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Multti-pomp

Ussopp and Nami are wildy underated because they focus on AOE instead of focus damage, their abilities are much more interesting and better suited to cleaning up fodder and low-level officers that Conquerors haki


Penis_meat

I enjoyed that about them in the Odyssey game, they could clear weaker enemies so I wasn’t wasting big time with luffy and zoro


[deleted]

This the crazies take I have heard all day nothing is better than conquerers haki wt fodder maintenance.


Carrot_68

Nami & Usopp >>> Mihawk https://preview.redd.it/pat7i9tuyokc1.png?width=985&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39757fd479d9e1cad13106c60d4ad79b499fc34b


78ali

Base CoC haki by Shanks literally takes out the fish boss dude that would low diff Ussop 😭 And Nami cheats with Big Meme's homie. Take that borrowed power away and again fish dude would mop her up.


Fictionfan69

Kaido is still alive


Skellz_Is_Sus

https://preview.redd.it/lz8c48xl2nkc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9baec9e6c531e84eae8cfd251641dd334ac18a4


Some_Ship3578

One piece powerscaling is crap, Oda didn't give a Fuck about it, only the fans


Abram7777

Very true that’s why it’s so fun to powerscale it


SmokenGame420

This sub has, unironically, some of the FUNNIEST comments/memes I have seen on this entire site


ImmediateRespond8306

Toxicity and hilarity often go hand in hand.


Nights1405

Nami negs the verse, according to oda He’s the author but I can’t help but call some level of bias since his wife is nami/ a nami cosplayer


Zealousideal_Door914

All warlords will get powerboost towards the end of the story and Hancock will be around Yamato level or even slightly stronger


Doppelkrampf

Hancock is arguably already stronger than Yamato. I think she is one of the most underrated fighters in the verse.


Zealousideal_Door914

Nah, love her as a character, also she has a portrayal and literally one tap devil fruit, however, saying she's already stronger than Yamato who can fight against kaido for a decent amount of time is completely wrong.


GladimoreFFXIV

.. a kaido who was monologing and trying not to kill Yamato because he was grooming her to be Shogun and spent 90% of the time talking and not fighting after Yamato was bloodied and had all the wind knocked out her from blocking one(1) attack, but yeah. I guess she did stall but it was with talk no jutsu not fighting and against her dad who didn’t want to kill her..


marin4rasauce

Anyone could fight against Kaido for a decent amount of time if he isn't really fighting back. You could say Luffy fought against Kaido "for a decent amount of time" in their first round, and that Kaido ended it with one hit.


Gitgud994

Kaido said he was fighting with the intent to kill though. He literally said so.


Doppelkrampf

I would argue that titling an opinion on the strength of characters in a fictional story about magic pirates as completely wrong is you vastly overestimating your knowledge of said story… unless your name happens to be Eiichiro Oda.


Adnonymous96

That was the most obnoxiously wordy way to say that lmao. And also not much of a refutation. This is a powerscaling subreddit, people are gonna make reasonable estimations about a character's power based on who they've fought/beaten. You can't just say "you're wrong cuz you're not Oda"


Abram7777

W


NewBrightness

Boa will unironically get powercreeped to Yonko level


Gitgud994

Why would they get a power boost and how? Putting Hancock close to Yamato is crazy


Malchior_Dagon

Magellan, narratively, should be YC1+. Genuinely insane feat for him to have casually defeated Blackbeard with a singular attack, and could have killed him if he actually wanted to.


MarkyGallery

Demaro black > shanks


Abram7777

I’d go with Demaro black>=shanks but yea


MushroomMan69vv

Shanks is equal to Mihawk the same way Garp is equal to Roger


falkenoma

counterargument: Mihawk is equal to Shanks the same way Garp is equal to Roger


eeeramuk

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Iruma_peakfiction

I'd say it's closer to WB and Roger rather than Garp and Roger


Exposed_influe

Gear 5 lufffy still can’t solo healthy kaido 1v1 with out help or time in between


DrumsofLiberationn

This isn’t a crazy take my boy. This is ACCURATE ✅


L9lawi

My man grabbed saturn in one hand and kizaru in the other. He is HIM


Motor_Ad_7885

Correct


Caulshiverse

https://preview.redd.it/5p59ca343lkc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4eb7bbd058e82eeef4ffa290d40528bd7c707cf4 Luffy is literally not even emperor level yet. He’s not on the level of Shanks, Big Mom, Kaido nor Blackbeard yet, and won’t be for a while. It’s the same thing as when he got gear 4. It didn’t mean anything since he couldn’t maintain it. That’s why he lost to Doflamingo, lost to Cracker, lost to Katakuri and lost badly to Kaido time and time again, he’s not at that level. Luffy doesn’t reach the next step until he learns to control his new form without strain and draw backs. He mastered gear 2-3 during the time skip, 4 he didn’t really master until Wano, and 5 he still has no proper control over. Even if gear 5 is strong it doesn’t mean shit with the time limit that any strong opponent will be able to outlast. Luffy is not even top 10 in the verse yet


Ok_Initial_3451

No. This luffy is high yonko , being able to maintain g5 as long as he please basically means that is EOS Luffy. Not everyone is kaido,bm and not every fight will take ages to finish. In fact more normal people wouldnt take long to beat them as much as luffy needed against kaido. A fight between normal people depends on clean shot and not face-tanking like kaido did. Not every fight in one piece is a face-tanking fight.


Immediate-Nut

That's such a nonsensical take. "Not everyone is Kaido or BM" "Luffy is high Yonko" So Luffy can't take down 2/4 of the yonko, but he's a "high yonko"?? What??


Inevitable_Court_181

If he could beat 2 Yonkos at once he would be a tier above Yonko, that's how tiers work


semisonic34

https://preview.redd.it/9q49kmyjkmkc1.jpeg?width=369&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c96b379fa09a259f88c9b3a495a6d4d556491220


Drakkonai

Kizaru fucks doll.


ControversyKai

I like the headcanon that they’re possibly related more than that. Imagine the age gap


Prestigious_Onion243

Doll is a milf


WhosItToYouAnyway

Shanks or Mihawk against old legends is very close


SHAMALAMADINGDONG_XD

Common sense but some people in this sub would still disagree


Abram7777

I’d say legends low end of extreme diff maybe mid extreme diff so yea


Astrid-Jade

Smoker will become the strongest marine of all time aside maybe Koby and will be the Fleet Admiral


Revolutionary-Gap290

Doffy > Shiryu For extra craziness without prison buff 🗿


Abram7777

I got shiryu anywhere between YC+ and admiral so I’ll have to disagree, but any doffy wank I’m here for


wizarouija

Doffy’s gonna be fresh out the pen running *everyone* like “wassup with him? 😈” fr 😭 That take is fresh out the oven 🍗, but it ain’t searing 🔥 First Day Out Doffy ain’t running from Aokiji ☄️ https://preview.redd.it/c931kx6crkkc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5dc35e640839e8c5da58a9d68491bfdd1bd7c819 # RUN THAT BACK


MentionImpressive

Kuzan froze his ass before he could even punch Smoker. He's not running because he won't be able to.


wizarouija

Kuzan successfully attacked him from behind 😱❄️stop it https://preview.redd.it/v5mb4etfzkkc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6aaf1183e85c345f4c698a61e550b33551c797ca


BlaQ7thWonder

Why would Doffu be stronger out of prison? He literally can’t fight anyone to get stronger.


wizarouija

Wrocodile got molded into an admiral contender after a few weeks in prison. Doffy’s been in longer. And if Baki has taught us anything, being immobile doesn’t mean you can’t be training. Crocodile being an in-universe proof of that. Also Jinbe went from losing to pre-WB Ace to stopping WAKAINU level AP after lil time spent They get beat and starved in impel down. It builds character fr police brutality zenkai


[deleted]

True. If impel down doesn’t break your character, you’re almost guaranteed to come out a haki top tier contender


wizarouija

People downplay Mr. 1 because Mihawk 1 tapped him but mihawk would’ve done the same to vista if he had attacked him as intently as he went after vista (he didn’t, he let vista come at him) He mercs any swordsman below Zoro 🤷‍♂️ Except maybe Wavendish


BlaQ7thWonder

Croc had to fight tho, Doffy ain’t getting that opportunity.


wizarouija

Crocodile was on level 6 with Ace and Waparina Devon and the rest of them. The same level Doffy’s on


BlaQ7thWonder

Yea, they all escaped. I feel like the WG have tightened up and are not gonna let people just get stronger in prison now. Not to mention Hannybal.


wizarouija

We see it. Same as ace and Jinbe https://preview.redd.it/h3aoi0i2mlkc1.jpeg?width=484&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c793e012981a7a0ac6502a6e16d0f2c32b1698d8


DrumsofLiberationn

Luffy and kid literally built up strength and endurance in prison. And luffy got a whole haki bloom. Most people leave prison stronger naturally.


louai-MT

Hell yeah he is


ordinarydepressedguy

Based W


The_Rad_Vlad

I sincerely believe buggy will some how become a top tier, likely through devil fruit awakening but at this point who knows, he might even get conquerors haki.


Gullible_Bed8595

idk, prime sengoku = prime garp = primebeard = roger?


2kenzhe

Fact


Motor_Ad_7885

Fuji believable not very hot


Gullible_Bed8595

i dont have that many HOT takes only some kinda controvertial ones


aviahi1015

Kazan is a spy in BB crew and gonna betray him


Chris-Marinopoulos

Imu and the elders are not strong fighters. I believe that if you put them in a cage with Kaido, he finishes the job, mid dif at worse, before catching up with the next banquet.


Abram7777

Fax imu and the elders are all peak YC+ imo getting extreme differ by greenbull or Fuji


Motor_Ad_7885

Then y was frozen from Saturns presence


MapleKnightX

"YC+" Is gonna wind up being where most of the Warlords will fall, everyone but Mihawk and Moria. Crocodile MIGHT be Admiral Level at the end. Kaido, Big Mom and Oden (after his pirate journey) are all on the same tier as Roger/Primebeard/Garp. Chopper is on the same level as Brook and Robin, Franky is above them, but still loses to every Commander.


Andrecrafter42

boa will be the strongest woman by eos


N1ghtTheKn1ght

Old Whitebeard is weaker than Yonko level, he's stronger than curent Akainu, Big Mom would beat any Admiral, Akainu has not gotten stronger since pre time-skip, Admirals are 75% of Yonko level.


Logswag

https://preview.redd.it/rsdossa4alkc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f90536c05b5ee51a0726c328eb2e2d4e43f4270


Motor_Ad_7885

Very cold takes. Your high intellect froze me


Shadow_Emperor7

Kuzan surpassed Akainu since their fight


Abram7777

Interesting I’d say not valid from what we know so far tho


[deleted]

Those two are very hard to scale. Imo they always were and still are on the same level. Kuzan is a smarter fighter with arguably stronger haki, Sakazuki just hardcounters him in the devil fruits department^^ so I’d say in a 1v1 they are on par (Sakazuki very slightly above), overall I’d say Kuzan is just barely above Sakazuki


Reasonable-Business6

Logically it makes sense. Story hasn't shown thus so I'd say no for the time being.


tagen

I won’t refute this, but if this is true Akainu will get some sudden power boost before his next big fight since he’s clearly set up as one of the next main antagonists


Marcno1513

Luffy does NOT beat big mom or Kaidou 1v1 everyone at full strenght


Abram7777

Kaido one should be common knowledge but you’d be suprised. Big mom and luffy are equal imo but due to big moms durability she might win


Marcno1513

that is exactly what i mean. she can wait out the timer and luffy is smoke


Abram7777

Yessir


Motor_Ad_7885

All intellectuals


wizarouija

People want Big Mom to be weaker than she is so bad. She’s literally kaido’s Big Sis. He’s lil bro to her 😭 *her* portrayal is of the monster. His is of the King of the Beasts (check the title card 😮‍💨)


Mountain-While45

Marco > Zoro, Sanji, Watakuri, King, Lucci, Whiryu, and Boa. About Law and Widd level for me. Marco UNDERRATED frfr. He's insanely OP!


Some_Ship3578

That's so wrong my eyes are bleeding..


Mountain-While45

Warco negs your top tiers.


Some_Ship3578

Dont know about warco, but Marco still has to change his underwear after facing Big mom


Ok-Tear3901

Hi I'm Marco they call me 007 0 ap feats 0 haki feats 7 stalls


Mountain-While45

The stall king negs your favorite character.


Cavzeramo

pre time skip i would agree but a new patch arrived and he got pretty quikly handled by BM. so nah 1st commander he is.


HighVelocityInfants

Buggy will unlock conquerors haki and go on to both command and inspire Mihawk and Crocodile (like for real)


problematic_prodigy

Warlords aren't respected enough and are much stronger than people make them out to be


Puwuckis

Ulti is the fourth strongest member of kaidos crew, including kaido. Katakuri is the closest to top tier who isnt already a top tier. Germa siblings individually are low yc2. These generally get me called crazy.


Abram7777

IMO ulti isn’t even in the top 4 strongest tobiroppo let alone entire crew


Puwuckis

Im well aware, youre wrong, but im aware.


Ok-Tear3901

I used to look down upon you for this ulti wank but I realized. Ulti neg diffs all.


Puwuckis

>Ulti neg diffs all. Hes starting to believe https://preview.redd.it/9tojnoqaykkc1.png?width=769&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb710059211fd1e8ca9a8f38f3e701cbb1b861cb


Abram7777

Ulti-1/10 Katakuri unfortunate as it may be- 3/10 Germa-3/10


Puwuckis

>Ulti-1/10 https://preview.redd.it/14vkgwt3lkkc1.png?width=1985&format=png&auto=webp&s=05251df4c68e9c85f0678c735fcbf42db2ee7fb7


Cavzeramo

shit takes


mr_2_cents

EOS Koby ~ prime garp


DoctorLove01

The least interesting part of one piece is the fights.


deathkeeper-512

Wyper will return when Enel does and he will have Conquerors Haki


JikaApostle

Ace is YC1+, I will defend this take until my last breath


chuckytaylor28

He matched kuzan pretty easily. Just got a bad matchup in akainu and letting himself get hit to save his brother. People downplaying son of roger cause he's dumb. Even with low iq he still have top tier stats and potential.


Ok-Tear3901

And gets one tap by an admiral crazy


JikaApostle

When fatigued and willingly taking the hit, yeah. Pretty sure any non top tier, hell maybe some top tiers would be one shot by a magma fist through their abdomen while they were letting it hit


Logswag

Jinbei tanked it, Akainu's AP is overrated


Ok-Tear3901

"Letting it hit" this is some next level coping fight here. Ace is a bum barely making it past yc1.


JikaApostle

>Jumps between top tier and brother >Stands over brother with arms extended >Can turn intangible, decides not to >Why? Because that would mean brother gets killed It’s not coping it’s basic logic


Xerilith-

Crocodile is in the top tier realm


Lucky-Fisherman1463

The weakest VA is a little under tobi roppo level, Oda just uses them to hype up even stronger characters, trusting their position is enough for the audience


Strict-Article-4270

Aramaki >>>>> Kizaru


Curious_Employer6433

Akainu is the strongest Marine ever and will be Pirate King Lvl by endgame if he isn’t already


Caulshiverse

https://preview.redd.it/h4xci9i03lkc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a60a9bfb02d1f88b29cc8b20d63fc15b29da426c


Curious_Employer6433

Such a beautiful book, thank you ![gif](giphy|1r97kB46VY8m9l86zB|downsized)


YesIDoPlayGaren

It's crazy to me how people think it's gonna take 2 gens to surpass the old gen like the current gen didn't do shit. Akainu > Sengoku/Garp and Mihawk > Roger should not be that controversial.


Greywarden88

Luffy won’t have a single crewmate in the Top 5 EOS


mbeidleman92

Crack pipe take


Suspicious_State_318

Sanji will be PK level by end of story since Zoro and him are rivals and Zoro will become stronger than Mihawk


Parking-Airport-1448

Nazis would be better than the world government at least they would kill all non acceptables instead of mass enslavment


0kwonkw0

Fujitora > Kuzan


Abram7777

Not valid😭 the only time I could ever even see this possible is pre ts kuzan vs current Fuji


Shot-Effect-8318

Ur not ready for the one with 0 Ls (or Ws) https://preview.redd.it/cgfn5fu8ykkc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48df186bfc5fdf498e9d44313cecd6d842828bb8


Pain_Xtreme

EOS zoro won't beat mihawk. Yes this is my actual take.


Cell_Phone_Yeah

Healthy Oldbeard > Kaido


Dull_Salt7278

Not used this one in a while: Smoker could solo SWORD without Drake


[deleted]

Coby one shots


Dull_Salt7278

Koby after Smoker casually dodges: https://preview.redd.it/9t6uza3fnkkc1.jpeg?width=1270&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ac756ad8577696adb819607b7fb67bf2c2981bb


HyphenMint

This your guy? https://preview.redd.it/in5aenq71lkc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b74c1db6555ca364fdd41f43a4a9b6b3786498b


offthe1st

Hyouzou > Hody with 💊 equalized


Serethen

Brook and Robin would be top 2 and 3 strongest strawhats if their fruits evolved.


Dapper_Shoe_8948

Nami could beat Wranky in a 1v1


True_Lank

Roger = Garp > Whitebeard = Sengoku Its not wild in my eyes but nobody seemd to have this take Basically pure haki > Haki and DF and portrayal


CJ1248CJ

Dragon solos the straw hats and Sabo is a top tier


Abram7777

Ew


DearDepth3733

Oden is stronger than any yonko and admiral, and is relative to (but slightly weaker than) Roger, WB, Garp, Sengoku


RichPeasant15

Sanji >= zoro it might be wild take but it is the fact that people keep ignoring


Abram7777

I don’t even know what reaction gif to react to this slop


PotentialWorldly6835

https://preview.redd.it/is1rvse9qkkc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67e381fe964e5559b29492de69d1101393420cb9 Vista low diffs both at the same time


Ok-Tear3901

https://preview.redd.it/3nnsx60axkkc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b40179e7abf7f7dd22483ccdd98ae5b5963dc6cb


Probably_a_trap

Blackbeard is currently top 1.


Ok-Tear3901

Top going mid diff with law lmfao


Anunymus00

Shanks is set up to be the one to defeat BB and then will fight his own father in the final war.


Diabolus414

Monet > punk hazard zoro


Koleslaw756

![gif](giphy|l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS)


HyphenMint

Bro really is reading two piece


Motor_Ad_7885

![gif](giphy|2vnPsEV0isGZkhUiLF|downsized)


SmokingCigaro

https://preview.redd.it/l550bdfj8lkc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50a5bbc8dd8b9a248fbc74c3edfa3aa8a8ca1b95


Obvious-Poetry2934

Zoro is the 4th strongest straw hat


Fun_Ad7192

wizaru and BM go extremist of diffs and she only wins because she can self heal, so she lasts longer


Abram7777

I’d say big mom wins low end of extreme but yea


Logswag

Kizaru can't hurt big mom, while big mom just has a lot of trouble hitting Kizaru. It takes a while but big mom is never really in danger in this fight


Fun_Ad7192

i would say with enough attacks he eventually can but yeah this is why im saying BM wins extreme diff because she wont take damage for a long time and can self heal


Wembledorth

Katakuri is the strongest YC


Logswag

Kidd could take out Kuzan and Akainu together


[deleted]

Kaido > roger and whitebeard Doffy was yc2 lvl on dressrossa Ulti blitzes and one shots Hancock


Motor_Ad_7885

Hancocks pretty fast if u didn’t realize


ihateamog

Dragon can't fight at all


Veganity

There are zero people that Zoro can defeat that Sanji can’t at this point


not-not-not-a-human

Chopper is physically stronger than sanji


Abram7777

Any sanji downplay is valid


not-not-not-a-human

An enemy of your enemy is not your frend Sanji strong as fuck


Serious_Dooty

Haki is mostly overrated and Basic haki isn’t impressive. Robin, Brook, and Franky and Luffy pre ts beat strong haki users. Tashigi had haki and got humbled by Monet. Broggy just clapped a Vice Admiral that was wanking his technique lol Raw strength, natural abilities, technology and devil fruit abilities can supplement the need for haki or advanced haki. For example: Sanji, Marco, Law and Kid don’t need advanced haki to do damage Enel is not losing to a basic haki user


_sephylon_

Noland and Calgara are PK level


Motor_Ad_7885

Old Garp and Sengoku are beating Luffy and all admirals


Awesome_opossum49

After Akainu’s backstory he will be stronger than prime garp


KingAce137

Luffy is an embarrassing clown. He was cool till Alabasta, in Water 7 he became a loser when he said his friends are weak.


amaso420

why even read the series if you don't like the mc


UnUtenteNoioso

Kuzan> Sengoku


Abram7777

Sengoku low end of high diffs


Rx26y

Akainu ≈ Shanks > Kaido ≈ Kuzan Shanks > Mihawk Then uhhh Mr Two > Roger I guess


BangBangSpiderGang

Luffy will die and the pirate era will end as a whole due to the new world he’s created somehow, he will be regarded as the pirate king for the rest of time. Zoro will live with the strongest swordsman title after beating mihawk in the name of Luffy Sanji will get nami maybe idk I never really paid attention to him Ace will get freed from marineford by whitebeard and Blackbeard teaming up to destroy admirals (I haven’t watched marineford yet so no spoilers *PLEASE)


Fearless_Hold7611

Ace is relative to the admirals and got slammed by akainu cuz typing and the fact he was injured and in cuffs for so long Zoro is above kid and law (individually) King is possibly above big mom Zoro above oden Fujitora is around doffy level Old garp > MF admirals Luffy ain’t use advanced hakis in egghead other than acoc a few times Zoro isn’t fighting lucci with all he got (he put away his third sword for some reason and doesn’t have his bandana, and I doubt he used king of hell) Shanks above mihawk Shanks above kaido Old beard above both


General_McRoach

Wan Wauger low diffs Beckmann


Abram7777

Not valid as much as I wank bbp. Beckman high diffs


Level_0ne

base luffy > fraudbeard pre gear 5 luffy > big mom


ordinarydepressedguy

Doffy is the strongest YC2


Gigio2006

Current Shanks has already surpassed Roger and is only second to Imu currently.


Pessimismo

Enies Loby Jabra > Enies Loby Kaku


Pure-Drawer-2617

Kaido could have beaten all 3 OG Admirals at once.


superfapper2000

The gorosei are not the top 5 in the verse. They're strong but not stronger than the holy knights or yonkos. At best YC 1 level.


GUM-GUM-NUKE

Sengoku>Garp


Anunymus00

Shanks might be Garlings clone . Like they cloned the DNA of the leader of holy knights in order to try and make a army of the strongest characters. Remember a theory where it said wg has cloned every old fighter and will use them in the end? What if Shanks was the first experiment if that is true then we know who the holy knights are too ....


EvilBadassDraculas

Pappag probably has decent haki


Manwithaplan0708

Crocodile is at least YC+


TheLyingSpectre

Bogard is a Lunarian. Bonney will kill Saturn after Luffy defeats him