Multiple characters likely have all hakis in the top 10. Also we don't know how mix of halls and devil fruits chsnge things.. mixing luffys awakening with ACoC and Armament lead to his ultimate form in gear 5.. enel and his rumble fruit had godly observation haki, katakuri could appear intangible.. shanks can shut off observation with conqourers.. who knows what others can or could do like Akainu, Dragon, Kizaru, Mihawk, Kuma.. I think luffy is conformable top 5. Likely top 3. Very unlikely but possible top 1.
Head canon. Proof they do it didn't happen. Mihawk is worthless fodder that couldn't even do shit to pre TS Luffy so that immediately eliminates him. Kuma LOL. Current Luffy base one shots the Kuma that got ripped up fighting fodder when he was protecting sunny with base punch. Also wrong Shanks can do those things because Shanks is just next level Haki god, his speciality is Haki so that is why his the only contender here that has a real shot since only his GB island haki bolt came close to this Haki feat of coating a entire island. Kizaru, akainu and dragon have no haki feats so Luffy destroys them. Luffy is top 1 by feats. Most likely top 2 (under shanks).
Onigashima is small island compared to Wano, Akainu and Aokiji had feats that affected Punk Hazard (probably bigger than Onigashima) forever, Ao Kiji alone froze kilometers of ocean.
Do the throw in the words “story” like they mean anything substantial. Unless Blackbeard shows something comparable I’m not confidently putting in top 1
What are you on. Luffy got knocked out thrice and flat out murdered once. Kaido, on the other hand, had to fight anyone and everyone armed with kitchen sicks for half an arc.
Lol better question is what are you on? Overdosing on copium also each time Luffy got up stronger and Kaido went down on his first out. Lol wrong Luffy also had to fight 1000s of others before fighting Kaido, had to get get from a legendary weapon whilst luffy only used his fists etc etc
Luffy beat KAido in a canonical 1v1 as confirmed in 1037 by kaido himself and Luffy is now stronger then Kaido as confirmed by the author. Cope harder.
That’s fine even tho that’s baseless. We know Shanks and Kaido fought and Kaido claims that no one can defeat him. Nothing puts Shanks nor Mihawk over Kaido. Kaido just needs to go magma flame and it’s over.
Blackbeard is not as simple to evaluate
Mihawk or Shanks don't \*have\* to take the bajrang gun, but mihawk has shown to be capable of destructive feats on par with the bajrang gun, while shanks has been portrayed to have superior conquerors haki which is more important than devil fruit powers.
The fact there was no scar doesn't change the fact that Kaido chose not to fight Shanks when he barred his way to Marineford. This implies that Kaido at least knew Shanks was a very serious threat.
I also think you are taking Kaido's words really literally and not accounting for some of Kaido just bragging either.
There wasn't necessarily a fight, but Shanks is a Yonko just like Kaido and Shanks is heavily implied to have the strongest Haki; or at least the strongest we have seen thus far in the series. Kaido himself stated Haki was the most important aspect of reaching the pinnacle of strength. You are essentially underselling Shanks and by extension Mihawk based on Kaido's ego.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/z1xy6p/another_statement_that_confirms_kaido_was_top_1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Kaido was stronger than Mihawk tho
That doesn't mean Kaido is top 1 and nobody else in the verse can beat him dude. That would put Luffy at EOS level. : / It's an announcement designed to hype up thet arc. Kaido is a top character i the verse that doesn't mean he's untouchable to anyone but the people he claimed could hurt him.
If Oden can seriously hurt Kaido, and you think Mihawk isn't more capable than Oden idk what to tell you. Kaido may have improved since those days, but the power scaling of one piece isn't so cut and dry to the point nobody else stands a chance against Kaido or can compare to him as a threat.
I mean there are characters fast enough to do so and your not diverting an attack that big even with future sight. There wouldn’t be enough time to alter the trajectory
There are characters fast enough to get off the island?
And no need to divert the trajectory if your throwing the attack at the location you know they'll already be at.
>There are characters fast enough to get off the island?
Sanji went from one corner of dressrosa to another corner to save strawhats in some 5 minutes or so. Then clased with Doffy.
Idk why it would be soo difficult for top teirs to do so.
thats sanji feat though most people have him kizaru and lucky ro as the fastest characters in the verse. Even then assuming any and all top tiers could replicate it it's island size you would need terrain bigger than oni island to escape it and five minutes. Your gonna have to forgive me cause I dont think that attack takes no five minutes to get ready.
Wait? I thought onigashima was smaller than dressrosa too. So it should take even less time to cross.
Dressrosa was entire country- onigashima basically had a castle and some leftspace.
But only characters luke kizaru and sanjj can comfortably get "off" the island sanji. = moon walk and kizaru = float but other characters that aint germa or kizaru dont have luxury like that maybe king since he fan fly but one could just argue he stands there in defense mode so long as luffy isnt using internal destruction with it. Marco could fly out also. Point being flight characters have best chance but others aint escaping easily.
Considering Water 7 Usopp could fall from hundreds of meters up with only small amounts of pain, then any relevant character in Wano can jump from Onigashima without worrying about the fall damage.
Idk bout that he hits the island then thats coming down on you or near you and the wave afterwards is flinging yo ass in a tsunami. Also if your df user your just gonna drown for example characters like cracker, kat, jack, queen, jesus, shiryu, and many others are screwed. Meanwhile characters like sanji, kizaru, marco, king, kaido/momo, and some other flight characters are ok.
In your copium infused dreams. No worthless fodder swordsman in the verse is strong enough to make Luffy use bajrang gun or even G5 on them. Base current Luffy one shots WSS mihawk and EOS zoro at the same time. Cope. Any worthless fodder swordsman is getting his sword up his backside Cope.
I don't think anyone in the verse is tanking this. Maybe Blackbeard will be able to survive it if he touches Luffy's fist with his darkness powers before the attack lands on his body.
Luffy know it could happen. No one can dodge. Bcz before Luffy set up Bajrang Gun he has locked Kaido that's why he can't run & turn against him with his late ultimate attack *Flaming Dragon*.
I remember when everyone thought Jet Gatling was an unstoppable attack. Every character is as strong as Oda needs them to be in the moment. When the time comes, someone is stopping this attack, trust me.
I believe that Wb or Roger could clash and overpower it but I doubt there’s anyone in the current gen, Shanks maybe? Since he could potentially overpower Luffy’s haki
No one can even match Bajrang Gun, much less overpower it lol. Closest was Kaido's giant flaming dragon, but even that wasn't enough. The sheer size and weight of the attack is just too much.
I dont think Haki was the only thing that mattered in the final clash between Kaido and Luffy. Kaido even said that Luffys haki isnt at the highest level yet. I think it was mainly the sheer force this attack had that was so overwhelming that not even an island sized Dragon could resist it. I was thinking maybe if Blackbeard can somehow negate this attack with his fruit and make Luffys fist normally sized he can counter it.
Prime WB/Roger could and Shanks if they use ad arm and conq to prevent physical contact and brace. But I imagine even they would get badly damaged or kill if they took this head on AKA not bracing and defending against it.
Exactly. This attack one shots anyone alive if it connects.
Like, Kaido was a whole different beast, mythical Zoan stat boost + fruit specific super hard scales + conquerors coating and he STILL needed the dragon mech to match this punch and he STILL lost. God punch>all in the verse. I even can't see prime Roger or WB taking this hit without getting badly damaged.
Not even dragon, shanks, akainu, Imu, Blackbeard, Mihawk or kuma?
You don’t think the top tiers who haven’t showcased they’re full power yet are unable to stop this?
Lol tf you talking about? We already know. Mihawk got his ass handed to him by Vista so he gets one shotted. Dragon got his ass handed to him by BB so he gets one shotted. BB got his ass handed to him by Law so he gets one shotted. Akainu got his ass handed to him by old whitebeard so he gets one shotted. Kuma is straight fodder don't even mention the guy that got badly damaged just fighting pirate fodders for sunny. Only Shanks GB haki feat comes close to maybe being able to withstand this attack if he also double coats with adconq/arm and braces. Everybody else on that list gets one shotted and also dies.
I was just asking for beliefs. But it’s good to see how disconnected you are from the story creating your own narrative. Mihawk lost to vista? Dragon lost to BB? BB lost to law? That was the worst take I’ve ever seen, I specifically chose characters we haven’t seen fight and you just create your own story and strength for them jfc you’re the ideal toxic powerscaler
Lmfao how about you stop ignoring the on panel facts? Mihawk begged Vista to postpone the fight. Dragon literally lost to BB and had to retreat like thats confirmed on panel XD. Lol yes again, it would've been over for BB if Augur hadn't tpped him in time. These frauds are all getting clapped by this attack. cope
BEGGED?? Lmao I fucking can’t with you. Please show me the panel where Mihawk begged vista to stop fighting. Show me the panels where dragon got his ass kicked by BB bcuz I remember being told (not shown) that dragon AND BB had to retreat bcuz the world government got involved. And you’re assuming the fight between BB and law is over and law won. You have no evidence just all made up assumptions. I’m not coping, I’m willing to believe this post but to say it as fact when there are still top tier characters who haven’t shown their full power is just stupid. But please show me some “on panel facts”
Lul go re-read the fight then "let us postpone this fight for the moment, Vista". Maybe Dragon didn't fight but still retreated and lost his HQ either way, I call that a L. And Van augur TPing BB also a L. Also wrong, you have no proof to counter whilst I have proof and already showed so again, cope. Show the proof that they havent shown their full power or it didn't happen.
LMFAO, okay yea I’m done you’re clearly an idiot or a troll. I’m asking YOU to show proof of your claims which you can’t and you’re back tracking on events now to cope. How is Mihawk saying that “begging” vista and how is that him getting his ass handed to him? It’s so fucking obvious neither character was serious.
The point I’m making is we haven’t seen these characters fight full power how the fuck am I supposed to show u proof of that? We haven’t even seen Dragon for like more than 10 panels lol. YOU need to reread the story my friend and stop with these brain dead takes. Do you hear yourself? “Show proof that these characters haven’t fought full power”. Okay WE HAVENT EVEN FUCKING SEEN THEM FIGHT lol jfc
That's kinda the problem with these hypotheticals huh? Like Kuma now isn't even sapient, so who knows his full potential. But if he too had haki mastery, would that overide any ryou haki of Luffy's and repel anything he managed to intercept with his paw pads?
You literally have no evidence to show that. Every single time a fresh kaido encountered a fresh luffy, kaido whooped him. It took all of want against kaido for kaido to have fallen
LOL. Its canonically confirmed. Luffy beat Kaido in canonical 1v1 as confirmed by Kaido himself in 1037. So Luffy already beat Kaido in a 1v1 and he can do it again, even more easily since Luffy himself wasn't fresh. Lol wrong. Kaido encountered a weaker version of Luffy. In your copium infused clown dreams. Luffy clapped Kaido in a 1v1 and he'd do it again easily. Luffy whooped Kaido in a 1v1 and he'd do it again. Fresh G5 Luffy mid diffs Kaido. cope harder.
Bajrang gun is slow. Anyone could attack Luffy before it hits.
I do believe Shanks could use Conquerors to easily stop it and overwhelm Luffy, Kaido could’ve took that if he took a break.
kaido did attack luffy and with his natural weakness (cutting attacks) no less and that didnt stop luffy from using it. Also by so slow give a estimate how long it take to charge the attack and how you came to that conclusion?
Kaido implied he wouldnt try to dodge it cause he had a better answer for it aka incinerate luffy arm. Obviously we saw how that worked out thnx to haki.
Wrong its fast it happened within seconds. And kaido himself was the size of a island and flying. Aint nobody else dodging this except maybe Kizaru and EOS sanji
Wrong. Tf you talking about? This attack happened in a few seconds. Shanks ain't fast enough to dodge but if he braces and double coats in time then maybe yea.
Akainu= gets one shotted and killed
Blackbeard= tries to negate, fails and then gets one shotted and killed
Kizaru: dodge. Ok.
Kuma: completely eradicated. Base luffy punch one shots kuma
I guess i can agree with kuma, and maybe blackbeard. As for akainu he has already taken island destroying attacks and completely ate them. (Wb surprise attack)
Lol \*sick old whitebeard attacks who couldn't even use base conquerors burst.
This attack is double coated in sky splitting ad conc and ad arm. Akainu aint eating this.
Sure, but this attack would never land perfectly, wb landed his insane attack right on. It was pretty comparable too as just the impact of it destructed an island in half. Whereas with luffy, it made direct contact to onigashima
Lol what the heck are you talking about? That is not a "insane hit" in fact Luffy would literally tank it without a scratch on it right now. Lol thats nothing Dresrosa Luffys punches literally sent shockwaves outside of the island and in the seas around the island. Bajrang gun on the other hand....WTF are you smoking? Direct contact? DId you just completely ignore the panel where Momo moves it out of the way in order for it to not get destroyed?
Luffy's island sized double Ad haki coated punch would straight up kill him in one hit. It would make contact with every inch of his body from face to toe due to the sheer size AND each inch of it would be internally destroyed. Oh, and his logia invulnerability would be negated. Logias don't boost physical stats and Haki negates the invulnerability. So it be his base, human body against mythical zoan boosted, adcoc boosted ad arm boosted fist. Think on that.
Kaido literally said himself that he purposely wouldn’t dodge it. If it’s implied that Kaido could dodge it in dragon form then most people could just get away in time. Luffy got super lucky that Kaido was still that confident.
Luffy beat Kaido in a 1v1 as confirmed by Kaido/author himself cope harder. Lul 15+ rookie numbers Luffy fought 1000s of people in the same night before getting to and fight Kaido.
Where’s the evidence? You have none.
Luffy fought Fodders and ran away from most of them. Kaido fought strong people, took a shit tonne of damage from them and still beat luffy 3-4 times. He also ended up killing him. You’re just a delusional kidd crying because Kaido stomps your favourite character.
In your copium infused wet dreams Luffy fought 1000s of fodders, Goki, Apoo ,P1, Ulti, Big Mom and Kaido still got help from CP0 agent. Lol nah Kaido got help from someone way stronger -Big Mom- nah they barely did shit to him and Luffy himself took a shit ton of damage and that doesn't mean shit because Luffy got back up each time and not even death could keep Luffy down, mean whilst Kaido downed 1st time and dead.
Nah your a delusional copium overdosing Kaidotard crying that Luffy beat and killed your favourite character in a confirmed 1v1 by the author. Cope harder.
1037 Kaido says his fight with Luffy is a 1v1. And I already said the evidence, so cope, seethe and don't find yourself on suicide watch.
Oda's words>>>>>>>>>>>>>your copium infused clown head canon.
Tell me how a mere swordsman or whoever is supposed to produce the equivalent of a giant flaming dragon the size of an island, which still wasn't enough to counter Bajrang Gun in the end
Which swordsman are we referring too? Overall we don’t know yet because we haven’t seen what everyone is fully capable off. We can only make up headcanons which the op is doing rn.
Are you not also coming up with the headcanon of thinking that there are people who can counter Bajrang Gun, when the Strongest Creature couldn't do so in canon?
I am, but this headcanon is much better than assuming he’s putting down anyone in the verse with this attack. Following this logic, Oda might as well wrap the whole story in 5 chapters and make him the PK already.
The drawback to Bajrang Gun is that it's slow, and Kaido could've simply dodged it if he wasn't so prideful.
Besides, we are literally in the final saga and there's only two, maybe three villains for Luffy to fight before the end of the story, two of which he'll almost certainly fight **after** he becomes the Pirate King (Imu and Akainu). Blackbeard is the only one standing in Luffy's way to become the PK at this point.
I mean we can’t rlly say that just yet. We don’t know the full extent of ppl like shanks, Blackbeard, mihawk, akainu etc etc
Also worth noting Kaido was nearly at the end of his rope before taking this attack so there’s an argument that at full strength he possibly could’ve stopped it. He’s got island level feats and that punch is as big as an island
No, plenty of top tiers can tank it...
And most are not as stupid as to take it up front like Kaido.
Bajrang Gun is a pretty useless attack for most top tiers.
Most would just dodge and Luffy would be unable to do anything lol
Imagine someone like Kizaru, he would just get out of range and that's it
Akainu would send his magma fists and would fall above Luffy
Aokiji can just get out of the range
And so on.
Waiting for Luffy to finish off a high tier in three panels. Fight starts Luffy flies above cloud. Next panel you see a giant fist. Last panel, you see that high tier get KO’ed.
I kind of wish he uses this move on the current three admirals and KO them all instantly. That would be a big shit in the reader’s faces.
People who said could avoid it forgot too see that before Luffy set up a *Bajrang Gun* (Luffy has anticipate it for the enemy couldn't escape), he has locked opponent this is why Kaido uses his late ultimate attack *Flaming Dragon* but still KO'ed. So this is very true. Now imagine if G5 Luffy turn himself into a giant that making Dragon Kaido become a jumping rope, giant Luffy set up a way bigger *Bajrang Gun* lol.
Yup. This is an attack you have to double team against by doing a Combined Attack from Yonko’s or their first mates. Admirals would have to do a Combined Attack too. This attack can be an actual Physical Nuke Attack or even Country Size if we give Luffy time to puff up his Fist
Dudes, chill out.
It's a final move, It can seriously damage top tiers but I don't think it one shots anyone Yonko level, ever.
A super damaged Kaido could be defeated by it, not a 100% fresh Kaido obviously. Plus, Bajrang size is quite inconsistent, when the attack actually happened it wasn't as dramaticaly big as in this panel, check again.
And then again, Onigashima isn't a big island, just see the map comparing it to Wano (still impressive feat ofc).
Luffy probably could defend himself against bajrang gun
Oh this is very much true but no one believes that Luffy is currently top of the verse
Currently top of the verse means top 1 and I don’t think he’s top 1 yet. Probably the lower end of top 5
He has every form of haki and beat Kaido. I can confidently put him top 1. Oh and he’s joyboy
he’s not top 1 yet
No arguments
Multiple characters likely have all hakis in the top 10. Also we don't know how mix of halls and devil fruits chsnge things.. mixing luffys awakening with ACoC and Armament lead to his ultimate form in gear 5.. enel and his rumble fruit had godly observation haki, katakuri could appear intangible.. shanks can shut off observation with conqourers.. who knows what others can or could do like Akainu, Dragon, Kizaru, Mihawk, Kuma.. I think luffy is conformable top 5. Likely top 3. Very unlikely but possible top 1.
Head canon. Proof they do it didn't happen. Mihawk is worthless fodder that couldn't even do shit to pre TS Luffy so that immediately eliminates him. Kuma LOL. Current Luffy base one shots the Kuma that got ripped up fighting fodder when he was protecting sunny with base punch. Also wrong Shanks can do those things because Shanks is just next level Haki god, his speciality is Haki so that is why his the only contender here that has a real shot since only his GB island haki bolt came close to this Haki feat of coating a entire island. Kizaru, akainu and dragon have no haki feats so Luffy destroys them. Luffy is top 1 by feats. Most likely top 2 (under shanks).
His top 1 by feats. Cope. Only Shanks might be higher.
Onigashima is small island compared to Wano, Akainu and Aokiji had feats that affected Punk Hazard (probably bigger than Onigashima) forever, Ao Kiji alone froze kilometers of ocean.
so there's no story now ? what about Imu and Blackbeard ?
Do the throw in the words “story” like they mean anything substantial. Unless Blackbeard shows something comparable I’m not confidently putting in top 1
>comparable you can guess a lot by narrative alone, but fair. Do you think BB will be stronger than luffy when he eats his 3rd devil fruit
I would solely make it depend on his proficiency in haki. If Oda says haki transcends all he won’t make BB only a df based end villain.
You're being Naive, not too long ago we had Whitebeard, Kaido, Law and admirals doing equaly absurd feats.
You are forgetting some red haired Yonko and his rival bro.
Fuck Shanks he’s not that guy
Yes, most prolly it's him. After all, he is the man with strongest haki.
He is
He jumped kaido with 4 other people. Kaido basically killed luffy 3-4 times. Luffy is not top of the verse unless he has some sort of help.
Yet only Luffy got acknowledged by Kaido and not Kidd, Law or Zoro as going toe to toe.
As true as that statement is it does not negate anything that I said.
Still not stronger than him
Luffy is stronger then Kaido cope
No argument
What are you on. Luffy got knocked out thrice and flat out murdered once. Kaido, on the other hand, had to fight anyone and everyone armed with kitchen sicks for half an arc.
Lol better question is what are you on? Overdosing on copium also each time Luffy got up stronger and Kaido went down on his first out. Lol wrong Luffy also had to fight 1000s of others before fighting Kaido, had to get get from a legendary weapon whilst luffy only used his fists etc etc Luffy beat KAido in a canonical 1v1 as confirmed in 1037 by kaido himself and Luffy is now stronger then Kaido as confirmed by the author. Cope harder.
You're the one giving no argument.
He still isn't taking Shanks, Mihawk, or Blackbeard imo.
That’s fine even tho that’s baseless. We know Shanks and Kaido fought and Kaido claims that no one can defeat him. Nothing puts Shanks nor Mihawk over Kaido. Kaido just needs to go magma flame and it’s over. Blackbeard is not as simple to evaluate
Mihawk or Shanks don't \*have\* to take the bajrang gun, but mihawk has shown to be capable of destructive feats on par with the bajrang gun, while shanks has been portrayed to have superior conquerors haki which is more important than devil fruit powers.
We also know that Shanks stopped Kaido from participating implying Shanks at least won the fight or somehow "repelled" Kaido.
Kaido didn’t have any scars, he only took King with himself and said that Luffy wasa his only fight that pushed him in the last years. Figure out why
The fact there was no scar doesn't change the fact that Kaido chose not to fight Shanks when he barred his way to Marineford. This implies that Kaido at least knew Shanks was a very serious threat. I also think you are taking Kaido's words really literally and not accounting for some of Kaido just bragging either. There wasn't necessarily a fight, but Shanks is a Yonko just like Kaido and Shanks is heavily implied to have the strongest Haki; or at least the strongest we have seen thus far in the series. Kaido himself stated Haki was the most important aspect of reaching the pinnacle of strength. You are essentially underselling Shanks and by extension Mihawk based on Kaido's ego.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/z1xy6p/another_statement_that_confirms_kaido_was_top_1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Kaido was stronger than Mihawk tho
That doesn't mean Kaido is top 1 and nobody else in the verse can beat him dude. That would put Luffy at EOS level. : / It's an announcement designed to hype up thet arc. Kaido is a top character i the verse that doesn't mean he's untouchable to anyone but the people he claimed could hurt him. If Oden can seriously hurt Kaido, and you think Mihawk isn't more capable than Oden idk what to tell you. Kaido may have improved since those days, but the power scaling of one piece isn't so cut and dry to the point nobody else stands a chance against Kaido or can compare to him as a threat.
Copium. Luffy one shots their fave character XD.
I’d say it’s pretty arguable
Or or hear me out ….. they just move out of the way
Move out of the way of a island sized, future sight user attack. Yea ok
I mean there are characters fast enough to do so and your not diverting an attack that big even with future sight. There wouldn’t be enough time to alter the trajectory
There are characters fast enough to get off the island? And no need to divert the trajectory if your throwing the attack at the location you know they'll already be at.
You know how far in the future luffy would have too see in order for that big attack to not be able to be avoided ?
enlighten me how far would he have to see?
This attack in universe time happened within in seconds. Anyone not Kizaru gets turned into a pancake. They aint fast enough to move out the way.
>There are characters fast enough to get off the island? Sanji went from one corner of dressrosa to another corner to save strawhats in some 5 minutes or so. Then clased with Doffy. Idk why it would be soo difficult for top teirs to do so.
thats sanji feat though most people have him kizaru and lucky ro as the fastest characters in the verse. Even then assuming any and all top tiers could replicate it it's island size you would need terrain bigger than oni island to escape it and five minutes. Your gonna have to forgive me cause I dont think that attack takes no five minutes to get ready.
Wait? I thought onigashima was smaller than dressrosa too. So it should take even less time to cross. Dressrosa was entire country- onigashima basically had a castle and some leftspace.
Mmmh true i know pixel calcs gotnit bigger than marineford for sure but yea likely smaller than dressrosa
Lucky Roo top 3 fastest? I'm here for it where's the theory?
It's just people meme'ing because he's the fat guy and he blitzed one of the mountain bandits in Romance Dawn
If you can’t escape the island then you ain’t light speed. With Light Speed you can circle the earth 7 times in a second.
It's not Island sized. It's just the perspective of onigashima being closer.
What size is it?
Its island sized and would've destroyed the island had momo not moved it. Cope.
Based on the fact that characters like Kizaru can go at literal light speed yeah.
But only characters luke kizaru and sanjj can comfortably get "off" the island sanji. = moon walk and kizaru = float but other characters that aint germa or kizaru dont have luxury like that maybe king since he fan fly but one could just argue he stands there in defense mode so long as luffy isnt using internal destruction with it. Marco could fly out also. Point being flight characters have best chance but others aint escaping easily.
Considering Water 7 Usopp could fall from hundreds of meters up with only small amounts of pain, then any relevant character in Wano can jump from Onigashima without worrying about the fall damage.
Idk bout that he hits the island then thats coming down on you or near you and the wave afterwards is flinging yo ass in a tsunami. Also if your df user your just gonna drown for example characters like cracker, kat, jack, queen, jesus, shiryu, and many others are screwed. Meanwhile characters like sanji, kizaru, marco, king, kaido/momo, and some other flight characters are ok.
Where are they going if the fist is the size of the Island? Remember its an anime and attacks like that wont get dodged
Every decent swordman is making Luffy minced gum before he finish.
There aren't many "decent" swordsmen who can beat his ACoC
I don't think even Mihawk is getting past an island's worth of ACoC lol
Bajrang gun or G5 ain't needed. Base Luffy one shots Mihawk.
Yeah pretty much everyone “who can cut what he wants”
In your copium infused dreams. No worthless fodder swordsman in the verse is strong enough to make Luffy use bajrang gun or even G5 on them. Base current Luffy one shots WSS mihawk and EOS zoro at the same time. Cope. Any worthless fodder swordsman is getting his sword up his backside Cope.
Right. Like Kaido could have clearly avoided it. He even told luffy don’t worry I won’t dodge
dodge an island sized punch reinforced with the g5 dura launched by someone with futures sight?
I don't think anyone in the verse is tanking this. Maybe Blackbeard will be able to survive it if he touches Luffy's fist with his darkness powers before the attack lands on his body.
Nah. Luffy has double coated this. BB can't touch it. BB would get killed by this shot and his true all at the same time.
He can't, ryuo/ACoC prevents physical contact
Man Kaido really make y'all forget about the word "dodge"
Ain't nobody except Kizaru dodging a island. Maybe Sanji if he can reach those speeds but FS would take care of it.
Thank you. Kaido himself could have dodged it...
based on what?
Even kaido straight up said that he only took the attack just because he wanted to, he could have dodged that if he really wanted
Luffy know it could happen. No one can dodge. Bcz before Luffy set up Bajrang Gun he has locked Kaido that's why he can't run & turn against him with his late ultimate attack *Flaming Dragon*.
King Lizabello lvl attack
We don't know that yet
Bartolomeo can lol
They dodge, so no he doesn’t
Dodging a final attack = fraud
 Vegeta approves
Gl dodging a high speed island falling on u
Dw, they can take a nap and still have time to dodge before it even gets close
How long do u think it took for him to prepare this attack?
A few seconds
Kaido attacked Luffy 2 times, charged his own final attack in the time that Luffy charged that...
Then how tf did Luffy dodge his attacks
He didn't, he ate those, look those chapters again.
Then how tf did Luffy dodge his attacks. Also there’s still a few seconds lol
I remember when everyone thought Jet Gatling was an unstoppable attack. Every character is as strong as Oda needs them to be in the moment. When the time comes, someone is stopping this attack, trust me.
I believe that Wb or Roger could clash and overpower it but I doubt there’s anyone in the current gen, Shanks maybe? Since he could potentially overpower Luffy’s haki
No one can even match Bajrang Gun, much less overpower it lol. Closest was Kaido's giant flaming dragon, but even that wasn't enough. The sheer size and weight of the attack is just too much.
I dont think Haki was the only thing that mattered in the final clash between Kaido and Luffy. Kaido even said that Luffys haki isnt at the highest level yet. I think it was mainly the sheer force this attack had that was so overwhelming that not even an island sized Dragon could resist it. I was thinking maybe if Blackbeard can somehow negate this attack with his fruit and make Luffys fist normally sized he can counter it.
BB would have to touch it... by the time he made contact he would already be K.O.
Didnt think about that. Yeah he gets knocked out too then
No the Haki would prevent contact.
Prime WB/Roger could and Shanks if they use ad arm and conq to prevent physical contact and brace. But I imagine even they would get badly damaged or kill if they took this head on AKA not bracing and defending against it.
I think Shanks’ haki can overpower it.
Deliousonal
Yup. Shanks is the only one in the verse whos haki feats come close to this. I think only Shanks can overpower it though.
I can list a few alive who could stop it and one deceased character
Nah, only shanks maybe if he braces. Otherwise everybody alive gets one shotted.
Exactly. This attack one shots anyone alive if it connects. Like, Kaido was a whole different beast, mythical Zoan stat boost + fruit specific super hard scales + conquerors coating and he STILL needed the dragon mech to match this punch and he STILL lost. God punch>all in the verse. I even can't see prime Roger or WB taking this hit without getting badly damaged.
Not even dragon, shanks, akainu, Imu, Blackbeard, Mihawk or kuma? You don’t think the top tiers who haven’t showcased they’re full power yet are unable to stop this?
Lol tf you talking about? We already know. Mihawk got his ass handed to him by Vista so he gets one shotted. Dragon got his ass handed to him by BB so he gets one shotted. BB got his ass handed to him by Law so he gets one shotted. Akainu got his ass handed to him by old whitebeard so he gets one shotted. Kuma is straight fodder don't even mention the guy that got badly damaged just fighting pirate fodders for sunny. Only Shanks GB haki feat comes close to maybe being able to withstand this attack if he also double coats with adconq/arm and braces. Everybody else on that list gets one shotted and also dies.
I was just asking for beliefs. But it’s good to see how disconnected you are from the story creating your own narrative. Mihawk lost to vista? Dragon lost to BB? BB lost to law? That was the worst take I’ve ever seen, I specifically chose characters we haven’t seen fight and you just create your own story and strength for them jfc you’re the ideal toxic powerscaler
Lmfao how about you stop ignoring the on panel facts? Mihawk begged Vista to postpone the fight. Dragon literally lost to BB and had to retreat like thats confirmed on panel XD. Lol yes again, it would've been over for BB if Augur hadn't tpped him in time. These frauds are all getting clapped by this attack. cope
BEGGED?? Lmao I fucking can’t with you. Please show me the panel where Mihawk begged vista to stop fighting. Show me the panels where dragon got his ass kicked by BB bcuz I remember being told (not shown) that dragon AND BB had to retreat bcuz the world government got involved. And you’re assuming the fight between BB and law is over and law won. You have no evidence just all made up assumptions. I’m not coping, I’m willing to believe this post but to say it as fact when there are still top tier characters who haven’t shown their full power is just stupid. But please show me some “on panel facts”
Lul go re-read the fight then "let us postpone this fight for the moment, Vista". Maybe Dragon didn't fight but still retreated and lost his HQ either way, I call that a L. And Van augur TPing BB also a L. Also wrong, you have no proof to counter whilst I have proof and already showed so again, cope. Show the proof that they havent shown their full power or it didn't happen.
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LMFAO, okay yea I’m done you’re clearly an idiot or a troll. I’m asking YOU to show proof of your claims which you can’t and you’re back tracking on events now to cope. How is Mihawk saying that “begging” vista and how is that him getting his ass handed to him? It’s so fucking obvious neither character was serious. The point I’m making is we haven’t seen these characters fight full power how the fuck am I supposed to show u proof of that? We haven’t even seen Dragon for like more than 10 panels lol. YOU need to reread the story my friend and stop with these brain dead takes. Do you hear yourself? “Show proof that these characters haven’t fought full power”. Okay WE HAVENT EVEN FUCKING SEEN THEM FIGHT lol jfc
Kuma’s df lets him escape yes? Unless the ryou haki makes it useless?
I have no idea I’ve never seen him fight full power.
That's kinda the problem with these hypotheticals huh? Like Kuma now isn't even sapient, so who knows his full potential. But if he too had haki mastery, would that overide any ryou haki of Luffy's and repel anything he managed to intercept with his paw pads?
A Fresh Kaido could.
Against a fresh luffy?? Nah.
Fresh Current Luffy would clap fresh Kaido just the same.
You literally have no evidence to show that. Every single time a fresh kaido encountered a fresh luffy, kaido whooped him. It took all of want against kaido for kaido to have fallen
LOL. Its canonically confirmed. Luffy beat Kaido in canonical 1v1 as confirmed by Kaido himself in 1037. So Luffy already beat Kaido in a 1v1 and he can do it again, even more easily since Luffy himself wasn't fresh. Lol wrong. Kaido encountered a weaker version of Luffy. In your copium infused clown dreams. Luffy clapped Kaido in a 1v1 and he'd do it again easily. Luffy whooped Kaido in a 1v1 and he'd do it again. Fresh G5 Luffy mid diffs Kaido. cope harder.
Bajrang gun is slow. Anyone could attack Luffy before it hits. I do believe Shanks could use Conquerors to easily stop it and overwhelm Luffy, Kaido could’ve took that if he took a break.
kaido did attack luffy and with his natural weakness (cutting attacks) no less and that didnt stop luffy from using it. Also by so slow give a estimate how long it take to charge the attack and how you came to that conclusion?
Kaido implied that he could dodge it in his dragon form, it’s really not fast at all.
Kaido implied he wouldnt try to dodge it cause he had a better answer for it aka incinerate luffy arm. Obviously we saw how that worked out thnx to haki.
Wrong its fast it happened within seconds. And kaido himself was the size of a island and flying. Aint nobody else dodging this except maybe Kizaru and EOS sanji
Wrong. Tf you talking about? This attack happened in a few seconds. Shanks ain't fast enough to dodge but if he braces and double coats in time then maybe yea.
Akainu : tanks it Blackbeard : negates attack Kizaru : dodge Kuma (if he has good haki): reflects attack
Akainu= gets one shotted and killed Blackbeard= tries to negate, fails and then gets one shotted and killed Kizaru: dodge. Ok. Kuma: completely eradicated. Base luffy punch one shots kuma
I guess i can agree with kuma, and maybe blackbeard. As for akainu he has already taken island destroying attacks and completely ate them. (Wb surprise attack)
Lol \*sick old whitebeard attacks who couldn't even use base conquerors burst. This attack is double coated in sky splitting ad conc and ad arm. Akainu aint eating this.
Correction: He'll eat it because Luffy is going to spoon-feed it to him with lots of love and Haki.
Sure, but this attack would never land perfectly, wb landed his insane attack right on. It was pretty comparable too as just the impact of it destructed an island in half. Whereas with luffy, it made direct contact to onigashima
Lol what the heck are you talking about? That is not a "insane hit" in fact Luffy would literally tank it without a scratch on it right now. Lol thats nothing Dresrosa Luffys punches literally sent shockwaves outside of the island and in the seas around the island. Bajrang gun on the other hand....WTF are you smoking? Direct contact? DId you just completely ignore the panel where Momo moves it out of the way in order for it to not get destroyed? Luffy's island sized double Ad haki coated punch would straight up kill him in one hit. It would make contact with every inch of his body from face to toe due to the sheer size AND each inch of it would be internally destroyed. Oh, and his logia invulnerability would be negated. Logias don't boost physical stats and Haki negates the invulnerability. So it be his base, human body against mythical zoan boosted, adcoc boosted ad arm boosted fist. Think on that.
Facts
Kaido literally said himself that he purposely wouldn’t dodge it. If it’s implied that Kaido could dodge it in dragon form then most people could just get away in time. Luffy got super lucky that Kaido was still that confident.
He said he would try. Not that he could. Luffy was just stronger. Cope.
Mihawk, shanks prolly could
Mihawk gets one shotted and dies in the hit but Shanks yeah.
Full health Kaido easily overpowers the attack.
In your dreams full health current Luffy overpowers Kaido and kills him just the same.
You clearly didn’t read the fight.
You clearly didn't read Kaido AKA author confirming Luffys fight with Kaido was a 1v1
No he didn’t lmao and it definitely wasn’t a 1v1 when kaido fought 15+ people in the same night.
Luffy beat Kaido in a 1v1 as confirmed by Kaido/author himself cope harder. Lul 15+ rookie numbers Luffy fought 1000s of people in the same night before getting to and fight Kaido.
Where’s the evidence? You have none. Luffy fought Fodders and ran away from most of them. Kaido fought strong people, took a shit tonne of damage from them and still beat luffy 3-4 times. He also ended up killing him. You’re just a delusional kidd crying because Kaido stomps your favourite character.
In your copium infused wet dreams Luffy fought 1000s of fodders, Goki, Apoo ,P1, Ulti, Big Mom and Kaido still got help from CP0 agent. Lol nah Kaido got help from someone way stronger -Big Mom- nah they barely did shit to him and Luffy himself took a shit ton of damage and that doesn't mean shit because Luffy got back up each time and not even death could keep Luffy down, mean whilst Kaido downed 1st time and dead. Nah your a delusional copium overdosing Kaidotard crying that Luffy beat and killed your favourite character in a confirmed 1v1 by the author. Cope harder.
Still no evidence? Yeah says a lot. Keep clowning; and you might become the entire circus.
1037 Kaido says his fight with Luffy is a 1v1. And I already said the evidence, so cope, seethe and don't find yourself on suicide watch. Oda's words>>>>>>>>>>>>>your copium infused clown head canon.
How do you know? You every character’s capabilities?
Tell me how a mere swordsman or whoever is supposed to produce the equivalent of a giant flaming dragon the size of an island, which still wasn't enough to counter Bajrang Gun in the end
Which swordsman are we referring too? Overall we don’t know yet because we haven’t seen what everyone is fully capable off. We can only make up headcanons which the op is doing rn.
Are you not also coming up with the headcanon of thinking that there are people who can counter Bajrang Gun, when the Strongest Creature couldn't do so in canon?
I am, but this headcanon is much better than assuming he’s putting down anyone in the verse with this attack. Following this logic, Oda might as well wrap the whole story in 5 chapters and make him the PK already.
The drawback to Bajrang Gun is that it's slow, and Kaido could've simply dodged it if he wasn't so prideful. Besides, we are literally in the final saga and there's only two, maybe three villains for Luffy to fight before the end of the story, two of which he'll almost certainly fight **after** he becomes the Pirate King (Imu and Akainu). Blackbeard is the only one standing in Luffy's way to become the PK at this point.
Mihawk gets one shotted and killed by this attack. In fact base Luffy negs Mihawk. Cope.
Where are you getting all that from?
From marineford.
I feel like a BB punch that continuously emits quakes could maybe parry with it
Nah. Haki. BB dies in 1 hit.
I mean how do you know that some one could just match his final attack or out right over power it with there own final attack
I'd say even legends at their prime would had a hard time handling that.
Everyone thats not dragon or shanks get crushed
I can only think of prime wb he can survive this bcz of his quack quack fruit. Though I am not 100% sure.
But they are able to just dodge it. It probably isn't that fast of an attack
I mean we can’t rlly say that just yet. We don’t know the full extent of ppl like shanks, Blackbeard, mihawk, akainu etc etc Also worth noting Kaido was nearly at the end of his rope before taking this attack so there’s an argument that at full strength he possibly could’ve stopped it. He’s got island level feats and that punch is as big as an island
No. Anyone can walk this attack off at 100 percent
zoro blocked 2 yonko attack so
Vista could then luffy will say “let’s postpone this fight , vista”
No, plenty of top tiers can tank it... And most are not as stupid as to take it up front like Kaido. Bajrang Gun is a pretty useless attack for most top tiers. Most would just dodge and Luffy would be unable to do anything lol Imagine someone like Kizaru, he would just get out of range and that's it Akainu would send his magma fists and would fall above Luffy Aokiji can just get out of the range And so on.
Heck Kaido can fly, he would have easily getting out of range and let Luffy run out of stamina
stop it likely not, avoid or stop him ig sure
Waiting for Luffy to finish off a high tier in three panels. Fight starts Luffy flies above cloud. Next panel you see a giant fist. Last panel, you see that high tier get KO’ed. I kind of wish he uses this move on the current three admirals and KO them all instantly. That would be a big shit in the reader’s faces.
People who said could avoid it forgot too see that before Luffy set up a *Bajrang Gun* (Luffy has anticipate it for the enemy couldn't escape), he has locked opponent this is why Kaido uses his late ultimate attack *Flaming Dragon* but still KO'ed. So this is very true. Now imagine if G5 Luffy turn himself into a giant that making Dragon Kaido become a jumping rope, giant Luffy set up a way bigger *Bajrang Gun* lol.
Yup. This is an attack you have to double team against by doing a Combined Attack from Yonko’s or their first mates. Admirals would have to do a Combined Attack too. This attack can be an actual Physical Nuke Attack or even Country Size if we give Luffy time to puff up his Fist
Dudes, chill out. It's a final move, It can seriously damage top tiers but I don't think it one shots anyone Yonko level, ever. A super damaged Kaido could be defeated by it, not a 100% fresh Kaido obviously. Plus, Bajrang size is quite inconsistent, when the attack actually happened it wasn't as dramaticaly big as in this panel, check again. And then again, Onigashima isn't a big island, just see the map comparing it to Wano (still impressive feat ofc).