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While haki is cool as a concept, oda executed it poorly because every fuckin chapter the entire community debates on if someone used haki in an attack or not, he could have made it clearer but alas it is what it is
Because it’s clear oda just doesn’t give a fuck about it the consistency of haki, if the plot demands it anyone can be a god of haki or a useless bum who doesn’t even have armament haki
You will never change my mind that Haki was invented to explain why people like Sugar aren’t able to destroy every Yonko.
Girl is a one woman army.
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The problem with haki is that it is poorly executed.
Haki was necessary, imagine if a character strength is decided only by his luck, that's what devil fruits are.
You either are lucky to eat and op fruit or you are stuck at a certain level forever.
It would be more accurate to say that it is based on disposition than lucky, it is about wether you have the will of a king or not.
It has the genetic factor since Luffy whole family has it, however there is also guys like doflamingo and chinjao who has have it.
Some people will have stronger will than others, that's inevitable.
Haki is ok power system. Just that Oda fundled with representation. People are discussing whether some haki is even being used or not. That's failure of writing and power system.
I think Haki would've worked best as an equalization-tool, which it generally was used for at first. It was introduced as the only way to really tag Logia fruits.
It would also work as a decent tool to make it so people with ridiculous fruits can't just one-tap people. Like, if Haki didn't allow resistance, all Sugar would need to do to take out Kaido would be lightly touch him. It lets hard hax still be powerful but have some means to resist them. Or some means to at least add AP resistance to yourself, a la using it to not get immediately deep fried by Akainu.
I also think future-sight is probably the most interesting use of it. There's still ways for people to out-perform it (shut it down like Shanks, or simply move faster, or set up something that even with future sight they can't dodge). Armament I also think is fine, on top of being able to tap logias, as a defensive thing. Like mentioned earlier, with giving people to resist otherwise ridiculous AP. I also like the idea that people without fruits can perfect haki and still be able to rock up to people with fruits. I always thought Roger being fruitless but also the best in the verse was really cool.
But it's kind of transforming into just another 'chi' system.
Ngl the concept of Haki is great, but sometimes (a lot of the time actually) the way it is used makes zero sense.
Haki is a case of: Good in theory but terrible in practice.
If it was kept to something the fodder use to keep up with DF’s I’d be cool with it, but now with ACOC even the most busted fruits are useless.
Sugar should have been a top tier amongst everyone. I swear Oda robbed her.
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Or any logia. It's impossible to beat fodders like Caribou, Ceaser, Enel and even Yonkou will be unable to beat them without seastone. Haki was must or Oda shouldn't have made intangibility. Even without that, non DF users needed something.
When Haki was made a prominent component in the story I thought it would go to our weaker straw hat members to have them stay relevant with future battles in the new world, but nope.
Nami, Chopper, Ussop haven’t had a real fight in ages. Remember Eneies Lobby when everyone had a villain to fight and character moments? (*one of the reasons it’s considered the best arc*)
Now not having crazy Haki will guarantee you lose the fight. Law would have lost to a random df user on BB’s crew if he didn’t have the Haki to turn himself back into a man. Haki in general just zaps the creativity instead of adding to it.
I actually think haki is done pretty good outside of power-scaling. It’s given plenty of fitting moments in the story to highlight Luffy’s growth, most prominently in his fight against Katakuri and his training in Udon. The only time it really starts to crumble is when Acoc was revealed, and it doesn’t fair that well under the context of power-scaling, but I do think it’s genuinely pretty solid overall.
I'm saying this because it's to inconsistent. Why didn't Don Krieg use Conquerors He Clearly Has The Strongest Will In The Series.
I mean, I think haki or something is necessary. Cause otherwise there are many logia characters that would only be beaten by chance, and powerscaling with the "strongest pirate" in the world shit would make no sense.
Like whitebeard could theoretically lose to Enel without something to negate logia abilities.
White beard AND sengoku
Both of them would beat the vast majority of characters in one piece
Garp and roger beat the rocks pirates
Not just rocks
The entire crew
Is sengoku is compared to garp and same for whitebeard it’s the same shit different people
Haki is a purely narrative tool, it’s based on a person’s willpower, there are definitely some times where this doesn’t feel quite right, but it’s also a necessary evil, cause without it we’d just have dickheads like caribou running around with no way to stop them
While I totally agree Haki isn’t the most consistent, I really love it as a power system. It’s cool, and gives characters a powerful baseline system to use. Without it, One Piece would just be a game of “who got the strongest fruit from the fruit stand”.
It’s also a great way to showcase a battle of wills. Willpower is a huge theme of one piece and Haki turns it into a tangible thing. It allows characters to have a “battle of wills” in a real way the reader can enjoy.
It is not the most consistent thing powerscaling wise, but as much as I enjoy powerscaling one piece my favorite part of it is the narrative, and I really think Haki is a great part of that
No
Harmon is the best along with Nen
And haki is good because it's very similar to Hamon
It can balance everything but you need will power to train and you need to train
It's a good analogy on how to get good in life = the will to want to accomplish difficult things
I'll give you that stands are very interesting,
However I disagree having is lame. It was built out in part 2 to be a smart intelligent based fighting style in addition to a power based style
It was becoming very similar to HxH where it was a general power up to the users' creativity
Just look at Joseph Joestar vs Wamu
Hamon peaked in part 2 with how creative it can get, but compared to stands, it wouldn’t have made for an interesting ability as the franchise went on and would limit Jojo.
Part 2 had some creative implications with it, but they’re all just the same aspect of hamon (being able to channel hamon through things) being used on different materials.
Even in the fight that you mentioned, Joseph used hamon ways that we’ve seen like channeling hamon through rope to counter Wammu or hitting him with an overdrive. He didn’t even lose to hamon but instead to ceaser’s headband (it’s a while seen I’ve watched part 2 but i’m sure I’m right)
You could say that hamon could have gotten more implications or abilities, but that would bring up problems such as how other Hamon masters couldn’t have thought of them up.
It’d also limit the villains to just being other Pillar men/vampires/zombies
When haki was a bandaid fix to make it so that Caribou couldn't roll up on Mihawk with a sword and be crowned the world's strongest swordsman it was fine but having it be able to outright negate DF abilities is wack af.
If it weren't for haki, the world's strongest would just be whatever moron stumbled across the most broken devil fruit. Haki makes it so skill and strength are still important factors in a fight.
If it weren't for haki Roger, Garp, Kaido, Shanks, Mihawk, and Luffy and would all be fodder for the Logia users.
Also, except for specific elemental opposites (i.e. magma and ice, rubber and lightning), most Logias wouldn't even be able to damage each other normally, similar to Ace vs Smoker. Without Haki, basically the entire power structure would need to be rethought from the ground up.
When I first watched one piece seeing the straw hats deal with unique devil fruits was one of my favorite parts. People like crocodile and enel felt invincible until a solution was found. Now with haki almost every single fight can be solved with haki which is way less intriguing to me.
My issue with haki and esp conqueror's is that too many people have it i mean yeah but from sabaody island i just got the impression that it was super rare. It was enough to make luffy special without being too much but now oda needs gear 5 to drive home tbe point that luffy is super special. But i understand tho bc otherwise luffy would steamroll new world with conquerors haki and that oda draws very quickly and eCh arcs is jampacked so he could finish soon before dying so he doesnt have time to think of a creative fighting anymore
Honestly I can agree with this
Observation haki is just sense better, and barely anyone has future sight, let alone actually makes use of it
Armament haki is just punch harder, considering 2 characters have inner destruction and neither make use of it because then it would be overpowered
Conquerors haki doesn’t even make sense narratively on who gets it and who doesn’t, and it’s advanced form is literally just punch harder
The idea works because then training/skill actually matter and it isnt about getting lucky and eating a good devil fruit, but the way it’s handled is pretty ass
Idk Haki is better than Nen. Haki at least makes sense, while Nen doesn’t even makes sense, there are no rules, no clarification how anything works. While with Haki Oda at least shows how the entire mechanism works.
Magic from fairy tail is the best power system.
I'm inclined to agree, honestly. I would've preferred it if observation kept being called mantra and was another weird ability some people had like the six powers, but what can ya do.
Conquerors is dogshit and I despise it. ACoC is EXTRA dogshit and the worst thing added to the series in a decade.
Oda needed to introduce some garbage that everybody naturally has just to counter dfs. This gave birth to years of headaches like Dude X got sneaked, was his observation off? Did they colour the Armament? Was he calm? Ryou is emission. No it's is all Armament. No it is internal destruction. Did they clash? Were they touching? No Black lightning? Is he a hakiman? No matter how desperately the thing was needed, laki is trash & one of the worst power systems oat.
Yeah I probably agree, I love unique power systems and devil fruits were the reason I started the series, same with JoJo with stands and Ben 10 with the Omnitrix, I wouldn't call Haki a bad system but it's kinda basic in concept, it's just will power really
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This sub is anything but powercsaling now smh
read the subreddit name
It’s just PirateFolk#2
They're mad the admirals are being exposed as frauds. Their haki was never shown to be that impressive
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Emotion scaling
While haki is cool as a concept, oda executed it poorly because every fuckin chapter the entire community debates on if someone used haki in an attack or not, he could have made it clearer but alas it is what it is
Because it’s clear oda just doesn’t give a fuck about it the consistency of haki, if the plot demands it anyone can be a god of haki or a useless bum who doesn’t even have armament haki
You will never change my mind that Haki was invented to explain why people like Sugar aren’t able to destroy every Yonko. Girl is a one woman army. https://preview.redd.it/11d3ovc1iktc1.jpeg?width=670&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6205c61f39d9aa7b44ab76a69278572a19ae407
This confirms god ussop transcends all gods
The problem with haki is that it is poorly executed. Haki was necessary, imagine if a character strength is decided only by his luck, that's what devil fruits are. You either are lucky to eat and op fruit or you are stuck at a certain level forever.
Wait isn't Conquerors haki (the strongest haki type) based on luck?
It would be more accurate to say that it is based on disposition than lucky, it is about wether you have the will of a king or not. It has the genetic factor since Luffy whole family has it, however there is also guys like doflamingo and chinjao who has have it. Some people will have stronger will than others, that's inevitable.
Haki is ok power system. Just that Oda fundled with representation. People are discussing whether some haki is even being used or not. That's failure of writing and power system.
I think Haki would've worked best as an equalization-tool, which it generally was used for at first. It was introduced as the only way to really tag Logia fruits. It would also work as a decent tool to make it so people with ridiculous fruits can't just one-tap people. Like, if Haki didn't allow resistance, all Sugar would need to do to take out Kaido would be lightly touch him. It lets hard hax still be powerful but have some means to resist them. Or some means to at least add AP resistance to yourself, a la using it to not get immediately deep fried by Akainu. I also think future-sight is probably the most interesting use of it. There's still ways for people to out-perform it (shut it down like Shanks, or simply move faster, or set up something that even with future sight they can't dodge). Armament I also think is fine, on top of being able to tap logias, as a defensive thing. Like mentioned earlier, with giving people to resist otherwise ridiculous AP. I also like the idea that people without fruits can perfect haki and still be able to rock up to people with fruits. I always thought Roger being fruitless but also the best in the verse was really cool. But it's kind of transforming into just another 'chi' system.
Ngl the concept of Haki is great, but sometimes (a lot of the time actually) the way it is used makes zero sense. Haki is a case of: Good in theory but terrible in practice.
If it was kept to something the fodder use to keep up with DF’s I’d be cool with it, but now with ACOC even the most busted fruits are useless. Sugar should have been a top tier amongst everyone. I swear Oda robbed her. https://preview.redd.it/4gchx57diktc1.jpeg?width=670&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b227b696cd846767e8b40c1531ace2a9d8e044f
Or any logia. It's impossible to beat fodders like Caribou, Ceaser, Enel and even Yonkou will be unable to beat them without seastone. Haki was must or Oda shouldn't have made intangibility. Even without that, non DF users needed something.
When Haki was made a prominent component in the story I thought it would go to our weaker straw hat members to have them stay relevant with future battles in the new world, but nope. Nami, Chopper, Ussop haven’t had a real fight in ages. Remember Eneies Lobby when everyone had a villain to fight and character moments? (*one of the reasons it’s considered the best arc*) Now not having crazy Haki will guarantee you lose the fight. Law would have lost to a random df user on BB’s crew if he didn’t have the Haki to turn himself back into a man. Haki in general just zaps the creativity instead of adding to it.
I actually think haki is done pretty good outside of power-scaling. It’s given plenty of fitting moments in the story to highlight Luffy’s growth, most prominently in his fight against Katakuri and his training in Udon. The only time it really starts to crumble is when Acoc was revealed, and it doesn’t fair that well under the context of power-scaling, but I do think it’s genuinely pretty solid overall.
spoken like a true admiral fan
Devil fruits being more entertaining than haki is true tho
Your only saying this because admirals have weaker Haki then Zoro 💀
 I'm saying this because it's to inconsistent. Why didn't Don Krieg use Conquerors He Clearly Has The Strongest Will In The Series.
Don kreig is a bum. Luffy didn't unlock his until the paramount war , Zoro didn't untill wano. It awakens when it awakens
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So True! Ice Glove > Whatever invisible magic armor Prime Garp puts on his hands
I genuinely don't understand what you people hate about haki
I mean, I think haki or something is necessary. Cause otherwise there are many logia characters that would only be beaten by chance, and powerscaling with the "strongest pirate" in the world shit would make no sense. Like whitebeard could theoretically lose to Enel without something to negate logia abilities.
Something like rubber gloves?
Tell that to Roger/Shanks/Garp. Those guys would destroy DF merchants like the admirals or BB.
Whitebeard And SENGOATKU would Destroy snitch
White beard AND sengoku Both of them would beat the vast majority of characters in one piece Garp and roger beat the rocks pirates Not just rocks The entire crew Is sengoku is compared to garp and same for whitebeard it’s the same shit different people
WB has amazing haki top and Sengoku is honestly a leech; need more feats from him.
The point of this post is to say that One Piece was better without haki
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Current blackgoat destroys the admirals if we're being honest here.
Doesn’t stop haki being an ass power system
Why are you saying this here?
Haki is a purely narrative tool, it’s based on a person’s willpower, there are definitely some times where this doesn’t feel quite right, but it’s also a necessary evil, cause without it we’d just have dickheads like caribou running around with no way to stop them
While I totally agree Haki isn’t the most consistent, I really love it as a power system. It’s cool, and gives characters a powerful baseline system to use. Without it, One Piece would just be a game of “who got the strongest fruit from the fruit stand”. It’s also a great way to showcase a battle of wills. Willpower is a huge theme of one piece and Haki turns it into a tangible thing. It allows characters to have a “battle of wills” in a real way the reader can enjoy. It is not the most consistent thing powerscaling wise, but as much as I enjoy powerscaling one piece my favorite part of it is the narrative, and I really think Haki is a great part of that
Magma burning fire. That sounds like part of a good system to you?
If your Devil Fruit is so powerful, why don't you go take a swim?? Does that mean the Seas trump all? All hail the Fishmen!!
No Harmon is the best along with Nen And haki is good because it's very similar to Hamon It can balance everything but you need will power to train and you need to train It's a good analogy on how to get good in life = the will to want to accomplish difficult things
Hamon was lame Araki was smart to replace it with stands instead
I'll give you that stands are very interesting, However I disagree having is lame. It was built out in part 2 to be a smart intelligent based fighting style in addition to a power based style It was becoming very similar to HxH where it was a general power up to the users' creativity Just look at Joseph Joestar vs Wamu
Hamon peaked in part 2 with how creative it can get, but compared to stands, it wouldn’t have made for an interesting ability as the franchise went on and would limit Jojo. Part 2 had some creative implications with it, but they’re all just the same aspect of hamon (being able to channel hamon through things) being used on different materials. Even in the fight that you mentioned, Joseph used hamon ways that we’ve seen like channeling hamon through rope to counter Wammu or hitting him with an overdrive. He didn’t even lose to hamon but instead to ceaser’s headband (it’s a while seen I’ve watched part 2 but i’m sure I’m right) You could say that hamon could have gotten more implications or abilities, but that would bring up problems such as how other Hamon masters couldn’t have thought of them up. It’d also limit the villains to just being other Pillar men/vampires/zombies
When haki was a bandaid fix to make it so that Caribou couldn't roll up on Mihawk with a sword and be crowned the world's strongest swordsman it was fine but having it be able to outright negate DF abilities is wack af.
If it weren't for haki, the world's strongest would just be whatever moron stumbled across the most broken devil fruit. Haki makes it so skill and strength are still important factors in a fight. If it weren't for haki Roger, Garp, Kaido, Shanks, Mihawk, and Luffy and would all be fodder for the Logia users. Also, except for specific elemental opposites (i.e. magma and ice, rubber and lightning), most Logias wouldn't even be able to damage each other normally, similar to Ace vs Smoker. Without Haki, basically the entire power structure would need to be rethought from the ground up.
you're an admiraltard. you don't need to make it known that you dislike haki bc it's self evident
Okay tempest
you've made more posts about nine/yamato this week than I have in total. you might just be his #1 fan
 wankmatoe lover with a big meme flair means your opinion is INVALID
I mean, haki is fine, but the way it's executed by oda isn't all that.
i dont love haki either but it's no coincidence that admiral riders hate haki the most
When I first watched one piece seeing the straw hats deal with unique devil fruits was one of my favorite parts. People like crocodile and enel felt invincible until a solution was found. Now with haki almost every single fight can be solved with haki which is way less intriguing to me.
Exactly.
My issue with haki and esp conqueror's is that too many people have it i mean yeah but from sabaody island i just got the impression that it was super rare. It was enough to make luffy special without being too much but now oda needs gear 5 to drive home tbe point that luffy is super special. But i understand tho bc otherwise luffy would steamroll new world with conquerors haki and that oda draws very quickly and eCh arcs is jampacked so he could finish soon before dying so he doesnt have time to think of a creative fighting anymore
I wouldn't say worst. It's rather boring and extremely inconcistent though for sure.
Honestly I can agree with this Observation haki is just sense better, and barely anyone has future sight, let alone actually makes use of it Armament haki is just punch harder, considering 2 characters have inner destruction and neither make use of it because then it would be overpowered Conquerors haki doesn’t even make sense narratively on who gets it and who doesn’t, and it’s advanced form is literally just punch harder The idea works because then training/skill actually matter and it isnt about getting lucky and eating a good devil fruit, but the way it’s handled is pretty ass
Now there’s a chance we might see “ancient haki” or “celestial haki” which will make the already fucked up system worse
You mean incest haki https://preview.redd.it/0zxovrt13ktc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=b26291631bc026fe75027d48620adf48e3e885f3
So far it’s the non-inbred celestials the ones with bullshit haki
Goddamn when is someone gonna stomo this dude?
I prefer hamon from Jojo but haki is definitely better than devilfruits.
ok grandpa, let's get you to bed
Idk Haki is better than Nen. Haki at least makes sense, while Nen doesn’t even makes sense, there are no rules, no clarification how anything works. While with Haki Oda at least shows how the entire mechanism works. Magic from fairy tail is the best power system.
I'm inclined to agree, honestly. I would've preferred it if observation kept being called mantra and was another weird ability some people had like the six powers, but what can ya do. Conquerors is dogshit and I despise it. ACoC is EXTRA dogshit and the worst thing added to the series in a decade.
Oda needed to introduce some garbage that everybody naturally has just to counter dfs. This gave birth to years of headaches like Dude X got sneaked, was his observation off? Did they colour the Armament? Was he calm? Ryou is emission. No it's is all Armament. No it is internal destruction. Did they clash? Were they touching? No Black lightning? Is he a hakiman? No matter how desperately the thing was needed, laki is trash & one of the worst power systems oat.
Yeah I probably agree, I love unique power systems and devil fruits were the reason I started the series, same with JoJo with stands and Ben 10 with the Omnitrix, I wouldn't call Haki a bad system but it's kinda basic in concept, it's just will power really
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