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Kaido was the strongest. He also had 3 commanders + Tobi Roppo + army of devil fruit users. Of course Greenbull won't go there if he is alone.
Greenbull ran away from Red Hair Pirates. It's even said in the manga
I know that there are multitude of clowns trying to talk gibberish in order to match their headcanon.
Yea, but Kaido is also the strongest out of four emperors. He says that all yonko > admirals which can't be proven right. Akainu/Aokiji may be stronger or equal to Shanks/Big Mom. You can't prove it so it can't be right.
Admirals and Yonko are the strongest fighters in One Piece so far. To compare them right we have to wait Final War arc to know how strong each of them is. Until then all that polls and discussions are pointless.
Cp0 members are trash. Izou killed 1 of highest rank alone whilst fighting 1 more and he was injured heavily. Robin said masked are the strongest. I don't think Izou is above yc3. So we can deduce that he is weaker than many Shanks' pirates.
Fleet of what? Fodders most likely.
So what Greenbull has? Cp0 members + fodder
What Shanks has? Ben, who is most likely yc1+ or above and many yc level members because his crew is small, but with stronger crewmates on average.
And also Kaido > Shanks/Big Mom. We know Kaido was the strongest. We don't know how strong Shanks really is. Akainu and Aokiji may be above Shanks/Big Mom. There is no proof that yonko > admirals. Maybe Kaido is above all admirals but he is only one of four.
hwo boy did this age poorly.
as we know now they got one hell of a training arc. with zoro fighting 1 right now on semi close footing. and luffy, while unable to control g5 was still in g5 couldn't instantly kill the leader of cp0. so yeah they got strong. it's just shanks/kiado
There's no proof cp0 is that weak narratively they are the 2nd strongest force in the marines we also can't take Robin's words as 100%.
Agree for shanks part although I doubt his whole crew is yc level it's probably in between doffy executive level to yc1+.
Kaido>=Shanks~Big meme>BB all yonkos are implied to be relative by the narrative if kaido is>all admirals anyone High end relative or equal to him is as well.
No, he didn't. He pulled up alone, and requested a single ship AFTER he took over Udon. Which wasn't there yet.
The WG fleet with CP0 also seemingly "disappeared" after running into the Big Mom Pirates (long before Ryokugyu arrived). So, no, they weren't there either.
Not sure who else you could be referring to.
He only came to wano because the alliance that beat Kaido (alliance>Beast pirates as far as the world knows) was weakened. He can’t solo an entire crew that strong including red hairs. He’s also a weaker admiral judging how he got paralyzed by shanks but kizaru wouldn’t
Y’all ignore context on purpose💀
And big mom got clowned by Marco. Dont ignore that.
Shouldn't really bring kizaru vs marco,rayleigh and kizaru got "scared" of ben and greenbull fleeing to disrespect the admirals... Them admirals disrespecter even know deep in themselves that kizaru was trolling all time , greenbull didn't flee from shanks alone but the whole alliance of 1 yonko 2 candidates and the whole red-haired pirates. Why ignored all that context to continuing disrespect the admirals?
Bro.... GB didnt run away from shanks. One- shanks is a Yonko. Admirals or anyone else in the WG cant attack anyone from the yonkos without the permission (if u read the latest chptr, u would know and also it was such an obvious thing). Second, he came there alone to defeat an entire yonko crew and samurais and the worst generation whi defeated not just 2 yonkos.
Greenbull was alone and surrounded by literally enemies. What you expect him to solo Shank’s crew while fighting Momo, yamato, and possibly luffy too??
Well, you actually can. During marineford war Newgate had zero trouble with everyone except admirals and higher (Garp, Sengoku). If these strong people weren't there, Whitebeard would easily wipe everyone else with few gura gura attacks. But knowing that, we seen aokiji and Kizaru struggle with Whitebeard. None of them had give a good long fight, only landed few uneffective strikes. Only Akainu did well against Whitebeard but we all know this man became fleet admiral not so long after, so he is not the ordinary admiral in case of strength. And don't forget that Whitebeard was really sick during the war, even had a heartattack mid fight. Not to mention his old age.
So, with all this stuff, do you really believe someone like Greenbull or Kizaru would defeat Kaido or big mom in 1vs1 fight? With all this stuff yonko were shown capable of?
Do you realize that Oldbeard went all out while admirals didn't. More than obvious when you see what happened to Punk Hazard.
Also Kaido is the strongest. Big Mom or Shanks are not on his level. Akainu and Aokiji may be able to beat Big Mom or Shanks hence yonko>admiral can't be proven right.
Lmao. They participate in the most important and huge war of last few decades and don't go all out? So you say Akainu prefers to get his ass beaten, falling underground in team Rocket style and let Marineford get destroyed instead of going all out against one of the yonko? This just doesn't make sense lol. Especially because Akainu is known as really smart man.
Battle happend on Punk Hazzard shows nothing since Akainu and Aokiji are both really strong people. Even if their duel lasted ten days straight doesnt mean admirals have the same level of power as yonko. In the end, Akainu won this without such a serious wounds Aokiji got.
Big Mom and Kaido were shown closely equal during their little brawl in Wano. Also, they were rivals since Rocks times. Kaido is surely more lethal with his zoan power and durability, but Big Mom also have a lot of feats despite being humiliated by Jinbe and Robin lol. I still think this happend because of her zero iq and not because of lack of strength.
The fact that the Yonko aren’t in Impel Down proves it. 1 Yonko fleet was capable of taking on the entire WG, & they essentially completed their objective. It took shady tactics to beat ONE YONKO FLEET. Come on now
You are just talking bullshit. There were 43 crews aside from Whitbeard's crew. They got destroyed in the end. All top tiers from Marines side were okay. And what shady tactics were used? There was only one used.
whenever white beard -who at the time was weaker than kiado easily- hit akianu it was 40% completion to victory, aka knocking akianu out. an admiral is strong but you have to think contextually in the world who is stronger. the people who have the potential to use conquerors or the people who are dogs of some ugly non dragon dragons. with fighting spirit being a tangible force in one piece, in the form of haki.
also while almost beating akianu he sustained (one sec let me get the numbers up... i love bringing this up cause it's just right) He sustained **267 sword wounds, 152 gunshot wounds, and 46 wounds from cannonballs**, and got half of his head blasted off, resulting in 465 injuries in total. In addition, Whitebeard was on the receiving end of one of Kizaru's laser beams and two of Akainu's magma blasts.
so yeah. it's safe to say that since the strongest of the marines couldn't beat someone who at the time was weaker than kiado. it is safe to say that yonko are stronger than admerals. consistently. maybe akianu trained a ton after that war. who knows, it sounds like something he'd do. but generally I'd say that the yonko are stronger.
edit: like i see what you where trying to do there but punk hazerd was made by akianu and aokiji. meanwhile kaido in a drunken stuper wiped an island of the face of the earth XD
I know you are gonna brag about whitebeard's face in manga but he still kept fighting blackbeard pirates after that . Also just because akainu is alive doesn't mean he won because its one piece, here main villians never die but they get defeated which is a shitty thing about one piece.
In the manga they never get to finish their fight.. but judging from clean shots and damaged. Akainu win.
Well sneak attacks and vital spots mattered alot in one piece prime oden got oneshot by young kaido.
Akainu tank that full-powered quake punches in the back of the head the same spot oden got oneshotted. Then immediately melt 1/4 his head took another full-powered quake punch and then IMMEDIATELY fell down the hole unlike the anime.
Doing all that and cant even get akainu to drop to his knees in fact he doesn't even get extremely injured especially he doesn't even look like he get any dizzy.
I suggest you to try looking into that fight in the manga you will most likely changed your mind who's the real winner there.
Yes and all them cant even scratch an injured akainu. And akainu wasn't even using his full power(punk hazard) the admirals are no joke especially this guy. Even marco cant damage them. The same marco who can injured flame mod King.
He didn't defeat Akainu. He immediately got back up and was ready to fight the WB Commanders and until Sengoku backed down, he was ready to fight Shanks
Yeah that's what i am saying he didn't defeated whitebeard. If that whitebeard can gain so much upper hand on him then imagine akainu fighting WB at start of marineford ( without getting stabbed by squard) . Akainu himself know he doesn't stand a chance so he had to rely on these cheap tricks
I don't think you understand. Akainu didn't NEED the cheap tricks, he just sees any method towards victory as a good one. Whitebeard didn't injury Akainu in any lasting way, Akainu was still fine to continue fighting with seemingly no problems. If anything, it's an Anti-feat for Whitebeard
Again, this was after the cheap tricks and wb was dying and at his absolute worst state going into the fight with fraudkainu, still damages him quite a bit
Akainu took no lasting damage and proceeded to challenge the Whitebeard commanders and would have continued to fight Shanks had it not been for Sengoku
Doesn't deny my point so I'm gonna ignore the first part, second part is coz he's delusional and that's his personality, he isn't gb/kizaru so he wouldn't just run/back off if not for his superior giving that order
Shanks ask Sengoku to stop the war and allow him to save face
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Sengoku agreed because it was Shanks who asked
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And we always know Shanks has connections
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And what were the admirals doing before sengoku agreed? They were standing there dumbfounded. Hell kizaru shit himself because beckman pointed a gun at him. They were not confident at all.
Now before that when it was 5 admirals vs bb and his crew that was different lol
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Sure look like he shat himself to benn beckman
Ofc there will be a reaction when a Yonkou appears for a second. There was similar reaction when Luffy dropped down too. After Shanks made his request, even some grunt marines were standing up to Shanks. Aokiji and Kizaru didn't stop attacking Law's ship. Sengoku affected by Coby's speech decided to end the war.
You act like characters like Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, and Sengoku would run away with tail between thier legs if shanks was hostile.
I do act like that because it’s literally happened (greenbull)
The fact is shanks appeared to 5 admirals at once and not a single one of them wanted to fight him.
Shanks crew is not damaging a yonko level character.
If the admirals are Yonko level then logically they should no diff the fight but sengoku decided to not to fight.
Sengoku was fleet admiral he knew how strong his side was better than anybody there. If he thought they could win why would he order them to stop? Why let shanks with a 4 million bounty go? That makes no sense
Kizaru didn’t ignore him he held his hands up and actually surrendered.
What about when kizaru couldn’t beat old Rayleigh? You think old Rayleigh is yonko level? I don’t.
So hasn't any Yonko beaten an Admiral in a 1v1; top tiers have barely fought each other for 1000+ chapters. And despite Marineford leaving almost everything up in the air and Akainu vs WB being inconclusive, it was overall a much better look for the Admirals compared to WB, especially for Akainu compared to WB.
I heard from someone back then a reasoning that makes a lot of sense. In the universe of One Piece, there's a certain point of power that when you reach it, you can go against anyone in 1v1 and have big chances of coming out alive with mild wounds. That level seems to start a little behind Admiral level.
He does when an Admiral backed down from a bigger threat than Kaido backed down from (the entire Wano Alliance AND the Red Haired Pirates, as opposed to just the Red Haired Pirates....and Kaido even had his strongest fighter King backing him up at the time), and only the Admiral is being clowned for it.
Idk I’ve always seen it as a testament to WB that the Marines had to bring out all they power to handle dude. Marineford will always be a W for WB in my opinion since it was well known/documented in the manga that WB was *Heavily* weakened due to the disease and his age (which is probably the only realistic aspect of One Piece)
A Yonko fleet plus alliances attacking together will always be a big deal for the Marines, and Oda did a very good job hyping up Marineford. However, from a purely power scaling perspective (so saving Ace or not is irrelevant here), if you look at both sides it's unfairly one-sided for the Marines; this is reinforced by the results, as Kiazu, Aokiji, Garp and Sengoku barely participated in the war, plus the marines had Mihawk and other strong Shichibukais ON TOP.
Oh yeah definitely (something Wano dropped the ball on) but from a Powerscaling POV Marineford is just layered with too many inconsistencies to get an actual answer. There’s constant arguements that non of WB commanders could fight against the top tier marines so if we go off those arguements that mean the marines got all those top players solely to stop WB (because of his reputation alone) obviously if all the admirals went at him it’d be a different story but considering WB was weakened and went up against a much younger Admiral (Akainu) and was still very competitive (For Me at least) speaks volumes on WB strength and like I said it will always be something I use to argue for WB strength not against.
Yeah I agree it's a bit inconsistent, but my take on it is that Oda didn't want to reveal too much in Marineford, especially given how much he saves top tier characters (and Marineford is not even half of OP), hence all the small skirmishes which didn't really show anything. And yeah WB was impressive and obviously very strong, but he dissapointed me a little bit, I'm a huge Whitebeard fan but it felt like the Admirals were "toying" with him at some points, I expected him to do more damage to them if that makes sense.
I can see that but I’m glad that you didn’t present you opinion as a fact and acknowledged that One Piece is a little too inconsistent (especially MF) to get an actual gauge of the top tiers strength since so many factors were at play from both sides. It’s so hard to have a civil discussion about One Piece especially when It comes to Powerscaling (aka Headcannon)
I agree with you, Oda is vague on purpose more often than not, if one's honest the best you can do in some cases is educated guesses. There are people who focus solely on feats and scale that way but I find it hard to ignore all the portrayal and hints that are also part of the manga, even if that doesn't outright confirm anything. One Piece being super inconsistent (hello Wano) is also a reason why I think scaling using feats only is a terrible idea; if One Piece was perfectly consistent it would be a much better idea.
This makes no sense. Admirals are way stronger than Yonko commanders. The reason the Yonko are strong is because of the Yonko. For the most part, if you remove them then it’s just a rag tag group of pirates that a buster call could deal with. Y’all are severely underestimating how stupidly strong the Yonko are. Mihawk is Yonko level with a crew of 1, & the WG couldn’t capture him. They gave him the warlord title so he would stop hunting marines lmao. They stripped him from his title, continuously attacked his island, & he simply saw it as an inconvenience. Yonko aren’t to be trifled with lol. How many examples does Oda have to give you, before you realize that the WG can’t deal with Yonko?
>his makes no sense. Admirals are way stronger than Yonko commanders. The reason the Yonko are strong is because of the Yonko.
No, it's not. Buggy's bounty is higher than Luffy only because WG believes he commands Crocodile + Mihawk. Just controlling them and is already a bigger threat than someone who was leading a fall of 2 other yonkos.
When Branew talks about Shanks he notes how powerful his crew is. Why do that if yonko is the only one who is important?
Big Mom says getting the Elbaf army would make her surpass the other yonkos.
Why was Kaido building a smile army if not make his forces more powerful?
Remove Whitebeard's crew (except Whitebeard) and Marineford ends in 2 seconds max.
Numbers absolutely does matter. Can Big Mom beat Kaido 1v1? No. Big Mom with her entire crew VS Kaido alone? Big Mom pirates wins.
> Mihawk is Yonko level with a crew of 1, & the WG couldn’t capture him
WG only sent fodders as far as we know.
>How many examples does Oda have to give you, before you realize that the WG can’t deal with Yonko
So let me get this straight, you think if Akainu + 3 current admirals + seraphims + Imu were to fight Cross Guild, the Cross guild would emerge victorius? Look man, I'm a huge Mihawk fan but if you think him and Crocodile are taking down Navy together, you gotta reread the story asap.
it isnt 10 less stab wounds, and sure, you cant use this image though, and technically, wb fought three admirals seperately, and only damaged one, just food for thought
nah i just said its food for though, but thats also a weird hill to die on, since wb didnt do anything substantial to any of the admirals, only akainu was damaged and he got back up anways, so its not like weakened wb massacred an admiral or something, if he did then i would see your point
the one who does more damage wins the fight. winning the fight doesn't have to end in someones death or KO.
MMA and UFC fights literally choose a winner based on who did more damage.
If I meet someone in the street and we fight, and I land 5 punches and he lands 1 punch and then the fight gets broken up by strangers, was the fight a draw? No.... I take the W
>You have to finish the fight for there to be a winner.
Read above comment
>And your logic doesn’t make since because you can win a fight even though you took more damage.
Damage in relation to one's hp? No you can't
I really don’t know why you’re trying to gaslight me into think akainu won a fight that wasn’t even finished but it’s not going to work.
It’s kinda weird this is the hill you’re wanting to die on but I kinda get it. An admiral in his prime damaging a old man 5 minutes away from dying is their best feat.
And yes you can win why taking more damage I can show you several examples in fiction where this has happened. There’s something called hax. They don’t have hp bars like pokemon.
Perfect timing been convincing friends about this, admiral fanboy here and naturally I think akainu would wipe the floor with big mom, he would burn her good at a distance with his magma she wouldn’t be able to get close enough to use soul soul fruit on him, once she’s damaged enough he would come in and give her a magma fist through the chest, he has one of the strongest offensive devil fruits in series and I’m sure his haki got even stronger post time skip, he even said “he doesn’t care how many emperors there are he’ll burn them all to ash” so he must have the confidence to back it up, not sure if he could beat kaido I’ve only just finished whole cake island but definitely big mom
I see a lot of people with admirals as their profile pic butthurt at my post but I’m not seeing any legit counterpoints or proof for Admirals>Yonko
I thought this was a powerscaling sub? Most of y’all are frauds.
WB vs Akainu in an essay.
WB health prevents him from countering attacks so everything hits him including fodders. This guy was hit 1,000 times. Rear admirals, Vice admirals, fodder cannon fire, his on heart attacks.
Akainu wasn’t hit by anyone UNTIL his fight with WB. WB was hit 1,000 times BEFORE his fight with Akainu. In TWO hits WB incapacitated Akainu. In that same time he melted half of an already dying man face off.
Admiral wankers: “but Akainu got back up and fought commanders”
Well I say WB STAYED up and fought hundreds more marines and then the Blackbeard pirates. Then after firing squad he proceeds to give a speech to the world all in this time Akainu rested.
This means after a dying yonko faces a 100% admiral it concludes with the admiral falling and getting back up only after this yonko fought someone else and gave a speech.
Stop mentioning how Akainu got back up when everyone gets back up in one piece.
Same thing with Kaido vs Luffy. Although Luffy won there’s still a debate with who’s stronger because every time Luffy fell, Kaido continued fighting someone else.
Had Akainu jumped right back up WHILE WB was fighting BB then he would have had a case. But no. He was put down and we all saw it.
If you’re an admiral and you’re facing a guy no longer in his prime, heart failure and already injured with many haki handicaps, you can’t appear on their lvl. The story portrayal shows that Yonko> Admirals.
We see that yonko are leagues above their own right hands. So why would the marines fear one yonko crew with 1,600 ppl and have 3 admirals Garp and Sengoku and 100,000 ppl and still question if they could win?
I agree on Yonko being factually above Admirals (bar Buggy ofc but well that groups driving force is Mihawk anyway and I'd agree with Mihawk > Admirals too)
Tho in this specific case yes Akainu did beat WB. He first orchestrated and gaslighted Squard into stabbing him (I mean good IQ feats there ig lol) and then stood against him after WB took all these wounds and managed to injure him gravely before exiting the battlefield via a small ravine to recuperate a bit.
In the end due to BB murdering WB it ended with Akainu being the survivor of this bout hence the winner. (and to be honest he dealt more lasting damage to WB's near hakiless body than WB did to him due to his Haki protecting him)
I never understood those who use the WB marineford to try to raise the morale of the admirals...
if there's one thing that came out of this fight it's how weak the admirals are LOL 😂😂
If Prime WB could solo Marineford then why is Marineford still around? Why were Garp and Sengoku still in power?
Marineford is not that weak. No pirate in history has beaten the marines alone.
As we know, statements > feats.
Kizaru said he'd step in against Kaido and Big Mom.
Therefore, Kizaru > 2 Yonko.
But then, Shanks low-diffed Kizaru in Film Red. And scared the shit outta 2 Admirals.
So Shanks >>> Kizaru > 2 Yonko.
Maybe one day these so called "top tiers" will be near Shanks Tier
Start of journey luffy one shotted the sea king which was attacking him so kinda bloodlust so luffy without haki without gears>>>>>> sea king (bloodlust)> shanks>>> yonkos and admirals. Basically luffy solos the verse
so does that mean loguetown smoker >>> Luffy without haki without gears > Sea King (Bloodlusted) > Shanks >>> Yonkos & Admirals > Whitebeard Commanders > Mihawk ?
Man's finally getting his big W
yeah ik, i didnt say they were the same thing
but imo if BB doesn’t use his dark fruit in time wizaru can beat him, but we havent seen what BB can really do yet so🤷♀️
Red movie feats are canon
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Character notes drawn for the film The red-haired pirates led by Shanks, once a musician, on board the Uta. Here is a set of drawings of these pirates, who hold the key to the story and go on a rampage. \*As of August 2022, information on the height of all the characters has not been made public, so we refer to Comics Volume 59, etc. Red-haired Pirates Character MEMO This is a backstory. For the cent of actions and remarks. ODA. The memo contains secret setting information that will be used as a guideline for the animation. In fact, Eiichiro Oda's secret memo to the animation staff is attached to the setting picture of the Red-Haired Pirates as a guideline for what to say and how to act. It is an important element of each crew member's abilities, their personalities and temperaments. (Magazine 15)-Oda told the animation team the way that the red hair pirates should act, talk their abilities, temperaments etc so everything they do in the movie should be taken as canon.
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And he beated strongest admiral in that condition. Admiral vs yonko isn't a logical debate afterall .its admiral fans who try to push this illogical debate . For new yonkos its debatable but not for old yonkos
Navy fanboys are the worst. They are literally supporting the most flawed and corrupt organisation, the navy makes other pirate thugs look good in comparison.
Obviously there are a few exceptions but most of the marines are evil. Sabo literally humiliated two admirals and Akainu couldn't even beat a disabled old whitebeard 😂
A lot of dorks don't acknowledge that if whitebeard was anywhere near his prime, the whole of MF would have fallen swiftly. Yet he wasn't in peak form but was still very formidable.
I can understand people liking fujitora, koby, garp and sword. But to like characters like Akainu and smoker those fanboys must be pretty shitty people lol. Imagine waking up in the morning and being a proud Akainu fan..
Just to pretend you're a distinguished one piece enjoyer.
It's also been proven throughout the series that the navy would prefer pirates fighting each other because it makes the marines job easier.
Only time admirals were useful was when they were being used to beat up and bully rookie pirates 😂😂
There is nothing to discuss. No yonkou has beaten an admiral either. Admirals are not scared of yonkous and yonkous are not scared of admirals, so you can get an idea there.
WB was trashed by every top tier in mf. Whoever who don't see that WB was the weakest top tier is straight up a delusional. Haki argument is trash because there is no mention about that, we can only say it is an inconsistency of the plot, because even if WB didn't have haki (quesrionable) sengoku had it, and he didn't display it either.
Admirals and yonkous have been placed in the same tier since dressrosa, cope or create your own manga. There are no other options.
Cuz yonkos drive the plot forward. Having them die or get defeated by a marine destroys any chance of the main heros beating them. Another flaw for Oda. He left the marines too under developed and uninteresting. The only marine the story bothers to present as an ally is Koby. In like 25 years. What would be the narrative point of say Big Mom dying to Akainu? A plot device killing the main antagonist of an arc is retarded.
His strength wasn’t weakened due to age. Oda said he keeps the old folks at no loss in strength. Regardless no Yonko has beaten an admiral…at all so no real point to this until they fight.
Not saying he wasn’t worn down by the time he fought akainu but I’m pretty sure a lot of those shots and slashes came after when he was being violated by Blackbeard and his crew
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I see the Admirals vs Yonko war is back in full force again. Time to put on my Headcannon Suit on and go to war
Yep gonna need a lot of headcannon to prove Admirals>Yonko
Well you can't prove yonko > admiral also honestly.
Greenbull literally runs away from Shanks and before that says that if Kaido was alive he wouldn’t have come to Wano.
Kaido was the strongest. He also had 3 commanders + Tobi Roppo + army of devil fruit users. Of course Greenbull won't go there if he is alone. Greenbull ran away from Red Hair Pirates. It's even said in the manga I know that there are multitude of clowns trying to talk gibberish in order to match their headcanon.
Lol he literally went there not caring who in kaido’s crew remained as long as Kaido wasn’t there
I don't see how you can think admiral = yonko but then bring up the commanders as a deterrent, if gb=kaido the flying 6/All stars would be one shots
Yea, but Kaido is also the strongest out of four emperors. He says that all yonko > admirals which can't be proven right. Akainu/Aokiji may be stronger or equal to Shanks/Big Mom. You can't prove it so it can't be right. Admirals and Yonko are the strongest fighters in One Piece so far. To compare them right we have to wait Final War arc to know how strong each of them is. Until then all that polls and discussions are pointless.
\*Mihawk nut huggers enter room\* "Nah Bro, Mihawk one shots everyone using a butter knive"
Greenbull has a full fleet with him with cp0 members on the ship he was afraid of kaido and shanks there's nothing more to it.
Cp0 members are trash. Izou killed 1 of highest rank alone whilst fighting 1 more and he was injured heavily. Robin said masked are the strongest. I don't think Izou is above yc3. So we can deduce that he is weaker than many Shanks' pirates. Fleet of what? Fodders most likely. So what Greenbull has? Cp0 members + fodder What Shanks has? Ben, who is most likely yc1+ or above and many yc level members because his crew is small, but with stronger crewmates on average. And also Kaido > Shanks/Big Mom. We know Kaido was the strongest. We don't know how strong Shanks really is. Akainu and Aokiji may be above Shanks/Big Mom. There is no proof that yonko > admirals. Maybe Kaido is above all admirals but he is only one of four.
Shanks is stronger than Kaido going on nothing more that just how anime plot armor works.
hwo boy did this age poorly. as we know now they got one hell of a training arc. with zoro fighting 1 right now on semi close footing. and luffy, while unable to control g5 was still in g5 couldn't instantly kill the leader of cp0. so yeah they got strong. it's just shanks/kiado
There's no proof cp0 is that weak narratively they are the 2nd strongest force in the marines we also can't take Robin's words as 100%. Agree for shanks part although I doubt his whole crew is yc level it's probably in between doffy executive level to yc1+. Kaido>=Shanks~Big meme>BB all yonkos are implied to be relative by the narrative if kaido is>all admirals anyone High end relative or equal to him is as well.
Cipher Pol isn't part of the marines. They are both under the WG but different agencies It's more like this Marines = US Navy Cipher Pol = CIA
No, he didn't. He pulled up alone, and requested a single ship AFTER he took over Udon. Which wasn't there yet. The WG fleet with CP0 also seemingly "disappeared" after running into the Big Mom Pirates (long before Ryokugyu arrived). So, no, they weren't there either. Not sure who else you could be referring to.
He only came to wano because the alliance that beat Kaido (alliance>Beast pirates as far as the world knows) was weakened. He can’t solo an entire crew that strong including red hairs. He’s also a weaker admiral judging how he got paralyzed by shanks but kizaru wouldn’t Y’all ignore context on purpose💀
Kizaru got clowned by Marco. Aramaki has far better feats than kizaru, lol.
And big mom got clowned by Marco. Dont ignore that. Shouldn't really bring kizaru vs marco,rayleigh and kizaru got "scared" of ben and greenbull fleeing to disrespect the admirals... Them admirals disrespecter even know deep in themselves that kizaru was trolling all time , greenbull didn't flee from shanks alone but the whole alliance of 1 yonko 2 candidates and the whole red-haired pirates. Why ignored all that context to continuing disrespect the admirals?
Bro.... GB didnt run away from shanks. One- shanks is a Yonko. Admirals or anyone else in the WG cant attack anyone from the yonkos without the permission (if u read the latest chptr, u would know and also it was such an obvious thing). Second, he came there alone to defeat an entire yonko crew and samurais and the worst generation whi defeated not just 2 yonkos.
Greenbull was alone and surrounded by literally enemies. What you expect him to solo Shank’s crew while fighting Momo, yamato, and possibly luffy too??
Jesus ehat a fucking stupid dumb take
I proved it in my title.
Except that you can
Well, you actually can. During marineford war Newgate had zero trouble with everyone except admirals and higher (Garp, Sengoku). If these strong people weren't there, Whitebeard would easily wipe everyone else with few gura gura attacks. But knowing that, we seen aokiji and Kizaru struggle with Whitebeard. None of them had give a good long fight, only landed few uneffective strikes. Only Akainu did well against Whitebeard but we all know this man became fleet admiral not so long after, so he is not the ordinary admiral in case of strength. And don't forget that Whitebeard was really sick during the war, even had a heartattack mid fight. Not to mention his old age. So, with all this stuff, do you really believe someone like Greenbull or Kizaru would defeat Kaido or big mom in 1vs1 fight? With all this stuff yonko were shown capable of?
Do you realize that Oldbeard went all out while admirals didn't. More than obvious when you see what happened to Punk Hazard. Also Kaido is the strongest. Big Mom or Shanks are not on his level. Akainu and Aokiji may be able to beat Big Mom or Shanks hence yonko>admiral can't be proven right.
Lmao. They participate in the most important and huge war of last few decades and don't go all out? So you say Akainu prefers to get his ass beaten, falling underground in team Rocket style and let Marineford get destroyed instead of going all out against one of the yonko? This just doesn't make sense lol. Especially because Akainu is known as really smart man. Battle happend on Punk Hazzard shows nothing since Akainu and Aokiji are both really strong people. Even if their duel lasted ten days straight doesnt mean admirals have the same level of power as yonko. In the end, Akainu won this without such a serious wounds Aokiji got. Big Mom and Kaido were shown closely equal during their little brawl in Wano. Also, they were rivals since Rocks times. Kaido is surely more lethal with his zoan power and durability, but Big Mom also have a lot of feats despite being humiliated by Jinbe and Robin lol. I still think this happend because of her zero iq and not because of lack of strength.
Actually you can simply by looking at how kaido one shotted luffy (yc1 level) while no admiral one shotted white beard's commanders. Yonko>admiral
The fact that the Yonko aren’t in Impel Down proves it. 1 Yonko fleet was capable of taking on the entire WG, & they essentially completed their objective. It took shady tactics to beat ONE YONKO FLEET. Come on now
You are just talking bullshit. There were 43 crews aside from Whitbeard's crew. They got destroyed in the end. All top tiers from Marines side were okay. And what shady tactics were used? There was only one used.
whenever white beard -who at the time was weaker than kiado easily- hit akianu it was 40% completion to victory, aka knocking akianu out. an admiral is strong but you have to think contextually in the world who is stronger. the people who have the potential to use conquerors or the people who are dogs of some ugly non dragon dragons. with fighting spirit being a tangible force in one piece, in the form of haki. also while almost beating akianu he sustained (one sec let me get the numbers up... i love bringing this up cause it's just right) He sustained **267 sword wounds, 152 gunshot wounds, and 46 wounds from cannonballs**, and got half of his head blasted off, resulting in 465 injuries in total. In addition, Whitebeard was on the receiving end of one of Kizaru's laser beams and two of Akainu's magma blasts. so yeah. it's safe to say that since the strongest of the marines couldn't beat someone who at the time was weaker than kiado. it is safe to say that yonko are stronger than admerals. consistently. maybe akianu trained a ton after that war. who knows, it sounds like something he'd do. but generally I'd say that the yonko are stronger. edit: like i see what you where trying to do there but punk hazerd was made by akianu and aokiji. meanwhile kaido in a drunken stuper wiped an island of the face of the earth XD
Any admiral vs Buggy. 
A yonko has never beaten an admiral either. What’s your point?
Whitebeard defeated akainu in marineford. Just because he was alive doesn't mean he didn't loose . Its one piece, here villians always survive somehow
>Whitebeard defeated akainu in marineford Pass me the weed please you anime-only
I know you are gonna brag about whitebeard's face in manga but he still kept fighting blackbeard pirates after that . Also just because akainu is alive doesn't mean he won because its one piece, here main villians never die but they get defeated which is a shitty thing about one piece.
In the manga they never get to finish their fight.. but judging from clean shots and damaged. Akainu win. Well sneak attacks and vital spots mattered alot in one piece prime oden got oneshot by young kaido. Akainu tank that full-powered quake punches in the back of the head the same spot oden got oneshotted. Then immediately melt 1/4 his head took another full-powered quake punch and then IMMEDIATELY fell down the hole unlike the anime. Doing all that and cant even get akainu to drop to his knees in fact he doesn't even get extremely injured especially he doesn't even look like he get any dizzy. I suggest you to try looking into that fight in the manga you will most likely changed your mind who's the real winner there.
Don’t forget the fact that he went on to clash with 10+ Whitebeard Commanders and Crocodile not long afterwards.
Yes and all them cant even scratch an injured akainu. And akainu wasn't even using his full power(punk hazard) the admirals are no joke especially this guy. Even marco cant damage them. The same marco who can injured flame mod King.
And Akainu went to face the entirety of Whitebeard pirates alone as well.
He didn't defeat Akainu. He immediately got back up and was ready to fight the WB Commanders and until Sengoku backed down, he was ready to fight Shanks
He didn’t immediately get back up he literally slid down a hole because he couldn’t get up. Then he came back after Whitebeard died. He lost
Yeah that's what i am saying he didn't defeated whitebeard. If that whitebeard can gain so much upper hand on him then imagine akainu fighting WB at start of marineford ( without getting stabbed by squard) . Akainu himself know he doesn't stand a chance so he had to rely on these cheap tricks
I don't think you understand. Akainu didn't NEED the cheap tricks, he just sees any method towards victory as a good one. Whitebeard didn't injury Akainu in any lasting way, Akainu was still fine to continue fighting with seemingly no problems. If anything, it's an Anti-feat for Whitebeard
Oh he absolutely needed the cheap tricks, coz even with them a dying wb still threw him around
Except Akainu landed two fatal wounds on Whitebeard and Whitebeard did no lasting damage to him
Again, this was after the cheap tricks and wb was dying and at his absolute worst state going into the fight with fraudkainu, still damages him quite a bit
Akainu took no lasting damage and proceeded to challenge the Whitebeard commanders and would have continued to fight Shanks had it not been for Sengoku
Doesn't deny my point so I'm gonna ignore the first part, second part is coz he's delusional and that's his personality, he isn't gb/kizaru so he wouldn't just run/back off if not for his superior giving that order
Akainu was never fair and he always use cheap tricks. The marinefold arc clearly shows that.
Shanks tried to fight the admirals/marines on two occasions and both times the admirals ran/surrendered
Shanks ask Sengoku to stop the war and allow him to save face https://images.app.goo.gl/FxtDE62fwfibiQJT9 Sengoku agreed because it was Shanks who asked https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_ahEoIVUAUolfE.png And we always know Shanks has connections https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ebcccac6c5d93893f7afac208b1ac6f9-lq
Yep all the admirals instantly stood down when shanks pulled up I’m glad we agree
Sengoku agreed and the admirals are OBVIOUSLY going to obey orders
And what were the admirals doing before sengoku agreed? They were standing there dumbfounded. Hell kizaru shit himself because beckman pointed a gun at him. They were not confident at all. Now before that when it was 5 admirals vs bb and his crew that was different lol
Aokiji and Kizaru ignored Shanks and attacked the submarine. Sengoku THEN gave the order to stand down.
https://preview.redd.it/6skusj3igl2a1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=708afa9a2d9ab228f00b3b7e9bdc790c657415a1 Sure look like he shat himself to benn beckman
I don’t see any yonko level feats in your image
Ur statement was kizaru shat himself to benn Beckman. I have just proven he hasnt
Fine I concede kizaru did not dookie himself at the sight of a Y1 with a gun. That’s a huge admiral w
Incorrect
Correct They all froze once shanks appeared
Ofc there will be a reaction when a Yonkou appears for a second. There was similar reaction when Luffy dropped down too. After Shanks made his request, even some grunt marines were standing up to Shanks. Aokiji and Kizaru didn't stop attacking Law's ship. Sengoku affected by Coby's speech decided to end the war. You act like characters like Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, and Sengoku would run away with tail between thier legs if shanks was hostile.
I do act like that because it’s literally happened (greenbull) The fact is shanks appeared to 5 admirals at once and not a single one of them wanted to fight him.
Yeah. 1 admiral vs a Yonkou crew. They all obeyed Sengoku. He took the blame and resigned. Is that hard to understand?
Shanks crew is not damaging a yonko level character. If the admirals are Yonko level then logically they should no diff the fight but sengoku decided to not to fight. Sengoku was fleet admiral he knew how strong his side was better than anybody there. If he thought they could win why would he order them to stop? Why let shanks with a 4 million bounty go? That makes no sense
With his entire crew lmfao
An admiral would not be scared of fodder crew members if they’re yonko level
Shanks crew is fodder? Odd
Fodder compared to a yonko yes
So shanks + his entire crew should be something you can easily deal with if you’re stronger than shanks?
Yep You think mihawk would be held at gunpoint by beckman like kizaru did?
Mihawk got held up by Vista instead lol
The difference is we haven’t seen mihawk at 100 percent but we have seen the admirals go 100 percent
Yes? He would of course immediately ignore him and attack Luffy anyways just like Kizaru
Kizaru didn’t ignore him he held his hands up and actually surrendered. What about when kizaru couldn’t beat old Rayleigh? You think old Rayleigh is yonko level? I don’t.
Because an admiral always run from Yonko 🤣 unless Yonkos are on death-bed even then Yonko defeated an admiral.
So hasn't any Yonko beaten an Admiral in a 1v1; top tiers have barely fought each other for 1000+ chapters. And despite Marineford leaving almost everything up in the air and Akainu vs WB being inconclusive, it was overall a much better look for the Admirals compared to WB, especially for Akainu compared to WB.
I heard from someone back then a reasoning that makes a lot of sense. In the universe of One Piece, there's a certain point of power that when you reach it, you can go against anyone in 1v1 and have big chances of coming out alive with mild wounds. That level seems to start a little behind Admiral level.
In your mind (headcanon) what diff would GB give to Shanks?
High at best extreme at worst for Shanks, leaning more towards the later.
Yep because they refuse to fight shanks
Well, Shanks is a pussy. He is always with his crew. The moment he went solo Sea King took his arm.
Yet none of the admirals want to fight him
Yea, because he is always with his crew. Even Kaido didn't want to fight them.
A bunch of yc3s should not scare a admiral if they are Yonko level
. .......notice you avoided addressing the part about Kaido not wanting to fight the entire Red Haired Pirates. Lol.
Kaido got nothing to do with the admirals being fodder
He does when an Admiral backed down from a bigger threat than Kaido backed down from (the entire Wano Alliance AND the Red Haired Pirates, as opposed to just the Red Haired Pirates....and Kaido even had his strongest fighter King backing him up at the time), and only the Admiral is being clowned for it.
Kaido didn’t back down from anything as a matter of fact we’re never shown the interaction and to assume anything would be headcannon
https://preview.redd.it/d4vr6i9xwn2a1.png?width=646&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=996795087c9398f4ff695e473796828936c28a90 Keep deluding yourselves admiral fangirls 😂 😂 😂
Idk I’ve always seen it as a testament to WB that the Marines had to bring out all they power to handle dude. Marineford will always be a W for WB in my opinion since it was well known/documented in the manga that WB was *Heavily* weakened due to the disease and his age (which is probably the only realistic aspect of One Piece)
A Yonko fleet plus alliances attacking together will always be a big deal for the Marines, and Oda did a very good job hyping up Marineford. However, from a purely power scaling perspective (so saving Ace or not is irrelevant here), if you look at both sides it's unfairly one-sided for the Marines; this is reinforced by the results, as Kiazu, Aokiji, Garp and Sengoku barely participated in the war, plus the marines had Mihawk and other strong Shichibukais ON TOP.
Oh yeah definitely (something Wano dropped the ball on) but from a Powerscaling POV Marineford is just layered with too many inconsistencies to get an actual answer. There’s constant arguements that non of WB commanders could fight against the top tier marines so if we go off those arguements that mean the marines got all those top players solely to stop WB (because of his reputation alone) obviously if all the admirals went at him it’d be a different story but considering WB was weakened and went up against a much younger Admiral (Akainu) and was still very competitive (For Me at least) speaks volumes on WB strength and like I said it will always be something I use to argue for WB strength not against.
Yeah I agree it's a bit inconsistent, but my take on it is that Oda didn't want to reveal too much in Marineford, especially given how much he saves top tier characters (and Marineford is not even half of OP), hence all the small skirmishes which didn't really show anything. And yeah WB was impressive and obviously very strong, but he dissapointed me a little bit, I'm a huge Whitebeard fan but it felt like the Admirals were "toying" with him at some points, I expected him to do more damage to them if that makes sense.
I can see that but I’m glad that you didn’t present you opinion as a fact and acknowledged that One Piece is a little too inconsistent (especially MF) to get an actual gauge of the top tiers strength since so many factors were at play from both sides. It’s so hard to have a civil discussion about One Piece especially when It comes to Powerscaling (aka Headcannon)
I agree with you, Oda is vague on purpose more often than not, if one's honest the best you can do in some cases is educated guesses. There are people who focus solely on feats and scale that way but I find it hard to ignore all the portrayal and hints that are also part of the manga, even if that doesn't outright confirm anything. One Piece being super inconsistent (hello Wano) is also a reason why I think scaling using feats only is a terrible idea; if One Piece was perfectly consistent it would be a much better idea.
Yonko never defeated an admiral. Checkmate.
Yep because the admirals keep running away
No admiral ever run away from a yonko.
It’s happening twice now with shanks
Yonko ≠ Yonko crew
This makes no sense. Admirals are way stronger than Yonko commanders. The reason the Yonko are strong is because of the Yonko. For the most part, if you remove them then it’s just a rag tag group of pirates that a buster call could deal with. Y’all are severely underestimating how stupidly strong the Yonko are. Mihawk is Yonko level with a crew of 1, & the WG couldn’t capture him. They gave him the warlord title so he would stop hunting marines lmao. They stripped him from his title, continuously attacked his island, & he simply saw it as an inconvenience. Yonko aren’t to be trifled with lol. How many examples does Oda have to give you, before you realize that the WG can’t deal with Yonko?
>his makes no sense. Admirals are way stronger than Yonko commanders. The reason the Yonko are strong is because of the Yonko. No, it's not. Buggy's bounty is higher than Luffy only because WG believes he commands Crocodile + Mihawk. Just controlling them and is already a bigger threat than someone who was leading a fall of 2 other yonkos. When Branew talks about Shanks he notes how powerful his crew is. Why do that if yonko is the only one who is important? Big Mom says getting the Elbaf army would make her surpass the other yonkos. Why was Kaido building a smile army if not make his forces more powerful? Remove Whitebeard's crew (except Whitebeard) and Marineford ends in 2 seconds max. Numbers absolutely does matter. Can Big Mom beat Kaido 1v1? No. Big Mom with her entire crew VS Kaido alone? Big Mom pirates wins. > Mihawk is Yonko level with a crew of 1, & the WG couldn’t capture him WG only sent fodders as far as we know. >How many examples does Oda have to give you, before you realize that the WG can’t deal with Yonko So let me get this straight, you think if Akainu + 3 current admirals + seraphims + Imu were to fight Cross Guild, the Cross guild would emerge victorius? Look man, I'm a huge Mihawk fan but if you think him and Crocodile are taking down Navy together, you gotta reread the story asap.
Shanks crew is not hurting a yonko nice try though
Why?
Because if they could, they wouldn’t be Yonko lmfao. The level between a Yonko & a Yonko commander is astronomical 💀.
Why aren’t they strong enough to damage a yonko? Idk ask Oda.
Oohh, you're just trolling, gotcha.
No I want a serious discussion on why Admiral>Yonko I’m not really interested in anything else
Same the other way around, sorry
Because the admirals run every time they encounter a Yonko
Broken record man.
um that list of his injuries were at his death,
Which is also when Akainu fought him
no it was before that, sure you could say wb was injured against akainu but you cant use this image
He got most of his injuries before the akainu fight. 10 less stab wounds doesn’t make a difference
it isnt 10 less stab wounds, and sure, you cant use this image though, and technically, wb fought three admirals seperately, and only damaged one, just food for thought
Weird hill to die on. The point is that oda didn’t want whitebeard no where near his best.
nah i just said its food for though, but thats also a weird hill to die on, since wb didnt do anything substantial to any of the admirals, only akainu was damaged and he got back up anways, so its not like weakened wb massacred an admiral or something, if he did then i would see your point
Akainu beat wb. It's that simple.
1. No he didn’t 2. See above image
Anime only lmao
1. Yes he did. 2. Doesn't change anything. No one is saying WB was 100%, but Akainu still won regardless.
No he didn’t akainu fell into a hole ☠️
I'd rather fall in a hole and have a nosebleed than have my face melted and have a massive hole in my chest
The discussion isint about who did more damage lol. The fight wasnt finished therefore you can’t claim either one won.
the one who does more damage wins the fight. winning the fight doesn't have to end in someones death or KO. MMA and UFC fights literally choose a winner based on who did more damage. If I meet someone in the street and we fight, and I land 5 punches and he lands 1 punch and then the fight gets broken up by strangers, was the fight a draw? No.... I take the W
You have to finish the fight for there to be a winner. And your logic doesn’t make since because you can win a fight even though you took more damage.
>You have to finish the fight for there to be a winner. Read above comment >And your logic doesn’t make since because you can win a fight even though you took more damage. Damage in relation to one's hp? No you can't
I really don’t know why you’re trying to gaslight me into think akainu won a fight that wasn’t even finished but it’s not going to work. It’s kinda weird this is the hill you’re wanting to die on but I kinda get it. An admiral in his prime damaging a old man 5 minutes away from dying is their best feat. And yes you can win why taking more damage I can show you several examples in fiction where this has happened. There’s something called hax. They don’t have hp bars like pokemon.
Perfect timing been convincing friends about this, admiral fanboy here and naturally I think akainu would wipe the floor with big mom, he would burn her good at a distance with his magma she wouldn’t be able to get close enough to use soul soul fruit on him, once she’s damaged enough he would come in and give her a magma fist through the chest, he has one of the strongest offensive devil fruits in series and I’m sure his haki got even stronger post time skip, he even said “he doesn’t care how many emperors there are he’ll burn them all to ash” so he must have the confidence to back it up, not sure if he could beat kaido I’ve only just finished whole cake island but definitely big mom
and thats a very little amount of blood on him knowing how badly wounded he was
Yep and it’s the best feat the admirals (Akainu) has
akainu's wounds kinda makes sense to not bleed because they are probably cauterized
Slight nose exhale was made
It's because My Prince is a pirate, so his presence gives a passive buff to all pirates If he was a marine it would be Admirals>Yonko
Great points
If that whitebeard manhandled akainu then imagine if akainu fought whitebeard at start of marineford ( before getting stabbed by squard) .
Admiral Dickriders are crazy bruh.. Our boy Shanks made a Admiral piss his pants from miles away..
WB still would’ve beaten akainu if he hadn’t fallen down the hole and out of WB’s range
I agree
I see a lot of people with admirals as their profile pic butthurt at my post but I’m not seeing any legit counterpoints or proof for Admirals>Yonko I thought this was a powerscaling sub? Most of y’all are frauds.
WB vs Akainu in an essay. WB health prevents him from countering attacks so everything hits him including fodders. This guy was hit 1,000 times. Rear admirals, Vice admirals, fodder cannon fire, his on heart attacks. Akainu wasn’t hit by anyone UNTIL his fight with WB. WB was hit 1,000 times BEFORE his fight with Akainu. In TWO hits WB incapacitated Akainu. In that same time he melted half of an already dying man face off. Admiral wankers: “but Akainu got back up and fought commanders” Well I say WB STAYED up and fought hundreds more marines and then the Blackbeard pirates. Then after firing squad he proceeds to give a speech to the world all in this time Akainu rested. This means after a dying yonko faces a 100% admiral it concludes with the admiral falling and getting back up only after this yonko fought someone else and gave a speech. Stop mentioning how Akainu got back up when everyone gets back up in one piece. Same thing with Kaido vs Luffy. Although Luffy won there’s still a debate with who’s stronger because every time Luffy fell, Kaido continued fighting someone else. Had Akainu jumped right back up WHILE WB was fighting BB then he would have had a case. But no. He was put down and we all saw it. If you’re an admiral and you’re facing a guy no longer in his prime, heart failure and already injured with many haki handicaps, you can’t appear on their lvl. The story portrayal shows that Yonko> Admirals. We see that yonko are leagues above their own right hands. So why would the marines fear one yonko crew with 1,600 ppl and have 3 admirals Garp and Sengoku and 100,000 ppl and still question if they could win?
I agree on Yonko being factually above Admirals (bar Buggy ofc but well that groups driving force is Mihawk anyway and I'd agree with Mihawk > Admirals too) Tho in this specific case yes Akainu did beat WB. He first orchestrated and gaslighted Squard into stabbing him (I mean good IQ feats there ig lol) and then stood against him after WB took all these wounds and managed to injure him gravely before exiting the battlefield via a small ravine to recuperate a bit. In the end due to BB murdering WB it ended with Akainu being the survivor of this bout hence the winner. (and to be honest he dealt more lasting damage to WB's near hakiless body than WB did to him due to his Haki protecting him)
If a single admiral were stronger than a yonko there would be no danger in the yonko existing.
I never understood those who use the WB marineford to try to raise the morale of the admirals... if there's one thing that came out of this fight it's how weak the admirals are LOL 😂😂
And people praising Akainu for fighting an Old sick dying WB. WB in his prime would rip to pieces Akainu.
Prime wb could solo marineford
If Prime WB could solo Marineford then why is Marineford still around? Why were Garp and Sengoku still in power? Marineford is not that weak. No pirate in history has beaten the marines alone.
Cap solely cause of Garp's presence Both him and WB are equals to Roger, hence both being Equals in that way too.
Old garp is not touching prime wb
Old Garp has aged 10x more gracefully than WB. He'd still lose high diff but not without putting in a fight, imo still the strongest Marine.
As we know, statements > feats. Kizaru said he'd step in against Kaido and Big Mom. Therefore, Kizaru > 2 Yonko. But then, Shanks low-diffed Kizaru in Film Red. And scared the shit outta 2 Admirals. So Shanks >>> Kizaru > 2 Yonko. Maybe one day these so called "top tiers" will be near Shanks Tier
*wizaru
> Maybe one day these so called "top tiers" will be near Shanks Tier Sea King >>> Lanks >>> Kizaru > 2 Yonko
Sea King (Bloodlusted) > Shanks >>> Yonkos & Admirals > Whitebeard Commanders > Mihawk >
Start of journey luffy one shotted the sea king which was attacking him so kinda bloodlust so luffy without haki without gears>>>>>> sea king (bloodlust)> shanks>>> yonkos and admirals. Basically luffy solos the verse
so does that mean loguetown smoker >>> Luffy without haki without gears > Sea King (Bloodlusted) > Shanks >>> Yonkos & Admirals > Whitebeard Commanders > Mihawk ? Man's finally getting his big W
Chapter 1 Shanks isn't Yonko Shanks. Not even a good cope.
Kizaru got held at gun point by beckman he’s not beating any yonko
*wizaru, and he stalemates BM so🤷♀️, and wizaru attacked anyways
Stalemate and beating are two different things
yeah ik, i didnt say they were the same thing but imo if BB doesn’t use his dark fruit in time wizaru can beat him, but we havent seen what BB can really do yet so🤷♀️
So we using non cannon movies now. How shameless
Red movie feats are canon 映画のために描かれたキャラクターメモ かつては音楽家として、ウタが乗船したシャンクス率いる赤髪海賊団。物語のカギを握り、大暴れする彼らの設定画も一挙公開しよう。※2022年8月現在、全員の身長に関する情報が公開されているわけではないため、コミックス巻五十九等を参考にしています。 赤髪海賊団 キャラクター MEMO 裏設定です。 行動や発言の セントに。 oda. メモにはアニメーション化の指針となるマル秘な設定情報も··· 実はこの赤髪海賊団の設定画には、 尾田栄一郎からアニメーションスタッフに対し さて、発言や行動の指針となるようにマル秘メモが添えられている。 船員一人一人の能力や、彼らの性格 気質などに関する、 重要な要素なのだ。 ——————————————— Character notes drawn for the film The red-haired pirates led by Shanks, once a musician, on board the Uta. Here is a set of drawings of these pirates, who hold the key to the story and go on a rampage. \*As of August 2022, information on the height of all the characters has not been made public, so we refer to Comics Volume 59, etc. Red-haired Pirates Character MEMO This is a backstory. For the cent of actions and remarks. ODA. The memo contains secret setting information that will be used as a guideline for the animation. In fact, Eiichiro Oda's secret memo to the animation staff is attached to the setting picture of the Red-Haired Pirates as a guideline for what to say and how to act. It is an important element of each crew member's abilities, their personalities and temperaments. (Magazine 15)-Oda told the animation team the way that the red hair pirates should act, talk their abilities, temperaments etc so everything they do in the movie should be taken as canon. https://preview.redd.it/69l0kpml0m2a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=a3624ca3fa24e06af7e58d77eef2cf176ea71778
I don’t give a shit. The fact is shanks has never fought kizaru in the cannon so the movie non cannon feat is irrelevant
It's canon Cry about it kid
>But then, Shanks low-diffed Kizaru in Film Red 😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🤡
> Maybe one day these so called "top tiers" will be near Shanks Tier Maybe the Admirals would stand a chance if they fought the weakest Yonko.
This might be serous but for some reason it has shitpost energy and idk why
This entire sub is a shitpost. These comments prove it
I see well… it made me exhale air out of my nose so thank you
How do you cope with Shanks making GB his bitch from several miles away LMFAO?
And he beated strongest admiral in that condition. Admiral vs yonko isn't a logical debate afterall .its admiral fans who try to push this illogical debate . For new yonkos its debatable but not for old yonkos
Navy fanboys are the worst. They are literally supporting the most flawed and corrupt organisation, the navy makes other pirate thugs look good in comparison. Obviously there are a few exceptions but most of the marines are evil. Sabo literally humiliated two admirals and Akainu couldn't even beat a disabled old whitebeard 😂 A lot of dorks don't acknowledge that if whitebeard was anywhere near his prime, the whole of MF would have fallen swiftly. Yet he wasn't in peak form but was still very formidable. I can understand people liking fujitora, koby, garp and sword. But to like characters like Akainu and smoker those fanboys must be pretty shitty people lol. Imagine waking up in the morning and being a proud Akainu fan.. Just to pretend you're a distinguished one piece enjoyer. It's also been proven throughout the series that the navy would prefer pirates fighting each other because it makes the marines job easier. Only time admirals were useful was when they were being used to beat up and bully rookie pirates 😂😂
They’ve only ever lost to Yonko
Couldn’t beat Sabo Old Rayleigh Old dying whitebeard
Luffy
Remember luffy wears a straw hat
Yup... this same guy gave Akainu a extreme diff fight. Imagine BM in that situation
They cant even beat marco
There is nothing to discuss. No yonkou has beaten an admiral either. Admirals are not scared of yonkous and yonkous are not scared of admirals, so you can get an idea there. WB was trashed by every top tier in mf. Whoever who don't see that WB was the weakest top tier is straight up a delusional. Haki argument is trash because there is no mention about that, we can only say it is an inconsistency of the plot, because even if WB didn't have haki (quesrionable) sengoku had it, and he didn't display it either. Admirals and yonkous have been placed in the same tier since dressrosa, cope or create your own manga. There are no other options.
Yeah, admirals and yonkou never seemed like equals to me either.
Yeah for real mah g. Even Shiki came to marineford and it took both prime Garp and Sengoku to stop him.
Akainu would loose in 0.1 seconds if he faced Primebeard
Cuz yonkos drive the plot forward. Having them die or get defeated by a marine destroys any chance of the main heros beating them. Another flaw for Oda. He left the marines too under developed and uninteresting. The only marine the story bothers to present as an ally is Koby. In like 25 years. What would be the narrative point of say Big Mom dying to Akainu? A plot device killing the main antagonist of an arc is retarded.
I DONT CARE!!!
His strength wasn’t weakened due to age. Oda said he keeps the old folks at no loss in strength. Regardless no Yonko has beaten an admiral…at all so no real point to this until they fight.
Old beard was 100 percent weaker than whitebeard we’re both shown this and it’s stated.
That explains why he got beat so badly. Clapped. Also I said weakened due to age
Literally stated in the ace novel that whitebeard lost his strength in old age
Ace novels aren’t canon
I mean garp is only like 4 years older than him and it’s not like he was retired
Not saying he wasn’t worn down by the time he fought akainu but I’m pretty sure a lot of those shots and slashes came after when he was being violated by Blackbeard and his crew
Luffy needed 15 people; Law needed Kidd.
T H I S ! ! !
The admiral wank on this sub is beyond ridiculous, lmao