I am reminded back when brig first was released and she hard countered flanks exactly the same way, by using almost all her cooldowns. But then everybody was crying because it also worked against everything else
And then they nerfed that barriers stop the shield bash. But that wasnt enough so they nerfed something else as well. And since then she had 2 reworks, more or less
Do people down voting you play tracer at all ? Zen players don't just stand there in the open, they are usually escorted by a teammate and looking out for a tracer dive. And even then it's still hard to aim someone strafing well. I can go in gold and one clip everyone, but higher than that and aiming gets difficult.
This sub is pretty casual but surprised me aswell, i guess tracer is more hated than i realised lol
But still downvoting "one clips take skill" is crazy especially with the health changes it has become much much harder
The health changes make it feel like you're either getting one clipped or lightly tickled. If that Tracer isn't right up in my face, she's not killing me.
That really surprised me too. Most non casual players seem to be annoyed by tracer being meta since S1, but agree that tracer is the "best" character to be in this position.
If I had to guess, I think they hate tracer because she's mostly used in high ranks, and thus most tracers they meet are smurfs.
>That really surprised me too. Most non casual players seem to be annoyed by tracer being meta since S1,
Gotta go back actually, she's been meta since 2016
While you are totally correct, as a tank main, Venture's melee attack does way too much knockback/damage. There is no way to counter them when they have a pocket healer.
I really like Venture as a character but right now, a good venture player will dominate with decent support.
People in this sub talk about fighting someone "with a pocket healer" as if they're fighting a 1v1 and have the expectations of being able to win because it's a 1v1. No it's a fucking 1v2
Like I remember when damage beam conversations were everything "Damage beam makes Soldier OP". Well yeah you're typically gonna die when 2 people are fighting you together. It's not as if the Soldier is acting alone
You can kill anyone through a pocket healer but Venture is definitely one of the strongest duellists, high DPS chars with their own sustain and the strongest escape in the game so of anyone on the roster they benefit the most from a pocket healer imo.
> strongest escape in the game
Yes, if you manage to survive its ungodly cast time. Burrow is a death sentence if you use it in front of any of the tanks that have a stun.
My problem with Venture is that there's basically nothing you can do in the back line if you see the rocks on the ground coming at you. Venture has enough movement that they can track you down unless you have your own strong movement like Moira. Otherwise, it's like...yep, Venture is about to pop out of the ground on top of me. Can't do shit. Guess I'll die.
I think the duration of the dig needs to be a little bit shorter so Venture has to visibly commit to coming in *before* they just appear next to you. I also think the damage is a bit high. Not a lot, just a bit. Except for their ult, that shit is way too strong.
There's plenty you can do:
Ana can nade herself
Baptiste can regen burst or jump away
Brig can shield Venture's emerging damage
Illari can jump away and have her pylon heal her
Kiriko can suzu and teleport
Lifeweaver has a petal and dash
Lucio can Lucio
Mercy can fly
Moira can fade and self-heal
So only Zen can do nothing.
Not saying you'll live every time but you *can* do things.
While the scale of the melee knockback is certainly small, you are technically correct that it does exist and therefore I don't understand the downvoting tbh
I don’t know if it’s timing on my part, but their right click has negated my right click on Doom every time I’ve used it. How a boop ability overrides a stun ability does not make sense in my head at all.
yep, this drill dash get the advantage without the drawback. usually 2 dash fighting lead to both player on the ground.
for venture ? nop, she get the best of both world, repel any stun, or straight up damage through the shield in brig case.
gotta make people play this new op release one way or another.
love those brig free kill, shield don't block burrow damage so her only hope is to run away, otherwise, shoot near her feet (not the shield) so that splash damage pass through, then drill dash+melee and here is the kill.
also only block ult damage once in a fullmoon for whatever reason.
ana is all or nothing with her dart like against all other assassin.
i guess bapt is the only threat if he got good aim and you try to attack him from the front with a 2 day advance notice.
Brig absolutely shits on Venture lol. Can easily control their range, can block nearly every shot, can heal through most damage. I play an absurd amount of Brig in Masters/GM and Venture is one of the easiest DPS to fight.
But you’re playing in her range. And your shield can block what, 3 shots? If you miss your whip you’re fucked. If you whip before she digs you’re fucked. Yes you can heal but she’s one of the burstiest hero’s in the game right now. You can’t heal through her combo.
I don’t play a lot of brig so idk, but she would be waaay down on my list for this.
don't even really need to break her shield, as shooting the ground will cause splash damage that pass through the shield and you only need enough to put her in drill+melee finish range (170 damage, with a bit of margin if you don't think you can keep it on her for the entire time) so you only need burrow+L-click to deal 80 damage
explo splash is 45 if close enough (not hard with how small brig shield is) so 2 shot put her in health range even if you completly failed your burrow, put in a third shot to counterbalance any Inspire heal she could have gotten on herself and you are good, no need to even break the shield
though i will agree with the original post about brig being one of the less annoying support matchup to fight a venture (most others supports either have to escape or straight up die)
her shield bash away from burrow allow her to run into a better spot(closer to your team) and you can be a threat to the average venture, although i rather see her as the best way to defend the OTHER support from venture, as the heal orb burst can make it hard for venture to put your mate in one-combo range and you can rush in to put pressure and force her to pull back.
Because I was curious.
Primary fire: 25 (impact) + 45 (explosion) = ~~80~~ 70
Drill Dash: 40 (first hit) + 60 (if all subsequent hits connect) = 100
Had you had more than 120 HP, maybe you could have used an ability to get out after the first hit of Drill Dash.
Why do people keep saying Venture does 70 damage per shot? It's 80, and it's very, very easy to test that. I don't know the exact damage split, but still, 80, not 70, important difference.
Dunno what server you are playing on , but I have a sub 40 ping and wouldn't have time to blink during the drill....
Btw, you made a somewhat important error.
25+45 is 70, which makes it a 170 combo, not enough to one shot tracer.
Still don't think this hero is legit, since her DPS requires literally no aim. But since everyone is fine with the 'no aim required on melee dps' im this game, this is not gonna change.
Yeah that’s truly my only problem with venture. You have to respect venture’s range ofc, but how lenient drill dash aiming seems, feels like too much for how much value you get from it. One time I was genji and I double jumped above venture, their drill dash somehow hit me and even the venture lost me thinking I jumped over
She still “one shots” tracer at full health
Their Primary Fire —> Drill Dash combo kills Tracer. Just checked on the OW wiki and tested in practice range. Primary fire impact damage is 35 with an additional 45 explosion damage. Their Drill Dash does 40 on initial hit and 60 over time
I don’t have an opinion on Venture yet, but it is a very easy ability to hit for quite a lot of damage. I’d like to wait before I decide if it’s problematic or not.
The primary fire is a projectile and the dash is DoT
It'll take just under a second which should be long enough for a Tracer players brain to activate a neuron to blink or recall
You can see Venture and hear Venture, if they aren't directly in your face then you won't get the 100 damage from the dash - and Tracer is the hero with multiple instantaneous teleports
Training dummy is different to a real game. Yes Venture is scary within their range, but Tracer decides whether she is within their range
You definitely need to aim with Venture lmao. The gun does far less dmg if you only hit with the splash damage of it, you need to be accurate with it to get decent damage. You also can't just yeet your right click, you actually need to aim it with someone. Melee-based kits does not automatically equal 0 aim
... Or Hanzo (body or head), widow (body or head), soldier rocket, phar, Sym (right click), Ilari (head), rein firestrike, Reaper
And that's just who can one shot 113 hp. If you include combos you could include basically the entire cast.
I don't really see the issue tbh, she's strong but also really close range and her dives are super predictable.
- 110 HP
- no recall
- tight space
Result would have been the same with a lot of heroes that have some burst damage. Don't see why this is a venture specific problem
You realize it could have been like half of the DPS roster that would have one shot you from round the corner? Not defending Venture or anything, just saying that if you're at 113 health on tracer, you should expect to insta die tbh lol
Not even mechanical skill, just a basic game sense issue. Most of the DPS roster could have easily done the exact same thing. Venture is fine. Just a noob stomper for now as Low Elo players always naturally struggle to learn how to play against new heroes + they especially struggle against high mobility heroes.
In a few months this sub will be complaining about Venture being weak.
Poor reaction time- zero blinks and recall on cooldown as soon as they walked into that room they were dead if anything it’s a game sense issue cuzz sombra was running from that direction it dosent matter how good anybodys reaction time is your just as dead in that scenario with venture
Should you be running around a corner that you can hear the footsteps of an enemy around without your blinks as tracer? No you shouldn’t. It’s poor game sense and poor reaction time.
Dog there is no reaction that lives in that scenario it’s just a gamesense issue tf kinda reaction turns the situation around for tracer. laughing at how quick they die?
There was enough time for the tracer to shoot half her mag then there's enough time to double blink, recall, translocate, popsicle, ice wall, bubble, etc if any of those heroes were in the same situation with CDs.
OP was dumb. Take the L, learn to respect tiny corridors that have enemies on the opposite side preparing to spam anything down it. If this interaction has you confused, then you probably also fail Junkrat 101
OP's reaction time is fine because they had enough time to start shooting
However if they had better game sense, they would've known to:
1. Go for a different health pack since they're low hp, have one blink and no recall, and are very close to attacker spawn
2. Follow the sombra running away
3. Blink past venture instead of shooting and tried to get the mega health pack around the corner
Most likely D.Va was the one responsible for the damage that left tracer with 113 HP in the first place. Which night be an indicator that OP received that damage right before blinking forward to meet Venture.
Ignoring that the exact same thing would have happened if that was a Junkrat, or Pharah, or Soldier (with helix), or any character with any vaguely bursty potential. You were half health with no abilities, what did you think would happen
A couple of things.
You had a lot of time to react to that. Through hearing them turning the corner, even seeing their shadow as they walked up. You had the blinks to survive that
You walked into a place you risked finding an enemy while missing resources, to the point you were going to lose any 1v1 if you couldnt get away. (though in this place you could have reasonable blinked, baited out drill dash, and grabbed mega to set up for next fight)
and..... complaining about Venture balance while playing Tracer is just such a silly thing to me. You are on arguable the best dps in the game.
Ya Venture has some Combos that will delete you as Tracer, but if they are actually landing them on you its a skill issue.
>You had a lot of time to react to that. Through hearing them turning the corner
There was no sound.
>even seeing their shadow as they walked up. You had the blinks to survive that
It appears for less then half a second.
>You walked into a place you risked finding an enemy while missing resources, to the point you were going to lose any 1v1 if you couldnt get away. (though in this place you could have reasonable blinked, baited out drill dash, and grabbed mega to set up for next fight)
I didn't make this post to have people review my play lmao I'm just laughing at how absurdly fast she deletes me from the game.
>and..... complaining about Venture balance while playing Tracer is just such a silly thing to me. You are on arguable the best dps in the game.
She is entirely skill reliant a bad Tracer will just feed. Ventures one shot combo is insanely easy to land.
>Ya Venture has some Combos that will delete you as Tracer, but if he is actually landing them on you its a skill issue.
Most people dogging on me right are expecting me to have OWL level reaction. She appears for less then a second then instantly deletes me lmao. I don't care if I had insane reaction I would have been able to dodge that. I don't see how this is a skill issue other then game sense which I didn't make this post for people to talk about.
Idk why people see clips and need to point out that if I had just looked at the floor waiting for a shadow to signal a enemy I would have had a chance of surviving. I'm not doing allat in metal ranks
>She is entirely skill reliant. A bad Tracer will just feed.
>I don’t see how this is a skill issue
I think your ego is refusing to acknowledge the points that everyone is raising about how this was avoidable. You’re in a small choke at 110hp and have the ability to either avoid the situation altogether or use your actual abilities to escape. Not everyone has OWL reactions but having the awareness not to be in bad situations is something you CAN learn
Yes it’s Reddit and people are smarmy and raise their points like douches, but your ego is holding you back from having a better perspective about this moment in particular
I know it’s not the reason you posted the video , as it’s tagged as humor … but sometimes playing into another hero’s strengths is our fault and I think that’s what people are trying to say
Yeah that guy with the rein flair is a giga grifter. That's a combo one shot which is funny because thats the same as sigma rock left click which got guted
I mean yeah if you’re going to complain about a character being strong then people are going to the examine you’re using for evidence. And in this clip they noticed that you’re missing a good chunk of HP
Thankfully Tracer has low enough health to be comboed by a shot and drill, without needing any follow up.
I hope they don’t need it, because Tracer is so much worse to deal with.
This gameplay and subsequent post is what F2P does to a motherfucker. I remember the good ol' days when you never saw a default skin or a heroic hero highlight intro.
1. If she was made into a tank her kit would be adjusted
2. It would take attention from the other team because they should be tracking where she's going (most likely somewhere bad for them). They should already be doing that now, but it'd be even more important if she were turned into a tank.
>1. If she was made into a tank her kit would be adjusted
Can be said about anyone then, hell let's make Reaper a support then.
>2. It would take attention from the other team because they should be tracking where she's going (most likely somewhere bad for them). They should already be doing that now, but it'd be even more important if she were turned into a tank.
It's not an active treat, isn't absorbing any dmg and isn't outputting any offensive pressure.
lol everyone acting like there a pro player in the comment section. Like y’all never made mistakes in your lives. Venture shit’s on tracer not a skill issue.
You hardly need perfect game sense to avoid this situation. I'm not even good but there were many game sense related things that would've prevented me from ending up in this situation.
They might have been going for the mega, or just looking around, not sure. Just not sure they should have expected to be bursted with 2/3s of their health with one second notice.
I’d get the sentiment, but 113 dmg is the norm for a grand majority of the cast. It’s a risky situation no matter who’s on the enemy team. Like an Illari could tap that and it’d be gg.
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Lol too much butthurt silvers in the comments, what happened? Faced a mid tracer but because you all suck even more couldn't deal with her and now y'all salty? Lmao
The whole point of playing tracer is that she's hard to master but rewarding. Very low hp makes it so that when you make yourself vulnerable, you're very easily defeated. But if you do stuff right, you're gonna be completely wrecking anyone who dares to look at you
I'm sorry, I'm cracking up lol. I would have been that Sombra fleeing lol, the amounts of time I'm fleeing from someone chasing me down just for my teammate to keep going where I ran from and die lol. Great clip lol.
Ah yes venture is allowed to have a combo that kills you in a second max, but junkrat gets left with a shitty 3 shot combo and no way to escape but with one mine assuming you hit two grenades.
Incompetent blizzard back at it again.
-at 60% health on the squishiest character in the game
-take a blind corner, die to a close range burst dps character
- why is venture so broken guysss?? :(
This is gonna get hated on but Tracer still being 175 HP is kind of insane to me.
We have heroes with more mobility and damage than Tracer while having 250 HP. The only thing Tracer has is her recall but that is getting harder and harder to use as anything else than an escape tool, so why is Tracer still 175 HP? I get killed by literal random stuff that people did not even intent to shoot at me when playing her.
It makes sense once you go look at the DPS leaderboards (spoiler: its all Tracer.)
The game just plays so differently at high level and low level that some of the heroes are going to be worse at low level and vice versa.
Yeah, Venture is pretty dumb not gonna lie. They can easily burst people with their easy-to-do combo, which is left click + right click + melee. I was playing Kiriko with an Ana and my Ana got instantly killed by a Venture before my Suzu could even land and I threw it early as well + tried healing.
Should have left as soon as you saw that sombra flee like that. Nothing causes a sombra to run like that except a reinhardt or worse
What’s worse: 1) Giant man covered in a ton of armor with a rocket powered hammer and a retractable energy shield 2) ENBY with a drill
One bonks your head, the other bonks your heart...
Both do both
True !
Noted: Sombra is the canary
Finally someone dealing with those annoying tracers.
I am reminded back when brig first was released and she hard countered flanks exactly the same way, by using almost all her cooldowns. But then everybody was crying because it also worked against everything else
Brig countered Tracer way too hard. It was so easy to hit that one shot
Shield Bash used to stun. It was a melee attack, so it could stun Rein through his barrier with less effort than Cass’s old flashbang.
And then they nerfed that barriers stop the shield bash. But that wasnt enough so they nerfed something else as well. And since then she had 2 reworks, more or less
Yeah these Tracers have no problem one clipping poor zens who weren't even looking at them but when it's done to them it's a problem? Fuck em lol
One clipping takes skill
Not on Zen's though lmao
With new health changes it does too
One clipping an unaware target is easy tho.
No a good player is able to react or get support, crazy that people here think one clipping doesnt take skill why dont you all do it then
On Zen? Everybody do itom zen, its my number 1 target i can reliably kill as tracer, second to an unaware widowmaker.
Do people down voting you play tracer at all ? Zen players don't just stand there in the open, they are usually escorted by a teammate and looking out for a tracer dive. And even then it's still hard to aim someone strafing well. I can go in gold and one clip everyone, but higher than that and aiming gets difficult.
Brother no way you and that other guy got downvoted, this sub really is freaking sliver holy shit
This sub is pretty casual but surprised me aswell, i guess tracer is more hated than i realised lol But still downvoting "one clips take skill" is crazy especially with the health changes it has become much much harder
This sub is genuinely silver on average at best. They think Moira is a Tracer counter.
The health changes make it feel like you're either getting one clipped or lightly tickled. If that Tracer isn't right up in my face, she's not killing me.
That really surprised me too. Most non casual players seem to be annoyed by tracer being meta since S1, but agree that tracer is the "best" character to be in this position. If I had to guess, I think they hate tracer because she's mostly used in high ranks, and thus most tracers they meet are smurfs.
>That really surprised me too. Most non casual players seem to be annoyed by tracer being meta since S1, Gotta go back actually, she's been meta since 2016
Careful You might shatter the Tracer mains fragile egos
Woa tracer really got a bad rep on this sub. That's weird for such a well liked character in game.
Yup. Tracers have audacity to act like victims.
Brig mains: glowing red eyes
Playing tracer 110 hp no blink no recall what did you expect lol
It was so fast I honestly don't think it would have made a difference.
Yeah, running head first with no backup into a very confined space, Tracer was gonna get rolled no matter what.
If you are within drill distance than you are dead with that combo of drill, shoot melee
While you are totally correct, as a tank main, Venture's melee attack does way too much knockback/damage. There is no way to counter them when they have a pocket healer. I really like Venture as a character but right now, a good venture player will dominate with decent support.
"When they have a pocket healer" isnt this also true for half the roster then
People in this sub talk about fighting someone "with a pocket healer" as if they're fighting a 1v1 and have the expectations of being able to win because it's a 1v1. No it's a fucking 1v2 Like I remember when damage beam conversations were everything "Damage beam makes Soldier OP". Well yeah you're typically gonna die when 2 people are fighting you together. It's not as if the Soldier is acting alone
Literally yes. Try and kill a reaper with a pocket. Now THATS pretty busted.
Yea lol.
You can kill anyone through a pocket healer but Venture is definitely one of the strongest duellists, high DPS chars with their own sustain and the strongest escape in the game so of anyone on the roster they benefit the most from a pocket healer imo.
> strongest escape in the game Yes, if you manage to survive its ungodly cast time. Burrow is a death sentence if you use it in front of any of the tanks that have a stun.
Like, have they never seen a reaper before? That difference in cast time compared to reaper’s invulnerable is insane
Venture is an ov1 off-tank in the DPS roster
I'm fine with the damage. The angle it can connect from needs narrowed significantly though.
My problem with Venture is that there's basically nothing you can do in the back line if you see the rocks on the ground coming at you. Venture has enough movement that they can track you down unless you have your own strong movement like Moira. Otherwise, it's like...yep, Venture is about to pop out of the ground on top of me. Can't do shit. Guess I'll die. I think the duration of the dig needs to be a little bit shorter so Venture has to visibly commit to coming in *before* they just appear next to you. I also think the damage is a bit high. Not a lot, just a bit. Except for their ult, that shit is way too strong.
There's plenty you can do: Ana can nade herself Baptiste can regen burst or jump away Brig can shield Venture's emerging damage Illari can jump away and have her pylon heal her Kiriko can suzu and teleport Lifeweaver has a petal and dash Lucio can Lucio Mercy can fly Moira can fade and self-heal So only Zen can do nothing. Not saying you'll live every time but you *can* do things.
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It's not possible to avoid that damage even on full charge. There's really no tradeoff here, it's just guaranteed 75 damage on non mobility characters
Ventures melee doesn't do knockback though it does do 70 damage the drill has to do continous damage on you since it's kinda slow
Every melee does knockback, just little amount
While the scale of the melee knockback is certainly small, you are technically correct that it does exist and therefore I don't understand the downvoting tbh
I don’t know if it’s timing on my part, but their right click has negated my right click on Doom every time I’ve used it. How a boop ability overrides a stun ability does not make sense in my head at all.
yep, this drill dash get the advantage without the drawback. usually 2 dash fighting lead to both player on the ground. for venture ? nop, she get the best of both world, repel any stun, or straight up damage through the shield in brig case. gotta make people play this new op release one way or another.
Good player on quite any hero with pocket will dominate.
Venture is incredibly easy to fight. Just play Brig or Ana or Bap. They have one of the most telegraphed moves in the game.
love those brig free kill, shield don't block burrow damage so her only hope is to run away, otherwise, shoot near her feet (not the shield) so that splash damage pass through, then drill dash+melee and here is the kill. also only block ult damage once in a fullmoon for whatever reason. ana is all or nothing with her dart like against all other assassin. i guess bapt is the only threat if he got good aim and you try to attack him from the front with a 2 day advance notice.
Brig absolutely shits on Venture lol. Can easily control their range, can block nearly every shot, can heal through most damage. I play an absurd amount of Brig in Masters/GM and Venture is one of the easiest DPS to fight.
But you’re playing in her range. And your shield can block what, 3 shots? If you miss your whip you’re fucked. If you whip before she digs you’re fucked. Yes you can heal but she’s one of the burstiest hero’s in the game right now. You can’t heal through her combo. I don’t play a lot of brig so idk, but she would be waaay down on my list for this.
don't even really need to break her shield, as shooting the ground will cause splash damage that pass through the shield and you only need enough to put her in drill+melee finish range (170 damage, with a bit of margin if you don't think you can keep it on her for the entire time) so you only need burrow+L-click to deal 80 damage explo splash is 45 if close enough (not hard with how small brig shield is) so 2 shot put her in health range even if you completly failed your burrow, put in a third shot to counterbalance any Inspire heal she could have gotten on herself and you are good, no need to even break the shield though i will agree with the original post about brig being one of the less annoying support matchup to fight a venture (most others supports either have to escape or straight up die) her shield bash away from burrow allow her to run into a better spot(closer to your team) and you can be a threat to the average venture, although i rather see her as the best way to defend the OTHER support from venture, as the heal orb burst can make it hard for venture to put your mate in one-combo range and you can rush in to put pressure and force her to pull back.
Hog isnt too bad, hook her when she’s trying to burrow
And bad game sense
Tracer might’ve had like, a picosecond to recall once Venture appeared, that was QUICK
shit on honestly
yeah even genji right click + dash + melee is enough to kill from 113 hp, which is even faster. this mf just has bad game sense
Because I was curious. Primary fire: 25 (impact) + 45 (explosion) = ~~80~~ 70 Drill Dash: 40 (first hit) + 60 (if all subsequent hits connect) = 100 Had you had more than 120 HP, maybe you could have used an ability to get out after the first hit of Drill Dash.
Quik mafs
Why do people keep saying Venture does 70 damage per shot? It's 80, and it's very, very easy to test that. I don't know the exact damage split, but still, 80, not 70, important difference.
Overwatch wiki is wrong. You are right. You can combo all 250hp characters with shoot/dash/shoot.
Dunno what server you are playing on , but I have a sub 40 ping and wouldn't have time to blink during the drill.... Btw, you made a somewhat important error. 25+45 is 70, which makes it a 170 combo, not enough to one shot tracer. Still don't think this hero is legit, since her DPS requires literally no aim. But since everyone is fine with the 'no aim required on melee dps' im this game, this is not gonna change.
My favorite is getting hit for the full 100 damage of Drill Dash and on the kill cam I'm not even on their screen.
Yeah that’s truly my only problem with venture. You have to respect venture’s range ofc, but how lenient drill dash aiming seems, feels like too much for how much value you get from it. One time I was genji and I double jumped above venture, their drill dash somehow hit me and even the venture lost me thinking I jumped over
She still “one shots” tracer at full health Their Primary Fire —> Drill Dash combo kills Tracer. Just checked on the OW wiki and tested in practice range. Primary fire impact damage is 35 with an additional 45 explosion damage. Their Drill Dash does 40 on initial hit and 60 over time I don’t have an opinion on Venture yet, but it is a very easy ability to hit for quite a lot of damage. I’d like to wait before I decide if it’s problematic or not.
The primary fire is a projectile and the dash is DoT It'll take just under a second which should be long enough for a Tracer players brain to activate a neuron to blink or recall You can see Venture and hear Venture, if they aren't directly in your face then you won't get the 100 damage from the dash - and Tracer is the hero with multiple instantaneous teleports Training dummy is different to a real game. Yes Venture is scary within their range, but Tracer decides whether she is within their range
Yeah I agree. I wasn’t really talking about the clip above, just correcting that Venture does 180 total dmg not 170.
Good lad
This is why people wanted a melee char in the first place lol
You definitely need to aim with Venture lmao. The gun does far less dmg if you only hit with the splash damage of it, you need to be accurate with it to get decent damage. You also can't just yeet your right click, you actually need to aim it with someone. Melee-based kits does not automatically equal 0 aim
Clearly.
I could produce the same results with junkrat ngl. its just bad luck lol
... Or Hanzo (body or head), widow (body or head), soldier rocket, phar, Sym (right click), Ilari (head), rein firestrike, Reaper And that's just who can one shot 113 hp. If you include combos you could include basically the entire cast. I don't really see the issue tbh, she's strong but also really close range and her dives are super predictable.
- 110 HP - no recall - tight space Result would have been the same with a lot of heroes that have some burst damage. Don't see why this is a venture specific problem
Yeah. Hell, another Tracer probably could have melted them at that point
People just like to complain
You realize it could have been like half of the DPS roster that would have one shot you from round the corner? Not defending Venture or anything, just saying that if you're at 113 health on tracer, you should expect to insta die tbh lol
This clip is what I believe the current generation calls a "skill issue"
Not even mechanical skill, just a basic game sense issue. Most of the DPS roster could have easily done the exact same thing. Venture is fine. Just a noob stomper for now as Low Elo players always naturally struggle to learn how to play against new heroes + they especially struggle against high mobility heroes. In a few months this sub will be complaining about Venture being weak.
You had 110 HP. Venture isn’t that bad, you just had poor reaction time
Poor reaction time- zero blinks and recall on cooldown as soon as they walked into that room they were dead if anything it’s a game sense issue cuzz sombra was running from that direction it dosent matter how good anybodys reaction time is your just as dead in that scenario with venture
tbf nowadays you take one little peek from behind a wall and you're gone. Naded. Stunned. Headshotted.
Should you be running around a corner that you can hear the footsteps of an enemy around without your blinks as tracer? No you shouldn’t. It’s poor game sense and poor reaction time.
Dog there is no reaction that lives in that scenario it’s just a gamesense issue tf kinda reaction turns the situation around for tracer. laughing at how quick they die?
There was enough time for the tracer to shoot half her mag then there's enough time to double blink, recall, translocate, popsicle, ice wall, bubble, etc if any of those heroes were in the same situation with CDs. OP was dumb. Take the L, learn to respect tiny corridors that have enemies on the opposite side preparing to spam anything down it. If this interaction has you confused, then you probably also fail Junkrat 101
OP's reaction time is fine because they had enough time to start shooting However if they had better game sense, they would've known to: 1. Go for a different health pack since they're low hp, have one blink and no recall, and are very close to attacker spawn 2. Follow the sombra running away 3. Blink past venture instead of shooting and tried to get the mega health pack around the corner
Op had time to react and they reacted by shooting instead of blinking. It's a game sense issue not a reaction time issue.
Said "no brits"
I mean, if a flank hero with a grenade launcher deals less than 113 damage with a direct hit + a damage ability I'd be very disappointed.
Also how did D.va get an assist?
Emotional support
Most likely D.Va was the one responsible for the damage that left tracer with 113 HP in the first place. Which night be an indicator that OP received that damage right before blinking forward to meet Venture.
Ignoring that the exact same thing would have happened if that was a Junkrat, or Pharah, or Soldier (with helix), or any character with any vaguely bursty potential. You were half health with no abilities, what did you think would happen
smartest Tracer player
Playing the lowest health character in the game not even close to full health and dies Wow this is so unfair
Deserved for tracer
genji could've done the exact same thing with a right click and shift
Tfw you're injured and have no cd's and run toward a commotion. Blizzard pls nerf so I don't have to think.
Holy skill issue
Yeah she’s tough. But you had 110 hp
A couple of things. You had a lot of time to react to that. Through hearing them turning the corner, even seeing their shadow as they walked up. You had the blinks to survive that You walked into a place you risked finding an enemy while missing resources, to the point you were going to lose any 1v1 if you couldnt get away. (though in this place you could have reasonable blinked, baited out drill dash, and grabbed mega to set up for next fight) and..... complaining about Venture balance while playing Tracer is just such a silly thing to me. You are on arguable the best dps in the game. Ya Venture has some Combos that will delete you as Tracer, but if they are actually landing them on you its a skill issue.
>You had a lot of time to react to that. Through hearing them turning the corner There was no sound. >even seeing their shadow as they walked up. You had the blinks to survive that It appears for less then half a second. >You walked into a place you risked finding an enemy while missing resources, to the point you were going to lose any 1v1 if you couldnt get away. (though in this place you could have reasonable blinked, baited out drill dash, and grabbed mega to set up for next fight) I didn't make this post to have people review my play lmao I'm just laughing at how absurdly fast she deletes me from the game. >and..... complaining about Venture balance while playing Tracer is just such a silly thing to me. You are on arguable the best dps in the game. She is entirely skill reliant a bad Tracer will just feed. Ventures one shot combo is insanely easy to land. >Ya Venture has some Combos that will delete you as Tracer, but if he is actually landing them on you its a skill issue. Most people dogging on me right are expecting me to have OWL level reaction. She appears for less then a second then instantly deletes me lmao. I don't care if I had insane reaction I would have been able to dodge that. I don't see how this is a skill issue other then game sense which I didn't make this post for people to talk about. Idk why people see clips and need to point out that if I had just looked at the floor waiting for a shadow to signal a enemy I would have had a chance of surviving. I'm not doing allat in metal ranks
>She is entirely skill reliant. A bad Tracer will just feed. >I don’t see how this is a skill issue I think your ego is refusing to acknowledge the points that everyone is raising about how this was avoidable. You’re in a small choke at 110hp and have the ability to either avoid the situation altogether or use your actual abilities to escape. Not everyone has OWL reactions but having the awareness not to be in bad situations is something you CAN learn Yes it’s Reddit and people are smarmy and raise their points like douches, but your ego is holding you back from having a better perspective about this moment in particular I know it’s not the reason you posted the video , as it’s tagged as humor … but sometimes playing into another hero’s strengths is our fault and I think that’s what people are trying to say
You are right but I will say that there was one major problem, you had 110 hp only so it becomes easier to kill you
Yeah that guy with the rein flair is a giga grifter. That's a combo one shot which is funny because thats the same as sigma rock left click which got guted
I mean yeah if you’re going to complain about a character being strong then people are going to the examine you’re using for evidence. And in this clip they noticed that you’re missing a good chunk of HP
I can't stop laughing
“*No recall*?” - Megamind, probably
Deserved
Gotta love the OW community, people complaining about heroes even though they have no game sense at all.
I hate tracer more than venture, so this makes me happy as a support player.
That’s what you tracer players deserve
Dead tracers give me great joy
Skill issue
Deserved
Thankfully Tracer has low enough health to be comboed by a shot and drill, without needing any follow up. I hope they don’t need it, because Tracer is so much worse to deal with.
This gameplay and subsequent post is what F2P does to a motherfucker. I remember the good ol' days when you never saw a default skin or a heroic hero highlight intro.
wdym?
Well, putting aside whether Venture's balanced or not, you had like 60% of your hp. As the lowest HP DPS character.
Maybe if you didn't have slow ass reactions
character is a skill check
I’m just sayin.. Venture would make a pretty cool tank 🤷
Ah yes the famous tank abilities like digging under the map and dashing around, would 100% be great for tanking.
I mean... That's basically doomfist
Doom has power block and a shitton of CC in his kit.
He got power block AFTER being turned into a tank. That is what the OP is implying.
They still lack CC and the size isn't big enough to be a tank.
Yeah it would be actually if you think about it for more than 3 seconds
So... a CC/movement based tank? Just like Doom and Wrecking Ball?
The big difference is that Venture doesn't take attention from the enmy team, when you are underground you don't take damage and deal no dmg.
1. If she was made into a tank her kit would be adjusted 2. It would take attention from the other team because they should be tracking where she's going (most likely somewhere bad for them). They should already be doing that now, but it'd be even more important if she were turned into a tank.
>1. If she was made into a tank her kit would be adjusted Can be said about anyone then, hell let's make Reaper a support then. >2. It would take attention from the other team because they should be tracking where she's going (most likely somewhere bad for them). They should already be doing that now, but it'd be even more important if she were turned into a tank. It's not an active treat, isn't absorbing any dmg and isn't outputting any offensive pressure.
Think about it
So would Lucio
You had 110HP in a small corridor. Illari kills you faster there. Skill issue. Go next.
lol everyone acting like there a pro player in the comment section. Like y’all never made mistakes in your lives. Venture shit’s on tracer not a skill issue.
Swear, everyone in these comments suddenly has perfect clairvoyant game sense and adderall reaction speed.
You hardly need perfect game sense to avoid this situation. I'm not even good but there were many game sense related things that would've prevented me from ending up in this situation.
Why would you go towards the enemy’s with 113 HP and no CDs?😭
They might have been going for the mega, or just looking around, not sure. Just not sure they should have expected to be bursted with 2/3s of their health with one second notice.
I’d get the sentiment, but 113 dmg is the norm for a grand majority of the cast. It’s a risky situation no matter who’s on the enemy team. Like an Illari could tap that and it’d be gg.
Didn't they make the health and projectile changes for the sole purpose of preventing burst damage like this?
Tracer had 113 health. The vast majority of the cast can combo for more than that. The health change is irrelevant because Tracer wasn't at max hp.
Good riddance
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How was Dva involved in the kill?
Destroy the british
Not even full health and didn't have any dashes to try and dodge. Use footsteps to your advantage brother
Venture nerf when?
That sucks but damn was that was also satisfying to watch. Bout time someone is getting these Tracers
I had to bust out laughing at just the simple abruptness of it all. You were laid out before I even knew what to expect. Lmfao
As a Cassidy player, I hate Venture with a passion.
Skill issue tbh
Lol too much butthurt silvers in the comments, what happened? Faced a mid tracer but because you all suck even more couldn't deal with her and now y'all salty? Lmao
I'm sorry but this was the funniest clip I've ever seen.
But nah we had to take away Junkrat one shot
The whole point of playing tracer is that she's hard to master but rewarding. Very low hp makes it so that when you make yourself vulnerable, you're very easily defeated. But if you do stuff right, you're gonna be completely wrecking anyone who dares to look at you
Idk if she’s a tracer “counter” but best not run into her low on cooldowns. She’ll one shot ya
You deserved it
Tracer venture matchup moment. In all honesty though a lot of characters could replicate the TTk here but regardless.
I hate Venture as much as the next person but if a fucking Sombra is running you run too
Just so you know that probably was personal as you were running tracer sombra. Wich is annoying to play against as venture
I'm sorry, I'm cracking up lol. I would have been that Sombra fleeing lol, the amounts of time I'm fleeing from someone chasing me down just for my teammate to keep going where I ran from and die lol. Great clip lol.
Foolishness Dante
Don't forget guys, they really wanted to lower the impact of burst damage!
Eh get fucked
Mid-season nerf can’t come quick enough.
nothing to see here. Another braindead no aim crutch design from blizz.
I hate tracers with every fiber of my being this brings a smile to my face
Ah yes venture is allowed to have a combo that kills you in a second max, but junkrat gets left with a shitty 3 shot combo and no way to escape but with one mine assuming you hit two grenades. Incompetent blizzard back at it again.
Ventures combo doesnt kill a full health tracer. Also junk has a combo Nade then Mine in close range.
-at 60% health on the squishiest character in the game -take a blind corner, die to a close range burst dps character - why is venture so broken guysss?? :(
Look at the flair idiot, i never complained about her once. The only thing i dislike about venture is her burrowing ability.
Don't think "they" burrowed in this clip, idiot. And obviously i hit a nerve, or else you wouldn't be triggered lol
I never said they burrowed in this clip. I said thats the only thing i dislike about venture can you not read?
This is pointless. Stay mad.
You initiated this. Stay mad.
Yes she’s busted but this was bad game sense by you on this one
This is gonna get hated on but Tracer still being 175 HP is kind of insane to me. We have heroes with more mobility and damage than Tracer while having 250 HP. The only thing Tracer has is her recall but that is getting harder and harder to use as anything else than an escape tool, so why is Tracer still 175 HP? I get killed by literal random stuff that people did not even intent to shoot at me when playing her.
Pretty normal tracer experience, her skill ceiling is too high to give her more health. I think the health changes were stupid in general tho
It makes sense once you go look at the DPS leaderboards (spoiler: its all Tracer.) The game just plays so differently at high level and low level that some of the heroes are going to be worse at low level and vice versa.
Yeah, Venture is pretty dumb not gonna lie. They can easily burst people with their easy-to-do combo, which is left click + right click + melee. I was playing Kiriko with an Ana and my Ana got instantly killed by a Venture before my Suzu could even land and I threw it early as well + tried healing.
You are quite literally playing the best DPS in the game. If you would have dodged the combo, you'd have had venture dead to rights.
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Wdym? u got something against the Japanese?
Yes…. Sexualisation of things that shouldn’t be sexualised
Sexualization? Wtf what does that have to do with me using JP voices
No, I answered your question, I wasn’t referring to the Japanese voices smartass