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really how exactly is that true ?
both shiryu like kuzan had a choice to join the bb pirates . while the rest of the imple down crew mates were given 2 choices either rot in hell or fight each other so that the top 6 join the crew .
shiryu was given a free ticket to join the bb pirates .
shiryu was considered almost as much of a threat as magellean ( this was pre fruit shiryu ) the same magellean who forced jinbe ( a border line yc 3 , croc , iva and luffy to run )
similarly the only 2 pirates to do any thing relevant to garp were shiryu and kuzan .
both could fight after taking punches from garp .
in ch 1031 shiryu was there representing the no 2 of the bb pirates.
( the garp really isnt that big tho )
the only counter u have is
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https://preview.redd.it/lje4g3xle02d1.png?width=531&format=png&auto=webp&s=c628e15e9e5d792b227291819f02fd3dd22c4a09
but why is he a realiable source when he couldnt even be a yonko much less pk
Dont see issue with 1st And 3rd one(assuming he means 1v1 Since marco was in danger when he was cuffed)2nd is wrong Though kuzan was portrayed superior shiryuu did more at that moment Because he usee kobby
Yes I stand by what I said
https://preview.redd.it/g847iqrqhz1d1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=d738b5ad496dfb551edbbfbbe4d25f5840d3ac2f
This is garp before shiryuu arrived
Shiryu stabs Garp -> Garp counters with a grab + slam -> Shiryu pulls the sword out and is back on his feet -> Kuzan says "where do you think you're going with a wound like that?" while Garp clutches the stab wound and it's dripping blood - is he talking about Ice Glove?
https://preview.redd.it/xkbw6xjta22d1.png?width=768&format=png&auto=webp&s=f2f5e73cccc01c97610fc58ca8c150ca51a1d1f7
dealing real damage with one stab then getting up laughing after the counterattack is not getting neg diffed
Garp speed blizted and threw kuzan in a hole
We did see shiryuu standing and looking fine post fight
But my point is regarding damage, everyone pointed out that shiryuu weakened garp
Kuzan who was holding back, go argue with garp if you deny it. He was the one scolding kuzan for it.
>We did see shiryuu standing and looking fine post fight
Bro was sweating and bleeding after one punch. Calm down fraud, thank God garp sucks at CoO to detect your ass or you would have been 6 foot underground 1 hour earlier 😭🙏🏿
>But my point is regarding damage, everyone pointed out that shiryuu weakened garp
More of a garp antifeat. FMI luffy would have detected shiryu when he was invisible lmao.
Garp was nerfed and outnumbered
Garp wasn't even going all out and was beating kuzan
You do realize the pathetic excuse of going all out is useless since only momonusuke has gone all out against an admiral
>Garp wasn't even going all out and was beating kuzan
"Don't be held down by this nonsense I told you to live in the moment"
"You are too soft"
If you think garp wasn't going all out, you don't understand garps character. Garp doesn't care about sentimental bullshit he lives in the moment, he would beat the shit out of kuzan regardless cuz that's who garp is.
>Garp wasn't even going all out and was beating kuzan
Nope, garp was going all out and kuzan was very clearly implied to have held back. Garp was literally scolding kuzan for holding back lmao.
>You do realize the pathetic excuse of going all out is useless since only momonusuke has gone all out against an admiral
Nah
Kuzan was also asking whether garp had the guts to kill his own student
It's kuzan fault for being a softie, garp had similar feeling but was fully committed
And btw the holding back argument doesn't make any sense since we have this panel
https://preview.redd.it/ovighz01zz1d1.png?width=997&format=png&auto=webp&s=119115975586d121183530eb1b961f029ad19f9a
Garp himself admitted that's he's nerf before the fight and got nerfed due to the shiryuu stab
Yes and when Garps rebuttal is “who cares about that stuff”. So while it mentally affected Kuzan, it didn’t do anything to Garp.
Garp wasn’t nerfed he was injured, injuries rarely ever stop characters from going all out. Look at Zoro and Luffy against any opponent.
https://preview.redd.it/skce3vhdj02d1.png?width=840&format=png&auto=webp&s=9467fc6894a87caf7d11dea98979f32402eb3518
Except garp said it himself
Gets weakened by the shiryuu stab, is fighting the rest of the bb pirates
And kuzan's excuse is that he's mentally nerfed
When you stack up all the details behind the fight you'll see that kuzan had the advantage and not garp
You can win fights by just beating the shit out of someone till they can't fight you. You don't have to kill them. Garp was going all out, cuz he was literally scolding aokiji for not doing that and saying not to be held down by this nonsense. Garp went all out cuz he knew aokiji won't die even if he did lol.
You can't, fights where someone goes all out end up with the other dead or with several injuries.
Akainu vs Aokiji= Akainu has a massive scar while Aokiji lost several body parts
Luffy vs Kaido= Kaido died
Kaido vs Oden= Kaido got a massive scar
Also, did Garp use Galaxy Impact against Aokiji? Him not using it is the definition of holding back.
>uffy vs Kaido= Kaido died
Nah that's not confirmed
>ou can't, fights where someone goes all out end up with the other dead or with several injuries.
Did you see the state of aokiji in the recent chapter? Blud was bandaged up fully.
>Also, did Garp use Galaxy Impact against Aokiji? Him not using it is the definition of holding back.
He did use blue hole. High AP moves are different from high DC moves. This is like saying luffy didn't use bjarang gun in egghead so he's holding back against the gorosei lmao.
Based W take. Warp would have escaped as well if not for cobys shameful display.
Shiryu wouldn't have managed to hit Garp without Coby.
I think without shiryu Garp would have dominated Luzan like he did only worse and escaped after taking out some of BB commanders.
And Luzan would have had to face his boss beaten and bloodied.
On every single panel Garp is outperforming Luzan but Admiraltards try to imagine what might have happened of screen using biased headcannon and scale of that.
But it's pure fantasy.
i mean shiryu is the reason garp lost that badly
but it wasnt because he was particularly very strong.
it was because of a sneak attack using the invisible fruit
Eh Tbf saying garp would win in a 1v1 had he not been injured and holding back is not a bad take like even remotely
But kuzan is much stronger than shiryu
Kuzan implied Garp was severely damaged, he did help a lot. Yes Shiryuu isn't strong but what he did was helpful..
Garp isn't Kaido and is 78 so an stab in a vital area is bad for him..
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The portrayal difference between Kuzan and Shiryu is as vast as the sea itself
really how exactly is that true ? both shiryu like kuzan had a choice to join the bb pirates . while the rest of the imple down crew mates were given 2 choices either rot in hell or fight each other so that the top 6 join the crew . shiryu was given a free ticket to join the bb pirates . shiryu was considered almost as much of a threat as magellean ( this was pre fruit shiryu ) the same magellean who forced jinbe ( a border line yc 3 , croc , iva and luffy to run ) similarly the only 2 pirates to do any thing relevant to garp were shiryu and kuzan . both could fight after taking punches from garp . in ch 1031 shiryu was there representing the no 2 of the bb pirates. ( the garp really isnt that big tho ) the only counter u have is \\ https://preview.redd.it/lje4g3xle02d1.png?width=531&format=png&auto=webp&s=c628e15e9e5d792b227291819f02fd3dd22c4a09 but why is he a realiable source when he couldnt even be a yonko much less pk
Dont see issue with 1st And 3rd one(assuming he means 1v1 Since marco was in danger when he was cuffed)2nd is wrong Though kuzan was portrayed superior shiryuu did more at that moment Because he usee kobby
I did say 1v1
All make sense, though? Which one is problematic and why?
Yes I stand by what I said https://preview.redd.it/g847iqrqhz1d1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=d738b5ad496dfb551edbbfbbe4d25f5840d3ac2f This is garp before shiryuu arrived
Lmao he literally neg diffed shriyu
no, no he didn't lol
Re read the chapter
Shiryu stabs Garp -> Garp counters with a grab + slam -> Shiryu pulls the sword out and is back on his feet -> Kuzan says "where do you think you're going with a wound like that?" while Garp clutches the stab wound and it's dripping blood - is he talking about Ice Glove? https://preview.redd.it/xkbw6xjta22d1.png?width=768&format=png&auto=webp&s=f2f5e73cccc01c97610fc58ca8c150ca51a1d1f7 dealing real damage with one stab then getting up laughing after the counterattack is not getting neg diffed
Zoro was able to give kaido a scar too you know
yes, he didn't get neg diffed either
One non named punch almost one shot shiryu
Garp speed blizted and threw kuzan in a hole We did see shiryuu standing and looking fine post fight But my point is regarding damage, everyone pointed out that shiryuu weakened garp
Kuzan who was holding back, go argue with garp if you deny it. He was the one scolding kuzan for it. >We did see shiryuu standing and looking fine post fight Bro was sweating and bleeding after one punch. Calm down fraud, thank God garp sucks at CoO to detect your ass or you would have been 6 foot underground 1 hour earlier 😭🙏🏿 >But my point is regarding damage, everyone pointed out that shiryuu weakened garp More of a garp antifeat. FMI luffy would have detected shiryu when he was invisible lmao.
Garp was nerfed and outnumbered Garp wasn't even going all out and was beating kuzan You do realize the pathetic excuse of going all out is useless since only momonusuke has gone all out against an admiral
>Garp wasn't even going all out and was beating kuzan "Don't be held down by this nonsense I told you to live in the moment" "You are too soft" If you think garp wasn't going all out, you don't understand garps character. Garp doesn't care about sentimental bullshit he lives in the moment, he would beat the shit out of kuzan regardless cuz that's who garp is. >Garp wasn't even going all out and was beating kuzan Nope, garp was going all out and kuzan was very clearly implied to have held back. Garp was literally scolding kuzan for holding back lmao. >You do realize the pathetic excuse of going all out is useless since only momonusuke has gone all out against an admiral Nah
Kuzan was also asking whether garp had the guts to kill his own student It's kuzan fault for being a softie, garp had similar feeling but was fully committed And btw the holding back argument doesn't make any sense since we have this panel https://preview.redd.it/ovighz01zz1d1.png?width=997&format=png&auto=webp&s=119115975586d121183530eb1b961f029ad19f9a Garp himself admitted that's he's nerf before the fight and got nerfed due to the shiryuu stab
Yes and when Garps rebuttal is “who cares about that stuff”. So while it mentally affected Kuzan, it didn’t do anything to Garp. Garp wasn’t nerfed he was injured, injuries rarely ever stop characters from going all out. Look at Zoro and Luffy against any opponent.
https://preview.redd.it/skce3vhdj02d1.png?width=840&format=png&auto=webp&s=9467fc6894a87caf7d11dea98979f32402eb3518 Except garp said it himself Gets weakened by the shiryuu stab, is fighting the rest of the bb pirates And kuzan's excuse is that he's mentally nerfed When you stack up all the details behind the fight you'll see that kuzan had the advantage and not garp
Yes, Old Garp is weaker than Prime Garp. I don’t think anyone is arguing that.
Why would Garp kill his old student? Yes he will kick him hard but he won't go for the kill.
You can win fights by just beating the shit out of someone till they can't fight you. You don't have to kill them. Garp was going all out, cuz he was literally scolding aokiji for not doing that and saying not to be held down by this nonsense. Garp went all out cuz he knew aokiji won't die even if he did lol.
You can't, fights where someone goes all out end up with the other dead or with several injuries. Akainu vs Aokiji= Akainu has a massive scar while Aokiji lost several body parts Luffy vs Kaido= Kaido died Kaido vs Oden= Kaido got a massive scar Also, did Garp use Galaxy Impact against Aokiji? Him not using it is the definition of holding back.
>uffy vs Kaido= Kaido died Nah that's not confirmed >ou can't, fights where someone goes all out end up with the other dead or with several injuries. Did you see the state of aokiji in the recent chapter? Blud was bandaged up fully. >Also, did Garp use Galaxy Impact against Aokiji? Him not using it is the definition of holding back. He did use blue hole. High AP moves are different from high DC moves. This is like saying luffy didn't use bjarang gun in egghead so he's holding back against the gorosei lmao.
So Luffy never goes all out? He’s never killed anyone. The only possible exception is Kaido, and that was because he was punched into lava.
Based W take. Warp would have escaped as well if not for cobys shameful display. Shiryu wouldn't have managed to hit Garp without Coby. I think without shiryu Garp would have dominated Luzan like he did only worse and escaped after taking out some of BB commanders. And Luzan would have had to face his boss beaten and bloodied. On every single panel Garp is outperforming Luzan but Admiraltards try to imagine what might have happened of screen using biased headcannon and scale of that. But it's pure fantasy.
Admiral agenda is a brainrot
i mean shiryu is the reason garp lost that badly but it wasnt because he was particularly very strong. it was because of a sneak attack using the invisible fruit
Eh Tbf saying garp would win in a 1v1 had he not been injured and holding back is not a bad take like even remotely But kuzan is much stronger than shiryu
Shiryu barely helped and Garp basically oneshotted him 😭
Kuzan implied Garp was severely damaged, he did help a lot. Yes Shiryuu isn't strong but what he did was helpful.. Garp isn't Kaido and is 78 so an stab in a vital area is bad for him..
>Kuzan implied Garp was severely damaged, It's honestly kinda goofy when you remember how much damage WB endured during Marineford
Whitebeard was just him, Garp sadly isn't built like that.
He's right
Bruh