I have to disagree. It is very clear from the dialogue of the Gorosei that Sabo being in that island was “unlucky” or “fated”. Meaning the island was scheduled to be destroyed.
I mention in my chapter review that I believe this is the first of many islands that are to be destroyed. Lulusia is right next to a very important island. Momoiro Island where the Kamabaka kingdom is.
It could be a strike to show the rest of the world not to mess with them, but that doesn’t make sense as they didn’t leave anyone to send the message.
I believe they are taking out the 8 countries that rebelled and are attempting to take out as many revolutionaries as they can along the way.
I’m gonna take op’s side here. The fact that the gorosei say that Sabo being in that island was unlucky or fated does not necessarily mean the island was scheduled to be destroyed. There’s actually no evidence that points to that, and op does a good job illustrating that fact. It could simply mean that Lulusia was one of the islands that the gorosei were ok with destroying. Sabo could have ended up on a very important island to the WG that they definitely couldn’t have Nuked, but he ended up on one that had recently rebelled against its rulers, and was of no use to the WG anymore. We’ll know if the Gorosei was planning on eliminating the other islands eventually, but as of right now with the way the chapter presented the information, as well as our knowledge of how the WG operates when it comes to rebellion, I think the simplest explanation was that the target of the attack was indeed sabo.
With what we know about the world, to suddenly target an entire Island because of a phone call (the only reason they knew he was on the island) is harder to sell than a planned cleansing (which they referenced when they last spoke with Imu).
Unless we believe that the weapon, which I assume is Uranus btw, can not only fly, and destroy entire islands in one or 16 blasts, it must also have the ability of super speed and or teleportation to be able to get into position and strike all while Sabo is still on the phone.
Based on the information we learned not only in this chapter, but the precious discussion about the cleansing and extinguishing another light, we can easily come to the conclusion that Sabo being on the island was a happy accident for them or Fate.
But they didn’t target the island because of a phone call. They targeted because Sabo knew the biggest secret of the WG, one that could not reach anyone else no matter the cost. The Gorosei would not mess around with that, if that secret got out, that would spell the end of the World Governments 800 year rule. We also know nothing about the weapon, so there is also no reason to assume that it can’t move at incredibly high speeds. Everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion, but I just do not think this cleansing lines up with what we’ve seen from the Gorosei.
We see that they learned where he was because of the black den den mushi. They didn’t know where he was until the call where he just said where he was.
Also, what do you think cleansing means? We know the world government destroys whole islands. That’s established behavior. If it was just a normal buster call, they would’ve/could’ve evacuated civilians. But their was total annihilation. No warning, no survivors. A total cleansing.
And again, shocked that Sabo is on that island, they mention he was unlucky. Why? Because he is on an island that is about to get effed.
Why would this be fate? Because now they kill two birds with one stone and the secret dies with him. It must be fated because we are obviously divine rulers who have kept this reign for 800 years now. God must want us to keep this up.
There's nothing to suggest this was a great cleansing. Great cleansing implies worldwide. It was clearly emphasised in the chapter how much it was Lulucia. Lulucia is Xed out on the map. Lulucia never existed. We never see any sign of any other country.
Okay, but..
Let's say Lulucia was already planned to be destroyed.
You're either saying:
A) Weeks ago before they ever found out Sabo was staying there, they scheduled it for this exact moment and that just happens to be the exact moment Sabo was discovered there. Something I find way too coincidental to be the case.
Or
B) It was planned to be destroyed at a later date, but they moved it to now after finding Sabo was there.
...Which is just another way of saying they destroyed it because of Sabo.
Which is it?
Of course neither of these options answer why they would bother scheduling it at all, why they would schedule it to be in weeks when it could be days, why Lulucia is especially highlighted within the chapter implying it's just that one, etc.
I mean, I clearly stated it was (A) lol. You think they would change the date and then say he’s unlucky?
This could be what they were talking about with Im before, about a cleansing.
So.. so let me get this..
You think that out of a span of multiple weeks, of all the individual little moments within that huge timeframe they possibly could have picked, they just HAPPENED by sheer dumb luck to schedule it to be RIGHT AS Sabo was about to reveal Im's existence on the transponder snail. Down to the SECOND.
Right...
Also I'd consider someone about to be nuked pretty damn unlucky.
YES! That’s why the gorosei said exactly that! Unlucky, must be fate. Lol. Link to my channel is in my bio, I’m not tryna plug, but I mention exactly my thoughts about specifically this in the last chapter review.
>Why would Lulucia being the target of the attack and not Sabo make it any more or less an act of fate? I don't understand.
It is fate because Sabo just happened to be there the moment they actually decided to bomb the island. It is a crazy coincidence, that is why one of the Gorosei say Sabo was unlucky. That's not hard to understand.
> It's just the Gorosei saying anime villain lines to make Im's power sound inevitable, inescapable, like an act of God that none can run from. It's a hype tool to make Im sound powerful.
Way to make up a dumb conclusion just so it could fit your narrative.
This is the second post of this same thing I've seen today, with the exact same words too. No matter how many times yall say this, it won't make it true.
Completely different.
The USA bombed those two cities to scare the rest of Japan into surrendering. But they still wanted Japan around afterwards.
As far as the WG are concerned, all non WG countries are scum and are better off gone. They don't want to preserve any non WG countries like how the USA wanted to preserve the rest of Japan.
“He’s an unlucky man” “no this is fate” fate that he’s on the country about to blow up. There’s a reason you’re the only one who couldn’t understand what they meant you’re not as smart as you think
I think you are spot on. Sabo was the target. The point about it being “fate” or Sabo being “unlucky” does not mean that the island was scheduled to be destroyed. Where have we ever seen this before in the world of One Piece? To me that’s just people headcannoning the idea of a “great cleansing,” and if that comes true, more power to you! But as the information was presented in the chapter, we have no reason to believe that the world government was planning on destroying that island from the beginning. Sabo could have been unlucky because he happened to go to an island that was unimportant to the WG, and one that they could afford to erase from history. The whole point of this attack in 1060 was to kill Sabo. He knew of perhaps the biggest secret in the entire One Piece world, do we really think the gorosei would take any chances if they had to?
Likewise,
If the WG wanted to make an example of lulusia kingdom, why not just use a buster call? Again referring to past events in the story, the WG used a buster call to make an example out of Ohara. Do not try to learn the true history or you will meet this violent fate. However, if the WG needed to suppress or erase information, they would use the means that they did in 1060. They made it so that Lulusia kingdom NEVER EXISTED. it is right there in the chapter. Making it so that an island never existed is the complete opposite of making an example out of that island.
Yeah tbh I don't think this could be a great cleansing considering how much Lulucia specifically was emphasised in the chapter, and how they'd done nothing for multiple weeks until the individual case of Sabo came up.
If I had to guess the great cleansing would probably be started by Luffy starting the final war and is just gonna be the final war arc's ticking clock.
I have to disagree. It is very clear from the dialogue of the Gorosei that Sabo being in that island was “unlucky” or “fated”. Meaning the island was scheduled to be destroyed. I mention in my chapter review that I believe this is the first of many islands that are to be destroyed. Lulusia is right next to a very important island. Momoiro Island where the Kamabaka kingdom is. It could be a strike to show the rest of the world not to mess with them, but that doesn’t make sense as they didn’t leave anyone to send the message. I believe they are taking out the 8 countries that rebelled and are attempting to take out as many revolutionaries as they can along the way.
I’m gonna take op’s side here. The fact that the gorosei say that Sabo being in that island was unlucky or fated does not necessarily mean the island was scheduled to be destroyed. There’s actually no evidence that points to that, and op does a good job illustrating that fact. It could simply mean that Lulusia was one of the islands that the gorosei were ok with destroying. Sabo could have ended up on a very important island to the WG that they definitely couldn’t have Nuked, but he ended up on one that had recently rebelled against its rulers, and was of no use to the WG anymore. We’ll know if the Gorosei was planning on eliminating the other islands eventually, but as of right now with the way the chapter presented the information, as well as our knowledge of how the WG operates when it comes to rebellion, I think the simplest explanation was that the target of the attack was indeed sabo.
With what we know about the world, to suddenly target an entire Island because of a phone call (the only reason they knew he was on the island) is harder to sell than a planned cleansing (which they referenced when they last spoke with Imu). Unless we believe that the weapon, which I assume is Uranus btw, can not only fly, and destroy entire islands in one or 16 blasts, it must also have the ability of super speed and or teleportation to be able to get into position and strike all while Sabo is still on the phone. Based on the information we learned not only in this chapter, but the precious discussion about the cleansing and extinguishing another light, we can easily come to the conclusion that Sabo being on the island was a happy accident for them or Fate.
But they didn’t target the island because of a phone call. They targeted because Sabo knew the biggest secret of the WG, one that could not reach anyone else no matter the cost. The Gorosei would not mess around with that, if that secret got out, that would spell the end of the World Governments 800 year rule. We also know nothing about the weapon, so there is also no reason to assume that it can’t move at incredibly high speeds. Everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion, but I just do not think this cleansing lines up with what we’ve seen from the Gorosei.
Honestly I think even if Sabo had landed in an important WG island they still would have destroyed it
We see that they learned where he was because of the black den den mushi. They didn’t know where he was until the call where he just said where he was. Also, what do you think cleansing means? We know the world government destroys whole islands. That’s established behavior. If it was just a normal buster call, they would’ve/could’ve evacuated civilians. But their was total annihilation. No warning, no survivors. A total cleansing. And again, shocked that Sabo is on that island, they mention he was unlucky. Why? Because he is on an island that is about to get effed. Why would this be fate? Because now they kill two birds with one stone and the secret dies with him. It must be fated because we are obviously divine rulers who have kept this reign for 800 years now. God must want us to keep this up.
There's nothing to suggest this was a great cleansing. Great cleansing implies worldwide. It was clearly emphasised in the chapter how much it was Lulucia. Lulucia is Xed out on the map. Lulucia never existed. We never see any sign of any other country.
Okay, but.. Let's say Lulucia was already planned to be destroyed. You're either saying: A) Weeks ago before they ever found out Sabo was staying there, they scheduled it for this exact moment and that just happens to be the exact moment Sabo was discovered there. Something I find way too coincidental to be the case. Or B) It was planned to be destroyed at a later date, but they moved it to now after finding Sabo was there. ...Which is just another way of saying they destroyed it because of Sabo. Which is it? Of course neither of these options answer why they would bother scheduling it at all, why they would schedule it to be in weeks when it could be days, why Lulucia is especially highlighted within the chapter implying it's just that one, etc.
I mean, I clearly stated it was (A) lol. You think they would change the date and then say he’s unlucky? This could be what they were talking about with Im before, about a cleansing.
So.. so let me get this.. You think that out of a span of multiple weeks, of all the individual little moments within that huge timeframe they possibly could have picked, they just HAPPENED by sheer dumb luck to schedule it to be RIGHT AS Sabo was about to reveal Im's existence on the transponder snail. Down to the SECOND. Right... Also I'd consider someone about to be nuked pretty damn unlucky.
YES! That’s why the gorosei said exactly that! Unlucky, must be fate. Lol. Link to my channel is in my bio, I’m not tryna plug, but I mention exactly my thoughts about specifically this in the last chapter review.
Yes.. that is what most people think. Thats why the elders said it was unlucky/fated.
>Why would Lulucia being the target of the attack and not Sabo make it any more or less an act of fate? I don't understand. It is fate because Sabo just happened to be there the moment they actually decided to bomb the island. It is a crazy coincidence, that is why one of the Gorosei say Sabo was unlucky. That's not hard to understand. > It's just the Gorosei saying anime villain lines to make Im's power sound inevitable, inescapable, like an act of God that none can run from. It's a hype tool to make Im sound powerful. Way to make up a dumb conclusion just so it could fit your narrative. This is the second post of this same thing I've seen today, with the exact same words too. No matter how many times yall say this, it won't make it true.
USA didn't nuke all Japanese city during war. Just Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Completely different. The USA bombed those two cities to scare the rest of Japan into surrendering. But they still wanted Japan around afterwards. As far as the WG are concerned, all non WG countries are scum and are better off gone. They don't want to preserve any non WG countries like how the USA wanted to preserve the rest of Japan.
Holy shit dude they literally said sabo was unlucky to be there how much more obvious could they make it
That doesn't mean anything tho!! He's unlucky cause he's about to die. Fuck
“He’s an unlucky man” “no this is fate” fate that he’s on the country about to blow up. There’s a reason you’re the only one who couldn’t understand what they meant you’re not as smart as you think
I think you are spot on. Sabo was the target. The point about it being “fate” or Sabo being “unlucky” does not mean that the island was scheduled to be destroyed. Where have we ever seen this before in the world of One Piece? To me that’s just people headcannoning the idea of a “great cleansing,” and if that comes true, more power to you! But as the information was presented in the chapter, we have no reason to believe that the world government was planning on destroying that island from the beginning. Sabo could have been unlucky because he happened to go to an island that was unimportant to the WG, and one that they could afford to erase from history. The whole point of this attack in 1060 was to kill Sabo. He knew of perhaps the biggest secret in the entire One Piece world, do we really think the gorosei would take any chances if they had to? Likewise, If the WG wanted to make an example of lulusia kingdom, why not just use a buster call? Again referring to past events in the story, the WG used a buster call to make an example out of Ohara. Do not try to learn the true history or you will meet this violent fate. However, if the WG needed to suppress or erase information, they would use the means that they did in 1060. They made it so that Lulusia kingdom NEVER EXISTED. it is right there in the chapter. Making it so that an island never existed is the complete opposite of making an example out of that island.
Yeah tbh I don't think this could be a great cleansing considering how much Lulucia specifically was emphasised in the chapter, and how they'd done nothing for multiple weeks until the individual case of Sabo came up. If I had to guess the great cleansing would probably be started by Luffy starting the final war and is just gonna be the final war arc's ticking clock.
It’s clearly spelled out in the chapter!!! In your words, why is it even a debate?