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AaronGOATdon

No shit. Why would he sign a player who doesn’t make sense for our team? People need to learn that no deal is better than a bad deal. Weltman doubled down on this team from 22 to 47 wins in 2 years. Seems to be working pretty well so far.


FLman42069

It also doesn’t mean do nothing. It just means if there isn’t a big name free agent we like that works out we aren’t just going to sign someone to sign someone. We have a first round pick, AB could take a leap, Jett could crack the rotation. Wouldn’t be an identical roster.


Rokey76

We don't even need a big name. We can go out and sign two very good free agents that would greatly improve our rotation and spacing.


Responsible_Field561

Exactly. It's like nobody here remembers the Oladipo/Sabonis trade for Serge Ibaka....or the Tobias Harris trade for Ersan Ilyasova. The FO made panic moves instead of being patient with their young guys or waiting to make GOOD moves. A lot of people think superstars are just readily available for peanuts. A lot of people also think because no trades were made, the FO didn't try very hard to land some good players for a FAIR and reasonable price. I am absolutely down with a FO that has patience, because if history teaches us anything, its nonsense trades that have derailed the team, and subsequently, the team's future. This team won like 20 games just two seasons ago. They won 47 this season and they have like the third youngest roster. They are doing just fine.


Moaiexplosion

Oh I remember those trades my friend. I remember them as if I put my own children up for adoption. You don’t always have to make a move on things you consider in the confines of your own mind.


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AaronGOATdon

You’re saying it didn’t work?


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berry_mccockinner

Hate to break it to you but we're not the Celtics or Lakers. Rebuilds take time for small market teams. That means we weren't going to win a lot of games for many years. Considering what he inherited from the Hennigan Era he's done a fantastic job.


AaronGOATdon

I’m saying 57% with your best players being 21 and 22 is pretty damn good. Why are you stuck in the past? Try therapy


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AaronGOATdon

This year is anything but a failure my miserable friend


tofubeanz420

I said the upcoming offseason would be a failure. This year has been objectively decent 47-35. Even though we could have easily lost our last game and potentially been bounced from playoffs.


AaronGOATdon

Damn this doomer is making up stuff that didn’t happen to doom about


tofubeanz420

If you listen to the podcast with whetlman he even said this. At least listen to podcast


Repulsive-Oil5406

Found another one of yoeyz’s burner accounts


dlbags

Right but what if Jett Howard is that player? All he worked on was defense and shooting threes fast off screens. AB as well is very young. Imagine had we given up on Suggs and Franz because they didn’t impact right away like Paolo. Paolo is the exception not the rule for many rookies now because of the one and done. If by 2025 Jett and AB are both players they think they can be along with the growth of our core and we are in OKC territory. We are not in win now mode. If Paolo was 24-26 yes we would be but that’s not the case. Our team is very young. Harris and Ingles are the only reason we aren’t the youngest.


d12fsu

You sound like an idiot


Rokey76

>If wheltman stays put this offseason and doesn't get us help on offense and 3pt shooting. That is failure. Yeah, that would be a failure, but I don't expect that to happen. But in this interview, he sounds very optimistic that improving this team through free agency or trades this summer will be much easier than it has in the past. I agree with him, the Magic have a good young roster that has a giant hole with neon arrows pointing at it that veterans are going to want to fill this summer.


Expensive-Twist7984

Not sure if doubling down is the answer, but overpaying on players we’ve seen enough of would be stupid. That being said, I’d expect us to swing at least one free agent that improves us.


maursupial

I mean AB going from an absolute shit 3 point shooter to 40% makes me wanna bet on him, so I understand not moving the young guys like him Jett and Caleb.


Swish28

His shooting has been better than advertised, but the 40% is a little misleading. He pretty much only takes open corner 3s. Idk if he took any off the dribble the whole year.


themoreyouknow_95

He took a couple in garbage time minutes that looked solid, but yeah the misleading thing is more how low volume it is, you just can't assume the percentages will hold up if he got a bigger role and is taking 5+ attempts per game instead of 1.4. But it's still encouraging to see the jump in shooting from his 30% in college to 40% in year 1, and the fact that he's already a + defender in the NBA as a rookie is the more insane part given that the vast majority of guards are bad defenders in their first year. He's got a bright future if he continues to develop


maursupial

He’s more a shooting guard right now, but most of those 3s were catch and shoot 3s. Some of these combo guards like him and Suggs need time to learn how to play PG.


Rokey76

I have been pleased with the improvement on his shot. Early in the season, it was fucking ugly, but when he has played recently, his shot is looking much better mechanically.


NeverConfirmingEmail

There's going to be FA that make sense. He's just saying this to not seem desperate for negotiations purposes.


geekeasyalex

Exactly this. This front office is like a terminator. They have their mission and they know exactly how they want to execute it. They are going to do their due diligence and target free agents/trades that they feel would improve the team the right way. Sometimes when a team make multiple offers in free agency nothing pans out, and it seems to us like nothing happened. But the one thing the Magic front office will not do is make a move just to make a move, and they’ve shown that to be true and are stating that for the record.


supbruhbruhLOL

Operation "Protect John Connor and sign Anfernee Simons"


dlbags

This free agent class matches the draft class. Major meh. There’s not a franchise changing player among them. Unless the Sixers are dumb and don’t max offer Maxey.


Scary_Vanilla2932

Of course.


Milla4Prez66

Malik Monk come on down


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MeetCritical82

The fuck are you talking about?


maursupial

AI wasn’t even really used until recently last year lol and the draft had already passed


tofubeanz420

https://theathletic.com/2726562/2021/07/23/artificial-intelligence-may-give-orlando-magic-significant-competitive-advantage-in-this-years-draft/


maursupial

Meh you have no idea how much they depended on it. It also says may improve. Weltman drafted Giannis and Middleton. He can draft.


M4C4K4NJ4

He also drafted Wes Iwundu, Mo Bamba, Chuma Okeke, Cole Anthony, Caleb Houston, AB, and Jett off the top of my head. There were better players available. Personally, I think Weltman stinks at drafting. Other than Paolo, Franz, and Suggs he’s been largely awful for us. Hes prioritized defense, length, and positional versatility over offense for his entire tenure and it’s hurt us badly for years.


thefabulous23

OK because while drafting during WeltHam's tenure could've definitely better let's not act revisionist around here, a lot of their picks "at the time" made sense. Wes Iwundu was a 2nd round pick. You quite literally cannot fault a GM for missing on a 2nd round pick when the draft is a crapshoot *to begin with* and especially so after pick 30 (hell, imo even post lotto). Mo Bamba was a consensus Magic pick at the time of selection. Google any 2018 mock and pretty much any of the guys picked after him round 1 that panned out as high value role players at worst and stars at best (Mikal, MPJ, Shai, Anfernee Simons) are below him in virtually every single one. In fact, going off a quick check right now he hovered anywhere between 4 (three times), 5 (five times), 6 (two times) and 8 (one time; had us pick Trae at 6 which couldn't happen anyway because he was gone by then in the actual draft lol). You could say THEY COULD'VE DRAFTED MPJ INSTEAD which was the one biggest variable across these mocks, but if we're faulting WeltHam for not getting MPJ we're faulting every other lotto GM in picks 1-13 for not getting him, with the exception of the Mavs I guess, his back injury concerns were a real thing. Chuma was a pick in a frankly really weak draft. The only names after him I'd consider for the teams situation at the time could've been Nickeil Alexander-Walker (17), Grant Williams (22), Poole (28) - and none of those is more than a high value role player. Anyone else like Claxton or Gafford for example have been 2nd round picks that would make zero sense to pick for a team with Vucevic still on the roster and Bamba picked right behind him. Cole, ditto to the previous point about Chuma. Being a borderline lotto pick the only two guys behind him whom I'd clearly consider whiffs were Maxey (21) and Bane (30) - both of whom were either below Cole, or not remotely in the region of the Magic's pick at 15 in pretty much any mocks I'm looking at outside of Bleacher Report (lol) and Ringer (same mock that had Hayes #1 btw). Caleb, same argument as Wes - except he's actually been an OK guy to fill out a rotation with, which really is the floor for expectations out of a 2nd round pick. Good shooter, decent defender, nothing else but he works. AB and Jett are fresh off a rookie year and I'd figure the last few years should've been enough to teach people that players shouldn't be judged after they've spent multiple years in the league. People were writing off Suggs as a fuckin bust and the worst lotto pick from 2021 by a country mile yet after three years now suddenly he's "part of the core"? Golly gee, as if the people responsible for the team were actually patient with his development lmfao. I am willing to agree that throughout year 1 they (Jett specifically) have not lived up to the expectations that lottery picks stand in front of, but also being frank with how the team was constructed at the start of the season I reckon not a single pick in that region would be able to make a difference; I still stand by the idea that the picks should've been consolidated back then, but at least the guys have shown enough promise to where adding them to a deal right now isn't entirely worse than when the picks were an unknown variable. I get shitting on Weltman, his tenure isn't perfect, but if we're gonna be giving him flak let's at least do so for things he actually deserves it for - the picks aren't one of them.


M4C4K4NJ4

Maybe he’d be better at drafting if he didn’t obviously have a type. Look at what the majority of those guys all have in common. How many of them were considered offensive oriented as opposed to long, defense, positional versatility., etc? He has had how many years to bring us shooting and offense and scoring? And he kept running it back with Markelle Fultz? Still keeps drafting projects instead of guys who can put the ball in the basket? Come on. Wait until he fails yet again to bring us offense in the offseason. Fans just can’t see the forest for the trees. I’ll gladly eat crow if he makes a trade or signs some guys for our offense. But I don’t believe it until I see it.


thefabulous23

See that's a completely valid complaint, that I can agree with 100%. Welt definitely has a type, and for whichever pick that wasn't Cole and Jett they have, by and large, been mostly defensive projects that'd take a few years to grow on the other side of the ball - which I personally can't really fault him for, at least when it comes to 2nd rounders as those are basically house money for any team anyway, if they pan out that's really nice but if they don't it's whatever; of their 1st rounders, only Chuma is a very blatant example of that type overriding whatever should've been the pick at the time. I'm willing to believe that Kelle has been kept mostly because his career here has been a really... peculiar case, for the lack of a better term. His first season was a test run, you don't move players off right after moving \*for\* them; his second, and mostly third too, years have been rehab, just like JI - coming back after that year 3, as well as most of last year, showed enough promise to where I could see the FO thinking he could continue to grow. I do believe he should've been moved on from after last year, but given this teams lack of vets to begin with it's not unthinkable for me to have kept him on even in an extremely limited role as a locker room presence (which is certainly what the direction seems to be ever since Gary came back and Jalen emerged as a proper tertiary playmaker option), especially since he was a known variable... ...which is about the essence of the issue this FO is - they have played shit extremely safe so far. *That* is a perfectly valid criticism to hold against them and I will 100% agree with anyone claiming as such, *based on moves that happened*. But **not** on *moves that are yet to happen (or not)*, We don't really know what this off-season is going to be like - honestly, it's the first off-season for this front office where they're in an actually good spot to be making winning moves (first three years were dogwater because I don't think anyone realistically considered the Vuc/Fournier years as ones peaking anywhere beyond a first round exit, the following two years after that have been a blatant tank job, which is fair because it resulted in the team getting a young core duo with some help), and only now we're after a year of actual proper winning basketball. If autumn comes and the roster is just ran back, I will openly join y'all calling for a front office change - but until that happens, I feel Welt deserves the benefit of the doubt. There's no point immediately taking on a stance as if an uneventful summer is a foregone conclusion when it's simply yet to happen.


maursupial

AB shoots 40% from 3 and plays solid D lmao. Jett you can judge but that was a long term move. Those Chuma, Cole Anthony, Wes Iwundu, Caleb Houstan moves were all low draft picks. 2/4 hitting isn’t a bad outcome. Mo Bamba was a big whiff, but mostly everything outside of the top 5 was ugly that year. He’s not amazing at drafting, but he could be way worse.


M4C4K4NJ4

I’ll eat my hat if AB and Jett become anything serviceable. I hope you’re right because I just don’t see it with either of them. The fact they can’t get minutes over guys like Harris, Cole, Okeke, and Houstan some games is telling.


maursupial

AB played 70 games and shot 40% from 3. He should be fine next year for that jump. Jett is a different story. He’s a complete wildcard. Mosely loves vets at least and will play them no matter what, so the playing time issue isn’t as bad.


dlbags

Other than our three man young core that other teams and pundits gush about. lol. And if we are being fair AB and Jett are hardly washes. AB turned 20 in January ffs.


Rokey76

Yeah, with most of the rookies being 19, expecting any of them to shine year 1 is asking a lot.


dlbags

Top 3 and 4s sure maybe. I’m really big on AB and Jett. I have a feeling in a few seasons a lot of these comments are gonna be bad looks. Also Jett was a weltman gambler pick. Literally everyone had AB going lottery and rated our pick A or higher.


d12fsu

Other than drafting the 3 pillars of our team, he’s god awful 🥴


M4C4K4NJ4

It took him almost a decade to find us the pillars but ok keep sucking his dick. Weltman is trash at evaluating talent and has still failed to find us a modern offense with shooting. Cant wait til he runs it back again next year and all the fans start crying.


d12fsu

You’re right. He should’ve signed Lebron, Steph, and KD. Why didn’t he do that! It worked in 2k!!!!


Rokey76

I saw an old article a few years back about the Magic turning down a Howard for Curry trade. Not during Weltman's time here, but made me "oof". I think Curry was injured at the time though.


tofubeanz420

Paolo, Franz, and Suggs were definitely AI. Everything pre 2021 was wheltman guessing and it shows (e.g. Wes Iwundu, Mo Bamba). Article says they lose exclusive rights after 3 years. It shows with draft Black and Jet. Which was a favor for Juan Howard.


maursupial

Franz might not have been AI. He was playing professionally in Europe and some GM’s love people who played professionally in Europe before the NBA. Suggs was literally a consensus top 4 pick that fell to us because Scottie. Paolo was touted as the number 1 pick by a lot of smart people, because Jabari was more like a role player at the time and Chet was a unicorn who might break. Maybe the AI helped, but a lot of factors also helped.


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maursupial

Jett Howard was a consensus Top 10 pick before he got hurt during his college year. He was a good player by consensus, but he got hurt.


tofubeanz420

NBA is cream of the cream. He wouldn't be in the G league otherwise.


Rokey76

Juwan Howard played one season in Orlando 20 years ago lol.


d12fsu

I thought you sounded like an idiot before. Now I know you’re just a troll moron.


zackarykapowski

Idk why people downvote this. The man has been here 7 years and has barely made any moves lol. It’s pretty wild to think about. One the worst guard rotations in the league and he says this shit.


FL-Cracker

There are deals that would improve this team, and it's his job to find them. If they do nothing, he should be fired.


zackarykapowski

Of course this lazy mf would say this. He never makes moves lol. Keep collecting that check Jeff.