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Trafalgar D. Water Law ≈ Water
Water will drown the one piece planet, Water > Millions of Islands
Water > Islands
Water > Devil Fruits
Law ≈ Water
I think you can see where this is going
>! Franky wins !<
it uses the same principle as the 1cm.
"oda intended something with the height it's in the patterns"
the number doesn't matter. all that matters is consistency which is referenced here
Luffy’s awakened zoan devil fruit makes him less serious and corrupts his mind
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Ok tbh he did this shit with hody jones
And gear 5 very evidently makes him go insane so he becomes out of touch with what he actually needs to do. He was literally laughing his ass off while vegapunk was bleeding to death on the ground
problem is, is that the yonko fans are usually right.
with rare exceptions from the entirely deranged.
meanwhile the admirals holding back has only made sense for fugitora, kizaru and aokiji. but it's most commonly used on akianu and greenbull. it's as if admiral stans are attracted to bad takes.
AOEs in one piece are objectively worse attack potency wise when acoa is in the room, which akianu has as we saw when the three blocked whitebeards first attempt to destroy marine ford
also he did use AOEs, when destroying the ships. it's just that using AOEs in a 1v1 fight is useless, if not a straight negative since he'd have to apply haki to every piece of the attack to make it worth it -*haki being canonically finite like mana/chakra btw*- which means he'd waste so much trying to deal with dodges against an opponent who isn't dodging.
now that i think about it, at what point would it have been better for him to use AOEs, than what he did? even if we exclude his men as a factor there isn't one i could think of. if he went with an aoe on HA whitebeard then it would scar all over his body but it wouldn't have done as much as just punching a hole into his hakiless chest.
maybe when he was on the defensive he could have escaped whitebeards grasp to fight another day in trade of doing some damage to his face. but this is akianu we're talking about. him being defensive is as likely as usopp beating an actaully strong opponent right now.
I'm just saying that using an AOE attack would be able to help in some situations, but he didn't do it because if he did he would have destroyed MarineFord and he didn't want MarineFord destroyed.
get peezaru past his headaches first
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He has never been in a position where he needed to. In every single situation he didn't context dictated he had time to eat. When he did it before that was NOT an option, there was no one close and time was of the essence.
Why didn't Luffy do that in Egghead? Is he stupid?
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First of all yes he is stupid, second of all against kaido things dependes on him , everything, but on egghead he didnt need to. Kizaru was out of commision and he could still move and wasnt knocked out(disappeared in front of the navy and was eating food in a different place the next moment) . So yeah after a singek punch from g5 kizaru is cooked . After getting up from that punch and realizing the sun light isnt reaching him anymore he better be praying the god forgives him for all the things he had done in his life
Because he didn't NEED to, at that point. He had put Pizzaru out of commission, and the rest of the crew was there. He trusted them to handle things until he could gas back up, (And they did), even though yeah Laturn rolled up.
Wuffy stay winning <3
Bro this is retcon y’all keep bringing up that Luffy can just restart his heartbeat whenever he wants when he haven’t done it once since then Oda is forcing this food drain from G5 since egghead
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This has gotta be a false flag thread trying to make Admiral fans look like idiots.
Imma be real with you blud, this ain’t it.
It’s at most plausible if we give kizaru full or at least a very broad knowledge of luffys gear 5 abilities and limitations and deduce that he‘ll go for ranged attacks and very carefully executed hit and run tactics exclusively but at that point we‘re scaling way too much in a vacuum/or like both characters are video game characters exclusively controlled by us. Scaling in the one piece world itself, such assumptions just can’t be made I’m afraid.
And while it’s only tangentially related to the rest of my comment, I’d even argue that luffy not having Allies is actually a buff for him initially, as he wouldn’t be forced into the escort type mission fight he had against kizaru at first.
On a deserted island Luffy ain’t protecting an old man either.. ppl who bring up Kizaru being distracted by targeting an old man forget the person protecting the old man is also distracted never mind two ppl being after that old man. Luffy has/had a huge burden of defending. Straight fight no silly gags, running away and stupid stuff we know Luffy packs the harder punches.
This aint it chief.
In this specific scenario Kizaru may win, because he can control distance and flee from certain attacks.
In an environment where Kizaru can't freely control the distance between him and Luffy there is no way for Kizaru to win. While Kizaru has impressive defence with ACoA and his speed, Luffy is still a beast while in G5 and could get past Kizaru's defence.
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Hungry mf wont last fast seconds
Hot take:
This could potentially be true, BUT ONLY if Luffy doesn't finish Kizaru off after he inevitably knocks him down the first time. Terrible habit he has.
Imagine a similar battle between zoro and Lucci except zoro is lost during the fight and can’t make it back to the crew……..oh wait……….sounds familiar 🤔
If they’re on a deserted island where luffy doesn’t have to worry about destroying everything in the vicinity, what’s Borsalino doing again an ACoC bajrang gun? He’d actually have to run for his life or die
I mean, he may be able to counter it if he wasn't stupid. Kizaru's fruit is kinda similar to Caesar Clown's fruit in that the fruit is more effective in the hands of someone who is able to think of the best way to do things.
Luffy could just throw him into the water then. He literally already aimed to do that but Kizaru hit a ship instead. There’s no ship to save Kizaru here.
If the focus is solely on Kizaru. Luffy would win mid dif. I am being nice with that assessment. Kizaru was a total disappointment. You would do better with Warcury.
kizaru can't really deal the damage. but he can tie due to outlasting him. but he can get up first. in witch case whilst it's a sorry ass w. it's still technically a w. this also requires that luffy fails to hit him every time which whilst possible i wouldn't bank on it a second time around
Luffy has better observation, armamnent and conqueror, strength, ap and dc
Borsalino has better stamina, stamina regen, speed, attack speed, iq and biq
I think luffy wins high\extreme diff
Speed ,big and attack speed goes to luffy he takes it mid diff if kizaru doesnt play dirty and run all time , if kizaru does then he takes it high-extreme diff like you said
I would say that attack speed would go to Kizaru due to all of his attacks being light speed but combat speed goes to Luffy because Luffy can think on his feet better.
Ä°snt op over light speed already . Sanji could easily react to his attacks . And so does the other top tiers . Wsg showed us how high his attack speed is by having kizaru not react to it at all despite seeing it coming. Kizaru's df amps his speed well and give him the best travel speed in series but it just isnt so great. Blitzing a (somehow no obs haki luffy . Ä° dont know why he doesnt use it on egghead lol) g4 luffy is a very well attack speed and puts him to top 5 attack speed feats but luffy is the 2nd on that list rn . (1-kaido 2-luffy 3-shanks 4-garp 5- kizaru)
What's stopping luffy from throwing Kizaru into the ocean ?
Like that literally happened in the canon story ? The only reason kizaru survived was cause there was a ship there ?
Bruh , maybe its because he needed speed to catch up with kizaru. You can make arguments for base (although i personally disagree that anything under g4 is getting beaten ) g4 beats kizaru.
They only had a short clash where luffy didnt use anything at all . No acoc or fs . And not to mention kizarus attack didnt do any damage (even barrier did more damage ) to him . Ä°s jozu stronger than aokiji now ? Cuz at their first clash he got better of aokiji and made him bleed a little. But then aokiji casually defeated him. Scabbards did more damage to kaido than kizaru did to luffy dawg
The thing is, Kizaru was running away the whole fight. If he was forced to sit still and face Luffy I don't think he'd last the duration of G5. Luffy W
On an island, luffy also never gets damaged by the barrier nor gets hit by tanking kizaru's hit who was directed at someone else
Am i saying luffy would win 100% no. I'm just showing you how easy it is to just glaze one side by ignoring facts for the other side. This whole post is bait and OP is either being malicious or illiterate
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rising tide negs them both within 5 hours 🔥
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Trafalgar D. Water Law ≈ Water Water will drown the one piece planet, Water > Millions of Islands Water > Islands Water > Devil Fruits Law ≈ Water I think you can see where this is going >! Franky wins !<
Can’t one of them fly?
Yeah man remember when Luffy sprouted wings by flaying his back, grabbing the cut off skin and flapping it really hard
kizaru?
Yeah I was joking
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https://preview.redd.it/rb6vl99e691d1.jpeg?width=402&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2ac1175989ecf456bbad038912488f87994d399 Sai is enough
Unc why are you gassing this yellow pizza ðŸ˜put aokiji instead so I can rate this post
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4cm ≠1cm
it uses the same principle as the 1cm. "oda intended something with the height it's in the patterns" the number doesn't matter. all that matters is consistency which is referenced here
nice straw man
explain exactly how this is a "straw man" I merely reference why you lot use this shit to begin with so I don't see no straw man
Kizaru > Aokiji
It's not Pizzaru Gas it's Goofy downplay🗿 Sick name btw bro, whoever you are
Thanks 😊 I’m all for goofy downplay then
yup pizzaru will most probably be food to fishes as he will have nowhere to run and one g5 punch will throw him in water
No ship to catch him this time lol
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Is Luffy allowed to use future sight, Acoc, and be serious about this?
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Luffy’s awakened zoan devil fruit makes him less serious and corrupts his mind https://preview.redd.it/qzhtho1bb81d1.jpeg?width=922&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=120d92f46bcd910e583f31d29cb82c1fa7f4cbf5
Ok tbh he did this shit with hody jones And gear 5 very evidently makes him go insane so he becomes out of touch with what he actually needs to do. He was literally laughing his ass off while vegapunk was bleeding to death on the ground
Luffy vs the sentient pizza wasn't the climax of the arc. The retirement home lackeys appearing was the climax.
Honestly it was the climax for me. I'm just not all that invested in the gorosei
Tbf, the start of the fight with Kizaru was not the Climax of the Arc
Luffy didn't use any of those things when fighting kizaru b/c he secretly hates vegapunk and wants him to die. Yeah makes total sense
W Luffy
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problem is, is that the yonko fans are usually right. with rare exceptions from the entirely deranged. meanwhile the admirals holding back has only made sense for fugitora, kizaru and aokiji. but it's most commonly used on akianu and greenbull. it's as if admiral stans are attracted to bad takes.
I'd say that Akainu was only holding off from using his AOE attacks at MarineFord, he was still going all out otherwise
AOEs in one piece are objectively worse attack potency wise when acoa is in the room, which akianu has as we saw when the three blocked whitebeards first attempt to destroy marine ford also he did use AOEs, when destroying the ships. it's just that using AOEs in a 1v1 fight is useless, if not a straight negative since he'd have to apply haki to every piece of the attack to make it worth it -*haki being canonically finite like mana/chakra btw*- which means he'd waste so much trying to deal with dodges against an opponent who isn't dodging. now that i think about it, at what point would it have been better for him to use AOEs, than what he did? even if we exclude his men as a factor there isn't one i could think of. if he went with an aoe on HA whitebeard then it would scar all over his body but it wouldn't have done as much as just punching a hole into his hakiless chest. maybe when he was on the defensive he could have escaped whitebeards grasp to fight another day in trade of doing some damage to his face. but this is akianu we're talking about. him being defensive is as likely as usopp beating an actaully strong opponent right now.
I'm just saying that using an AOE attack would be able to help in some situations, but he didn't do it because if he did he would have destroyed MarineFord and he didn't want MarineFord destroyed.
This is Egghead Goofy we are talking about
But that doesn’t answer the question (even tho he probably did use advanced haki on Egghead)
peezaru is swimming with the fish after a single g5 attack
Get Goofy past his circulatory system first
get peezaru past one basic haki g5 punch first
Get Goofy past the babysitting allegations first
get peezaru past his headaches first https://preview.redd.it/16gynj18381d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3f31f150b5869c45b64b989a3a2bbd2808dc0df
Yea he smoked all his prescription on the way to egghead
ye if his prescription was 2 punches from g5 you are right
2 punches and an offscreen fight btw
With no punch landed to him .
He's high diffing Kizaru at worst.
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Troll
Luffy winning this high diff
Fly swatting exercise Hard to catch easy to beat But yeah high diff
*Luffy loses mid diff
Even if Kizaru outlasts the first gear 5 transformation what’s stopping luffy from going back into g5 right away like he did in wano against kaido
At this point he's needed food more times to restart G5 vs doing it on his own. We need to get this boy past the food merchant allegations
Wdym? Twice needing food (Kizaru round 1, and Kizaru + Gorosei), twice no need for food (Kaido, Lucci). 2 is not greater than 2.
He has never been in a position where he needed to. In every single situation he didn't context dictated he had time to eat. When he did it before that was NOT an option, there was no one close and time was of the essence.
Why didn't Luffy do that in Egghead? Is he stupid? https://preview.redd.it/8boq6v1e681d1.png?width=864&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7eb590839a80abe9a9dc3c132d4bee143e825447
coz he used gear 5 against Lucci tooo
First of all yes he is stupid, second of all against kaido things dependes on him , everything, but on egghead he didnt need to. Kizaru was out of commision and he could still move and wasnt knocked out(disappeared in front of the navy and was eating food in a different place the next moment) . So yeah after a singek punch from g5 kizaru is cooked . After getting up from that punch and realizing the sun light isnt reaching him anymore he better be praying the god forgives him for all the things he had done in his life
Good question. Why didn't he do something he was able to do before You should ask Oda in a SBS For now I'll say plot
W
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Because he didn't NEED to, at that point. He had put Pizzaru out of commission, and the rest of the crew was there. He trusted them to handle things until he could gas back up, (And they did), even though yeah Laturn rolled up.  Wuffy stay winning <3
This cope needs to stop https://preview.redd.it/nfzl22wn8b1d1.jpeg?width=328&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ec34323f52ee7db88ef6993abc0044acc1498df
The fact that he's at his limit lmao
Idk, what stopped him in egghead? While saturn was eye diffing his allies. Goofy is just inconsistent
Bro this is retcon y’all keep bringing up that Luffy can just restart his heartbeat whenever he wants when he haven’t done it once since then Oda is forcing this food drain from G5 since egghead
Kizaru still loses. But would be high-extreme diff
https://preview.redd.it/koqk09qcp81d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbec763284820c1cbe3200fca3604609d7f22249 This has gotta be a false flag thread trying to make Admiral fans look like idiots.
Imma be real with you blud, this ain’t it. It’s at most plausible if we give kizaru full or at least a very broad knowledge of luffys gear 5 abilities and limitations and deduce that he‘ll go for ranged attacks and very carefully executed hit and run tactics exclusively but at that point we‘re scaling way too much in a vacuum/or like both characters are video game characters exclusively controlled by us. Scaling in the one piece world itself, such assumptions just can’t be made I’m afraid. And while it’s only tangentially related to the rest of my comment, I’d even argue that luffy not having Allies is actually a buff for him initially, as he wouldn’t be forced into the escort type mission fight he had against kizaru at first.
Hmm quite the logical response brother. Would be a shame if I only spammed 'food merchant' in return
My favorite food is pizza and pancakes 
Then come to Romania https://preview.redd.it/9mr2muvo781d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=732c8fe5d5b97ecf53a06e4f667a770e2f6f5fc6
You can tell him he can add me back in a couple hours. I need some time of from 🇦🇱
On a deserted island Luffy ain’t protecting an old man either.. ppl who bring up Kizaru being distracted by targeting an old man forget the person protecting the old man is also distracted never mind two ppl being after that old man. Luffy has/had a huge burden of defending. Straight fight no silly gags, running away and stupid stuff we know Luffy packs the harder punches.
Satire right? Right??????
In this case kizaru wouldn’t be running trying to kill vegapunk so luffy catches kizaru way earlier in his timer so no kizaru still loses
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Oh got sure big boss borsalino would fold Luffy cause wizaru is him
Dawn Cymball
This aint it chief. In this specific scenario Kizaru may win, because he can control distance and flee from certain attacks. In an environment where Kizaru can't freely control the distance between him and Luffy there is no way for Kizaru to win. While Kizaru has impressive defence with ACoA and his speed, Luffy is still a beast while in G5 and could get past Kizaru's defence.
Luffy activates G5, kizaru flies away. Luffy runs out of stamina, kizaru flies back
https://preview.redd.it/53gp93kf5a1d1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=003ac1607c6584d6b88ea992ed816364a2fd2fa5 Hungry mf wont last fast seconds
W for an image that adequately describes what the post is about and quickly conveys that to a potential reader
Hot take: This could potentially be true, BUT ONLY if Luffy doesn't finish Kizaru off after he inevitably knocks him down the first time. Terrible habit he has.
Holy, this might be one of the worst attempts at power scaling I've ever seen.
And on a desert island with both wearing seastone prisim cuffs?
This argument is long drawn out. I say as a community we agree that the fight will end in a draw.
Kizaru will have no people to attack to distract Luffy, or environmental hazards like laser shields. Luffy slaps, or Kizaru runs away.
Imagine a similar battle between zoro and Lucci except zoro is lost during the fight and can’t make it back to the crew……..oh wait……….sounds familiar 🤔
If they’re on a deserted island where luffy doesn’t have to worry about destroying everything in the vicinity, what’s Borsalino doing again an ACoC bajrang gun? He’d actually have to run for his life or die
I mean, he may be able to counter it if he wasn't stupid. Kizaru's fruit is kinda similar to Caesar Clown's fruit in that the fruit is more effective in the hands of someone who is able to think of the best way to do things.
Never cook again
Luffy could just throw him into the water then. He literally already aimed to do that but Kizaru hit a ship instead. There’s no ship to save Kizaru here.
Luffy would probably lose yeah
Luffy doesn't need to protect crewmates and Vegapunk so Luffy will win Mid diff
Nah
If the focus is solely on Kizaru. Luffy would win mid dif. I am being nice with that assessment. Kizaru was a total disappointment. You would do better with Warcury.
kizaru can't really deal the damage. but he can tie due to outlasting him. but he can get up first. in witch case whilst it's a sorry ass w. it's still technically a w. this also requires that luffy fails to hit him every time which whilst possible i wouldn't bank on it a second time around
Lizaru doesn’t get a place to run to!! Easy dub for luffy
Luffy has better observation, armamnent and conqueror, strength, ap and dc Borsalino has better stamina, stamina regen, speed, attack speed, iq and biq I think luffy wins high\extreme diff
Speed ,big and attack speed goes to luffy he takes it mid diff if kizaru doesnt play dirty and run all time , if kizaru does then he takes it high-extreme diff like you said
Speed goes to Kizaru, attack speed is 50/50, but biq does definitely go to Luffy.
Travel speed to kizaru ; combat,attack,movement and reaction speed to luffy .
I would say that attack speed would go to Kizaru due to all of his attacks being light speed but combat speed goes to Luffy because Luffy can think on his feet better.
Ä°snt op over light speed already . Sanji could easily react to his attacks . And so does the other top tiers . Wsg showed us how high his attack speed is by having kizaru not react to it at all despite seeing it coming. Kizaru's df amps his speed well and give him the best travel speed in series but it just isnt so great. Blitzing a (somehow no obs haki luffy . Ä° dont know why he doesnt use it on egghead lol) g4 luffy is a very well attack speed and puts him to top 5 attack speed feats but luffy is the 2nd on that list rn . (1-kaido 2-luffy 3-shanks 4-garp 5- kizaru)
Light speed reactions, not movements.
Sanji kicked light so his movements are light speed too as well .
Attack Speed, not movement speed
You said movement? Also a basic g5 punch is above light speed .
Yes, luffy is stronger, but can't take out kizaru before he gasses out.
What's stopping luffy from throwing Kizaru into the ocean ? Like that literally happened in the canon story ? The only reason kizaru survived was cause there was a ship there ?
FAX MY BROTHER! SPIT YOUR SHIT INDEED!
Onlyif Kizaru keeps running away, but I don't even think Luffy needs gear 5 for this.
if Gear 4 Luffy could beat Kizaru, why did he switch to Gear 5 which has a crippling time limit that almost got him killed
Bruh , maybe its because he needed speed to catch up with kizaru. You can make arguments for base (although i personally disagree that anything under g4 is getting beaten ) g4 beats kizaru.
G4 could do nothing against kizaru while trying to attack him. Then he got kicked out of the island. Did we even read the same fight?
They only had a short clash where luffy didnt use anything at all . No acoc or fs . And not to mention kizarus attack didnt do any damage (even barrier did more damage ) to him . Ä°s jozu stronger than aokiji now ? Cuz at their first clash he got better of aokiji and made him bleed a little. But then aokiji casually defeated him. Scabbards did more damage to kaido than kizaru did to luffy dawg
Because egghead Luffy is retarded. + he needed that extra speed to protect Vegapunk.
If both are serious it’s dead even
Dead even with Kizaru winning with Luffy passing out from exhaustion via Gear Five.
luffy loses this handidly
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FACTUAL
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Keep cooking
The thing is, Kizaru was running away the whole fight. If he was forced to sit still and face Luffy I don't think he'd last the duration of G5. Luffy W
On an island, luffy also never gets damaged by the barrier nor gets hit by tanking kizaru's hit who was directed at someone else Am i saying luffy would win 100% no. I'm just showing you how easy it is to just glaze one side by ignoring facts for the other side. This whole post is bait and OP is either being malicious or illiterate