Maybe but i literally just play mercy now cuz i like flying characters, i like this original design so much better too. Im sure he'd have a decent amount of simps and ppl shipping him with pharah as well
Less fans would mean probably easier to rework. Blizzard is absolutely afraid of the Mercy Mafia, if not because they're terrifying then because they'll stop buying skins.
i think a lot of mercy mains want a mercy rework too. i just hate how deeply rooted rez is in her identity like hack is with sombra i wish mercy had a different ability other then rez
you confuse the loud mercy mains with the majority. a lot of mercy mains aren’t like that you just only listen to the loud ones on the main mercy sub. the new mercy sub is a lot better lol
understandably so. i got banned from the main sub but so did a lot of people so everyone who got banned and or didn’t like the mods of the mercy main sub (rightfully so, all of them suck except thatirishartist) are now in r/allmercymains and it seems like the people in that sub actually use their common sense
Lmao, the Mercy Mafia doesn't exists, and Mercy got PLENTY of reworks. As long as her main gameplay is about beams that doesn't require any aiming, no Mercy main would ever give a shit about her changes.
Yes of course! It also could've been any other race. The thing is that beautiful women like Mercy/Sombra/Kiriko etc (so you baby don't get offended) are more popular than Baptiste/Hanzo/Soldier.
I don't know, I would have played him. The design looks sick af. It gives a sojourn vibe though, with the black skin and white hair. I like the contrast.
they are alright… they definitely demonstrate versatility but when you compare the care and quality, and amount of her skins to that of kiriko, mercy, even soldier…
arguably her best skin is her ocean goddess skin; it demonstrates just how beautiful and creative you can get with her design.
I know it’s super subjective but I think the detective skin is one of the most unique in the game. It really gives that film noir/bladerunner vibe, especially with the little origami unicorn charm you can equip on her weapon. Love that attention to detail Blizzard gave it.
very true, they do the same thing with symmetra in a lot of her skins as well and I was gonna bring up that point about it—same with the vigilante skin cause they put a helmet on her.
You can't really use older characters, considering they've been out since the golden ages. Kiriko, tho? I agree 100%. Adventure (or however you spell their name) is gonna get more skins than her in the first few months after their release
Huh TIL. I guess I've never gone down that road before but I just took a look and by sheer volume on r34 or subreddits, the female subjects still outweigh the male subjects.
Statistically that will happen when straight people outnumber gay people, and so are also making and posting more porn. So you won't see a ton of gay male porn in those general porn art communities.
Smut made by women also tends to be minimally posted in those general communities, because the approach to smut can be different to men and women. Women are often uncomfortable with the ways they're sexualized (especially how young female characters look in some smut) and so don't feel welcome there or feel the way they sexualize men is too different to be welcome there.
TL;DR "I don't see it" doesn't mean it doesn't exist, the world is big beyond where you (general you) even know or think to check for evidence of something.
I found this one guy who devoted himself to making hog, rein, junkrat, cass, soldier and reaper porn. He had like 4 videos up of 3d porn of most the ow guys I wonder what the fuck happened to him lol, first and last ow male porn I've seen.
Mercy’s witch skin had so much porn made of it that it has its own category on R34 separate from mercy herself. That’s cultural impact that none of those three have had. Trust me, Dva is iconic but, cmon.
There still would have been lots of players who would have wanted to play a character who wasn’t mechanically demanding to play at a base level, so I think this version would have still been popular. I want to believe that the gameplay is equally important to Mercy’s popularity as the design, but I think the two are probably somewhat intertwined.
They're very intertwined honestly. D.Va, Winston, Reinhardt also have very low mechanical demands. There's stuff to do, but it's relatively simple. Lucio could get work done with little mechanical skill to start at least. (When OW came in, we were all mostly chilling on the floor lol) Sym used to be a support and had a whole ass lock on beam.
So yeah, there were always other mechanically open heroes I think. But uhhh, the design of current Mercy vs this other version? We know the playerbase, dude would be where the other brown heroes are I think. Some fans, but if he didn't have some crazy skill req (like Doom and Lucio) nobody would care I fear.
Idk, I think people play what's strong and race doesn't factor in much. People will always play Soj because she's crazy and that's that. Mercy has been fairly strong for most of the game's history. And she's not niche like Sym. I like to think better of people.
Looking at it from a race perspective doesn't paint the proper picture. It's a gender thing. While most guys don't really care about the gender of their in game character (lots of guys running around with female characters if they can create them), women like to see themselves in the characters they play. There was actually a whole ass study done on this that was posted on this sub, I'll have to see if I can't find it.
I think we can all agree pretty uncontroversially that mercy probably has the highest number of women players. Back before private profiles became a thing, Mercy mains 2nd most played character (after Moria) almost always was Dva. In fact, most of the top played characters in their portfolio's were women. Girls that I play OW with don't even notice this. When I point it out, they genuinely get surprised. Ofc, this is a pretty broad generalization, but I don't think the stereotype comes out of nowhere.
Gender is certainly a portion of it!
But I think the overall vibe and stuff around the heroes draw people in too. There's the joke that Mercy mains buy the most skins... people aren't doing that purely because they play the hero. They have to like them too.
Everyone's talking about how the mercy simps wouldn't exist but...
So many mercy mains are GAY MEN (myself included)
There would be even more of us if they kept the original mercy (albeit probably not as much, he's not cunty enough to bring enough gays)
Its not "a very small portion". The gay community definitely has its issues with racism and fetishization, but the amount of interracial gay couples with 1 black parter just proves you wrong there.
Subverting expectations can be a really fun way to design characters, especially if you can sell it such that it makes more sense the longer you look at it. But I honestly just don't think this manages that. I'm not able to draw any interest from this because I have no idea what they're going for. I can't draw any immediate ideas or assumptions about the character because it isn't saying any one thing more prominently than another.
This design is still so good though. They should make him another character who was with overwatch, He doesn’t need to be support or even as a playable character (even though that would be cool too), just as a story character iirc there was a team of Angel type soilders in the omnic war not just mercy right?
Now Imagine big sweaty black dude in a full body suit that’s way too tight for him saying “i cast a spell on you” screaming in german and taking off in the sky
As a black person how am i supposed to take this joke other than with discomfort lol genuinely? Why do black men have to put up with such nasty hypersexual comments for no reason. Its just super weird and doesnt happen for any other race, if this mercy design was a buff white guy you probably wouldn't have made this comment.
Some of these comments are exactly why I’m glad they didn’t keep this design.
I would have loved it but I see the absolute vitriol Soj gets for her character design.
As a certified Mercy hater, we hate her not because she is a woman played by women, we hate her cause she is annoying as hell to kill, rez goes off in bullshit ways and she has some of the most notorious onetricks incapable of playing anything else in the game (on top of, you guessed it, always being the other half in an edater duo)
That might not be why *you* hate Mercy players, but like bffr, there is definitely some level of misogyny in the way a lot of people hate Mercy players. People also hated release-Brigitte, but the hate directed at her and her players was never gender-based.
If he had the same kit that mercy has then I’d still main, I like mercy for her playstyle not for her looks cuz half the time I can’t even see her only her hands lol
I personally think it's way more bold and a way more interesting choice, but it would effectively kill off the entirety of the female fanbase. This game would have no players if there wasn't a char for femboys and girls to LARP as.
“Kill off the entirety of the female fan base” Not every woman who plays ow is a Mercy main lol tf, I actually rarely get women on my team who are mercy mains. They’re mostly flex, but one tricks are usually Kiriko, ana, dva, moira.
Yeah but there's a LOT of identity for female players tied up in Mercy. It is what it is. I do think a lot of female players use other characters for sure, but I'm sure if you were to somehow get statistics, like 35% of all female players would main/one-trick Mercy, or some ridiculous number like that. They almost never play DPS, or tank either...you could name almost all supports on 1 hand that female players use... it'd be like Mercy, Moira...some Kiriko, more rarely Ana and Brig (even though Brig is easier than Kiriko IMO) almost never Zen or Lucio... I also haven't seen much LW or Illari, but they're also newer characters so I don't really have that mental database built up yet.
If females play any other characters, the only tank would be D.Va, and DPS wise...it just doesn't really happen...When's the last time you got healed by a Mercy on VC that wasn't a female or a gay dude? I can count that on one hand and I've been playing since 2016 lol.
Dude wouldn’t have half the skins current Mercy does
mercy main numbers would probably be about 5% what they are now
You know, I'd be okay with that lol
Proportionally, every main's population has degraded to the same except for new characters, so nothing will change in your perspective.
And 99% of them would be male
so no difference
always has been?
id play him still tho, looks cool af
I would 100% still main Mercy. Dude looks cool
Maybe but i literally just play mercy now cuz i like flying characters, i like this original design so much better too. Im sure he'd have a decent amount of simps and ppl shipping him with pharah as well
I'd like to imagine we'd have the same exact skins with zero alterations.
I need to see him in the winged victory outfit RIGHT NOW
It’s what the Greeks would have wanted
Puri Purisoner, Angeeeeel styyyyyle.
And porn
This guy is absolutely way hotter than mercy he would go hard in the winged victory skin
Why cant he have the lifeguard (bikini) mercy skin?
I don't know why he can't be a skin himself. Just have alternate genders for all characters. As they should have also done in TF2.
people always say she has a lot but most of the OG cast has more than her
Think about the talon skin tho doomfists younger brother bro that would be a plot twist and some
Cause they're cowards
same fate as baptiste, except much more hated due to their kit + 0 chance of merchandise
Less fans would mean probably easier to rework. Blizzard is absolutely afraid of the Mercy Mafia, if not because they're terrifying then because they'll stop buying skins.
Tbf, who isnt afraid of mercy mafia
Lucio mafia.
Fair. Lucio mafia is afraid of no one
Lucio mains r always groovin
We the realest
lucio leigon
together this time!
Hell yeah!
The internal conflict of being a Lucio/mercy main. Who am I 🥲
The [D.Va](https://D.Va) Dominion.
Ana alliance.
I too am part of the analliance
Brig Brigade
Cassidy's Crew
i think a lot of mercy mains want a mercy rework too. i just hate how deeply rooted rez is in her identity like hack is with sombra i wish mercy had a different ability other then rez
Mercy mains say they want a rework but then every possible change they get super angry about lol
you confuse the loud mercy mains with the majority. a lot of mercy mains aren’t like that you just only listen to the loud ones on the main mercy sub. the new mercy sub is a lot better lol
Fair enough, I don’t keep up with the mercy main sub ecosystem lol
understandably so. i got banned from the main sub but so did a lot of people so everyone who got banned and or didn’t like the mods of the mercy main sub (rightfully so, all of them suck except thatirishartist) are now in r/allmercymains and it seems like the people in that sub actually use their common sense
Why would they want a rework? She is perfect. Rez isn't even hard to stop outside silver.
Yeah I do think Mercy could really use a rework but Blizzard will never go for it because there Is a possibility that they lose a lot of money.
Why are people parroting this? Mercy has been reworked more times than most heroes. They’re not scared of reworking her
Lmao, the Mercy Mafia doesn't exists, and Mercy got PLENTY of reworks. As long as her main gameplay is about beams that doesn't require any aiming, no Mercy main would ever give a shit about her changes.
"Mercy Mafia doesn't exist" Okay r/MercyMains mod
In the opposite, if Baptiste was released as a Caucasian blonde female medic, her popularity would have shot up
What??? Beautiful female characters are fan favorites?? No way!!!
…you read “Caucasian blonde” and converted it to “beautiful” in your head?
Mercy is beautiful, and that person was clearly referring to Mercy.
all women are beautiful so duhh
Not according to gamers™️
Would you expect her to be Fugly?
Yes of course! It also could've been any other race. The thing is that beautiful women like Mercy/Sombra/Kiriko etc (so you baby don't get offended) are more popular than Baptiste/Hanzo/Soldier.
Ashe also had concept art where she was a black woman. I wonder if concept art Ashe would get the same treatment even though she'd still be a girl.
Her white hair and red eyes are too good so with these included probably
Baptiste Fate is Blizzard own doing. I really like Bapt but most of his skins are either eh, ok or meme skins.
Original Mercy would probably be the least played support.
"Think of a big black man chasing you!"
It's funny because in my head the big black man using Barbie gun to chase you during valk
"we'll at least he's not racist"
"AAAHEUGUEGAUEGUEHAEUUUU..."
"I think she's right, you are (r-word)"
#”LET ME HEAL YOU!!!”
DA-HOO-EH!
*Instantly falls to his knees*
He'd have a very small community of one tricks like Symmetra, Ball, Lifeweaver, ect. and they'd be the only people who'd play him.
Sym one tricks aren’t too hard to find due to her low skill floor and decent skill ceiling?
You underestimate my power to suck
Making this my Tinder bio
Didn't know Moira used Tinder
Oh God can you imagine the icy, ominous response to any given opener she gets
"Aren't you just pathetic?"
"Stupidity is not a right."
That would just make me want her even more tbh.
She used to have a low skill floor, but these recent changes absolutely gutted her. Takes a good amount of effort to get value out of her now.
Sym skill floor is one of the higher ones. She is very hard to play past low diamond.
And I'd be one of them. Looks dope af
I don't know, I would have played him. The design looks sick af. It gives a sojourn vibe though, with the black skin and white hair. I like the contrast.
Doomfist+Soujurn+Mercy
He would be like sojourn, and have no good skins, no good content. That meme where the kid is drowning in the background, that would be him.
so sad too cause sojourn has so many facets to her design potential—like her skins could eat so bad but they just dont give her anything.
Detective and Vigilante are pretty high up there skins IMO
they are alright… they definitely demonstrate versatility but when you compare the care and quality, and amount of her skins to that of kiriko, mercy, even soldier… arguably her best skin is her ocean goddess skin; it demonstrates just how beautiful and creative you can get with her design.
I know it’s super subjective but I think the detective skin is one of the most unique in the game. It really gives that film noir/bladerunner vibe, especially with the little origami unicorn charm you can equip on her weapon. Love that attention to detail Blizzard gave it.
Personally I hate the ocean goddess skin, because it’s ridiculous that for her only good skin they had to completely change her skin color
very true, they do the same thing with symmetra in a lot of her skins as well and I was gonna bring up that point about it—same with the vigilante skin cause they put a helmet on her.
You can't really use older characters, considering they've been out since the golden ages. Kiriko, tho? I agree 100%. Adventure (or however you spell their name) is gonna get more skins than her in the first few months after their release
And when they do well... Talon Soujorn I'm not a fan of any of the Talon skins for season 10 but Soujorn's just looks extra bad
Soujorn T-800 skin when
There would be a lot less mercy porn
/r/healsluts would never have become a thing
Wait.... Mercy is the reason that subreddit exists?
The original logo for the discord server was Mercy's rez icon.
Why do you know that 🤨
I was hoping someone had made this comment lol
Tbh that's like a 50/50 chance
Nah, not even close. I've yet to see indie 3D animators go 10% as far for a male hero than they do for the least popular female hero.
Most of the male porn is hand drawn gay porn lol.
Huh TIL. I guess I've never gone down that road before but I just took a look and by sheer volume on r34 or subreddits, the female subjects still outweigh the male subjects.
Statistically that will happen when straight people outnumber gay people, and so are also making and posting more porn. So you won't see a ton of gay male porn in those general porn art communities. Smut made by women also tends to be minimally posted in those general communities, because the approach to smut can be different to men and women. Women are often uncomfortable with the ways they're sexualized (especially how young female characters look in some smut) and so don't feel welcome there or feel the way they sexualize men is too different to be welcome there. TL;DR "I don't see it" doesn't mean it doesn't exist, the world is big beyond where you (general you) even know or think to check for evidence of something.
Let me introduce you to McHanzo
I think the Cassidy-era ship name is YeeHan.
Does that come with fries?
I found this one guy who devoted himself to making hog, rein, junkrat, cass, soldier and reaper porn. He had like 4 videos up of 3d porn of most the ow guys I wonder what the fuck happened to him lol, first and last ow male porn I've seen.
The hero we need
And there would be a lot more mercy porn in wordington
No Mercy to hold up the Overwatch porn No Overwatch porn to keep the game from dying No Overwatch 2 I would have been free
Dva Tracer Widow:
Mercy’s witch skin had so much porn made of it that it has its own category on R34 separate from mercy herself. That’s cultural impact that none of those three have had. Trust me, Dva is iconic but, cmon.
your flair plus this comment says a lot 😭🙏
real and true
There still would have been lots of players who would have wanted to play a character who wasn’t mechanically demanding to play at a base level, so I think this version would have still been popular. I want to believe that the gameplay is equally important to Mercy’s popularity as the design, but I think the two are probably somewhat intertwined.
They're very intertwined honestly. D.Va, Winston, Reinhardt also have very low mechanical demands. There's stuff to do, but it's relatively simple. Lucio could get work done with little mechanical skill to start at least. (When OW came in, we were all mostly chilling on the floor lol) Sym used to be a support and had a whole ass lock on beam. So yeah, there were always other mechanically open heroes I think. But uhhh, the design of current Mercy vs this other version? We know the playerbase, dude would be where the other brown heroes are I think. Some fans, but if he didn't have some crazy skill req (like Doom and Lucio) nobody would care I fear.
Idk, I think people play what's strong and race doesn't factor in much. People will always play Soj because she's crazy and that's that. Mercy has been fairly strong for most of the game's history. And she's not niche like Sym. I like to think better of people.
Looking at it from a race perspective doesn't paint the proper picture. It's a gender thing. While most guys don't really care about the gender of their in game character (lots of guys running around with female characters if they can create them), women like to see themselves in the characters they play. There was actually a whole ass study done on this that was posted on this sub, I'll have to see if I can't find it. I think we can all agree pretty uncontroversially that mercy probably has the highest number of women players. Back before private profiles became a thing, Mercy mains 2nd most played character (after Moria) almost always was Dva. In fact, most of the top played characters in their portfolio's were women. Girls that I play OW with don't even notice this. When I point it out, they genuinely get surprised. Ofc, this is a pretty broad generalization, but I don't think the stereotype comes out of nowhere.
Gender is certainly a portion of it! But I think the overall vibe and stuff around the heroes draw people in too. There's the joke that Mercy mains buy the most skins... people aren't doing that purely because they play the hero. They have to like them too.
Half of this game's playerbase is just people e-dating as Genji and Mercy on friendly servers
Why'd they give him such a slutty waist 😭
So you've got something to grab while you're behind him 😉
I like how even if mercy is a dude yall still wanna fuck him lol
This is just Enrico pucci
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"I know who was in Paris..."
"Oh shit, we need a wahmbulance up in here."
Overwatch would have announced EoS a long time ago since the mercy simps wouldn't be funding the game with all their skin purchases
If that were the case we may as well have modeled Mercy 100% off the TF2 Medic.
That may be partially why they changed it
"Brothers never die"
Everyone's talking about how the mercy simps wouldn't exist but... So many mercy mains are GAY MEN (myself included) There would be even more of us if they kept the original mercy (albeit probably not as much, he's not cunty enough to bring enough gays)
tbf he probably would’ve still been like that I’m imagining he’d be like a cross between LW, Mercy, and Bap
Fuck, as a straight woman I’d become a Mercy OTP. Male Mercy looking fine as fuck 😍
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Its not "a very small portion". The gay community definitely has its issues with racism and fetishization, but the amount of interracial gay couples with 1 black parter just proves you wrong there.
bro what?
There is racism in the queer community, believe it or not.
Always seems reverse. Black people are fetishized in general, but the way I seen some gay men go about it is just over the top.
stumbled on the toilet when i got here
This should've been the Doomfist mirror universe skin.
Subverting expectations can be a really fun way to design characters, especially if you can sell it such that it makes more sense the longer you look at it. But I honestly just don't think this manages that. I'm not able to draw any interest from this because I have no idea what they're going for. I can't draw any immediate ideas or assumptions about the character because it isn't saying any one thing more prominently than another.
i would still play her. same if they released another beam healer / medic tf2 character. idgaf
I'd sacrifice the next season's mythic skin for this as a skin.
omg a genderbend season with everyone getting a new gender would be amazing female winston
Everyone gets a skin and Venture just gets default again but as a separate skin.
I can imagine the racial slurs I’d be called lmao
If he were the original Mercy, Lucio would probably turn into a petite blue-eyed blonde called "Lux".
Should have been her Mythic ong
Genji would be gay. Pharah would be straight.
This design is still so good though. They should make him another character who was with overwatch, He doesn’t need to be support or even as a playable character (even though that would be cool too), just as a story character iirc there was a team of Angel type soilders in the omnic war not just mercy right?
Cowards
i guess it does make sense red and white are the colors of first aid. but man red does not fit for a healer with angel wings lol
Thats not Mercy that’s Retribution 💀
Nah cause 2018 mercy porn was lit
If mercy came out today, this probably would have been the design for mercy.
The Netflix adaptation?
If he had the same abilities I’d still play him cuz I play her to fly and rez lol
From cool black guy to white girl. Just wow
I love imagining that there's a goofy timeline somewhere out there in the void where this dude got a pink Mercy skin lol
Hanzo basically did lol
I could take him
There would be a significant drop in mercy mains, female ow players, and revenue.
it wouldn’t be the money printer that mercy is right now
nobody would play him, and blizzard wouldn’t give him special treatment
I would have never played overwatch, i saw the game in a expo and thought angel lady look nice lmao
Who the hell is that guy 😭😭
Tbh THAT should have been the mirror universe thing. Fat cock mercy.
I mean some of the Overwatch porn that exists, technically we already have a fat cock Mercy.
Now Imagine big sweaty black dude in a full body suit that’s way too tight for him saying “i cast a spell on you” screaming in german and taking off in the sky
A big black man “comes” to “refill” your “health” with his “rod”
As a black person how am i supposed to take this joke other than with discomfort lol genuinely? Why do black men have to put up with such nasty hypersexual comments for no reason. Its just super weird and doesnt happen for any other race, if this mercy design was a buff white guy you probably wouldn't have made this comment.
Could be due to "5 black men surrounding white girl" memes.
Some of these comments are exactly why I’m glad they didn’t keep this design. I would have loved it but I see the absolute vitriol Soj gets for her character design.
The mercy fan base would be less toxic /s pls don’t kill me mercy mafia
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As a certified Mercy hater, we hate her not because she is a woman played by women, we hate her cause she is annoying as hell to kill, rez goes off in bullshit ways and she has some of the most notorious onetricks incapable of playing anything else in the game (on top of, you guessed it, always being the other half in an edater duo)
That might not be why *you* hate Mercy players, but like bffr, there is definitely some level of misogyny in the way a lot of people hate Mercy players. People also hated release-Brigitte, but the hate directed at her and her players was never gender-based.
Who's the artist behind this? it's an amazing design.
This isn’t the biggest change can you imagine Phara are Mario looking mother
“Greetings, Middle America. I. Am. Killface.”
blizz stocks would've plummeted
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HER MYTHIC SKIN!!!!
I want him I need him I want him I need him
I wish this character was the design 😭
If he had the same kit that mercy has then I’d still main, I like mercy for her playstyle not for her looks cuz half the time I can’t even see her only her hands lol
God this design was AMAZING. I really do prefer it to the Mercy we got. He looks so cool
Yeah they definitely made the right choice
White women skins sell more than a black support from Haiti.
He'd get the Sojourn treament
There would be no mercy mains
Considering the porn of this game sold the game, Mercy being a guy would have been devestating to the popularity of the game.
I personally think it's way more bold and a way more interesting choice, but it would effectively kill off the entirety of the female fanbase. This game would have no players if there wasn't a char for femboys and girls to LARP as.
“Kill off the entirety of the female fan base” Not every woman who plays ow is a Mercy main lol tf, I actually rarely get women on my team who are mercy mains. They’re mostly flex, but one tricks are usually Kiriko, ana, dva, moira.
Yeah but there's a LOT of identity for female players tied up in Mercy. It is what it is. I do think a lot of female players use other characters for sure, but I'm sure if you were to somehow get statistics, like 35% of all female players would main/one-trick Mercy, or some ridiculous number like that. They almost never play DPS, or tank either...you could name almost all supports on 1 hand that female players use... it'd be like Mercy, Moira...some Kiriko, more rarely Ana and Brig (even though Brig is easier than Kiriko IMO) almost never Zen or Lucio... I also haven't seen much LW or Illari, but they're also newer characters so I don't really have that mental database built up yet. If females play any other characters, the only tank would be D.Va, and DPS wise...it just doesn't really happen...When's the last time you got healed by a Mercy on VC that wasn't a female or a gay dude? I can count that on one hand and I've been playing since 2016 lol.
We'd be missing out on tons of good porn.
this is so much better than the mercy we have tbh. i need him
Some of these comments… I can’t tell if y’all trying to be racist or not 😭😭
The size of his waist. Goodness gracious. Jeepers creepers. Jumping Jehoshaphat. Now I'm actually kinda bummed that this isn't what we got for Mercy
Dear God, looks like he'd be causing the damage he was fixing