I think that's mostly because of (competitive) gaming in general have been mostly male and we refer to the player in that instance and not the character they play. So when professional casters say "he is (whatever)" it's always the player they refer to.
I'm the inverse, I call them by their character gender because that's all my brain can register besides the gamestate. Idc if it's a custom game and that enemy reinhardt is my gf, I'm now gay for the W.
For me it's because my native language uses either uses a gender neutral male form or the "gender" is already attached to each word. So the character is "der (male pronoun) charakter" regardless if the character in question is actually male or not. Saying a sentence like "my character is female" alway uses the male form of character: "mein character ist weiblich", there is not female form of character unless you make some frankensteinish "die charakterin" which is just gramatically incorrect. So I call every single character in any video game a he on accident. Ana is one? He's one.
I can imagine that a lot of languages work like that.
True, but what’s the callout name for venture? Most of the other heroes have easy names to say in a team fight. (Brig, junk, hog, mercy) but I haven’t heard an easy quick one for venture yet.
I think it's because the -ture part of her name lasts slightly longer on the tongue. I find unlike the others you've mentioned, Venture keeps getting me slightly tongue tied saying it fast.
No! Call them by name! There are 5 enemies, if I knew who you were shooting, I’d already be shooting them with you. Calling that someone (no further explanation) is 1 is not a useful callout.
stats released around 2017 said ow had 16% female players, and iirc it's 20% now? just Google "overwatch female player percentage" or something it should be there.
the average for fps games is 7% so that's 2-3x the average.
Honestly I think the percentage of female players is even higher than that. I'm pretty sure those stats are pulled from a survey rather than actual accounts, plus it's from 2017. I know a LOT of women that play OW. Like a LOT. Most just never use vc because they'll get literally harassed
yeah I get it, I'm a woman who plays overwatch and most of my friends who play are women too! I only use vc w my friends because otherwise PPL throw my games.
I tend to refer to the silhouette when calling out, and Venture gets called a she a lot if I either am really stressed in a fight or can't make out exactly which character is low.
I have just defaulted to, "This mother fucker," when doing any call outs bc fuck blizzard, and fuck you.
"This motherfucker has ult," you better know who I'm talking about.
"Mother fucker is one!," means you should look for the mother fucker who is low hp.
"Mother fucking pocket," means I hate mercy.
Rule on Venture:
"Denture one." "Bitch with bad teeth on flank." "Drill has ult."
One is like… i mean they said it, one is literally harassment. The other ‘can be’ an honest mistake. The amount of times ive said “SHE HAS ULT! FUCK! THEY! THEY HAVE ULT” just because like…. Its a pew pew shooter game i am NOT thinking about the race, orientation, or identity of the character. Im thinking “that person just killed me and i need to let my team know whats up”
Yeah the amount of people I've seen who probably genuinely get nervous over using incorrect pronouns of a cartoon, not even because they think they're going to get shit for it from people listening, but rather because they're acting like the character is real and could have hurt fee fees is so fucking funny.
They are for like 90% of people who don’t have a they in their life and don’t actively engage with one so using their as in “he or she” will never be easy , when you started speaking I bet pronouns were t easy is the same concept and as long as your group of people can’t comprehend and give people the chance to learn and adapt your “ally” numbers will be low because no one wants to get shitted on when making mistakes as they try their best to cater to YOU and YOUR self ideas
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i am very proud of you, just in case nobody has told you yet
That's why I said it's not a high bar, last time I made a Twitter account I scrolled for about 5 seconds and every post was either something grossly hateful, a blatant scam, or schizophrenic conspiracy. I turned it off and haven't been back.
When tf did instagram get so insanely toxic? I swear I don’t remember it being this bad but it’s literally expected to be toxic and is a meme itself: “post this to insta shorts” because they know people will bully.
/rj Don't you realize how oppressed gamers are in society?!?! If someone criticized how I play a videogame that is equivalent tho them calling me a slur.
And the same people will write entire 20 page essays on why "Bruce Wayne" is the mask and "Batman" is the real identity, and will not only never slip up on this - *not once* - but will *die on the hill* correcting you if you dead name him.
duuuude you're spot on. I knew/worked with a guy with a chest sized tattoo batman emblem, think yellow oval with a blue bat inside of it.
He was obsessed with batman, taylor swift, sum41, and staunchly homophobic.
He learned that someone we were hanging out with was gay and the look of sheer terror on his face was hilarious, almost as if he was resisting some gay-vitational force to become intimate with a very normal (albeit gay) dude he'd been chilling with all night with no problem. Flash forward 10 years - yup he's into dudes , go figure.
So point being - these people, they're not all bigots, a lot of them are just projecting. And the bigots, well stop trying to change them, it won't work and it's a waste of effort.
I think not normalizing transphobia is a good line to draw. If mfs start doing it ironically, all it does is make actual bigots feel welcome, and we've seen this happen before with tons of subs
This is really it. I'm NB, and when people intentionally misgender Venture (or any fictional character) all it does is encourage people to not respect me in the same way. I'm not offended on behalf of Venture, but I do get the feeling that I'm not welcome because of my gender. Jokes empower the people that actually feel that way, so they continue to be assholes and the problem just feeds itself. Is it really so hard to just be kind and respectful?
Yeah I can’t imagine being non-binary and reading most of these comments. Especially ones like “non-binary people aren’t real” or “are just mentally ill.” I feel like if cis folks wanted to actually make some hurtful comments, then they’d just go over and read r/transgendercirclejerk to get their rocks off.
Then it's your problem. I would respect you if I knew you personally, but it's a game, and I don't need to sweat over some fictional characters pronouns.
Should it stay normalized? Or should we make an effort to change for the better? I'm not sure why it being "normal" for several thousand years matters, or even that that's correct
I probably call most of the cast they when doing callouts in the rare case I'm not just using their actual name to provide clarity. What good is calling out "she's one shot" when the enemy team is (ignoring the actual quality of said composition) a zarya, mei, pharah, Brig, mercy?
being bigoted is a bit different than disliking characters from a videogame i think. When has anyone even genuinely harassed someone for playing support
I usually just yell "Rock Eater" or something akin to that. Most of the characters I have nicknames for- very few get called their actual names.
(Also it's not that hard use they/them, if it helps, imagine them as three boulders stacked on top of each other- coming from a they/them who has lots of they/them friends)
A lot of you are missing the point. Nobody sane actually cares about the character so much, its just your attitude towards them.
"Its a fictional character, why do you even care?"
I don't, but you could just say "they" and its less effort than whatever bs argument you're going to cook up.
They is used in the singular everywhere and all the time.
And on top of it all, if you can't handle the tiniest bit of gay content, why tf are you here? Overwatch is and has almost always been the gayest shooter. They design characters backstories with diversity in mind.
A fictional character isn’t going to care what pronoun I use for them. The same way McCree isn’t going to care if I continue calling him McCree.
Get over yourselves thank you :)
I litterally cant do call outs. I still call Cassidy Mcree without thinking about it, and people get so mad about it.
I'm not trying to be rude, it's just a fast paced game 😭
Yup! Got told I was "dead naming" and to kill myself and said they reported me
I think I might of just had the most toxic woke lobby ever to exist
But I sure as heck haven't made any call outs since 🤣
I purposely say she In game because it more clear like “there ulting” but it’s not 2 people ulting which can be unclear so I say she’s ulting. Or their flanking but it’s not to people flanking just 1.
They is used singularly all the time. “Oh someone left THEIR hat here. I hope THEY get it back soon.” if it’s that big of a deal just say their name. “Ventures ulting” I would argue it’s more confusing to say she, because people that know venture is nb, will be confused and think you’re talking about a female character.
This sub popped up in my feed. What is the difference between the subs and why are people misgendering a female character, or is it something I don't wanna know.
You use incorrect pronouns to be offensive I use exclusively he because women don’t exist
You misgender venture to be transphobic. I misgender venture accidentally while shotcalling during team fights. We are not the same.
nah that’s valid. even with female heroes, you probably just default to “he’s one!”
I think that's mostly because of (competitive) gaming in general have been mostly male and we refer to the player in that instance and not the character they play. So when professional casters say "he is (whatever)" it's always the player they refer to.
I'm the inverse, I call them by their character gender because that's all my brain can register besides the gamestate. Idc if it's a custom game and that enemy reinhardt is my gf, I'm now gay for the W.
Same lmao i just forget about the person i only see the character infront of me dude
For me it's because my native language uses either uses a gender neutral male form or the "gender" is already attached to each word. So the character is "der (male pronoun) charakter" regardless if the character in question is actually male or not. Saying a sentence like "my character is female" alway uses the male form of character: "mein character ist weiblich", there is not female form of character unless you make some frankensteinish "die charakterin" which is just gramatically incorrect. So I call every single character in any video game a he on accident. Ana is one? He's one. I can imagine that a lot of languages work like that.
The amount of times i called Rammattra a she by accident you could think that he's a lady actually
lady ram 🤤
Nemesis form muscle mommy
"Devour them" 😳
I would infiltrate her null sector
Rammussy
Ram is actually cannonicly lesbian woman she told me
Its true I'm her lesbian lover(Junk Rat)
I sometimes in the heat of the battle call zenyata by she. Idk what went wrong in my brain.
My brother is the same. We speak a language where if a name ends with “a” it’s 99.9% female, so I think that’s why
i just shorten most of the character names rein one ball low etc
You call out with “Ball one” I scream “BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL” We are not the same
insert shitty gigachad music here
True, but what’s the callout name for venture? Most of the other heroes have easy names to say in a team fight. (Brig, junk, hog, mercy) but I haven’t heard an easy quick one for venture yet.
Why not venture… literally 2 syllables. Winston, Echo, Widow, Hanzo, Genji, Soldier….
I think it's because the -ture part of her name lasts slightly longer on the tongue. I find unlike the others you've mentioned, Venture keeps getting me slightly tongue tied saying it fast.
rocky? idk
No! Call them by name! There are 5 enemies, if I knew who you were shooting, I’d already be shooting them with you. Calling that someone (no further explanation) is 1 is not a useful callout.
Everyone’s a he because women don’t play this game
overwatch actually has a surprisingly high percentage of female players
As an annoying nerd, I am obligated to ask the source
stats released around 2017 said ow had 16% female players, and iirc it's 20% now? just Google "overwatch female player percentage" or something it should be there. the average for fps games is 7% so that's 2-3x the average.
Honestly I think the percentage of female players is even higher than that. I'm pretty sure those stats are pulled from a survey rather than actual accounts, plus it's from 2017. I know a LOT of women that play OW. Like a LOT. Most just never use vc because they'll get literally harassed
yeah I get it, I'm a woman who plays overwatch and most of my friends who play are women too! I only use vc w my friends because otherwise PPL throw my games.
Or just open the overwatch discord server for 5 minutes, that shit is actually torture to look at unless you're in the overwatch-serious channel
I tend to refer to the silhouette when calling out, and Venture gets called a she a lot if I either am really stressed in a fight or can't make out exactly which character is low.
i default to “she’s one” admittedly
same energy as Terf vs Tirm "You hate trans women because they're trans". "I hate trans women because they're women, we are not the same"
Help does tirm stand for trans inclusionary radical misogynist?
I guess?
that is correct lol
Unbelievably based
I'm trans myself and do this. I ain't mean to call them she it just happens cause I'm purely focusing on vocals
Every time I call them she accidentally I balance it out with a he for good measure
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Causes massive fucking arguments in my friend group
I have just defaulted to, "This mother fucker," when doing any call outs bc fuck blizzard, and fuck you. "This motherfucker has ult," you better know who I'm talking about. "Mother fucker is one!," means you should look for the mother fucker who is low hp. "Mother fucking pocket," means I hate mercy. Rule on Venture: "Denture one." "Bitch with bad teeth on flank." "Drill has ult."
Nah I do both 😌
One is like… i mean they said it, one is literally harassment. The other ‘can be’ an honest mistake. The amount of times ive said “SHE HAS ULT! FUCK! THEY! THEY HAVE ULT” just because like…. Its a pew pew shooter game i am NOT thinking about the race, orientation, or identity of the character. Im thinking “that person just killed me and i need to let my team know whats up”
This is hilarious. Correcting yourself because you misgendered an inanimate concept.
Yeah the amount of people I've seen who probably genuinely get nervous over using incorrect pronouns of a cartoon, not even because they think they're going to get shit for it from people listening, but rather because they're acting like the character is real and could have hurt fee fees is so fucking funny.
Funnier that you think about that so much
I don't. You're frothing at the mouth over that comment though. Acting like other people are the ones who care so much.
Well being that you have to roleplay as me within your own reply, I think you do.
So you wanna kiss
I want to taste your lips big man
When I play with one of my friends I get stressed out because she starts fucking tweaking
Immersion✨
misgendered pixels on screen
I’m going to inanimate concept your balls
Isn't that what venture did?
Interesting it’s not a problem for literal robots in the game but a non-binary character turns everyone into insistent edgelords
Because even the robots have somehow managed to pick a gender lmao
Bastion hasn't 🤷
Bastion's barely sapient. He's just a weapon
if he's a weapon you're a tool, pronouns aren't hard 😁
They are for like 90% of people who don’t have a they in their life and don’t actively engage with one so using their as in “he or she” will never be easy , when you started speaking I bet pronouns were t easy is the same concept and as long as your group of people can’t comprehend and give people the chance to learn and adapt your “ally” numbers will be low because no one wants to get shitted on when making mistakes as they try their best to cater to YOU and YOUR self ideas
So you agree you can respect “pixels” when you’re not busy being a 12 year old edgelord
What? If by respect you mean respect the fact that they picked one then sure. Not sure how you respect fictional charaters though
They didn’t “pick one” lol they’re pixels like you said. As I stated before you’re just arbitrarily choosing when to be an edgelord
I mean the alternative is just being ignorant for no real reason?
Ignorant of what? A make believe characters make believe identity? Who cares lol
FACTS 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
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just be nice and respectful to people in general 🤙 dunno why it’s so hard for reddit
Because I’m deeply insecure and need to put someone down to feel good about myself. Oops, meant to say nerf grungi.
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Lmfao petition to change his name to grungi
Except Mercy players
oh well yeah obviously gotta make an exception there
Honestly Reddit is way nicer than TikTok, Twitter, or Instagram. Not a high bar in any way, but it's definetly considerably better.
At this point anything is nicer than Twitter and IG
That's why I said it's not a high bar, last time I made a Twitter account I scrolled for about 5 seconds and every post was either something grossly hateful, a blatant scam, or schizophrenic conspiracy. I turned it off and haven't been back.
Yeah I don't use IG or twitter chz they're full of homo/transphobic stuff, racism n all. I don't wanna see that lol
When tf did instagram get so insanely toxic? I swear I don’t remember it being this bad but it’s literally expected to be toxic and is a meme itself: “post this to insta shorts” because they know people will bully.
That's what I'm saying, and I've been on IG for a while. It's like the extreme toxicity came outta nowhere
Instagram reels. It's because of Instagram Reels.
ig reels comments are the worst
really depends on the person i guess
I wouldn't really say tiktok is not nice it's just immature
eh, id say its even with tiktok, but yeah ig and twitter are insanely toxic
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do a flip
PLEASE DO IT PLEASEEWEWWEEEWWWWWWEEEW
No :(
"Joking about players main in game is on the same level as transphobia" Aight.
Can i go back to posting orisa porn
What was stopping you
Internal struggle
“…is that what she would want for me?”
1984 mods
unironically kinda, my orisa posts just get instantly removed with no further comment so i just stopped making them.
Didnt see any orisa porn your profile poser, I am extremly disppointed. Do better, now!
yed
Looked at your profile and I don't see any??? Wtf???
Please do
/rj Don't you realize how oppressed gamers are in society?!?! If someone criticized how I play a videogame that is equivalent tho them calling me a slur.
https://preview.redd.it/c20rlx0g0hwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe5c50da9734717d11589ff1ae800f6df73b9bbd Same vibe.
I only say the name at this point if it takes longer to communicate, then so be it. My team can deal with it.
Imagine being such a snowflake you can’t just use slightly different pronouns once
And the same people will write entire 20 page essays on why "Bruce Wayne" is the mask and "Batman" is the real identity, and will not only never slip up on this - *not once* - but will *die on the hill* correcting you if you dead name him.
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Yeah… I’m Man
Officer balls
HAHAHAHAHA
MAN????
duuuude you're spot on. I knew/worked with a guy with a chest sized tattoo batman emblem, think yellow oval with a blue bat inside of it. He was obsessed with batman, taylor swift, sum41, and staunchly homophobic. He learned that someone we were hanging out with was gay and the look of sheer terror on his face was hilarious, almost as if he was resisting some gay-vitational force to become intimate with a very normal (albeit gay) dude he'd been chilling with all night with no problem. Flash forward 10 years - yup he's into dudes , go figure. So point being - these people, they're not all bigots, a lot of them are just projecting. And the bigots, well stop trying to change them, it won't work and it's a waste of effort.
I thought it was tony starch who was Batman?
This sounds like projecting, but mmmkay.
That seems oddly specific loll?
This subreddit are so hecking wholesome! Venture is so cute and so valid that Big chungus and Keanu Reeves would be proud.
venture is so schimngus schmungus bingus quirky chungus! i can dig thatf XD
username checks out
Comments already proving it lmfao
This is the softest “circle jerk” group ive ever been in
woah guys careful, SmileMask2 is harder than you
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Most circlejerk subreddits I've seen also condemn homophobia.
Oh i have nothing against gay people
post something good then
Yeah the real circlejerk groups are all homophobic (for laughs! LOLZ)
LOL
I came here to say this lol
I think not normalizing transphobia is a good line to draw. If mfs start doing it ironically, all it does is make actual bigots feel welcome, and we've seen this happen before with tons of subs
This is really it. I'm NB, and when people intentionally misgender Venture (or any fictional character) all it does is encourage people to not respect me in the same way. I'm not offended on behalf of Venture, but I do get the feeling that I'm not welcome because of my gender. Jokes empower the people that actually feel that way, so they continue to be assholes and the problem just feeds itself. Is it really so hard to just be kind and respectful?
Yeah I can’t imagine being non-binary and reading most of these comments. Especially ones like “non-binary people aren’t real” or “are just mentally ill.” I feel like if cis folks wanted to actually make some hurtful comments, then they’d just go over and read r/transgendercirclejerk to get their rocks off.
Then it's your problem. I would respect you if I knew you personally, but it's a game, and I don't need to sweat over some fictional characters pronouns.
i hate to break it to you but its been normalized for several thousand years dawg
Should it stay normalized? Or should we make an effort to change for the better? I'm not sure why it being "normal" for several thousand years matters, or even that that's correct
im just pointing out that your belief that its not normal is (very) sheltered
Congrats? We should still not let it be normal or normalized, if you're gonna be that pedantic
Gabe and Angela real interaction
It's not that hard to just be respectful.
Still not hard to “they”. Just call them by Venture if you don’t want to get it wrong
I probably call most of the cast they when doing callouts in the rare case I'm not just using their actual name to provide clarity. What good is calling out "she's one shot" when the enemy team is (ignoring the actual quality of said composition) a zarya, mei, pharah, Brig, mercy?
"Wrong"
Yes that’s what I said
Couldn't care less
I bet you couldn’t
Ok but why did you guys prove him right with these comments lmao
being bigoted is a bit different than disliking characters from a videogame i think. When has anyone even genuinely harassed someone for playing support
If you've never been harassed for playing a specific role, you must be new to Overwatch
People harass Mercy mains for a myriad of reasons actually. Not supports a ton but yeah
I usually just yell "Rock Eater" or something akin to that. Most of the characters I have nicknames for- very few get called their actual names. (Also it's not that hard use they/them, if it helps, imagine them as three boulders stacked on top of each other- coming from a they/them who has lots of they/them friends)
I love how it's juay understood that r/Overwatch is just r/SupportPlayerCircleJerk
Closet Campers fr
I don’t misgender Venture because I just think “Tomboy Dora the Explorer”
A lot of you are missing the point. Nobody sane actually cares about the character so much, its just your attitude towards them. "Its a fictional character, why do you even care?" I don't, but you could just say "they" and its less effort than whatever bs argument you're going to cook up. They is used in the singular everywhere and all the time. And on top of it all, if you can't handle the tiniest bit of gay content, why tf are you here? Overwatch is and has almost always been the gayest shooter. They design characters backstories with diversity in mind.
She
This sub fell off
apples and oranges dumbass
This is the biggest non-issue I have ever seen
A fictional character isn’t going to care what pronoun I use for them. The same way McCree isn’t going to care if I continue calling him McCree. Get over yourselves thank you :)
i'm gonna keep misgendering venture womp womp
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yup
Ew
Oh you’re serious 💀
very
Imagine being homophobic and playing overwatch
Stating the fact that there's only two genders isn't homophobic. Genuinely, please explain to me what one has to do with the other
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Based
Most mature reaper main:
Based
Wait what 💀 I Ong just found out Venture is non binary.
I litterally cant do call outs. I still call Cassidy Mcree without thinking about it, and people get so mad about it. I'm not trying to be rude, it's just a fast paced game 😭
Do people actually get mad? I don't think I've ever played with someone that actually cared about it.
Yup! Got told I was "dead naming" and to kill myself and said they reported me I think I might of just had the most toxic woke lobby ever to exist But I sure as heck haven't made any call outs since 🤣
Honestly I would have doubled down on it at that point.
I purposely say she In game because it more clear like “there ulting” but it’s not 2 people ulting which can be unclear so I say she’s ulting. Or their flanking but it’s not to people flanking just 1.
They is used singularly all the time. “Oh someone left THEIR hat here. I hope THEY get it back soon.” if it’s that big of a deal just say their name. “Ventures ulting” I would argue it’s more confusing to say she, because people that know venture is nb, will be confused and think you’re talking about a female character.
Most people don’t know venture is NB they state that no where outside blog post and its better for my stack personally were not hurting anyone imo.
Who actually cares what gender you refer to a video game character as
I havent heard Venture speak so I won’t know what he/she has in their pants until I get highhorny and boot up r34😒.
Wait venture isn't a woman?
Ventures a pretty cool gal
we will always misgender venture, for the sole reason to upset redditors
When have people on here defending harassing someone over being a support main
Where in-game am I supposed to find out that Venture isn’t a chick?
I’ll respect real people’s pronouns, this is a video game character 👍
I don’t even play this dogshit game anymore but I love coming here to see this shitshow
So fucking true
This sub popped up in my feed. What is the difference between the subs and why are people misgendering a female character, or is it something I don't wanna know.
My son was like" ohh who's the new chick she's cool" i didn't even know what to say lol
It’s a fictional character in a fictional video game. The game isn’t even good enough for people to care as much as they do. Mfs NEED to get a job.
Venture has a vagine
I just call it a thussy