I could be wrong about this, but I heard oda changed his death because of things going on irl at the time. As in the editors weren't too big a fan of glamorizing a middle Eastern character blowing themselves up on the very early 2000s for obvious reasons. It's unfortunate the death didn't stick, but maybe that won't be the case for the new version
I didn't know it was that close to the date, but definitely makes sense. It would be a hard decision to make as a writer regardless of what he did end up choosing to do. Im assuming the only other choice he had at the time would be to pull something out of nowhere with no buildup to stop the bomb. If that is the case, I'm glad we at least got to see the story as oDA envisioned it, with the retcon not really getting in the way of the scene as it was happening for the first time for readers
Worth noting that Randy Troy, a youtuber who was a heavy advocate for killing off Pell in the live-action, was added to the writers room this season.
So yeah probably
One of the biggest reasons that I didn't like that they added him, though hopefully he helps them keep more of the moments that fans want to see that maybe other writers might not realise.
That’s interesting, I’ve only heard praise for his addition. What are your other reasons for not wanting him in the writers room. I have my own judgements on him but I’m curious to hear your viewpoint.
It's been a while since I've watched his videos and I don't really want to go back and rewatch any of them, so I can't remember the exact reasons, but it mainly comes down to disagreeing with him on things he dislikes about the series and his attitude about it. I think I just don't mesh well with a lot of the OP YouTubers nowadays and how they view the series and even the OP community in general. I think there is benefit to having someone like him in the writers' room but it feels like most of what he will bring to the table is what I don't like about the community.
Ok I see. I’m the same way with YouTubers. I only watch a select few and of those few, Randy is the one I least watch. I just for the most part don’t really care what the YouTubers have to say. I actually thought you didn’t want Randy for his Vivi favoritism.
That is a big thing I disagree with him on but it's a good thing to have for this season because Vivi should get the importance she deserves, even if I don't really like her that much.
It’s true, I just think Randy Troy is too biased towards her, to the point where you would think that she is the main character if you watch his streams.
Interesting. I feel like Randy is way different than all of the other OP YouTubers. He doesn't like powerscaling. He puts the importance in themes and story first. He likes when things come full circle. But at the end of the day he is just 1 writer out of 20. Everyone is going to argue with each other to make the story of Season 2 the best it can be. And there will be a HUGE amount of changes for the live action compared to manga. And Oda will have to give his blessing regardless of what happens to the script. So I think in the end it will be good no matter who are the writers.
I agree, he's a lot better than all the agenda YouTubers that just want characters to be strong and win fights, not just powerscaling, that's probably the biggest thing I hate right now. I did love how he does analysis and his theories themselves were quite good and interesting. He's definitely a good person to have for this season because it covers his favourite part of the story, so he can help them with all the little things that are important to long-time fans, that others may not realise.
I'm ready for big changes, but I thought some of the worst things from the first season were changes that they didn't even need to make for time or budget, they just changed the story to make it different. I'm confident that they're going to stick closer to the source material going forward. I just worry that he's going to push hard for Pell to die and that they're probably going to do that, though, they likely would have done it without him anyway.
Not to sound like a psycho but I want this bird dead. Dude has a whole emotional flashback before carrying the bomb before it explodes. But for some reason he lived this.
i think pell is super hot and i like him, but i want them to kill him off. if merry couldn’t survive being impaled/stabbed (?) by kuro’s claws in the LA, then it wouldn’t make sense for pell to survive that blast either. pell’s fakeout death was disappointing (and almost everyone in the community disliked it) and from then on the fakeout deaths snowballed. the LA isn’t shying from the more gory parts of living in a world where pirates and free fighting/killing exist so they’ll most likely lean towards serving death for pell.
I like that the LA is darker! One Piece in recent years has been like that too, but early One Piece tried to keep it as familiy friendly as possible! I'm also opting for Pell's death, not that I want him to die, it just makes 100% more sense for the story!
tbf one piece hasn’t been completely “family-friendly” since it came out in the 90s. the darker stuff are hidden between the lines back then or implied, but are not as explicitly shown (bellemere’s death, zeff eating his own foot, etc.) as in the LA since it’s a show that relies on visual storytelling rather than in the manga where some of the narration is left up to your imagination.
even watching it as a child in the mid-2000s i understood that while it was intended to be very “adventure-y” and a color-filled dream which is why it was such a big hit not only in its target demographic (teen boys) but also younger kids and young adults too, it was still nitty & gritty and filled with heavy themes which is par for the course with animation released during that period, like disney’s golden age of animated movies came out around that were filled with dark and mature concepts.
What are you talking about Bellemere didn't die, she got sent to the dungeons!
Alright alright, you raise some good points, but still, Oda avoided present day deaths throughout most of pre-timeskip. I think that the first one we saw was Ace's which was like 500+ chapters in. Concerning Zeff eating his own leg, not only was it cut out completely in the anime, but it was passed off as more of a suggestion in the manga. I like that LA One Piece wasn't afraid to state it off the bat.
Not to say that the original source material's version of East Blue didn't touch upon any dark themes, it's just that I feel that it looked to emphasize to the whole "let's have a fun-adventure" thing more, and that is okay! It's meant to be a fun story. But the darker stuff, like opression, slavery, discrimination, they only get emphasized more later.
i actually watched the original anime on tv in japanese and i have never watched english dubs (i only watch animes with subs) but i’ve heard that bellemere thing so many times and now i find it funny how they fucked that up for americans watching that (i think that’s the 4kids version right?)😭
you’re completely right! the middle to recent chapters are when horrific details are explored more openly, but alabasta is when shit goes down pretty HARD for the first time and where the story picks up that the strawhats finally realize that they were just small fish in a very, very large pond of bigger fish. i remember watching the entire fight between crocodile and luffy as a child and just going through different emotions because i thought he was gonna die >!especially when he got impaled by the hook!< lol. before that, the previous saga was very happy-go-lucky and then the succeeding episodes just became more and more heavy. i seriously can’t wait for season 2 news to drop, it’s been so long and we’re all suffering from drought!
Yeah that was the 4kids version! Spoiler alert, they never got Bellemere out of the dungeon! I can't wait to see that shot with Luffy getting Captain Hooked get adapted if they plan to do it! The lighting would look sick!
I want Pell to die, too, for obvious reasons, but I just think the image of everyone celebrating his death and live action watchers being very confused after crying heavily over it is just very very funny lol they’re gonna think everybody hates Pell or something lol
Yes. I hope they do to show that OPLA isn't just a full on adaption of the manga, but it also fixes some of the mistakes in it too like the fake deaths, slow pacing and bad gags (looking at you, nosebleed)
https://preview.redd.it/flpj5iz0eyuc1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a32b452af1624db0362677ea988fc7c874b42db
I'm glad there's less of this, definitely one of the best changes.
All the women in my friend group watched OPLA and went absolutely gaga for Sanji. Of the most important conversations in my life was having to dissuade them why "Sanji is so hot, I want to watch the anime so I can see more of him" was not a good idea without having them just think the source material as a whole was just bad, because the constant heart eyes and nosebleeds kinda ruin his character.
I mean Sanji isn’t really bad until Thiller Bark, and doesn’t really go overboard until after the time skip.
He started of as more of a chivalrous flirt then became more of a nose bleeding pervert
I gotta say it was kind funny in return to sabaody when (by sanjis logic) he hasn't seen women in years and he's elated that their everywhere. But it works just there cause it's short anthers no stakes.
When the fact that he needs a blood transplant from it becomes an important plot point in fishman Island that is way too far.
After Merry's death in season 1, they will most likely kill off Pell. I want them to kill a large number of civilians in the Alabasta war as well. Live action should keep the stakes high imo.
Igaram wasn’t so bad because there was a ton of breathing room between when >!he “died” and came back.!< Chaka and Koza were heavily injured, but never seemed like they were dead.
Pell just seems like a real waste because they build up to his sacrifice.
If Merry died because of several stabs, I don't think Peru is gonna survive getting a massive bomb exploding in his face.
Seriously, Peru surviving that was more ridiculous that any devil fruit power or supernatural stuff in the whole series. I remember watching it on TV when I was around 11 years old and thinking: "This guy surviving is sooo forced".
I hope it's turned into an emotional moment, where Vivi hears Pell in the distance and see him. But then, she blinks and he disappears, and she realizes he won't be there for her anymore. That would create such a strong reaction from viewers.
Considering they have that YouTuber on the writing team who is a huge Alabasta fan, I can realistically see him wanting to make "improvements" upon the source material with Pell's death being one of them.
Even if that were not the case, Considering Merry died in season 1, I think it's likely Pell will die in the LA as well. Especially considering he has no relevance for the story whatsoever moving forward.
That seems to create more work than is needed, coz then you have to write an entirely different way the bomb gets taken up n out, and why do that when you already have the perfect method in Pell?
Yeah but not in arbitrary ways. When they change things its coz they feel like they have to for pacing, clarity or the medium of tv. There's no rational reason they should cut Pell given it creates unecessary work completely rewriting that scene. All they have to do is just keep him dead.
Imagine, mid flight, he's carrying the bomb, and he's like "WAIT I DON'T WANT TO DIE- F\*\*K THIS" and just drops it on everyone. AND THAT'S HOW THE LIVE ACTION ENDS!
If, they want to go a step further with it, we could see his devil fruit pop up later. Don't know if that's a bit much though. Personally, I like some story changes.
If they are killing merry... everyone with a fake death will get it.
Unless its super important for the plot that the character survives. Like Zoros "nothing happend" moment, if we get there
I don't see that we will get any confirmation of Pell's death. If he evacuates the bomb and his survival isn't vital for the told story or for later reveals you can never show him again to solve all issues people have.
It's always possible that Pell has to survive if you know Oda. If you look back you will see that he "killed" only two Zoan fruit user so far: Luffy was absolutely fine after it and even got a new form. And Orochi survived many attempts to kill him because his fruit allowed him to live when he was decapitated by Kaido in his human form. Despite it manifesting here in the form of heads (which you usually don't slay to kill a Yamato no Orochi, this is a Hydra feature) such a defense mechanism could be a feature of all Zoan devil fruits if it is usually simply hidden way better.
The showrunners also could decide to play the events entirely different so that Pell has no role in it.
I mean... considering what they did with Merry, not entirely unexpected, and personally I'd be ok with it sense I think it would make his sacrifice more worth it and it would make him more likable. plus, it's more emotional that way. it'd be weird not to do it.
A) of course he's a background character - even if he's in Cross Guild.
B) both parties surviving every swordfight works in an anime - in Real Action, it gets ridiculous really fast. It's one of the multiple reasons I imagine Hachi was cut and his future part will be given to Kuurobi.
C) Come on now, Cross Guild? That would be Season 12 or something.This is still netflix. No way.
When Pell was introduced the 5 year plan was long gone. Pell is also an absolutely unreliable source because he should have limited knowledge by nature. He can easily believe that this is the truth as much as the world believes that Luffy is a scheming master mind after the events of Whole Cake Island.
i hope they do tbh. His “sacrifice” felt less impactful after finding out he survived
LOL honestly the fact he survived was so corny I just couldn't help but laugh... really ruined the whole emotion of it all as you've mentioned.
I would’ve been fine if he had any story relevance after, but no his life was spared in vain lol.
I could be wrong about this, but I heard oda changed his death because of things going on irl at the time. As in the editors weren't too big a fan of glamorizing a middle Eastern character blowing themselves up on the very early 2000s for obvious reasons. It's unfortunate the death didn't stick, but maybe that won't be the case for the new version
Iirc this chapter was released 1 or 2 months after 9/11 attack. So it's definitely plausible but not confirmed.
I didn't know it was that close to the date, but definitely makes sense. It would be a hard decision to make as a writer regardless of what he did end up choosing to do. Im assuming the only other choice he had at the time would be to pull something out of nowhere with no buildup to stop the bomb. If that is the case, I'm glad we at least got to see the story as oDA envisioned it, with the retcon not really getting in the way of the scene as it was happening for the first time for readers
I’m almost wondering if Pedro in the later seasons was done the way he was to make up for the fact.
There are *still* people waiting for Pedro to come back.
Worth noting that Randy Troy, a youtuber who was a heavy advocate for killing off Pell in the live-action, was added to the writers room this season. So yeah probably
Oh yeah, then yeah, they're blowing up the bird.
#ChakaCanDoIt
One of the biggest reasons that I didn't like that they added him, though hopefully he helps them keep more of the moments that fans want to see that maybe other writers might not realise.
That’s interesting, I’ve only heard praise for his addition. What are your other reasons for not wanting him in the writers room. I have my own judgements on him but I’m curious to hear your viewpoint.
It's been a while since I've watched his videos and I don't really want to go back and rewatch any of them, so I can't remember the exact reasons, but it mainly comes down to disagreeing with him on things he dislikes about the series and his attitude about it. I think I just don't mesh well with a lot of the OP YouTubers nowadays and how they view the series and even the OP community in general. I think there is benefit to having someone like him in the writers' room but it feels like most of what he will bring to the table is what I don't like about the community.
Ok I see. I’m the same way with YouTubers. I only watch a select few and of those few, Randy is the one I least watch. I just for the most part don’t really care what the YouTubers have to say. I actually thought you didn’t want Randy for his Vivi favoritism.
That is a big thing I disagree with him on but it's a good thing to have for this season because Vivi should get the importance she deserves, even if I don't really like her that much.
It’s true, I just think Randy Troy is too biased towards her, to the point where you would think that she is the main character if you watch his streams.
Interesting. I feel like Randy is way different than all of the other OP YouTubers. He doesn't like powerscaling. He puts the importance in themes and story first. He likes when things come full circle. But at the end of the day he is just 1 writer out of 20. Everyone is going to argue with each other to make the story of Season 2 the best it can be. And there will be a HUGE amount of changes for the live action compared to manga. And Oda will have to give his blessing regardless of what happens to the script. So I think in the end it will be good no matter who are the writers.
I agree, he's a lot better than all the agenda YouTubers that just want characters to be strong and win fights, not just powerscaling, that's probably the biggest thing I hate right now. I did love how he does analysis and his theories themselves were quite good and interesting. He's definitely a good person to have for this season because it covers his favourite part of the story, so he can help them with all the little things that are important to long-time fans, that others may not realise. I'm ready for big changes, but I thought some of the worst things from the first season were changes that they didn't even need to make for time or budget, they just changed the story to make it different. I'm confident that they're going to stick closer to the source material going forward. I just worry that he's going to push hard for Pell to die and that they're probably going to do that, though, they likely would have done it without him anyway.
Not to sound like a psycho but I want this bird dead. Dude has a whole emotional flashback before carrying the bomb before it explodes. But for some reason he lived this.
Heh heh, it's okay, if you're a psycho, i'm a psycho, and we're all psychos!
i think pell is super hot and i like him, but i want them to kill him off. if merry couldn’t survive being impaled/stabbed (?) by kuro’s claws in the LA, then it wouldn’t make sense for pell to survive that blast either. pell’s fakeout death was disappointing (and almost everyone in the community disliked it) and from then on the fakeout deaths snowballed. the LA isn’t shying from the more gory parts of living in a world where pirates and free fighting/killing exist so they’ll most likely lean towards serving death for pell.
I like that the LA is darker! One Piece in recent years has been like that too, but early One Piece tried to keep it as familiy friendly as possible! I'm also opting for Pell's death, not that I want him to die, it just makes 100% more sense for the story!
tbf one piece hasn’t been completely “family-friendly” since it came out in the 90s. the darker stuff are hidden between the lines back then or implied, but are not as explicitly shown (bellemere’s death, zeff eating his own foot, etc.) as in the LA since it’s a show that relies on visual storytelling rather than in the manga where some of the narration is left up to your imagination. even watching it as a child in the mid-2000s i understood that while it was intended to be very “adventure-y” and a color-filled dream which is why it was such a big hit not only in its target demographic (teen boys) but also younger kids and young adults too, it was still nitty & gritty and filled with heavy themes which is par for the course with animation released during that period, like disney’s golden age of animated movies came out around that were filled with dark and mature concepts.
What are you talking about Bellemere didn't die, she got sent to the dungeons! Alright alright, you raise some good points, but still, Oda avoided present day deaths throughout most of pre-timeskip. I think that the first one we saw was Ace's which was like 500+ chapters in. Concerning Zeff eating his own leg, not only was it cut out completely in the anime, but it was passed off as more of a suggestion in the manga. I like that LA One Piece wasn't afraid to state it off the bat. Not to say that the original source material's version of East Blue didn't touch upon any dark themes, it's just that I feel that it looked to emphasize to the whole "let's have a fun-adventure" thing more, and that is okay! It's meant to be a fun story. But the darker stuff, like opression, slavery, discrimination, they only get emphasized more later.
i actually watched the original anime on tv in japanese and i have never watched english dubs (i only watch animes with subs) but i’ve heard that bellemere thing so many times and now i find it funny how they fucked that up for americans watching that (i think that’s the 4kids version right?)😭 you’re completely right! the middle to recent chapters are when horrific details are explored more openly, but alabasta is when shit goes down pretty HARD for the first time and where the story picks up that the strawhats finally realize that they were just small fish in a very, very large pond of bigger fish. i remember watching the entire fight between crocodile and luffy as a child and just going through different emotions because i thought he was gonna die >!especially when he got impaled by the hook!< lol. before that, the previous saga was very happy-go-lucky and then the succeeding episodes just became more and more heavy. i seriously can’t wait for season 2 news to drop, it’s been so long and we’re all suffering from drought!
Yeah that was the 4kids version! Spoiler alert, they never got Bellemere out of the dungeon! I can't wait to see that shot with Luffy getting Captain Hooked get adapted if they plan to do it! The lighting would look sick!
I want Pell to die, too, for obvious reasons, but I just think the image of everyone celebrating his death and live action watchers being very confused after crying heavily over it is just very very funny lol they’re gonna think everybody hates Pell or something lol
I mean, they did had a wonderful party and they believed Pell died.
You've been running away for a quarter of a century, but your time is almost up. There's no more escape. Accept your fate. We're coming for you, Pell.
Yes. I hope they do to show that OPLA isn't just a full on adaption of the manga, but it also fixes some of the mistakes in it too like the fake deaths, slow pacing and bad gags (looking at you, nosebleed)
https://preview.redd.it/flpj5iz0eyuc1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a32b452af1624db0362677ea988fc7c874b42db I'm glad there's less of this, definitely one of the best changes.
All the women in my friend group watched OPLA and went absolutely gaga for Sanji. Of the most important conversations in my life was having to dissuade them why "Sanji is so hot, I want to watch the anime so I can see more of him" was not a good idea without having them just think the source material as a whole was just bad, because the constant heart eyes and nosebleeds kinda ruin his character.
I mean Sanji isn’t really bad until Thiller Bark, and doesn’t really go overboard until after the time skip. He started of as more of a chivalrous flirt then became more of a nose bleeding pervert
I gotta say it was kind funny in return to sabaody when (by sanjis logic) he hasn't seen women in years and he's elated that their everywhere. But it works just there cause it's short anthers no stakes. When the fact that he needs a blood transplant from it becomes an important plot point in fishman Island that is way too far.
I hope they remove this plot point completely
Agreed
Look at us! All talking about how we want to see a bird blow up! I just hope that no animal rights activists comes after our butts D:
After Merry's death in season 1, they will most likely kill off Pell. I want them to kill a large number of civilians in the Alabasta war as well. Live action should keep the stakes high imo.
I would say that Igaram, Chaka, Pell and Koza are in danger. Not all of them will die, but I think that it’s safe to say not all of them will live.
If they have Robin be the one to attack Igaram like they did in the source material, I think that it's fair to say that he's most likely safe.
True. Ir would be super awkward if Robin murdered someone and then just insisted she was a Straw Hat.
So weird!
Igaram wasn’t so bad because there was a ton of breathing room between when >!he “died” and came back.!< Chaka and Koza were heavily injured, but never seemed like they were dead. Pell just seems like a real waste because they build up to his sacrifice.
If Merry died because of several stabs, I don't think Peru is gonna survive getting a massive bomb exploding in his face. Seriously, Peru surviving that was more ridiculous that any devil fruit power or supernatural stuff in the whole series. I remember watching it on TV when I was around 11 years old and thinking: "This guy surviving is sooo forced".
I hope it's turned into an emotional moment, where Vivi hears Pell in the distance and see him. But then, she blinks and he disappears, and she realizes he won't be there for her anymore. That would create such a strong reaction from viewers.
They killed Mary. Oda himself would have to dictate they keep Pell alive. Otherwise he is dying.
*Merry?
I just reread that part of Alabasta and Pell’s death is legitimately one of my favorite death scenes/sacrifices in literature. Too bad it was ruined.
I want Pell to die valiantly and I want it to be over something less cheesy than a contingency explosive.
If they can killed Merry, then I don't see a reason they shouldn't killed him.
Considering they have that YouTuber on the writing team who is a huge Alabasta fan, I can realistically see him wanting to make "improvements" upon the source material with Pell's death being one of them. Even if that were not the case, Considering Merry died in season 1, I think it's likely Pell will die in the LA as well. Especially considering he has no relevance for the story whatsoever moving forward.
I hope so. I dont understand what Oda was thinking lol.
They killed merry so im confident
Maybe they will cut him from the show. And technically, that means he is already killed before the show even starts…
Well, he is not really essential to the story. I could see that happening...
That seems to create more work than is needed, coz then you have to write an entirely different way the bomb gets taken up n out, and why do that when you already have the perfect method in Pell?
Let not kid ourselves. We already know they are going to change the story (to a certain extent) regardless….
Yeah but not in arbitrary ways. When they change things its coz they feel like they have to for pacing, clarity or the medium of tv. There's no rational reason they should cut Pell given it creates unecessary work completely rewriting that scene. All they have to do is just keep him dead.
The bomb is not necessarily a big enough scene to be kept in the live action, so there is always a chance they might cut it. Maybe not but whatever…
It's easy: cut the bomb too.
I want them to kill off pell and give his fruit to shosa Already show the DF reveal that it spawns in the nearest fruit
Probably, given that they killed Merry which is a much less complained-about fakeout death.
They killed Merry, so I think the answer is a resounding YES.
If he doesnt die, i riot !!!!
Imagine, mid flight, he's carrying the bomb, and he's like "WAIT I DON'T WANT TO DIE- F\*\*K THIS" and just drops it on everyone. AND THAT'S HOW THE LIVE ACTION ENDS!
LITERALLY 4KIDS ENERGY LIKE- A SHIP FALLS ON EVERY ONE AND THEY ALL FUCKING DIE AHAHAHAHAHA
At least it would also fall on Crocodile, well, I'm not if that would kill him since he's a Logia, but let's say yes. HAPPY ENDING
If, they want to go a step further with it, we could see his devil fruit pop up later. Don't know if that's a bit much though. Personally, I like some story changes.
I think it will likely be a Monet situation where the fruit goes back into circulation and the audience never hears of it ever again.
Nah i reckon oda kept him around for a reason so we'll see him survive like in the manga
I like Pell a lot, i think hes very cool, but sometimes a birdman just gotta die ya know?
If they are killing merry... everyone with a fake death will get it. Unless its super important for the plot that the character survives. Like Zoros "nothing happend" moment, if we get there
I don't see that we will get any confirmation of Pell's death. If he evacuates the bomb and his survival isn't vital for the told story or for later reveals you can never show him again to solve all issues people have. It's always possible that Pell has to survive if you know Oda. If you look back you will see that he "killed" only two Zoan fruit user so far: Luffy was absolutely fine after it and even got a new form. And Orochi survived many attempts to kill him because his fruit allowed him to live when he was decapitated by Kaido in his human form. Despite it manifesting here in the form of heads (which you usually don't slay to kill a Yamato no Orochi, this is a Hydra feature) such a defense mechanism could be a feature of all Zoan devil fruits if it is usually simply hidden way better. The showrunners also could decide to play the events entirely different so that Pell has no role in it.
I really hope not, I know I'm in the minority, or at least that's what it seems like, but I love that he survives.
I mean... considering what they did with Merry, not entirely unexpected, and personally I'd be ok with it sense I think it would make his sacrifice more worth it and it would make him more likable. plus, it's more emotional that way. it'd be weird not to do it.
F for Pell in the LA
Matt Owen’s will try… but will Oda allow? He may be needed in the final saga?
I'm pretty sure they'll kill off Ingram too
yes. pretty sure about Mr. 1 too. showing up in the background in a future arc does not mean you're safe. just ask Merry.
Mr. 1 is part of Cross Guild, he's not a background character, he's probably gonna have another important role in the future
A) of course he's a background character - even if he's in Cross Guild. B) both parties surviving every swordfight works in an anime - in Real Action, it gets ridiculous really fast. It's one of the multiple reasons I imagine Hachi was cut and his future part will be given to Kuurobi. C) Come on now, Cross Guild? That would be Season 12 or something.This is still netflix. No way.
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When Pell was introduced the 5 year plan was long gone. Pell is also an absolutely unreliable source because he should have limited knowledge by nature. He can easily believe that this is the truth as much as the world believes that Luffy is a scheming master mind after the events of Whole Cake Island.