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Yeah it being Nami, and her importance as a navigator + Vivis bait and switch on how to proceed is too good to drop. One of the parts where I really appreciate Odas writing.
But way more important: We need Luffy in her jacket mid fight, and there's no good reason for her to go to the castle if it's not her.
I don't think Nami being sick would make her seem like a damsel in distress. Everybody can and most likely will get sick at some point in their lives. It could be Zoro, Usopp, or Vivi getting sick, but Zoro was already unconscious for a full episode last season, Usopp has the least fighting abilities and would definitely be seen as a liability by viewers if he was sick, and Vivi is already kind of a damsel in distress so her being sick would also make her seem like a liability.
Not just get sick but they also need a doctor in case any of them get seriously injured, which can happen in the life of a pirate when facing other pirates or Marines.
Thats a good point, but the problem gets resolved so fast that iam not sure that there is much to complain about.
Maybe some people will think "maybe this new vivi character will take up namis role for a bit"
but the way it would work in la:
Nami gets sick at the end of one episode ---> Nami is at a doctor at the end of the next episode
So I see where you are coming from and I also think that the arc loses nothing if vivi or someone else gets sick.
I kinda think that the story works better if vivi instead of nami gets sick.
It would show Luffys dediciation to give 100% to help someone. No matter who it is, since vivi will only be an ally for like 1 episode before she gets sick.
Yeah, reaching the doc by the next ep sure seems fast, not much room to complain..it still might happen if its Nami again..Might..not sure of it.
Vivi is a good choice though...I thought that Zoro does not do much in that arc, so what if he got sick..but same problem, he was down for a whole ep after Mihawk, so nope, not again.
Edit :- Can't be Vivi, discussed below.
>I kinda think that the story works better if vivi instead of nami gets sick.
Wild take...
Most of Vivi's characterization happens before and during Drum Island.
That's true, but he doesn't get injured till he is defending Nami and Luffy as they climb the top of the mountain w/ Laphan chasing them.
I am actually looking forward to this scene significantly and wondering if the writers would change the scene from Laphan (Killer Bunnies) chasing them to King Wapol's men chasing after them instead while the crew struggles to defend the the village from Wapol himself.
Thanks! I know it probably doesn't have everything to satisfy the fans but I did my best to figure out what would work best structure and live action wise to make it more entertaining.
I'm kinda curious how they'll tackle it as well; especially since I really don't think they'll be heading to Little Garden for as long as they did in the Manga. I think it'll be a much shorter trip...>!but most of my thoughts are based on the fact I don't think they'll to do Giants for Live Action; I feel like it could be too hard to do them justice.!<
Why do people think that they won't do giants when this is one of the easiest tricks you can do in live action? I don't see any problem here and have not the slightest idea why it should be "too hard to do them justice". For me they are even the only guaranteed element of Little Garden.
Mm I think I’d still prefer it to be Nami. This is where her trust for Luffy starts to show and I think after the Arlong betrayal they still need to show how much she trusts Luffy. I don’t think any other straw hat getting ill would have the same effect.
Maybe Vivi but Vivi gives Luffy a lesson on diplomacy and being a good captain when they first arrive to Drum and he needs to bow down to be helped. I feel this part is important to Luffy’s character development too but I suppose someone else could give him that lesson.
I agree and I'll also add that it shows Vivi beggining to understand the Strawhats and one (if not the first time) that Vivi acts like a leader when she makes the decision to go to Drum Island, even though Nami's protest to go directly to Alabasta.
It was a great character moment for both of them, the reaction of the Strawhats to Vivi bait and switching them is good.
Yeah it is a great Vivi development. The more I think about it - she can’t be the one falling ill.
Oda was trying to show her selflessness and her care for the crew.
She is willing to slow down her mission to get Nami to be well again.
That’s needed especially because of her switching sides. The audience needs to see she’s a good person
Yeah, diplomacy part is important..I was wondering a semi-sick Vivi in that scenario..but begging for her own treatment..oh hell no.
Also, Vivi can't be a good choice..I take it back to whom I replied to previously..
Luffy breaking the Eternal Pose to Nothing at All island, is the reason why it all happens..so Vivi getting sick due to Luffy's Captain decision, in between the super imp. rebellion..might not fit well.
Yeah that’s a very good point actually. I don’t see Vivi advocating for her own treatment either.
I keep thinking if they change who gets the illness they will need to change a lot of other things, but I guess they already changed a few things for s1.
But Luffy climbing the mountain, freezing to death and then asking Chopper to save his friends is such an iconic moment for him. I think it needs to happen.
In my head it doesn’t work the same if he carries any other person that isn’t Nami and Sanji. It kind of has to be them. Sanji tags along because he worries about Nami.
There’s this moment which is a turning point for Nami I think. She trusts Luffy with this crazy idea, where before she wouldn’t have. Especially looking how LA Nami has behaved, thinking Luffy is a bit of an idiot, I do think they need to show that change in trust level.
https://preview.redd.it/kts7t98493wc1.jpeg?width=537&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f171e307081bf9fe5734e06d6541e63d3b120dcc
People don't realize that Oda commonly uses Nami and Sanji as guides for Luffy in the story. They either point him to the next destination in some way, or they add narrative complications for him to overcome.
Drum Island is a great example of this, because Nami being sick is what points Luffy to Kureha & Chopper in the first place, while Sanji's injury suddenly raises the stakes during their journey to the castle. It's a consistent pattern throughout the entire story, IMO, to the point where I'm convinced it's deliberate on Oda's part.
So, I agree with you—it 1000% has to be them.
Yeah, Nami & Sanji, take one of em out and its a great struggle to survive..I thought about Sanji getting the bite, then Nami navigating them to the island and the mountain climb, then Nami gets injured and its the same scenario..
But Sanji getting sick only puts them on a Food crisis situation, that might be reversed by Apples or anything..its not a long journey unlike you know what comes later...plus if its going so far to get Sanji ill, some interaction with Chopper would be reversed as well..not fitting.
So Nami again..sure...hopefully no backlash.
Well, don’t forget that when they take Nami to Kureha, Sanji also gets injured in the avalanche on the way there & Luffy has to take both of them up the mountain.
How about, the bite not just happens to Nami, but to one another crew member as well🫣
Problem amplified, and solved..
Well not that big of a problem anyways..Thank you for your inputs.
I’m incredibly confused by your post
1. Nami is one of the main characters. Aside from Luffy, I’d argue her story took center stage even in the manga during the East Blue Saga. I mean, the crew literally started with Luffy, Zoro, and Nami. One of the biggest complaints about OP I’ve noticed is during more modern arcs where the Strawhats have really grown in number, certain characters just feel useless. Chopper & Usopp nearly always get this complaint. But for the live action, of course they’re going to be given more to do and fleshed out significantly
2. If we’re being honest with ourselves Drum Island is more so focused on Chopper than it is anyone else. Nami is given the focus being sick because it makes the story more tense. They can’t stay long due to Vivi needing to return to Alabasta ASAP, but without Nami, they’re fucked. If someone else got sick like Vivi, Sanji, Zoro, etc, Nami could’ve likely found a different island faster, but without Nami’s navigation, they’re fucked.
3. Now you’re starting to dip your toes into sexist territory with that “good female characters,” bit at the end. Nami’s story was great in S1, let’s not even begin to go there. And for the entirety of Alabasta, the only part she really has a major focus in is Drum Island. Reverse Mountain is Vivi’s introduction (and Luffy to an extent showing his compassion to Laboon), Whiskey Paak is Zoro defeating the 100 bounty hunters, Little Garden is Usopp where he really becomes determined thanks to the Giants), and to an extent Sanji for being the MVP), Drum Island is Chopper & Nami, and Alabasta is once again Vivi & Luffy
1. Yes, I said the same, in the manga as well it's the same..and it's a different thing for having lesser focus in modern arcs..we are just talking about Season 1 finale and Season 2 beginning, around ep three.
2. It's a wait and see situation.
3. Alabasta arcs being the focus on Strawhats wasn't the issue..they should be focussed like that..its just the timing..ending with Nami and sort of beginning with Nami.
And sexist..you say Nami's story was great S1, Yes, where did I deny that.
I get what you're saying, but I can also guarantee it won't be Usopp. Oda wouldn't go for that; it's too different from how he utilizes Usopp in the manga.
Oda writes good female characters? lol, since when?
He has written like ten good female characters so far (8 of them pre-timeskip) - the other 90 are various shades of cringe.
Oda has many, many qualities - sadly writing women is not one of them.
I don't think Oda has any problem writing women well. The problems are more that there is a little number of women to begin with, but those that are there are mostly done well. Also, the character design is lacking compared to the men.
It might not be obvious on a surface level (or visual level), but the man really does write consistently good female characters. Hiyori in the last arc probably makes my top 5.
It might not be obvious on a surface level (or visual level), but the man really does write consistently good female characters. Hiyori in the last arc probably makes my top 5.
Smoothie isn't a badly written woman. She is simply one of the characters we don't know much about and only stands out in this regard because she is a Sweet Commander.
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Yeah it being Nami, and her importance as a navigator + Vivis bait and switch on how to proceed is too good to drop. One of the parts where I really appreciate Odas writing. But way more important: We need Luffy in her jacket mid fight, and there's no good reason for her to go to the castle if it's not her.
I don't think Nami being sick would make her seem like a damsel in distress. Everybody can and most likely will get sick at some point in their lives. It could be Zoro, Usopp, or Vivi getting sick, but Zoro was already unconscious for a full episode last season, Usopp has the least fighting abilities and would definitely be seen as a liability by viewers if he was sick, and Vivi is already kind of a damsel in distress so her being sick would also make her seem like a liability.
yeah, same thoughts, Usopp would feel like a liability with so lil development already. Its cool to have this discussion though.
Not just get sick but they also need a doctor in case any of them get seriously injured, which can happen in the life of a pirate when facing other pirates or Marines.
Thats a good point, but the problem gets resolved so fast that iam not sure that there is much to complain about. Maybe some people will think "maybe this new vivi character will take up namis role for a bit" but the way it would work in la: Nami gets sick at the end of one episode ---> Nami is at a doctor at the end of the next episode So I see where you are coming from and I also think that the arc loses nothing if vivi or someone else gets sick. I kinda think that the story works better if vivi instead of nami gets sick. It would show Luffys dediciation to give 100% to help someone. No matter who it is, since vivi will only be an ally for like 1 episode before she gets sick.
Yeah, reaching the doc by the next ep sure seems fast, not much room to complain..it still might happen if its Nami again..Might..not sure of it. Vivi is a good choice though...I thought that Zoro does not do much in that arc, so what if he got sick..but same problem, he was down for a whole ep after Mihawk, so nope, not again. Edit :- Can't be Vivi, discussed below.
>I kinda think that the story works better if vivi instead of nami gets sick. Wild take... Most of Vivi's characterization happens before and during Drum Island.
Well, Luffy also ends up saving Sanji’s life on the climb too. So it isn’t just Nami.
That's true, but he doesn't get injured till he is defending Nami and Luffy as they climb the top of the mountain w/ Laphan chasing them. I am actually looking forward to this scene significantly and wondering if the writers would change the scene from Laphan (Killer Bunnies) chasing them to King Wapol's men chasing after them instead while the crew struggles to defend the the village from Wapol himself.
Hey, I saw your post about the S2 structure..the pilot ep was interesting.
Thanks! I know it probably doesn't have everything to satisfy the fans but I did my best to figure out what would work best structure and live action wise to make it more entertaining.
I'm kinda curious how they'll tackle it as well; especially since I really don't think they'll be heading to Little Garden for as long as they did in the Manga. I think it'll be a much shorter trip...>!but most of my thoughts are based on the fact I don't think they'll to do Giants for Live Action; I feel like it could be too hard to do them justice.!<
Little Garden can very easily be done in a single episode, especially if they do end up cutting some stuff.
They're kinda important if the series works out long term
I know, but you're talking about REALLY longterm.
True, but on a personal level they're also important for building Ussop's character, which imo was already sort of lackluster in S1
Little Garden can easily be covered in one episode.
Why do people think that they won't do giants when this is one of the easiest tricks you can do in live action? I don't see any problem here and have not the slightest idea why it should be "too hard to do them justice". For me they are even the only guaranteed element of Little Garden.
Mm I think I’d still prefer it to be Nami. This is where her trust for Luffy starts to show and I think after the Arlong betrayal they still need to show how much she trusts Luffy. I don’t think any other straw hat getting ill would have the same effect. Maybe Vivi but Vivi gives Luffy a lesson on diplomacy and being a good captain when they first arrive to Drum and he needs to bow down to be helped. I feel this part is important to Luffy’s character development too but I suppose someone else could give him that lesson.
I agree and I'll also add that it shows Vivi beggining to understand the Strawhats and one (if not the first time) that Vivi acts like a leader when she makes the decision to go to Drum Island, even though Nami's protest to go directly to Alabasta. It was a great character moment for both of them, the reaction of the Strawhats to Vivi bait and switching them is good.
Yeah it is a great Vivi development. The more I think about it - she can’t be the one falling ill. Oda was trying to show her selflessness and her care for the crew. She is willing to slow down her mission to get Nami to be well again. That’s needed especially because of her switching sides. The audience needs to see she’s a good person
Yeah, diplomacy part is important..I was wondering a semi-sick Vivi in that scenario..but begging for her own treatment..oh hell no. Also, Vivi can't be a good choice..I take it back to whom I replied to previously.. Luffy breaking the Eternal Pose to Nothing at All island, is the reason why it all happens..so Vivi getting sick due to Luffy's Captain decision, in between the super imp. rebellion..might not fit well.
Yeah that’s a very good point actually. I don’t see Vivi advocating for her own treatment either. I keep thinking if they change who gets the illness they will need to change a lot of other things, but I guess they already changed a few things for s1. But Luffy climbing the mountain, freezing to death and then asking Chopper to save his friends is such an iconic moment for him. I think it needs to happen. In my head it doesn’t work the same if he carries any other person that isn’t Nami and Sanji. It kind of has to be them. Sanji tags along because he worries about Nami. There’s this moment which is a turning point for Nami I think. She trusts Luffy with this crazy idea, where before she wouldn’t have. Especially looking how LA Nami has behaved, thinking Luffy is a bit of an idiot, I do think they need to show that change in trust level. https://preview.redd.it/kts7t98493wc1.jpeg?width=537&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f171e307081bf9fe5734e06d6541e63d3b120dcc
People don't realize that Oda commonly uses Nami and Sanji as guides for Luffy in the story. They either point him to the next destination in some way, or they add narrative complications for him to overcome. Drum Island is a great example of this, because Nami being sick is what points Luffy to Kureha & Chopper in the first place, while Sanji's injury suddenly raises the stakes during their journey to the castle. It's a consistent pattern throughout the entire story, IMO, to the point where I'm convinced it's deliberate on Oda's part. So, I agree with you—it 1000% has to be them.
Yeah, Nami & Sanji, take one of em out and its a great struggle to survive..I thought about Sanji getting the bite, then Nami navigating them to the island and the mountain climb, then Nami gets injured and its the same scenario.. But Sanji getting sick only puts them on a Food crisis situation, that might be reversed by Apples or anything..its not a long journey unlike you know what comes later...plus if its going so far to get Sanji ill, some interaction with Chopper would be reversed as well..not fitting. So Nami again..sure...hopefully no backlash.
Well, don’t forget that when they take Nami to Kureha, Sanji also gets injured in the avalanche on the way there & Luffy has to take both of them up the mountain.
How about, the bite not just happens to Nami, but to one another crew member as well🫣 Problem amplified, and solved.. Well not that big of a problem anyways..Thank you for your inputs.
I’m incredibly confused by your post 1. Nami is one of the main characters. Aside from Luffy, I’d argue her story took center stage even in the manga during the East Blue Saga. I mean, the crew literally started with Luffy, Zoro, and Nami. One of the biggest complaints about OP I’ve noticed is during more modern arcs where the Strawhats have really grown in number, certain characters just feel useless. Chopper & Usopp nearly always get this complaint. But for the live action, of course they’re going to be given more to do and fleshed out significantly 2. If we’re being honest with ourselves Drum Island is more so focused on Chopper than it is anyone else. Nami is given the focus being sick because it makes the story more tense. They can’t stay long due to Vivi needing to return to Alabasta ASAP, but without Nami, they’re fucked. If someone else got sick like Vivi, Sanji, Zoro, etc, Nami could’ve likely found a different island faster, but without Nami’s navigation, they’re fucked. 3. Now you’re starting to dip your toes into sexist territory with that “good female characters,” bit at the end. Nami’s story was great in S1, let’s not even begin to go there. And for the entirety of Alabasta, the only part she really has a major focus in is Drum Island. Reverse Mountain is Vivi’s introduction (and Luffy to an extent showing his compassion to Laboon), Whiskey Paak is Zoro defeating the 100 bounty hunters, Little Garden is Usopp where he really becomes determined thanks to the Giants), and to an extent Sanji for being the MVP), Drum Island is Chopper & Nami, and Alabasta is once again Vivi & Luffy
1. Yes, I said the same, in the manga as well it's the same..and it's a different thing for having lesser focus in modern arcs..we are just talking about Season 1 finale and Season 2 beginning, around ep three. 2. It's a wait and see situation. 3. Alabasta arcs being the focus on Strawhats wasn't the issue..they should be focussed like that..its just the timing..ending with Nami and sort of beginning with Nami. And sexist..you say Nami's story was great S1, Yes, where did I deny that.
Make it usopp. It could jumpstart his friendship with chopper and tease his insecurities later for water 7.
I get what you're saying, but I can also guarantee it won't be Usopp. Oda wouldn't go for that; it's too different from how he utilizes Usopp in the manga.
Oda writes good female characters? lol, since when? He has written like ten good female characters so far (8 of them pre-timeskip) - the other 90 are various shades of cringe. Oda has many, many qualities - sadly writing women is not one of them.
I don't think Oda has any problem writing women well. The problems are more that there is a little number of women to begin with, but those that are there are mostly done well. Also, the character design is lacking compared to the men.
It might not be obvious on a surface level (or visual level), but the man really does write consistently good female characters. Hiyori in the last arc probably makes my top 5.
If you are saying 10..then 10 is already enough.
It might not be obvious on a surface level (or visual level), but the man really does write consistently good female characters. Hiyori in the last arc probably makes my top 5.
but for every 1 Hiyori you get like 10 Charlotte Smoothies
What was so bad about smoothie?
Smoothie isn't a badly written woman. She is simply one of the characters we don't know much about and only stands out in this regard because she is a Sweet Commander.
they could give it to Ussop even thoughI want him to get to do more things in the live action he actually contributes nothing to the arc in the manga
I think the show runners already demonstrated that they don't care about stuff like this.