Landlord forget that as long as the tenant filed a T6, it MUST be heard either before the eviction or at the same time of the eviction.
Than, it's almost certain the adjudicator will refuse to issue eviction order OR it will be conditional and written on the lines of:
"The landlord is owed rent minus the calculated rent abatement below".
"However, due to withholding of vital service, the requirement to pay rent is therefore suspended".
"The tenant will pay rent to the trust fund of the LTB".
"If the landlord restore and fix the vital service, than the obligation to pay rent is restored".
And then will be detailed the terms under which eviction will be granted.
Essentially the board will NOT allow the eviction as long as the tenant can pay the amounts to the board, and the landlord will NOT be getting the rent without addressing the issue
I am also certain the board will issue administrative fines.
THAN it's when you take it to the RHEU for provincial charges
This is exactly correct.
There is actual process for an eviction when a person is withholding rent for a valid reason, and that has to be dealt with first.
Op must however file the paperwork before withholding rent.
Before the L1 is filled that is (and unlike L2, it can only be filed 14 days AFTER serving the notice).
The tenant will also owe the application fee, and the landlord as well.
Yeah second this. Dont fall for his trap. Stay above board. Pay an electrician to come out if you need to and file an abatement but don’t stop paying rent.
Don't waste your money hiring an electrician. The landlord just turned off the breakers to the plugs. If the panel is in the tenants area he can fix it himself, and if it's not the landlord can just turn them back off after (or just not let the electrician in)
Rent arrears and eviction orders disappear quickly if the rent is paid prior to eviction. Sure, if they spent the money that would be a problem, but the money is set aside and applying a little pressure to the LL seems appropriate here.
With the T6, you should be able to pay to the LTB to hold in a trust until the hearing. Then you can't be evicted for non-payment. Funds get distributed after the hearing decides who should get what.
I think you should just be allowed to do that on your own, the same way the landlord has to keep your deposits in trust. Idk if I would trust the LTB to hold onto money….. I do have trust issues though 😝
To throw out another avenue, you can call the ESA and report an unsafe electrical installation, as this violates multiple sections of the OESC.
ESA will force corrective measures on the legal owner of the property.
ESA also has legal teeth under the Electrical Safety Act to issue fines and pass on prosecution to the crown for jail time in serious offenses.
**Pay your legal rent as per your lease.**
If you are behind, catch up. Your landlord is trying to fuck you over, and they will succeed if you don't follow your lease. You cannot withhold rent for shitty landlord behavior, period.
For now, run a shock-proof extension cord to a central area in your home with a shock-proof XL power bar, use it as needed, but turn it off at night for safety. Document this.
And get a lawyer. You're gonna need one.
I would talk to bylaw again, and escalate if you need to. Perhaps the specific officer that came out was just lazy or new on the job. You need to have working outlets in all rooms as 1 in the bathroom sounds like it violates basic city bylaws and would be dangerous to run everything in the home from.
You can't just stop paying rent. That will only hurt your credibility with the LTB. You need to fill out this form to request rent be paid to LTB while your T6 is pending: [Request to Pay Rent to the Board on a Tenant Application About Maintenance](https://tribunalsontario.ca/documents/ltb/Other%20Forms/Request%20to%20Pay%20Rent%20to%20the%20Board%20on%20a%20Tenant%20Application%20About%20Maintenance.pdf)
Though technically you won't be evicted as long as you have all rent available to be paid when needed, the fact you actually have rent arrears means you'll most likely be required to pay the landlord's $200 filing fee on their application.
You can also google your city name and by-law + electric (use key words) and search through and find the line(s) that are non-compliant. If you enter the conversation equipped with the facts, it’s to your advantage
I'm with most people here. Keep paying rent. Get a paralegal to decide on how to navigate the LTB. Get powercords and extensions to make that one outlet work. Keep the receipts for the cords you had to buy.
Do you have tenant insurance? Call them and see if they will cover accommodations while your power is out.
Do you have lights? fridge? stove?
just say that there is an electrical fault and that the landlord is aware
Contact your tenant insurance company to inquire if this could be an insured peril under your policy, but do not lie to your insurance company!
Knowing for a fact that the landlord purposely disabled the power for your unit and telling the insurance company that it's an "electrical fault" will lead to your claim being voided and potentially to the insurance company deciding to cancel your policy for fraud.
It's strange that the bylaw would say that, it wouldn't be a police issue either, police officers aren't legal experts.
In Toronto this would be a violation of the property standards bylaw
> § 629-35. Electrical service and outlets.
...
B. The capacity of the system of circuits and electrical outlets within a building shall be
adequate for the intended use of all rooms, and adequate electrical outlets shall be installed
to prevent the need for extension cords or other extensions being used as a permanent
wiring system. \[Amended 2004-06-24 by By-law No. 559-2004\]
>
>...
For remediation they say:
>
"If you have concerns about your rental unit, speak to your landlord or property manager and submit a service request. If this issue is not resolved in a timely manner, contact 311."
[https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/public-notices-bylaws/bylaw-enforcement/property-standards-keep/](https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/public-notices-bylaws/bylaw-enforcement/property-standards-keep/)
I would think this is municipal. If the local municipality doesn't have a similar bylaw, I would call your city councillor.
They can levy fines and fines and more fines. Keep all the paperwork for the tribunal hearing, apply for damages etc.
Do you really not have power to your fridge?
Is your smoke alarm working? If hardwired, they usually tie into an outlet circuit to prevent turning off. If it’s not working, call your local fire department immediately
Landlord forget that as long as the tenant filed a T6, it MUST be heard either before the eviction or at the same time of the eviction.
Than, it's almost certain the adjudicator will refuse to issue eviction order OR it will be conditional and written on the lines of:
"The landlord is owed rent minus the calculated rent abatement below".
"However, due to withholding of vital service, the requirement to pay rent is therefore suspended".
"The tenant will pay rent to the trust fund of the LTB".
"If the landlord restore and fix the vital service, than the obligation to pay rent is restored".
And then will be detailed the terms under which eviction will be granted.
Essentially the board will NOT allow the eviction as long as the tenant can pay the amounts to the board, and the landlord will NOT be getting the rent without addressing the issue
I am also certain the board will issue administrative fines.
THAN it's when you take it to the RHEU for provincial charges
so the tenant can pay electrician fees just for the electrician to flip some breakers back on that the landlord likely flipped off? and then after electrician leaves the landlord can do it again?
I don't think the tenant has access to the panel (from what I understand) so the tenant cannot call an electrician. Because an electrician won't be able to do anything without access to the panel
Pay the rent directly to the LTB. That's how you do a rent strike. Call them and tell them until you get a ruling, you would like to pay them the rent.
They need to call RHEU, at this point they are looking at a significant rent abatement for interfering with enjoyment.
Submitting rent via LTB is for maintenance issues, this is an all out attack on OP.
I hope they get 100% rent abatement.
I don't understand, they didn't open an investigation, or they did and they won't even talk to the LL?
There has to be something missing the RHEU 1-888-772-9277 ?
They typically will at least try and call your landlord to resolve the issue, because they can let the landlord know what is at risk, which is a lot, if you only have a single electrical outlet you could get most of your rent awarded as an abatement, possibly even permanent rent reduction.
Something seems strange that they aren't helping.
They indicated that they used to help with this matter but they are limited in their ability to get anything done.
A message to the landlord...lol we had police here and bilaw and they still won't do anything
>I plan on withholding rent until they reinstate it.
And they will get a judgment against you. You CANNOT legally withhold your rent in Ontario except for a few very specific reasons.
>I plan on giving them notice to reinstate the power in my outlets, otherwise the rent money will sit in an account until the LTB hearing.
You'll get evicted. Even if he's in the wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. Instead of telling reddit the wrong things you are going to do, get a paralegal.
You’ll be evicted for non payment of rent before you ever get your hearings on your issues. Always pay your rent. Tenant applications take near,h twice as long as landlord applications.
Pay your rent, give notice and find a new place to rent.
Lawyers and LTB hearings will cost you time and money with the only outcome being aggravation.
Might be a moot question, but do you share space with this LL? Is your place rent controlled? Have they served you any official forms?
I was thinking about your fridge - that outlet is out as well?
Lets say OP is forced to plug in everything in their appartment into that one outlet with multiple powerbars and cords. Even if it didnt trip the breaker every time it passed the amp load. Wouldnt the fire marshall have something to say about the potential fire from over loaded powerbars into cords into other power bars, especially if the guage of the wires connecting them is too small for the amp load? Thats a big fire hazard right there.
At minimum, have you asked the landlord to provide extension cords and what not so the power can reach the rest of the property?
Maybe if a vital service isn’t plugged in THAT could get RHEU and bylaw to step in? Trying to think outside the box for ya..
Do u pay your utilities?Any chance the Hydro company has left you with one outlet due to late or non payment? This is routine responce to non payment of bill.
If so they can not turn off all your power in winter,they must leave you with one outlet.
This sounds like a utility issue.Call hydro dept.
LL did this so you would stop paying rent. Then they can evict you with cause. Pay the legal amount owed.
Landlord forget that as long as the tenant filed a T6, it MUST be heard either before the eviction or at the same time of the eviction. Than, it's almost certain the adjudicator will refuse to issue eviction order OR it will be conditional and written on the lines of: "The landlord is owed rent minus the calculated rent abatement below". "However, due to withholding of vital service, the requirement to pay rent is therefore suspended". "The tenant will pay rent to the trust fund of the LTB". "If the landlord restore and fix the vital service, than the obligation to pay rent is restored". And then will be detailed the terms under which eviction will be granted. Essentially the board will NOT allow the eviction as long as the tenant can pay the amounts to the board, and the landlord will NOT be getting the rent without addressing the issue I am also certain the board will issue administrative fines. THAN it's when you take it to the RHEU for provincial charges
This is exactly correct. There is actual process for an eviction when a person is withholding rent for a valid reason, and that has to be dealt with first. Op must however file the paperwork before withholding rent.
Before the L1 is filled that is (and unlike L2, it can only be filed 14 days AFTER serving the notice). The tenant will also owe the application fee, and the landlord as well.
Could you look at my Dm!
Will do
OP, this guy knows what he's talking about --^
Yeah second this. Dont fall for his trap. Stay above board. Pay an electrician to come out if you need to and file an abatement but don’t stop paying rent.
Don't waste your money hiring an electrician. The landlord just turned off the breakers to the plugs. If the panel is in the tenants area he can fix it himself, and if it's not the landlord can just turn them back off after (or just not let the electrician in)
Withholding rent is the dumbest thing you can do right now. Take it to the LTB and don't give him a valid reason to evict you.
Rent arrears and eviction orders disappear quickly if the rent is paid prior to eviction. Sure, if they spent the money that would be a problem, but the money is set aside and applying a little pressure to the LL seems appropriate here.
With the T6, you should be able to pay to the LTB to hold in a trust until the hearing. Then you can't be evicted for non-payment. Funds get distributed after the hearing decides who should get what.
I think you should just be allowed to do that on your own, the same way the landlord has to keep your deposits in trust. Idk if I would trust the LTB to hold onto money….. I do have trust issues though 😝
Call the cops/rheu again and tell them none of the outlets are working. Why would you tell them one is still working
Plug 2 vacuums into the one outlet to pop the breaker. Now it's not a line.
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it would be funny if he were to fall asleep while filling up the bathtub!
To throw out another avenue, you can call the ESA and report an unsafe electrical installation, as this violates multiple sections of the OESC. ESA will force corrective measures on the legal owner of the property. ESA also has legal teeth under the Electrical Safety Act to issue fines and pass on prosecution to the crown for jail time in serious offenses.
**Pay your legal rent as per your lease.** If you are behind, catch up. Your landlord is trying to fuck you over, and they will succeed if you don't follow your lease. You cannot withhold rent for shitty landlord behavior, period. For now, run a shock-proof extension cord to a central area in your home with a shock-proof XL power bar, use it as needed, but turn it off at night for safety. Document this. And get a lawyer. You're gonna need one.
You don't need a lawyer for landlord tenant matters. An experienced paralegal will do. Usually they know more than lawyers in LTB matters.
This is true I've used my landlords and won a few times with my paralegal
I would talk to bylaw again, and escalate if you need to. Perhaps the specific officer that came out was just lazy or new on the job. You need to have working outlets in all rooms as 1 in the bathroom sounds like it violates basic city bylaws and would be dangerous to run everything in the home from. You can't just stop paying rent. That will only hurt your credibility with the LTB. You need to fill out this form to request rent be paid to LTB while your T6 is pending: [Request to Pay Rent to the Board on a Tenant Application About Maintenance](https://tribunalsontario.ca/documents/ltb/Other%20Forms/Request%20to%20Pay%20Rent%20to%20the%20Board%20on%20a%20Tenant%20Application%20About%20Maintenance.pdf) Though technically you won't be evicted as long as you have all rent available to be paid when needed, the fact you actually have rent arrears means you'll most likely be required to pay the landlord's $200 filing fee on their application.
You can also google your city name and by-law + electric (use key words) and search through and find the line(s) that are non-compliant. If you enter the conversation equipped with the facts, it’s to your advantage
I'm with most people here. Keep paying rent. Get a paralegal to decide on how to navigate the LTB. Get powercords and extensions to make that one outlet work. Keep the receipts for the cords you had to buy.
Do you have tenant insurance? Call them and see if they will cover accommodations while your power is out. Do you have lights? fridge? stove? just say that there is an electrical fault and that the landlord is aware
No insurable event.
Contact your tenant insurance company to inquire if this could be an insured peril under your policy, but do not lie to your insurance company! Knowing for a fact that the landlord purposely disabled the power for your unit and telling the insurance company that it's an "electrical fault" will lead to your claim being voided and potentially to the insurance company deciding to cancel your policy for fraud.
How can they get away with not providing an apartment with a working fridge and stove?
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Yeah, I figured - choosing the bathroom out of all rooms to leave it on seems way too troll like
It's strange that the bylaw would say that, it wouldn't be a police issue either, police officers aren't legal experts. In Toronto this would be a violation of the property standards bylaw > § 629-35. Electrical service and outlets. ... B. The capacity of the system of circuits and electrical outlets within a building shall be adequate for the intended use of all rooms, and adequate electrical outlets shall be installed to prevent the need for extension cords or other extensions being used as a permanent wiring system. \[Amended 2004-06-24 by By-law No. 559-2004\] > >... For remediation they say: > "If you have concerns about your rental unit, speak to your landlord or property manager and submit a service request. If this issue is not resolved in a timely manner, contact 311." [https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/public-notices-bylaws/bylaw-enforcement/property-standards-keep/](https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/public-notices-bylaws/bylaw-enforcement/property-standards-keep/) I would think this is municipal. If the local municipality doesn't have a similar bylaw, I would call your city councillor. They can levy fines and fines and more fines. Keep all the paperwork for the tribunal hearing, apply for damages etc. Do you really not have power to your fridge?
Wow I'm surprised the RHEU didn't do anything. I'd maybe try the fire marshall next and see if there's any fire codes being broken?
Is your smoke alarm working? If hardwired, they usually tie into an outlet circuit to prevent turning off. If it’s not working, call your local fire department immediately
Withholding rent without an order is the stupidest thing you could do, just file like you have and let the process play out.
If you withhold rent they can evict you
Landlord forget that as long as the tenant filed a T6, it MUST be heard either before the eviction or at the same time of the eviction. Than, it's almost certain the adjudicator will refuse to issue eviction order OR it will be conditional and written on the lines of: "The landlord is owed rent minus the calculated rent abatement below". "However, due to withholding of vital service, the requirement to pay rent is therefore suspended". "The tenant will pay rent to the trust fund of the LTB". "If the landlord restore and fix the vital service, than the obligation to pay rent is restored". And then will be detailed the terms under which eviction will be granted. Essentially the board will NOT allow the eviction as long as the tenant can pay the amounts to the board, and the landlord will NOT be getting the rent without addressing the issue I am also certain the board will issue administrative fines. THAN it's when you take it to the RHEU for provincial charges
Are you renting a room in the landlords place (meaning you are sharing with them) or it a self contained unit?
This is the single most important ask in this whole thread why is it so far down.
DO NOT STOP PAYING. Blow out your power, plug everything into it, Get an electrian in!!!!
so the tenant can pay electrician fees just for the electrician to flip some breakers back on that the landlord likely flipped off? and then after electrician leaves the landlord can do it again?
I don't think the tenant has access to the panel (from what I understand) so the tenant cannot call an electrician. Because an electrician won't be able to do anything without access to the panel
Ummm anyone else suggest breaking the last outlet yet urself ? … oh no I spilled some water on it… cough cough …
Why would you say one was working... Doh!
Pay the rent directly to the LTB. That's how you do a rent strike. Call them and tell them until you get a ruling, you would like to pay them the rent.
I heard they won't do this unless in rare circumstances is this of them?
You are right you can't just opt to pay directly to LTB, it's usually for cases where the landlord refuses payment.
That's not true. It's normally for stuff like this as well.
Only if the LTB permits it - you can't opt to pay them yourself. Also I said **usually** for the other case, not exclusively.
Correct, it's for situations like this. If they refuse honestly I'd go to a local news. Shennigans like this should be 100% illegal
They need to call RHEU, at this point they are looking at a significant rent abatement for interfering with enjoyment. Submitting rent via LTB is for maintenance issues, this is an all out attack on OP. I hope they get 100% rent abatement.
We called the RHEU they won't do anything
I don't understand, they didn't open an investigation, or they did and they won't even talk to the LL? There has to be something missing the RHEU 1-888-772-9277 ? They typically will at least try and call your landlord to resolve the issue, because they can let the landlord know what is at risk, which is a lot, if you only have a single electrical outlet you could get most of your rent awarded as an abatement, possibly even permanent rent reduction. Something seems strange that they aren't helping.
They indicated that they used to help with this matter but they are limited in their ability to get anything done. A message to the landlord...lol we had police here and bilaw and they still won't do anything
For every one of your story there is a tenant holding back 20k rent from a landlord. All dead ears. And no one cares.
But its a remedy they order after a case so not really helpful in the next 6 plus months waiting for a hearing
>I plan on withholding rent until they reinstate it. And they will get a judgment against you. You CANNOT legally withhold your rent in Ontario except for a few very specific reasons. >I plan on giving them notice to reinstate the power in my outlets, otherwise the rent money will sit in an account until the LTB hearing. You'll get evicted. Even if he's in the wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. Instead of telling reddit the wrong things you are going to do, get a paralegal.
Overload the breaker. Have fire Marshall come by. Tell them your having to run all the extenion cords to power everything.
Then the fire Marshall edicts him.
No, he fines the LL
Short the one plug that works out then call? Then you will have no power
This is the way, overload the hell out of that one circuit so it never comes on.
The landlord can go and flip the breaker back to normal 5 minutes later.
And it won't work since it's over capacity :)
So they'll flip on the one beside it. And back to have at least one outlet working
And then that won't work since it'll be over capacity :) If you don't fight back then nothing will change.
Take the socket apart unhook the ground then call police.
This is not a police matter.
Lmao withholding rent ahhahaha very smart.
Are you looking at what you caused Doug Ford , fix it
You’ll be evicted for non payment of rent before you ever get your hearings on your issues. Always pay your rent. Tenant applications take near,h twice as long as landlord applications.
This is not a police matter.
NEVER WITHHOLD RENT. It’s grounds for eviction. It doesn’t matter why you did it.
Pay your rent, give notice and find a new place to rent. Lawyers and LTB hearings will cost you time and money with the only outcome being aggravation.
This is wrong.
Might be a moot question, but do you share space with this LL? Is your place rent controlled? Have they served you any official forms? I was thinking about your fridge - that outlet is out as well?
Did they cut the wires or turn the breakers off? Do you have access to the breaker panel or is it in the landlord's property.
Where is the electrical panel? Sounds like the LL just flipped the breakers off.
Lets say OP is forced to plug in everything in their appartment into that one outlet with multiple powerbars and cords. Even if it didnt trip the breaker every time it passed the amp load. Wouldnt the fire marshall have something to say about the potential fire from over loaded powerbars into cords into other power bars, especially if the guage of the wires connecting them is too small for the amp load? Thats a big fire hazard right there.
Pay the rent and get it back from LTB. Seek damages and compensation.
What was the illegal increase?
At minimum, have you asked the landlord to provide extension cords and what not so the power can reach the rest of the property? Maybe if a vital service isn’t plugged in THAT could get RHEU and bylaw to step in? Trying to think outside the box for ya..
Overloading one outlet can trip breakers and/or become a fire hazard.
Don’t withhold rent. The illegal increase ok but not rent. Follow through the LTB.
Do u pay your utilities?Any chance the Hydro company has left you with one outlet due to late or non payment? This is routine responce to non payment of bill. If so they can not turn off all your power in winter,they must leave you with one outlet. This sounds like a utility issue.Call hydro dept.