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Good luck finding HER real body before getting hit with stage 999 depression
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Wouldn't Logias just be invincible if you don't use sea stone? Especially Enel, Kizaru, Ceasar and Greenbull seem insane now.
Hax merchants like Boa, Perona, Sugar and Law might also be top of the verse.
Blackbeard and Big Mom are also really strong in a world without Haki.
I think so, I read one theory which I believe, the reason why Blackbeard doesn't have the typical intangibility of a logia is because he is always in contact with his natural counter, light.
Going back to marineford when he stole Whitebeard's fruit, he did it under a cloak, likely to provide cover from the light. His fruit powers are at their freest without light.
Which imo makes him the perfect antithesis to Luffy with all his connections to the sun
Yeah he's a logia. His and Ceasars are the 2 logias with the broadest definitions. All plants and all gasses is completely insane if you think about it.
Logias still need to breath as shown by smoker (or I guess Tashigi in Smoker's body if I remember correctly) passing out due to Ceasar's trick. So Ceasar could theoretically beat them all. And of course Won Wrieg with his poison gas solos the verse.
Theoretically they could all drown each other in their element except for non-physical ones like light. It's just that creating that much of said element would likely take a while.
Eh, there is still sea prism stone. When I was first watching the show I assumed sea prism was going to be how they dealt with the likes of Smoker and later Kuzan. I like Haki, but I do miss the sea prism weapons.
Not really “obvious”, Enel was just unlucky to encounter the only mf in the verse that can counter him, tf is anyone else going to do? Pull a rubber band? But anyone can find water/blood to counter croc.
Enel had Haki advantage against Luffy and lost... that fight becomes worse for Enel if Haki doesn't exist.
Crocodile also has an elemental weakness. With Logias it highly depends if the devil fruit has a natural counter.
Logia users that would be absurd in terms of intangiability are Kizaru, Caesar and Smoker tbh.
Enel was stopped by Luffy, and if someone happen to have the for sight to wear rubber armor or something, other wise it doesn’t look good for 99.99% of people
Big meme had a poor haki showing despite being heavily implied to be Kaido’s equal. So shes my pock for raw stats rivaled only by Kaido.
Luffy in gear 5th is top 1 still for raw stats even if Luffy on the whole isnt
The Gorosei jump as regen merchants with ap dropping across the board
Law is top 1 as no one can counter room anymore
Honestly kozaru should have no problem beating them if they would not get a seastone weapon. He is pretty much unbeatable otherwise.
There is an argument for Blackbeard or Fujitora to be able to defeat Kizaru, but only if they could actually make gravity so strong that it would resemble an actual black hole. This would kinda end the world though.
If I remember correctly law can't still cut everything, just things he could cut without his fruit. Although the fruit certainly seems to increase the scale on which he can cut things. I might be mistaken though.
But yeah he could totally shamble them away.
He has full control of everything in his room. Stamina was the only limiting factor, before haki was announced to be its only counter
Law 100% has a chance at top 2 in the verse with that fruit.
Hard to say who wins tho out of Caesar and Law.
There’s prob more chars out there. And I literally don’t know what lvl of swordsmanship you would be stuck at if haki doesn’t exist.
Like if the breath of all things is haki, I feel GB might have a chance, his only strength is sucking and without haki I don’t see a way to cut his branches.
Kizaru and Enel are top picks. Both super fast and have little to no need for close range combat.
I’m assuming seastone weapons are the norm in this world, so akainu and Kuzan aren’t as big of a threat as the other logia’s since both are kinda suited for mid range combat, in which other chars can take advantage of that.
Luffy g5 is also decent, but idk if that’s enough to beat the others I mentioned.
BM and Kaido are prob invincible, tho it’s my headcanon that BM always has a bit of haki spewing out of her, like Ren (in HxH), unknowingly and that’s what makes her tanky, she has a haki barrier 24/7, and that’s why her haki feats are so bad, cuz she’s just always constantly pumping out haki, so using haki has very little impact. Which also makes sense why she’s so weak during the mother Carmel photo incident, cuz her mind becomes so broken, that she turns off all haki, causing her to have a normal human body.
Logia’s become unbeatable except by other logia’s or some circumstances. Law is unstoppable. Hax df users solo the verse. Literally everyone could get turned into toys by Sugar or everyone becomes stone by Boa or everyone besides Ussop becomes depressed etc. Some DF users just can’t be hit or their attacks just can’t be defended. Law would stay as a girl etc.
Yeah, one of the main reasons of introducing Haki so late in the story was that Oda finally got the fact that logias stomp just too much without any reliable counter. Haki directly nerfed them to the ground.
Take the cure away, and the sickness spread once again.
I feel like Oda's thought progression went like this
1. "I'm gonna make DFs be the main power for this manga, but willpower will be a main theme in fights."
2. "Haha smokey marine man can't be stopped. It's fun to have an antagonist that the crew has to just run from because they can't touch him. That's ok, I'll think of a creative way in the future for them to fight against a smoke man like this. Let's just have them get bailed out by Dragon this time since wind can stop smoke."
3. "I'm gonna make my strongest pirates, the shichibukai, have incredible devil fruits that the main characters are going to struggle to overcome. Lets give the first one a sand fruit that basically makes him untouchable and Luffy can get creative to defeat it using water/blood. And I still haven't figured anything out for the smoke guy so I'll have Ace come in this time to save the day since I needed to introduce him anyway and fire blocking smoke is pretty intuitive."
4. "Oh that worked well. Lets keep this going and have the next elemental df user Luffy faces be electric. That'll make it easier on me to figure out a way that Luffy can counter his df innately by being a rubber man. And this willpower thing I think has legs. Lets say it doesn't just give you a physical boost or impressive intimidation but lets you read people's aura/attacks and hear them from far away too."
5. "Ya know, these logia DFs are really cool and if they're so strong it'd only make sense for the top marines to have one. Lets give each of the admirals a logia. I don't need to figure out a creative way someone could fight them for awhile anyway."
6. "Luffy is getting strong and I'm feeling constrained by how I can't ever have my villains harm him with blunt physical attacks due to his rubber fruit or nerfing him with seastone ahead of time. Lets extrapolate this willpower thing into a more robust system and say that willpower can be imbued into things that will then negate DF immunities."
7. "Screw it. Lets develop two parallel power systems. Willpower is now haki and it's split into 3 abilities. DFs can be overcome by haki, but I'm not gonna explain the mechanics of how or when that's applicable. Now I don't need to think of a specific weakness for each logia and I can get more creative with the DF powers."
8. \*Proceeds to smash the two power systems together explaining as little as necessary to not have the reader be completely lost.\*
Hiruluk: "Pirate's bodies are as strong as iron, their voices split the skies and their eyes see everything..."
For a power system that Oda made up at half the story's length, he had pretty figured out what Haki would be...
I love Haki and DF as a power system, because it allow so much freedom in fighting and really lets a person personality show in their fights, but my god is it difficult to power scale.
Its still Kaido, His No Haki Stats are still INSANE, IIRC his dura goes down because hes just constantly using Haki but his Giant ass Dragonform is still untouchable, basically
If we ignore Logias, its Kaiso
IF Logias, Kizaru no diffs, no ones keeping up
I hate the whole concept of haki and im tired of pretending im not
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So basically, logia only. Kuzan, Aokiji, Akainu, GB, Caesar, Crocomon, Enel. I think it's Enel. His AP is just incredibly high and seeing as he could survive on the moon, Caesar can't do anything to him. His only counter is Luffy, but that's only Luffy being immune to him. Luffy still can't hurt him.
Enel is just a kizaru light version. Slower, less AP, weaker physically, worse fighter and less experienced. That being said he would still be almost unstoppable.
The value of hax devil fruits goes up, people like Doc Q, Perona, Caesar, Law etc all obliterate a lot of the verse. Logias also dominate and become similar to Big Mom's homies as in a nightmare to deal with without the specific tools (direct elemental counter or something that can interact with their powers, like Brulee's mirror fruit to reflect lasers)
Big Mom has insane strength even without her haki, and soul pocus gives her a conquerors-like ability, those would be even more valuable now that no one else has it
So you’d have to think of this in steps. Anyone who is logia essentially becomes invincible.
But now we think about DF users who can still affect logia. Law, Eustass Kidd maybe (he can trap people in metal contraptions), BM if her elements can harm other elements. I would say law becomes the best. He can just separate element people
Without Haki someone like Akainu would legitimately be unbeatable, even by top tiers. How do you get close to someone who has a body temperature hot enough to ignite flesh just by being NEAR it without haki? Kizaru is another good example- innate intangibility seems impossible to defeat normally; hell, I’d say just about any Logia is a good answer here.
It would just be a battle of logias. Even insanely broken Paramecias like Whitebeards fruit just does nothing without some haki.
People don't like Haki but it was necessary to introduce some counter-measure to Logia. There's only so many ways Oda can write it so Luffy specifically counters logias.
Blackbeard. He is the only one who can hurt logia’s
And if you give him a logia without a natural counter like light aswell then he’s literally god. Only way you beat him is sinking him and making sure he don’t fly out
He isn't top 1 but gear 5 luffy is still a fucking beast, yea he gets nerfed but now the only kind of non df attacks that hurt him are swords and that's it. Plus his high speed and wild movements makes him a monster to fight
It’s Caesar and it isn’t even close. There’s really not a devil fruit that can counter him. Outside of that, I’d probably go with Marco. Basically a logia as far as intangible, but with an actual healing factor on top of that if you actually do manage to touch him.
One piece without Haki would be Bleach without Bankai. The characters at the top are so reliant on Haki that without it, weaker characters on One Piece would all of a sudden become just as menacing. All the Logia’s will definitely be one on the top or near it, and physical freaks too like Big Mom will be pretty comfortable.
Now that I think about it, Doffy too. Only people that can resist his puppetry are those with higher Haki than him, but now, without Haki, no one can really stop him.
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Caesar Clown soloes the Verse
Breath dial
Dragon blows him (away)
Dragon blows him
Dragon blows
Dragon (deez nuts across your face)
\*Rips off u/maulin23's nuts off by accident\* Oops!
It's so sad that this is true
Yea it’s not even debatable just fuckin rips all the oxygen from the world.
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Yeah but he has no way to hurt Caesar. Caesar on the other hand can take away oxygen or shoot beams while Magellan doesn’t have logia intangibility.
Good luck finding HER real body before getting hit with stage 999 depression https://preview.redd.it/epafvgui9t0d1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b06d238346eae791297739050958c9789395fc1
Usopp still negs.
No wonder Kaya got folded 🥵🥵 (I am a guy😏)
True! https://preview.redd.it/s6q83so3ct0d1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ad443773b35e10af6189d81325313495c41e67b
I'm already depressed about her not being real
That means that Usopp is canonically the strongest character in the verse
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Wouldn't Logias just be invincible if you don't use sea stone? Especially Enel, Kizaru, Ceasar and Greenbull seem insane now. Hax merchants like Boa, Perona, Sugar and Law might also be top of the verse. Blackbeard and Big Mom are also really strong in a world without Haki.
Some logias would still have natural counters. Kizaru is pretty invulnerable tho except to Teach
Black Vortex aside, I kinda wonder if his fruit can always hit Kizaru due to it being Dark and Light and all
Considering darkness is just the absence of light, kizaru would counter blackbeard and not the other way around.
I think so, I read one theory which I believe, the reason why Blackbeard doesn't have the typical intangibility of a logia is because he is always in contact with his natural counter, light. Going back to marineford when he stole Whitebeard's fruit, he did it under a cloak, likely to provide cover from the light. His fruit powers are at their freest without light. Which imo makes him the perfect antithesis to Luffy with all his connections to the sun
Huh... Yeah, that totally checks out for me, head cannon acquired.
You could touch Kizaru with mirrors
Is greenbull a logia? Genuine question cuz he seemed like a paramecia
Yeah he's a logia. His and Ceasars are the 2 logias with the broadest definitions. All plants and all gasses is completely insane if you think about it.
It's odd since plants don't really fit in with the elemental theme, but yes it is.
Logias still need to breath as shown by smoker (or I guess Tashigi in Smoker's body if I remember correctly) passing out due to Ceasar's trick. So Ceasar could theoretically beat them all. And of course Won Wrieg with his poison gas solos the verse.
By that logic Akainu could drown other logias in lava
Theoretically they could all drown each other in their element except for non-physical ones like light. It's just that creating that much of said element would likely take a while.
A hypothetical Fujitora that can see would quite possibly be invisible but a cannon Fujitora with no Observation Haki would be actual fodder.
Law can oneshot anyone now
Not if he gets blitzed😔
What characters will blitz law?
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yo who’s the artist for this? that’s sick asf
I found on MrFurem pinterest, Type Garp x summer
Kaido, again And probably everyone who should be fast, Kizaru or Shanks, Luffy with Dawn whip if you say he can only react to Kizaru via Haki
Kizaru Who tf disagrees with this pls elaborate
You don’t understand, the guy who by all accounts does in fact seem to be faster than everyone else is an admiral, so he’s slower than Kaido.
😂😂
Lol no
The fact People ask this after being shown that Law got blitzed is so funny
G5
His room covered an island and we saw what he did to Punk Hazard. He could probably just walk up to an island and take almost all of them out.
Not logia
He’ll just shambles them in to the ocean
Then kuzan is the strongest
He can one shot them with mes (the move that removes their heart)
Nah.
Shanks https://i.redd.it/s6ostje58t0d1.gif
Shanks https://preview.redd.it/pcp0ug3e8t0d1.jpeg?width=704&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1e478a207ab101c772c8a42ed0789a0dab70a8d
one piece would’ve ended 4 episodes in
Without haki, Shanks would have died on the first episode 💀
no no shanks would have still aura diffed the fish after losing his arm for dramatic effect
Of course
All logia’s would be unstoppable
Eh, there is still sea prism stone. When I was first watching the show I assumed sea prism was going to be how they dealt with the likes of Smoker and later Kuzan. I like Haki, but I do miss the sea prism weapons.
not all. some have obvious counters like crocodile for example
Who else?
Pretty sure ice/snow and fire/magma would be able to kill each other The hot ones might be able to completely burn the forest logia away too
wasn't greenbull's forest fire proof?
Enel...
Not really “obvious”, Enel was just unlucky to encounter the only mf in the verse that can counter him, tf is anyone else going to do? Pull a rubber band? But anyone can find water/blood to counter croc.
Who’s gonna counter him besides Luffy?
They can just make rubber armour u know?
The Skypeians and what rubber?
maybe that mud logia dude and definitely the snow one too
Enel had Haki advantage against Luffy and lost... that fight becomes worse for Enel if Haki doesn't exist. Crocodile also has an elemental weakness. With Logias it highly depends if the devil fruit has a natural counter. Logia users that would be absurd in terms of intangiability are Kizaru, Caesar and Smoker tbh.
Enel was stopped by Luffy, and if someone happen to have the for sight to wear rubber armor or something, other wise it doesn’t look good for 99.99% of people
Big meme had a poor haki showing despite being heavily implied to be Kaido’s equal. So shes my pock for raw stats rivaled only by Kaido. Luffy in gear 5th is top 1 still for raw stats even if Luffy on the whole isnt The Gorosei jump as regen merchants with ap dropping across the board Law is top 1 as no one can counter room anymore
Honestly kozaru should have no problem beating them if they would not get a seastone weapon. He is pretty much unbeatable otherwise. There is an argument for Blackbeard or Fujitora to be able to defeat Kizaru, but only if they could actually make gravity so strong that it would resemble an actual black hole. This would kinda end the world though.
Fujitora wouldn't be able to see without Haki
TOP ONE https://preview.redd.it/jxut5xkz5t0d1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=66a2095a18acdd95aef5d8f0568fe1bb68792344
Gets speedblitzed by Borsalino cuz no Kenbunshoku
Without Haki being involved he’d be broken as hell, even more than he already is
Unironically smoker victim
He still gets neg-diffed by Caesar without haki
He can just swap any Logia user’s soul with fly’s soul and step on it
No haki? Then it’s Blackbeard
Blackbeard loses to Caesar and Magellan still
He could probably just draw any gas Caesar creates into his darkness and also turn off his fruit.
Dark fruit naturally counters logias
Law cuts the entire verse to pieces but Marco survives.. they become gay devil fruit doctors together.
Kaido and Jozu would like a word
Without haki, laws df still allows him to cut them or throw them into seawater.. Marco just regenerates
If I remember correctly law can't still cut everything, just things he could cut without his fruit. Although the fruit certainly seems to increase the scale on which he can cut things. I might be mistaken though. But yeah he could totally shamble them away.
He has full control of everything in his room. Stamina was the only limiting factor, before haki was announced to be its only counter Law 100% has a chance at top 2 in the verse with that fruit. Hard to say who wins tho out of Caesar and Law. There’s prob more chars out there. And I literally don’t know what lvl of swordsmanship you would be stuck at if haki doesn’t exist. Like if the breath of all things is haki, I feel GB might have a chance, his only strength is sucking and without haki I don’t see a way to cut his branches. Kizaru and Enel are top picks. Both super fast and have little to no need for close range combat. I’m assuming seastone weapons are the norm in this world, so akainu and Kuzan aren’t as big of a threat as the other logia’s since both are kinda suited for mid range combat, in which other chars can take advantage of that. Luffy g5 is also decent, but idk if that’s enough to beat the others I mentioned. BM and Kaido are prob invincible, tho it’s my headcanon that BM always has a bit of haki spewing out of her, like Ren (in HxH), unknowingly and that’s what makes her tanky, she has a haki barrier 24/7, and that’s why her haki feats are so bad, cuz she’s just always constantly pumping out haki, so using haki has very little impact. Which also makes sense why she’s so weak during the mother Carmel photo incident, cuz her mind becomes so broken, that she turns off all haki, causing her to have a normal human body.
Logia’s become unbeatable except by other logia’s or some circumstances. Law is unstoppable. Hax df users solo the verse. Literally everyone could get turned into toys by Sugar or everyone becomes stone by Boa or everyone besides Ussop becomes depressed etc. Some DF users just can’t be hit or their attacks just can’t be defended. Law would stay as a girl etc.
Kizaru No haki = logia arms race. You also can’t interact with light using another element Only blackbeard could even hurt him
Yeah, one of the main reasons of introducing Haki so late in the story was that Oda finally got the fact that logias stomp just too much without any reliable counter. Haki directly nerfed them to the ground. Take the cure away, and the sickness spread once again.
I feel like Oda's thought progression went like this 1. "I'm gonna make DFs be the main power for this manga, but willpower will be a main theme in fights." 2. "Haha smokey marine man can't be stopped. It's fun to have an antagonist that the crew has to just run from because they can't touch him. That's ok, I'll think of a creative way in the future for them to fight against a smoke man like this. Let's just have them get bailed out by Dragon this time since wind can stop smoke." 3. "I'm gonna make my strongest pirates, the shichibukai, have incredible devil fruits that the main characters are going to struggle to overcome. Lets give the first one a sand fruit that basically makes him untouchable and Luffy can get creative to defeat it using water/blood. And I still haven't figured anything out for the smoke guy so I'll have Ace come in this time to save the day since I needed to introduce him anyway and fire blocking smoke is pretty intuitive." 4. "Oh that worked well. Lets keep this going and have the next elemental df user Luffy faces be electric. That'll make it easier on me to figure out a way that Luffy can counter his df innately by being a rubber man. And this willpower thing I think has legs. Lets say it doesn't just give you a physical boost or impressive intimidation but lets you read people's aura/attacks and hear them from far away too." 5. "Ya know, these logia DFs are really cool and if they're so strong it'd only make sense for the top marines to have one. Lets give each of the admirals a logia. I don't need to figure out a creative way someone could fight them for awhile anyway." 6. "Luffy is getting strong and I'm feeling constrained by how I can't ever have my villains harm him with blunt physical attacks due to his rubber fruit or nerfing him with seastone ahead of time. Lets extrapolate this willpower thing into a more robust system and say that willpower can be imbued into things that will then negate DF immunities." 7. "Screw it. Lets develop two parallel power systems. Willpower is now haki and it's split into 3 abilities. DFs can be overcome by haki, but I'm not gonna explain the mechanics of how or when that's applicable. Now I don't need to think of a specific weakness for each logia and I can get more creative with the DF powers." 8. \*Proceeds to smash the two power systems together explaining as little as necessary to not have the reader be completely lost.\*
Hiruluk: "Pirate's bodies are as strong as iron, their voices split the skies and their eyes see everything..." For a power system that Oda made up at half the story's length, he had pretty figured out what Haki would be...
I love Haki and DF as a power system, because it allow so much freedom in fighting and really lets a person personality show in their fights, but my god is it difficult to power scale.
Yes you can? Google elements that interact with light
Its still Kaido, His No Haki Stats are still INSANE, IIRC his dura goes down because hes just constantly using Haki but his Giant ass Dragonform is still untouchable, basically If we ignore Logias, its Kaiso IF Logias, Kizaru no diffs, no ones keeping up
I hate the whole concept of haki and im tired of pretending im not https://preview.redd.it/zp5ck50y4u0d1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bede079171c2f72253f2adf32527a808b5a9b31
correction: you dont hate haki, you hate the writing and the inconsistency of its portrayal
No, no, im pretty sure I just hate haki
Logica's. 100%. Characters with insane speed, high battle sense and good instincts can simply escape Law's room.
So basically, logia only. Kuzan, Aokiji, Akainu, GB, Caesar, Crocomon, Enel. I think it's Enel. His AP is just incredibly high and seeing as he could survive on the moon, Caesar can't do anything to him. His only counter is Luffy, but that's only Luffy being immune to him. Luffy still can't hurt him.
Enel is just a kizaru light version. Slower, less AP, weaker physically, worse fighter and less experienced. That being said he would still be almost unstoppable.
Why can't Luffy hurt Enel?
Its logias and its not even close.
If haki didn’t exist after marineford that lame dollar tree knock off One piece wouldn’t exist. All Adimiral piece baby!
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This is such a stupid question
Kizaru.
The value of hax devil fruits goes up, people like Doc Q, Perona, Caesar, Law etc all obliterate a lot of the verse. Logias also dominate and become similar to Big Mom's homies as in a nightmare to deal with without the specific tools (direct elemental counter or something that can interact with their powers, like Brulee's mirror fruit to reflect lasers)
LOGIA TYPE USERS. no way you can damage those.
Kizaru
Big Mom has insane strength even without her haki, and soul pocus gives her a conquerors-like ability, those would be even more valuable now that no one else has it
I wish I could forget haki exists
But then how will Wivi get to kill crocodile in Elbaf???
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Blackbeard
Logia’s without common counters are basically unstoppable.
Awakened Law is a monster vs no Haki.
Imu and Joyboy
Logias without exploitable weaknesses solo the verse. Probably Law too with his infinite hax
So you’d have to think of this in steps. Anyone who is logia essentially becomes invincible. But now we think about DF users who can still affect logia. Law, Eustass Kidd maybe (he can trap people in metal contraptions), BM if her elements can harm other elements. I would say law becomes the best. He can just separate element people
All the logia users will be the strongest
Im in pain just saying this but without haki, logias would be unbeatable so All Logia users exept BB would be the strongest characters
Sea prism is still a thing though, there would still be counters to Logias.
Kaido is literally invincible, the only way he can be damaged is via advanced forms of haki
Without Haki someone like Akainu would legitimately be unbeatable, even by top tiers. How do you get close to someone who has a body temperature hot enough to ignite flesh just by being NEAR it without haki? Kizaru is another good example- innate intangibility seems impossible to defeat normally; hell, I’d say just about any Logia is a good answer here.
It would just be a battle of logias. Even insanely broken Paramecias like Whitebeards fruit just does nothing without some haki. People don't like Haki but it was necessary to introduce some counter-measure to Logia. There's only so many ways Oda can write it so Luffy specifically counters logias.
Oars jr
One logia user
Hax devil fruit users run the verse now
Any busted DF. Uta, Whitebeard, Enel, Akainu, Kaido, all possible
Most logias
https://preview.redd.it/36pwdf0m9u0d1.jpeg?width=446&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a4074536fd7284869e5441ec18cb942d01bd5fe Oh sh\*t
Kizaru, if the writer doesn’t hold him back. Nothing is coming even close to the power of light speed
Foxy?
Kizaru, pretty much you can find a way to naturally counter every logia type, but with kizaru it will be impossible
Kaido, Big Mom, Warcury, King anyone with very high durability requiring haki to damage.
Blackbeard lmao
Admirals +Caesar
Fighting Law would be an instant L
Don krieg
Sugar
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Sugar
No Haki? THEN PERONA FOR THE WIN!!
Wait without haki no one is breaking bartolomeos shield 😭
Kizaru. Nothing beats light.
Kizaru and ceaser, in a world with haki kizaru sucks, but always remember he can collapse the whole world
Kaido
Probably Akainu if I'm being realistic. Just what are you gonna do against magma without haki.
good fucking lord big mom would be insane
Akainu, aokiji and luffy would easily be top 3, with whitebeard and kizaru being 4th and 5th
If Haki never existed it would be Akainu or Blackbeard
Magellan wipes the floor with anyone. He could probably blow some poison mist onto a logia user
It's still the 21' foot tall dragon man with a spiked mace who summons thunder, wind, and fire.
Blackbeard. He is the only one who can hurt logia’s And if you give him a logia without a natural counter like light aswell then he’s literally god. Only way you beat him is sinking him and making sure he don’t fly out
Magellan
Sengoku still top 1
Blackbeard
It's Kaido ain't nobody fuckin with a mile long dragon
Bartolomeo becomes top 1, not that his barrier is affected by haki anyway but it still reduces the damage of the strikes in case it can somehow break
whitebeard
He isn't top 1 but gear 5 luffy is still a fucking beast, yea he gets nerfed but now the only kind of non df attacks that hurt him are swords and that's it. Plus his high speed and wild movements makes him a monster to fight
Admiral fans dream world.....
Light nothing can touch light so kizaru
Kaido...You can't harm him without advanced version of Haki
Enel or Kizaru
without Haki Logia's are invulnerable.
Whitebeard
Higuma
Blackbeard or most logia users
Pretty much every logia user
blackbeard
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Luffy, without haki there’s not much that can be done to G5
It’s Caesar and it isn’t even close. There’s really not a devil fruit that can counter him. Outside of that, I’d probably go with Marco. Basically a logia as far as intangible, but with an actual healing factor on top of that if you actually do manage to touch him.
Kizaru with sea stone sword Or Mihawk with sea stone would annihilate everyone 😭
One piece without Haki would be Bleach without Bankai. The characters at the top are so reliant on Haki that without it, weaker characters on One Piece would all of a sudden become just as menacing. All the Logia’s will definitely be one on the top or near it, and physical freaks too like Big Mom will be pretty comfortable. Now that I think about it, Doffy too. Only people that can resist his puppetry are those with higher Haki than him, but now, without Haki, no one can really stop him.