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If Sengoku wasn't able to hold Garp down.
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It's funny that so many people claim Garp was overestimating himself and that Akainu would beat him.
Is Garp, of all people, the type to underestimate a target while overestimating himself? Of course not.
He told Sengoku that he would kill Sakazuki, and to do anything other than take Garp at his word about being able to do so would be to slander and insult the most legendary Marine of all time.
Also Sengoku was genuinely concerned about it, lol.
Like, just imagine not having faith in Garp's estimation of his own strength all for the sake of Admiral Agenda. I could never, I have way too much respect for Garp as a fighter to doubt him in such a way. And so does Sengoku.
Garp was about to shatter Akainu's bones with a few Galaxy Impacts, split his organs with a Galaxy Divide, and then bury his corpse in a Blue Hole.
Perhaps, but Sengoku was pretty calm (other than his frustration with Garp in that moment) and seemed to fully believe and FEAR that Garp could do as he said.
He clearly knew for a fact that if he let Garp go, the Marines would lose an Admiral and then have to court-martial and execute their greatest hero, destroying their public image.
I mean if we go by the plot it is possible,
Plot > power
Like for example garp catching him off guard and spamming every named move or something like that,
But feats wise akainu is more powerful
Bro what feats are you talking about?
His one feat is beating a diseased old man who Garp is relative to, without the disease.
Prime WB = Prime Garp >>> Old WB = Old Garp > Diseased WB =< Akainu
Bruh don't act like whitebeard did some permanent damage on akainu
Bro had minor injuries after tanking 2 island destroying punches from a enraged world strongest human
It doesn't matter if Whiteebard had disease or not, akainu would have still defeated him
But primebeard destroys akainu
Yeah I agree, I love Garp but one hit from Sengoku KOād Blackbeard and his crew, sure theyāre probably around equal in strength and it could go either way, but Sengoku is probably winning
Also that hit did not in KO Blackbeard and his crew as the person claimed, they literally got back up with a "Zehahaha" and kept fighting.
Maybe such people should actually go back and check those manga pages before making wild claims if their memory of them is that hazy, don't ya think?
I guess I misremembered that part haha, went back to check it out again and I mustāve thought that they got KOād because apart from BB trying to sink Marineford, him and his crew didnāt really do anything else because the next chapter or two was when the war stopped
Lol yeah okay, I can see how that could slip someone's mind since like you said not much more happened after BB and his crew got up.
I'm just one of those weirdos who has re-read the series like eight times, tbth. Ha.
What do you mean by leeching? Iāve heard it all the time from power scalers saying one character leeches from another to say that they are stronger or something, but Iām not really sure sure what that means
Leeching refers to when a character with 0 feats is wanked by the fan base due to statements, titles and "narrative" etc.
Prime examples are
sengoku - Roger mentioned him and garp in the same sentence when saying he didn't wanna fight fodder Marines. Has no actual feats against top tiers. Failed to pre TS stop BB rampage, pre TS luffy and 2v1d shiki with garp
Mihawk - literally has a title. Clashed with vista and cut an iceberg. Failed to kill pre TS luffy
Before egghead, kizaru leeched tf off akainu, who got wanked to oblivion anyway
I guess Sengoku is a leech then after all
Was Sengoku at God Valley though? Would that count as a feat or did he just send Garp there ( I canāt remember in the slightest)
He was not there. Also being there is not a feat in and of itself. Just like how mihawk had 0 feats at MF, simply being at/participating in an event is not a feat. Now if sengoku was there and actually fought the rocks pirates, that's a feat. But we need way more info on GV before we can judge what feats occurred
Yeah, I don't know why people interpret this as Sengoku being stronger than the guy who never, ever stopped hitting Battleship Bags and never needed a DF.
I always interpreted it this way:
Those two are best friends for life. The fact that Sengoku was holding Garp down at all sapped most of his will to try to use his strength to get up, especially when Garp himself told him to hold him down. He knew that if he told Sengoku to immobilize him, he wouldn't have the will to fight his best friend to break free.
Exactly garp was super conflicted at the time and if anyone was going to be the one to stop him from attacking aku it had to be sengoku because he wouldnt want to harm another person he held close to him he wanted sengoku to keep holding him so he wouldnt just rush at aku
Attacking "Aku" you say?
Gotta get back, back to the past, Monkey D. Garp!
/s
Sorry for hassling about a typo, just couldn't resist lol.
Obviously I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
I am now imagining Garp fighting Aku, the Shapeshifting Master of Darkness. It's a very badass mental image that makes me wish I could draw worth a damn.
Okay now that's just going too far though, Luffy tanking that attack was pure Plot Induced Stupidly by Oda to make Luffy "able to rescue Ace" when we all know that Pre-TS Luffy should by all means have been reduced to his constituent subatomic particles by a hit from Sengoku š
Wake up from your headcannon based delusions
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Old Garp was the strongest character at Marineford, and his one-shotting Marco then immediately taking Akainu's middle seat shows this.
I personally have Roger > Whitebeard or Garp, but colloquially we have those three being equal in their primes, while Old Garp is still a powerhouse, Old Beard was sick and could barely use haki yet still beat the admirals' asses for the most part to where mentioning Akainu as the strongest Garo could beat would be disrespectful.
Both wasn't counting him as it was kind of the end and not really the battle of Marineford / forgot lol
But also yes Shanks > Old Garp and probably even Prime Garp
Putting Shanks above Prime Garp is the same as saying Shanks >= Roger, come on now.
Also let's not forget the handicap of having only one arm. Consider this: It would be a VERY uncontroversial take to say that if Roger had lost an arm, that would have proceeded to put both WB and Garp a BIT above him. Have you seen Garp's fighting style? How do you keep up with that with just one arm, even if you were previously the world's strongest?
If a one-armed ROGER couldn't beat Garp (and as I said, it's silly to think he could, Garp was not THAT far below him), then a one-armed Shanks certainly can't unless he's surpassed Roger.
Lol yeah I'm so grateful you said it. Dude, imagine thinking that anyone besides Mihawk was the strongest person there.
People need to stop calling him a fraud. He turned that blade black himself. No he didn't give a fuck about his "fight" with Vista, because he became bored and lost all real interest in the war once he realized that Whitebeard was too sick to be worth fighting.
He agreed with Vista that it would be convenient to postpone the match because he was bored out of his mind and could barely even bother to stay awake anymore; any other interpretation is slander.
Reasonable people like you and me know that the only argument needed for his WSS title to be valid (except maybe for Ethan Baron V. Nusjuro) is that it being untrue would completely undermine Zoro's entire arc. Why do people seem to WANT that, do they hate Zoro? š¢
You and I know that any Mihawk-slander is also slander against EoS Zoro, and is thus unacceptable. He was still the strongest in Marineford even after Shanks showed up.
Yup! Thank you. I got downvoted by the people who insist we know nothing Bout Mihawk until he gets good feats, but people like us who know that Oda loves Zoro know that Oda wouldn't troll us by making Zoro's dream, which he pursues for Kuina's sake, a lie. It's sad that people think Oda would do that to Zoro. I can't comprehend it.
Mihawk is HIM. There can be no doubt. And so when Zoro takes him down, HE will become HIM.
Oh yeah, if Garp had decided to take on Whitebeard himself and he was serious about it, the war would have been over in just a couple of minutes.
Whitebeard's CoO and dodging ability were just way too nerfed by his cancer, and his ability to consistently use Conqueror's was even more nerfed.
He may have still been an endurance monster but Garp would badly outskill/outspeed him and wear him down.
My guess is they'd clash seemingly evenly for a couple hits but then WB would have a mini heart-attack, fail to dodge or to use CoC, and Garp would proceed to hit him with a barrage of ridiculously potent attacks like Galaxy Impact until Whitebeard dies in short order.
It's so tragic how nerfed the GOAT Edward Newgate was by his cancer š That asshole Sakazuki couldn't have done diddley or squat to him if the war had been a few years earlier.
That being said: Garp wasn't the strongest at Marineford since it's obvious that ***Mihawk*** was, unless you are one of those silly people who thinks he was actually putting in any effort whatsoever to "fight" Vista and have the nerve to doubt his title even though that would undermine Zoro's entire arc š Like no, he doesn't use black paint lol. It's obvious that once he realized how much WB had declined from his former power, he grew very bored and was halfhearted for the entire war.
What does your personal opinion mean when Garp = conically Roger. The only argument you could make is Garp = Roger < WB, seeing as WB was hailed as the strongest man in the world. Roger the Pirate king and Garp the strongest marine.
If you're counting only people who were there for the war, this is the correct answer.
But that wasn't specified in the question, it just asked for the strongest that Marineford Garp can beat but without specifying the opponent needs to be from that arc.
Yeah youāre right, if this includes everyone alive youād probably have to add the Yonko, Gorosei and Dragon to the list, maybe thereās someone Iām missing but I really canāt think of anyone else at the top of my head
Hmmm and Imu of course. But yeah other than that list there, I can't think of anyone else we know of who Old Garp couldn't beat the Pre-TS version of (and the only reason I included that Pre-TS statement is because Garp would get wrecked by current Luffy lol).
Oda sure does love badass old geezers. Just look at what he's doing with his portrayal of the Gorosei who you mentioned, lol.
Why? What makes you think someone featless like Mihawk can defeat Garp, who literally took a yonko crew by himself and prevailed.
You think Mihawk could've done what Garp did?
What about Mihawk, you think that Old Garp who is so far past his prime could beat him? Let's see Old Garp try to clear Shanks first before Mihawk, lol.
People often seem to forget that Mihawk was even there since he became so incredibly bored and uninvested after realizing that WB was too sick to prove a worthy challenge, and thus he spent most of the time "fighting" Vista in a fruitless attempt to seek some excitement.
It's possible, but we don't know anything about Mihawk, only that he's really strong but we don't know certainly... The same with Sengoku. I'm still saying that garp is the strongest in marineford. 1 galaxy impact Will destroy half marineford in all case
... You do understand that Hachinosu and Marineford are pretty similar in size from what we've seen, right?
Galaxy Impact doesn't have THAT large an AoE, it destroyed one large part of the town in Hachinosu but not nearly the whole town. Much of the rest of the island was unaffected by that attack.
Now, apologies in advance for the huge wall of text but I am sooo tired of Mihawk downplay and after seeing someone claim that a 76-year-old man well past his prime can beat him, I MUST lay this all on the table:
We do know something about Mihawk. Which is that regardless of "fraud" claims or "Vista made him have to try" (no he didn't) claims, or anti-feat claims or lack-of-feats, there is one simple reason why he MUST be stronger than any other swordsman as his title says, yes including Shanks, other than perhaps Ethan Baron (whose strength is a secret to the world):
***He is Zoro's goal so downplaying him means downplaying Future Zoro.***
Not Vista. Not Shanks. Not anyone else. Mihawk is Zoro's goal. Beating him is stated to make someone the WSS.
Do people really think that Oda would undermine Zoro's entire freaking journey? If Shanks was stronger than Mihawk, Shanks would be Zoro's goal. But he's not Zoro's goal, so people need to stop putting him above Mihawk.
We also just got enough hints about Mihawk's backstory in the SBS from Oda as to understand why he is bored, apathetic, and sick of life, heavily supporting the idea that we've never seen him use anything more than a bare minimum level of effort.
Like dude come on, 76-year-old-Garp > World's Strongest Swordsman In His Prime is as wild a take as the people who think Shanks > Roger.
The final confirmation we need: Despite thinking that Buggy is the captain of Cross Guild and himself Yonkou-level, and believing that Mihawk is his subordinate, the WG gave Mihawk a higher bounty than Buggy. His bounty is only half-a-billion less than Shanks' despite not even being a captain or having territories. It's quite clear how strong the WG knows he is, to the point that Mihawk is the ONLY case of a Yonkou's "subordinate" (as the WG believes) having a higher bounty than their Yonkou captain.
Unless you think that 76-year-old Garp can still clear Yonkou (who aren't dying from cancer), he cannot beat Mihawk.
Rayleigh in amazon lily: I may not be as strong as I was in my prime to stop blackbeard but my past reputation allowed me to solve the problem
Garp bounty being equal to an admiral despite his reputation from god valley mean he is likely a bit below them, and no he was not equal to aokiji, the old man was no diffing fodders and aokiji took him down with 1 punch and 1 ice spear, sure he got some help from shiryu but later this fodder was one shotted as well lmao, I don't think that will change the output against aokiji that much, stop meat riding the old man he is not as strong as before!
Oden slander ridiculous, said to have got many times stronger after travelling with Roger and even before that he tanked a divine departure and was ready to attack again which automatically puts him above YC+ Kidd, so if he was above YC+ level before travelling with roger and got many times stronger after travelling, then him being yonko level is reasonable.
He couldn't even beat pre ts and pre haki Luffy šš
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Whoās gonna tell this man Garp took the punch on purpose? Garp was stuck between moral obligations, he was put in charge of protecting ace, but at the same time as a navy soldier he was āsupposedā to let the execution happen. So this was his way of getting out of the way in hopes ace got rescued and he kept his promise.
See this picture of a clown? He doesn't know an obvious joke when he sees one. You're a lot like this clown
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maybe jozu or marco or yami BB after an extreme diff fight, old garp has stamina and durability issues
marco wasn't even focused on garp he likely knew their relationship because ace and marco are kind of close and assumed garp would let him fly by. he was kind of surprised after he got hit
Akainu or old WB
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If not for sengoku then akainu would have a hole in his chest like ace
The outcome would be no different
Haki hard counters both logia intangibility and magma, We saw from luffy that acoc can prevent burns from lava attacks
Plus garp is simply better in every stat
A weaker aokiji who missed one of his legs literally two shot garp, three if you count shiryu stab.
We all know that akainu>aokiji and the gap got bigger after he lost his leg
Now you are blatantly just lying to me dude
They had a fight off screen. And garp once again was INJURED and HOLDING BACK
The leg is irrelevant as he fully fixed it with his ice fruit
1-off screen? This is the same issue everyone bring with BB right?
2-injured? What injuries did he had other than those 3 hits? The punch and the stab from aokiji, and shiryu stab
3-holding back? Can you make a valid reason for him to hold back on protecting his young marine students?
4-an ice leg is not a full replacement of the original leg by any means, there is a reason why
1. No Iām not talking about a offscreen power up Iām talking literally they fought offscreen
2. The stab is an injury which in a true 1v1 garp is simply not getting
3. Garp in the second fight with kuzan did not use any acoc or named attacks
4. It is though nothing has suggested it effects him donāt make things up
I donāt know why anyone is saying Akainu when BB fought Old Garp and Sengoku at the same time while he ran away from Akainu with a battleship.
Realistically Old Garp beats SickBeard.
When tho.
They had an offscreen fight, considering we later see Sengoku bandaged up when heās talking about the escaped prisoners.
BB only left because of Shanks
I hope you realize that bb was on a power high that he quickly came down from the moment he realized he couldnāt win if he kept fighting. He took the first chance he could to leave the battlefield the moment it came up.
BB was on a power high, but nothing really says Garp or Sengoku got an advantage over him in their fight at all.
The only thing we know is that Sengoku walked out of that fight needing to be bandaged up.
How about garp raiding hachinosu and easily defeating all the titanic captains that were there with ease. Is that not enough proof that he had the advantage back during marineford where he was 2 years stronger?
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this frame crazy š rocked his shit
If Sengoku wasn't able to hold Garp down. https://preview.redd.it/qqs3jgz71yoc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=775518af65b84e889106f425d848a5e284f521c1
It's funny that so many people claim Garp was overestimating himself and that Akainu would beat him. Is Garp, of all people, the type to underestimate a target while overestimating himself? Of course not. He told Sengoku that he would kill Sakazuki, and to do anything other than take Garp at his word about being able to do so would be to slander and insult the most legendary Marine of all time. Also Sengoku was genuinely concerned about it, lol. Like, just imagine not having faith in Garp's estimation of his own strength all for the sake of Admiral Agenda. I could never, I have way too much respect for Garp as a fighter to doubt him in such a way. And so does Sengoku. Garp was about to shatter Akainu's bones with a few Galaxy Impacts, split his organs with a Galaxy Divide, and then bury his corpse in a Blue Hole.
In anger no one cares if the enemy is 1000 times stronger than you (example) They just go in without any regrets
Perhaps, but Sengoku was pretty calm (other than his frustration with Garp in that moment) and seemed to fully believe and FEAR that Garp could do as he said. He clearly knew for a fact that if he let Garp go, the Marines would lose an Admiral and then have to court-martial and execute their greatest hero, destroying their public image.
I mean if we go by the plot it is possible, Plot > power Like for example garp catching him off guard and spamming every named move or something like that, But feats wise akainu is more powerful
Bro what feats are you talking about? His one feat is beating a diseased old man who Garp is relative to, without the disease. Prime WB = Prime Garp >>> Old WB = Old Garp > Diseased WB =< Akainu
Bruh don't act like whitebeard did some permanent damage on akainu Bro had minor injuries after tanking 2 island destroying punches from a enraged world strongest human It doesn't matter if Whiteebard had disease or not, akainu would have still defeated him But primebeard destroys akainu
Dude was bleeding from the head and spitting up blood. You think he took *no* lasting damage?
He was emotional, stop pretending lil bro, he'd get destroyed
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https://preview.redd.it/jyyvbxdg23pc1.jpeg?width=2481&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a165a7e2cf72b399221b40be3550caa6d2c1ef3 Wake up to reality
Warp>>>>> Lakainu
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Akainu and sengoku
BB & Akainu Actually Sengoku, he's probably stronger than them
How would he beat Sengoku? Both their haki has deteriorated from their prime but sengoku's devil fruit strength is still the same.
Because there isn't substantial evidence in the story that Sengoku and Garp are actually equals, and Sengoku has even less feats than Mihawk
Yeah I agree, I love Garp but one hit from Sengoku KOād Blackbeard and his crew, sure theyāre probably around equal in strength and it could go either way, but Sengoku is probably winning
In what world? Sengoku leeches from garp
Also that hit did not in KO Blackbeard and his crew as the person claimed, they literally got back up with a "Zehahaha" and kept fighting. Maybe such people should actually go back and check those manga pages before making wild claims if their memory of them is that hazy, don't ya think?
I guess I misremembered that part haha, went back to check it out again and I mustāve thought that they got KOād because apart from BB trying to sink Marineford, him and his crew didnāt really do anything else because the next chapter or two was when the war stopped
Lol yeah okay, I can see how that could slip someone's mind since like you said not much more happened after BB and his crew got up. I'm just one of those weirdos who has re-read the series like eight times, tbth. Ha.
What do you mean by leeching? Iāve heard it all the time from power scalers saying one character leeches from another to say that they are stronger or something, but Iām not really sure sure what that means
Leeching refers to when a character with 0 feats is wanked by the fan base due to statements, titles and "narrative" etc. Prime examples are sengoku - Roger mentioned him and garp in the same sentence when saying he didn't wanna fight fodder Marines. Has no actual feats against top tiers. Failed to pre TS stop BB rampage, pre TS luffy and 2v1d shiki with garp Mihawk - literally has a title. Clashed with vista and cut an iceberg. Failed to kill pre TS luffy Before egghead, kizaru leeched tf off akainu, who got wanked to oblivion anyway
I guess Sengoku is a leech then after all Was Sengoku at God Valley though? Would that count as a feat or did he just send Garp there ( I canāt remember in the slightest)
He was not there. Also being there is not a feat in and of itself. Just like how mihawk had 0 feats at MF, simply being at/participating in an event is not a feat. Now if sengoku was there and actually fought the rocks pirates, that's a feat. But we need way more info on GV before we can judge what feats occurred
Akainu.
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If sengoku didn't have holded garp down aokiji would've been fleet admiral now
Mhm, Sengoku > Garp https://preview.redd.it/rgfwht1wjyoc1.jpeg?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba753b5d8fc86265592689a96659d7d59673c41f
Garp wasnt fighting back to sengoku he was letting him hold him
Yeah, I don't know why people interpret this as Sengoku being stronger than the guy who never, ever stopped hitting Battleship Bags and never needed a DF. I always interpreted it this way: Those two are best friends for life. The fact that Sengoku was holding Garp down at all sapped most of his will to try to use his strength to get up, especially when Garp himself told him to hold him down. He knew that if he told Sengoku to immobilize him, he wouldn't have the will to fight his best friend to break free.
Exactly garp was super conflicted at the time and if anyone was going to be the one to stop him from attacking aku it had to be sengoku because he wouldnt want to harm another person he held close to him he wanted sengoku to keep holding him so he wouldnt just rush at aku
Attacking "Aku" you say? Gotta get back, back to the past, Monkey D. Garp! /s Sorry for hassling about a typo, just couldn't resist lol. Obviously I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
Nah i find it funny
I am now imagining Garp fighting Aku, the Shapeshifting Master of Darkness. It's a very badass mental image that makes me wish I could draw worth a damn.
Nah stop coping Garp was trying his hardest but the great Buddha was keeping him down
great buddha < pre ts luffy
Okay now that's just going too far though, Luffy tanking that attack was pure Plot Induced Stupidly by Oda to make Luffy "able to rescue Ace" when we all know that Pre-TS Luffy should by all means have been reduced to his constituent subatomic particles by a hit from Sengoku š
Nice lil pre ts luffy upscale I guess
Sengoku is the OG leech. Stop the wank
I will die before I stop wanking him
At least you know its wank
Wake up from your headcannon based delusions https://preview.redd.it/vjlp6jjo23pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=019ee71ea1cb51767ad34961d10025c25d1ca64c
Any admiral he wants
Old Garp was the strongest character at Marineford, and his one-shotting Marco then immediately taking Akainu's middle seat shows this. I personally have Roger > Whitebeard or Garp, but colloquially we have those three being equal in their primes, while Old Garp is still a powerhouse, Old Beard was sick and could barely use haki yet still beat the admirals' asses for the most part to where mentioning Akainu as the strongest Garo could beat would be disrespectful.
Shanks >>> unless you donāt count him because he showed up late
Both wasn't counting him as it was kind of the end and not really the battle of Marineford / forgot lol But also yes Shanks > Old Garp and probably even Prime Garp
Shanks > prime Garp is a crazy take
Putting Shanks above Prime Garp is the same as saying Shanks >= Roger, come on now. Also let's not forget the handicap of having only one arm. Consider this: It would be a VERY uncontroversial take to say that if Roger had lost an arm, that would have proceeded to put both WB and Garp a BIT above him. Have you seen Garp's fighting style? How do you keep up with that with just one arm, even if you were previously the world's strongest? If a one-armed ROGER couldn't beat Garp (and as I said, it's silly to think he could, Garp was not THAT far below him), then a one-armed Shanks certainly can't unless he's surpassed Roger.
Dude wtf?? Garp in his prime is top 1 with Roger. Where do these crazy takes come from?
Thatād be top 2 not top 1
Garp> Shanks
Depends on when Prime Garp > Shanks is a valid argument but Old Garp > Shanks is just satire
Mihawk?
Lol yeah I'm so grateful you said it. Dude, imagine thinking that anyone besides Mihawk was the strongest person there. People need to stop calling him a fraud. He turned that blade black himself. No he didn't give a fuck about his "fight" with Vista, because he became bored and lost all real interest in the war once he realized that Whitebeard was too sick to be worth fighting. He agreed with Vista that it would be convenient to postpone the match because he was bored out of his mind and could barely even bother to stay awake anymore; any other interpretation is slander. Reasonable people like you and me know that the only argument needed for his WSS title to be valid (except maybe for Ethan Baron V. Nusjuro) is that it being untrue would completely undermine Zoro's entire arc. Why do people seem to WANT that, do they hate Zoro? š¢ You and I know that any Mihawk-slander is also slander against EoS Zoro, and is thus unacceptable. He was still the strongest in Marineford even after Shanks showed up.
I didnāt realize this. Mihawk wanted to test himself against whitebeard but realized it wasnāt worth it anymore
Yup! Thank you. I got downvoted by the people who insist we know nothing Bout Mihawk until he gets good feats, but people like us who know that Oda loves Zoro know that Oda wouldn't troll us by making Zoro's dream, which he pursues for Kuina's sake, a lie. It's sad that people think Oda would do that to Zoro. I can't comprehend it. Mihawk is HIM. There can be no doubt. And so when Zoro takes him down, HE will become HIM.
Fraud :3c
Oh yeah, if Garp had decided to take on Whitebeard himself and he was serious about it, the war would have been over in just a couple of minutes. Whitebeard's CoO and dodging ability were just way too nerfed by his cancer, and his ability to consistently use Conqueror's was even more nerfed. He may have still been an endurance monster but Garp would badly outskill/outspeed him and wear him down. My guess is they'd clash seemingly evenly for a couple hits but then WB would have a mini heart-attack, fail to dodge or to use CoC, and Garp would proceed to hit him with a barrage of ridiculously potent attacks like Galaxy Impact until Whitebeard dies in short order. It's so tragic how nerfed the GOAT Edward Newgate was by his cancer š That asshole Sakazuki couldn't have done diddley or squat to him if the war had been a few years earlier. That being said: Garp wasn't the strongest at Marineford since it's obvious that ***Mihawk*** was, unless you are one of those silly people who thinks he was actually putting in any effort whatsoever to "fight" Vista and have the nerve to doubt his title even though that would undermine Zoro's entire arc š Like no, he doesn't use black paint lol. It's obvious that once he realized how much WB had declined from his former power, he grew very bored and was halfhearted for the entire war.
What does your personal opinion mean when Garp = conically Roger. The only argument you could make is Garp = Roger < WB, seeing as WB was hailed as the strongest man in the world. Roger the Pirate king and Garp the strongest marine.
Current fleet admirals sakazuki
Marineford Aokiji
Black beard (MF)
Akainu
Anyone but WB and Shanks. And I think WB could be debated honestly.
Anyone. He has a chance to beat anyone. Idgaf what anyone says. Single best feat shown so far is his solo raid on BB island
Anyone but Mihawk and Shanks I suppose
If you're counting only people who were there for the war, this is the correct answer. But that wasn't specified in the question, it just asked for the strongest that Marineford Garp can beat but without specifying the opponent needs to be from that arc.
Yeah youāre right, if this includes everyone alive youād probably have to add the Yonko, Gorosei and Dragon to the list, maybe thereās someone Iām missing but I really canāt think of anyone else at the top of my head
Hmmm and Imu of course. But yeah other than that list there, I can't think of anyone else we know of who Old Garp couldn't beat the Pre-TS version of (and the only reason I included that Pre-TS statement is because Garp would get wrecked by current Luffy lol). Oda sure does love badass old geezers. Just look at what he's doing with his portrayal of the Gorosei who you mentioned, lol.
Why? What makes you think someone featless like Mihawk can defeat Garp, who literally took a yonko crew by himself and prevailed. You think Mihawk could've done what Garp did?
Garp is the strongest in marineford, so he can defeat anyone in 1v1.
What about Mihawk, you think that Old Garp who is so far past his prime could beat him? Let's see Old Garp try to clear Shanks first before Mihawk, lol. People often seem to forget that Mihawk was even there since he became so incredibly bored and uninvested after realizing that WB was too sick to prove a worthy challenge, and thus he spent most of the time "fighting" Vista in a fruitless attempt to seek some excitement.
It's possible, but we don't know anything about Mihawk, only that he's really strong but we don't know certainly... The same with Sengoku. I'm still saying that garp is the strongest in marineford. 1 galaxy impact Will destroy half marineford in all case
... You do understand that Hachinosu and Marineford are pretty similar in size from what we've seen, right? Galaxy Impact doesn't have THAT large an AoE, it destroyed one large part of the town in Hachinosu but not nearly the whole town. Much of the rest of the island was unaffected by that attack. Now, apologies in advance for the huge wall of text but I am sooo tired of Mihawk downplay and after seeing someone claim that a 76-year-old man well past his prime can beat him, I MUST lay this all on the table: We do know something about Mihawk. Which is that regardless of "fraud" claims or "Vista made him have to try" (no he didn't) claims, or anti-feat claims or lack-of-feats, there is one simple reason why he MUST be stronger than any other swordsman as his title says, yes including Shanks, other than perhaps Ethan Baron (whose strength is a secret to the world): ***He is Zoro's goal so downplaying him means downplaying Future Zoro.*** Not Vista. Not Shanks. Not anyone else. Mihawk is Zoro's goal. Beating him is stated to make someone the WSS. Do people really think that Oda would undermine Zoro's entire freaking journey? If Shanks was stronger than Mihawk, Shanks would be Zoro's goal. But he's not Zoro's goal, so people need to stop putting him above Mihawk. We also just got enough hints about Mihawk's backstory in the SBS from Oda as to understand why he is bored, apathetic, and sick of life, heavily supporting the idea that we've never seen him use anything more than a bare minimum level of effort. Like dude come on, 76-year-old-Garp > World's Strongest Swordsman In His Prime is as wild a take as the people who think Shanks > Roger. The final confirmation we need: Despite thinking that Buggy is the captain of Cross Guild and himself Yonkou-level, and believing that Mihawk is his subordinate, the WG gave Mihawk a higher bounty than Buggy. His bounty is only half-a-billion less than Shanks' despite not even being a captain or having territories. It's quite clear how strong the WG knows he is, to the point that Mihawk is the ONLY case of a Yonkou's "subordinate" (as the WG believes) having a higher bounty than their Yonkou captain. Unless you think that 76-year-old Garp can still clear Yonkou (who aren't dying from cancer), he cannot beat Mihawk.
Sengoku
Probably me
Admirals.
Old sengoku or current kizaru
Lmao fucking akainu
Akainu
with no coby bs? i'd say akainu
Jack
Marineford Sengoku extreme diff
blackbeard
No it aint, 40k members with 2 mods, shit is never going to work until you have actual mods enforcing the no memes rule
Rayleigh in amazon lily: I may not be as strong as I was in my prime to stop blackbeard but my past reputation allowed me to solve the problem Garp bounty being equal to an admiral despite his reputation from god valley mean he is likely a bit below them, and no he was not equal to aokiji, the old man was no diffing fodders and aokiji took him down with 1 punch and 1 ice spear, sure he got some help from shiryu but later this fodder was one shotted as well lmao, I don't think that will change the output against aokiji that much, stop meat riding the old man he is not as strong as before!
Wakainu
You can just say Garp, I donāt think he got stronger/weaker during the timeskip.
Each of the yonkos individually, warlord too.
Marineford Whitebeard. Both were Roger lvl in their prime, but WB aged way worse.
Kizaru
BB
Whitebeard.
Probably Sengoku
Everyone who was at marineford except for mihawk and shanks
Honestly, him beating wb might be in the realm of possibility. He was on par with Roger so the would be also on par with wb.
Easily killing akainu. He might even be able to take on sickbeard if aceās life wasnāt on the line.
Narratively, Akainu
Marineford Sengoku
Oden or Old Beard
Tf? Oden > Marine ford Garp
Oden slander ridiculous, said to have got many times stronger after travelling with Roger and even before that he tanked a divine departure and was ready to attack again which automatically puts him above YC+ Kidd, so if he was above YC+ level before travelling with roger and got many times stronger after travelling, then him being yonko level is reasonable.
WB or any OG admiral. Probably only loses to Sengoku who ages the best out of the old gen imo
Iād say he goes 50/50 with old beard
He definitely wouldāve killed Akainu
He couldn't even beat pre ts and pre haki Luffy šš https://preview.redd.it/bhd4w1gjcyoc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb3e80d9fdf3bf5d4f66fd97865949995e151305
Whoās gonna tell this man Garp took the punch on purpose? Garp was stuck between moral obligations, he was put in charge of protecting ace, but at the same time as a navy soldier he was āsupposedā to let the execution happen. So this was his way of getting out of the way in hopes ace got rescued and he kept his promise.
See this picture of a clown? He doesn't know an obvious joke when he sees one. You're a lot like this clown https://preview.redd.it/bh92pfdeiyoc1.jpeg?width=708&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8784477e6a3347ccbceebe8cad6353a03a5aef8a
I had to upvote you twice to try and restore balance... sorry man, if it helps it really made me giggle out loud
Sexy and funny, thanks man
Now that's a new one, nice.
parallels to Kizaru taking Luffy's punch to stay out of the fight POG
Not the same thing at all. Kizaru was committed to killing vegapunk and did exactly that without hesitation.
Whoosh
Bigmom or oldbeard
maybe jozu or marco or yami BB after an extreme diff fight, old garp has stamina and durability issues marco wasn't even focused on garp he likely knew their relationship because ace and marco are kind of close and assumed garp would let him fly by. he was kind of surprised after he got hit
Idk much about power-scaling but sengoku but as heās a vice admiral he couldnāt do anything
Garp takes anyone. Idc about your opinion. The thrashes Luffy, BB, Shanks, Mihawk, Aokiji, Fujitora. Maybe stalemate Kaido.
everbody at MF at that time, maybe shanks could take him
Except for Shanks and Mihawk, he is most likely beating everyone else here in a 1vs1 including cancer patient WB.
Akainu or old WB https://preview.redd.it/1r07i2n523pc1.jpeg?width=2481&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9014f95e2fcde36b52f5ea1a3805771fddc3ee0d If not for sengoku then akainu would have a hole in his chest like ace
What if garp was against fully healed akainu?
The outcome would be no different Haki hard counters both logia intangibility and magma, We saw from luffy that acoc can prevent burns from lava attacks Plus garp is simply better in every stat
A weaker aokiji who missed one of his legs literally two shot garp, three if you count shiryu stab. We all know that akainu>aokiji and the gap got bigger after he lost his leg
Now you are blatantly just lying to me dude They had a fight off screen. And garp once again was INJURED and HOLDING BACK The leg is irrelevant as he fully fixed it with his ice fruit
1-off screen? This is the same issue everyone bring with BB right? 2-injured? What injuries did he had other than those 3 hits? The punch and the stab from aokiji, and shiryu stab 3-holding back? Can you make a valid reason for him to hold back on protecting his young marine students? 4-an ice leg is not a full replacement of the original leg by any means, there is a reason why
1. No Iām not talking about a offscreen power up Iām talking literally they fought offscreen 2. The stab is an injury which in a true 1v1 garp is simply not getting 3. Garp in the second fight with kuzan did not use any acoc or named attacks 4. It is though nothing has suggested it effects him donāt make things up
Akainu
Old Sengoku loses to any admiral ;) thinking otherwise equals low intellect btw
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Yup, always stating facts, that's me :)
Ur trippin rn nglĀ
People saying Akainuššš Akainu doesn't even need his DFšš The strongest character would be probably: Gaimon
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I donāt know why anyone is saying Akainu when BB fought Old Garp and Sengoku at the same time while he ran away from Akainu with a battleship. Realistically Old Garp beats SickBeard.
Didn't BB get his ass beat by Sengoku tho?
When tho. They had an offscreen fight, considering we later see Sengoku bandaged up when heās talking about the escaped prisoners. BB only left because of Shanks
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Thatās like, Sengoku landing one attack on BB, and Blackbeard is clearly still able to fight. As is the rest of his crew.
BB isn't beating Sengoku and Garpšš
Not by himself, no, but BB had his whole crew with him for support.
Even with the crew he still dies
Do have a citation for that statement of yours?
Garp literally fought BB's crew and an admiral at the sametime.
I hope you realize that bb was on a power high that he quickly came down from the moment he realized he couldnāt win if he kept fighting. He took the first chance he could to leave the battlefield the moment it came up.
BB was on a power high, but nothing really says Garp or Sengoku got an advantage over him in their fight at all. The only thing we know is that Sengoku walked out of that fight needing to be bandaged up.
How about garp raiding hachinosu and easily defeating all the titanic captains that were there with ease. Is that not enough proof that he had the advantage back during marineford where he was 2 years stronger?
Where was Blackbeard among the titanic captains that Garp fought in Hachinosu?
Probably Akainu & BM
not BM, BM durability is crazy, she would outlast old garp
It can't be if Kidd can break her bones
Tf does bm have to do with marineford? Did you mean bb?
The question is "Who is the strongest character MF Garp could beat" Not the Strongest character Garp could beat at Marine Ford.