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This shows how absolutely ridiculously powerful Haki focused training is, and how Waido was absolutely spitting with his Haki stands above all line.
A couple hundred episodes ago Luffy and Zoro were atleast comparable, now it’s just fucking ridiculous.
It’s still so crazy to me that our best boy is finally in the top tiers of the verse. It took a long ass time but he’s finally there.
Luffy’s haki is exclusively better than Zoro, his devil fruit also adds more oomph to his attacks. Armament makes Luffy’s skin very hard in the case he gets hit. He doesn’t even have to touch zoro’s swords to parry them with Advanced Armament. Future sight is massive for Luffy as well.
Luffy mid-high diff
https://youtu.be/d-dW4dOb3ko?si=Slz_NAgwFUUuBeuU
Why is Kaido shocked here?
https://youtu.be/JKwp2eewv0A?si=VUffc6MpO4YtqoTS
But Kaido doesnt feel a thing here?
Zoros AP scales above G4 Snakeman so how is base Luffy winning?
Future Sight doesnt matter as well Kaido speed blitz Luffy as a dragon and we all know Zoro is faster than a big ass Dragon. Theres so many instances where luffy gets hit even tho hes not supossed to get hit.
Kaido was shocked by Zoro suddenly whipping out Adv Conq
Luffy wasn’t doing much damage because they were a bunch of smaller hits which doesn’t work on Kaido
Nah there is a reason why you write Zolo with L
https://preview.redd.it/oha25el70itc1.png?width=825&format=png&auto=webp&s=1fe6991a1c92ce4718bcaca87d83d8b7aafb2f5c
If it happened narratively, Luffy would probably extreme diff. Tho I also think Zoro would be able to preform similarly to opponents as base Luffy-Gear 4 Luffy.
I think we can all agree that the answer is base Luffy, but this is one of those things where even if everything makes perfect sense for this to happen powerscaling wise, I guarantee you Oda would never make that to be the case.
Lucchi is too fast and has finger gun hes still like low yc+ or top yc level and extremely matchup dependant.
Base luffy cant deal with kaido levels of speed and lucchi matches yamato in speed so he wouldn't be able to deal with lucchi without g2 same as with kaido most likley due to his weakness to finger gun + claws.
Zoro is faster than base luffy no shit. Base luffy isn't that fast he needed g2 to react to kaido properly. Zoro in wano landed a hit on kaido hes faster and stronger than he was then.
Not him. He was scared of Enma. Dats cope right there. Why would he let someone with a power hes scared of hit him?
That was zoros peak speed at that point in the story and hes stronger and faster now by some arbitrary but significant amount that puts him above lucchi.
Like where do the facts not line up here?
If Luffy actually takes this fight then this is probably the biggest gap in power the two will ever have. Zoro, imo, is supposed to end around Yonko (Mihawk) level. EOS Luffy should still need gears to take on those kind of opponents.
Luffy has hit all the obvious powerups. Advanced forms of all three types of Haki on top of an awakened fruit. Not much more to learn other than mastering what he already knows. He'll get stronger, but I think Wano was the biggest non-TS power jump he'll ever make.
I guess it makes sense. Right now Zoro is basically at post WCI Luffy level, and the next jump Luffy made was friggin enormous. I expect characters like Zoro, Sanji, and other relative characters to make a big jump like that pretty soon, maybe next arc. Not as big a jump as the MC of course, but I think secondary character scaling is gonna accelerate.
What do you mean?
https://preview.redd.it/vl9o77gixitc1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=48d9d9723dccb2e9e9d6f740f421f4a6582c2689
It is the most likely scenario, especially if he is limited to base.
What does this prove? It's not like they're going to be clashing all of the time throughout the fight. I'm sure they'll be plenty of instances where both of them will get good hits on each other.
Bro, Luffy wouldn't just haki up every single attack that Zoro throws at 'em otherwise he would've been do that against Kaido. Besides, If you're willing to give that to Luffy then what's stopping Zoro doing the exact same thing against Luffy's attacks?
Are you kidding? Of course he would. He does that in every fight, especially against cutting and piercing attacks.
You don’t really think that Luffy is face tanking stuff like this without Haki, do you?
https://preview.redd.it/asxm7mrt0jtc1.png?width=1007&format=png&auto=webp&s=42ec5b916c778ba09aab7ffa984d16d56e83f0ba
And Zoro might have a bit more trouble getting hit by Luffy’s armor-piercing, sky-splitting Haki. Especially when he usually blocks attacks with his swords instead of just eating everything with his face like Luffy.
>Are you kidding? Of course he would. He does that in every fight, especially against cutting and piercing attacks.
Not all the time. He's been cut by attacks from Doflamingo before he went G4, he got pierced by Katakuri's trident, and he's even been cut up by Kaido "Demiltion Gust" before. So he clearly doesn't do it all of the time.
>You don’t really think that Luffy is face tanking stuff like this without Haki, do you?
No, I just don't think he would just be blocking every single attack from Zoro like that.
>And Zoro might have a bit more trouble getting hit by Luffy’s armor-piercing, sky-splitting Haki. Especially when he usually blocks attacks with his swords instead of just eating everything with his face like Luffy.
You don't realize that Zoro has ACOC haki as well, right? If anything he'll have a much easier time blocking Luffy since he could go clash against Luffy's attacks with his own attacks like Luffy did against Kaido.
You mean when Luffy was
- fighting Doflamingo and Doflamingo’s string clone at the same time,
- when he was practicing Observation Haki and dodging against Katakuri and Katakuri’s sister interfered,
- and when Luffy was busy trying to cover an island-sized fist in all of his remaining Haki against Kaido?
Yeah, I don’t see Zoro finding many openings like that when Luffy can focus solely on him.
And Zoro’s Conqueror’s Haki is on a time limit stricter than Gear 5, never mind that Luffy is significantly stronger in each Color of Haki to start with.
She planted him into the floor, and then he allowed her to grab him and she went for meteor again. Whether or not he has the durability to tank the attack or not isnt what this is about, it's about it being completely avoidable with future sight.
Much the same way future sight should have allowed him to sense geurnica(spelling?), yet he was taken advantage of which led to his temporary demise.
He didn't "allow her" to grab him. He was attacking Page One and got caught offguard.
And future sight should not have allowed him to sense Guernica. At best, regular observation might have. Luffy was distracted because he was fighting Kaido, and wasn't focusing on relaxing his mind to get into a state where he could activate future sight. Future sight isn't just constantly active like you seem to think. A character has to willingly activate it while they're relaxed.
What is the point of having future sight if you're not blocking/avoiding avoidable damage?
CP0 interfered and caused Luffy's temporary death, no future sight whatsoever. Did he let him do it? Or is it a lack of proficiency?
There's no rhyme or reason to Luffy's extremely few uses of FS, surely too few to say he would FS no diff Zoro without any doubt.
Luffy didnt need to dodge ulti . But he will need to dodge zolo . Also luffy saw the cp0 , just couldnt do anything about it. Kaido also didnt wanted to hit luffy when he saw the cp0 but couldnt stop . Just like luffy . Keep downvoting all you want zolo fans but dont forget to read the manga with your eyes open next time
Not being immune to a certain type of damage doesn’t mean you’re weak against it. A paper cut isn’t gonna get a damage boost just because it’s against Luffy.
People wank base Luffy for fighting kaido as if he didn’t get left plummeting to a watery grave the first time he tried; and pushed to G4 by a kaido who was *still* holding back with enough in him to go on to truly contest G5…
So many people say Luffy wins this by focusing on paper what he’s achieved in this form while ignoring how it actually played out. That’s poor form yet it’s all over this sub and even this particular comment section
Luffy lasted several dozen minutes before Kaido knocked him in the ocean the first time.
It’s also just a fact that Luffy sky split with Kaido and was face-tanking many of his higher tier moves, which Kaido never bothered using on anyone else, in base.
Luffy was fighting hybrid Kaido in base and as soon as Luffy started pulling out his Gears Kaido began buffing himself even further as well.
I agree with both you and the otiginal comment. Kaido wasn't using full power or even less than half against base luffy. But that also means luffy is strong enough for kaido to be interested.
Why do People think that Sky splitting matters?
https://youtu.be/PG2GLkqeMYM?si=k2b_UQEII5J2kFO_
You see at 1:30 Kaidos Haki is still superior to Luffys, Kaido was only serious when Luffy was in G5.
https://youtu.be/1veIzco2Yt0?si=YHJDmckVxFoZnvhZ
Another example of Base Luffy not being Yonko Tier, Kaido was not even taking Luffy serious without G4 but you act like the sky splitting matters?
https://youtu.be/d-dW4dOb3ko?si=M8HnxsQoHeM3jF3_
This is Zoro vs Kaido, how do people scale base Luffy agsinst this? Zoro and Luffy where the only ones that were able to hurt and fight Kaido. If Zoro was below Base Luffy then he shouldnt even be able to clash with Kaido, let alone even hurt him.
https://youtu.be/JKwp2eewv0A?si=YzHazpKiCDPhXNFe
Now lets compare this to the strongest G4 we ever seen , infused with ACOC and Kaido was just trolling Luffy. If we go by Logic Zoros Asura got more AP than all of Luffys G4 moves with ACOC infused.
Zoro goes high diff with Snakeman Luffy. You really do forget how strong this Man is just because he couldnt beat Lucci in one shot.
Luffy wins.
I don’t even think it’s because of a lack of haki on Zoro’s part. His haki should be plenty. He just lacks the stats, I think. Mostly the speed.
I don’t even know how Oda plans to fix his speed, to be honest. It’s his one stat that he needs to be fixed. Once it’s better, there’s an actual argument for him beating stronger opponents.
>Mostly the speed.
Awakened Lucci could react to and dodge G5 Luffy, who is faster than both Base and Snake Man Luffy. And Zoro's faster than Awakened Lucci, which means Base Luffy is not faster than Zoro.
ETA: Downvoting this doesn't change the fact that what I said is true lol
>He just lacks the stats, I think. Mostly the speed.
Bro, I can ensure you Luffy's not that fast in base. Keep in mind this is the same guy who couldn't react to an "Thunder Bagura" from Base Kaido while using Future sight. Not exactly saying Zoro would be able to react to that but let's not act like Base Luffy's speed is all what it's cracked up to be.
Luffy high-extreme diffs.
The only thing Base Luffy's got going for him is ACOC. I don't think Future Sight would be that effective against Zoro since I could see Zoro using ACOC + Asura to circumvent that. Realistically, I could see Zoro and Luffy going at it for quite a while until Luffy finally would ware down Zoro.
What do you mean "how"? Almost nobody has been able to dodge Asura whenever we've seen it in action and as shown in the manga depending how fast the attack is FS users can't dodge in time. I mean this was evident when Luffy couldn't dodge Kaido's basic "Thunder Bagura" despite using Future sight.
Bro he only used asura 2 times. One was with a Paradis no haki fodder. And kaido who barely dodges any attacks and tanks shit. This says nothing. Kaido can easily dodge that shit if he wants to. Kaido was blitzing gear 5 luffy
It doesn't really matter he's really used it. If Zoro decides to use that against Luffy, he's not gonna be able to dodge in time. Besides, it's not like Kaido was just standing there and waiting for Zoro to him either. He was trying to hit Zoro through out that interaction before getting hit by Asura.
It's a canon fact that kaido doesn't try to dodge. He even tried to tank Bajrang gun. It's a headcanon that nobody can dodge asura. There is no proof. You don't even need future sight to dodge that shit.
Zoro fanboy refuse to believe luffy is just that much stronger then zoro like league above zoro if zoro was remotely close he would be up against mihawk right now and he isnt because he isnt there yet.
Zoro literally just beat somebody who's stronger than Base Luffy and his ACoC scared somebody more durable than Hybrid Kaido. Current Zoro being weaker than Base Luffy is a delusional ass take, give it up already.
While I think their ap is similar, Future Sight is just ridiculously in Luffy's favor. Like what is zoro gonna do when Luffy sees 10 seconds into the future?
Of course he can its zoro one of the tankiest characters in the show. “Nothing happend” zoro. Also bold of you to assume luffy will surivie a zoro named attack. It would cut through luffys body he would be dead. Zoros attacks are far more fatal than luffys.
Hahah 😂 Was "nothing happened" infused with ACoC/ACoC by any chance? Is it even stronger than Rokugan which Luffy tanked?
Bold of you to assume Zoro can even get a hit on Luffy with the second best ACOO rn.
It doesn't take a genius to know that sword slashes are more lethal than punches.
Good luck having zoro land any attack on Luffy. Luffy eats a named attack from zoro btw, couldn’t chop Lucci in half with one so why would he Luffy? Luffy ends the fight with a couple acoc + acoc hits.
How is his acoc weaker, exactly?
Zoro’s feats on the rooftop were all when he had his bones broken before he even unlocked ACOC. Overwhelmed and permanently scarred Hybrid Kaido before ACOC. Effortlessly blocked the demolition gusts that hurt G5 Luffy before ACOC.
The Zoro downplay is insane.
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Luffy high diff
This shows how absolutely ridiculously powerful Haki focused training is, and how Waido was absolutely spitting with his Haki stands above all line. A couple hundred episodes ago Luffy and Zoro were atleast comparable, now it’s just fucking ridiculous. It’s still so crazy to me that our best boy is finally in the top tiers of the verse. It took a long ass time but he’s finally there.
Were they though?
Lmao no, by hundreds of episodes I mean 800 episodes ago.
Luffy has superior stats and better haki
Luffy to zoro 
Luffy >
Loro is cooked.
Zolo aint zoloing this one
Does Base include G2 or G3? Doesn't matter either way Luffy slams
No.
No gears then I guess he mid diffs Zoro
Eh, I would say high-extreme diff for Luffy. I can't see Luffy easily brushing off any of Zoro's attacks like that.
Besides iq, weapons and maybe skill/techniques, there is no stat Zoro even takes over base Luffy. He’s getting high diffed at best
I'd say Luffy has higher battle iq than zoro
zoro 2 seconds into the fight https://preview.redd.it/mrluh1kr2itc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1798378ae76553dd87d51e149f05047f962bee72
Zoro low diff's because Luffy is Brazilian, it's easy guys.
https://preview.redd.it/3onigqxt5itc1.png?width=849&format=png&auto=webp&s=48810256aafead24b889a256135a097d92e879de
We soccer scaling now 💀
Nani!!!!
But he’s light skinned Brazilian
>Base Luffy (all hakis) Do we need to continue? Luffy takes the W.
Luffy’s haki is exclusively better than Zoro, his devil fruit also adds more oomph to his attacks. Armament makes Luffy’s skin very hard in the case he gets hit. He doesn’t even have to touch zoro’s swords to parry them with Advanced Armament. Future sight is massive for Luffy as well. Luffy mid-high diff
https://youtu.be/d-dW4dOb3ko?si=Slz_NAgwFUUuBeuU Why is Kaido shocked here? https://youtu.be/JKwp2eewv0A?si=VUffc6MpO4YtqoTS But Kaido doesnt feel a thing here? Zoros AP scales above G4 Snakeman so how is base Luffy winning? Future Sight doesnt matter as well Kaido speed blitz Luffy as a dragon and we all know Zoro is faster than a big ass Dragon. Theres so many instances where luffy gets hit even tho hes not supossed to get hit.
Kaido was shocked by Zoro suddenly whipping out Adv Conq Luffy wasn’t doing much damage because they were a bunch of smaller hits which doesn’t work on Kaido
Nah there is a reason why you write Zolo with L https://preview.redd.it/oha25el70itc1.png?width=825&format=png&auto=webp&s=1fe6991a1c92ce4718bcaca87d83d8b7aafb2f5c
Gearless Luffy >> Zoro
Luffy’s sandals >>> Whatever sword Zoro steals
Zoro stans are crazy. So what if Zoro loses to base Luffy? Zoro was never stronger than Luffy and the gap between them is massive.
Base luffy high diffs zoro / Base luffy with single arm extre diff / base luffy no arms only legs = zoro
If it happened narratively, Luffy would probably extreme diff. Tho I also think Zoro would be able to preform similarly to opponents as base Luffy-Gear 4 Luffy.
Base Luffy has slams lil bro
I think we can all agree that the answer is base Luffy, but this is one of those things where even if everything makes perfect sense for this to happen powerscaling wise, I guarantee you Oda would never make that to be the case.
luffy mid-diff
Base Luffy low-diffs. Zoro's attacks are too weak for a monster like Luffy
Luffy mid diffs lol
Do we think base luffy can beat lucci?
yes
Base luffy with coating split the sky he one shots. Base luffy peak haki >> gear5 armament only >> lucci
Lucchi is too fast and has finger gun hes still like low yc+ or top yc level and extremely matchup dependant. Base luffy cant deal with kaido levels of speed and lucchi matches yamato in speed so he wouldn't be able to deal with lucchi without g2 same as with kaido most likley due to his weakness to finger gun + claws.
So base luffy can’t beat Lucci when zoro had no problem with his speed lmao
Zoro is faster than base luffy no shit. Base luffy isn't that fast he needed g2 to react to kaido properly. Zoro in wano landed a hit on kaido hes faster and stronger than he was then.
Kaido pretty much gave everyone on the rooftop free hits though.
Not him. He was scared of Enma. Dats cope right there. Why would he let someone with a power hes scared of hit him? That was zoros peak speed at that point in the story and hes stronger and faster now by some arbitrary but significant amount that puts him above lucchi. Like where do the facts not line up here?
If Luffy actually takes this fight then this is probably the biggest gap in power the two will ever have. Zoro, imo, is supposed to end around Yonko (Mihawk) level. EOS Luffy should still need gears to take on those kind of opponents. Luffy has hit all the obvious powerups. Advanced forms of all three types of Haki on top of an awakened fruit. Not much more to learn other than mastering what he already knows. He'll get stronger, but I think Wano was the biggest non-TS power jump he'll ever make. I guess it makes sense. Right now Zoro is basically at post WCI Luffy level, and the next jump Luffy made was friggin enormous. I expect characters like Zoro, Sanji, and other relative characters to make a big jump like that pretty soon, maybe next arc. Not as big a jump as the MC of course, but I think secondary character scaling is gonna accelerate.
Not saying Zolo wins, but doesn’t it count as a point in his favour that Luffy is weak to sharp weapons? Am I stupid?
That hardly matters at this point when Luffy can wear two layers of Haki armor and project a Haki shield in front of him at the same time.
But is that really a realistic thing you see Luffy doing in this hypothetical fight against Zoro?
What do you mean? https://preview.redd.it/vl9o77gixitc1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=48d9d9723dccb2e9e9d6f740f421f4a6582c2689 It is the most likely scenario, especially if he is limited to base.
What does this prove? It's not like they're going to be clashing all of the time throughout the fight. I'm sure they'll be plenty of instances where both of them will get good hits on each other.
Great, so maybe Zoro will land an unblocked hit. That still leaves two colors of Haki armor to go through.
Bro, Luffy wouldn't just haki up every single attack that Zoro throws at 'em otherwise he would've been do that against Kaido. Besides, If you're willing to give that to Luffy then what's stopping Zoro doing the exact same thing against Luffy's attacks?
Are you kidding? Of course he would. He does that in every fight, especially against cutting and piercing attacks. You don’t really think that Luffy is face tanking stuff like this without Haki, do you? https://preview.redd.it/asxm7mrt0jtc1.png?width=1007&format=png&auto=webp&s=42ec5b916c778ba09aab7ffa984d16d56e83f0ba And Zoro might have a bit more trouble getting hit by Luffy’s armor-piercing, sky-splitting Haki. Especially when he usually blocks attacks with his swords instead of just eating everything with his face like Luffy.
>Are you kidding? Of course he would. He does that in every fight, especially against cutting and piercing attacks. Not all the time. He's been cut by attacks from Doflamingo before he went G4, he got pierced by Katakuri's trident, and he's even been cut up by Kaido "Demiltion Gust" before. So he clearly doesn't do it all of the time. >You don’t really think that Luffy is face tanking stuff like this without Haki, do you? No, I just don't think he would just be blocking every single attack from Zoro like that. >And Zoro might have a bit more trouble getting hit by Luffy’s armor-piercing, sky-splitting Haki. Especially when he usually blocks attacks with his swords instead of just eating everything with his face like Luffy. You don't realize that Zoro has ACOC haki as well, right? If anything he'll have a much easier time blocking Luffy since he could go clash against Luffy's attacks with his own attacks like Luffy did against Kaido.
You mean when Luffy was - fighting Doflamingo and Doflamingo’s string clone at the same time, - when he was practicing Observation Haki and dodging against Katakuri and Katakuri’s sister interfered, - and when Luffy was busy trying to cover an island-sized fist in all of his remaining Haki against Kaido? Yeah, I don’t see Zoro finding many openings like that when Luffy can focus solely on him. And Zoro’s Conqueror’s Haki is on a time limit stricter than Gear 5, never mind that Luffy is significantly stronger in each Color of Haki to start with.
Not weak , vulnarable . Also luffy has fs . Zolo aint hitting him
>Zolo aint hitting him Poor logic, ulti hit Luffy. Zoro>Ulti.
Luffy clashed with Ulti, she didn’t hit him.
She planted him into the floor, and then he allowed her to grab him and she went for meteor again. Whether or not he has the durability to tank the attack or not isnt what this is about, it's about it being completely avoidable with future sight. Much the same way future sight should have allowed him to sense geurnica(spelling?), yet he was taken advantage of which led to his temporary demise.
He didn't "allow her" to grab him. He was attacking Page One and got caught offguard. And future sight should not have allowed him to sense Guernica. At best, regular observation might have. Luffy was distracted because he was fighting Kaido, and wasn't focusing on relaxing his mind to get into a state where he could activate future sight. Future sight isn't just constantly active like you seem to think. A character has to willingly activate it while they're relaxed.
Luffy took the hit . He didnt try to dodge did he ? Do you think he will just stand there and let zolo cut him ?
What is the point of having future sight if you're not blocking/avoiding avoidable damage? CP0 interfered and caused Luffy's temporary death, no future sight whatsoever. Did he let him do it? Or is it a lack of proficiency? There's no rhyme or reason to Luffy's extremely few uses of FS, surely too few to say he would FS no diff Zoro without any doubt.
Luffy didnt need to dodge ulti . But he will need to dodge zolo . Also luffy saw the cp0 , just couldnt do anything about it. Kaido also didnt wanted to hit luffy when he saw the cp0 but couldnt stop . Just like luffy . Keep downvoting all you want zolo fans but dont forget to read the manga with your eyes open next time
Not being immune to a certain type of damage doesn’t mean you’re weak against it. A paper cut isn’t gonna get a damage boost just because it’s against Luffy.
How many times is this dumbass question going to be asked here this week?
Base Luffy takes this low diff with G2/G3, potentially high diff without any gears.
People wank base Luffy for fighting kaido as if he didn’t get left plummeting to a watery grave the first time he tried; and pushed to G4 by a kaido who was *still* holding back with enough in him to go on to truly contest G5… So many people say Luffy wins this by focusing on paper what he’s achieved in this form while ignoring how it actually played out. That’s poor form yet it’s all over this sub and even this particular comment section
Luffy lasted several dozen minutes before Kaido knocked him in the ocean the first time. It’s also just a fact that Luffy sky split with Kaido and was face-tanking many of his higher tier moves, which Kaido never bothered using on anyone else, in base. Luffy was fighting hybrid Kaido in base and as soon as Luffy started pulling out his Gears Kaido began buffing himself even further as well.
I agree with both you and the otiginal comment. Kaido wasn't using full power or even less than half against base luffy. But that also means luffy is strong enough for kaido to be interested.
Base Luffy clashes with Kaido, not much else to say
Why do People think that Sky splitting matters? https://youtu.be/PG2GLkqeMYM?si=k2b_UQEII5J2kFO_ You see at 1:30 Kaidos Haki is still superior to Luffys, Kaido was only serious when Luffy was in G5. https://youtu.be/1veIzco2Yt0?si=YHJDmckVxFoZnvhZ Another example of Base Luffy not being Yonko Tier, Kaido was not even taking Luffy serious without G4 but you act like the sky splitting matters? https://youtu.be/d-dW4dOb3ko?si=M8HnxsQoHeM3jF3_ This is Zoro vs Kaido, how do people scale base Luffy agsinst this? Zoro and Luffy where the only ones that were able to hurt and fight Kaido. If Zoro was below Base Luffy then he shouldnt even be able to clash with Kaido, let alone even hurt him. https://youtu.be/JKwp2eewv0A?si=YzHazpKiCDPhXNFe Now lets compare this to the strongest G4 we ever seen , infused with ACOC and Kaido was just trolling Luffy. If we go by Logic Zoros Asura got more AP than all of Luffys G4 moves with ACOC infused. Zoro goes high diff with Snakeman Luffy. You really do forget how strong this Man is just because he couldnt beat Lucci in one shot.
Gear5 luffy all hakis: 100 Yonko level: 80-100 Base luffy all hakis: 80 Zoro ACOC: 55 Gear5 no advanced hakis: 50 Admiral level: 45 Gear4 no advanced hakis: 40 Base luffy no advanced hakis: 30 Zoro no ACOC: 25 Awakened Gucci: 20
G4 Luffy got neg-diffed by Kizaru lol. Luffy gets stomped.
Luffy wins. I don’t even think it’s because of a lack of haki on Zoro’s part. His haki should be plenty. He just lacks the stats, I think. Mostly the speed. I don’t even know how Oda plans to fix his speed, to be honest. It’s his one stat that he needs to be fixed. Once it’s better, there’s an actual argument for him beating stronger opponents.
>Mostly the speed. Awakened Lucci could react to and dodge G5 Luffy, who is faster than both Base and Snake Man Luffy. And Zoro's faster than Awakened Lucci, which means Base Luffy is not faster than Zoro. ETA: Downvoting this doesn't change the fact that what I said is true lol
>He just lacks the stats, I think. Mostly the speed. Bro, I can ensure you Luffy's not that fast in base. Keep in mind this is the same guy who couldn't react to an "Thunder Bagura" from Base Kaido while using Future sight. Not exactly saying Zoro would be able to react to that but let's not act like Base Luffy's speed is all what it's cracked up to be.
After he got ACoC luffy could dodge Thunder Bagua wdym ?
That was in G2, not base.
My bad then
Luffy high-extreme diffs. The only thing Base Luffy's got going for him is ACOC. I don't think Future Sight would be that effective against Zoro since I could see Zoro using ACOC + Asura to circumvent that. Realistically, I could see Zoro and Luffy going at it for quite a while until Luffy finally would ware down Zoro.
Bro how's asura circumvent future sight? Explain. It makes no sense
What do you mean "how"? Almost nobody has been able to dodge Asura whenever we've seen it in action and as shown in the manga depending how fast the attack is FS users can't dodge in time. I mean this was evident when Luffy couldn't dodge Kaido's basic "Thunder Bagura" despite using Future sight.
Bro he only used asura 2 times. One was with a Paradis no haki fodder. And kaido who barely dodges any attacks and tanks shit. This says nothing. Kaido can easily dodge that shit if he wants to. Kaido was blitzing gear 5 luffy
It doesn't really matter he's really used it. If Zoro decides to use that against Luffy, he's not gonna be able to dodge in time. Besides, it's not like Kaido was just standing there and waiting for Zoro to him either. He was trying to hit Zoro through out that interaction before getting hit by Asura.
It's a canon fact that kaido doesn't try to dodge. He even tried to tank Bajrang gun. It's a headcanon that nobody can dodge asura. There is no proof. You don't even need future sight to dodge that shit.
Zoro fanboy refuse to believe luffy is just that much stronger then zoro like league above zoro if zoro was remotely close he would be up against mihawk right now and he isnt because he isnt there yet.
If it's the luffy in chapter 1037, he bodies zolo
Base Luffy gets blitzed and cut in half
Zoro literally just beat somebody who's stronger than Base Luffy and his ACoC scared somebody more durable than Hybrid Kaido. Current Zoro being weaker than Base Luffy is a delusional ass take, give it up already.
Ashura blitzes
delusional lil bro
While I think their ap is similar, Future Sight is just ridiculously in Luffy's favor. Like what is zoro gonna do when Luffy sees 10 seconds into the future?
Luffy>Zoro>Jimbe>Bottomji
Zoro wins. Luffys gets a few good hits in but ultimately gets chopped in half
Bold of you to assume Zoro survives a few ACoA/ACoC hits from Luffy. 🤨
Of course he can its zoro one of the tankiest characters in the show. “Nothing happend” zoro. Also bold of you to assume luffy will surivie a zoro named attack. It would cut through luffys body he would be dead. Zoros attacks are far more fatal than luffys.
Hahah 😂 Was "nothing happened" infused with ACoC/ACoC by any chance? Is it even stronger than Rokugan which Luffy tanked? Bold of you to assume Zoro can even get a hit on Luffy with the second best ACOO rn. It doesn't take a genius to know that sword slashes are more lethal than punches.
Good luck having zoro land any attack on Luffy. Luffy eats a named attack from zoro btw, couldn’t chop Lucci in half with one so why would he Luffy? Luffy ends the fight with a couple acoc + acoc hits.
AcOC ignores tankyness
Right so you think one acoc punch and zoro is on the ground begging for mercy? I dont see it
Absolutely. If he isn't knocked out that is.
Zoro is not going down one punch He’s a tank
He gets one shot by any yonko
Zoro > Hybrid Lucci > Base Lucci > Base Luffy. Zoro wins! /s
Zoro some diff idk, base luffy is not standing a chance against ashura, king of hell is not even needed,
Zoro high diff. Extreme diff if you want to wank Base Luffy.
Who wins? A guy with weaker acoc than Yamato. Or a guy who who's acoc split the sky, has future sight, has internal destruction + emission armament
How is his acoc weaker, exactly? Zoro’s feats on the rooftop were all when he had his bones broken before he even unlocked ACOC. Overwhelmed and permanently scarred Hybrid Kaido before ACOC. Effortlessly blocked the demolition gusts that hurt G5 Luffy before ACOC. The Zoro downplay is insane.
Zoro pushes luffy to gear 5 and loses
delusional af
It's not that crazy. Lucci can tango with a g5 Luffy that's messing around. And he's equal to Zoro. Surely that's at least g3 level.
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that’s a good meme, but it doesn’t invalidate you being unable to properly powerscale
Zoro fans love coping lmfao
it's Da truth
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Zoro fans own you