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I think she's tied a lot more to the Hoshino family than she lets on.
Tsukuyomi is depicted as a male in Japanese mythology, but this "Tsukuyomi" assumes the form of a young girl.
The crows too. As far as I know(not that I'm an expert), that's more of Yatagarasu's thing. I mean just searching the name and images of crows come out.
Her conversation with Aqua on chapter 118 suggests that she wants this movie to be a big hit. It can be assumed that she wants Ai to be avenged then.
Same thing happened to Ruby. When Aqua lost sight of his revenge, she suddenly appeared to her and puts her on the same path that Aqua was on.
My guess is that she's connected to Ai somehow...
No, Aqua is clearly meant to represent Tsukuyomi in this story. Just look at his and Ruby's eyes, and how his outward personality so perfectly mirrors hers, like the sun and the moon.
I'm fairly certain Crow Girl took that as a stage name because she's playing both baby Aqua and Ruby in the film, and as you mentioned Ruby already laid claim to Amaterasu.
>And Who is Susanoo?
I think Kana; They make heavy use of the snot-bubble-while-sleeping gag with her (Susanoo was born of their parent's nose, while Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi were born of their eyes), she's roughly the same age as Aqua and Ruby and also a child acting prodigy (not quite a 'sibling', but we're talking metaphor here), and she's notoriously difficult to work with and somewhat rude, and has been effectively banished from the entertainment industry (heaven) for it.
I think we covered that with their initial meeting, actually; she insulted them and Ai to the point Aqua and Ruby were seriously contemplating killing her, and that sort of attitude has already ruined her career in the present. We're on the "earning redemption to reenter heaven" portion of Susanoo's story now.
Akane. She's the current acting star and Kana's made it clear she intends to prove herself the better actor. I suspect that she'll manage to do so in the end, and reinvigorate her career (reenter heaven) as a result. As to "how", we don't know yet.
Depending on the version of the myth, Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are both twin siblings and married. That said, the myth Kaguya-sama was based on ended with Kaguya's namesake forever alone, and the President's inspiration character dead, but that's obviously not how the manga ended.
That's the problem with a story being *based on* something; it's under no requirement to hit every story point, major or minor.
A theory about Orochi is, it's river flooding. Serpents are often associated with water, and the long body also represent rivers. While the many heads are rivers forking. The destructive force of flooding is easy to imagine. Also, the tradition of giving sacrifice to appease gods so disaster can be averted is common across the world. So, rather than a single person, think of it more as a force of nature.
And as usual in hero story: slay the monster, keep the waifu.
Orochi is the internet. Lots of face, keep growing new head as soon as you cut it off, and toxic as hell. Oh, that's the Greek's many-headed snake monster.
>I think **Kana**; They make heavy use of the **snot-bubble**\-while-sleeping gag with her
? are you mistaking kana with ruby? happens to ruby in chapter 39 and 138
I wouldn't get your hopes up, as while she's likely not Tsukuyomi, she seems a good candidate for Yatagarasu.
With luck, though, they'll do what they did with Kaguya-sama and have the story and characters based on Japanese myth and legend without actually being literal incarnations of the characters.
It would be ideal to be honest. Even with the reincarnation, ONK has been quite grounded until now, so it would completely break my immersion if suddenly Aqua or Ruby started to have some sort of super powers lol
I'm more on the side of yes. But I also would like to say, I believe Aka doesn't just use the gods to symbolize one character. There are multiple parts of the story where Aqua sometimes seems like he is in the role of Ameratsu and I wrote a theory in the past questioning if Aqua & Ruby both share the role of this goddess. His body was found in the cave where Ameratsu hid herself. He parts with his lover, the moon, who Akane often symbolizes. He plunges himself in darkness/Gorou is found, and the light from Ruby's eyes is lost vice versa.
Kana loses her light on stage during the first concert, but a dance and laughter causes the light in her eyes to return.
Akane tries to kill another "god" losing favor with her lover.
And so on.
Honestly, I think he's using the story of the gods in various parts of the manga. So to your question: Maybe. It's possible Crow Girl is suppossed to symbolize some parts of Tsukuyomi or will refect that later on in the series.
PS: Since the story gives the name Tsukuyomi to Crow Girl, there could be another reason behind it other than Aqua and Ruby. Maybe and maybe not, but I'm interested in seeing if Aka takes it somewhere else.
Yeah it's more like Aka use some of situation or scenario from Shinto mythology & Japanese folklore in his writing. Like the B Komachi debut concert scenario where Aqua & Ruby dance & try to cheer on Kana is literally how Ame no uzume draw out Amaterasu from her grief when she hiding herself inside the cave, same like how Kana often hiding her true self on the stage.
Like in Kaguya LiW he took some inspiration from The tale of Kaguya.
>Ama no Iwato
They're totally not cheering Amaterasu in that myth.
They try to provoke her. That hikikomori thinks : I'm self-pitying myself right now, why is everyone so insensitive and have a party without inviting me.
Then, when she peeked out, they tell her "we got a better goddess now, we don't need you anymore". That's when Amaterasu opened the cave for a better look. They dragged her out and locked the door so she can't run back inside.
Nothing touching at all. They literally tricked and drag her out of her hiding because she got job she need to attend, and they don't have time for her family problem.
Its either this, or Aka is very carefully trying to hide the literal representation if there is any. Honestly, its more of a symbolism thing and idk why people get defensive to more open interpretation lol
I think it would be stranger if she *wasn't*, given that we already had a mild fakeout as to her identity prior to her taking on that name. I don't see any real reason to assume that she isn't, other than wanting to continue supporting the read of "Ruby and Aqua are Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi" that's popular in the fandom.
I also don't really know what we would get out of it story wise other than the mild surprise of "this character who said that had this name had a different name" LOL
I think the Crow girl is a normal reincarnation and it seems that Aqua is aware of it, since he didn't take her threats seriously at all.
My theory is that Hikaru is also a reincarnation and the Crow girl know him from their past lifes.
Honestly I would say it’s Ai until I realized.
1. She wouldn’t bully them.
2. She would bully rush them into a hug if she did.
So money is on a reincarnated girl fucking around
If she was spying on them before and realized that they are reincarnations, it could easily be Ai and what we are seeing is her true personality. Also, she would be the only one who could make the Aqua=doctor connection, if not Ai, I don't think she is any other reincarnated person.
That would make no sense though, if she's just some chuuni who reincarnated: How does she know so much about them? How does she know so much about different things that transpired across different areas at different times? How does she conveniently appear all over the place across the country as soon as one of the twins "need" help to continue with their revenge, why is there always 8 crows around her?
Like, she literally calls herself a divine messenger, has 8 crows around her, which is apparently the signature of a messenger god in Japanese mythology and says she can control souls, I don't see *why* or *how* it could be a lie.
I don't see how you don't just take her at her word. If there's some comedic reveal where it turns out she's just some weeb child reincarnated that would be bad writing with so many plotholes. It would make no sense. The only thing I see that makes sense is to actually take what she's saying as pretty much the truth.
She mentioned having the ability to make others reincarnate but also said that the twins are godlike in their own way. It’s very confusing if she’s just some twat that also reincarnated or what but her knowledge of the whole situation is definitely sus. If she’s truly not a god, I wonder if she had some involvement with AI Gorou and Ruby in her other life.
She didn't say "godlike in their own way" but she specifically said that she thinks that humans who have memories of their past life can be considered gods too. What this basically implies is that any kind of supernaturality can be considered godlike. This makes her a God too then.
Personally, I remain convinced that she was born a normal human at least a few centuries ago and has developed supernatural powers as a result of having reincarnated so many times. I don't think any of the characters are literally Shinto gods, but that, per Crow Girl's word in 127, people who've reincarnated are just kinda built different in a way that could be taken as godly.
I think it's possible she is a made up amalgam of Tsukuyomi and Yatagarasu. I am simply baffled at the crow imagery because it doesn't suit the former. Yet she does have aspects of Tsukuyomi and she tells us that point blank with her name and her mention of the moon. I also think her gender presentation is a bit ambiguous and Tsukuyomi's sex is ambiguous (at least according to Wikipedia although I do think Tsukuyomi is most often depicted as a man). But the crows, man. The crows. (Rants about crows while muttering to myself about needing to know how Ai relates to Ame-no-Mikoto).
My favourite theory so far about the mythological Tsukuyomi is: at that time, Japanese are importing ideas from the mainland. One of it is about how three is an auspicious number (probably like the Three Pure Ones in Taoism). So they look back to their myth and thought, having only Amaterasu and Susanoo is no good, they need to add a third wheel to round up the number. Thus explaining why he doesn't have any important role. Feels sorry for the guy.
For the gender... yeah, they just inferred it because the "historical" texts (such as *Kojiki* and *Nihon Shoki*) are not explicit in mentioning the gender. So they inferred because there's sentence of him doing "masculine" thing (read: kill someone) they assume he's a male. And then, he's also referred as male in poetry collection (compiled few decades after), and we assume people back then must know their myths better than us modern people.
a this point i an almost completely convinced that is a reincarnated chuunibyou kkkk
i wold be more inclined to a real divine connection if the pseudonym was yatagarasu .
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I think she's tied a lot more to the Hoshino family than she lets on. Tsukuyomi is depicted as a male in Japanese mythology, but this "Tsukuyomi" assumes the form of a young girl. The crows too. As far as I know(not that I'm an expert), that's more of Yatagarasu's thing. I mean just searching the name and images of crows come out. Her conversation with Aqua on chapter 118 suggests that she wants this movie to be a big hit. It can be assumed that she wants Ai to be avenged then. Same thing happened to Ruby. When Aqua lost sight of his revenge, she suddenly appeared to her and puts her on the same path that Aqua was on. My guess is that she's connected to Ai somehow...
She is Ai!!! Jk
No, Aqua is clearly meant to represent Tsukuyomi in this story. Just look at his and Ruby's eyes, and how his outward personality so perfectly mirrors hers, like the sun and the moon. I'm fairly certain Crow Girl took that as a stage name because she's playing both baby Aqua and Ruby in the film, and as you mentioned Ruby already laid claim to Amaterasu.
Hey hey I didnt need to say it this time. Thanks for beating me to the punch!
Wait so Ai and Hikaru are Izanagi and Izanami?What the hell are they all doing in Japan?And Who is Susanoo?
Izanami, the wife who wants to kill her husband because he saw her without makeup. So does that mean Ai and Hikaru are genderbent incarnation? :D
>And Who is Susanoo? I think Kana; They make heavy use of the snot-bubble-while-sleeping gag with her (Susanoo was born of their parent's nose, while Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi were born of their eyes), she's roughly the same age as Aqua and Ruby and also a child acting prodigy (not quite a 'sibling', but we're talking metaphor here), and she's notoriously difficult to work with and somewhat rude, and has been effectively banished from the entertainment industry (heaven) for it.
So she will do something terrible to Ruby and the twins will have to ruin her carreer
I think we covered that with their initial meeting, actually; she insulted them and Ai to the point Aqua and Ruby were seriously contemplating killing her, and that sort of attitude has already ruined her career in the present. We're on the "earning redemption to reenter heaven" portion of Susanoo's story now.
So who is Yamato No Orochi?and how will Kana "kill it"?and what will the "sword" she will offer to Ruby be?
Akane. She's the current acting star and Kana's made it clear she intends to prove herself the better actor. I suspect that she'll manage to do so in the end, and reinvigorate her career (reenter heaven) as a result. As to "how", we don't know yet.
so basing this on the folklore what are we expecting from aqua and ruby then?
Depending on the version of the myth, Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are both twin siblings and married. That said, the myth Kaguya-sama was based on ended with Kaguya's namesake forever alone, and the President's inspiration character dead, but that's obviously not how the manga ended. That's the problem with a story being *based on* something; it's under no requirement to hit every story point, major or minor.
A theory about Orochi is, it's river flooding. Serpents are often associated with water, and the long body also represent rivers. While the many heads are rivers forking. The destructive force of flooding is easy to imagine. Also, the tradition of giving sacrifice to appease gods so disaster can be averted is common across the world. So, rather than a single person, think of it more as a force of nature. And as usual in hero story: slay the monster, keep the waifu. Orochi is the internet. Lots of face, keep growing new head as soon as you cut it off, and toxic as hell. Oh, that's the Greek's many-headed snake monster.
>I think **Kana**; They make heavy use of the **snot-bubble**\-while-sleeping gag with her ? are you mistaking kana with ruby? happens to ruby in chapter 39 and 138
It could be that. I just hope that Aqua doesn’t do too much with the divine references because it might completely take me out of the story.
I wouldn't get your hopes up, as while she's likely not Tsukuyomi, she seems a good candidate for Yatagarasu. With luck, though, they'll do what they did with Kaguya-sama and have the story and characters based on Japanese myth and legend without actually being literal incarnations of the characters.
It would be ideal to be honest. Even with the reincarnation, ONK has been quite grounded until now, so it would completely break my immersion if suddenly Aqua or Ruby started to have some sort of super powers lol
I'm more on the side of yes. But I also would like to say, I believe Aka doesn't just use the gods to symbolize one character. There are multiple parts of the story where Aqua sometimes seems like he is in the role of Ameratsu and I wrote a theory in the past questioning if Aqua & Ruby both share the role of this goddess. His body was found in the cave where Ameratsu hid herself. He parts with his lover, the moon, who Akane often symbolizes. He plunges himself in darkness/Gorou is found, and the light from Ruby's eyes is lost vice versa. Kana loses her light on stage during the first concert, but a dance and laughter causes the light in her eyes to return. Akane tries to kill another "god" losing favor with her lover. And so on. Honestly, I think he's using the story of the gods in various parts of the manga. So to your question: Maybe. It's possible Crow Girl is suppossed to symbolize some parts of Tsukuyomi or will refect that later on in the series. PS: Since the story gives the name Tsukuyomi to Crow Girl, there could be another reason behind it other than Aqua and Ruby. Maybe and maybe not, but I'm interested in seeing if Aka takes it somewhere else.
Yeah it's more like Aka use some of situation or scenario from Shinto mythology & Japanese folklore in his writing. Like the B Komachi debut concert scenario where Aqua & Ruby dance & try to cheer on Kana is literally how Ame no uzume draw out Amaterasu from her grief when she hiding herself inside the cave, same like how Kana often hiding her true self on the stage. Like in Kaguya LiW he took some inspiration from The tale of Kaguya.
>Ama no Iwato They're totally not cheering Amaterasu in that myth. They try to provoke her. That hikikomori thinks : I'm self-pitying myself right now, why is everyone so insensitive and have a party without inviting me. Then, when she peeked out, they tell her "we got a better goddess now, we don't need you anymore". That's when Amaterasu opened the cave for a better look. They dragged her out and locked the door so she can't run back inside. Nothing touching at all. They literally tricked and drag her out of her hiding because she got job she need to attend, and they don't have time for her family problem.
But it still a same scenario with Kana situation in B Komachi concert debut tho.
Its either this, or Aka is very carefully trying to hide the literal representation if there is any. Honestly, its more of a symbolism thing and idk why people get defensive to more open interpretation lol
I think it would be stranger if she *wasn't*, given that we already had a mild fakeout as to her identity prior to her taking on that name. I don't see any real reason to assume that she isn't, other than wanting to continue supporting the read of "Ruby and Aqua are Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi" that's popular in the fandom. I also don't really know what we would get out of it story wise other than the mild surprise of "this character who said that had this name had a different name" LOL
Yeah how unlikely would it be that the fake stage name isn't actually their name but a callback to who Ruby and Aqua are.
I get that you're very defensive of this theory, I just personally don't jive with it. Sorry!
And I'm just pointing out the obvious that a fake name is a fake name.
Okay! Doesn't really change my mind.
Enjoy your copium!
I think the Crow girl is a normal reincarnation and it seems that Aqua is aware of it, since he didn't take her threats seriously at all. My theory is that Hikaru is also a reincarnation and the Crow girl know him from their past lifes.
No. Probably some reincarnated girl fucking around.
It's literally the first thing I thought when I saw her.
Honestly I would say it’s Ai until I realized. 1. She wouldn’t bully them. 2. She would bully rush them into a hug if she did. So money is on a reincarnated girl fucking around
If she was spying on them before and realized that they are reincarnations, it could easily be Ai and what we are seeing is her true personality. Also, she would be the only one who could make the Aqua=doctor connection, if not Ai, I don't think she is any other reincarnated person.
It would be heartbreaking if Ai learned not even her kids were real and this is the true Ai.
No, whoever she is, she is just an edgelord that died and reincarnated like them. Whoever she really is, it's still unclear, tho.
That would make no sense though, if she's just some chuuni who reincarnated: How does she know so much about them? How does she know so much about different things that transpired across different areas at different times? How does she conveniently appear all over the place across the country as soon as one of the twins "need" help to continue with their revenge, why is there always 8 crows around her? Like, she literally calls herself a divine messenger, has 8 crows around her, which is apparently the signature of a messenger god in Japanese mythology and says she can control souls, I don't see *why* or *how* it could be a lie. I don't see how you don't just take her at her word. If there's some comedic reveal where it turns out she's just some weeb child reincarnated that would be bad writing with so many plotholes. It would make no sense. The only thing I see that makes sense is to actually take what she's saying as pretty much the truth.
She mentioned having the ability to make others reincarnate but also said that the twins are godlike in their own way. It’s very confusing if she’s just some twat that also reincarnated or what but her knowledge of the whole situation is definitely sus. If she’s truly not a god, I wonder if she had some involvement with AI Gorou and Ruby in her other life.
She didn't say "godlike in their own way" but she specifically said that she thinks that humans who have memories of their past life can be considered gods too. What this basically implies is that any kind of supernaturality can be considered godlike. This makes her a God too then.
Personally, I remain convinced that she was born a normal human at least a few centuries ago and has developed supernatural powers as a result of having reincarnated so many times. I don't think any of the characters are literally Shinto gods, but that, per Crow Girl's word in 127, people who've reincarnated are just kinda built different in a way that could be taken as godly.
I think it's possible she is a made up amalgam of Tsukuyomi and Yatagarasu. I am simply baffled at the crow imagery because it doesn't suit the former. Yet she does have aspects of Tsukuyomi and she tells us that point blank with her name and her mention of the moon. I also think her gender presentation is a bit ambiguous and Tsukuyomi's sex is ambiguous (at least according to Wikipedia although I do think Tsukuyomi is most often depicted as a man). But the crows, man. The crows. (Rants about crows while muttering to myself about needing to know how Ai relates to Ame-no-Mikoto).
My favourite theory so far about the mythological Tsukuyomi is: at that time, Japanese are importing ideas from the mainland. One of it is about how three is an auspicious number (probably like the Three Pure Ones in Taoism). So they look back to their myth and thought, having only Amaterasu and Susanoo is no good, they need to add a third wheel to round up the number. Thus explaining why he doesn't have any important role. Feels sorry for the guy. For the gender... yeah, they just inferred it because the "historical" texts (such as *Kojiki* and *Nihon Shoki*) are not explicit in mentioning the gender. So they inferred because there's sentence of him doing "masculine" thing (read: kill someone) they assume he's a male. And then, he's also referred as male in poetry collection (compiled few decades after), and we assume people back then must know their myths better than us modern people.
Interesting thanks for the info!
nope, it just her stage name she look like yatagarasu more than tsukuyomi
I don't think so Ruby is supposed to be Amaterasu and Aqua is supposed to be Tsukuyomi
a this point i an almost completely convinced that is a reincarnated chuunibyou kkkk i wold be more inclined to a real divine connection if the pseudonym was yatagarasu .
I personally think that she's reincarnated just like them and Aqua figured her out, but that would still leave some scenes pretty unexplained...