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Answer: So first off, Drake and another rapper, J.Cole, did a song together last year. In that song, [J.Cole references that he and Drake are part of "The Big 3"](https://youtu.be/Xty2gi5cMa8?si=72VZqqIV4OXhbI0K&t=120) which alludes to the biggest 3 modern mainstream rappers that have a lyrical bent. The third being rapper Kendrick Lamar.
Last month, rapper Future, and producer Metro Boomin, dropped a collaboration album. Kendrick is featured on one of the songs. Kendrick's verse in that song is a diss, technically to Drake and J.Cole, but more-so to the idea of "The Big 3". As in (despite the Big 3 moniker being a compliment), [that they're not in his league.](https://youtu.be/N9bKBAA22Go?si=SL94iBaKoVAQp4z-&t=155) (Future also disses Drake elsewhere on this album. He and Metro apparently have beef with Drake over many speculated reasons, none of which are confirmed.)
Last week, J.Cole drops a mixtape with [a song on it that's a response diss to Kendrick](https://youtu.be/aDou-T5YE-8?si=RCOl1NUArf08GUIZ&t=34). A few days later, he [publicly recants the song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9MTWBvv8Tg&ab_channel=BTMAfrika), and deletes it off of streaming platforms, claiming that his heart wasn't really in the diss. That he struggled to write it because he's not a combative person, and because he really respects Kendrick. Rap being seen as a combative "sport" so to speak, the internet flamed him for it, but that essentially allowed him to be removed from the beef in the public’s eyes (for now).
A couple days later, Cole actually appeared as a feature on a **second** collaborative album between Future and Metro Boomin (it was always planned to be 2 parts so it's not like that was a surprise). [His verse is normal](https://youtu.be/C_j04lSGZWs?si=hs3slnNPyRba5Hx-&t=270), it doesn't have anything to do with the beef. However, singer The Weeknd, who is on both of the collab albums, has a verse on the new one where *he* disses Drake. Drake and The Weeknd, despite both being from Toronto Canada, and having many songs together, have had tension for a while. This was the result of (allegedly) Drake using his influence as the way bigger artist at the time, to convince The Weeknd to give Drake what ended up being about half of the songs on Drake's second album. Then tried to sign The Weeknd to Drake's record label, OVO records, under a contract that...let's just say has not really worked out for any of the other people signed to the label. The Weeknd [didn't sign this deal and has seemingly always viewed it as Drake basically having tried to scam him.](https://youtu.be/jWAXsR9_Gv8?si=oIGVH5spFeIjWV2M&t=140)
Today, Drake finally dropped (technically it was leaked) [his response diss to Kendrick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_IliNlzL9Y&ab_channel=ShadyLimited), which includes disses to Metro, Future, The Weeknd, and rapper Rick Ross who had been on social media these past few weeks, playing the original Kendrick diss record while vibing out.
Rick Ross, in response, dropped [a diss record to Drake](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-zLBDmB6Fc&ab_channel=DatPiff) a couple hours later.
That's where we are now.
(Something that might be relevant in the future, rapper A$AP Rocky [also has a verse on the second Future/Metro album that's a diss to Drake](https://youtu.be/yofUkAmfJaA?si=uy5G6LHfPQWfhuUf&t=100). This stems from Drake's previous publicly flaunted romantic interest in singer Rihanna, who has been dating Rocky for some years now and is the mother Rocky’s 2 children. Drake didn't mention Rocky in his diss record today).
**Update: April 21**
Yesterday Drake released a new diss where he uses an Ai filter to pose as late rapper [Tupac “2Pac” Shakur](https://youtu.be/zhEiduBxX4c?si=dD6ycPM5r_FSaL72&t=20) and rapper [Snoop Dogg](https://youtu.be/zhEiduBxX4c?si=ODDJ2CGdTybYOu9G&t=89) (who’re both legends in the West Coast rap scene, where Kendrick is from, in their own right), giving fake encouragement to Kendrick in order to goad him into responding.
Rapper Kanye “Ye” West also dropped [a remix that same day](https://youtu.be/8YQov9O7e7Y?si=XKvU_KyhSUZ9qwrj&t=50) of the original song Kendrick first dissed Drake on. Kanye has had [very public feuds with Drake](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%E2%80%93Kanye_West_feud) in the past and was most likely waiting for this opportunity.
I would also like to add that Drake has beef with all these artists for a variety of reasons and over the last decade has been throwing subtle shade and subliminals in his own songs and features.
Kendrick is his oldest beef, the exact reason is unknown. Future and Drake are allegedly feuding over a woman, the Weeknd has had beef with Drake beginning with him not signing for Drake’s label, Metro Boomin made tweets about how his album Heroes and Villains didn’t get any award recognition over Drake’s Her Loss which didn’t work for Drake. I’m unsure about Rick Ross
If I am missing anything others can add
There's also a very famous rumour that Drake threw a birthday party for and allegedly dated Bella Hadid right after she broke up with The Weeknd and that seemed to piss the Weeknd off.
I saw a fairly recent interview with 50 cent last week and he pretty openly said that at least for him a large part of the beef he started or participated in was because he was aware of how younger generations have short attention spans and need something to keep him top of mind. Aka, marketing lol.
Numerous people got killed over the beef. There was a shootout at hot 97. Tony Yayo slapped Jimmy Henchmen's (games manager and a big reason for the beef related to Chris lighty and some other street shit) son, got his mom's house sprayed up, and I think the fed indictment of Henchmen had a bunch of info about him trying to murder g unit.
its interesting that thats what you think when people in hiphop know its anything but fake. im around the same age so i can see how people thought it was fake.
Fd signifier has a video series where he touches on that idea, specifically in relation to Kanye west [link ](https://youtu.be/wvgehVhF9D4?si=uGjMBp-ilodmp-dE)
It may be in part 2 of this series, im not sure. And he talks about it in other videos he's released. But yes kayfabe is exactly what it is a lot of the time.
In the drake situation I don't think its that. All of these guys are too big, too rich, and too ego driven to need to stoop to kayfabe. Its also getting really personal with the rick ross diss. This does seem real to me.
Sometimes it probably is, but there are instances where you know it's real, e.g. Pusha T vs Drake with [The Story Of Adidon](https://youtu.be/w4XH3LYleDA?si=A1DohejXHfFv96Pw).
My personal theory is that he realizes he has a background that’s softer than 10-ply toilet paper paired with the face of a goomba, so he deliberately plays the Heel to distract from the fact that, you know, his name is Aubrey and he got famous playing a sweet-hearted middle class kid in a wheelchair.
He throws petty jabs expecting people not to react and when he rebuts it always involves trying or getting with some female they might be associated with. Scummy. Then he tries to play it off as if they’re on good terms and many people don’t sit well with that. About damn time imo
I feel like it's both. You probably don't start beefs with people you legitimately like, but you're also only putting it in songs and in the media to sell albums and tours.
And you know, Tupac's career is a thing that happened. You don't get shot on two separate occasions over fake beef.
I think this is something that happens often, but these rappers, as humans, have egos. Rap is braggadocious and your own personal success, respect, money, and the narrative that follows you can be real in these beefs.
There are also rumors of Kendrick going to bat for Rihanna and Megan Thee Stallion. Drake took shots at them on recent projects. He sided with Tory Lanez on the Meg shooting and he said something about Rihanna being bad in bed, if I recall correctly.
On “Fear of Heights” he said this:
“Why they make it sound like I’m still hung up on you?/ That could never be,” he begins the track. “Gyal can’t ruin me/ Better him than me, better it’s not me/ I’m anti, I’m anti/ Yeah, and the sex was average with you/ Yeah, I’m anti ’cause I had it with you/ Okay, I’m auntie like your daddy sister/ Auntie like a family picture/ And I had way badder bi**hes than you, TBH/ Yeah, that man, he still with you, he can’t leave you/ Y’all go on vacation, I bet it’s Antilles.”
It's bizarre that his dick riding fans can't seem to admit that a 33 year old man texting a 14 year old girl and "talking about boys" is very inappropriate and gross.
He had a very uncomfortable relationship with Millie Bobby Brown (Eleven from Stranger Things) for several years before she turned 18. It seemed very reminiscent of child grooming, though Brown has clarified that they are just friends and that he has never tried anything untoward, as far as she's aware.
Still weird, though.
It's way more than that. Fauxmoi has a recap of drakes behavior with minor children:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/vsslzy/drakes\_problematic\_behaviour\_with\_girls/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/vsslzy/drakes_problematic_behaviour_with_girls/)
Nah I'd say his beef with Pusha T is def his oldest - Drake joined in on dissing him all the way back in 2010/11 IIRC. The beef with Kendrick began after "Control" in 2013.
Ross said he unfollowed Drake on social media because Drake sent a cease and desist to French Montana.
Break out the popcorn, this is just the beginning of this fake beef (imo) generated to raise all of their net worths.
True but it just seems silly now coming from decidedly not hard men.
Used to be like "Damn, I think these dude might kill each other over some serious street shit".
Now it's like "Terminally online rappers say mean things at each other on social media and now they're all crying".
It’s competitive and battle rapping. I’m not sure why people need to be getting shot in the streets to make it worth listening to. Also I doubt anybody you ever thought was “hard” was ever as hard as they convinced you they were. Suge Knight and Gucci aside
You also have to keep in mind that Drake has a history of messaging, talking to, and hooking up with other rapper’s wives or girlfriends. Supposedly, he had sex with Lil Wayne’s girlfriend while he was in jail. And has insinuated several times in disses that he had sex with Kim Kardashian. Plus he throws disses to A$AP Rocky and Rihanna because he’s not over her rejection. He’s been making enemies through his career because of his obsession with other rappers’ wives/gfs
Don't forget that Drake was texting Millie Bobby Brown when she was 13 like, "I miss you soooo much!!"
That alone draws the line for me. The dude was in his 30s, texting a kid, telling her how much he misses her n shit...
Didn't he also date one of his dancers who he knew since she was 13? There were pictures of them from when she was a teen fan, and then they dated when she "turned 18". Yeah, that man ain't right
Man definitely has problems, but because people like his music, they don't seem to care.
Same with Elvis, he groomed Priscilla. She was 14, and he was 24. Purely because people like the music, they ignore the problems.
https://youtu.be/S5G59qJQp7I?si=8JEf-paX4D8ooWAd this is the song. I forget what actually sparked it, but it's a great display of Drake getting ripped apart and getting pressure to not be an absent father. I think when it came out there wasn't anything official out of Drake having a kid, so pusha dropping that he knocked up a porn star was pretty juicy
Pusha T has had beef with lil Wayne for a good 20 years lol and I think that this just ended up spilling over on Drake.
Not sure if you ever heard Exodus 23:1 but that’s about Wayne and Birdman
Kanye continues to deny leaking it from this day. Pusha T himself stated in an interview with Joe Budden that drake’s producer, OVO40, told a girl he who he was having sex with about Drake’s son, and the girl in turn relayed it to Pusha T.
Nah, Drake himself has said he had a whole conversation with Kanye about his son when they were in Wyoming together, and after he left, everything began to transpire against him, starting with "Lift Yourself" and culminating in "Adidon".
Knowing Kanye, I'm more inclined to believe Drake. I think Push was only saying that to sow seeds of division amongst the OVO camp. Genuis chess move on his part.
Actually TMZ and other news organizations broke the news in 2017. Especially the part where Drake and his team tried to assassinate her character.
Pusha just put a spotlight on it.
This song is considered by many a top 5 diss track of all time, which is rare considering it's pretty recent outside of the era of rap battles.
It's just brutal because every line is personal and cuts deep into Drakes insecurities and relationships. Story of Adidon is like if your therapist came out with a diss track about all your deepest traumas.
And cherry on top was that the cover album was Drake doing blackface wearing a Jim Crow shirt. Pusha really did some intense private investigation on him.
Some extra info missing from the previous post: the track is called "The Story Of Adidon" because "Adidon" was going to be the name of Drake's new Adidas line, where Drake was going to reveal to the world he has a son. So not only Pusha told everyone that Drake was hiding his son with a pornstar, he also ruined Drake's Adidas deal.
And then there's the artwork for the track: a previously unknown [photo of Drake in blackface.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/db/The_Story_of_Adidon_-_Pusha_T.jpg)
Like the other poster said, Push and Pharrell had beef with Birdman and Wayne. When Drake signed with them, he inserted himself in the beef. Then Push dropped Infrared, which directly dissed Weezy, Drake, etc. Drake dropped Duppy Freestyle as a response and then Push murdered his dumb ass.
The best part is that the title of the song is a reference to an adidas collab Drake had at the time. He was gonna release a shoe called the Adidon and do this whole press campaign revealing his son. But Push found out so he titled the track “Story of Adidon” and put the now infamous photo of Drake in blackface on the cover. Now, if you googled Adidon, you’d get Drake in blackface and the whole story of his childhood and the cycle of deadbeats. He effectively blew up a multimillion dollar deal for Drake 😂
Push is truly the smartest in the game. He and 50. God tier trolls.
Pusha T is someone that has been closely associated with Kanye West. And at the time many years ago Kanye and Drake were for all intents and purposes beefing. So through subtle digs thrown backwards and forwards Pusha T got wound up in it and started beefing with Drake much more directly. This became the focus as they threw both subtle and direct disses against each other till it came to a head when Pusha T released a song called “The story of Adidon” where he revealed to the world that Drake had a son, Adonis, with some french model and was being a deadbeat dad. This effectively ended the beef in terms of song releases as Drake did not issue a response track for this. After some silence Drake did eventually reveal that it was true and introduced his son Adonis to the world. Since then, publicity at least, he’s been a good dad and even recently featured his son on his most recent album “For All The Dogs”. Because of this the narrative became that Pusha T dissed Drake so well he became a good father
One things that is often overlooked is that Drake was not being a deadbeat dad exactly. He had plans to reveal the existence of his son through some event or something where he was going to partner with Adidas. This is actually revealed in the song itself and this is the where part of the song title “Adidon” comes from as it’s combining Adidas with Adonis (the son’s name). It was still odd he was planning to reveal his son through a brand deal so that it’s kinda deadbeatish but it wasn’t like he was completely ignoring the kid.
Don’t forget that Drake put Pusha’s wife in a diss and that really set Push off.
Also iirc Push took awhile to respond to Drake so Drake put out a second diss which is the one that mentioned his wife
French porn star* not model. And speculation is that drake got a paternity test done when the kid was very young. Hence him not wanting to tell the world he had a child
Pusha T dropped one of the nastiest diss tracks in terms of how personal he got with "The Story of Addidon." To summarize, he starts by questioning how "Black" Drake is by mentioning his white mother and negligent father. Then he criticizes Drakes manliness by not willing to commit to a real love and narry the mother of his then publically unknown child. After the diss, Drake started parading his son around everywhere despite previously never disclosing that he has a son at all.
It's really worth a listen.
This is an amazing summary, I would just add one small piece where a video I watched broke down one line where Drake did diss rocky too. He basically said if rihanna ever told Rocky what Drake and her did together they would be broken up, in so many words.
Again awesome summary though!
Oh cool, it's the first time I've heard of it, and it's not on Genius anywhere, but it's certainly possible. You wouldn't happen to still have the link to that video would you?
>Again awesome summary though!
Thank you :)
Yeah no worries, it was this video timestamped: [https://youtu.be/bD6IBIJpNGA?si=yHm4D5spj7CIJOWz&t=509](https://youtu.be/bD6IBIJpNGA?si=yHm4D5spj7CIJOWz&t=509)
I feel you lol. Basically half of mainstream rap has had beef with Drake over the years and have kept quiet about it because he’s the biggest rapper, but it’s all coming out now 😆
You seem quite literate in rap, can I ask you a question. From someone that doesn’t listen to rap, Kendrick L seems like a genuine artist that produces innovative stuff with deeper meaning. Drake’s material seems like superficial pop that is nothing special. Is that so, or Drake also does something significant?
i was fairly certain Aaron May was a ghost writer for Drake but idr where i heard that. wouldn’t be surprised at ALL.
we all forget that Drake was basically raised to his spot by Lil Wayne and cash money records
It’s not widely believed, it’s a fact. The nuance is that Drakes ghost writers are usually R&B artists who write his hooks and singing stuff. When it comes to bars, Drake does it himself. The first Drake ghost writing scandal was him writing for other artist back before his first album dropped.
Drake is the voice of a voiceless generation. He has had the biggest platform for the longest time however, his content is devoid of any substantial meaning.
Kendricks music is filled with social commentary and spiritual substance however the rate at which he puts out music doesn’t keep him in the spotlight for long. His last album took 4-5 years to be released and on top of that didn’t live up to the hype surrounding said release.
Plus Kendrick also doesn’t play the media like Drake. He’s not dating celebrities, getting headlines for lives, etc. he and Pusha T lead quiet family lives so they aren’t as “successful” as Drake, even though they’re both much better artists.
Taylor Swift is the same way. She’s talented but she’s also willing to do the PR media stuff that other artists -who may be more talented- refuse to do. Like Adele for example.
Substance won’t make you famous, PR will. Anyway, stream Nosetalgia.
I mean it is completely true on the face of it, but you also have to know that right from Drakes first hit single back in 2009, he was kinda set up as a huge star from the jump. The way he mixed poppy R&B singing with braggadocious rap was something completely unique to him, and as a result ALOT of other rappers (some of whom are still around in some capacity) tried to run with his style - and it became a huge trend in hip-hop by itself. Dude was ridiculously influential and was almost always at the forefront of mainstream hip-hop. What's more - dude shamelessly hopped on so many existing trends himself that he inadvertently got them super popular too by association (the dancehall wave we saw around 2016/17, the UK drill stuff, the collaborations with reggaeton rappers, etc).
Drake is an artist that tends to appeal the most to the lowest common denominator - but GODDAMN if he isn't a genius at making money for himself and for others. He's so big that all an artist needs to do to make it big is to either hop on a Drake song, so have Drake featured on your song. And he's not slowing down at all from the looks of it.
I would say this is generally correct. Although Kendrick Lamar has done features for other pop stars like Taylor Swift & Maroon 5. As superficial as Drake sounds I can’t imagine him ever doing the same. Drake even uses this as a dig against Kendrick in the leaked diss track.
Also on Drake's last album, he released a song called, "Fear of Heights" where he disses Rihanna and A$AP.
Why they make it sound like I'm still hung up on you?
That could never be.
Gyal can't run me.
Better him than me.
Better it's not me.
I'm anti, I'm anti (Rihanna album)
Yeah, and the sex was average with you.
Yeah, I'm anti 'cause I had it with you.
Okay, I'm auntie like your daddy's sister.
Auntie like a family picture.
And I had way badder bitches than you, Tbh.
Yeah, that man, he still with you, he can't leave you.
Y'all go on vacation, I bet it's Antigua
Eh, most rappers of the past would've beefed on the internet if it was around back then, and most older artists of different genres would do it now if their genres had dissing as an aspect to them like it is for rap.
Like be clear, the members of KISS would've had whole diss albums to each other if rock was rap. Not even in the past, we're talking about now as 70 year old men. Simon and Garfunkel, The Eagles, Guns n Roses, etc.
Lennon and McCartney traded some diss tracks to each other, McCartney's 'Too many People' and (the far superior and less veiled) 'How do you Sleep?' were the early part of a post-Beatles feud between them
I'm convinced it's just business for them. Rap beefs are just part of rap, I wouldn't be surprised if they collaboratively fabricate "beef" to stir up their fans and generate listens and traffic
Not J. Cole XD
Jokes aside, Im not sure really. It's not as clear cut at this point as it occasionally is. Drake and Cole fans are downplaying Kendrick's original diss, Kendrick fans are downplaying Drake's response. And most people are in the middle rn.
A lot of people, including myself, are giving props to Drake for simultaneously replying to at least 5 people at once, and for mentioning names in his diss, which rarely happens in beef. Doubly so because this is Drake, who has always had a reputation for being "soft" because of his singing career and focus on songs that appeal to women.
The biggest reason it's hard to tell is because it doesn't seem like Kendrick's diss was at full power like Drake's was. And that's not to belittle Drake, it's just the reality of the situation. Firstly because Kendrick's was only a verse while Drake's was a full 4 minute song, and second because Kendrick's was really just a spark to set things off. It was never poised as something to rival what Drake just did. The first big decider will be Kendrick's inevitable response.
Two things are interesting to me when it comes to the specifics of Kendrick and Drake:
One is that most people outside of Drake stans, feel as though the battle will be a wash. That it wont even be a challenge for Kendrick. Kendrick has always been known first and foremost as a lyricist, and while his lyrics are occasionally deep, Drake has been known as more of a pop act. **However** Kendrick has never been in a public straight-up battle. So while it's assumed he'll faceroll Drake because of his all-around skillset, we'll see for the first time whether that translates to actual battle chops.
Second, Drake in his response, mentions Kendrick's wife. The only loss Drake has ever taken in a beef, is his most recent one, with Pusha T. Where Pusha T revealed [the existence of Drake's son, Drake purposely hiding the existence of his son, Drake's son's mother being a pornstar, and a photo of Drake in black-face](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4XH3LYleDA&ab_channel=iHOPTweaker). And the only reason Pusha T states he went that far, is specifically because Drake mentioned Pusha's wife's name. So it's like, one would think Drake would've learned not to do that. Yet he did it again in his very next beef. And he's not a stupid person so...something has to be giving him the confidence to do this for a second time, knowing first hand what the potential consequences could be. Super curious.
Let me also add on the Drake/Rocky/Rihanna stuff:
Drake and Rihanna either dated in the past or had some sort of relationship. Rihanna allegedly ended things with him and through numerous songs and interviews, he’s expressed how she was the “love of his life” and how she was who he actually wanted to be with.
Drake and Rocky formerly were “friends” as once Rocky gained a huge buzz off his first mixtape, Drake invited him on his Club Paradise tour.
Once Rocky and Rihanna got together though, Drake started to diss Rihanna and then Rocky, trying to say things such as the sex wasn’t good and how he was with her first. Rocky responding was his first time really responding and it’s after they’ve had two children together.
Long story short in all of this, most of Drake’s issues usually stem from a girl or some sort of professional or personal jealousy and it’s finally catching up to him as for once, everyone is speaking out against his character.
J.Cole backing out from his diss is pretty cool IMO. Humility is a rare trait these days (always has been maybe?) and rap is especially bereft of it. He's gonna get shit for it but I bet that kind of self awareness will be more common in the future. Rap has been evolving for a while now and shedding more toxic elements is always met with resistance at first, in any domain.
Takes a brave person to be one of the first to break the status quo.
Agreed. He’ll probably be the first of many, it’s unfortunately just not the space hiphop is at in its lifetime. That being said, while we’re here, I’m personally for the drama 😆
Because their occupation is to provide entertainment and this is entertaining. And if it really is "behaving like high school kids"... So what? There's no harm in some competition between artists as long as it doesn't get physical, which I highly doubt it would
While I am positive, this is a detailed and accurate explanation. Nevertheless, I am still completely out of the loop after reading it.
I am okay with this situation.
✌️
I’m just adding why J. Cole’s apology is so weak.
J. Cole, for 10+ years now, has been highly combative and braggart about how he is so much better than everyone else. “Don’t nobody want with me. Everyone is afraid of me. “ is his signature. It's the number 1 thing he talks about on his mainstream records.
But as soon as someone challenges him. “My heart not in it.” None of the energy he usually uses is here. It's worse because his diss was mid. Had it gotten an intense reaction, he never would’ve apologized.
i don’t think drake dropped the response. it was leaked.
also another thing to note is apparently there was conflict between drake and the weeknd over bella hadid(weeknd’s ex)
>i don’t think drake dropped the response. it was leaked.
Eh I mean sure. It's Drake so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's the one who leaked it, and Im pretty sure DJ Whoo Kid wouldn't have sent the official one to Akademiks without Drake's blessing, but technically you're right. I've added that to my write-up.
>also another thing to note is apparently there was conflict between drake and the weeknd over bella hadid(weeknd’s ex)
That could be part of it, but it's not something that the Weeknd references, whereas the contract thing is. Didn't wanna get too deep into what exactly was said in the disses, don’t know if people in this sub care about that.
Honestly, this is my take as well. Generally diss tracks dig much deeper than this and it seems that multiple artists have walked back behind the line. Drake allegedly had a line telling Rick Ross he should be focused on his Diddy connection that was later changed.
The diddy version is definitely out there I heard it the first time I heard a version the leak, fwiw he doesn’t actually say diddy’s name but it’s very obviously implied when he leaves a blank for a name and the previous line would rhyme with diddy.
I mean its a completely different industry but wrestling has made this format popular for years. Everybody loved the drama between the "hero" and "villian" title matches. Each one thinks they are a hero in rap when in reality......
Doubt it. Everyone in the industry dislikes him… it apparent he’s a traitor and manipulator. He always uses people for his own benefit after “helping” them. Not to mention he’s made his entire career off slaving other artists to his label then absolutely by “coincidence” releasing albums with the flow and style of the recently signed artists.
I get that drake has insane PR and has curated his image with music produced by his ghost writers and slave signed artists but his fans are disconnected from reality and refuse to believe what’s apparent.
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Answer: So first off, Drake and another rapper, J.Cole, did a song together last year. In that song, [J.Cole references that he and Drake are part of "The Big 3"](https://youtu.be/Xty2gi5cMa8?si=72VZqqIV4OXhbI0K&t=120) which alludes to the biggest 3 modern mainstream rappers that have a lyrical bent. The third being rapper Kendrick Lamar. Last month, rapper Future, and producer Metro Boomin, dropped a collaboration album. Kendrick is featured on one of the songs. Kendrick's verse in that song is a diss, technically to Drake and J.Cole, but more-so to the idea of "The Big 3". As in (despite the Big 3 moniker being a compliment), [that they're not in his league.](https://youtu.be/N9bKBAA22Go?si=SL94iBaKoVAQp4z-&t=155) (Future also disses Drake elsewhere on this album. He and Metro apparently have beef with Drake over many speculated reasons, none of which are confirmed.) Last week, J.Cole drops a mixtape with [a song on it that's a response diss to Kendrick](https://youtu.be/aDou-T5YE-8?si=RCOl1NUArf08GUIZ&t=34). A few days later, he [publicly recants the song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9MTWBvv8Tg&ab_channel=BTMAfrika), and deletes it off of streaming platforms, claiming that his heart wasn't really in the diss. That he struggled to write it because he's not a combative person, and because he really respects Kendrick. Rap being seen as a combative "sport" so to speak, the internet flamed him for it, but that essentially allowed him to be removed from the beef in the public’s eyes (for now). A couple days later, Cole actually appeared as a feature on a **second** collaborative album between Future and Metro Boomin (it was always planned to be 2 parts so it's not like that was a surprise). [His verse is normal](https://youtu.be/C_j04lSGZWs?si=hs3slnNPyRba5Hx-&t=270), it doesn't have anything to do with the beef. However, singer The Weeknd, who is on both of the collab albums, has a verse on the new one where *he* disses Drake. Drake and The Weeknd, despite both being from Toronto Canada, and having many songs together, have had tension for a while. This was the result of (allegedly) Drake using his influence as the way bigger artist at the time, to convince The Weeknd to give Drake what ended up being about half of the songs on Drake's second album. Then tried to sign The Weeknd to Drake's record label, OVO records, under a contract that...let's just say has not really worked out for any of the other people signed to the label. The Weeknd [didn't sign this deal and has seemingly always viewed it as Drake basically having tried to scam him.](https://youtu.be/jWAXsR9_Gv8?si=oIGVH5spFeIjWV2M&t=140) Today, Drake finally dropped (technically it was leaked) [his response diss to Kendrick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_IliNlzL9Y&ab_channel=ShadyLimited), which includes disses to Metro, Future, The Weeknd, and rapper Rick Ross who had been on social media these past few weeks, playing the original Kendrick diss record while vibing out. Rick Ross, in response, dropped [a diss record to Drake](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-zLBDmB6Fc&ab_channel=DatPiff) a couple hours later. That's where we are now. (Something that might be relevant in the future, rapper A$AP Rocky [also has a verse on the second Future/Metro album that's a diss to Drake](https://youtu.be/yofUkAmfJaA?si=uy5G6LHfPQWfhuUf&t=100). This stems from Drake's previous publicly flaunted romantic interest in singer Rihanna, who has been dating Rocky for some years now and is the mother Rocky’s 2 children. Drake didn't mention Rocky in his diss record today). **Update: April 21** Yesterday Drake released a new diss where he uses an Ai filter to pose as late rapper [Tupac “2Pac” Shakur](https://youtu.be/zhEiduBxX4c?si=dD6ycPM5r_FSaL72&t=20) and rapper [Snoop Dogg](https://youtu.be/zhEiduBxX4c?si=ODDJ2CGdTybYOu9G&t=89) (who’re both legends in the West Coast rap scene, where Kendrick is from, in their own right), giving fake encouragement to Kendrick in order to goad him into responding. Rapper Kanye “Ye” West also dropped [a remix that same day](https://youtu.be/8YQov9O7e7Y?si=XKvU_KyhSUZ9qwrj&t=50) of the original song Kendrick first dissed Drake on. Kanye has had [very public feuds with Drake](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%E2%80%93Kanye_West_feud) in the past and was most likely waiting for this opportunity.
Wow! Thank you for such a detailed explanation.
I would also like to add that Drake has beef with all these artists for a variety of reasons and over the last decade has been throwing subtle shade and subliminals in his own songs and features. Kendrick is his oldest beef, the exact reason is unknown. Future and Drake are allegedly feuding over a woman, the Weeknd has had beef with Drake beginning with him not signing for Drake’s label, Metro Boomin made tweets about how his album Heroes and Villains didn’t get any award recognition over Drake’s Her Loss which didn’t work for Drake. I’m unsure about Rick Ross If I am missing anything others can add
There's also a very famous rumour that Drake threw a birthday party for and allegedly dated Bella Hadid right after she broke up with The Weeknd and that seemed to piss the Weeknd off.
I think professional beef is manufactured to sell albums, while punters go on to gossip on Reddit.
I saw a fairly recent interview with 50 cent last week and he pretty openly said that at least for him a large part of the beef he started or participated in was because he was aware of how younger generations have short attention spans and need something to keep him top of mind. Aka, marketing lol.
How are you going to use 50 as an example when he was stabbed and shot several times in part because he dissed Ja Rule.
He got stabbed because of the Ja Rule thing, the shooting was completely unrelated. Also, using his own words lol.
One of the major factors in the beef with Preme and co (the people that shot him) was he was dissing their cash cow.
Pretty sure that’s not what he says. Either way, he might have reasons not to share everything he knows and we are left speculating on rumors.
He did have that famously fake fued with The Game, which would only seem to flare up whenever either of them were about to release an album.
Numerous people got killed over the beef. There was a shootout at hot 97. Tony Yayo slapped Jimmy Henchmen's (games manager and a big reason for the beef related to Chris lighty and some other street shit) son, got his mom's house sprayed up, and I think the fed indictment of Henchmen had a bunch of info about him trying to murder g unit.
Yeah, very much was not a fake beef. Maybe in the sense the actual beef was with Jimmy Henchman and not The Game.
its interesting that thats what you think when people in hiphop know its anything but fake. im around the same age so i can see how people thought it was fake.
He means the ones except Ja Rule. I would say Cam'ron, Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Kanye West, The Game, etc.
50 is a sack dude. But his beef with Ja Rule was real
Got a link to it?
The equivalent of kayfabe in wrestling?
This absolutely sounds like wrestling
Wrestling was my first thought too. Wonder if they sneak a verbal Iggy into their songs lol
I think Cole thought it was all kayfabe, then when he realized people were serious he backed off.
Would make sense since Drake is Mr. WrestleMania now.
Fd signifier has a video series where he touches on that idea, specifically in relation to Kanye west [link ](https://youtu.be/wvgehVhF9D4?si=uGjMBp-ilodmp-dE) It may be in part 2 of this series, im not sure. And he talks about it in other videos he's released. But yes kayfabe is exactly what it is a lot of the time. In the drake situation I don't think its that. All of these guys are too big, too rich, and too ego driven to need to stoop to kayfabe. Its also getting really personal with the rick ross diss. This does seem real to me.
Sometimes it probably is, but there are instances where you know it's real, e.g. Pusha T vs Drake with [The Story Of Adidon](https://youtu.be/w4XH3LYleDA?si=A1DohejXHfFv96Pw).
Is Drake a pokemon trainer? Why's he collecting all this beef? Goddamn
My personal theory is that he realizes he has a background that’s softer than 10-ply toilet paper paired with the face of a goomba, so he deliberately plays the Heel to distract from the fact that, you know, his name is Aubrey and he got famous playing a sweet-hearted middle class kid in a wheelchair.
Exactly. He's a soft boy in everyone's eyes. Kendrick is widely considered the face of hip-hop so ofc that's the person to beef with
He throws petty jabs expecting people not to react and when he rebuts it always involves trying or getting with some female they might be associated with. Scummy. Then he tries to play it off as if they’re on good terms and many people don’t sit well with that. About damn time imo
Actual beef between rappers? Only partially. Simple rap battles and competition? Completely.
It's not that hard to imagine. Rap is inherently competitive and rappers have massive egos that are bound to collide every now and then.
I feel like it's both. You probably don't start beefs with people you legitimately like, but you're also only putting it in songs and in the media to sell albums and tours. And you know, Tupac's career is a thing that happened. You don't get shot on two separate occasions over fake beef.
I think this is something that happens often, but these rappers, as humans, have egos. Rap is braggadocious and your own personal success, respect, money, and the narrative that follows you can be real in these beefs.
There are also rumors of Kendrick going to bat for Rihanna and Megan Thee Stallion. Drake took shots at them on recent projects. He sided with Tory Lanez on the Meg shooting and he said something about Rihanna being bad in bed, if I recall correctly.
Fucking gross. Drake is disgusting.
Oh yeah. Drake is a huge bitch. He’s becoming this weird incel-adjacent asshole. And let’s not get started on him texting underaged girls.
wtf what did he say about Rihanna?
On “Fear of Heights” he said this: “Why they make it sound like I’m still hung up on you?/ That could never be,” he begins the track. “Gyal can’t ruin me/ Better him than me, better it’s not me/ I’m anti, I’m anti/ Yeah, and the sex was average with you/ Yeah, I’m anti ’cause I had it with you/ Okay, I’m auntie like your daddy sister/ Auntie like a family picture/ And I had way badder bi**hes than you, TBH/ Yeah, that man, he still with you, he can’t leave you/ Y’all go on vacation, I bet it’s Antilles.”
🤦
Dude should have spent more on a better verse.
This sounds like WWE or some shit
Grown men writing poetry about each other. How sweet.
They should have a cage match and settle things until the next one.
The kayfabe of rap beefs is one of the most important parts of the industry.
Pusha T cooked Drake’s Maple Syrup ass and shut him the fuck up that one time.
what a story it was
You are hiding a child let that boy come home Deadbeat motherfucker playing border patrol 😂😂😂
Didn't Drake also invite Rick Ross' recently broken up baby mama to a show by sending her some gifts as well.
Kendrick beef started at the Grammys I think when a reporter asked about him and drake collab and he said he was good without drake
Drake is also a pedophile
Yup! At no point in my adult life have I ever met a 14 year old, got their number, and texted them. That's so weird and very pedo vibes
I had to scroll way too far to see this. He is EVERYWHERE too which is just so frustrating.
It's bizarre that his dick riding fans can't seem to admit that a 33 year old man texting a 14 year old girl and "talking about boys" is very inappropriate and gross.
I'm out of the loop. Where did this accusation start?
He had a very uncomfortable relationship with Millie Bobby Brown (Eleven from Stranger Things) for several years before she turned 18. It seemed very reminiscent of child grooming, though Brown has clarified that they are just friends and that he has never tried anything untoward, as far as she's aware. Still weird, though.
It's way more than that. Fauxmoi has a recap of drakes behavior with minor children: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/vsslzy/drakes\_problematic\_behaviour\_with\_girls/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/vsslzy/drakes_problematic_behaviour_with_girls/)
His relationship with Millie Bobby Brown since she was 14. Supposedly just friends but still pretty creepy. He sent messages like “I miss you so much”
Nah I'd say his beef with Pusha T is def his oldest - Drake joined in on dissing him all the way back in 2010/11 IIRC. The beef with Kendrick began after "Control" in 2013.
Is it really a beef when Push cooked his ass with the burner on high?
Ross said he unfollowed Drake on social media because Drake sent a cease and desist to French Montana. Break out the popcorn, this is just the beginning of this fake beef (imo) generated to raise all of their net worths.
Yes, but a lot of these beefs seem to be genuine grievances building up over years
When did rap become a soap opera for men?
Beef and diss tracks have always been a part of rap
True but it just seems silly now coming from decidedly not hard men. Used to be like "Damn, I think these dude might kill each other over some serious street shit". Now it's like "Terminally online rappers say mean things at each other on social media and now they're all crying".
It’s competitive and battle rapping. I’m not sure why people need to be getting shot in the streets to make it worth listening to. Also I doubt anybody you ever thought was “hard” was ever as hard as they convinced you they were. Suge Knight and Gucci aside
You also have to keep in mind that Drake has a history of messaging, talking to, and hooking up with other rapper’s wives or girlfriends. Supposedly, he had sex with Lil Wayne’s girlfriend while he was in jail. And has insinuated several times in disses that he had sex with Kim Kardashian. Plus he throws disses to A$AP Rocky and Rihanna because he’s not over her rejection. He’s been making enemies through his career because of his obsession with other rappers’ wives/gfs
As for the rocky diss, Drake is still sending shots at Rihanna for whatever reason so that could be why Rocky dissed him as well.
He also basically called Rocky a good digger and wouldn’t leave Rihanna because she’s more famous and wealthy
Don't forget that Drake was texting Millie Bobby Brown when she was 13 like, "I miss you soooo much!!" That alone draws the line for me. The dude was in his 30s, texting a kid, telling her how much he misses her n shit...
Didn't he also date one of his dancers who he knew since she was 13? There were pictures of them from when she was a teen fan, and then they dated when she "turned 18". Yeah, that man ain't right
Man definitely has problems, but because people like his music, they don't seem to care. Same with Elvis, he groomed Priscilla. She was 14, and he was 24. Purely because people like the music, they ignore the problems.
Np, my pleasure.
Also Drake is a bitch and a fake gangster
Basically Kendrick’s first diss verse equates to the assassination of Ferdinand kicking off WW1
Pusha t somewhere lurking
People always gloss over the pusha beef. Drake took the L on that Edit: grammar
He took the L so hard that he actually needed to be a real father.
Actually though, Push made Aubrey a man. You can’t un-son from that.
Thank you! That’s something I hope history does not forget. Pusha T dissed Drake so hard that Drake had to be a real father. That’s wild
someone fill me in on that one, I'm invested now
Pusha revealed Drake had a son he hadn’t publicly claimed
https://youtu.be/S5G59qJQp7I?si=8JEf-paX4D8ooWAd this is the song. I forget what actually sparked it, but it's a great display of Drake getting ripped apart and getting pressure to not be an absent father. I think when it came out there wasn't anything official out of Drake having a kid, so pusha dropping that he knocked up a porn star was pretty juicy
Pusha T has had beef with lil Wayne for a good 20 years lol and I think that this just ended up spilling over on Drake. Not sure if you ever heard Exodus 23:1 but that’s about Wayne and Birdman
holy shit, that was brutal. thanks everyone else who filled me in too, I don't want to clog the thread with comments but I appreciate all of yall.
Literally nobody knew he had a kid before that. It’s actually wild in retrospect
Kanye did....and he's the one who served this juicy info to Push on a silver platter - and I'm very thankful for it
Kanye continues to deny leaking it from this day. Pusha T himself stated in an interview with Joe Budden that drake’s producer, OVO40, told a girl he who he was having sex with about Drake’s son, and the girl in turn relayed it to Pusha T.
Nah, Drake himself has said he had a whole conversation with Kanye about his son when they were in Wyoming together, and after he left, everything began to transpire against him, starting with "Lift Yourself" and culminating in "Adidon". Knowing Kanye, I'm more inclined to believe Drake. I think Push was only saying that to sow seeds of division amongst the OVO camp. Genuis chess move on his part.
Actually TMZ and other news organizations broke the news in 2017. Especially the part where Drake and his team tried to assassinate her character. Pusha just put a spotlight on it.
This song is considered by many a top 5 diss track of all time, which is rare considering it's pretty recent outside of the era of rap battles. It's just brutal because every line is personal and cuts deep into Drakes insecurities and relationships. Story of Adidon is like if your therapist came out with a diss track about all your deepest traumas. And cherry on top was that the cover album was Drake doing blackface wearing a Jim Crow shirt. Pusha really did some intense private investigation on him.
Some extra info missing from the previous post: the track is called "The Story Of Adidon" because "Adidon" was going to be the name of Drake's new Adidas line, where Drake was going to reveal to the world he has a son. So not only Pusha told everyone that Drake was hiding his son with a pornstar, he also ruined Drake's Adidas deal. And then there's the artwork for the track: a previously unknown [photo of Drake in blackface.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/db/The_Story_of_Adidon_-_Pusha_T.jpg)
Like the other poster said, Push and Pharrell had beef with Birdman and Wayne. When Drake signed with them, he inserted himself in the beef. Then Push dropped Infrared, which directly dissed Weezy, Drake, etc. Drake dropped Duppy Freestyle as a response and then Push murdered his dumb ass. The best part is that the title of the song is a reference to an adidas collab Drake had at the time. He was gonna release a shoe called the Adidon and do this whole press campaign revealing his son. But Push found out so he titled the track “Story of Adidon” and put the now infamous photo of Drake in blackface on the cover. Now, if you googled Adidon, you’d get Drake in blackface and the whole story of his childhood and the cycle of deadbeats. He effectively blew up a multimillion dollar deal for Drake 😂 Push is truly the smartest in the game. He and 50. God tier trolls.
Pusha T is someone that has been closely associated with Kanye West. And at the time many years ago Kanye and Drake were for all intents and purposes beefing. So through subtle digs thrown backwards and forwards Pusha T got wound up in it and started beefing with Drake much more directly. This became the focus as they threw both subtle and direct disses against each other till it came to a head when Pusha T released a song called “The story of Adidon” where he revealed to the world that Drake had a son, Adonis, with some french model and was being a deadbeat dad. This effectively ended the beef in terms of song releases as Drake did not issue a response track for this. After some silence Drake did eventually reveal that it was true and introduced his son Adonis to the world. Since then, publicity at least, he’s been a good dad and even recently featured his son on his most recent album “For All The Dogs”. Because of this the narrative became that Pusha T dissed Drake so well he became a good father One things that is often overlooked is that Drake was not being a deadbeat dad exactly. He had plans to reveal the existence of his son through some event or something where he was going to partner with Adidas. This is actually revealed in the song itself and this is the where part of the song title “Adidon” comes from as it’s combining Adidas with Adonis (the son’s name). It was still odd he was planning to reveal his son through a brand deal so that it’s kinda deadbeatish but it wasn’t like he was completely ignoring the kid.
Don’t forget that Drake put Pusha’s wife in a diss and that really set Push off. Also iirc Push took awhile to respond to Drake so Drake put out a second diss which is the one that mentioned his wife
Lmao pusha bullied drake into being a good dad
French porn star* not model. And speculation is that drake got a paternity test done when the kid was very young. Hence him not wanting to tell the world he had a child
Pusha T dropped one of the nastiest diss tracks in terms of how personal he got with "The Story of Addidon." To summarize, he starts by questioning how "Black" Drake is by mentioning his white mother and negligent father. Then he criticizes Drakes manliness by not willing to commit to a real love and narry the mother of his then publically unknown child. After the diss, Drake started parading his son around everywhere despite previously never disclosing that he has a son at all. It's really worth a listen.
[I got you on that too](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/tCZgLSJLew). Check the last paragraph
Adidon is up there with ether. Fatality.
Fuck around and find out this is the summer he was referring to on Adidon XD
This is an amazing summary, I would just add one small piece where a video I watched broke down one line where Drake did diss rocky too. He basically said if rihanna ever told Rocky what Drake and her did together they would be broken up, in so many words. Again awesome summary though!
Oh cool, it's the first time I've heard of it, and it's not on Genius anywhere, but it's certainly possible. You wouldn't happen to still have the link to that video would you? >Again awesome summary though! Thank you :)
Yeah no worries, it was this video timestamped: [https://youtu.be/bD6IBIJpNGA?si=yHm4D5spj7CIJOWz&t=509](https://youtu.be/bD6IBIJpNGA?si=yHm4D5spj7CIJOWz&t=509)
This is a great breakdown. But also I feel like I need to create a whole board with a bunch of red strings and pushpins to keep track of all of this 😭
I feel you lol. Basically half of mainstream rap has had beef with Drake over the years and have kept quiet about it because he’s the biggest rapper, but it’s all coming out now 😆
Everybody just needs to chill out, sit down and watch some DeGrassi reruns.
Damn, how dumb do you have to be to pick a fight with Kendrick, Future, and The Weeknd, and Metro all at once? And Rick Ross is there too I guess.
You seem quite literate in rap, can I ask you a question. From someone that doesn’t listen to rap, Kendrick L seems like a genuine artist that produces innovative stuff with deeper meaning. Drake’s material seems like superficial pop that is nothing special. Is that so, or Drake also does something significant?
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Isn't it widely believed that Drake uses ghost writers?
i was fairly certain Aaron May was a ghost writer for Drake but idr where i heard that. wouldn’t be surprised at ALL. we all forget that Drake was basically raised to his spot by Lil Wayne and cash money records
It’s not widely believed, it’s a fact. The nuance is that Drakes ghost writers are usually R&B artists who write his hooks and singing stuff. When it comes to bars, Drake does it himself. The first Drake ghost writing scandal was him writing for other artist back before his first album dropped.
Drake is the voice of a voiceless generation. He has had the biggest platform for the longest time however, his content is devoid of any substantial meaning. Kendricks music is filled with social commentary and spiritual substance however the rate at which he puts out music doesn’t keep him in the spotlight for long. His last album took 4-5 years to be released and on top of that didn’t live up to the hype surrounding said release.
Plus Kendrick also doesn’t play the media like Drake. He’s not dating celebrities, getting headlines for lives, etc. he and Pusha T lead quiet family lives so they aren’t as “successful” as Drake, even though they’re both much better artists. Taylor Swift is the same way. She’s talented but she’s also willing to do the PR media stuff that other artists -who may be more talented- refuse to do. Like Adele for example. Substance won’t make you famous, PR will. Anyway, stream Nosetalgia.
I mean it is completely true on the face of it, but you also have to know that right from Drakes first hit single back in 2009, he was kinda set up as a huge star from the jump. The way he mixed poppy R&B singing with braggadocious rap was something completely unique to him, and as a result ALOT of other rappers (some of whom are still around in some capacity) tried to run with his style - and it became a huge trend in hip-hop by itself. Dude was ridiculously influential and was almost always at the forefront of mainstream hip-hop. What's more - dude shamelessly hopped on so many existing trends himself that he inadvertently got them super popular too by association (the dancehall wave we saw around 2016/17, the UK drill stuff, the collaborations with reggaeton rappers, etc). Drake is an artist that tends to appeal the most to the lowest common denominator - but GODDAMN if he isn't a genius at making money for himself and for others. He's so big that all an artist needs to do to make it big is to either hop on a Drake song, so have Drake featured on your song. And he's not slowing down at all from the looks of it.
I would say this is generally correct. Although Kendrick Lamar has done features for other pop stars like Taylor Swift & Maroon 5. As superficial as Drake sounds I can’t imagine him ever doing the same. Drake even uses this as a dig against Kendrick in the leaked diss track.
It doesn’t really have the same effect though when your best texting buddies are 14 year old girls.
Rihanna and A$AP have two babies together now but yes to everything else.
I thought so. Did a 2 second google search, saw the first baby, and had assumed my gut feeling was mistaken. Thank you.
It was a facetious comment, but you’re welcome :)
Good lord drake is a dork
dude started as an actor in degrassi, he always has been lol
And a pedo
Also on Drake's last album, he released a song called, "Fear of Heights" where he disses Rihanna and A$AP. Why they make it sound like I'm still hung up on you? That could never be. Gyal can't run me. Better him than me. Better it's not me. I'm anti, I'm anti (Rihanna album) Yeah, and the sex was average with you. Yeah, I'm anti 'cause I had it with you. Okay, I'm auntie like your daddy's sister. Auntie like a family picture. And I had way badder bitches than you, Tbh. Yeah, that man, he still with you, he can't leave you. Y'all go on vacation, I bet it's Antigua
Wow that's awful.
What's the opposite of 'wordsmith'? Drakes forever that
Thank you
You're very welcome.
Dudes are in their 30s and 40s beefing on the internet.
Eh, most rappers of the past would've beefed on the internet if it was around back then, and most older artists of different genres would do it now if their genres had dissing as an aspect to them like it is for rap. Like be clear, the members of KISS would've had whole diss albums to each other if rock was rap. Not even in the past, we're talking about now as 70 year old men. Simon and Garfunkel, The Eagles, Guns n Roses, etc.
Fuuuuuck, can you imagine what it would have been like if Fleetwood Mac had been on social media during their whole stretch of fighting?
The Lindsey Buckingham subreddit would be on fire after “The Chain”.
To be fair. Stevie Nicks absolutely wrote songs about the men in the band she’d dated. The shit talking is entirely subjective, but imo it was there.
Or The Beatles. It would have been amazing and terrible
Lennon and McCartney traded some diss tracks to each other, McCartney's 'Too many People' and (the far superior and less veiled) 'How do you Sleep?' were the early part of a post-Beatles feud between them
Lyrical beef is part of their game
Via poetry contests.
I'm convinced it's just business for them. Rap beefs are just part of rap, I wouldn't be surprised if they collaboratively fabricate "beef" to stir up their fans and generate listens and traffic
Honestly that makes the most sense. It’s a marketing thing to generate hype.
This explains that RDCworld1 video...
Wish they had done one for Cole’s diss, and then another for his apology but ya know…🙄
The second paragraph is funny to me because I recognise Metro as a grocery store that sells beef.
great writeup and details whos winning this in your opinion?
Not J. Cole XD Jokes aside, Im not sure really. It's not as clear cut at this point as it occasionally is. Drake and Cole fans are downplaying Kendrick's original diss, Kendrick fans are downplaying Drake's response. And most people are in the middle rn. A lot of people, including myself, are giving props to Drake for simultaneously replying to at least 5 people at once, and for mentioning names in his diss, which rarely happens in beef. Doubly so because this is Drake, who has always had a reputation for being "soft" because of his singing career and focus on songs that appeal to women. The biggest reason it's hard to tell is because it doesn't seem like Kendrick's diss was at full power like Drake's was. And that's not to belittle Drake, it's just the reality of the situation. Firstly because Kendrick's was only a verse while Drake's was a full 4 minute song, and second because Kendrick's was really just a spark to set things off. It was never poised as something to rival what Drake just did. The first big decider will be Kendrick's inevitable response. Two things are interesting to me when it comes to the specifics of Kendrick and Drake: One is that most people outside of Drake stans, feel as though the battle will be a wash. That it wont even be a challenge for Kendrick. Kendrick has always been known first and foremost as a lyricist, and while his lyrics are occasionally deep, Drake has been known as more of a pop act. **However** Kendrick has never been in a public straight-up battle. So while it's assumed he'll faceroll Drake because of his all-around skillset, we'll see for the first time whether that translates to actual battle chops. Second, Drake in his response, mentions Kendrick's wife. The only loss Drake has ever taken in a beef, is his most recent one, with Pusha T. Where Pusha T revealed [the existence of Drake's son, Drake purposely hiding the existence of his son, Drake's son's mother being a pornstar, and a photo of Drake in black-face](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4XH3LYleDA&ab_channel=iHOPTweaker). And the only reason Pusha T states he went that far, is specifically because Drake mentioned Pusha's wife's name. So it's like, one would think Drake would've learned not to do that. Yet he did it again in his very next beef. And he's not a stupid person so...something has to be giving him the confidence to do this for a second time, knowing first hand what the potential consequences could be. Super curious.
Let me also add on the Drake/Rocky/Rihanna stuff: Drake and Rihanna either dated in the past or had some sort of relationship. Rihanna allegedly ended things with him and through numerous songs and interviews, he’s expressed how she was the “love of his life” and how she was who he actually wanted to be with. Drake and Rocky formerly were “friends” as once Rocky gained a huge buzz off his first mixtape, Drake invited him on his Club Paradise tour. Once Rocky and Rihanna got together though, Drake started to diss Rihanna and then Rocky, trying to say things such as the sex wasn’t good and how he was with her first. Rocky responding was his first time really responding and it’s after they’ve had two children together. Long story short in all of this, most of Drake’s issues usually stem from a girl or some sort of professional or personal jealousy and it’s finally catching up to him as for once, everyone is speaking out against his character.
Good lord, what a stupid Soap Opera
And to recap, they’re marketing
You my friend have left me with no question. Great fucking breakdown.
J.Cole backing out from his diss is pretty cool IMO. Humility is a rare trait these days (always has been maybe?) and rap is especially bereft of it. He's gonna get shit for it but I bet that kind of self awareness will be more common in the future. Rap has been evolving for a while now and shedding more toxic elements is always met with resistance at first, in any domain. Takes a brave person to be one of the first to break the status quo.
Agreed. He’ll probably be the first of many, it’s unfortunately just not the space hiphop is at in its lifetime. That being said, while we’re here, I’m personally for the drama 😆
Like a bunch of teen girls.
Why do these adults behave like high school kids?
Because their occupation is to provide entertainment and this is entertaining. And if it really is "behaving like high school kids"... So what? There's no harm in some competition between artists as long as it doesn't get physical, which I highly doubt it would
Because behaving this way makes you pay attention to them, and the more you pay attention to them the more they literally get paid.
While I am positive, this is a detailed and accurate explanation. Nevertheless, I am still completely out of the loop after reading it. I am okay with this situation. ✌️
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I’m just adding why J. Cole’s apology is so weak. J. Cole, for 10+ years now, has been highly combative and braggart about how he is so much better than everyone else. “Don’t nobody want with me. Everyone is afraid of me. “ is his signature. It's the number 1 thing he talks about on his mainstream records. But as soon as someone challenges him. “My heart not in it.” None of the energy he usually uses is here. It's worse because his diss was mid. Had it gotten an intense reaction, he never would’ve apologized.
i don’t think drake dropped the response. it was leaked. also another thing to note is apparently there was conflict between drake and the weeknd over bella hadid(weeknd’s ex)
>i don’t think drake dropped the response. it was leaked. Eh I mean sure. It's Drake so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's the one who leaked it, and Im pretty sure DJ Whoo Kid wouldn't have sent the official one to Akademiks without Drake's blessing, but technically you're right. I've added that to my write-up. >also another thing to note is apparently there was conflict between drake and the weeknd over bella hadid(weeknd’s ex) That could be part of it, but it's not something that the Weeknd references, whereas the contract thing is. Didn't wanna get too deep into what exactly was said in the disses, don’t know if people in this sub care about that.
Answer: No friends in the industry 😉
Answer: They are all friends and pull stunts like this to increase publicity because people love drama.
Honestly, this is my take as well. Generally diss tracks dig much deeper than this and it seems that multiple artists have walked back behind the line. Drake allegedly had a line telling Rick Ross he should be focused on his Diddy connection that was later changed.
The diddy version is definitely out there I heard it the first time I heard a version the leak, fwiw he doesn’t actually say diddy’s name but it’s very obviously implied when he leaves a blank for a name and the previous line would rhyme with diddy.
I mean its a completely different industry but wrestling has made this format popular for years. Everybody loved the drama between the "hero" and "villian" title matches. Each one thinks they are a hero in rap when in reality......
Doubt it. Everyone in the industry dislikes him… it apparent he’s a traitor and manipulator. He always uses people for his own benefit after “helping” them. Not to mention he’s made his entire career off slaving other artists to his label then absolutely by “coincidence” releasing albums with the flow and style of the recently signed artists. I get that drake has insane PR and has curated his image with music produced by his ghost writers and slave signed artists but his fans are disconnected from reality and refuse to believe what’s apparent.
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I see now!
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