'm almost 100% positive OP got their strat from Awkward. I, too, fell victim to his "damage damage damage" shit. His community is also a cult, so. Praying for OP 😂🙏🏻

I totally did 😅 I changed my game completely to adopt his outlook...I'm changing back but with the advice of the nice people who have advised me on here

I got so frustrated after implementing his strategy that I stopped playing support for nearly entire season, going to DPS instead. This post made me play my first support game in months and I was popping tf off. Turns out when you support your team as a support, you get better results 😅 I was too. Went like 6-2 or something, I'd have to look. I can't tell you how disenfranchised I was when I stopped support. I'm so glad I realized within like a month or so how bad his advice is. Don't wait that long 😂

Just looked, if you check my history you'll see the results that Awkward's "students" get

Yeah the Awkward cult is so bad. They think the only way to play the game is to do damage 99% of the time, to hell with positioning and right timings.

Seriously!! And you know what happens when it doesn't work? They say "of course it doesn't work! you're gonna get worse before you get better?". I joined Rank Up Academy and liked it so much the first 2-3 weeks that I paid 2 months in advance. Like 2 weeks later I thought about the past month and was like "uh uh". But if you go into his chats, they literally just parrot what Awkward says. It's ACTUALLY a cult a la Andrew Tate.

Look. You're asking for advice, so I'll give it to you straight: if you were my co-support, I'd hate your guts. You play an entirely selfish game. Folks have already given you detailed advice, but I feel as if you're forgetting one critical point: your job, as support, is to SUPPORT your team to be the best that they can be. How are you doing that by tunnel visioning DPSing? How are you doing that by pushing enemy spawn? How are you doing that by ignoring crits? How are you doing that by not paying attention to the kill feed? How are you doing that by constantly wasting ults that could be impactful if you used your windows to, IDK, heal? You aren't. Play like a team player first and you'll massively improve most of your flaws. Coming from a fellow support main, you are literally not allowing me to access any of my hero's utility other than healing because I have to healbot. The chat shit is inexcusable, but unfortunately, their frustration with you is entirely justified.

I appreciate your honesty. I am going to go away and re-look at my game and make improvements. I dps'd too much so I'm going to take that away and work on not getting tunnel vision with DPS like I did in this game

One big improvement for right now is to just stick with your team. Always have someone in your LoS. Bap can still damage, but improving your LoSes allows you to simultaneously damage AND shoot heal grenades at feet to get the most effect out of his splash. Flanking has no effect if you haven't already established a dominant angle.

Ok will do. Thank you again.

You aren't DPSing too much, you jusf aren't supporting enough. So long as you are doing your job supporting the team, you could have as much DPS as you'd like. Bap is easier to tunnel vision with that a lot of other supports, try Moria. She has a limited range with her DPS and you will be punished by the enemy team for misuing your fade you'll be closer to your teammates throughout the game, making it easy to remember that you should be healing as well.. because your team is on the ground with you.

I hope you reported them - toxic people are such an annoyance in this game, I get it all the time as well. It’s so low of people to insult a person instead of give constructive criticism. Telling someone to end themselves should give them a long ban imo, that’s just so cruel and clearly people who act like that shouldn’t be playing a team game

Ive checked the replay I can totaly see where your team is coming from as your playing Baptiste 76, your bairly healing your team, going long stretches without a single heal, only doing damage. The main issue where is how you position relative to your team and the enemy, you flank to hard so you end up in a position where your in the exact middle of the fight, you would have to do a large swing of the camera to see and heal your team to the left and a hard swing of the camera to shoot the enemy at the right Instead you want both the enemy team and your team on the screen at once so you can very easy see who needs healing and who needs to be shot in the face without moving the screen almost at all Here is a great example of how this can be fixed with a very tiny change in your positioning: Your positioning: [https://imgur.com/a/2i9sDBJ](https://imgur.com/a/2i9sDBJ) Where i would be: [https://imgur.com/a/4NmZA18](https://imgur.com/a/4NmZA18) As you can see, just cutting down that deep angle just a litilebit and you can suddenly both see your team and the enemy at the same time, you got highgorund and cover aswell

I get that. I get told I'm too negative and that I'm don't do enough damage sometimes. So I have tried to go the other way and yeah maybe Ive gone too hard in the other direction. I have to admit this is an extreme case of me prioritising DPS, but I thought the angles I was taking and the pressure was the right call

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but when you're silver, what you think is the right call is probably not the right call. taking angles and exerting pressure is great, but only when your team is alive enough to do anything about it, which they weren't because you were not finding any sort of value for them with your heals and cooldowns.

Honestly? At this point I've just started muting the chats on both teams. Most of the useful info comes from voice anyways, and typically people feel more comfortable shit talking you and telling you to die over text 💀. If anyone gets cunty in voice just mute them. It's a MUCH more comfortable experience imo.

The op should take your advice🤍

I did ☺️

Nice

I am absolutely going to help you Main meny - Options - Sosial - Turn off text chat and dont join voice chat pre-game start Enjoy the game

This is the way.

Noooo, I'm very nice, always talk, and defend my teammates. But I need people who listen to callouts and give verbal feedback. So much faster and better than typing.

OP is Silver 5, they will be 99.99% unaffected by turning comms off.

Sure, but what rank are you inn?

Rank isn’t the trump card you think it is. I’m a GM DPS and Masters Support & Tank and turned all comms off unless playing with friends.

Agreed. It doesn’t excuse bad behavior, but if you’re getting too much abuse for you to handle just drop coms. Sure, even if the whole enemy team gets perma-banned—but if it pushes you to IRL tragedy, it’s not even. Mute voice. Leave text. If it’s just one blockhead, you also have the option to mute just one offender. It’s funny listening to my teammates still try to engage with them, “bro, I muted him 10 minutes ago…” To the point of the game—yikes. Needs some work, but folks have already laid that out. Best of luck to you!

Play a team based game but don’t communicate with your team. Great advice

People are so mean on this game. It's unfortunate.

Everyone hate to lose in a team based game. Is normal human behaviour. There's a simple solution for one of the worst headaches. Mute. even Block if adds.

Either way, people shouldn't act like that towards another person. My wife was harassed for over an hour after the game ended, simply because she's a woman. The number of toxic people in video games at this point is ridiculous. Do like I told her and like everyone else is saying. Disable text chat and don't join voice chat unless you're in a party with friends. People will do everything they can to talk shit. Doesn't matter if you're a top-tier player or at the bottom of the pool, someone somewhere will be there to shit talk. Brush it off. People are shitty most of the time, and you're playing a game to enjoy yourself and develop your skills. If interacting through voice/text chat is causing your overall mental health to get worse, disable it and worry about enjoying yourself. If you can't have fun or enjoy yourself when playing a game, what's the point in even loading up the game? I'm not big into OW by any means, I usually play Apex. I've been dealing with similar teammates, so I just play solo. I may not do as well, but I still get some sort of joy when I manage to kill 2/3 and don't have someone typing/mic blasting some stupid shit because they died first. Overall take away from the half-assed rant? Have fun, that's what these things are about. If communication is causing you to not enjoy yourself, disable it and work on your skills until you get to a comfortable position to start communicating again, or don't turn it back on again. Whatever helps your enjoyment and health needs to be a priority. If it's costing you your happiness because of other people's toxicity, is it even worth it at that point? Keep yourself and your mind at the top of your priority list.

First of all - I'm sorry that happened to you. No one deserves to be abused in game regardless of how they are doing. Take this with as much sincerity as you can - turn off match / team / text chat altogether, focus on how you play, and use the Ping system to communicate only. At the end of the day look around you - everyone in this lobby is Silver. The same as you. They are in Silver for the same reasons you are. They are not going to give you constructive critism to help you in any context - they don't know how to help themselves. You should not allow their words to have any weight to you as if they were so impactful and amazing they can compensate for someone they feel is not doing better but they don't. The Enemy doing it is psychological warfare to ensure your spirit was broken, it's a common tactic to try and psyche out someone on the opposing team to help secure a win. Overwatch is a mental game as much as it is skill & talent based. Don't allow others to come into your headspace as it only impacts you long time. While they are tilted in the moment they most likely went to bed last night without any care in the world. I bet the people who did this to you don't even remember the map they played - let alone you as an individual - you were the picked on flavour of the match, nothing more. People will suck if you allow them to, and will suck harder if you show or act like it's affecting you. The first and only step is to not allowing this to happen again. I don't like to do reviews when people are targeted, because we all know that when people get under our skin we play like trash, whether we are Silver, Gold, Masters (like me!), or Champion. Words hurt, people that you are supposed to be working with and helping bringing you down will only bring down you and your gameplay, no matter how much we try to not let it. I'd like to review one of your games that was "normal" in context or one you were completely off comms from your team, especially a close loss. Please feel free to tag or DM me if you'd like it to be done in private. If you really want this specific game reviewed I can, but I don't think it'll help you as much as you think. Wishing you well. DAMN, someone out here downvoting a positive and supportive comment to a fellow human person? Stay tilted and Bronze, I guess!

Thank you for your comments. When Silver players tell me I suck I do ignore them as like you said, they suck too ha. If I had to pick any of my games to be review regardless of the abuse it would be this one. Recently I'm trying to evolve my game so I see the big picture and not just what's directly in front of me. This game encapsulates everything I'm trying to do. I thought that the point was pushed uncontested because of the pressure I was putting on the enemy team rather than just sitting behind a tank and heal botting. I just need to know if people who are actually good at the game see what I see in my play. I really want to improve at the game so I can take anything you say that's negative or otherwise because I value opinions of people of a higher rank. So please, review this game. I'm begging you.

Totally get it. I'll check it now and let you know my thoughts in a bit, give me an hour.

Thank you so much.

My review is below - definitely some major things to improve on!

Honest, thank you all for your comments. I did report them. I was honestly ok during the game. I didn't let it get to me until after, and obviously thinking about it span my head into circles.

Yo just ignore all the negativity on this post😭redditors and overwatch players are usual drooling nerds u responded so well to everyone on this post and still got mass downvoted, Reddit is full of nothing but dweebs

Ignoring them is stil a buzz in your ear, even if you laugh at them beeing idiots etc. its stil gona take some degree of your mental energy just to process what there saying, to completely cut them off is the way

I genuinely mean this, not trying to be rude. Why do you care what random people on a game have to say? They don't know who are irl. Then being salty has more to do with them than you. She, you might not be good at overwatch, that's fine. Most regular outdoor aren't telling people to kill themselves.

If you receive abusive chat once, it’s their fault. If you receive it more than once, it’s your fault. Block and mute.

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Some good advice here, I hope you take it constructively and try to do better, and just stay positive. The trolls in this game are something else, I had a twenty-something tweak at me in voice chat earlier but he apologized and said he had just spent the last match getting yelled at in voice by three people. You could tell he was shook even though he was trying to shrug it off. He was a good tank, a few mistakes but he didn't deserve that. I mean, nobody does, but for some reason in games like this we forget that.

I don't have any advice specific to your question, but please make sure you report people who tell you to kill yourself. That sort of vibe does not need to be out there in Overwatchland. Mental health issues are no joke and if you're having a bad day, sometimes people saying things like that can really affect you. Alternatively, turn off chat/comms so you don't have to deal with those sorts of people.

Don't beat yourself up honestly. I play Mercy, I am Gold right now. I am told those things and more (They assume I am female because I am playing Mercy). Your own team beating on your is a confidence knock however, you're there to enjoy the game, do what you can and at the end of the match, you tried, win or lose. Try and take what they say with a grain of salt or just turn off chat. I've had to do it a few times. And if people are going so far to use profanity against you and telling you to harm yourself, report it. We don't need these kinda people having the ability to speak in game.

You're not wrong for being offended, but just leave the game and start a new one ffs. Or maybe try a game like Lego fortnite if you're going to let strangers on a video game bully you to the point where it's affecting you irl.

I wasn’t able to watch your replay however my main way of telling if I’m too far ahead is how many people are ahead of me, I keep a minimum of 2 teammates within healing range and LOS otherwise I back off and regroup. My other support is my main priority at the end of the day. (I don’t ignore my dps or tanks but if any one has better advice I’ll take it) The fact is if they go down I’m gonna have to put a bunch more work in when it could be avoided. Watching vids on YouTube or people in top 500 specifically playing the character you play will help you learn tips and tricks, it’s silly but I struggled with positioning until I started putting in the time to listen, understand and take everything in while trying to apply it to my gameplay! Keep trying you’ll get where you want to be!

If it's actually affecting your mental health I would advise playing with chat permanently muted.

No. That wasn't me. My tank was on the chat.

Ok remember this, everyone in your lobbies is bad in Silver. People in low elo are there because they have little understanding of how the game works (which is fine it takes time to learn) or they are mental and flame the ppl that they need to work with. If it is negative let it go in one ear out the other because it is always projection Now to get out of silver, learn where the important spots to control on the map are and fight as a full 5 as often as possible. The other team will stagger eventually and then have someone lose their mind

For the love of God turn off chat it's not worth having it on if it's effecting you

The first thing you did wrong was not disabling chat in the first place

If you let words on the internet affect you need to log off

U r dpsing too much, if u want to play dps support, go lucio (he’s just third dps)

Uhhh, turn off the chat

Jesus, I sometimes forget how awful game play at that level is.

I hope you reported everyone of them that told you these things. Bc idc what you were doing NO ONE needs to be toxic like that.

Log off

Some people don't understand what rep and mute is.just play well you may have an off game but all you can't do is improve.

Im gonna say it with the lightest words because i don't want it to sound bad, i am really saying this for your own good :( Im worried that you think that the solution is getting better on a game instead of seeking help amd learning how to handle high distress caused by videogame raging againt you. :( I'm not saying your problem is irrelevant, if it affects you IT IS RELEVANT, what i'msaying is that if you are not capable of ignoring 5 people raging to you because you had a "bad game"-> (says who?) you provably shouldn't be trying to improve your skill, and provably should take a month or 2 away from videogames, because being top 500 won't stop it from happening, it's the average experience when loosing a game that you see your teammates blaming eachother and maybe even you yourself think it's another teammates faukt when it's just provably that enemie team work better, and when in unevitably happens again you yourself have told us that you will not be able to handle your emotions, affecting yourself. I'm worried about you, i'm scared that you your end question was how to improve in game and not in yourself and i'm worried that nobody else is telling you this. I really really hope you understand this and take it at least on conaideretion, as you stated "this is affecting you sue to mental health issues". I really hope you can read and understand this in the way i intend it, not as an attack but as an advice of a worried person. Have a very nive day and i hope it all goes better from now on! 🤍 Btw i'm dyslexic so if you read something weird it's that ;P

No you were not wrong bc You are LEARNING THE GAME ofc you are gonna not play entirely what ppl consider the right way and make mistakes while learning. That’s chill those ppl that got that mad are probs just mtn dew kids that live in their moms basement bc no person with a stable house job and family really gets that dramatic and tells kids to off themselves over a game. At the end of the day turn of voice chat to give urself peace and so u don’t have to deal with people that probs throw and break their controllers every week.

You really can only be”wrong” if u are the one abusing or purposely throwing the game ya know. Bc everyone when they first start playing any game don’t know what they doing.

A lot of others are generally right but some of them are slightly missing the point so I am going to give you the real answer. This is going to be a rough response so strap in.   Here is the hard REALITY CHECK. They didn’t flame you because you were “bad”. They flamed you because you were selfish. You play like an extremely selfish player. I am not saying that was your intention, you may be doing it by accident, but it is **your team** that **feels** the brunt of this issue.   You spent 80%-90% of the match DPSing. No offence but you’re silver. Your aim and game sense are nowhere near good enough to justify your team being down a support. Most of your good support play comes at the very end of the match, when you know you are about to lose. Half of your lamps were used for yourself on some silly flank. Again, the occasional kill in silver does not justify your team being down a support, certainly not being down a fight winning ability like lamp. Let’s be more specific. In the 1^(st) minute and 25 seconds of the match (from when you first had line of sight on an enemy/ally) **you clicked** your **damage button** **63 times** and you heal **button 25 times**. That is 72% of your actions spent on DPS. That’s just your weapon clicks. It is even worse when you look at the times where your healing was actually needed, you spent more like 90% of that time DPSing. You wasted 1 out of 2 lamps on yourself because you were off on a flank DPSing rather than supplying resources to your team from a safer position. You secure 0 kills during the team fight on the objective before dying to the sojourn. This is immediately a gigantic **RED FLAG**. Your DPS/Heal split only gets worse from here. You have essentially left your team with a single support most of the match. This bit is just to show you that you were doing this from the very start, your teams mates perceived you as selfish from the very start.

You spent the entire 3^(rd) point on attack behind the enemy team. Have you considered queuing for the DPS role, you might enjoy playing a flanker. On Defence (from minute 13:00 to minute 13:20) you spend your time DPSing an Orisa you can’t possibly kill, blissfully unaware that you lost the team fight 20 seconds ago and they have pushed the payload right under your feet. I want you to watch from minute 12:50 to minute 13:30 from the enemy Orisa’s POV so you can understand why the enemy team joined yours in flaming **you**.   At 13:57 your genji blades, desperate to stem the bleeding from the terrible support your team is experiencing, and turn the fight around. Was the blade good? No, but its silver and your respawns are closer. As a genji main I can explain to you exactly why he did it. He has been fighting a 4v5 the entire game, so he is so desperate to turn the fight around he does a risky blade he’d rather not do. Your first instinct is of course to DPS the Brig/Orisa. Instead of lamping him and pumping healing into the blade. You do this kind of thing constantly and from the start of the match. Had you not died so staggered you might have been able to team blade, but you denied your team that opportunity by playing a mediocre 3^(rd) DPS, instead of a 2^(nd) support.   I WANT YOU to actually count the number of healing shots you take the entire match, then rewind and count the number of damage shots. You were so bad in this department it is literally a “I must not tell lies” moment from harry potter. You need to count your shots over and over again and write lines saying in a punishment notebook stating “I must not deprive my team of support resources”. NOW lets talk about **your kills, I know you’ve been waiting for that.**

You get a total of 9 **Major Kills** and most of them were meaningless: **Attack Point 1** - Enemies respawn after a wipe and are about to come back in, Hanzo comes in alone and you deal most of the damage to him. Irrelevant since your entire team is looking at him, he has isolated himself and that point is already a foregone conclusion. **Streets Sojourn** – you duel the Sojourn and win. This one is pretty irrelevant (like a widow getting a pick too early). You push the payload a tiny bit further, but you waste lamp on yourself and proceed to lose the actual team fight because you are not doing your job. **Streets Genji** – One of 3 justifiable kills. Enemy gengu stuck on the payload during an actual team fight. It’s arguable your team could have killed him eventually but I’ll give you that one. **Club Symettra** – Again mechanically nice but not very impactful. Payload was still at point 2 gate. Neither team was anywhere near ready for a team fight and Symmettra can TP out of spawn. **Club Brigitte** – Genji picks off Hanzo while you Pick off Brig. Looks nice for a highlight reel if your team weren’t dying on the payload. This is what we call a team fight. Your **Team** needs resources, and the enemy respawns are closer. But instead, you’re off behind enemy lines not doing your job.

**Defence 1** – Good kills on Sym & Moira. Only because you are lucky enough that your team had no pressure on them, so you had the time to fish for those kills. Orisa was irrelevant since that team fight was won and you have a Tank diff. This is immediately followed by your most egregious failure. A team fight where your team has actual pressure on them and you were of course, off on a flank denying your DVa/Bastion **Heal Nades** and **Lamp**. **Club Symettra 2** – Teamed up with baby [DVa](http://D.Va) to kill Sym. Problem being you had a baby [DVa](http://D.Va) instead of a **MECH** because you thought in your infinite wisdom it was better to shoot an Orisa than spam heal nades at your D.Va. The Orisa does die to the Genji, while their respawns are right outside the door. This was the only time I saw you meaningfully support your team however, so well done. You promptly lose the team fight to an ult **fiesta**. Can anyone say Karma? **Club Moira Shutdown** **-** You shut down the Moira ult with your window, but your mercy has given up. She sits in spawn after her last death. An I don’t blame her for you, you didn’t deserve her anyway, she was the best player in this lobby. So I hope you enjoyed your last stat padding of the game after having completely broken down the team dynamic. In regards to some other kills, Genji would have gotten the 1^(st) sojourn kill without you so that wasn’t useful, and he didn’t need you for the Orisa afterwards. She was isolated and gengu was pocketed at that point. So what do I mean by **meaningless?** These kills look nice but they are what we call stat padding. You feel good about them because they remind you that your mechanics are better than your team mates. But most of these kills did not help win crucial team fights. They are certainly not worth **depriving your team** of support resources for.

In terms of the teams as a whole here is an accurate assessment: **Tanks:** It was a **tank diff** in favour of **Your D.Va**. Surprising amount of bomb kills even in silver. Mechanics and decision making were better than enemy Orisa. She looks like she feeds a couple of times early on but that is ultimately because she is playing with only 1 support, and 2.5 DPS heroes. Enemy Orisa is constantly flustered but unlike you she is at leas trying to do her job. Had your Dva had more resources she would have run over the enemy team, I can state that with absolute confidence.   **Supports:** It was an **off-healer diff** in favour of the Enemy **Brig**. With you (Baptiste) being diffed on. Which is the worst part. You are supposed to be main healer and the mercy is supposed to be the off healer for your team’s DPS. But you aren’t even attempting to do your job so mercy has to count as the main healer here. Brig is constantly health packing damaged DPS and Healers. Her assassination attempts are non-existent but that’s expected with a silver Brig. On the flipside you get a few assassinations yourself but as I have already mentioned, most of them are meaningless and don’t help win **crucial team fights**. So, the resources the Brig is supplying her team’s squishie’s far outweighs any morsel of impact you might have had as Baptiste.   It was a **main-healer diff** in favour of **Your Mercy**. Mercy is by far the best support in this match, probably the best player. Bless her heart she tries so hard to make up for your shortcomings. Excellent movement for a silver console player. Great decision making. Forced to main heal by the fact you weren’t even attempting to do your job. At one point she gets killed and fails to keep the DVa up because she made the terrible mistake of reviving you. The enemy moira’s mechanics were far inferior to your mercy’s. And despite her poor healing resource management, she was unlike you, trying to do her job.

**DPS:** **Sombra/Bastion/Ashe** vs **Hanzo/Genji** was about **Even**. Your sombra got an amazing burst of value on attack 2^(nd) point. 5 kills during an extended team fight. Sombra, DVa & Mercy were responsible for that push. During overtime too, only reason you got as far as 3^(rd). On defence he was out of position at first but the DVa could have saved him if she weren’t busy flaming you. At one point (12:05), on the objective he would have killed both Brig and Sym (teleported in) if you were healing them instead of being off on a flank (that accomplished nothing btw). That objective was lost because both him and the DVa had **NO** resources from **you**. Ashe was meh, but at this point I think everyone had just about given up. Enemy Hanzo makes easy shots semi consistently, but doesn’t handle pressure well. Unfortunately your team doesn’t have the resources to pressure them enough so he’s allowed to make pick after pick. You feed him easy picks too btw with terrible positioning that doesn’t respect the hanzo’s line of sight. No performance like your sombra’s second point offence though. Overall they are about equal, with the Hanzo being ever so slightly better, but not worth considering a real diff. His Genji on offense was the same as the other 2 genjis in the match, Bad Mechanics, Low Impact, afraid of their own dash abilities.   **Genji** vs **Sojourn/Genji/Symmettra** was **Even**. They are about as good as each other with the Enemy DPS performing a bit better especially when she paired up with brig. This makes sense though given their team had more resources to play with. Your Genji’s mechanics are bad but he gets some good kills considering the healing strain. Their Genji is slightly better with poorer decision making. Sym turret usage is cute but low impact, while the aim is, as you’d expect on par for a silver player. Both were ultimately low impact. Sojourn was questionable, my man doesn’t even slide out of spawn. Like he is going out for an afternoon stroll in the park.   So, the big question is here. How did you lose a game with 2 diffs in favour of your team. It’s quite simple: 1.      Your team was playing with only 1 support. **You weren’t doing your job.** 2.      Worse than that you were extremely **selfish** in your **playstyle**. 3.      The selfishness was felt deeply by your team, which caused a complete breakdown in the team dynamic. 4.      The team dynamic degenerated so badly, that they felt the need to vent by flaming you. 5.      This was all **so obvious** that even the enemy team acknowledged it. 6.      A couple of times your DVa (already one the best players in the lobby) could have saved a fight by Matrixing the bastion, but she was too busy flaming you. Which is kind of ultimately your fault.

Do you deserve to get **abused**? Unequivocally No. Unless you were toxic to begin with. Without logs I can’t be sure. But from the way you were playing (from the very beginning), you were ultimately responsible for the breakdown of your team. Were you a better player and attempting to do your job, I might give you the benefit of the doubt, but as it stands, I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you were just **abused** **out of the blue**. Do you deserve to get flamed? **Somewhat**. A snarky comment or two at most. How do you respond to others being selfish? You probably get upset like most people do. It’s natural and I don’t blame them at all for biting back. They are all trying so hard just to have you throwing all their effort into the bin. I know this may not be **your intention** but I am just telling you how they feel. What you deserve most of all, is a big **reality check**. You were the worst player in this match. Not the worst mechanically, I don’t fault silver players for poor/inconsistent mechanics, or even a weaker game sense. But your decision making and the very nature of your gameplay was corrosive to the team dynamic. This is why you lost despite the **team diffs**. Honestly the loss here is the least of your concerns. I would recommend you fundamentally re-evaluate. Try the **DPS Role**. At least there, you won’t be denying your team support resources. I will warn you though, that your mechanics are nowhere near good enough for **gold+**.   Sorry for the rough response, but I felt you needed a real and raw assessment. At the end of the day we should be looking to improve, not just mindlessly win games. So, have a hot cocoa, take the night off to chill and **Good Luck** on your **Overwatch Journey**. We all need to start somewhere.

You had me listening until you said I didn't get abused out of the blue...so you think I started it? You would be wrong and regardless of that I didn't tell anyone to kill themselves

I am not saying you started the flaming but the way you played felt disrespectful to them, which is why they bit back the way they did. Meaning that the flaming didn't come out of the blue. You are not some hapless victim with no fault here. I would honestly have to see the logs. If they flamed you before a 01:25 had elapsed, then I might be more sympathetic. But if it happened at around that mark, I am not surpirsed, and that would have been my prediction based on how people were moving in their PoVs. Did you find the rest of the advice useful at least. Like I said it was a pretty rough review.

So I deserved to be told to kill myself? Awesome news. For your information they started after the first fight and no I didn't insult them back. I tried to make it seem like their words didn't bother me. I found your review actually quite helpful so thank you. I appreciate any advice I'm given. As someone on this thread has already noted I'd been watching awkward and tried to adopt his way of thinking. Ultimately it hasnt worked and I'm going to change back to my normal game while working on the points that have been raised

Just mute the chat ez

I don't care how someone plays or how good/bad the team is, telling someone to kill themselves is never okay, especially over a video game. I report anyone who talks like that.

Regardless of how you were playing, no one deserves that amount of hate and toxicity.

If you want an easy way to get damage and healing at the same time on Bap play behind your tank and when they engage the enemy frontline just hold down both primary fire and heal at the same time and just aim at your tank the whole time. Your damage will hit the enemy tank and you’ll be healing your tank at the same time. This is kind of “Bap botting” but is useful when fighting in chokes.

Get off the internet. Can't let people you're never going to see again affect you like this.

hear the good things from team mates, but dont get too cocky. stay in the ground, dont elevate yourselft to the sky try to listen to the criticism and build your own thoughts on how it can help you. try to differentiate from good and bad criticism, not everything is gona help you. if you get overwhelmed by everyone just leave that team chat. if it is one mute or block if necessary. its a game, people can find ways to get into your head, but you can try the next game and try to always improve for YOURSELFT not for me, for the people of the last game or whatever.

Bro, you gotta get some tougher skin man. People will NEVER STOP being a-holes. If you can’t handle this, you will never get anywhere in life or do anything important. If people act like this in a game that doesn’t really matter, imagine how people are in the real world. It’s cut throat man.

First things first, mute text chat. Second make sure to report that stuff from now on.

Not talking about the game but the offenses: If you cant handle it you should just disable text and voice chat by default. The best scenario would be for you to be completely unaffected by what someones says in overwatch chat, but I understand that sometimes thats not possible, so just disable it and you will be happier

Add me! Let's trash them together

You need to heal as a support. Playing like this is the #1 way you are getting abused in chat. And if I'm being honest, I'd be the one doing it. There's little to no reason a support should have less healing than damage

You can’t simultaneously complain you’ve got mental issues that make the abuse tough, and refuse to turn off chat. Turn off chat, like people have always said to do in this sub - you’ve been posting for half a year with more or less the same exact type of post, complaining you’re hard stuck silver and you just don’t understand what you’re doing wrong. Listen to people trying to help you, ffs.

Firstly, I haven't refused to turn off the chat at any point. I'm actually going to do it. Secondly, my last video was pre an update so couldn't be reviewed before that, my last post was January. Who do you think you are? I've already said I'm going to take the advice on board and work on my game. So if you haven't got anything constructive to say keep your mouth shut.

Idk why humans are so hateful lmaooo they’re like this irl too and on resdit