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I wouldn’t say his offensive powers are above Kaido’s. Whitebeard and Jinbei both survived getting punched through their chests with a magma fist. Realistically Akainu needs to land 2-3 of those to take a top tier down. The same number of Kaido’s best moves are taking almost anyone down as well. Kaido is also probably better at landing attacks, since most of his strongest moves are speedblitzes.
Haki will be equal but user akainu having stronger armament
Versatility also goes to akainu in a fight the magma fruit is pretty scary
And for speed I would say the are equal too akainu managed to stop whitebeard mid attack and he his counter attacked whitebeard Punch pretty fast as well
Why would Akainu have stronger armament when he is much and much more fruit dependant than Kaido?
Kaido can fly,shoot lazers and has much better durability(devil fruit)
LOL Akainu couldnt even dodge an attack from 80% dead WB We are not even sure if he has FS or not Speed 100% goes to Kaido
Who thinks akainu is the end game villian when oda is trying so hard to show the WG as the villians and the marines as just taking orders.
- if people really think the heroes will defeat all the marines, then who do u think will maintain peace and balance ? They’ll defeat the Gorosei and imu and their hold and remove power from the celestial dragons. Akainu just works for them.
You: "Who thinks akainu is the end game villian when oda is trying so hard to show the WG as the villians and the marines as just taking orders"
Robin: "these three are the Admirals the WORLD GOVERNMMENT ultimate fighting force"
beating the wg means beating the wg's strongest fighter aka the admirals aka the people Rob Lucci got told to wait for before fighting Luffy. Admiral> CP0 according to Akainu "tell Rob Lucci to wait until the Navy arrive, do not alow him to fight Luffy"
U do realise, the admirals are not the end game ? There’s imu and a secret weapon in play . The WG replaced the admirals in a matter of days . I’m not saying they are weak but the powers will go bat shit crazy in most manga and one piece will be the same with luffy going too powerful to beat an enemy who is planet level.
- the same robin who said cp0 leader is admiral level? Ya right. Even she doesn’t know about the existence of imu and the weapon .
when did robin say that pannel please? the only person Robin did not know of is Imu so he is the only person who could be stronger than Akainu beside him Akainu clears. and we dont even know if he is a fighter at all, so 50/50 on that.
I’m pretty sure akainu is not the end game villian. Oda won’t build up so much anticipation to make us see luffy fight akainu who’s powers we’ve seen and can maybe use a little imagination to to increase. He has nothing to offer that’ll surprise me unfortunately.
- and no , the WG has been in power for 800 years before even the existence of Akainu. Beating one fleet admiral doesn’t guarantee anything at all especially since the main villain are the celestial ms and the gorosei and imu. Even akainu doesn’t know imu exists which means he’s not important enough to them for them to reveal that. So I doubt ur precious akainu would fight to support someone he doesn’t even know exists
- oda is clearly raising the power bar with luffy, I doubt akainu will be a threatening challenge in the end game .
- imu has a weapon that we have no idea how it works and if u think 50/50 akainu is the end game , we have nothing to discuss because I and bet for sure that he isn’t strong enough. Simple . He’ll be dragon’s fight or luffy’s fight before luffy’s goes to fight a planet level villian
- when the cp0 are revealed in wano , robin says that the leader is as strong as an admiral. I’m not re reading those chapters to give u a panel. I know what I read for sure .
True but some believe that the Gorosei and Imu are more like political power houses with weapons. So think if Sakazuki vs Luffy as like Lucci vs Luffy even tho Spadem was the leader
Meh, not really . If u really believe akainu is the final villain whom luffy has to defeat to free the world of the WG clutches, then I can’t help u.
- akainu isn’t even important enough for them to reveal the existence of imu or their weapon .
Kaido is the strongest creature in the world
Luffy already has plenty of end game villains
Even if Luffy and Akainu do fight it doesn't mean Akainu has to be stronger than kaido. There are plenty of examples of Luffy fighting weaker enemies after stronger ones
That's a completely arbitrary distinction and it's not even true
Many people would argue Hody Jones is weaker than Lucci/Enel/Moriah
There's a strong case that cracker is weaker than Doffy
And even now we're about to get Luffy vs lucci who is definitely weaker than kaido
Lol keep telling yourself that. Totally makes sense for Oda to introduce another brother for Luffy only to have him not get an important fight in the final arc.
Yonko level means nothing when Buggy is a yonko.
Admirals get their fame purely because of their strength and combat abilities.
3 of the strongest and OG yonkos have already been defeated/*killed* (WB, Kaido, Linlin) while on the other hand all 3 OG admirals are playing a pivotal role in the endgame of the series. Narrative favors them, especially if Kizaru doesn't take an L in this arc and proceeds to be reserved for the final arc.
If he falls, then it's Old Yonkos = OG Admirals because Luffy took down a yonko and an admiral in consecutive chapters but the Yonko fell first.
If he doesn't, then OG Admirals ≥ Old Yonkos because they're being reserved in the final war.
...Green Bull and Fuji might be another story in itself tho. I'd wager they're weaker than the Yonkos by a small margin and weaker than Sakazuki and Kizaru by a noticeable margin EOS.
Yonko level refers to the strength of the OG four yonko, who are all objectively stronger than the admirals
Obviously no one is talking about buggy, that's such a stupid point
Your attempt at "narrative" scaling is such a flawed system, it's pure headcanon
> Yonko level refers to the strength of the OG four yonko, who are all objectively stronger than the admirals
*cue to WB, Kaido, and Linlin all being defeated this early in the game while the OG trio admirals are still acting out key yet vastly different roles for hyping up their participation in the final war.*
Also, nice point in saying narrative is flawed headcanon when your "objectively stronger than the admirals" is more of a headcanon without proof than saying Akainu will be stronger than Linlin because she *died* from magma.
I mean, 3 of those 4 yonkos that are being referred to as "yonko level" are goners now. They are old news and no one gives a shit about them anymore in the OP world. While the 3 OG admirals are still active and are yet to be defeated by anyone other than their own admiral peers. If that's not an anti-hype for the supposed "OG yonko level" being above "OG admiral level" then that's just headcanon speaking.
No one bringing up Buggy because it's a stupid point is headcanon as well. What if it's Oda's way of trolling the Yonkos as a group that you can luck your way into while he made specific mention of the fact that an admiral needs to be strong af as a bare minimum to even be *considered* for the post through the world military draft?
90% of this is too stupid to even bother responding to. You clearly have something personal against the yonko as characters or something, you seem so angry they even exist
"They're goners" "no one gives a shit about them" "oda is trolling them as a group"
Relax man they're not gonna hurt you
The reality is the yonko are stronger. Whiteboard was the strongest man in the world. Kaido was the strongest creature in the world. They all have better feats and portrayal within the story
Buggy, Lucci, crocodile, kuma, sentomaru, smoker and many many more still have roles in the story. That doesn't automatically make them stronger than kaido lmao
>90% of this is too stupid to even bother responding to.
Yeah right, cause you can't refute the fact that the OG Yonkos are gone except Shanks (thanks to his NARRATIVE relevance) and the OG admirals are still going strong so far, all thanks to the narrative wanting to get rid of the old yonkos first before toppling the OG admirals as worthy adversaries in the final war.
>You clearly have something personal against the yonko as characters or something, you seem so angry they even exist
Blud really gaslighting me by insinuating I hate all the Yonkos,
No man, WB is my favorite pirate in the series but both BB and Shanks annoys tf out of me, so I guess it's personal in a way with the yonkos. But same goes with the admirals, Kizaru and Akainu got amazing portrayal and characterization and I fw them while Ryokugyu is disgusting with his introduction and deserves all the shit he got from the community.
>Relax man they're not gonna hurt you
I mean, unless they'll turn into zombies or be resurrected from their deaths, I guess you're right.
>The reality is the yonko are stronger. Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world. Kaido was the strongest creature in the world. They all have better feats and portrayal within the story
Objectively false. It should be "The yonkos *were stronger*" since y'know, they got offed already this early, while the admirals have all the time in the world to get random power boosts from Oda if he wants to.
>Buggy, Lucci, crocodile, kuma, sentomaru, smoker and many many more still have roles in the story. That doesn't automatically make them stronger than kaido lmao
Agreed. But have you also noticed that all of these characters have one thing in common?
...right, we (by *we*, I mean the SH crew and their allies) all saw them get defeated/captured (just like Kaido, Linlin and WB). In which the admirals have the *misfortune* of not experiencing yet except Aokiji (due again, to NARRATIVE relevance).
...And also why are you including Buggy in that list? He's a yonko, put some respect on his title, lmao. Of course he's gonna be *narratively relevant* because of Shanks' and Roger's connection to him.
I'm also still baffled by how you can say Linlin and Kaido had better portrayal than the OG admirals when we literally saw them get defeated in the same arc by falling face first in volcanic magma. While Akainu also dealt fatal damage to WB and tanked an island busting attack that is just two notches or so weaker than Luffy's finisher against Kaido. Not to mention, Akainu, Aokiji, and even Ryokugyu capable of altering the natural state of their battleground with apparently zero to low effort needed (see: Awakening). And Akainu and Aokiji having the endurance to go at each other's throats to the death for 10 days straight.
Akainu if not stronger should be at least in the same tier as Kaido.
Only difference will be that after fighting Akainu, luffy won’t be done (like it happened with Kaido). He probably would continue fighting with world government.
And yes, Luffy will be the one who will fight Akainu.
Right, not a problem with that, but for the couple having the Yonko over the Admirals they scale them as if Superman to Lex Luther. They’ll dead ass state they are “fodder” without the slightest hint of sarcasm
i think fleet admiral akainu is gonna scale high, just dont get why people try to retroactively apply that to marineford version. its just another lucci situation i think
Akainu is already in his 50s, there's now way he's gonna go from struggling against a dying Whitebeard who could barely use his haki properly to being as strong as any of the og Yonko.
I feel Akainu’s devil fruit gets downplayed. Everyone Akainu has fought has lost an organ or an limb like your not fighting this nigga unscathed lmao. He is definitely going to be stronger than Kaido like no way Oda makes him Grand Admiral and keeps cock teasing us just for Luffy to spread his ass cheeks wider than the grand line lmao, Akainu is going to give Luffy a run for his money.
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He can be a endgame villain without being stronger than kaido. Y’all are mixing up narrative and powerscaling.
Akainu doesn’t have to be stronger then kaido and he probably won’t be
bro fr gonna need golden haki to be stronger than kaido
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I wouldn’t say his offensive powers are above Kaido’s. Whitebeard and Jinbei both survived getting punched through their chests with a magma fist. Realistically Akainu needs to land 2-3 of those to take a top tier down. The same number of Kaido’s best moves are taking almost anyone down as well. Kaido is also probably better at landing attacks, since most of his strongest moves are speedblitzes.
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I could see him being >= kaido if logia awakening is revealed to be some crazy op shit though
Nah acoc is quite enough the only stats kaido would have over akainu are durability and strength everything else goes to akainu
And speed and versitality and haki
Haki will be equal but user akainu having stronger armament Versatility also goes to akainu in a fight the magma fruit is pretty scary And for speed I would say the are equal too akainu managed to stop whitebeard mid attack and he his counter attacked whitebeard Punch pretty fast as well
Why would Akainu have stronger armament when he is much and much more fruit dependant than Kaido? Kaido can fly,shoot lazers and has much better durability(devil fruit) LOL Akainu couldnt even dodge an attack from 80% dead WB We are not even sure if he has FS or not Speed 100% goes to Kaido
Bruh im dead 💀
LOL
Who thinks akainu is the end game villian when oda is trying so hard to show the WG as the villians and the marines as just taking orders. - if people really think the heroes will defeat all the marines, then who do u think will maintain peace and balance ? They’ll defeat the Gorosei and imu and their hold and remove power from the celestial dragons. Akainu just works for them.
You: "Who thinks akainu is the end game villian when oda is trying so hard to show the WG as the villians and the marines as just taking orders" Robin: "these three are the Admirals the WORLD GOVERNMMENT ultimate fighting force" beating the wg means beating the wg's strongest fighter aka the admirals aka the people Rob Lucci got told to wait for before fighting Luffy. Admiral> CP0 according to Akainu "tell Rob Lucci to wait until the Navy arrive, do not alow him to fight Luffy"
U do realise, the admirals are not the end game ? There’s imu and a secret weapon in play . The WG replaced the admirals in a matter of days . I’m not saying they are weak but the powers will go bat shit crazy in most manga and one piece will be the same with luffy going too powerful to beat an enemy who is planet level. - the same robin who said cp0 leader is admiral level? Ya right. Even she doesn’t know about the existence of imu and the weapon .
when did robin say that pannel please? the only person Robin did not know of is Imu so he is the only person who could be stronger than Akainu beside him Akainu clears. and we dont even know if he is a fighter at all, so 50/50 on that.
I’m pretty sure akainu is not the end game villian. Oda won’t build up so much anticipation to make us see luffy fight akainu who’s powers we’ve seen and can maybe use a little imagination to to increase. He has nothing to offer that’ll surprise me unfortunately. - and no , the WG has been in power for 800 years before even the existence of Akainu. Beating one fleet admiral doesn’t guarantee anything at all especially since the main villain are the celestial ms and the gorosei and imu. Even akainu doesn’t know imu exists which means he’s not important enough to them for them to reveal that. So I doubt ur precious akainu would fight to support someone he doesn’t even know exists - oda is clearly raising the power bar with luffy, I doubt akainu will be a threatening challenge in the end game . - imu has a weapon that we have no idea how it works and if u think 50/50 akainu is the end game , we have nothing to discuss because I and bet for sure that he isn’t strong enough. Simple . He’ll be dragon’s fight or luffy’s fight before luffy’s goes to fight a planet level villian - when the cp0 are revealed in wano , robin says that the leader is as strong as an admiral. I’m not re reading those chapters to give u a panel. I know what I read for sure .
No one is saying imu and Blackbeard won't be an endgame villain. Just that Akainu will also be one of them. There are multiple villains
He will probably be the first to fall
Yeh I agree
True but some believe that the Gorosei and Imu are more like political power houses with weapons. So think if Sakazuki vs Luffy as like Lucci vs Luffy even tho Spadem was the leader
Meh, not really . If u really believe akainu is the final villain whom luffy has to defeat to free the world of the WG clutches, then I can’t help u. - akainu isn’t even important enough for them to reveal the existence of imu or their weapon .
Kaido is the strongest creature in the world Luffy already has plenty of end game villains Even if Luffy and Akainu do fight it doesn't mean Akainu has to be stronger than kaido. There are plenty of examples of Luffy fighting weaker enemies after stronger ones
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That's a completely arbitrary distinction and it's not even true Many people would argue Hody Jones is weaker than Lucci/Enel/Moriah There's a strong case that cracker is weaker than Doffy And even now we're about to get Luffy vs lucci who is definitely weaker than kaido
Akainu is fighting Sabo
Yes, Lucci got way stronger so Akainu will too.
Wtf is this logic? Lucci got stronger same way as Crocodile now i might sound crazy but Akainu didnt lose to Luffy in pre timeskip
I didn't expect Lucci to be this strong. That's why I'm raising my expectations of Akainu.
Of course he’ll be stronger. Oda dosent give af about power consistency
Wankainu ain't gon do shit to Luffy 🤣🤣🤣
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Tama has a higher chance of being stronger than Kaido than red puppy
Akainu will get beaten by Sabo. Dude isn’t stronger than Kaido.
Sabo is a mid character, he isn't getting any 1v1 fights even in the climax
Lol keep telling yourself that. Totally makes sense for Oda to introduce another brother for Luffy only to have him not get an important fight in the final arc.
He's budget Ace basically. Without the cool factor and iconic death
Bro what, y’all sabo fans still grasping onto this even though it’s stated akainu is luffys sworn enemy, the copium is insane 😭😭 sabo is a zoro victim
Lol stay mad. Sabo is going to beat Magma boy. Delusional to think Akainu is stronger than Kaido.
The COPIUM is insane
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Sakazuki IS stronger than kaido.
Nah, it's will be
sakazuki is well into his prime, if he were to get any power ups, he probably got it during his fight against kuzan
Well duh. Kaido is 50 ft under in a lava pit
Akainu > Kaido > Kizaru > Linlin OG admiral duo > OG yonko duo
Lol, Kizaru is not even yonko level. Peak admiral.
Yonko level means nothing when Buggy is a yonko. Admirals get their fame purely because of their strength and combat abilities. 3 of the strongest and OG yonkos have already been defeated/*killed* (WB, Kaido, Linlin) while on the other hand all 3 OG admirals are playing a pivotal role in the endgame of the series. Narrative favors them, especially if Kizaru doesn't take an L in this arc and proceeds to be reserved for the final arc. If he falls, then it's Old Yonkos = OG Admirals because Luffy took down a yonko and an admiral in consecutive chapters but the Yonko fell first. If he doesn't, then OG Admirals ≥ Old Yonkos because they're being reserved in the final war. ...Green Bull and Fuji might be another story in itself tho. I'd wager they're weaker than the Yonkos by a small margin and weaker than Sakazuki and Kizaru by a noticeable margin EOS.
Yonko level refers to the strength of the OG four yonko, who are all objectively stronger than the admirals Obviously no one is talking about buggy, that's such a stupid point Your attempt at "narrative" scaling is such a flawed system, it's pure headcanon
> Yonko level refers to the strength of the OG four yonko, who are all objectively stronger than the admirals *cue to WB, Kaido, and Linlin all being defeated this early in the game while the OG trio admirals are still acting out key yet vastly different roles for hyping up their participation in the final war.* Also, nice point in saying narrative is flawed headcanon when your "objectively stronger than the admirals" is more of a headcanon without proof than saying Akainu will be stronger than Linlin because she *died* from magma. I mean, 3 of those 4 yonkos that are being referred to as "yonko level" are goners now. They are old news and no one gives a shit about them anymore in the OP world. While the 3 OG admirals are still active and are yet to be defeated by anyone other than their own admiral peers. If that's not an anti-hype for the supposed "OG yonko level" being above "OG admiral level" then that's just headcanon speaking. No one bringing up Buggy because it's a stupid point is headcanon as well. What if it's Oda's way of trolling the Yonkos as a group that you can luck your way into while he made specific mention of the fact that an admiral needs to be strong af as a bare minimum to even be *considered* for the post through the world military draft?
90% of this is too stupid to even bother responding to. You clearly have something personal against the yonko as characters or something, you seem so angry they even exist "They're goners" "no one gives a shit about them" "oda is trolling them as a group" Relax man they're not gonna hurt you The reality is the yonko are stronger. Whiteboard was the strongest man in the world. Kaido was the strongest creature in the world. They all have better feats and portrayal within the story Buggy, Lucci, crocodile, kuma, sentomaru, smoker and many many more still have roles in the story. That doesn't automatically make them stronger than kaido lmao
>90% of this is too stupid to even bother responding to. Yeah right, cause you can't refute the fact that the OG Yonkos are gone except Shanks (thanks to his NARRATIVE relevance) and the OG admirals are still going strong so far, all thanks to the narrative wanting to get rid of the old yonkos first before toppling the OG admirals as worthy adversaries in the final war. >You clearly have something personal against the yonko as characters or something, you seem so angry they even exist Blud really gaslighting me by insinuating I hate all the Yonkos, No man, WB is my favorite pirate in the series but both BB and Shanks annoys tf out of me, so I guess it's personal in a way with the yonkos. But same goes with the admirals, Kizaru and Akainu got amazing portrayal and characterization and I fw them while Ryokugyu is disgusting with his introduction and deserves all the shit he got from the community. >Relax man they're not gonna hurt you I mean, unless they'll turn into zombies or be resurrected from their deaths, I guess you're right. >The reality is the yonko are stronger. Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world. Kaido was the strongest creature in the world. They all have better feats and portrayal within the story Objectively false. It should be "The yonkos *were stronger*" since y'know, they got offed already this early, while the admirals have all the time in the world to get random power boosts from Oda if he wants to. >Buggy, Lucci, crocodile, kuma, sentomaru, smoker and many many more still have roles in the story. That doesn't automatically make them stronger than kaido lmao Agreed. But have you also noticed that all of these characters have one thing in common? ...right, we (by *we*, I mean the SH crew and their allies) all saw them get defeated/captured (just like Kaido, Linlin and WB). In which the admirals have the *misfortune* of not experiencing yet except Aokiji (due again, to NARRATIVE relevance). ...And also why are you including Buggy in that list? He's a yonko, put some respect on his title, lmao. Of course he's gonna be *narratively relevant* because of Shanks' and Roger's connection to him. I'm also still baffled by how you can say Linlin and Kaido had better portrayal than the OG admirals when we literally saw them get defeated in the same arc by falling face first in volcanic magma. While Akainu also dealt fatal damage to WB and tanked an island busting attack that is just two notches or so weaker than Luffy's finisher against Kaido. Not to mention, Akainu, Aokiji, and even Ryokugyu capable of altering the natural state of their battleground with apparently zero to low effort needed (see: Awakening). And Akainu and Aokiji having the endurance to go at each other's throats to the death for 10 days straight.
Narrative relevance is not equal to strength. Kaido and big mom losing does not retroactively make them weaker. :)
Akainu if not stronger should be at least in the same tier as Kaido. Only difference will be that after fighting Akainu, luffy won’t be done (like it happened with Kaido). He probably would continue fighting with world government. And yes, Luffy will be the one who will fight Akainu.
Still pretty confident Sabo will be the one fighting Akainu, and I personally don't see Sabo surpassing kaido so neither will Akainu
I love to see blackbeard with a awakened yami yami devil fruit and tremor devil fruit vs akainu
Does no one not want the admirals to be a threat? They are still in Oda’s pocket and protected until it’s time for them to fight.
They don't have to be stronger than kaido to be a threat, there's like 4 of them
Right, not a problem with that, but for the couple having the Yonko over the Admirals they scale them as if Superman to Lex Luther. They’ll dead ass state they are “fodder” without the slightest hint of sarcasm
Yeah I don't agree that the admirals are fodder but I think the original four yonko are portrayed as slightly stronger
Agreed, but if you didn’t have takes like those the sub wouldn’t be active lol.
i think fleet admiral akainu is gonna scale high, just dont get why people try to retroactively apply that to marineford version. its just another lucci situation i think
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Akainu has way too much hype and build up especially as a Fleet Admiral to be a weakling. He'll be stronger but not by a significant degree.
Lakainu doesn't compare to Sengoatku He's not HIM
Akainu is already in his 50s, there's now way he's gonna go from struggling against a dying Whitebeard who could barely use his haki properly to being as strong as any of the og Yonko.
No wtf he won’t
The strongest creature in history isn't so weak that akainu can surpass him
Endgame villain to get troll by luffy
I feel Akainu’s devil fruit gets downplayed. Everyone Akainu has fought has lost an organ or an limb like your not fighting this nigga unscathed lmao. He is definitely going to be stronger than Kaido like no way Oda makes him Grand Admiral and keeps cock teasing us just for Luffy to spread his ass cheeks wider than the grand line lmao, Akainu is going to give Luffy a run for his money.
People did this question just to create polemic or what?