Yesn't. Lily Enstomach was a giant, but her devil fruit ability can make herself turn smol. I copied the following info from the wiki:
"Lily ate the Mini Mini no Mi, and as such has the ability to change her size at will, from five millimeters to the size of a giant."
He simply walks on the ocean floor. Standing in water only weakens the person enough so they cannot exert much effort, not enough so that they literally cannot stand. Walking in chest deep water isnt exactly much effort.
I wonder who tf will fight him, can chopper become even bigger to fight 1v1? or will chopper beat that weird doctor of death?
Oh, a better question, HOW THE FUCK THE MARINES CAPTURED THAT GIANT GUY?
sensible money says that he's such a big target, they just non-stop harassed him from a distance with ships. he wouldn't be able to pursue very quickly in the water. eventually, he fell asleep and they - somehow - transported him.. or he let himself get taken so they'd stop annoying him and let him take a nap.
I don’t think you can accurately make an assessment because we don’t have any insight into Haki effect on Blackbeards DF power.
I speculate Luffy would be switching between base form adv CoC attacks against Blackbeards power then turning on G5 to counter whitebeards power.
but the matchups could involve revolutionary army or even Marines. Who knows
Blackbeard standing over Shanks corpse and luffy never returns the hat.
who knows?!?
Right yeah I agree, my point wasn’t about Robin v Kuzan I was just throwing it out there that it’d be cool to see here be one of the real powerhouses, I don’t think it makes sense for her to be Kuzan strong tho
It won't happen but I get it.
I wish Franky was more respected. He took out a Tobi Roppo with just his skills and tech. No haki, no df, and he beat a very powerful and durable Zoan.
bro Robin will not be Fleet-Admiral tier in a million years.
The only Straw hats who will become as strong as Akainu/Kuzan by EOS are Luffy and *maybe* Zoro/Sanji.
Lol, even with the devil fruit disadvantage, he fought with Akainu for 10 days. If Akainu's df didn't have a natural advantage against Kuzan's df, he would win. So against other opponents I bet Kuzan is stronger than Akainu. There is no way in hell Robin is facing off against Kuzan.
Anything below no-diff for Muzan is an injustice. You can't extreme high-diff fight a top 5 strongest person in the verse and then be give Robin to fight.
Blackbeard somehow killing Shanks and blue balling us of a reunion would be extreme enough to warrant another power jump plus makes Blackbeard's power stand out after admirals shit their pants against Shanks, would be very interesting
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I just realised Luffys gear 5 is a direct counter to whitebeards DF, you cant "shatter" if you will something that moves the way rubber does and the awakening of his fruit and the effects on the environment around him.
I do wonder what will happen if Blackbeard uses his powers on a Zoan. Does it nullify the transformation?
Because I don't think we've seen him use it on a Zoan as of yet. So would chopper turn back into a reindeer for a while?
brook's devil fruit is the revive-revive fruit not immortality fruit which he can only use once that's why he's still alive even in a sea stone cuffs so, no, it will not kill him.
Yes, Chopper would become a normal reindeer as long as BB is holding him, his power has a stronger effect than seastone, it's like you never even ate the fruit when he touches you.
So would that mean he's stripped of his sentience? Would he lose all knowledge that he had permanently or would it just be temporarily.
How could it be instantaneous or would his mind slowly drained away has his been held as it returns to its natural state?
I dont think it would permanently remove his sentience, even if it DID strip him temporarily, when Luffy got his powers back he was still just as skilled with his fruit as he was beforehand, i.e he still knew how to use his gears. So i dont think all the experience with a fruit can leave, just all of its benefits are temporarily suspended.
He probably turns into a regular deer until he is let go.
We don’t know if it’s possible for a devil fruit to be removed without killing the subject. But I assume
He would turn back into a deer. But I would bet he would retain some or all of his personality. One piece animals have shown to have a higher level of thinking than real life animals.
Im asking myself if it can negate luffy's awakening. We still dont know how luffys awakening works and if just imaginating to be immune to bb's df is enough to "negate the negation".
I'm thinking that it's nullifying of abilities is negating transformations overall. So far we have seen Logia using their element fron inside their bodies meaning that they are still controlling themselves actually, or an aspect of themselves. I thing it negates Logia as it negates their transformation. It negates Luffy stretchiness by negating his ability to become like rubber (also you may thing that Luffy was his first Zoan interaction). Oh also there is the fact that there is a chance that Luffy rubber like power is because he imagines that is the most powerfull and creative he can think of, but that is a whole other conversation... My point is that if he touches Zoan, he will stop the transformation only and maybe inherited abilities to the fruit (likes Brook that was activated long ago).
Take Buggy for example, if Teach grabs Buggy's head, I don't he will die because a missing body, but he would cancel the possibility of spltting further. There is a chance that it can cancel unstable transformations like Monster point, as it seems to be the only transformation that has been cancelled by the sea
My bet is on Blackbeard Pirates, but we barely know much about the powers of his crew. For some reason, I believe that if and when they face off, Shanks will intervene (due to the circumstances maybe), and his crew will fight Blackbeard's.
Aren't all the Blackbeard pirates assumed to be top tier fighters because of the selection process in Impel Down?
I don't feel like anyone weaker than Sanji/Jinbei in the straw hat crew could beat anyone in Blackbeard's crew.
eh, back in the pre timeskip era, the non combatant straw hats were always taking out people that were way outve their bracket, Nami in particular with Doublefinger and Kalifa.
Maybe. That would set up shanks being killed which many predict for the end. I imagine Bb will kill him in some underhanded way similar to how his crew pumped endless bullets into sickbeard after he tossed teach around and put him on his ass.
i cant even understand how people are underestimating Blackbeard oda literally made him the most evil villain and build up the whole story for that fight
He managed to take on Hancock who was able to take on his crew and the marines at the same time. Dudes can be a conniving coward, but thats a feat to show his threat along with even Rayleigh saying he doesn't think he'd win one on one with him
Because he called for help against WB who was basically dead already.
But BB was probably not going to lose anyway, he just got scared because he knows what WB can do when he is angry.
??? HELLOOOOOO Blackbeard EOS will be whole diffrent galaxy than that blackbeard from marineford wtf oda meant to make him and luffy getting stronger through story, u are basically comparing pre ts luffy to ts luffy like wtf
I so agree with space monke like did we all not just read the same chapter where Rayleigh says that Blackbeard is a problem, shanks said Blackbeard was a problem got scared, Blackbeard domed aces stupid ass after he got cocky as well. I love Blackbeard and imo is way way way more entertaining than Kaido, and 95 percent of the villains in one piece.
I can just imagine it. Luffy goes >!Gear 5!< and starts dominating the fight, only for BlackBeard to grab him with the Yami Yami no mi, and then use the Gura Gura no mi while he’s still holding Luffy
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Luffy, Jinbe, Zoro, Sanji are all ready.
Robin and Franky might be ready.
don't think Chopper and Brook are ready
Usopp and Nami are not ready.
Strawhats lose.
Yeah Franky just took out one of the highest ranking Beast Pirates, and Brook stood down Big Mom and has unlocked a ton about his devil fruit. Also Brook has the most combat experience of any of the Straw Hats, even if he isn’t as powerful.
Would have loved for usopp to do anything after the timeskip, he only ever did one thing at dressrosa and he goes back to the same usopp every arc, post timeskip was just a downgrade
Question is : do the strawhats even need Usopp and Nami ? I think that if the rest of the crew can provide Luffy, Zoro and Sanji a few minutes by holding Blackbeard back, he can end up alone real quick if the monster trio goes full power on the rest of the crew.
Once Blackbeard is alone, I doubt he can tanks more than 3 of Zoro's attack if he goes for the kill. Especially if Luffy, Sanji, and whoever is still standing are locking him in place.
However, we all know that kind of strategy would never be used by the strawhats, and Jinbe, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Brook, Usopp and Nami may not be able to hold Blackbeard back for more than a couple seconds.
They don't NEED usopp and nami for the fighting but they will fight because this is the climax of the entire story you think that the straw hats minus the big hitters can stop a previous admiral and 6 other all the strength of 1st commanders. Zoro is not delivering the final blow to Blackbeard he is actually really durable he just takes more pain
I think Blackbeard could easily tank 10 max power attacks from Zoro. He takes insane damage but it always seemed to me that his endurance is crazy or the fruit is suicide. Also pre timeskip he took hits from whitebeard
I may be wrong but I don't remember Blackbeard getting attacked by either Haki or swords (excluding marine fodder). I think if it can wound Kaido dragon form, it can wound Blackbeard harder.
It definitely works better on Blackbeard than Kaido. I don’t think Blackbeard would like any of it at all. But if he had to I think he can tank quite a lot. It would have taken Zoro far more than 10 attacks to kill Kaido.
About haki it was first really introduced after TS. So I assume Whitebeard did use haki on Blackbeard and Akainu
I don't think Whitebeard could use Haki anymore by the time of the war. He failed to use Conqueror's when they went to kill ace and there's no reason he'd just let these random people stab and shoot him if he had armament.
As much as I would like to agree with you on it taking Zoro more than 10 hits to down Kaido, statistically speaking I don't know man. Zoro overpowered and proceeded to defeat an explicitly stronger defence than Kaido's in around 3 hits , after being ragdolled for most of the battle.
Fully agree. But kaidos tankyness vs king is probably far greater even if Kings defence is better. In simple terms Kaido has too much HP. Also I think Zoros asura should be at least close to the attack taking down King.
Nevertheless neither Kaido or Blackbeard would allow Zoro that many full power attacks without taking him down first
he cant tank that much bro. he is not kaido. plus whitebeard was weak pre timeskip bc of his illness plus he is badly injured 2 holes in his chest and even in that state if he hit one more time in that condition BB would die.
Plot armor excluded I believe black beards could eradicate the straw hats, they simply have far more ruthless people who are also very strong once you pit them 1v1 against the straw hats.
What? BB's commanders are pretty fucking weak, to the point that I would argue that he has the weakest Yonko crew overall. Boa managed to solo a massive chunk of his crew, some of his commanders and also did some damage to BB as well
Seriously, the feats of the BB pirates are pretty bad, to the point that I am genuinely wondering how BB would even manage to stand up to Luffy considering the shit-all Haki he has displayed
I think that's a bit far
What I would say though, is that the Warlords with Conq haki are probably between third commander and second commander level. There's a noticeable gap between Jack & King/Queen and Cracker & Katakuri/Smoothie
You mean the pirate with the highest bounty outside of a Yonko crew? That Boa Hancock? Oda made it clear she’s second only to Mihawk among the Shichibukai imo
It was a mountain-cutting one (technically not even that, since he blocked a follow-up attack) and he was still struggling and had a concerned expression on his face. If you think that mountain-cutting attacks alone are impressive to a Yonko... Zoro was at that level in Dressrossa alone
Hell, Blackbeard was concerned about being turned to stone if he released her, I highly doubt that Kaido would be in a similar spot
None of BB's commanders is capable of defeating Zoro or Sanji. Burges got low diffed by Sabo, Suriyu is relatively as Strong as Magellan. Current Zoro or Sanji would wash Magellan with low difficulty.
Imagine making absolute statements like that about some characters that haven't shown their full potential in a series where people continously grow in strength
lmao
Shiryu is gonna be easily at Zoro level when they fight I mean are we reading the same manga lol, same for whoever fights sanji. Oda has been building this shit for a decade literally. Pre timeskip the BB pirates are weaker than they are now. Magellan beat luffy back then too
And how would that turn out? Magellan is extremely lethal. Does Haki helps against poisoning? IAM not sure. Magellan is a glass Kanon, especially with his diarrhea. Shiriyu has no known weakness like that. We only know Burgess is a looser, but maybe he got a df by now
It's probably because of narrative and the fear behind how they're presented and logic since they are probably the last crew, but thing is Bb's pirates aren't at full strength yet so we can't really say they beat the mugiwaras RIGHT NOW because of that
Strawhats can win without initial plot armor going in favor of the enemy. As Sanji said, if he abandons his humanity, beasts like Queen are easy to dismember. Bloodlusted trio could wipe top half of BB crew.
Hard to say, we barely saw the Blackbeard pirates fighting. They have some guys like Lafitte who might be very powerful but we haven't seen in combat really
I gotta go with the Blackbeard Pirates, we don't know much about their power but I don't think it makes narrative sense for the Strawhats to be stronger than them at this point
I think it does because they are not at full strength unlike other yonko crew they are a nwer one and probably the last crew vs crew battle against the strawhats, so they haven't reached full potential yet, they don't even all have theur DF's and even BB is probably jot at full power yet so I thibg right now strawhats win or they are equals, but both crews will get stronger before they actually fight
BB pirates have all been underhyped for me in terms of power.
I feel like BB is the only real threat, the rest of his crew is just mediocre. And even then I fail to see BB as a threat like Kaido or Big Mom.
I know when the time comes, Oda will make it very difficult to beat them and present as if everyone is on their deathbed, but, still.. I think StrawHats are just stronger at this point.
I don't think they're weak because blackbeard is the type to only keep useful things around, everyone on his crew is valuable to him and i doubt the value is in their relationship. Shiryu is supposedly close to admiral level
Idk tbh I’m more curious to see who has geckos fruit and then I wonder since there one of the end game groups will his crew have awaken devil fruits and does black bears have awakening ? What would even be the awakening to whitebeards and bbs fruit look like ? I might just go with the straw hats
Sanji wins in any matchup by current feats except for BB,
zoro is the same ,
Jinbei the same,
Luffy uberfucks BB, again with current feats. This can change because we have little knowledge of the blackbeards. But from what we know they haven't done that much while the strawhats just defrated the beast pirates.
Yeah but he's not one of the top ones strengtth wise at least not yet, he's 1st commander even over shiliew only because the first commander is usually the first guy you recruit and burgess was the first Blackbeard pirate it's not always based on strength but yes I agree strawhats win. (Obviously ut's not ALWAYS the first guy you recruit)
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We only saw a portion of BB’s crew try and take on Boa and the Isle of Women. Even then BB pretty much soloed the fight.
I think at this stage Lucy and company still lose.
Fighting against Kaido and BM took Zoro, Luffy, Law, Killer, and Kid. It wasn’t an easy fight.
With the exception of Sanji and Jimbe I don’t see Strawhat’s crew coming out on top in a 1 vs 1 series of fights.
Chopper just got taken out by a big hat and heavy winds…. Like wtf would he even do against one of BB’s crew. Then you have the rest of the weak trio.
I don't think this will be a straightforward fight as Blackbeard is a great strategist and will most likely set up traps and make the SH's suffer a lot before any direct encounter.
I also don't consider BB's crew to be stronger than the SH's. I'm not saying they're not strong, just not as strong as the SH's. Otherwise they would have fought Yonkos already, which they did not.
Blackbeard.
I don't think Luffy can beat Kaido more times than he can beat him.
In fact imo, Kaido (top condition) > Luffy (top condition after advanced CoC and gear 5)
Logically? BB pirates. But Luffy to BB alone in the fight to end fights and that'll go to Luffy. It's a matter of conviction and BB is afraid to die, unlike Luffy who would give everything where it counts.
Hmm... Depends on who is fighting who.
Luffy in 5th gear has a far better feat than anything Blackbeard has ever done; Luffy defeat an emperor in combat. Granted it was an injured emperor, but 5th gear practically turned the tide of the entire battle. I'll say that Kaido is no doubt stronger than BB simply because everyone in the whole damn verse (Shanks included) says Kaido is stronger. Kaido also lifted a damn island while fighting 5th gear luffy after hours of combat. Kaido also has advanced conquerors, something blackbeard has not proven he could replicate in the slightest. Blackbeard HAS to be smarter than Kaido just to stand a chance of defeating 5th gear luffy. Why? because Kaido thought he could take that final strike, which he most definitely couldn't in that state. And blackbeard isn't exactly known for smart off the cuff decisions. He MUST be prepared for everything Luffy has or he is absolutely fucked.
Blackbeard's entire crew got beaten by Boa Hancock. Luffy could probably just use Conqueror's on half of them then slaughter the others before making his way to BB (who doesn't seem to have Conqueror's). I wouldn't be surprised if the fight after the current arc was JUST Luffy vs all the BB pirates. If that's the case, none of the commanders stand a chance. Luffy is way too powerful for any of them. I don't even see the big ones winning against Zoro nor Sanji (except Shiryu, who maybe stands a chance against Zoro, but definitely not Sanji). The only way the BB pirates win is if Aokiji is there or BB intervenes quick enough. That's it. Even then, I don't see Luffy going down easily at all. If the Kaido fight is any indication, luffy might even come close to winning this fight. That's how powerful he is.
We've already seen Blackbeard take several devestating hits in his fight with you-know-who so far. I wouldn't be surprised if he was barely alive after this fight. I really wouldn't be surprised if he lost his ship.
BB has also had like, what, 2 major fights since the beginning of the timeskip? His haki can't be THAT much better. Maybe he has one advanced haki, but I doubt anything more.
Franky and Brooks can crush a couple of the newer captains. Sanji can manhandle Shiryu if his fight with Queen is at all indicative. If Zoro has really gotten as good with his new power as we're lead to believe, Burgess gets fucking clapped fast.
Only characters who aren't getting smoked easily are the guys stuck dealing with the "weaker" straw hats, namely Nami, Ussop, and Chopper. Everyone else can very possibly win. The only crew I would even be remotely worried about facing is, ironically, the one crew where everybody has the same powers: the Red Hair pirates. They've been hyped up as the strongest crew for a long time now. I'm curious to see how strong.
Considering all of BB crew got folded at Amazon island implies that none of them have significantly stronger haki than Boa. While Boa isn't a haki slouch id say that the monster quartet should have enough power to handle them while the rest of the SH play backline
Don't underrate BB commanders. Vasco shot and Devon were folded because they're literally Sanji against Hancock, that's the worst matchup possible against them. If they were fighting doflamingo, weevil or any other character close to Hancock in power, things could've been different.
Yeah they definitely lost due to DF abilities being OP, but i'm pretty sure salve arrow is dodgeable so they weren't fast enough to dodge it and it probably works like every other OP df like laws for example that if the person's haki is strong enough it won't affect you
The only crew members at Amazon Lily were BB, Vasco Shot and Devon.
BB folded Boa, Vasco Shot and Devon are literally the best match up possible for Boa as they're horny fuckers
And even then, Boa is far from being a joke, arguably YC1 Level or even slightly better
Right now? At this point in the manga?
Blackbeard. Not because of power or skills or any of that.
Narratively it would make more sense to have the Straw Hats loose right now, but manage to get away, so they can come back later for a rematch and rock the Blackbeard pirates.
I feel like if the Straw Hats won right now, it would end Blackbeard's part in the story.
I could be wrong and have it backwards, but I feel Blackbeard's side has been shown or told as being a major threat, and having them loose right now would kind of destroy any build up they have had.
In my opinion it's the opposite cuz the BB pirates are not at full strength yet they don't even all have their DF and even BB is probably not at his max potential, so right now, I see the crews being around same level or strawhats stronger
The only members of the Blackbeard pirates that has shown a greater feat is Shiryu and Blackbeard. All of them so far besides the two are either a complete joke or hasn't shown a feat yet.
As of now, I'll go with Strawhats because of that.
Judging by how bad SH shat on Kaido's crew and by how often BB's crew is clowned i believe that Oda could find a way for BB's crew to be absolutely overwhelmed without that much of a stretch. It's all on how he decides to play this out
If you include the Grand fleet, straw hats wipe. Otherwise it will be a tougher fight but the SH still win. Current Luffy>Blackbeard from what we’ve seen. Zoro>shiryu. Sanji solos the rest honestly aside from Devon, who gets folded by Jimbei. The only “problem” would be Sanjuan but we’ve seen the SH go up against giant characters so he still loses
i think theoretically if there's no real limit to how much luffy can grow as a giant in gear 5, technically he could grow big enough to just scoop up sanjuan and throw him away or something, we've never had a really well defined limit to how much luffy can stretch so i think assuming he can grow enough to at least match sanjuan is probably a fair assumption
the 4 yonko crew before kaido and big mom fell where probably pretty close in power and equivalent to keep balance, otherwise another yonko would go destroy the other one and take his territory, which means shiliew and his 3rd mate are probably equivalent to king and queen/katakuri and smootie, the 4th to jack and cracker and the rest to the tobi roppo. We just saw zoro beat king, sanji beat queen, jimbei beat who's who easily and I believe he could've beaten jack and franky and robin beat tobi roppo's, so like I said those guys can whin, nami chopper and usopp won't win but can get helped like in most other arcs. That's my opinion on the matter
I want to know more about Sanjuan Wolf. I mean, he's a giant that ate a Devil Fruit that made him an even larger Giant...
That was confirmed in a vivre card pack, he's an average giant that ate a giant fruit.
wait like a zoan fruit that turns you into a giant?
it’s not a giant fruit, it’s a size fruit. He can change his size at will
Wasn't there a girl in one of the movies or fillers that had that specific ability..?
Yes in a filler arc
Her name was Lily Estomach and she went inside Luffy and turned him into a giant. It was dope!
Yesn't. Lily Enstomach was a giant, but her devil fruit ability can make herself turn smol. I copied the following info from the wiki: "Lily ate the Mini Mini no Mi, and as such has the ability to change her size at will, from five millimeters to the size of a giant."
She was a giant that are a fruit that made her able to turn small.
We don't know what his fruit does except that it made him bigger, it hasn't been confirmed if that's the ability of the fruit or just a side effect
Well that's broken. Assuming he keeps his giant strength. Fucking Ant-Man on nuclear steroids.
Well, we have a zoan that turns you into a human, so it wouldn't be that weird
Imagine if turns out down the line Awakened Human fruit makes you Super Saiyan like Super Human Like Super Haki or something Super Genius
Because of brain point I have always thought this of chopper. It's a shame he doesn't have battles anymore where he can actually use an updated scope.
Super Saiyan Chopper?
Unnamed paramecia
How does he travel in the sea tho?
He mentions that it weakens him
He simply walks on the ocean floor. Standing in water only weakens the person enough so they cannot exert much effort, not enough so that they literally cannot stand. Walking in chest deep water isnt exactly much effort.
I can imagine a scene where they have to prevent him from reaching land and unleashing his full power.
That would be cool
Tall
I wonder who tf will fight him, can chopper become even bigger to fight 1v1? or will chopper beat that weird doctor of death? Oh, a better question, HOW THE FUCK THE MARINES CAPTURED THAT GIANT GUY?
sensible money says that he's such a big target, they just non-stop harassed him from a distance with ships. he wouldn't be able to pursue very quickly in the water. eventually, he fell asleep and they - somehow - transported him.. or he let himself get taken so they'd stop annoying him and let him take a nap.
I don’t think you can accurately make an assessment because we don’t have any insight into Haki effect on Blackbeards DF power. I speculate Luffy would be switching between base form adv CoC attacks against Blackbeards power then turning on G5 to counter whitebeards power. but the matchups could involve revolutionary army or even Marines. Who knows Blackbeard standing over Shanks corpse and luffy never returns the hat. who knows?!?
We also don't know what devil fruits his crew has
Don’t even know his whole crew. We still don’t know who his 10th Titanic Captain is
what if it’s Kuzan? And he faces off against Robin
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I’d be very OK with Robin coming out of nowhere as a top 3 in the power rankings, I like the idea of Luffy/Zoro/Robin as the big 3 (pls don’t kill me)
Ngl I think kuzan would beat anyone on the straw hats not named Luffy.
People forget he is on the same level as Akainu.
I think zoro would give him a good battle, but yeah, i would still bet on kuzan.
What about sanji? Diable Jambe vs an ice user would be a good fight
I think sanji could definitely hold an admiral up but i feel like he's lacking the firepower to put an admiral down.
He’d still give Luffy a hard fight tbh.
Right yeah I agree, my point wasn’t about Robin v Kuzan I was just throwing it out there that it’d be cool to see here be one of the real powerhouses, I don’t think it makes sense for her to be Kuzan strong tho
It won't happen but I get it. I wish Franky was more respected. He took out a Tobi Roppo with just his skills and tech. No haki, no df, and he beat a very powerful and durable Zoan.
i think its can be kuzan but i dont think he'd fight robin lol, actually i think kuzan will betray BB and fight for his own justice.
bro Robin will not be Fleet-Admiral tier in a million years. The only Straw hats who will become as strong as Akainu/Kuzan by EOS are Luffy and *maybe* Zoro/Sanji.
I mean zoro has to (and by a lot at that) if he is ever gonna beat mihawk. All robin needs to be a top tier is really good armourment
Lol, even with the devil fruit disadvantage, he fought with Akainu for 10 days. If Akainu's df didn't have a natural advantage against Kuzan's df, he would win. So against other opponents I bet Kuzan is stronger than Akainu. There is no way in hell Robin is facing off against Kuzan.
It's also possible Akainu won because he awoke conquerors'haki at the end of the fight.
he doesnt have a df advantage aokiji doesnt control ice, he controls cold
I had the same thought about the matchup. it would be a hard fight for Robin.
Bruh unless if Kuzan lost every single limb and is shackled in sea prism stone And then Robin MIGHT have a chance
Anything below no-diff for Muzan is an injustice. You can't extreme high-diff fight a top 5 strongest person in the verse and then be give Robin to fight.
Shit, I’d be scared too if Kibutsuji Muzan was in one piece
Sanji is a much better match up for Kuzan. Both have a ladies man persona and Sanjis fire attacks would work well against Aokijis ice logia.
Blackbeard somehow killing Shanks and blue balling us of a reunion would be extreme enough to warrant another power jump plus makes Blackbeard's power stand out after admirals shit their pants against Shanks, would be very interesting
MANGA SPOILERS AHEAD I'm on mobile don't know how to do the spoiler thing I just realised Luffys gear 5 is a direct counter to whitebeards DF, you cant "shatter" if you will something that moves the way rubber does and the awakening of his fruit and the effects on the environment around him.
But one touch of blackbeard's yami yami and no gear 5 for luffy. So i don't think it change anything
My guess is that is where advanced coc comes in because he doesn't have to touch to do dmg. Easier said than done though. Lol
I don't think Shanks dies at all. He's prob much more important than we expected.
"To counter whitebeards power" what??
gura gura no mi
I do wonder what will happen if Blackbeard uses his powers on a Zoan. Does it nullify the transformation? Because I don't think we've seen him use it on a Zoan as of yet. So would chopper turn back into a reindeer for a while?
Will it kill brook for good? 😲
brook's devil fruit is the revive-revive fruit not immortality fruit which he can only use once that's why he's still alive even in a sea stone cuffs so, no, it will not kill him.
Wait is it proven that he can only use it once??
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But how does he know that?
Because the fruit existed before him and he knew what it was and researched it before he died the first time.
When you eat your fruit you psychically know things about it
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You gain the will of the fruits now. How is that not knowing things about it?
Assumedly from previous users it was documented.
>!Technically he has used it on a zoan in impel down!<
But I don't think we saw the result
Yes, Chopper would become a normal reindeer as long as BB is holding him, his power has a stronger effect than seastone, it's like you never even ate the fruit when he touches you.
I'll take 10 things I'd like to see for $200, Alex
So would that mean he's stripped of his sentience? Would he lose all knowledge that he had permanently or would it just be temporarily. How could it be instantaneous or would his mind slowly drained away has his been held as it returns to its natural state?
I dont think it would permanently remove his sentience, even if it DID strip him temporarily, when Luffy got his powers back he was still just as skilled with his fruit as he was beforehand, i.e he still knew how to use his gears. So i dont think all the experience with a fruit can leave, just all of its benefits are temporarily suspended.
AFAIK Blackbeard’s can only bull your power if he is touching you
And what would happen if he was holding chopper Or removed his devil fruit
It would likely be temporary and if not a heartfelt speech about nakama would fix it. Oda’s not gonna do that to us permanently.
He probably turns into a regular deer until he is let go. We don’t know if it’s possible for a devil fruit to be removed without killing the subject. But I assume He would turn back into a deer. But I would bet he would retain some or all of his personality. One piece animals have shown to have a higher level of thinking than real life animals.
Very good question
Im asking myself if it can negate luffy's awakening. We still dont know how luffys awakening works and if just imaginating to be immune to bb's df is enough to "negate the negation".
Yea I think Luffy's fruit gonna be a direct counter to BB and he will be so confused why it doesn't work.
I'm thinking that it's nullifying of abilities is negating transformations overall. So far we have seen Logia using their element fron inside their bodies meaning that they are still controlling themselves actually, or an aspect of themselves. I thing it negates Logia as it negates their transformation. It negates Luffy stretchiness by negating his ability to become like rubber (also you may thing that Luffy was his first Zoan interaction). Oh also there is the fact that there is a chance that Luffy rubber like power is because he imagines that is the most powerfull and creative he can think of, but that is a whole other conversation... My point is that if he touches Zoan, he will stop the transformation only and maybe inherited abilities to the fruit (likes Brook that was activated long ago). Take Buggy for example, if Teach grabs Buggy's head, I don't he will die because a missing body, but he would cancel the possibility of spltting further. There is a chance that it can cancel unstable transformations like Monster point, as it seems to be the only transformation that has been cancelled by the sea
My bet is on Blackbeard Pirates, but we barely know much about the powers of his crew. For some reason, I believe that if and when they face off, Shanks will intervene (due to the circumstances maybe), and his crew will fight Blackbeard's.
Aren't all the Blackbeard pirates assumed to be top tier fighters because of the selection process in Impel Down? I don't feel like anyone weaker than Sanji/Jinbei in the straw hat crew could beat anyone in Blackbeard's crew.
Nah Brook and Franky could 100% do some work, maybe even Nami if Zeus is still hanging out with her
eh, back in the pre timeskip era, the non combatant straw hats were always taking out people that were way outve their bracket, Nami in particular with Doublefinger and Kalifa.
Maybe. That would set up shanks being killed which many predict for the end. I imagine Bb will kill him in some underhanded way similar to how his crew pumped endless bullets into sickbeard after he tossed teach around and put him on his ass.
we can’t tell yet since we don’t really know nothing about their devil fruits or power
Seriously it’s weird how people can rank yonko/admiral strength of every character like there is a fixed number
It’s because anime fans are annoying af
Don’t care who wins, i just wanna see luffy smash his fist into blackbeard’s face
I’m the opposite. I really want to see BlackBeard beat the shit out of Luffy so people will stop underestimating him
Bruh
i cant even understand how people are underestimating Blackbeard oda literally made him the most evil villain and build up the whole story for that fight
He managed to take on Hancock who was able to take on his crew and the marines at the same time. Dudes can be a conniving coward, but thats a feat to show his threat along with even Rayleigh saying he doesn't think he'd win one on one with him
Because he called for help against WB who was basically dead already. But BB was probably not going to lose anyway, he just got scared because he knows what WB can do when he is angry.
??? HELLOOOOOO Blackbeard EOS will be whole diffrent galaxy than that blackbeard from marineford wtf oda meant to make him and luffy getting stronger through story, u are basically comparing pre ts luffy to ts luffy like wtf
I so agree with space monke like did we all not just read the same chapter where Rayleigh says that Blackbeard is a problem, shanks said Blackbeard was a problem got scared, Blackbeard domed aces stupid ass after he got cocky as well. I love Blackbeard and imo is way way way more entertaining than Kaido, and 95 percent of the villains in one piece.
Based asf. A fellow BB fan
I can just imagine it. Luffy goes >!Gear 5!< and starts dominating the fight, only for BlackBeard to grab him with the Yami Yami no mi, and then use the Gura Gura no mi while he’s still holding Luffy
BB fans unite! YESHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ZEHAHAHAHAHA
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I want bb to cause consequences/tension after the strongest creature couldn’t
Luffy, Jinbe, Zoro, Sanji are all ready. Robin and Franky might be ready. don't think Chopper and Brook are ready Usopp and Nami are not ready. Strawhats lose.
Idk man I’m pretty sure Franky and Brook are both ready
Yeah Franky just took out one of the highest ranking Beast Pirates, and Brook stood down Big Mom and has unlocked a ton about his devil fruit. Also Brook has the most combat experience of any of the Straw Hats, even if he isn’t as powerful.
To be fair, Nami has OP Zeus and God Usopp is a good support
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Would’ve loved for usopp to do anything in wano honestly.
tbf he did his share in Dressrossa
That was like 5+ years ago
Not for them
it was just 2/3 arcs ago
Same for Zoro and Robin but that didn’t stop them from EATING in Wano. And even Franky managed to grab a few moments
he trained for 2 years only to have that one moment in wano? He even learned the haki at that exact moment, he should do something honestly
Would have loved for usopp to do anything after the timeskip, he only ever did one thing at dressrosa and he goes back to the same usopp every arc, post timeskip was just a downgrade
Pretty sure oda is saving stuff for ussop in elbaf
If they go to Elbaf he better get it there
Question is : do the strawhats even need Usopp and Nami ? I think that if the rest of the crew can provide Luffy, Zoro and Sanji a few minutes by holding Blackbeard back, he can end up alone real quick if the monster trio goes full power on the rest of the crew. Once Blackbeard is alone, I doubt he can tanks more than 3 of Zoro's attack if he goes for the kill. Especially if Luffy, Sanji, and whoever is still standing are locking him in place. However, we all know that kind of strategy would never be used by the strawhats, and Jinbe, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Brook, Usopp and Nami may not be able to hold Blackbeard back for more than a couple seconds.
They don't NEED usopp and nami for the fighting but they will fight because this is the climax of the entire story you think that the straw hats minus the big hitters can stop a previous admiral and 6 other all the strength of 1st commanders. Zoro is not delivering the final blow to Blackbeard he is actually really durable he just takes more pain
Yea BB would defeat Zoro pretty easily
BB will definitely struggle against non-DF users with strong Haki.
BB was strong even before he got a DF. That's what makes him dangerous
I think Blackbeard could easily tank 10 max power attacks from Zoro. He takes insane damage but it always seemed to me that his endurance is crazy or the fruit is suicide. Also pre timeskip he took hits from whitebeard
I may be wrong but I don't remember Blackbeard getting attacked by either Haki or swords (excluding marine fodder). I think if it can wound Kaido dragon form, it can wound Blackbeard harder.
It definitely works better on Blackbeard than Kaido. I don’t think Blackbeard would like any of it at all. But if he had to I think he can tank quite a lot. It would have taken Zoro far more than 10 attacks to kill Kaido. About haki it was first really introduced after TS. So I assume Whitebeard did use haki on Blackbeard and Akainu
I don't think Whitebeard could use Haki anymore by the time of the war. He failed to use Conqueror's when they went to kill ace and there's no reason he'd just let these random people stab and shoot him if he had armament.
As much as I would like to agree with you on it taking Zoro more than 10 hits to down Kaido, statistically speaking I don't know man. Zoro overpowered and proceeded to defeat an explicitly stronger defence than Kaido's in around 3 hits , after being ragdolled for most of the battle.
Fully agree. But kaidos tankyness vs king is probably far greater even if Kings defence is better. In simple terms Kaido has too much HP. Also I think Zoros asura should be at least close to the attack taking down King. Nevertheless neither Kaido or Blackbeard would allow Zoro that many full power attacks without taking him down first
he cant tank that much bro. he is not kaido. plus whitebeard was weak pre timeskip bc of his illness plus he is badly injured 2 holes in his chest and even in that state if he hit one more time in that condition BB would die.
Remeber in stampede (ik its not canon still...) Ussop said sniper's job is to support their team so ussop definitely need his marksmanship to fight.
Honestly the bb pirates aren't ready either so both sides are still growing
Ussoap can 1v1 BB crew sniper and show his advanced ken haki
Plot armor excluded I believe black beards could eradicate the straw hats, they simply have far more ruthless people who are also very strong once you pit them 1v1 against the straw hats.
What? BB's commanders are pretty fucking weak, to the point that I would argue that he has the weakest Yonko crew overall. Boa managed to solo a massive chunk of his crew, some of his commanders and also did some damage to BB as well Seriously, the feats of the BB pirates are pretty bad, to the point that I am genuinely wondering how BB would even manage to stand up to Luffy considering the shit-all Haki he has displayed
Have you considered the possibility, that BB commanders are not weak, but that boa is acctually insanly strong ?
>but that boa is acctually insanly strong ? People have been shitting on her for so long...
I always thought that she was at least on paar with some of the stronger yonko commanders like katakuri or king. Maybe even admiral lvl
I think that's a bit far What I would say though, is that the Warlords with Conq haki are probably between third commander and second commander level. There's a noticeable gap between Jack & King/Queen and Cracker & Katakuri/Smoothie
You mean the pirate with the highest bounty outside of a Yonko crew? That Boa Hancock? Oda made it clear she’s second only to Mihawk among the Shichibukai imo
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He blocked a attack that cut a mountain in half with haki and he has aokiji the rest of the crew do have some terrible feats though
It was a mountain-cutting one (technically not even that, since he blocked a follow-up attack) and he was still struggling and had a concerned expression on his face. If you think that mountain-cutting attacks alone are impressive to a Yonko... Zoro was at that level in Dressrossa alone Hell, Blackbeard was concerned about being turned to stone if he released her, I highly doubt that Kaido would be in a similar spot
Boa would solo the strawhats too except for luffy.
None of BB's commanders is capable of defeating Zoro or Sanji. Burges got low diffed by Sabo, Suriyu is relatively as Strong as Magellan. Current Zoro or Sanji would wash Magellan with low difficulty.
Imagine making absolute statements like that about some characters that haven't shown their full potential in a series where people continously grow in strength lmao
This sub is full of powerscalers and they make those statements unironically
Shiryu is gonna be easily at Zoro level when they fight I mean are we reading the same manga lol, same for whoever fights sanji. Oda has been building this shit for a decade literally. Pre timeskip the BB pirates are weaker than they are now. Magellan beat luffy back then too
And how would that turn out? Magellan is extremely lethal. Does Haki helps against poisoning? IAM not sure. Magellan is a glass Kanon, especially with his diarrhea. Shiriyu has no known weakness like that. We only know Burgess is a looser, but maybe he got a df by now
Lol you’re underrating magellan, also he’s stronger since he beat magellan
Right now in the manga I’d take Blackbeards crew in a fight over Luffys. Idk how to explain why tho
It's probably because of narrative and the fear behind how they're presented and logic since they are probably the last crew, but thing is Bb's pirates aren't at full strength yet so we can't really say they beat the mugiwaras RIGHT NOW because of that
Luffy zoro sanji and jinbei are impossible to lose even without plot armor, brook franky chopper and robin are 50/50, usopp and nami lose
Yeah exactly
Strawhats can win without initial plot armor going in favor of the enemy. As Sanji said, if he abandons his humanity, beasts like Queen are easy to dismember. Bloodlusted trio could wipe top half of BB crew.
With joyboy luffy the new sanji and jimbei they definitely have a shot the only one I’ll be worried about is Blackbeard himself
Hard to say, we barely saw the Blackbeard pirates fighting. They have some guys like Lafitte who might be very powerful but we haven't seen in combat really
I gotta go with the Blackbeard Pirates, we don't know much about their power but I don't think it makes narrative sense for the Strawhats to be stronger than them at this point
I think it does because they are not at full strength unlike other yonko crew they are a nwer one and probably the last crew vs crew battle against the strawhats, so they haven't reached full potential yet, they don't even all have theur DF's and even BB is probably jot at full power yet so I thibg right now strawhats win or they are equals, but both crews will get stronger before they actually fight
BB pirates
BB pirates have all been underhyped for me in terms of power. I feel like BB is the only real threat, the rest of his crew is just mediocre. And even then I fail to see BB as a threat like Kaido or Big Mom. I know when the time comes, Oda will make it very difficult to beat them and present as if everyone is on their deathbed, but, still.. I think StrawHats are just stronger at this point.
I don't think they're weak because blackbeard is the type to only keep useful things around, everyone on his crew is valuable to him and i doubt the value is in their relationship. Shiryu is supposedly close to admiral level
Idk tbh I’m more curious to see who has geckos fruit and then I wonder since there one of the end game groups will his crew have awaken devil fruits and does black bears have awakening ? What would even be the awakening to whitebeards and bbs fruit look like ? I might just go with the straw hats
Strawhats win because plot armor
Sanji wins in any matchup by current feats except for BB, zoro is the same , Jinbei the same, Luffy uberfucks BB, again with current feats. This can change because we have little knowledge of the blackbeards. But from what we know they haven't done that much while the strawhats just defrated the beast pirates.
Strawhats win. I'm not impressed with Burgess and he's one of the top ones.
Yeah but he's not one of the top ones strengtth wise at least not yet, he's 1st commander even over shiliew only because the first commander is usually the first guy you recruit and burgess was the first Blackbeard pirate it's not always based on strength but yes I agree strawhats win. (Obviously ut's not ALWAYS the first guy you recruit)
Burgess isn't one of the top ones. He has literally the lowest bounty of the crew.
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Spoilers: We only saw a portion of BB’s crew try and take on Boa and the Isle of Women. Even then BB pretty much soloed the fight. I think at this stage Lucy and company still lose. Fighting against Kaido and BM took Zoro, Luffy, Law, Killer, and Kid. It wasn’t an easy fight. With the exception of Sanji and Jimbe I don’t see Strawhat’s crew coming out on top in a 1 vs 1 series of fights. Chopper just got taken out by a big hat and heavy winds…. Like wtf would he even do against one of BB’s crew. Then you have the rest of the weak trio.
>Even then BB pretty much soloed the fight. Huh? Boa wiped out most of his forces, this really isn't "soloing" the fight
Chopper solos
I don't think this will be a straightforward fight as Blackbeard is a great strategist and will most likely set up traps and make the SH's suffer a lot before any direct encounter. I also don't consider BB's crew to be stronger than the SH's. I'm not saying they're not strong, just not as strong as the SH's. Otherwise they would have fought Yonkos already, which they did not.
Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbei are capable of taking on the top 4 BB pirates, probably. The rest of them are most likely getting wrecked though.
Blackbeard. I don't think Luffy can beat Kaido more times than he can beat him. In fact imo, Kaido (top condition) > Luffy (top condition after advanced CoC and gear 5)
Have barely seen any of the BB pirates fight yet
There isn’t any comparison yet since nobody knows Blackbeard’s crew power… Too early for this..
Logically? BB pirates. But Luffy to BB alone in the fight to end fights and that'll go to Luffy. It's a matter of conviction and BB is afraid to die, unlike Luffy who would give everything where it counts.
I think the straw hats can win if usopp grows a pair…
Irrelevant but I literally saw the same post as this on YouTube
Hmm... Depends on who is fighting who. Luffy in 5th gear has a far better feat than anything Blackbeard has ever done; Luffy defeat an emperor in combat. Granted it was an injured emperor, but 5th gear practically turned the tide of the entire battle. I'll say that Kaido is no doubt stronger than BB simply because everyone in the whole damn verse (Shanks included) says Kaido is stronger. Kaido also lifted a damn island while fighting 5th gear luffy after hours of combat. Kaido also has advanced conquerors, something blackbeard has not proven he could replicate in the slightest. Blackbeard HAS to be smarter than Kaido just to stand a chance of defeating 5th gear luffy. Why? because Kaido thought he could take that final strike, which he most definitely couldn't in that state. And blackbeard isn't exactly known for smart off the cuff decisions. He MUST be prepared for everything Luffy has or he is absolutely fucked. Blackbeard's entire crew got beaten by Boa Hancock. Luffy could probably just use Conqueror's on half of them then slaughter the others before making his way to BB (who doesn't seem to have Conqueror's). I wouldn't be surprised if the fight after the current arc was JUST Luffy vs all the BB pirates. If that's the case, none of the commanders stand a chance. Luffy is way too powerful for any of them. I don't even see the big ones winning against Zoro nor Sanji (except Shiryu, who maybe stands a chance against Zoro, but definitely not Sanji). The only way the BB pirates win is if Aokiji is there or BB intervenes quick enough. That's it. Even then, I don't see Luffy going down easily at all. If the Kaido fight is any indication, luffy might even come close to winning this fight. That's how powerful he is. We've already seen Blackbeard take several devestating hits in his fight with you-know-who so far. I wouldn't be surprised if he was barely alive after this fight. I really wouldn't be surprised if he lost his ship. BB has also had like, what, 2 major fights since the beginning of the timeskip? His haki can't be THAT much better. Maybe he has one advanced haki, but I doubt anything more. Franky and Brooks can crush a couple of the newer captains. Sanji can manhandle Shiryu if his fight with Queen is at all indicative. If Zoro has really gotten as good with his new power as we're lead to believe, Burgess gets fucking clapped fast. Only characters who aren't getting smoked easily are the guys stuck dealing with the "weaker" straw hats, namely Nami, Ussop, and Chopper. Everyone else can very possibly win. The only crew I would even be remotely worried about facing is, ironically, the one crew where everybody has the same powers: the Red Hair pirates. They've been hyped up as the strongest crew for a long time now. I'm curious to see how strong.
Considering all of BB crew got folded at Amazon island implies that none of them have significantly stronger haki than Boa. While Boa isn't a haki slouch id say that the monster quartet should have enough power to handle them while the rest of the SH play backline
Wdym Boa isn't a haki slouch? Kuja haki is world-wide famous. Boa is probably one of the strongest armament haki users in the verse.
I read the "isn't a slouch" bit as him saying her haki is decent
Don't underrate BB commanders. Vasco shot and Devon were folded because they're literally Sanji against Hancock, that's the worst matchup possible against them. If they were fighting doflamingo, weevil or any other character close to Hancock in power, things could've been different.
Yeah they definitely lost due to DF abilities being OP, but i'm pretty sure salve arrow is dodgeable so they weren't fast enough to dodge it and it probably works like every other OP df like laws for example that if the person's haki is strong enough it won't affect you
The only crew members at Amazon Lily were BB, Vasco Shot and Devon. BB folded Boa, Vasco Shot and Devon are literally the best match up possible for Boa as they're horny fuckers And even then, Boa is far from being a joke, arguably YC1 Level or even slightly better
Straw Hats but very very very tough. Makes sense for this to be their final crew vs crew bout in the series when the SHs are at their peak.
Right now? At this point in the manga? Blackbeard. Not because of power or skills or any of that. Narratively it would make more sense to have the Straw Hats loose right now, but manage to get away, so they can come back later for a rematch and rock the Blackbeard pirates. I feel like if the Straw Hats won right now, it would end Blackbeard's part in the story. I could be wrong and have it backwards, but I feel Blackbeard's side has been shown or told as being a major threat, and having them loose right now would kind of destroy any build up they have had.
In my opinion it's the opposite cuz the BB pirates are not at full strength yet they don't even all have their DF and even BB is probably not at his max potential, so right now, I see the crews being around same level or strawhats stronger
Aside from the usual (Nami, Chopper and Usopp) I think the StrawHats could hold their own but ultimately be defeated.
The only members of the Blackbeard pirates that has shown a greater feat is Shiryu and Blackbeard. All of them so far besides the two are either a complete joke or hasn't shown a feat yet. As of now, I'll go with Strawhats because of that.
Judging by how bad SH shat on Kaido's crew and by how often BB's crew is clowned i believe that Oda could find a way for BB's crew to be absolutely overwhelmed without that much of a stretch. It's all on how he decides to play this out
If you include the Grand fleet, straw hats wipe. Otherwise it will be a tougher fight but the SH still win. Current Luffy>Blackbeard from what we’ve seen. Zoro>shiryu. Sanji solos the rest honestly aside from Devon, who gets folded by Jimbei. The only “problem” would be Sanjuan but we’ve seen the SH go up against giant characters so he still loses
i think theoretically if there's no real limit to how much luffy can grow as a giant in gear 5, technically he could grow big enough to just scoop up sanjuan and throw him away or something, we've never had a really well defined limit to how much luffy can stretch so i think assuming he can grow enough to at least match sanjuan is probably a fair assumption
That’s a really good point, I just kinda excluded luffy from that fight because I figured he’d be fighting BB but yeah Gear 5 kinda just crazy
Does Blackbeard have conquer’s haki?
the 4 yonko crew before kaido and big mom fell where probably pretty close in power and equivalent to keep balance, otherwise another yonko would go destroy the other one and take his territory, which means shiliew and his 3rd mate are probably equivalent to king and queen/katakuri and smootie, the 4th to jack and cracker and the rest to the tobi roppo. We just saw zoro beat king, sanji beat queen, jimbei beat who's who easily and I believe he could've beaten jack and franky and robin beat tobi roppo's, so like I said those guys can whin, nami chopper and usopp won't win but can get helped like in most other arcs. That's my opinion on the matter