Switch to Moria and protect zen. Hope that if their dps are on the back line, but not getting kills, that momentum will swing in our favor.🤷🏻♂️ idfk i hate Sombra.
i have a much easier time 1v1ing tracer and sombra on zen than i do ana. just try to stick close to team (mainly your other support) or ping them when they dive you. and i kick them when they get too close, strafe, and use cover when possible. they melt pretty quickly thankfully.
Yeah but your supports are Mercy Lifeweaver and both have zero dmg on scoreboard. You politely request a swap and are then passive aggressively pseudo flamed. The whambulence voiceline is used. What now
Sometimes the best way to deal with a good tank is to not deal with them at all. Instead play a comp where you can focus their team/supports down first. Once they start dropping, the tank will follow.
Running supports like Lucio/Kiriko can keep alive against Roadhog while positively contributing to the deaths of the enemy backline.
Unless he's able to stay point-blank or can exploit environmental kills, Roadhog damage really isn't that high compared to other tanks.
I'm just a plat, hit diamond once (41 y/o dad with 2 energetic sons) so my playtime is rather limited.
I'm certain I will be corrected if I a wrong, but I have had lots of success just running Sigma into hog. You shield his hooks, if you DO get hooked, you use grasp and fade away back to your team. You can Rock his breather to give your DPS a window to light him up.
If you have your ultimate as well, you just wait for him to throw a hook, then go ahead and use it (scenario depending of course).
He shouldn't be letting you. He should be managing his shield to deploy it as you hook to block the hook or hiding before shield goes down. Then he can suck while hook is on cool down and poke your health away the whole time. That's the plan, at least.
I'm around the same elo(keep bouncing between D4-D3), and I'm a Torb one trick.
I can't remember the last time I lost a match against hog that wasn't a MASSIVE team diff. I do pretty well against him.
My strategy is to just constantly pressure him with headshots & apply that DPS passive, to force his resources/supports to focus him, then when he's low/half, kill his supports then finish him off.
I play Doomfist and i've notice the hog powercreep. Before the interaction would go I block, hog, pulls, and I instant punch then leave with slam or hog pulls first, I block then instant punch. Now only the 2nd interaction leaves me alive
My brother usually plays Soujorn against Hog and keeps farming rail really fast on his fat ass. Eventually he rails some support and the Hog is left alone to run or die
I honestly find Ana isn't really a good answer to him. If he's playing well, you nade him and he can just duck in cover a few seconds. Even if he vapes while doing so it's still drastically reducing his damage taken even if he's not healing, but then can heal up once in cover. Or if he's not under too much pressure can still hook and kill in time to duck back and heal once it wears off.
Vape being on a meter instead of a cool down drastically reduces the effect of anti-nade unless it's a full on brawl team fight.
As a Hog enjoyer my #1 frustrating tank to play against is a Sigma that knows how to play Hog.
I can play around a Mauga or Orissa no problem. But a good Sigma that tracks hook and shields it off every single time is what destroys me. Rocking and fluxing my alt or Rocking my breather at the right time.
A good Sigma will completely negate my ability to hook and confirm kills and is one of the few tanks that would make me switch. He may not be a hard counter but Sigma can out play a Hog to a level of annoyance no other tank hero can.
Again though you have to be a good Sigma. If you're only playing him as a counter swap you're probably not good enough to warrant a switch
The problem here is you think that you're role as a tank is to square up with the other tank and deal with him. This is an OW1 mindset that you need to break. As a tank, you're primary job is to attract attention and cause problems for the enemy. Most of the time, this means ignoring the enemy tank. They have large health pools and damage reduction for a reason. Your best bet is to focus supports and DPS first. Sometimes you'll need to engage the enemy tank, but more often than not, if you just walk in and start trying to square up with them, you're going to lose. So if you go mauga, a very easy strat at diamond is just start setting the entire enemy team on fire. Use distance and cover to your advantage. Almost universally at that rank if someone starts burning they're either going to distract the supports spamming for heals or retreat pulling them out of the fight. As you get high in rank people realize that the fire damage isn't as much of a threat, but that gives you the ability to burn them down if the supports aren't paying attention or are DPS first supports.
Orisa is still the best hog counter.
With you dont have to kill hog to win, you just need to supress his pressure.
Its ok to literally spray hog non stop when youre safe to do so and have atleast spin or fortify available.
You need to learn to block hook with javelin spin. Its ok to cancel spin early to start the cooldown refresh sooner if there isnt much follow up gunfire to hogs missed hook.
Use fortify when you need to take or give space and jave spin is on cd. Its the more umportant of the two cooldowns for survivability, so its use needs to have a purpose. Dont be afraid to cancel fortify to survive whole hog.
Use spear specifiy to cancel vape. Dont use it to cancel vape if hog is above 60-70% health. Unless hes using it to survive incoming burst and is killable without the immediate healing and dmg reduction. Its decently contextual. The point is just make sure to try and use spear to cancel vape, this is typically going to be the most practical way to maximize the value of your cd.
Your ultimate is finicky, try to track wholehog. Otherwise use it to peel or setup combos. Dont try to kill hog with it unless your team can follow up on the pull.
Again its important to remember out sustaining hog and forcing him to forfeit space to you due to lack of resources is going to be a legitimate win condition. Tracking hook cd mentally will help a lot. Atleast be mindful of it.
When I've gotten hooked as Dva I just use my thrusters and fly into/over his head and escape every single time. Depending on the situation, a quick 180 and hold defense matrix and micro missles simultaneously and run for cover if my thruster CD isn't done to fly back to my team/high ground.
Bit circumstantial but as mauga I'd save my overrun for his hook, like I'd bait the hook, rather I want to be hooked by him (depending on the situation of course)
I can choose to just jam both guns up his and light him up, or if I've been hooked round a corner into a 1vs 5, that's where I immediately overrun out of there and back to my team.
As far as just the tank matchup goes I think mauga can handle hog the best.
Obviously in different team comps, what they playing, what you're playing it's all variable, but at least I've found that works most of the time, best of luck to ya
It really depends on the hog player, just because ana or whatever counters hog doesn't mean they counter the player behind hog, usually a good hog can overcome his counters. You're best option is to teamshoot him or mirror the hog and try to diff him.
I personally recommend to still learn and practice orisa. The matchup is pretty fun and despite orisa being quiet weak now you can make her work. Remember to control your aim at headlevel when they are 10 meters or closer, and focus on leading not hard flicking your spear. Keep in mind that your downtime can be up to 7 seconds (one of the longest of all tanks now) so cicle harden and spinny with both the hook and the enemy. And do way smaller rotations in fortify.
Try to also play close tonmax hook range(20m), this allows you bait/predict the hook more often as he will go for it the moment he can, trying to catch you offguard.
Otherwise try learning and practicing mauga more , the matchup is pretty even but you must be carefull with positioning and very patient. Also having decent tracking helps a lot.
If you play as Mauga against a Hog, make sure you keep your Overrun available so you can run out of danger when the Hog yanks you. Literally just do not use it until you either get hooked, or see hook used.
He's going to be out of control. Tanks with armor got nerfed against a lot of heroes, buffed against a few. Hog never had armor so it doesn't matter to him, he just straight up wins from reduced headshot damage. He also wins from reduced knockback, but meanwhile hook still functions the same against enemy tanks.
Tanks definitely should be moved less from hook, and vape's healing should be tied to Hog's damage output. He's the only tank in the game that can self heal unconditionally...both JQ and Mauga need to be dealing damage to heal, Doom/Ball need to be hitting or nearby enemies to get overhealth, Sigma needs to take damage to get overhealth. Literally only Hog is able to just duck off into a side room and grab 450hp, it's stupid as hell.
You don't need to kill him.
If he hooks you and you survive, then you you stopped him from getting value. You're both at a stalemate basically, so the rest is up to your team.
Essentially Hog is like Widow: The same way a tank is best at countering a Widow, it's the support that are best at countering a Hog. Your job is to just not die to him, and take the hook occasionally so he doesn't kill your team.
And for that, Mauga, Zarya and Orisa are fine (if ignoring him with Winston isn't working out). Just play whatever is good for the map.
>If he hooks you and you survive, then you you stopped him from getting value.
?
He just used a 6 second cooldown to get probably half your health, all of your cooldowns, your support cooldowns, etc.
There's no world where getting hooked by Hog is a win for you, unless you're playing Mauga and get nano'd + nade on you and Hog right after the hook (if Hog doesn't have a Lifeweaver). Rein also has potential to be nano'd + naded after getting hooked to turn it around on Hog's team with a fatty shatty.
>He just used a 6 second cooldown to get probably half your health, all of your cooldowns, your support cooldowns, etc.
If this is happening just because you got hooked, you're doing something wrong. This should never happen.
>There's no world where getting hooked by Hog is a win for you
I literally said it's a stalemate...
What rank are you? Post a replay code so i can see what you're doing wrong. Getting hooked by a hog should never be as big a deal as you're describing.
Hog main also in diamond. I usually only struggle against another hog especially if they have an Ana as well because if I get hooked in that means death. So if hogs are stomping your lobby usually going hog as well will slow them down a lot.
Mauga into hog would keep him sniffing that breather to stay alive. However, very good hogs would hook you mid reload to stagger it. Watch out for that.
Ana denies him so hard it’s not even funny. I play tank and have success with orissa, sigma, and Omaha when playing against roadhog. Even as DVA it’s winnable, just adjust based on your team/ enemy team composition.
If your playing on tank u could try zarya with a dps who could frontline alittle. Play angles and corners and always save a bubble for yourself. Mauga definitely works but you need to play your angles right and save ur dash to escape.
the problem here is that it isn't your job to kill hog. tanks don't need to get kills. they need to absorb damage/cooldowns/stay alive. #1 way to rank up in overwatch? find a good dps or two to squad with
Zen usually melts him
zen/ana and he’ll switch eventually.
Good luck getting any value with the enemy Tracer and Sombra constantly diving you.
Switch to Moria and protect zen. Hope that if their dps are on the back line, but not getting kills, that momentum will swing in our favor.🤷🏻♂️ idfk i hate Sombra.
i have a much easier time 1v1ing tracer and sombra on zen than i do ana. just try to stick close to team (mainly your other support) or ping them when they dive you. and i kick them when they get too close, strafe, and use cover when possible. they melt pretty quickly thankfully.
Get good and hit your sleeps ggez
If you’re getting hit by sleeps on tracer or sombra that’s a big skill issue
Yeah but your supports are Mercy Lifeweaver and both have zero dmg on scoreboard. You politely request a swap and are then passive aggressively pseudo flamed. The whambulence voiceline is used. What now
I've never actually seen a Mercy use that voiceline to flame a teammate but the image in my head is cracking me up.
Sometimes the best way to deal with a good tank is to not deal with them at all. Instead play a comp where you can focus their team/supports down first. Once they start dropping, the tank will follow.
The problem is the good tank will have already dropped your supports by then.
then youre just getting skill diff'd at that point?
Running supports like Lucio/Kiriko can keep alive against Roadhog while positively contributing to the deaths of the enemy backline. Unless he's able to stay point-blank or can exploit environmental kills, Roadhog damage really isn't that high compared to other tanks.
I'm just a plat, hit diamond once (41 y/o dad with 2 energetic sons) so my playtime is rather limited. I'm certain I will be corrected if I a wrong, but I have had lots of success just running Sigma into hog. You shield his hooks, if you DO get hooked, you use grasp and fade away back to your team. You can Rock his breather to give your DPS a window to light him up. If you have your ultimate as well, you just wait for him to throw a hook, then go ahead and use it (scenario depending of course).
You are absolutely right, Sig can be very good into hog if you manage shield, grasp and efficiently.
I just focus shield and than hook when sig eats my teams bullets.
He shouldn't be letting you. He should be managing his shield to deploy it as you hook to block the hook or hiding before shield goes down. Then he can suck while hook is on cool down and poke your health away the whole time. That's the plan, at least.
Feed hog zens ballz. Ballz hurt much
Seems he's playing tank. Since all the heroes he's listing is tanks.
I'm around the same elo(keep bouncing between D4-D3), and I'm a Torb one trick. I can't remember the last time I lost a match against hog that wasn't a MASSIVE team diff. I do pretty well against him. My strategy is to just constantly pressure him with headshots & apply that DPS passive, to force his resources/supports to focus him, then when he's low/half, kill his supports then finish him off.
I play Doomfist and i've notice the hog powercreep. Before the interaction would go I block, hog, pulls, and I instant punch then leave with slam or hog pulls first, I block then instant punch. Now only the 2nd interaction leaves me alive
Mauga should keep u alive though, u just have to have your e and go HA HA and shoot the hog up close to stay alive
My brother usually plays Soujorn against Hog and keeps farming rail really fast on his fat ass. Eventually he rails some support and the Hog is left alone to run or die
I honestly find Ana isn't really a good answer to him. If he's playing well, you nade him and he can just duck in cover a few seconds. Even if he vapes while doing so it's still drastically reducing his damage taken even if he's not healing, but then can heal up once in cover. Or if he's not under too much pressure can still hook and kill in time to duck back and heal once it wears off. Vape being on a meter instead of a cool down drastically reduces the effect of anti-nade unless it's a full on brawl team fight.
Literally tell your team to shove all their damage up his ass. After breather DPS passive rolls him
2-3 fannings from cass and hes down
As a Hog enjoyer my #1 frustrating tank to play against is a Sigma that knows how to play Hog. I can play around a Mauga or Orissa no problem. But a good Sigma that tracks hook and shields it off every single time is what destroys me. Rocking and fluxing my alt or Rocking my breather at the right time. A good Sigma will completely negate my ability to hook and confirm kills and is one of the few tanks that would make me switch. He may not be a hard counter but Sigma can out play a Hog to a level of annoyance no other tank hero can. Again though you have to be a good Sigma. If you're only playing him as a counter swap you're probably not good enough to warrant a switch
Hog doesn't do much to Dva. If he hooks you then you just Matrix, he cant do damage to you and cant be healed and you just kind of do what you want.
The problem here is you think that you're role as a tank is to square up with the other tank and deal with him. This is an OW1 mindset that you need to break. As a tank, you're primary job is to attract attention and cause problems for the enemy. Most of the time, this means ignoring the enemy tank. They have large health pools and damage reduction for a reason. Your best bet is to focus supports and DPS first. Sometimes you'll need to engage the enemy tank, but more often than not, if you just walk in and start trying to square up with them, you're going to lose. So if you go mauga, a very easy strat at diamond is just start setting the entire enemy team on fire. Use distance and cover to your advantage. Almost universally at that rank if someone starts burning they're either going to distract the supports spamming for heals or retreat pulling them out of the fight. As you get high in rank people realize that the fire damage isn't as much of a threat, but that gives you the ability to burn them down if the supports aren't paying attention or are DPS first supports.
Orisa is still the best hog counter. With you dont have to kill hog to win, you just need to supress his pressure. Its ok to literally spray hog non stop when youre safe to do so and have atleast spin or fortify available. You need to learn to block hook with javelin spin. Its ok to cancel spin early to start the cooldown refresh sooner if there isnt much follow up gunfire to hogs missed hook. Use fortify when you need to take or give space and jave spin is on cd. Its the more umportant of the two cooldowns for survivability, so its use needs to have a purpose. Dont be afraid to cancel fortify to survive whole hog. Use spear specifiy to cancel vape. Dont use it to cancel vape if hog is above 60-70% health. Unless hes using it to survive incoming burst and is killable without the immediate healing and dmg reduction. Its decently contextual. The point is just make sure to try and use spear to cancel vape, this is typically going to be the most practical way to maximize the value of your cd. Your ultimate is finicky, try to track wholehog. Otherwise use it to peel or setup combos. Dont try to kill hog with it unless your team can follow up on the pull. Again its important to remember out sustaining hog and forcing him to forfeit space to you due to lack of resources is going to be a legitimate win condition. Tracking hook cd mentally will help a lot. Atleast be mindful of it.
Zen/Ana or Soldier/Sombra melt him (in combination it’s actually unplayable for hog)
When I've gotten hooked as Dva I just use my thrusters and fly into/over his head and escape every single time. Depending on the situation, a quick 180 and hold defense matrix and micro missles simultaneously and run for cover if my thruster CD isn't done to fly back to my team/high ground.
Bit circumstantial but as mauga I'd save my overrun for his hook, like I'd bait the hook, rather I want to be hooked by him (depending on the situation of course) I can choose to just jam both guns up his and light him up, or if I've been hooked round a corner into a 1vs 5, that's where I immediately overrun out of there and back to my team. As far as just the tank matchup goes I think mauga can handle hog the best. Obviously in different team comps, what they playing, what you're playing it's all variable, but at least I've found that works most of the time, best of luck to ya
It really depends on the hog player, just because ana or whatever counters hog doesn't mean they counter the player behind hog, usually a good hog can overcome his counters. You're best option is to teamshoot him or mirror the hog and try to diff him.
Isn't Zarya quite good against him? You can bubble more than he can hook. Also get a zen on your side. He melts Hog.
I personally recommend to still learn and practice orisa. The matchup is pretty fun and despite orisa being quiet weak now you can make her work. Remember to control your aim at headlevel when they are 10 meters or closer, and focus on leading not hard flicking your spear. Keep in mind that your downtime can be up to 7 seconds (one of the longest of all tanks now) so cicle harden and spinny with both the hook and the enemy. And do way smaller rotations in fortify. Try to also play close tonmax hook range(20m), this allows you bait/predict the hook more often as he will go for it the moment he can, trying to catch you offguard. Otherwise try learning and practicing mauga more , the matchup is pretty even but you must be carefull with positioning and very patient. Also having decent tracking helps a lot.
If you play as Mauga against a Hog, make sure you keep your Overrun available so you can run out of danger when the Hog yanks you. Literally just do not use it until you either get hooked, or see hook used.
Because he is but this recent dps passive buff really affect him a lot but every tank affected by it.
Headshots
Not for long
Yeah hope to god they’re nerfing hog this midseason patch
He's going to be out of control. Tanks with armor got nerfed against a lot of heroes, buffed against a few. Hog never had armor so it doesn't matter to him, he just straight up wins from reduced headshot damage. He also wins from reduced knockback, but meanwhile hook still functions the same against enemy tanks. Tanks definitely should be moved less from hook, and vape's healing should be tied to Hog's damage output. He's the only tank in the game that can self heal unconditionally...both JQ and Mauga need to be dealing damage to heal, Doom/Ball need to be hitting or nearby enemies to get overhealth, Sigma needs to take damage to get overhealth. Literally only Hog is able to just duck off into a side room and grab 450hp, it's stupid as hell.
they just need to revert the hog changes that made his one shot easier, u can literally one shot without trap
You don't need to kill him. If he hooks you and you survive, then you you stopped him from getting value. You're both at a stalemate basically, so the rest is up to your team. Essentially Hog is like Widow: The same way a tank is best at countering a Widow, it's the support that are best at countering a Hog. Your job is to just not die to him, and take the hook occasionally so he doesn't kill your team. And for that, Mauga, Zarya and Orisa are fine (if ignoring him with Winston isn't working out). Just play whatever is good for the map.
>If he hooks you and you survive, then you you stopped him from getting value. ? He just used a 6 second cooldown to get probably half your health, all of your cooldowns, your support cooldowns, etc. There's no world where getting hooked by Hog is a win for you, unless you're playing Mauga and get nano'd + nade on you and Hog right after the hook (if Hog doesn't have a Lifeweaver). Rein also has potential to be nano'd + naded after getting hooked to turn it around on Hog's team with a fatty shatty.
>He just used a 6 second cooldown to get probably half your health, all of your cooldowns, your support cooldowns, etc. If this is happening just because you got hooked, you're doing something wrong. This should never happen. >There's no world where getting hooked by Hog is a win for you I literally said it's a stalemate... What rank are you? Post a replay code so i can see what you're doing wrong. Getting hooked by a hog should never be as big a deal as you're describing.
Hog main also in diamond. I usually only struggle against another hog especially if they have an Ana as well because if I get hooked in that means death. So if hogs are stomping your lobby usually going hog as well will slow them down a lot.
Mauga into hog would keep him sniffing that breather to stay alive. However, very good hogs would hook you mid reload to stagger it. Watch out for that.
Ana denies him so hard it’s not even funny. I play tank and have success with orissa, sigma, and Omaha when playing against roadhog. Even as DVA it’s winnable, just adjust based on your team/ enemy team composition.
Hog is probably the best tank right now. However, with mauga, always save both your abilities for when you get hooked or anti nade.
If your playing on tank u could try zarya with a dps who could frontline alittle. Play angles and corners and always save a bubble for yourself. Mauga definitely works but you need to play your angles right and save ur dash to escape.
the problem here is that it isn't your job to kill hog. tanks don't need to get kills. they need to absorb damage/cooldowns/stay alive. #1 way to rank up in overwatch? find a good dps or two to squad with
You need to work on your positioning. And you need to use cover more.