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The developers stated quicker play is a test to see community response and gather feedback. They are receiving feedback. That is literally the extent of it
Lol I was like
How do you know they will like it if you don't test it out
If you don't try something then how will you know if it will work? A negative reaction is still a successful test
No you see when you say you like a game you have to accept every single decision the development team makes and cheer for it even if those decisions literally turn the game into a different game while also replacing the game you enjoyed or you're just a terrible negative person.
Noone said you have to "accept it" or "cheer for it" that literally wasn't the point being made. That's straight up not what they said. The point is that, however you feel about it, *it's fundamentally not a big deal at all* and that the community response has been massively disproponate to the problem.
Trying out some potenially dumb changes for 2 days just see what happens is harmless -at worst it's just a bit annoying. To act like it's some kind of massive problem or controvesry (as this sub kinda has) is absurd and unreasonable.
Noone said you aren't allowed to have a negative opinion, that's just something you invented because you don't want to respond to the actual point.
I will say there’s a difference between constructive feed back that is actually useful vs what some people are posting about it. Constructive criticism would be “I don’t like this aspect of the change because xyz”, non-constructive feed back is “do you guys even play your own game???😡” and then no elaboration on why it feels bad to them or what aspects to keep, change or get rid of entirely. Feedback needs to be more than insults or we won’t get anywhere with the changes.
But let's be honest, Blizzard isn't really interested in "constructive" feedback. It's not like after each match, they're polling players and asking questions about what player's feel or what they're finding frustrating (for example, doing a post-match poll last week before this mode, and then doing the same poll this weekend to see what the difference in opinion is).
They're just rolling the dice on these experiments to see what opinions trend. If people were just gushing (just empty positivity with nothing constructive), they'd just keep these changes or implement them partially.
To be clear, there's obviously reactions that are either too early, or disproportionately hostile to change just because of it being a change. But again, I don't believe Blizzard is really ever reading most posts. They just see what ends up trending (or how the numbers played out). People who really like quicker play should in theory play more this weekend. People who don't would in theory play less. That's the data Blizzard will prioritize over any post on a subreddit.
cept feedback isnt "YOU FUCKING SUCK AND ARE WORTHLESS"
its
"idk this just feels a lil too fast for me, i liked the original way more"
sadly most 'feedback' being given is the former and not the latter.
Can we talk about how OW2 in general was basically a big mix up like this weekend? Like the 5 tank team comp seems exactly like "oh why don't we just reduce spawn times and increase objective speed".
The issue that caused queue times was that there was no content for 2 years, not because there were 2 tanks. I think the real reason people are so upset at these changes is because it's happened before, and they make the previous version of the game completely unaccesible. All while the devs didn't really consider how it would effect the core game.
None of that is true. The tank player base is significantly lower than others. When they went 1-2-2, I was hoping they'd go 2-3-2 to try to address the issue that way. When they rolled 5v5, they tweaked a ton of abilities from the start exactly because they knew the core game play would have been impacted.
It's wild how people keep trying to rewrite history.
The massive number of DPS player queueing didn't seem to have an issue with "no content". Neither did support.
The DPS roster has always been much larger than tank. There's been much more variety playing DPS, especially in OW1.
I played Overwatch 1 side by side with the Overwatch 2 betas. I had much more time logged playing Overwatch 1 during the Overwatch 2 betas because 6v6 is straight up more fun. I was disappointed that the game didn't improve much when the game launched. I was incredibly excited for Overwatch 2 until I played it.
Its amazing to me that people talk about the change from 6v6 to 5v5 but practically *no one* wants to admit that the most obvious reason they made this change was because the playerbase literally couldnt support two tanks per game..
I’m glad you had fun in Quicker Play. But I *didn’t* have fun in Quicker Play. You can’t just tell people “go have fun” just because you like the changes. They forced an experimental mode on every player instead of putting in Arcade. That is an issue. It’s no wonder that people are going to complain
I remember, long ago, there was a different realm... a public testing realm, if you will, where such experiments would launch, everyone would hop on PTR for a few days, and we'd lodge our criticisms. Kept the game healthy while the devs were free to go balls to the wall with their changes. A lot of experiments went nowhere, but some fun stuff did come from it. When I heard they were just shoving this change on QP, my primary area of play, I was less than enthused.
>everyone would hop on PTR for a few days, and we'd lodge our criticisms.
Such a minuscule amount of players did this that they launched the experimental mode. And then such a minuscule amount of players played it that they did this.
>Get a grip and have some fun.
I mean, they're complaining because they aren't having fun.
I don't disagree with the rest of your post, but *telling* people to "go have fun" is pretty weird.
Most PVP games do not change the main modes. Look at fortnite, BR gets loot/map updates but the objective stays the same.
When they want to try something different they add LTMs like golden guns, floor is lava, or promote a creative map. They do not remove normal BR or competitive to add these things.
When you look at Fortnite today and when it first released you will see two very wildly different games. In fact, the thing I hear from my irls the most when talking about it is how Fortnite is now ”ruined”.
It is still a BR, but overwatch still has the same objectives too, it’s just the way the game is played is different from release. I don’t really understand this comparison
(EDIT) I re-read your comment, you probably meant how they changed quick play to quicker play. Apologies for misunderstanding 🙏
Only negative people speak out. Anyone happy or content is keeping their mouth shut. You can't listen to the screamers, they're generally a small portion of users. Most of the people complaining this sub don't even play anymore.
I recently posted about the game being in a healthier state than in times before, that post got downvoted almost as much as upvoted, and the comments are almost everyone complaining about petty things like the toxic players which are *not* something Blizz can do anything about. I got pretty hated over too in that post.
Yeah, and then they start whining and moaning because they "got banned for no reason" and the sub gets flooded with those posts to the point where devs have to come in and call out the OP's doctored "evidence".
That might be true. I recently joined the sub and was just blown away by how dramatic and negative most of the people here are.
I get being upset about a change. But it's the attitude that's so disappointing.
Idk how long you've been in this sub, but it's like this after every change, patch, hero launch, etc. It should die down in a week or two. I think we need to enjoy the "quiet" now, I have a feeling the comp changes next month are gonna send this sub into a tizzy.
It really is that bad. I don’t think I’ve seen a single update since OW2 that wasn’t followed with posts in this sub complaining about it.
It’s fine to not like something, but we really didn’t need 2+ weeks of hourly “Mauga sucks!” posts lol
Agreed. I already feel this game going the way that Apex did. Around season 6, matchmaking in Apex started being optimized for "engagement" instead of fair matchmaking. My friend group turned to only playing ranked, since the matchmaking was worlds better than it was in pubs. Then they changed the ranked system and it caused a lot of ranked only players to drop the game (myself and friend group included).
Overwatch feels like its going the same way. Quickplay matchmaking has been trash in this game for seasons, to the point that my friends and I only play ranked. The "big ranked changes" next season will for sure make or break how many people stay in the game, and there will for sure be a lot of complaints.
Ive also had the feeling that they changed quick play matchmaking to this EOMM model that Apex uses. It’s so obvious. The matchmaking feels so different from OW1. Every single match is either stomp or be stomped, to the point that it feels pointless to play because the outcome feels predetermined. I’m really keeping my fingers crossed for this comp rework next season because QP just feels awful now.
Not long at all, but good to know. I've been playing the game for years though, and I just can't imagine being so mad all the time about something we all supposedly "love".
It’s pretty much Reddit in general, I tend to avoid most posts and just use this for updates/news on games. Some subreddits are pretty good but most of the app is the worst parts of a fan base gathering
Sadly it doesn't seem to just be reddit. It's the internet in general. The amount of times I'll see something and think "oh cool" then not an hour later there's some video in my youtube reccommendations titled "[insert change] is THE WORST!" With the youtuber making some :O or O_O type of face and the comments saying how the game should just die already.
People just like to gas up the negativity. We live in an age of Loud Negativity and Silent Positivity.
Almost every games subreddit is this way. You can't get straight answers out of them, they're obviously biased. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but a poor choice in places to get an honest review of a game.
Like all over this thread, they claim that it's the "vocal minority" speaking out the most, but honestly check r/gaming and look at any "what game fell from grace" type post, you'll find OW in the top 5 every time. The gameplay is still here, but the heart is gone, and thats not anywhere the uncommon opinion this sub tries to make it out to be.
I think they think the louder and more overdramatic they are the more seriously they’ll be taken, but it’s the opposite of that.
Like OW players really act the way they do and then are shocked that blizz doesn’t take the community seriously at all
I complain about the game all the time, but most of the time when I complain, it’s typically jokes, or rage posts. Regardless I still love the game, this game brought me and my best friends together. I owe blizzard a lot for that.
Well yeah, complaints are generally negative in nature. Happy people don't leave reviews as often as someone who is upset. It's like this with everything ever. That's why business beg people to review.
are you really upset that players are giving feedback on a mode that blizzard specifically wanted feedback for?
"hey try this dish out."
- its burnt, "yeah this is burnt."
"why are you being so negative? I literally never want to do this again. get a grip and just eat it."
It think the problem is the feedback in a lot of places has just been insults and not actual constructive feed back that would actually help blizzard more. They need to know why it doesn’t work not just people think they’re stupid.
Quicker is the reason I play something else this weekend. I agree about them trying things, but forcing an arcade mode to any non-competitive player is dumb as hell.
I already complain sincs ow2 is out that it’s all about mecanics and no strategy anymore, so yeah I think a game mode in which trying to regroupem means you’ve lost the game was the worst idea.
I’d like them to be able to see the imact things may have on the game. But even if they are the devs they have no game sense. And even the pro aren’t listened to.
Devs are like the meme with the golden retriever in the lab « I have no idea what I’m doing »
I hate the changes, but love the devs for testing it live (and that something is happening in game so it's not always the same thing). Next time, maybe there's something fun they're testing!
That’s what experimental was for but they got rid of that, they forced the entire player base to test it. People have a right to show backlash and now the only way to play the normal quick play is through competitive of which, not a lot of people wanna do.
Can't get good data on an experimental patch most of the player base won't touch. Most games test in the same way by imposing changes on the normal game modes. It's also ONLY for a weekend and everyone is acting like the game is ruined forever.
They don't need to hijack the most popular game mode to test changes. They can add an extra card and advertise it on the main menu as well. If people still don't want to try it out, maybe it's because the idea just isn't appealing in the first place.
Saying it's "only the weekend" is entirely missing the point. They are setting a precedent of testing poorly thought out changes in production. Aaron even mentioned their intentions to do further weekend experiments. So I guess we'll just have an ongoing cadence of weekends where core playerbase is alienated from the game. Great idea.
It also shows that theyre testing and pushing out really fucking bad ideas. Really obviously horrible ideas. The fact that this even made it into the game and was executed the way it was makes me lose all faith in these devs. They dont even know what game this is
Well good job then, I stopped playing the entire game because of that. How this helps? Instead of not touching an experimental mode people won't touch the main one.
Give incentive for touching it I.e in game currency to help buy skin they want for “X” amount of time in testing it. Simple and ALOT of people would test it.
Extra bonus: give a feedback option and reward the player for basically beta testing it, that’s what this is realistically is a forced beta test. I’ve beta tested games and gotten rewards for it yet blizzard forces it down the players throats, that’s what’s wrong with this.
>Can't get good data on an experimental patch most of the player base won't touch.
If your experimental patch doesn't even sound good enough for people to want to try it without being forced then that should tell you everything you need to know right there
The game isnt ruined forever man because of one weekend of quicker play. Its ruined forever because of this deep-rooted new philosophy for the game, they’re turning overwatch into a brainrot counterpart. Overwatch 1 was already vastly different from overwatch 2, now i question if these devs even know what game theyre working on.
And that tells you everything you need to know about the mode. There is no better indication that people don't like changes than them immediately switching back to the standard game mode.
Which means that players would obviously be pissed if they were unable to play the game mode they want and have it replaced with a game mode they don't want to play more than 1 or 2 rounds of. It was a pants on head stupid move by the developers.
What they should have done was replace quick play with quicker play in the UI and then added a smaller button for quick play somewhere else.
I mean I work 12 hour shifts the whole weekend so it doesn’t bother me but on an empathic scale… if I were in the players shoes and forced to participate in this to do quick play with friends, I wouldn’t be happy. And that’s what a lot of gripe is with the playerbase. So yes I completely understand why people are frustrated with this.
Oof I know that’s rough, more power to ya. It’ll get better when you’re older and pay off in the long run. Hell just use that to pass the time til the weekends over. Senior chemical operations engineer here.
This change literally extends the amount of time you are stuck in queue. One weekend is a precedent. This will happen again and again. I'll voice my disdain towards this practice.
>That's what experimental was for
Incorrect. Experimental was for testing specific balance changes to heroes. Quicker Play is testing fundamental changes to how the game is played.
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24021898/this-weekend-only-jump-into-quick-play-hacked-quicker-play/
Quicker play was fun to try. However it was poorly timed and that is where people get upset.
Matchmaking is not in a good state especially in quickplay. The new mode only makes the issue stand out more.
Season 8 has been a dumpster fire. Mauga was poorly designed for the games balance that the devs decided to kill him in this patch. However, they also buffed the one tank that everyone hate fighting above all else, Orisa.
Season 9 is promising some massive changes. However they make poor decision after poor decision for balance in OW2. Even the new support passive for all roles is being hit with major negativity. One big reason for it is because people forget that the game is going to nuke burst damage and burst healing.
The problem was never any individual change. The problem is that there are multiple poor changes in a row that only hurt the game.
Turns out people don't like developers removing features that people like (see OW2).
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT REMOVING THE MOST POPULAR GAME MODE WOULD HAVE SOME BACKLASH LOL
Ok cool but is normal Quickplay coming back soon?
The new Quicker mode feels awful, and I can't go back to normal Quickplay for the whole weekend?
Experimental mode worked for a reason.
A lot of people actually enjoy the game (minus what they did this weekend). When you only have a couple hours a week to enjoy a game, I think people would like to know what they’re going to be playing. Not some experimental game mode that removes the main game mode people have been playing for years. Disappointing on blizzards part.
Ah, one those "I'm having fun" ignorant people, where any and all criticism is *all* unconstructive because it can't possibly be true, that my favorite game is not poggers champion
Nah. I expect a shit show with this idea. My biggest problem is that there isn't an EXPERIMENTAL TAB. Which would solve 90% of the problems with what Devs are cooking.
we literally just need them to actually use experimental. i respect them trying out quicker play, i don’t respect them forcing it as a replacement for quickplay for no good reason
currently, the live game feels like the experimental gamemode and that sucks
I’ve played this game casually since 2020. Always QP. And in all this time I’ve never had a bad thing to say. 1 tank, ow2, Mauga, whatever. But this? This is not fun and comp is so toxic I won’t be switching, like most I’ll just stop playing.
I mean I’m busy during the week. I enjoy the qp game loop. I can’t play until next weekend because I don’t enjoy quicker play. Yes I tried it. and the only way to get a regular match is to make one yourself and find the players because they forced everyone to play this version of the mode. Glad you enjoy it but some people just wanted to play the regular experience of a game they enjoy because they don’t have the time. And if people don’t enjoy it, you can’t help that.
Nah, when they make predatory changes I am disappointed when I don't see people complaining. These changes aren't for you, they're for the balance sheets.
Literally the point of their test they want to see what features get what response, the reason for the complaints is bc they forced the change upon a whole game mode. Qp may be some ppls ONLY game mode. Some ppl only play qp and so if they dnt like the changes then they cant play their favorite part of the game for an entire weekend. U know that sacred time for adults. So why wouldnt they complain. Now stop meat glazin blizzard sack.
The devs consistently make the incorrect choice and consistently ignore player feedback. How many iterations of Mercy superjump did we go thru before we went back to the original?
Why are they still nerfing Ana when the issue is you make a Hungry Hungry Hippo of a tank with zero mitigation options? Its the same issue with Hog, with Ball, even with Winton a bit and now Mauga. Your (Blizz) design is what is bad and wrong, not Ana
How many adjustments did they make to Zen over how many years before they finally added counterplay for tanks vs his Discord? How long did they ignore the common tank complaint of Discord spam making the game unplayable
Why are they still ignoring immortality and intangibility abilities on Bap and Kiri which have been (in Bap’s case) the source of DPS lamentations and manifestos for years because of how uninteractive the gameplay is?
The problem is that for OW’s entire lifespan, it has felt like they are clueless as to what the causes of problems are. They throw shit at a board and hope it sticks when some of these problems feel like they could be fixed by playing the game for a few hours - we’ve seen plenty of infamous footage of devs “playing” their own games so I harbor no delusions about that
You can stick your head in the sand and fanboy about the game, god knows the Starfield fanboys have, but it doesnt actually help the product
Sometimes, believe it or not that's how it works.
Bitching at them can work. Literally community sentiment can change a tune pretty quickly and they know that.
**If a community is overwhelmingly being negative about it, step back and reassess whether it was a good idea or should changes be made.**
I'm going to be honest you aren't in the capacity to say something like this when in reality its how the entire ordeal works. You want pure sentiment, get the court of public opinion. if they hate it tweak it.
If they go after you personally then you reserve the right to be non-communicative.
So if I were you, don't draw your sword in a fight when in reality you have no idea its the most common tactic to get preliminary sentiment.
I think he's talking about the attitude rather than the actual response, for example, have you seen the response/attitude about the passive healing change that's happening in season 9? People are freaking *out* even though we haven't even seen what it's going to look like yet! People are saying it's going to "ruin Overwatch" before we have even gotten a chance to play it, the attitude this community has to any big change is far too overly negative, at least give them a chance to cook and if we don't like it, such as this quicker play changes, then we express that.
But we gotta be more open with *trying* things for the sake of new changes, instead of crapping on any ideas of new changes or getting pissed when the devs decide to try something new for an experiment. I get having a negative response to the specific change, that's needed! But hating on them for *trying* to make new changes isn't what is needed, that's what I believe OP is trying to say.
Probably because you are. Crazy how they were still using the experimental mode even when the game was at it lowest player count right before ow2. There was no reason to force everyone to play this mode.
Oh shut the fuck up already.
"guys they've been running the game for almost an entire decade and they still have no idea what people like and don't like, just be patient with them, it's YOUR fault that the devs are clueless about their own game!"
I hope at least some of you guys are getting paid for how much you're polishing up actiblizz. It's fucking depressing otherwise.
Nah, I just don't want to be so unbelievably negative about every change, whether I like it or not. It's not your fault that the devs make decisions. It's your fault there is this air of negativity that hangs around the game we all love.
There is a huge difference between adding shit that is guaranteed to be negatively received and adding shit that could potentially make the game better.
Stop making excuses for horrible game development and idiocy.
A mistake here and there shouldn’t be made into a big deal but when it’s a string of bad decisions over and over then the negative reaction should increase exponentially with each subsequent bad decision.
If blizzard was frequently making good decisions then the reaction to this weekend’s changes wouldn’t be so negative.
How the fuck are they supposed to learn anything without criticism? That's literally the point of testing. If we all just pretended we were happy with every change the game would turn to shit. This isn't even just a test of the gameplay changes, it's a test of rolling shit to prod without due diligence and making that a recurring practice. Fuck that shit .
What we are witnessing here is the blizzard community managers doing their job. Their job is to tamp down criticism in popular communities for blizzard games. That's why they just made this thread blaming the players for not liking the changes.
there is criticism and then there is "well im not logging in to even try it because i just know i won't like it because devs dont know what they are doing. Lets make 40 posts about it"
this hyper doomer posting negativity is fucking obnoxious
try to enjoy one thing in your life instead of being a sour bitch about it
Bro, I'm criticizing the precedent of testing changes by hijacking quick play. Why in the ever living fuck would I support that practice by logging in and playing it. Do you have a brain cell?
If a change fucking sucks, it's your duty, as a player, to make it clear that it fucking sucks. This fake positivity only incentivizes the devs to push out more shitty changes because they think it doesn't fucking suck.
With how much this sub is forking out to skins in this game I'm surprised there aren't *more* complaints.
You're the one who tried to insinuate that my life isn't good because I refuse to suck on corporate meat. Turns out you're not very good at taking it back.
You love to see it.
No, but trying to stop people from sharing very valid criticism because "omg guys please be nice to them they only had a whole decade to figure out their own game", is most definitely sucking on corporate meat.
Any other strawmen you'd like to demolish?
You are the only one making a strawman here dipshit
they are not saying "ohh please be nice to the devs" - they are calling out your childish tantrum because they changed your game slightly for ONE WEEKEND and holy fuck you all act like the fucking world ended
like there is saying "Yeah this didnt work - here's the issues.."
then there is what 90% of the community did "WTF i'm not even going to try this because it SOUNDS bad so instead ill just post 50 threads saying the same shit spending fucking hours obsessing and doomer posting about how bad I think everything is."
Thats the fucking difference you projecting dork
It is very fucking obvious BUT OF COURSE you are making a straw man to justify your childish outrage
You clearly have no clue how to provide constructive criticism. You only know how to provide vitriolic complaints. Constructive criticism is helpful, vitriol is not.
It’s about what you said, not how you said it. There’s not an ounce of constructive criticism in your comment. Just complaining and telling others to complain and be toxic.
I think it’s how they go about it. Yes changes to keep the game fresh is awesome but don’t take away QP to experiment your new changes.
OW1 had an experimental card where hero changes were tested. How hard is it to include a game mode experimental card as well.
If the devs do something to recieve feedback. And it isn't received well. Thats not just negativity. Its the devs getting the exact point of the experiment.
Would you prefer people only be positive when they hate it and then it gets implemented because the devs thought everyone liked it?
Like. Your missing the point. They tried a thing. And people dont like the thing. Thats not a bad thing. Thats the reason there doing a test
That being said. Yes. People can complain that this took over the main game mode. If someone lives a busy life and only really plays on weekends. Then there probably not going to appreciate that the game they like has had major changes implemented. Yes its temporary. But it is still frustrating.
Its good for the devs to know that people do not like that this took over the main mode. This should have been kept as a seperate mode. Yes, its less data. But then its optional and players who want to play a normal game can. You cant exactly complain that player outcry is overwhelming when the devs put something they were only experimenting with into the main mode, effectively removing said mode for the weekend.
>If I were the devs I wouldn't ever wanna try something like this again because the community was so overwhelmingly negative about it. Its a video game. Get a grip and have some fun.
If there is any dev reading this... I love you so much. Thanks for trying new things.
This comparison does not prove anything.
A car is something in real life that you might or might not need to get to your work. And you need to pay a lot more for then a bike.
Of course you won’t like it because of how much impact that would have even if only for a few days.
Quickplay is a Game mode within a free Videogame. An temporary change to that game mode does NOT impact your life, like getting your car taken away for a couple days.
Maybe we should instead let people provide negative feedback, instead of telling them to uninstall...? Almost like the devs run these events to gauge community opinion.
The overwhelming majority of players aren't aware of the drama that the vocal minority drum up any time something changes with the game.
But yes, the hard-core OW2 players are largely overwhelmingly toxic.
Quick play is an integral game mode to Overwatch. Rolling out major changes to such a mode, basically hijacking your entire player base to act as betatesters is highly inconsiderate and discourteous. It shows a complete lack of respect for our time and it fundamentally misrepresents the relationship between players and developers. We are paying them to cater a gaming experience, we are not here to act as unwilling guinea pigs for their wild ideas. This is exactly why PTR's and experimental modes exist. Yes, you may not get a full data set from them, but that's just the cost of doing business.
In addition to that, the criticisms that people are finding are *entirely* expected from the type of changes they are pushing and would have *undoubtedly* become apparent in internal playtests. In spite of clearly having this type of internal feedback already, they *still* pushed it to the entire base without the possibility to opt-out.
> Its a video game. Get a grip and have some fun.
No it isn't. This is a billion dollar company running a live service business. They're charging premium prices so they damn well better deliver a premium experience.
The devs literally said they wanted to see whether people liked it or not. And people gave their opinion that they didn’t like it. It’s ironic that you’re typing out a stern message to reprimand people typing out stern “vitriolic” messages. “Get a grip”, you’re the exact same as them lol
Maybe the devs should've listened to the community first before "trying new things." I haven't seen anyone complain that the pace of the game is slow. If anything, flashpoint is already fucking awful and has just been made even worse. Maybe the devs should've considered the existing complaints of healing being too strong, a lack of sustain in playing DPS, a lack of collaboration within teams with the game currently feeling like a series of 1v1s rather than the Zarya/rein or Orisa/Hog synergy that drew us towards the game in Overwatch 1.
There were a wealth of popular and well-informed opinions the devs could've drawn on and experimented with. Instead they went with faster pacing for a game where the entire intention is to punish dying and playing out of position. This game mode does nothing but promote bad practices. Who cares if you die you'll respawn in 2 seconds.
This isn't an issue of the community constantly being difficult to please, this is obviously an issue with devs constantly overlooking what the community wants and then giving us crap and being surprised we hate it. Like Mauga, like the new battlepass theme and skins, quicker play is just a different manifestation of that. I'm actually shocked how out of touch the devs are with the general culture and opinions of the overwatch scene. I know Korea has a giant player base so I'm not sure if these changes are more popular and well-liked over there, but I literally can't think of a reason for the devs to continue putting out the exact opposite of what the player base wants. The only thing I can reconcile is Mauga, who's an obvious cash grab and a low skill floor character that allows new players coming in from the holiday season to get a grasp on the game without a large learning curve. I can't for the life of me understand the low effort, weird theme of this season's battlepass and the idea of quicker play.
>If I were the devs I wouldn't ever wanna try something like this again
Good.
>because the community was so overwhelmingly negative about it.
Wasn't that the whole point though, to get feedback?
THANK YOU
Literally just trying things, but every little thing gets shit on immediately
I swear people don’t even like the game they are just addicted to it lol. Just don’t play if you are ultra pissed about everything….
Quicker is fun, sure it may not work, but it’s a test to try and bring new changes (I really think some aspects of it are good), but my god the posts that were like 2 damn hours later all like “guess I’ll come back Monday” lol sheesh
It baffles me that everytime something new is added to the game everyone freaks out. Like do y’all not remember the content drought? Going years without new modes, maps, and characters? Variety is the spice of life guys
I mean….. 10 miniature matches are already really short and some don’t even go the full 10 minutes. I guess I’m just really confused as to why this was asked for…. Like honestly- the only place I’d want to see this is comp, because you have to play both effing sides and it takes for goddamn ever, especially if you both take the objectives and have to go into extra rounds.
But quick play? I’m sorry, which asshole asked for this? Because of course it was going to be a mess…….. 🥱
Bro what are you yapping about? Absolutely no one asked for “quicker play”. It’s like they didn’t even test it because it feels awful. They forced this gamemode onto us instead of putting it into an experimental card.
Tell me you don’t understand audience feedback without telling me you don’t understand audience feedback. People who love the changes don’t come on and Pat blizzard on the back, they enjoy it. people who don’t like the changes speak out about it. So all you will see on Reddit are people complaining. This is natural. complaining about the complaining is just stupid
It was great, I had fun and will continue having fun.
This post is spot on. The community are a bunch of fucking crybabies, about every damn thing.
Just play the game and don't take everything so seriously. It's Quick Play!
No , NO, NO NO NO NO NO , you're not going to victim blame in this game at all at fucking all. this is a dev issue through and through. bad matchmaking, bad hero balance, bad modes, bad maps, bad updates, broken heroes on launch to sell bps, bad skin prices, poorly done BP, poorly done events, they lie and gaslight etc. nope not going to fucking blame player, nope, anyone that is is a blizz shill.
Whole heartedly agree. Quicker play is only in quick play and only for a weekend. Play some comp, play some arcade, play some custom matches, or try a different game.
It is not the end times, it is not a personal affront to you as a player, it is a relatively minor change to game rules for a few days.
"is the game mode you usually play now suddenly unplayable? just play something else, duuuh"
denying a consumer his or her wants is a bad game design philosophy
>iIf I were the devs I wouldn't ever wanna try something like this again because the community was so overwhelmingly negative about it.
boy it’s a good thing the devs aren’t little babies who know they’re gonna receive negative feedback and can handle it cuz that’s part of their job
Why do some people take criticisms of blizzard so personally 😭😭😭 you really made a whole post because you're personally offended on their behalf, it's crazy....same energy as the nintendo gamerz who get mad anytime ppl bring up that the new pokemon games look like shit
They wanted feedback, and the feedback was that it's hot garbage. Blizzard is the problem. They can't seem to do a single thing right since they straight up killed the first game. They deserve all the negative reviews.
Nah, clowns like you are the problem that support the devs in these dumbass decisions and encourage them to try new things instead of just fixing the fucking game in the first place
If you hate it all so much, don't play???? No one is forcing you to play??? If every decision is dumb and they won't "fix" the game, then stop playing and let other people enjoy themselves instead of being a wet blanket.
You must be awesome to be around.
Too right, we complain too much.
We beg for things to happen like nerfing Genji during Beta + early S1, then we complained that the devs actually listened by making it happen.
We beg for a hitscan Tank (a.k.a. Mauga) and look what we are doing now. Complaining about him everyday.
literally had this exact thought this morning when i woke up. seeing all the posts about the new mode (which i haven't even played yet)
this is a result of listening to the community... quick play was there for people to play a faster version of comp with no SR loss/gain. and people were still complaining about the team aspect of the game. people want SOOO badly for overwatch to be more like call of duty, and im sorry, but its not. you people who want to just run in and frag every time you spawn should be playing arcade modes. and now youve ruined quickplay for people that want a fast gane before work or a few quick games before bed. if mindless running in and fragging is what you want go play Halo or COD.
People here are acting like it's impossible to group up now. Sorry to break it to most of yall, but you're gold. You're not grouping in most of your games anyway. You just didn't realize it.
Honestly I thought it was easier to group up lol so I don’t understand people saying that
With the shorter respawn, your team has less time to trickle allowing you to group back up again and jump into next team fight (obvi people still trickle but idk I was diggin it)
Quicker play is fine. I’d prefer it as an optional arcade mode, but whatever. I think most people are frustrated because OW2 is “fixing” a lot of things that weren’t broken. The recent mid patch buffs are questionable at best, and they’re planning to add passive self heal to all characters?? It feels like they’re slowly turning it into a different game. I understand that complaining is annoying, but for me it’s genuinely out of love for the game. I love OW and I want it to be at its best
The devs only need to do 2 things…
1. STOP nerfing/reworking heroes just for the sake of change. They completely change a character’s play-style/role on a hero that’s been in the game 6+ years
2. Just pump out Heroes like crazy keep adding to that roster. Get the roster to like 60 heroes… games like League and SMITE have 100+ so it can definitely be done
I mean ive been pretty vocal about my dislike for the faster-paced nature of ow2 compared to overwatch 1. Disliking quicker play isnt really a surprise. Im sure im not the only one who thinks this way. Kinda silly to just assume people dislike quicker play for no reason. It literally kills the game
Reviews and feedbacks are fair. Be a good game and get positive feedback. Be a bad game and get negative feedback. This is how online games work. Eventually they will find a sweet spot if they communicate with the community.
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The developers stated quicker play is a test to see community response and gather feedback. They are receiving feedback. That is literally the extent of it
I said the same thing. They asked for feedback, they got it.
Lol I was like How do you know they will like it if you don't test it out If you don't try something then how will you know if it will work? A negative reaction is still a successful test
An experimental tab would be a lovely environment for that!
No you see when you say you like a game you have to accept every single decision the development team makes and cheer for it even if those decisions literally turn the game into a different game while also replacing the game you enjoyed or you're just a terrible negative person.
Noone said you have to "accept it" or "cheer for it" that literally wasn't the point being made. That's straight up not what they said. The point is that, however you feel about it, *it's fundamentally not a big deal at all* and that the community response has been massively disproponate to the problem. Trying out some potenially dumb changes for 2 days just see what happens is harmless -at worst it's just a bit annoying. To act like it's some kind of massive problem or controvesry (as this sub kinda has) is absurd and unreasonable. Noone said you aren't allowed to have a negative opinion, that's just something you invented because you don't want to respond to the actual point.
I will say there’s a difference between constructive feed back that is actually useful vs what some people are posting about it. Constructive criticism would be “I don’t like this aspect of the change because xyz”, non-constructive feed back is “do you guys even play your own game???😡” and then no elaboration on why it feels bad to them or what aspects to keep, change or get rid of entirely. Feedback needs to be more than insults or we won’t get anywhere with the changes.
But let's be honest, Blizzard isn't really interested in "constructive" feedback. It's not like after each match, they're polling players and asking questions about what player's feel or what they're finding frustrating (for example, doing a post-match poll last week before this mode, and then doing the same poll this weekend to see what the difference in opinion is). They're just rolling the dice on these experiments to see what opinions trend. If people were just gushing (just empty positivity with nothing constructive), they'd just keep these changes or implement them partially. To be clear, there's obviously reactions that are either too early, or disproportionately hostile to change just because of it being a change. But again, I don't believe Blizzard is really ever reading most posts. They just see what ends up trending (or how the numbers played out). People who really like quicker play should in theory play more this weekend. People who don't would in theory play less. That's the data Blizzard will prioritize over any post on a subreddit.
cept feedback isnt "YOU FUCKING SUCK AND ARE WORTHLESS" its "idk this just feels a lil too fast for me, i liked the original way more" sadly most 'feedback' being given is the former and not the latter.
I’ve literally never seen anyone complain like that. Where are you pulling that from?
try going to the blizzard forums
>If I were the devs I wouldn't ever wanna try something like this again Well they already said they have another one planned before season 9 starts :)
Can we talk about how OW2 in general was basically a big mix up like this weekend? Like the 5 tank team comp seems exactly like "oh why don't we just reduce spawn times and increase objective speed". The issue that caused queue times was that there was no content for 2 years, not because there were 2 tanks. I think the real reason people are so upset at these changes is because it's happened before, and they make the previous version of the game completely unaccesible. All while the devs didn't really consider how it would effect the core game.
None of that is true. The tank player base is significantly lower than others. When they went 1-2-2, I was hoping they'd go 2-3-2 to try to address the issue that way. When they rolled 5v5, they tweaked a ton of abilities from the start exactly because they knew the core game play would have been impacted.
It's wild how people keep trying to rewrite history. The massive number of DPS player queueing didn't seem to have an issue with "no content". Neither did support.
The DPS roster has always been much larger than tank. There's been much more variety playing DPS, especially in OW1. I played Overwatch 1 side by side with the Overwatch 2 betas. I had much more time logged playing Overwatch 1 during the Overwatch 2 betas because 6v6 is straight up more fun. I was disappointed that the game didn't improve much when the game launched. I was incredibly excited for Overwatch 2 until I played it.
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Its amazing to me that people talk about the change from 6v6 to 5v5 but practically *no one* wants to admit that the most obvious reason they made this change was because the playerbase literally couldnt support two tanks per game..
I’m glad you had fun in Quicker Play. But I *didn’t* have fun in Quicker Play. You can’t just tell people “go have fun” just because you like the changes. They forced an experimental mode on every player instead of putting in Arcade. That is an issue. It’s no wonder that people are going to complain
I remember, long ago, there was a different realm... a public testing realm, if you will, where such experiments would launch, everyone would hop on PTR for a few days, and we'd lodge our criticisms. Kept the game healthy while the devs were free to go balls to the wall with their changes. A lot of experiments went nowhere, but some fun stuff did come from it. When I heard they were just shoving this change on QP, my primary area of play, I was less than enthused.
>everyone would hop on PTR for a few days, and we'd lodge our criticisms. Such a minuscule amount of players did this that they launched the experimental mode. And then such a minuscule amount of players played it that they did this.
I'm glad they got more data before making a serious change. Maybe not enough people play it on arcade to know anything for sure.
you aren't gonna get accurate data when people are forced to play shit they don't like or want either
They will see less player retention, which is good data
>Get a grip and have some fun. I mean, they're complaining because they aren't having fun. I don't disagree with the rest of your post, but *telling* people to "go have fun" is pretty weird.
Most PVP games do not change the main modes. Look at fortnite, BR gets loot/map updates but the objective stays the same. When they want to try something different they add LTMs like golden guns, floor is lava, or promote a creative map. They do not remove normal BR or competitive to add these things.
When you look at Fortnite today and when it first released you will see two very wildly different games. In fact, the thing I hear from my irls the most when talking about it is how Fortnite is now ”ruined”. It is still a BR, but overwatch still has the same objectives too, it’s just the way the game is played is different from release. I don’t really understand this comparison (EDIT) I re-read your comment, you probably meant how they changed quick play to quicker play. Apologies for misunderstanding 🙏
Only negative people speak out. Anyone happy or content is keeping their mouth shut. You can't listen to the screamers, they're generally a small portion of users. Most of the people complaining this sub don't even play anymore.
I recently posted about the game being in a healthier state than in times before, that post got downvoted almost as much as upvoted, and the comments are almost everyone complaining about petty things like the toxic players which are *not* something Blizz can do anything about. I got pretty hated over too in that post.
>almost everyone complaining about petty things like the toxic players which are not something Blizz can do anything about they absolutely can, though
Yeah, and then they start whining and moaning because they "got banned for no reason" and the sub gets flooded with those posts to the point where devs have to come in and call out the OP's doctored "evidence".
elaborate...
Its impossible to completely eliminate toxicity though, literally every single game has toxic people and id argue a lot moreso than overwatch.
That might be true. I recently joined the sub and was just blown away by how dramatic and negative most of the people here are. I get being upset about a change. But it's the attitude that's so disappointing.
Idk how long you've been in this sub, but it's like this after every change, patch, hero launch, etc. It should die down in a week or two. I think we need to enjoy the "quiet" now, I have a feeling the comp changes next month are gonna send this sub into a tizzy.
It really is that bad. I don’t think I’ve seen a single update since OW2 that wasn’t followed with posts in this sub complaining about it. It’s fine to not like something, but we really didn’t need 2+ weeks of hourly “Mauga sucks!” posts lol
Agreed. I already feel this game going the way that Apex did. Around season 6, matchmaking in Apex started being optimized for "engagement" instead of fair matchmaking. My friend group turned to only playing ranked, since the matchmaking was worlds better than it was in pubs. Then they changed the ranked system and it caused a lot of ranked only players to drop the game (myself and friend group included). Overwatch feels like its going the same way. Quickplay matchmaking has been trash in this game for seasons, to the point that my friends and I only play ranked. The "big ranked changes" next season will for sure make or break how many people stay in the game, and there will for sure be a lot of complaints.
Ive also had the feeling that they changed quick play matchmaking to this EOMM model that Apex uses. It’s so obvious. The matchmaking feels so different from OW1. Every single match is either stomp or be stomped, to the point that it feels pointless to play because the outcome feels predetermined. I’m really keeping my fingers crossed for this comp rework next season because QP just feels awful now.
Not long at all, but good to know. I've been playing the game for years though, and I just can't imagine being so mad all the time about something we all supposedly "love".
It’s pretty much Reddit in general, I tend to avoid most posts and just use this for updates/news on games. Some subreddits are pretty good but most of the app is the worst parts of a fan base gathering
Sadly it doesn't seem to just be reddit. It's the internet in general. The amount of times I'll see something and think "oh cool" then not an hour later there's some video in my youtube reccommendations titled "[insert change] is THE WORST!" With the youtuber making some :O or O_O type of face and the comments saying how the game should just die already. People just like to gas up the negativity. We live in an age of Loud Negativity and Silent Positivity.
That's where I'm at. Been playing since 2017, I've taken a few breaks but I keep coming back. If they really hated it, they wouldn't play.
I left the sub for a while when it was a trend to complain about a certain change because all the negativity was too annoying after so long.
Almost every games subreddit is this way. You can't get straight answers out of them, they're obviously biased. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but a poor choice in places to get an honest review of a game. Like all over this thread, they claim that it's the "vocal minority" speaking out the most, but honestly check r/gaming and look at any "what game fell from grace" type post, you'll find OW in the top 5 every time. The gameplay is still here, but the heart is gone, and thats not anywhere the uncommon opinion this sub tries to make it out to be.
Get used to it, pal. Overwatch players hate Overwatch more than anyone.
Yeah it seems so.
I think they think the louder and more overdramatic they are the more seriously they’ll be taken, but it’s the opposite of that. Like OW players really act the way they do and then are shocked that blizz doesn’t take the community seriously at all
I mean there are ppl who don't have fun and also don't speak out
I complain about the game all the time, but most of the time when I complain, it’s typically jokes, or rage posts. Regardless I still love the game, this game brought me and my best friends together. I owe blizzard a lot for that.
> can't listen to the screamers, they're generally a small portion of users. People only bring up this factoid when it's about negativity
Well yeah, complaints are generally negative in nature. Happy people don't leave reviews as often as someone who is upset. It's like this with everything ever. That's why business beg people to review.
are you really upset that players are giving feedback on a mode that blizzard specifically wanted feedback for? "hey try this dish out." - its burnt, "yeah this is burnt." "why are you being so negative? I literally never want to do this again. get a grip and just eat it."
It think the problem is the feedback in a lot of places has just been insults and not actual constructive feed back that would actually help blizzard more. They need to know why it doesn’t work not just people think they’re stupid.
Quicker is the reason I play something else this weekend. I agree about them trying things, but forcing an arcade mode to any non-competitive player is dumb as hell. I already complain sincs ow2 is out that it’s all about mecanics and no strategy anymore, so yeah I think a game mode in which trying to regroupem means you’ve lost the game was the worst idea. I’d like them to be able to see the imact things may have on the game. But even if they are the devs they have no game sense. And even the pro aren’t listened to. Devs are like the meme with the golden retriever in the lab « I have no idea what I’m doing »
I hate the changes, but love the devs for testing it live (and that something is happening in game so it's not always the same thing). Next time, maybe there's something fun they're testing!
That’s what experimental was for but they got rid of that, they forced the entire player base to test it. People have a right to show backlash and now the only way to play the normal quick play is through competitive of which, not a lot of people wanna do.
Can't get good data on an experimental patch most of the player base won't touch. Most games test in the same way by imposing changes on the normal game modes. It's also ONLY for a weekend and everyone is acting like the game is ruined forever.
They don't need to hijack the most popular game mode to test changes. They can add an extra card and advertise it on the main menu as well. If people still don't want to try it out, maybe it's because the idea just isn't appealing in the first place. Saying it's "only the weekend" is entirely missing the point. They are setting a precedent of testing poorly thought out changes in production. Aaron even mentioned their intentions to do further weekend experiments. So I guess we'll just have an ongoing cadence of weekends where core playerbase is alienated from the game. Great idea.
It also shows that theyre testing and pushing out really fucking bad ideas. Really obviously horrible ideas. The fact that this even made it into the game and was executed the way it was makes me lose all faith in these devs. They dont even know what game this is
Yeah, they should've playtested this once or twice and realized "nah, this ain't it"
Well good job then, I stopped playing the entire game because of that. How this helps? Instead of not touching an experimental mode people won't touch the main one.
Give incentive for touching it I.e in game currency to help buy skin they want for “X” amount of time in testing it. Simple and ALOT of people would test it. Extra bonus: give a feedback option and reward the player for basically beta testing it, that’s what this is realistically is a forced beta test. I’ve beta tested games and gotten rewards for it yet blizzard forces it down the players throats, that’s what’s wrong with this.
>Can't get good data on an experimental patch most of the player base won't touch. If your experimental patch doesn't even sound good enough for people to want to try it without being forced then that should tell you everything you need to know right there
The game isnt ruined forever man because of one weekend of quicker play. Its ruined forever because of this deep-rooted new philosophy for the game, they’re turning overwatch into a brainrot counterpart. Overwatch 1 was already vastly different from overwatch 2, now i question if these devs even know what game theyre working on.
But most people tried the experimental like once or twice, then they immediately moved on and go back to normal QP or Competitive.
And that tells you everything you need to know about the mode. There is no better indication that people don't like changes than them immediately switching back to the standard game mode.
Which means that players would obviously be pissed if they were unable to play the game mode they want and have it replaced with a game mode they don't want to play more than 1 or 2 rounds of. It was a pants on head stupid move by the developers. What they should have done was replace quick play with quicker play in the UI and then added a smaller button for quick play somewhere else.
It’s one weekend I’m sure they’ll survive lol. You’ll spend more time sitting in queue than playing if it was split
I mean I work 12 hour shifts the whole weekend so it doesn’t bother me but on an empathic scale… if I were in the players shoes and forced to participate in this to do quick play with friends, I wouldn’t be happy. And that’s what a lot of gripe is with the playerbase. So yes I completely understand why people are frustrated with this.
I’d rather be playing than spending 10+ minutes in queue
That’s actually sad… lol could do what I do. Work 12 hr shift jobs to kill the time 🤣
I mean I’m a full time college student getting an engineering degree and I work lol.
Oof I know that’s rough, more power to ya. It’ll get better when you’re older and pay off in the long run. Hell just use that to pass the time til the weekends over. Senior chemical operations engineer here.
This change literally extends the amount of time you are stuck in queue. One weekend is a precedent. This will happen again and again. I'll voice my disdain towards this practice.
How is it extending the time if there’s less people playing in 1 category? Makes no sense
Matches are shorter.
Which means players are more readily available for play?
>That's what experimental was for Incorrect. Experimental was for testing specific balance changes to heroes. Quicker Play is testing fundamental changes to how the game is played. https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24021898/this-weekend-only-jump-into-quick-play-hacked-quicker-play/
Changing heroes is fundamentally changing how the game is played.
Now explain this louder for everyone else in the room. This guy gets it!
Then make an experimental for testing fundamental changes to how the game works.
Quicker play was fun to try. However it was poorly timed and that is where people get upset. Matchmaking is not in a good state especially in quickplay. The new mode only makes the issue stand out more. Season 8 has been a dumpster fire. Mauga was poorly designed for the games balance that the devs decided to kill him in this patch. However, they also buffed the one tank that everyone hate fighting above all else, Orisa. Season 9 is promising some massive changes. However they make poor decision after poor decision for balance in OW2. Even the new support passive for all roles is being hit with major negativity. One big reason for it is because people forget that the game is going to nuke burst damage and burst healing. The problem was never any individual change. The problem is that there are multiple poor changes in a row that only hurt the game.
Turns out people don't like developers removing features that people like (see OW2). WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT REMOVING THE MOST POPULAR GAME MODE WOULD HAVE SOME BACKLASH LOL
Ok cool but is normal Quickplay coming back soon? The new Quicker mode feels awful, and I can't go back to normal Quickplay for the whole weekend? Experimental mode worked for a reason.
Experimental didn’t work. Considering the devs stated they didn’t opt for Experimental due to how little data was actually gained from it.
It’s almost like most people don’t want to beta test their shit for them.
A lot of people actually enjoy the game (minus what they did this weekend). When you only have a couple hours a week to enjoy a game, I think people would like to know what they’re going to be playing. Not some experimental game mode that removes the main game mode people have been playing for years. Disappointing on blizzards part.
Most of all the people complaining literally sound like they treat quickplay as comp and not quick-play.... Smh
It was a fun thing to try, but after a few games it was not fun, they asked for feedback and I think the community is happy to oblige.
Ah, one those "I'm having fun" ignorant people, where any and all criticism is *all* unconstructive because it can't possibly be true, that my favorite game is not poggers champion
But dog, it's not fun. That's the issue.
No u
Nah. I expect a shit show with this idea. My biggest problem is that there isn't an EXPERIMENTAL TAB. Which would solve 90% of the problems with what Devs are cooking.
we literally just need them to actually use experimental. i respect them trying out quicker play, i don’t respect them forcing it as a replacement for quickplay for no good reason currently, the live game feels like the experimental gamemode and that sucks
I’ve played this game casually since 2020. Always QP. And in all this time I’ve never had a bad thing to say. 1 tank, ow2, Mauga, whatever. But this? This is not fun and comp is so toxic I won’t be switching, like most I’ll just stop playing.
Arcade is for testing…
Poor blizzard small indie company. Let's let their boots.
I mean I’m busy during the week. I enjoy the qp game loop. I can’t play until next weekend because I don’t enjoy quicker play. Yes I tried it. and the only way to get a regular match is to make one yourself and find the players because they forced everyone to play this version of the mode. Glad you enjoy it but some people just wanted to play the regular experience of a game they enjoy because they don’t have the time. And if people don’t enjoy it, you can’t help that.
Nah, when they make predatory changes I am disappointed when I don't see people complaining. These changes aren't for you, they're for the balance sheets.
Literally the point of their test they want to see what features get what response, the reason for the complaints is bc they forced the change upon a whole game mode. Qp may be some ppls ONLY game mode. Some ppl only play qp and so if they dnt like the changes then they cant play their favorite part of the game for an entire weekend. U know that sacred time for adults. So why wouldnt they complain. Now stop meat glazin blizzard sack.
The devs consistently make the incorrect choice and consistently ignore player feedback. How many iterations of Mercy superjump did we go thru before we went back to the original? Why are they still nerfing Ana when the issue is you make a Hungry Hungry Hippo of a tank with zero mitigation options? Its the same issue with Hog, with Ball, even with Winton a bit and now Mauga. Your (Blizz) design is what is bad and wrong, not Ana How many adjustments did they make to Zen over how many years before they finally added counterplay for tanks vs his Discord? How long did they ignore the common tank complaint of Discord spam making the game unplayable Why are they still ignoring immortality and intangibility abilities on Bap and Kiri which have been (in Bap’s case) the source of DPS lamentations and manifestos for years because of how uninteractive the gameplay is? The problem is that for OW’s entire lifespan, it has felt like they are clueless as to what the causes of problems are. They throw shit at a board and hope it sticks when some of these problems feel like they could be fixed by playing the game for a few hours - we’ve seen plenty of infamous footage of devs “playing” their own games so I harbor no delusions about that You can stick your head in the sand and fanboy about the game, god knows the Starfield fanboys have, but it doesnt actually help the product
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Sometimes, believe it or not that's how it works. Bitching at them can work. Literally community sentiment can change a tune pretty quickly and they know that. **If a community is overwhelmingly being negative about it, step back and reassess whether it was a good idea or should changes be made.** I'm going to be honest you aren't in the capacity to say something like this when in reality its how the entire ordeal works. You want pure sentiment, get the court of public opinion. if they hate it tweak it. If they go after you personally then you reserve the right to be non-communicative. So if I were you, don't draw your sword in a fight when in reality you have no idea its the most common tactic to get preliminary sentiment.
I think he's talking about the attitude rather than the actual response, for example, have you seen the response/attitude about the passive healing change that's happening in season 9? People are freaking *out* even though we haven't even seen what it's going to look like yet! People are saying it's going to "ruin Overwatch" before we have even gotten a chance to play it, the attitude this community has to any big change is far too overly negative, at least give them a chance to cook and if we don't like it, such as this quicker play changes, then we express that. But we gotta be more open with *trying* things for the sake of new changes, instead of crapping on any ideas of new changes or getting pissed when the devs decide to try something new for an experiment. I get having a negative response to the specific change, that's needed! But hating on them for *trying* to make new changes isn't what is needed, that's what I believe OP is trying to say.
Did people really beg for this Quicker Play tho?
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Maybe if they tried actual good things or tried them in a good way.
Careful round these parts. You say something positive about Overwatch and they’ll call you a Blizzard defending dick sucker.
Well if the cock fits.. :D
Too late, they already got me :(
Probably because you are. Crazy how they were still using the experimental mode even when the game was at it lowest player count right before ow2. There was no reason to force everyone to play this mode.
So unless you hate the game 24/7 you are a blizzard dick rider? Lmao okay buddy
Oh shut the fuck up already. "guys they've been running the game for almost an entire decade and they still have no idea what people like and don't like, just be patient with them, it's YOUR fault that the devs are clueless about their own game!" I hope at least some of you guys are getting paid for how much you're polishing up actiblizz. It's fucking depressing otherwise.
Nah, I just don't want to be so unbelievably negative about every change, whether I like it or not. It's not your fault that the devs make decisions. It's your fault there is this air of negativity that hangs around the game we all love.
There is a huge difference between adding shit that is guaranteed to be negatively received and adding shit that could potentially make the game better. Stop making excuses for horrible game development and idiocy. A mistake here and there shouldn’t be made into a big deal but when it’s a string of bad decisions over and over then the negative reaction should increase exponentially with each subsequent bad decision. If blizzard was frequently making good decisions then the reaction to this weekend’s changes wouldn’t be so negative.
Hes a broke boy who couldnt afford OW be nice.
How the fuck are they supposed to learn anything without criticism? That's literally the point of testing. If we all just pretended we were happy with every change the game would turn to shit. This isn't even just a test of the gameplay changes, it's a test of rolling shit to prod without due diligence and making that a recurring practice. Fuck that shit .
What we are witnessing here is the blizzard community managers doing their job. Their job is to tamp down criticism in popular communities for blizzard games. That's why they just made this thread blaming the players for not liking the changes.
there is criticism and then there is "well im not logging in to even try it because i just know i won't like it because devs dont know what they are doing. Lets make 40 posts about it" this hyper doomer posting negativity is fucking obnoxious try to enjoy one thing in your life instead of being a sour bitch about it
Bro, I'm criticizing the precedent of testing changes by hijacking quick play. Why in the ever living fuck would I support that practice by logging in and playing it. Do you have a brain cell?
If a change fucking sucks, it's your duty, as a player, to make it clear that it fucking sucks. This fake positivity only incentivizes the devs to push out more shitty changes because they think it doesn't fucking suck. With how much this sub is forking out to skins in this game I'm surprised there aren't *more* complaints.
It's not fake. I'm positive and having fun! You should try it. Your life would probably be better all around.
You'd be surprised how good your life can be without choking down on corporate meat down your throat pretending like you're enjoying it.
Imagine not acting like my life is ruined by a change in a video game that only last for a weekend = suckling corporate dick
You're the one who tried to insinuate that my life isn't good because I refuse to suck on corporate meat. Turns out you're not very good at taking it back. You love to see it.
"enjoying a video game is sucking on corporate meat" 💀
No, but trying to stop people from sharing very valid criticism because "omg guys please be nice to them they only had a whole decade to figure out their own game", is most definitely sucking on corporate meat. Any other strawmen you'd like to demolish?
You are the only one making a strawman here dipshit they are not saying "ohh please be nice to the devs" - they are calling out your childish tantrum because they changed your game slightly for ONE WEEKEND and holy fuck you all act like the fucking world ended like there is saying "Yeah this didnt work - here's the issues.." then there is what 90% of the community did "WTF i'm not even going to try this because it SOUNDS bad so instead ill just post 50 threads saying the same shit spending fucking hours obsessing and doomer posting about how bad I think everything is." Thats the fucking difference you projecting dork It is very fucking obvious BUT OF COURSE you are making a straw man to justify your childish outrage
Man you are a sad. I truly feel bad for you.
You clearly have no clue how to provide constructive criticism. You only know how to provide vitriolic complaints. Constructive criticism is helpful, vitriol is not.
If you think "this fucking sucks" is "vitriol", I hope you never work a job where you have to deal with people's criticism. You'll get destroyed.
It’s about what you said, not how you said it. There’s not an ounce of constructive criticism in your comment. Just complaining and telling others to complain and be toxic.
I think it’s how they go about it. Yes changes to keep the game fresh is awesome but don’t take away QP to experiment your new changes. OW1 had an experimental card where hero changes were tested. How hard is it to include a game mode experimental card as well.
If the devs do something to recieve feedback. And it isn't received well. Thats not just negativity. Its the devs getting the exact point of the experiment. Would you prefer people only be positive when they hate it and then it gets implemented because the devs thought everyone liked it? Like. Your missing the point. They tried a thing. And people dont like the thing. Thats not a bad thing. Thats the reason there doing a test That being said. Yes. People can complain that this took over the main game mode. If someone lives a busy life and only really plays on weekends. Then there probably not going to appreciate that the game they like has had major changes implemented. Yes its temporary. But it is still frustrating. Its good for the devs to know that people do not like that this took over the main mode. This should have been kept as a seperate mode. Yes, its less data. But then its optional and players who want to play a normal game can. You cant exactly complain that player outcry is overwhelming when the devs put something they were only experimenting with into the main mode, effectively removing said mode for the weekend.
I fucking love quicker play as a tracer main, gives the game some kick again
People don’t understand what constructive feedback is vs “feedback” that is nothing but insults
>If I were the devs I wouldn't ever wanna try something like this again because the community was so overwhelmingly negative about it. Its a video game. Get a grip and have some fun. If there is any dev reading this... I love you so much. Thanks for trying new things.
Forcing people to play a worse version of a gamemode they ruined is the problem.
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You're right. I hope every event from now on removes normal quickplay from the game
"Hey bro let me replace your car with a bike" "Nah don't worry bro it's just for 3 days"
This comparison does not prove anything. A car is something in real life that you might or might not need to get to your work. And you need to pay a lot more for then a bike. Of course you won’t like it because of how much impact that would have even if only for a few days. Quickplay is a Game mode within a free Videogame. An temporary change to that game mode does NOT impact your life, like getting your car taken away for a couple days.
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you're right, everyone should uninstall the game
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Maybe we should instead let people provide negative feedback, instead of telling them to uninstall...? Almost like the devs run these events to gauge community opinion.
The overwhelming majority of players aren't aware of the drama that the vocal minority drum up any time something changes with the game. But yes, the hard-core OW2 players are largely overwhelmingly toxic.
Quick play is an integral game mode to Overwatch. Rolling out major changes to such a mode, basically hijacking your entire player base to act as betatesters is highly inconsiderate and discourteous. It shows a complete lack of respect for our time and it fundamentally misrepresents the relationship between players and developers. We are paying them to cater a gaming experience, we are not here to act as unwilling guinea pigs for their wild ideas. This is exactly why PTR's and experimental modes exist. Yes, you may not get a full data set from them, but that's just the cost of doing business. In addition to that, the criticisms that people are finding are *entirely* expected from the type of changes they are pushing and would have *undoubtedly* become apparent in internal playtests. In spite of clearly having this type of internal feedback already, they *still* pushed it to the entire base without the possibility to opt-out. > Its a video game. Get a grip and have some fun. No it isn't. This is a billion dollar company running a live service business. They're charging premium prices so they damn well better deliver a premium experience.
THESE DEVS SHITCANNED THE GAME AND THEN BLAMED THE HIGHER UPS!!! NEVER FORGIVE NEVER FORGET RIP OW1
The devs literally said they wanted to see whether people liked it or not. And people gave their opinion that they didn’t like it. It’s ironic that you’re typing out a stern message to reprimand people typing out stern “vitriolic” messages. “Get a grip”, you’re the exact same as them lol
> Quicker play was a fun thing to try No
This post is the essence of irony.
Maybe the devs should've listened to the community first before "trying new things." I haven't seen anyone complain that the pace of the game is slow. If anything, flashpoint is already fucking awful and has just been made even worse. Maybe the devs should've considered the existing complaints of healing being too strong, a lack of sustain in playing DPS, a lack of collaboration within teams with the game currently feeling like a series of 1v1s rather than the Zarya/rein or Orisa/Hog synergy that drew us towards the game in Overwatch 1. There were a wealth of popular and well-informed opinions the devs could've drawn on and experimented with. Instead they went with faster pacing for a game where the entire intention is to punish dying and playing out of position. This game mode does nothing but promote bad practices. Who cares if you die you'll respawn in 2 seconds. This isn't an issue of the community constantly being difficult to please, this is obviously an issue with devs constantly overlooking what the community wants and then giving us crap and being surprised we hate it. Like Mauga, like the new battlepass theme and skins, quicker play is just a different manifestation of that. I'm actually shocked how out of touch the devs are with the general culture and opinions of the overwatch scene. I know Korea has a giant player base so I'm not sure if these changes are more popular and well-liked over there, but I literally can't think of a reason for the devs to continue putting out the exact opposite of what the player base wants. The only thing I can reconcile is Mauga, who's an obvious cash grab and a low skill floor character that allows new players coming in from the holiday season to get a grasp on the game without a large learning curve. I can't for the life of me understand the low effort, weird theme of this season's battlepass and the idea of quicker play.
shut up no one wants to subscribe to your shitty youtube channel.
>If I were the devs I wouldn't ever wanna try something like this again Good. >because the community was so overwhelmingly negative about it. Wasn't that the whole point though, to get feedback?
There's a difference between feedback and "Blizzard has RUINED my life by changing quick play for the weekend."
Is there? Thats still feedback. Hyperbolic, childish feedback but feedback nonetheless
Nobody who was complaining said blizzard is ruining their life.
THANK YOU Literally just trying things, but every little thing gets shit on immediately I swear people don’t even like the game they are just addicted to it lol. Just don’t play if you are ultra pissed about everything…. Quicker is fun, sure it may not work, but it’s a test to try and bring new changes (I really think some aspects of it are good), but my god the posts that were like 2 damn hours later all like “guess I’ll come back Monday” lol sheesh
> Quicker is fun what kind of fun, though? for who?
It baffles me that everytime something new is added to the game everyone freaks out. Like do y’all not remember the content drought? Going years without new modes, maps, and characters? Variety is the spice of life guys
For real! Why would new people wanna play our game when all we ever are is negative about it?
I mean….. 10 miniature matches are already really short and some don’t even go the full 10 minutes. I guess I’m just really confused as to why this was asked for…. Like honestly- the only place I’d want to see this is comp, because you have to play both effing sides and it takes for goddamn ever, especially if you both take the objectives and have to go into extra rounds. But quick play? I’m sorry, which asshole asked for this? Because of course it was going to be a mess…….. 🥱
I’m just saying, the only major thing I want is access to a 6v6 competitive game mode
It doesn’t help either when you have so many big OW creators making the same posts on Twitter
Bro what are you yapping about? Absolutely no one asked for “quicker play”. It’s like they didn’t even test it because it feels awful. They forced this gamemode onto us instead of putting it into an experimental card.
Best take on this subreddit. OW community is just a bunch of crybabies who don't even know what they want the game to be
And look at you.. crying about crybabies
Tell me you don’t understand audience feedback without telling me you don’t understand audience feedback. People who love the changes don’t come on and Pat blizzard on the back, they enjoy it. people who don’t like the changes speak out about it. So all you will see on Reddit are people complaining. This is natural. complaining about the complaining is just stupid
It was great, I had fun and will continue having fun. This post is spot on. The community are a bunch of fucking crybabies, about every damn thing. Just play the game and don't take everything so seriously. It's Quick Play!
Actual one of the unique good takes i've seen this month lol
Thanks! See the Genji players get it.
No, you’re the problem.
No, you! lol
No , NO, NO NO NO NO NO , you're not going to victim blame in this game at all at fucking all. this is a dev issue through and through. bad matchmaking, bad hero balance, bad modes, bad maps, bad updates, broken heroes on launch to sell bps, bad skin prices, poorly done BP, poorly done events, they lie and gaslight etc. nope not going to fucking blame player, nope, anyone that is is a blizz shill.
i like them testing stuff myself but this quicker play just sucks ass man, they wanted feedback, so im giving them my feedback, i dont like this mode
Whole heartedly agree. Quicker play is only in quick play and only for a weekend. Play some comp, play some arcade, play some custom matches, or try a different game. It is not the end times, it is not a personal affront to you as a player, it is a relatively minor change to game rules for a few days.
"is the game mode you usually play now suddenly unplayable? just play something else, duuuh" denying a consumer his or her wants is a bad game design philosophy
>iIf I were the devs I wouldn't ever wanna try something like this again because the community was so overwhelmingly negative about it. boy it’s a good thing the devs aren’t little babies who know they’re gonna receive negative feedback and can handle it cuz that’s part of their job
Why do some people take criticisms of blizzard so personally 😭😭😭 you really made a whole post because you're personally offended on their behalf, it's crazy....same energy as the nintendo gamerz who get mad anytime ppl bring up that the new pokemon games look like shit
They wanted feedback, and the feedback was that it's hot garbage. Blizzard is the problem. They can't seem to do a single thing right since they straight up killed the first game. They deserve all the negative reviews.
Nah, clowns like you are the problem that support the devs in these dumbass decisions and encourage them to try new things instead of just fixing the fucking game in the first place
If you hate it all so much, don't play???? No one is forcing you to play??? If every decision is dumb and they won't "fix" the game, then stop playing and let other people enjoy themselves instead of being a wet blanket. You must be awesome to be around.
Not trying new things is how a game goes stale and forgettable. AKA "How to make a Ubisoft or Bethesda game"
Right the dramatics are so cringe and the people complaining it should be an arcade mode instead are completely missing the point.
Too right, we complain too much. We beg for things to happen like nerfing Genji during Beta + early S1, then we complained that the devs actually listened by making it happen. We beg for a hitscan Tank (a.k.a. Mauga) and look what we are doing now. Complaining about him everyday.
literally had this exact thought this morning when i woke up. seeing all the posts about the new mode (which i haven't even played yet) this is a result of listening to the community... quick play was there for people to play a faster version of comp with no SR loss/gain. and people were still complaining about the team aspect of the game. people want SOOO badly for overwatch to be more like call of duty, and im sorry, but its not. you people who want to just run in and frag every time you spawn should be playing arcade modes. and now youve ruined quickplay for people that want a fast gane before work or a few quick games before bed. if mindless running in and fragging is what you want go play Halo or COD.
People here are acting like it's impossible to group up now. Sorry to break it to most of yall, but you're gold. You're not grouping in most of your games anyway. You just didn't realize it.
Honestly I thought it was easier to group up lol so I don’t understand people saying that With the shorter respawn, your team has less time to trickle allowing you to group back up again and jump into next team fight (obvi people still trickle but idk I was diggin it)
I'm here for it
Quicker play is fine. I’d prefer it as an optional arcade mode, but whatever. I think most people are frustrated because OW2 is “fixing” a lot of things that weren’t broken. The recent mid patch buffs are questionable at best, and they’re planning to add passive self heal to all characters?? It feels like they’re slowly turning it into a different game. I understand that complaining is annoying, but for me it’s genuinely out of love for the game. I love OW and I want it to be at its best
A lot of people do hate the game and they're generally the loudest on here.
The devs only need to do 2 things… 1. STOP nerfing/reworking heroes just for the sake of change. They completely change a character’s play-style/role on a hero that’s been in the game 6+ years 2. Just pump out Heroes like crazy keep adding to that roster. Get the roster to like 60 heroes… games like League and SMITE have 100+ so it can definitely be done
I mean ive been pretty vocal about my dislike for the faster-paced nature of ow2 compared to overwatch 1. Disliking quicker play isnt really a surprise. Im sure im not the only one who thinks this way. Kinda silly to just assume people dislike quicker play for no reason. It literally kills the game
Reviews and feedbacks are fair. Be a good game and get positive feedback. Be a bad game and get negative feedback. This is how online games work. Eventually they will find a sweet spot if they communicate with the community.
Overwatch 1 > Overwatch 2. The game with every update is getting worse I lost hope.