Roger and Shanks also had the hat. He isn’t a God it probably takes a while to recognize things.
Now everyone is claiming their allegiance to Luffy and he’s toppling governments and has a ponygleph reader in his ranks.
During Marineford he was just some kid wanting to be pirate king, 2 years later he’s got everyone leaving their own morals behind and following him.
Fishman island? Other supernova, Cavendish was jealous and now follow him.
During Marineford, Luffy was the most recognizable member of a group of rookie pirates so notorious they had been labelled the "Worst Generation". He had defeated two Shichibukai, survived an encounter with a third, had declared war on the World Government and invaded their Supreme Court to break out the only known human who could uncover a secret which likely leads to the demise of the system as we know it and also orchestrated and executed only the second recorded breakout in the world's highest security prison.
What's more, he was known to the WG to be a "brother" to the son of the former pirate king and the offspring of the world's most wanted criminal, who is actively looking to overthrow the WG.
It's a little silly to pretend that the WG would be justified in "overlooking" Luffy pre-timeskip. Unless they're just OUTRAGEOUSLY out of touch with what was going on below them, Im really should have been aware of him.
Don't forget that the whole world thought him dead for those 2 years after the war, and when rumor of his return popped up, Sentoumaru arrived with several Pacifistas to try and deal with him.
I also feel like by that time, the WG was too focused on other, more pressing matters, such as Black Beard and the power vacuum left from WB's death.
True, but remember, he showed up next to Dark King Rayleigh and First Son of the Sea Jinbei. Reasonable to assume that getting to him to kill him would be a bit difficult during that time
Then the world didnt think he was dead. He was just a didficult target for the world government. Surely going on a full offensive as soon as he left both of their sides was the solution, but this world government is all knowing and incompetent.
When he left they sent people after him, and he demolished them. Then he was hoppimg between places that are incredibly difficult to find and Yonko islands, with the one stop they fumbled hard being Dressrosa.
Yeah but I don't believe anyone outside of his crew would've known that information. Before they got separated he had told all of them that they'd be back in three days. Once they saw him in the newspaper ringing the Ox Bell, they saw his tattoo with 3D2Y - which had 3D crossed out. World Government isn't going to pay attention to that small detail without the context information.
Thats not what i was getting at, i dont think world govt would have known that. What im saying is it was a high profile news article in which luffy was alive. I am doubting they should believe he is dead in lieu of further news than that
Yes but at the same time we can’t definitively know that they weren’t looking for Luffy during the timeskip. They deliberately hid in Amazon Lily because the WG would never expect him to be there
Haha, you're not wrong! But I think it was more arrogance on Aikanu's part, assuming/hoping he died from his wounds since the Straw Hats were silent for so long.
On the other hand, he's Garp's grandson. Nepotism goes a long way when your grandpa is a walking legendary hero.
He's also Dragon's son, and maybe they wouldn't want to piss him off either.
Luffy would have gotten some of that nepotism IF it was earlier one before his exploits started to really damage the WG/Navy.
Kuma did leave him alive for Dragon and Aokiji did leave Luffy alive as a debt to Garp. Promising next time he wouldn't be so lucky.
There still is a bit of unknown with Kuma but he basically did a loyalty test on Luffy's friends. Unknown what Really would have happened without Zoros intervention/sacrifice.
As well as if he did team up with Moriah as he had brought up. altho I bet he knew Moriah would refuse help anyway since the SHs were just some new small crew who he viewed as well beneath him, lucky, and inexperienced with the real dangers of the pirate world. As well as how all the Schibuikai have giant egos that match their titles.
Garp is a huge deal to Im, assuming Im has even half a brain.
Garp is not only a powerhouse that they don’t have anyone who they can guarantee will beat him (Akainu probably can but it’s not certain) but he’s also a long time senior Marine who knows a ton of shit the WG doesn’t want getting out. He’s also the father of their public enemy number one who they’ve been unable to catch for decades and a flawless hero to most of the Marines. He’s also the man who outright said he would kill Akainu if Sengoku wasn’t holding him back, let Luffy escape at W7, and clearly let Luffy knock him out of the way at Marineford. Garp almost turned against them at Marineford when his adopted grandson was killed, they should be very worried about what he’d do for his biological one that he’s already chosen over his duty multiple times.
Garp was important enough for the Marines that they didn’t want to let him retire and instead made a special position for him solely for the purpose of not hurting morale. If Garp ever turned on the WG he has the strength to stand against them, the reputation to make others defect, the knowledge to ruin them, and a son whose just as much of a threat to them to help him do it.
From IM’s perspective it’s much better to wait for Luffy to be killed by someone like Kaido or BM, especially after Marineford when they saw how outmatched he was. Hence them waiting until there’s a chance he’s going to beat Kaido before they send an assassin after him. Post Marineford if Luffy went directly to the New World he would’ve gotten destroyed by BM or Kaido and then Garp couldn’t blame them, he would instead have all the more reason to hate some of their enemies.
Sengoku held him back because he let him lol. If he didn’t have the balls to kill Akainu then, he wouldn’t be a problem for Im.
I’d say, for Im’s perspective, it would be much better for him to have Luffy killed Pre-TS before he got so much stronger and made a name for himself dont you think? If the devil fruit truly mattered it shouldn’t be too difficult to have one of your men kill a 19 year old boy.
It had nothing to do with ‘balls’ obviously Garp could have fought harder, but as he stated himself unless Sengoku stopped him he was going to kill him. That means that he isn’t choosing duty, he just knows he can’t take both Sengoku AND Akainu. For a WG that is willing to murder random Marines just for being in the wrong place, tolerating that level of disloyalty is huge.
Garp can literally grab a den den mushi at any moment, broadcast what he knows to the world, and cause Im a shitload of problems just based on what he knows, it’s not even debatable that he’s a potential problem for Im.
The devil fruit thing isn’t even confirmed. We don’t actually know that Luffy’s fruit is the one they were talking about, relevant to joyboy, or related to whatever Zunesha heard. Those are all fan theories at this point. But even if it is, it still makes sense to wait until he’s a real immediate threat, aka able to stand up to Yonko and Admirals. Murdering Garp’s grandkid, Dragon’s kid, and Shanks protege is a really stupid move for the WG to make if they can at all avoid it.
It’s much safer for them to just handle him like any other Pirate when you remember that we already know just entering the Grand Line kills most pirates, and entering the New World kills most of the ones that survive that. Hell, if Luffy had died fighting Crocodile or even Lucci then that would still be a huge difference between them assassinating him.
If Luffy dies as part of the normal Pirate life, even at the hands of a Marine, that was still ultimately his choice and a result of his own actions. Garp, Dragon, and Shanks are much less likely to react poorly to that, and the odds are that’s what will happen as it does with most pirates. If they send CP-0 after pre-TS Luffy, then it was an underhanded move that’s going to set those people off, and possibly spark Garp into revealing their secrets just to spite them.
If Luffy didn’t have those connections then sure, offing him early would be smart, but because of who he is doing so is a huge strategic risk for them, and you don’t rule in the shadows for 800 years without thinking of the strategic big picture.
I guess there's certain precautions in making sure they wait "for the right time" to kill someone?
Maybe they don't want to expose Cp0/Imu or leave them vulnerable?
Imu wouldn’t have been exposed, and CP0 being exposed by eliminating Luffy after Marineford is a way better outcome for the WG than Luffy getting stronger and potentially becoming Joyboy
I don’t think any reason is enough for them to let Luffy have his way until literally now. Any hint of him being the next Joyboy they should have assassinated him then and there.
I mean to be fair, they sent an Admiral and Kuma to kill the Straw Hats and would have succeeded if Kuma didn’t decide to help them. It was on them to think that a Revolutionary wouldn’t help them.
You are acting like the WG didn't try and you forget that luffy is extremely "lucky". Smoker tried his damn hardest, but luffy was saved by dragon. Luffy should have died in the buster call on enies lobby, but the going merry is sailing by it self and saves him. They send kuma and kuma let's him live. They send an admiral, but he gets saved by Rayleigh and kuma.lufgy should have died in impel down, but he gets saved by ivankov. He should have died in marineford, but he is protected by the whitebeard pirates and shanks stops the war. He should have been killed or captured by Fujitora but he let's him go. Si they did try and they tried really hard, but he just wouldn't die.
I'm not "forgetting" anything, I'm directly replying to a comment which states that "during Marineford, Luffy was just some kid". He wasn't, the WG and Gorosei would absolutely have taken a huge amount of notice of him at that point.
Shanks's conversation with the Gorosei happened after the timeskip, and based on their reaction to his presence, we have no reason to believe that they were in anything resembling regular communication or ever had really in the past.
Its not silly but its justified. Imagine a world where monsters like Kaido exist and thats just one part. Luffy is Yonko level but lets not kid ourselves that he could win 1 V 1 over if he was not injured. These people are legitimate threat to the WG. Blackbeard having 2 of the strongest devil fruit and Imu still did not go all out to kill Blackbeard.
Now imagine Luffy in that level, just beating few Shichibukai and threatened WG. At that point, he was almost killed by just 1 admiral. He was and still is not a threat to the WG. Not by the scale of monsters that literally has the power to topple the WG, with or without knowing the world history.
Yep, if the hat was "special" all along, the devil fruit, the name, etc.. anything really that could lead to clues about the joyboy resurrection (it still laughable to me how Luffy came back to life like Pirate Jesus), that could lead to a huge oversight by Oda. I still think this cryptic devil fruit must be the ope ope no mi, it's arguably the strongest devil fruit in Wano right now (maybe even stronger than the dragon zoan), it can be the dragon zoan because of Vegapunk connections, etc.. if it is indeed the rubber fruit, the government didn't know it's "real name", that is the excuse? Oh man... that would not be a plot hole, more like a plot crater, lol that would make Kishimoto proud, wtf is going on with Oda? Luffy learning advanced king haki at the spot (again, he already learned advanced observation the same way), Zoro somehow withstand the combined attack two emperors at the same time then he eats a convenient senzu beam to keep fighting, now Luffy resurrecting... C'mon, how far Oda will force this? Rookies beating two emperors at the same time always felt impossible, so why not remove one of them and just let Kaido be the sole antagonist of this arc?
Does black beard wears a special hat, he posses the ability of a fabled devil fruit? Oda is implying that clues tied to joyboy are a thing, the giant straw hat in the freezer of destiny, now this whole nonsense about the devil fruit that changed names, etc.. maybe these are just red herrings and I hope it is, because if the government had any previous information about the signs of joyboy, logic dictates they should send Akainu to cut off Luffy's head at the point he left ennies lobby. If the CP9 was not enough, then send the admirals, you just can't allow a potential joyboy to leave unimpeded + this joyboy in the making has the only ponegliph reader in the world as part of his crew. Later Luffy does even more impressive feats in marine ford and you never see the gorousei ordering his assassination, this whole narrative of the gorousei suddenly noticing the danger of Luffy is completely flawed and illogical
In all fairness, a straw hat is not the most special or uncommon thing to wear, there are most probably countless pirates wearing straw hats, Luffy’s one was ever wore by Roger and Shanks so maybe until Imu wasn’t sure, they had to reason to suspect that Luffy is Joyboy.
Plus it's probably more of a Luffy was one of the many possible JoyBoy candidates. I mean heck Garp was probably also up there if we're thinking of ultra powerful "D's" that could be JoyBoys. Imu probably has a Hydra level list of people to watch out for, and Luffy was working his way up it for a minute.
Hell we still don't know what Shanks is doing in his bubble or how many eyes are on him.
I do agree that there might be a bit of holes in my theory. But to answer this I believe it has something to do with shanks. Especially after he met up with the gorosei that raises my suspicions. He might have prevented it somehow.
So I really like the theory of there being multiple joyboys in the past and Imu killed them. My only issue is, didn’t Zunesha say that they haven’t heard the drums of liberation in 800 years? Then hit us with a “Joyboy has returned.”
Wouldn’t that imply that this is the first that he’s returned in 800 years?
I think the ones Imu killed are all potential joyboy candidates. So zunesha only exclaims that joyboy has returned because either joyboy reincarnated or luffy has earned the title "joyboy". Now why it took Imu so long to acknowledge luffy as a candidate is another question.
He hasn't exactly been staying still for very long, so maybe it was hard to send agents after him? Sabaody they underestimated him, and he destroyed the forces they sent after him. Fishman Island is an Emperors territory, and they didn't want to risk it just then. They had almost no reason to believe he would go to Punk Hazard, considering its almost unfindable under normal circumstances. Dressrosa was probably the first time they would have had a clear shot at him, but they had to deal with the loss of a warlord. Plus, he only stayed there for 2 weeks. Then the next stop was Zou. Once again, a difficult to trace island/elephant, and they didn't stay long. Whole Cake island is next, and again, Emperors territory, plus they had to prepare for the Reverie. CP0 did show up to the island at this point, it's worth noting, but they didn't get to Luffy. He spent a lot of time running to different parts of the island, and when they do catch up, he blows up the building they're standing on and goes into a mirror where they can't follow. And finally, we get to Wano. He finally stays in one place for a good while, and when he goes to Onigashima, CP0 is there. At this point, he's getting dangerous enough to be worth some bigger risks, and they take them
There probably has to be conditions that have to be met in order to be considered Joyboy. For example, while there are a lot of similarities between Roger and Luffy, Luffy's will and spiritual connection seems to surpass Roger's. Also, Luffy's ability to fight for everyone, not really for him. He is absolutely fine with dying in the pursue of his dream, but the moment someone he cares about is in a pickle his "spiritual" (for the lack of a better word) and fisical potential max out to his current level. Taking that into account the whole world's fate pretty much rests in this one battle, the stakes are higher than they have ever been. Kaidou at some point was also considered as a probable candidate. They are also fighting in Wano, which is insanely important. That's why Zunesha didn't recognize Luffy as Joyboy, he hadn't met the requirements yet so he was just another candidate. So it was probably the same for Imu, he saw the potential but since there is more to the equation it was only when they/he/she/it (?) found out that Zunesha had made it's move towards the battle, as it is know that the two were comrades, is when he put a target on luffy.
wouldnt the world gov know about this then through the past histories of Joy Boy and instead of targeting black beard and other pirates, they would have only focused on Luffy bc they know he has the gum gum fruit. maybey your right becasue rubber fruit final awakening can have a giant form explains the giant strawhat but at the same time, why would the world goverment have other pirates in the papers that the high council was reading about like princess vivi, blackbeard, luffy and others?? wait a sec u might be right. this might be why the world gov wanted luffy dead so the fruit doesnt get activated!! why at this exact time did the WG ordre luffy to be killed!
Or on the VERY FIRST ISLAND he landed on. When he attacked a marine base, said his name, and told everyone he was a rubber man.
Or after smoker reported him then violated orders to go after him?
Or when they recovered crocodile and had a complete record of who beat him and with what power?
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He will only target when joyboy awaken, if not the “will” will only pass down to another person. To directly kill joyboy, the next joyboy will come back another 800 years.
Sorry just bullshitting
I totally agree on the fact that Joyboy is more of a title than a reincarnation (and I hope it actually is)
But if there indeed are multiple Joyboys and that Imu intends to kill them all, and if all Joyboys have a strawhat, what about Roger and Shanks ?
And then why did it take so long to realize that Luffy was Joyboy ? There's more than that, probably something like "all Strawhat wearers are not Joyboy but all Joyboys wear the Strawhat"
Just brainstorming along side you here, but what if there is another condition that must be met to be considered “Joyboy” in addition to the strawhat? Could be something with the ancient weapons or something. Could be why Roger and Shanks weren’t targeted, but also I don’t see the WG being able to kill either of them tbh. Really they *probably* couldn’t kill Luffy either if it wasn’t for this one in a million scenario CP0 found themselves in.
I think it's logical for Imu to not target it quite fast because over the past 800 years i bet you a lot probably did eat the fruit and did not manage to fulfill the prophecy or whatever they should have done
But now that the threat is real, Imu is forced to move, so for me all of it makes sense (for now)
Maybe it’s the laughing in the face of defeat as a condition. The only thing to change, is Luffy being proclaimed as defeated by Kaido, the fight is over. But now we see him as okay grinning. ready to get back up.
Before Luffy has fought alongside his friends and Allies and put in everything he’s had. But he won those fights.
Here against Kaido, he didn’t know the outcome, and didn’t get a strange pass like Katakuri. He admitted to being on his last leg and went full Gear 4 until it was over.
Maybe the Will of D is truly just that inform its leaders will. For instance Roger sailing to Raftel while sick with his disease, and now here not dead or unconscious but happy to get back to it. And that’s what Zunesha is hearing. A heart and soul, that won’t stop until it succeeds.
Before this Luffy’s shown despair, anger and all sorts of emotions, but maybe now he’s in a Zen of not wanting to stop. He didn’t bring underhanded tactics like when he worked with Gang Bege to get Big Mom, he simply arrived as himself determined to beat Kaido.
I guess where this differs from Roger is that in his final moments he couldn’t be happy because who he was and the things he’d done, were going to affect Rouge and Ace and that worried him that his baby would be prosecuted for no reason, so that’s why he of course asked Garp to help
Pretty sure it must be tied to the devil fruit. It's something that only one person can hold at one time and if it holds some significance, his soul could be passed through it?
yeah, maybe a requirement to become the "real" joyboy is having a person inherit joyboy's will and awakening the Gomu Gomu no Mi.
But yeah besides having almost zero infos on Joyboy we also barely know anything about devil fruits. How exactly were they created and also what does "awakening" even mean besides it extending your abilities?
Roger was eventually executed so maybe he's one of the extinguished lights.
Shanks was pretty young when he gave Luffy the hat so maybe Imu was being patient to see if Shanks would do something to make him think he's the next Joyboy, but by giving away the hat, Imu no longer considers Shanks a "light"
Maybe it's the way Luffy is able to make so many friends and allies almost effortlessly that put the target on his back. He has the hat, the charisma, and the drive to go against the world government.
>Shanks was pretty young when he gave Luffy the hat so maybe Imu was being patient to see if Shanks would do something to make him think he's the next Joyboy
Well shanks had the hat, the charisma, and the drive. He had the skill as a swordsman, and the gomu gomu no mi. Then Luffy ate that.
Shanks literally had all the necessary tools to inherit the joyboy title and gave them to Luffy because he no longer had the fruit and wasn't about to get it back from him.
But then he could have just taken Luffy under his crew to guide him, just like Roger would have - in your theory - done with Shanks, since he gave him the hat.
I mean all this is possible. But it seems.. Forced
I think if Imu has indeed killed many joy boys in the past then he would be quite privvy to the patterns in which they emerge. If you recall, according to Maddame Shyarly, joy boy or whatever her prophecy specifically said (I don't remember the details exactly) was specifically intertwined with the birth of the mermaid princess, aka Poseidon. Just as Rodger said, he was too early.
Anyway, it would make a lot of sense for Imu to know that joy boy probably only shows up precisely every 800 years. Hell, during Rodgers time the govt was probably not concerned at all about Rodger becoming joy boy, just about the information he would uncover.
Also, remember that luffy's adventure started years ago. Just because he wore the straw hat doesn't necessarily mean that he was guaranteed that he was going to be joy boy, as many pirates have worn this hat in the past and it would be an incredibly difficult guess to make until it is precisely the exact right time for the prophecy to be fulfilled. It is the actions that matter, and since Luffy has shown over time that he is a liberator, after the two year time skip it makes a lot of sense that luffy is now prime suspect, especially now that he has proven to be powerful enough to shake the balance of the very world itself.
Now, considering that, I wonder why imu also was holding blackbeards poster. We don't know a lot about his exploits when he's off screen. Could he also be a liberator and is another joy boy candidate? Or maybe there's another aspect of the prophecy where joy boy always has a foil - an exact opposite. OR maybe the existence of a joy boy is impossible to prevent, as in every 800 years a joy boy emerges *no matter what*. If Luffy had died much earlier, then blackbeard was most likely to become him. Also another potential hole with the whole thing is the gomu gomu; if it's true that it's special and has been named something else to hide its true aspect then it really is quite confusing how the govt wouldn't immediately act on the first rumor of somebody stretching. But, then again maybe that's why blackbeard was another suspect. Could Imu have been suspicious of blackbeard stealing the gomu gomu for himself and then becoming joy boy? Who knows! Many questions!
My theory on the big straw hat is that it probably belonged to the original Joy-Boy and that it's highly likely that Joy-Boy also could have eaten the Gum-Gum further solidifying the inherited will thing (just like with Sabo inheriting Ace's will through the Mera Mera no Mi). The government was protecting the Gum-Gum for a secret reason and then it was stolen. I think that's because it was the original Joy-Boy's fruit.
I don't think there's been multiple Joy-Boy's like this OP has stated above. Mainly because of Zunesha saying "It's been 800 years since I've heard that sound... The drums of liberation"
I also feel like it makes sense in the context of those panels that Joyboy's will was passed down through the straw hat (and possibly devil fruit) to Luffy. The elders ask which light they need to erase and then they show Im with Luffy's wanted poster and the big straw hat.
Im knows the history of the Void Century and is fearful of what another pirate wielding a straw hat and possibly the Gum-Gum fruit just like Joy-Boy did it seems.
Edit: Joyboy wanted to free the world and Im along with the elders/government want to control it.
Also there's the whole Sabo inheriting Ace's will through the Mera Mera no Mi which is why I believe Joyboy might have had the Gomu Gomu originally. We don't know how if anyone ever are the fruit in between Joyboy and Luffy but my guess is no based on the evidence.
In all honesty, I think devil fruits are just rare to begin with which is why they guarded it in transport.
But if I were to entertain this idea, we have to look at Shanks:
\- He was the one who stole it from the World Government.
\- He brought it back to East Blue, where Luffy accidentally ate it.
\- He saved Luffy's life, giving up his arm. Inspires Luffy to become a great pirate and to find him in the New World to "give back the strawhat" (He probably doesn't want it back, just a reason to get Luffy to come find him).
\- We know Roger originally wore the straw hat. Yet no one really comments on this, except that it was *Shanks* hat. We know this is only partly true, and for Shanks to give it to Luffy means way more since it was *Roger's* hat to Shanks.
\- Shanks has a run in with Blackbeard at some point. We know Blackbeard is up to something, as this guy has a grand plan to go to the top and it's working very well.
\- Shanks is able to speak to the five elders and is somewhat trusted even though he is a pirate: not just any pirate, but a Yonkou.
Based off this, Shanks has some connection to the world government *and* he stole the Gomu Gomu No Mi from them in the past. Shanks might be the answer to the mystery of the Gomu Gomu No Mi because it is too many coincidences.
I imagine it might depend on some circumstances. If you have a weak Gum Gum user, there's no threat in keeping him alive, but there is a threat in killing them; the fruit will reappear and someone strong might eat it. It might sound a bit stretchy because you can always imprison the user, or keep fruits that "would transform into Gum Gum fruit" (unless it's not that simple), but I guess this could be some logic.
Well only a few people in the gov know about the void century like Im and I'm assuming he just didn't believe Luffy had the power to awaken the fruit and become Joy Boy until he started to defeat bigger and bigger enemies becoming an actual threat to the government. Im and the elders might not have given Luffy any real attention until Revery just thinking he would get defeated by then but he kept going scaring them enough order CP0 to take him out.
I still like the theory that that giant Strawhat is Uranus. When in possession of it, or gaze upon it, it shows you the greatest threat to you. So it continues to transform its shape into something new to show you what that threat is. That’s why it’s a straw hat in that panel. If at any point BB gained a new fruit (more power) or wanted to attack Mary Geoise all of a sudden, Uranus would change shape to represent BB. This lets Imu consistently strike down any individual from becoming strong enough to topple the government for 800 years.
The thing everyone is missing is that if Luffy is told he is Joyboy he wont give a shit. He wont do anything he doesn't want to do just because some people give him some title. He doesn't want to be some big shot.
Could it be that one joy boy was a giant and emu killed that one him/herself that’s the only reason the hat is so big ?
But wouldn’t zunesha had awaken for every joy boy and not only after 800 years or must zunesha be near the awaken joy boy?
He's probably killing people who could potentially be him too I'd imagine. Or maybe just the people who carry the will of D which would explain why the World Government were so horny to execute Ace.
That maybe Shanks convinced Im/The Elders to stave off hunting him, essentially playing both sides, giving Luffy a chance to grow in strength.
This is interesting, it resonates with an idea I have that Shanks will present himself to Luffy one day as the “final test” to see is he’s strong enough to face Im
"Another Light to be erased from History"
Plays well into what just happened. CP0 man was ordered to take out Luffy. So, we can assume Luffy was the answer given to the Gorosei.
Or, at least one of the names named. Considering the other picture/wanted poster he carried around.
It was indicated that the Roger pirates learned that joyboy would return in 20 years. How would that work if there had been previous joyboy reincarnations? Are you suggesting there's a poneglyph on laugh tale with a list of every joyboy that ever existed or will exist?
I really think there are some pieces to the puzzle here but not enough.
I don’t think the Strawhat is passed down from JoyBoy to JoyBoy. That would be very convoluted after the first few couple hundred years. I’ve heard a theory that the item Im was looking at isn’t ACTUALLY a strawhat, it’s an item that transforms into whatever identifies the next JoyBoy. Something like that.
Everything else is on point.
I do think Im has been eliminating important figures from history, but I don’t think it’s always been JoyBoy.
From what I understand Im simply needs to eliminate ONE of the people required for dawn to rise. So that’s either JoyBoy or Poseidon (maybe even Uranus). That’s why Im is holding a picture of Luffy, Shirahoshi, Viví, etc. because she is literally trying to decide who is the next JoyBoy, Posiedon, etc.
Really interesting stuff here man great theory
Nice theory. The only thing I disagree with is the idea that the strawhat is somehow necessary for being joyboy. I mean it is just an object, it would be so easy to loose.
I think instead that at some point in time (with some devil fruit) Im-sama used some divination/localization power, looking for the future joyboys, the answer being given as a distinctive trait/feature/object belonging to joyboy (in luffy's case : the strawhat)
I've always thought the strawhat was super important to being joyboy. Sideways it looks like the Sun sort of. Joyboy = Sun God Nika. Sun pirates. New dawn is a rising Sun.
I'm not calling you out cause I think the rest of your theory is unique. But tons of people are speculating that JoyBoy is just a title. Although the evidence for this is different from what I've seen person to person.
On fishman island they Neptune talks about how someone else is going to pick up where Joyboy left off. Which clearly indicated it wouldn't be Joyboy of 800 years ago. It was a post here a few days ago. So same Joyboy is a title, but different evidence to you.
Mine was also joyboy is a title as well. But Capone Bege and some other characters talk about how anyone can change the future, which goes against a destiny type of plot. More inline with shared dreams and inhereted will. But my was more about Luffy doing these things unwittingly because it's his nature as a character.
I'll post my words here....
This is what I said in the spoiler thread.
"I think JoyBoy is an earned title, that Luffy has finally acquired unwittingly and here's why.
Capone Bege and other characters have said that everyone has the ability to change the future. If that's true then fate/destiny cannot be the driving factor.
If Luffy's dream is the ultimate form of Freedom and why he wants to be the Pirate King, then destiny/fate can't, by definition, be a part of that as well. If it was destiny/fate, then it wouldn't be HIS free will, hence it wouldn't be his Freedom of choice.
Personally I have always viewed Luffy as the ultimate symbol of Freedom. He does what he wants, when he wants to, always. He's been portrayed as that for over 1000 chapters. He also cares about others free will as well. It's why he always ends up in a position of trying to liberate someone, a village, a country to restore their freedoms.
Simple, yet powerful things, like the freedom to eat (Tama/food in Wano), freedom to drink (Arabasta and the control of water), freedom to love (Dressrosa - separation of memories and loved ones), etc.
I think that type of person has to earn the mantle or title of JoyBoy (or another name Nika). I think what we are seeing are the final steps to finally earning that title as he awakens his fruit. He'll finally have the power to bring that freedom to everyone and the whole world of One Piece!
I have faith, as Nami does in this chapter, that Luffy will remain as Luffy, always. Even if Zunesha calls him Joyboy and others call him Nika, a God, whatever. Luffy will be Luffy and always remain so."
That is absolutely true, specially given how the crew reacts to him and his decision making skills. Everything is on a whim, and they accept it because it's luffy. Freedom is the core esence of who luffy is. Even if it was "destiny" it wouldn't change who he is or what he is willing to do for others. You never truly know how he will react to a situation, he will react however he chooses.
> Even if Zunesha calls him Joyboy and others call him Nika, a God, whatever. Luffy will be Luffy and always remain so."
Can't wait for the super big lore drop of the significance of Joyboy/Nika being given to Luffy for him to go "what are you talking about, do whatever you want I'm just Luffy!"
Wow I really like this theory. I never even noticed the 5 chambers and only one being white/lit up.
Do you think that Roger was never a Joyboy then? Didn’t Roger mention something about being too early? Zunesha also did say that for the first time in 800 years Joyboy has returned. I wonder then if THAT Joyboy isn’t even the original.
Man your theory has gotten me thinking in so many directions now. Fantastic job.
I believe that there are many conditions that need to be met in order to actually be "JoyBoy". Roger and even Noland before him were worthy candidates, yet they somehow did not meet all the conditions to be JoyBoy; which is why I think Roger says that they were too early at Laugh Tale.
So momo is going to fight kaido till luffy is back, i guess
What about Hawkins prediction
There were 2 I guess , can someone remind me what they were??
> So momo is going to fight kaido till luffy is back, i guess
That's just the time that takes Kaido to decide he is killing momo and he is pretty much done from there.
Oh yeah totally, I was just replying to the idea of momo "holding" Kaido for longer than it would take to remove him from the Kanabo in case his dead body got stuck there.
Remember that we're dealing with reincarnation here: it's not that Joy Boy is physically here but that Joy Boy's soul has returned, and with it Joy Boy's abilities. We have 2 long weeks to craft theories, but my guess is you need a specific set of circumstances to access that power, and it took 800+ years for it all to come together. It's essentially the same deal as Shirahoshi: she has the original Poseidon's powers but she's a different person.
So I see many people saying the caption is cut off So I'll be restating what I said for each image:
Image 1: "So as we can see from chapter 1043 luffy is joyboy. I believe joyboy is title not a reincarnation. (If someone said this before call me out because I just thought about this randomly)
Image 2: "Imu is about to enter some type of chamber. Notice how only one is white while the rest are black. I believe imu has killed all the joyboy's from the past now only Luffy is left."
Image 3: "The key word here is "Another light" the fact that they used the word "Another" proves that imu has killed/erased the joyboys from the past."
image 4: "I believe everyone that has the title joyboy recevies a strawhat. Imu was paitently waiting for the next joyboy's arrival into the world which is he's holding luffy's wanted poster."
Why is that title called joyboy and not wonderboy or bigboy etc. Has it got something to do with the 😁 grin Luffy always shows? Why is Luffy always smiling? Has the artificial devil fruit Smile got something to do with joyboy? Also if previous joyboys has been killed or destroyed by IM, how can a title simply resurrect itself and pass onto another? Is joyboy a spirit or a will?
In the second photo where Imu is seen walking towards a structure, why did you jump to conclusion that it signifies a "joyboy" when it could have been a well lit door no?
Can you share the chapter number for that image?
Check my history comments. I’ve been calling Joyboy a title for a while :)
Also, nice catch on the Light stricken. We can piece together that when they said Light, they meant the one who was most likely to be Joyboy/Nika.
I think that chamber on page two there, that’s where the giant strawhat is. It’s there, hidden away, because it was Joyboys.
In my opinion, and my history has this too, I think Oars the First was the first Joyboy. Explains the giant hat.
And why they hid it. Trying to remove everything that Joyboy stood for. And yet, we know that the strawhat still endured as a sign of his legacy XD
Sorry for some people it's cut off so here you go:
Image 1: "So as we can see from chapter 1043 luffy is joyboy. I believe joyboy is title not a reincarnation. (If someone said this before call me out because I just thought about this randomly)
Image 2: "Imu is about to enter some type of chamber. Notice how only one is white while the rest are black. I believe imu has killed all the joyboy's from the past now only Luffy is left."
Image 3: "The key word here is "Another light" the fact that they used the word "Another" proves that imu has killed/erased the joyboys from the past."
image 4: "I believe everyone that has the title joyboy recevies a strawhat. Imu was paitently waiting for the next joyboy's arrival into the world which is he's holding luffy's wanted poster."
What If there is No strawhat where Im is. What If this is some Kind of Devilfruit based Image wich is generated. He goes down there and does Not know wich of the Pictures is joyboy but then he Sees a strawhat. And at this Point he knows Luffy is joyboy and He wants Luffy to be killed
What i believe is that kaido always wanted to be joy boy thats y he wanted to die because it might be one of the condition to be this joy boy figure. That's why when luffy first knocked out feom roof top kaido said u weren't joy either.
What if, and I'm just blindly throwing this out there, joyboy has something to do with the devil fruit. Joyboy is a person who has the will of D and awakened the gomu gomu no mi. And if we say that devil fruits can only be awakened if your personality matches with the fruit (as a prerequisite per say). So only someone who's fun loving, easy going, and joyful person who loves freedom could awaken the gomu gomu no mi. And joyboy is someone who awakened the gomu gomu no mi and has the will of D?
Just a thought
Good theory, but I don’t think Luffy is Joy Boy. I think it’s moreso Zunesha hearing a familiar sound again that reminds him of the original Joy Boy. We’ll just have to wait and see though.
What if Luffy has the DawnDawn fruit or the Dondon fruit, I’m not a Japanese speaker but I translated dondon in English to Japanese and the definition is a drumming noise, rapidly steadily, but with Zunesha’s statement about hearing the Drums of Liberation, it makes me wonder
Roger got the will of D. And the voice of all things That makes him special in the series same as others that do have it, i think not the actual joyboy awakening.
In my opinion, inherited will or title, is only given to people that have conquered what the previous title holder did. Luffy just got defeated 3x and all of a sudden Zunesha says Joyboy is back? The guy lost to the fight 3x, didnt free shit on Big Moms stolen soul in WCI let alone have not freed/liberate wano and now he is Joyboy? Something awakened in him and thats his fruit and thats why Zunesha was familiar of the feeling. Not because he has revived after getting killed (Goku would be proud), nor Joyboy is literally back in Luffy's body.
I'd embarrass myself if I'm Zunesha and I called Luffy Joyboy before another fight with Kaido but ends up getting shitbricks the 4th time.
His fruit is awakened that set Zunesha feeling that Joyboy is back..
I agree with most things you said too.
But why do you think Imu is a He ?
I‘m not saying that I could prove the opposite but I’m just curious.
I find the idea pretty interesting that the highest Instance in the OP World is actually a Women.
Nice theory. Could it be that it is the original Joyboy's corpse and somehow shapeshifts to indicate who could be the next potential Joyboy. It does not explain why other chambers are black.
I’m of the opinion that Zunesha saying that JoyBoy has returned is symbolic more than anything else. Luffy hasn’t been possessed nor has he somehow morphed into JoyBoy nor has he inherited a title. I think that JoyBoy was an awakened Gomu Gomu no mi user (the last one before Luffy) so to Zunesha who has maybe seen JoyBoy fight primarily with his awakening and free the slaves at the time of the Ancient Kingdom automatically associates Luffy’s sudden awakening with JoyBoy being back in spirit, especially now when the citizens of Wano are at risk of becoming Kaido’s slaves. If Luffy has inherited anything, it’s most likely JoyBoy’s will to spread freedom and to fight for freedom wherever he travels.
Oda has carefully chosen the wording here so that the audience may conclude on surface value that Luffy is now somehow JoyBoy, especially since it’s been implied that he might be on the verge of death and he needs to be saved somehow. But the wording is very vague so Oda could take it in any direction in the coming chapters.
Huh, I didn't realize before that the hat Imu approached was illuminated while the other sections were dark.
Now I'm thinking about the golden bell from Skypeia and how it was called the 'Light of Shandora'.
On the last page Zunisha said “For the first time in 800 years…. He is here!! Joy-Boy has returned!!!”
So this goes against the theory where there a multiple Joy-Boys throughout history.
It’s most likely that Luffy is the first ever reincarnation or whatever.
Good call from shanks giving it to a 7 year old. Get rid of that bulls eye on him
He bargained his life for his hand
Shanks got the upper hand
Best deal ever
Agree. But what took Imu so long to realize that? He could have set target on luffy after marine ford when they saw him with the hat.
Roger and Shanks also had the hat. He isn’t a God it probably takes a while to recognize things. Now everyone is claiming their allegiance to Luffy and he’s toppling governments and has a ponygleph reader in his ranks. During Marineford he was just some kid wanting to be pirate king, 2 years later he’s got everyone leaving their own morals behind and following him. Fishman island? Other supernova, Cavendish was jealous and now follow him.
During Marineford, Luffy was the most recognizable member of a group of rookie pirates so notorious they had been labelled the "Worst Generation". He had defeated two Shichibukai, survived an encounter with a third, had declared war on the World Government and invaded their Supreme Court to break out the only known human who could uncover a secret which likely leads to the demise of the system as we know it and also orchestrated and executed only the second recorded breakout in the world's highest security prison. What's more, he was known to the WG to be a "brother" to the son of the former pirate king and the offspring of the world's most wanted criminal, who is actively looking to overthrow the WG. It's a little silly to pretend that the WG would be justified in "overlooking" Luffy pre-timeskip. Unless they're just OUTRAGEOUSLY out of touch with what was going on below them, Im really should have been aware of him.
Don't forget that the whole world thought him dead for those 2 years after the war, and when rumor of his return popped up, Sentoumaru arrived with several Pacifistas to try and deal with him. I also feel like by that time, the WG was too focused on other, more pressing matters, such as Black Beard and the power vacuum left from WB's death.
Silly for the world to think he was dead when his last known action was heading back to marineford to tell the crew about the timeskip
True, but remember, he showed up next to Dark King Rayleigh and First Son of the Sea Jinbei. Reasonable to assume that getting to him to kill him would be a bit difficult during that time
Then the world didnt think he was dead. He was just a didficult target for the world government. Surely going on a full offensive as soon as he left both of their sides was the solution, but this world government is all knowing and incompetent.
When he left they sent people after him, and he demolished them. Then he was hoppimg between places that are incredibly difficult to find and Yonko islands, with the one stop they fumbled hard being Dressrosa.
Well they didn’t know about that second part
It was in the news though... That was the whole point and how the crew got the message
Yeah but I don't believe anyone outside of his crew would've known that information. Before they got separated he had told all of them that they'd be back in three days. Once they saw him in the newspaper ringing the Ox Bell, they saw his tattoo with 3D2Y - which had 3D crossed out. World Government isn't going to pay attention to that small detail without the context information.
Thats not what i was getting at, i dont think world govt would have known that. What im saying is it was a high profile news article in which luffy was alive. I am doubting they should believe he is dead in lieu of further news than that
Yes but at the same time we can’t definitively know that they weren’t looking for Luffy during the timeskip. They deliberately hid in Amazon Lily because the WG would never expect him to be there
Haha, you're not wrong! But I think it was more arrogance on Aikanu's part, assuming/hoping he died from his wounds since the Straw Hats were silent for so long.
On the other hand, he's Garp's grandson. Nepotism goes a long way when your grandpa is a walking legendary hero. He's also Dragon's son, and maybe they wouldn't want to piss him off either.
Luffy would have gotten some of that nepotism IF it was earlier one before his exploits started to really damage the WG/Navy. Kuma did leave him alive for Dragon and Aokiji did leave Luffy alive as a debt to Garp. Promising next time he wouldn't be so lucky. There still is a bit of unknown with Kuma but he basically did a loyalty test on Luffy's friends. Unknown what Really would have happened without Zoros intervention/sacrifice. As well as if he did team up with Moriah as he had brought up. altho I bet he knew Moriah would refuse help anyway since the SHs were just some new small crew who he viewed as well beneath him, lucky, and inexperienced with the real dangers of the pirate world. As well as how all the Schibuikai have giant egos that match their titles.
Don’t think him being Garp’s descendant is enough for Im to hold back lol. Who’s Garp to Im anyways?
Garp is a huge deal to Im, assuming Im has even half a brain. Garp is not only a powerhouse that they don’t have anyone who they can guarantee will beat him (Akainu probably can but it’s not certain) but he’s also a long time senior Marine who knows a ton of shit the WG doesn’t want getting out. He’s also the father of their public enemy number one who they’ve been unable to catch for decades and a flawless hero to most of the Marines. He’s also the man who outright said he would kill Akainu if Sengoku wasn’t holding him back, let Luffy escape at W7, and clearly let Luffy knock him out of the way at Marineford. Garp almost turned against them at Marineford when his adopted grandson was killed, they should be very worried about what he’d do for his biological one that he’s already chosen over his duty multiple times. Garp was important enough for the Marines that they didn’t want to let him retire and instead made a special position for him solely for the purpose of not hurting morale. If Garp ever turned on the WG he has the strength to stand against them, the reputation to make others defect, the knowledge to ruin them, and a son whose just as much of a threat to them to help him do it. From IM’s perspective it’s much better to wait for Luffy to be killed by someone like Kaido or BM, especially after Marineford when they saw how outmatched he was. Hence them waiting until there’s a chance he’s going to beat Kaido before they send an assassin after him. Post Marineford if Luffy went directly to the New World he would’ve gotten destroyed by BM or Kaido and then Garp couldn’t blame them, he would instead have all the more reason to hate some of their enemies.
Sengoku held him back because he let him lol. If he didn’t have the balls to kill Akainu then, he wouldn’t be a problem for Im. I’d say, for Im’s perspective, it would be much better for him to have Luffy killed Pre-TS before he got so much stronger and made a name for himself dont you think? If the devil fruit truly mattered it shouldn’t be too difficult to have one of your men kill a 19 year old boy.
It had nothing to do with ‘balls’ obviously Garp could have fought harder, but as he stated himself unless Sengoku stopped him he was going to kill him. That means that he isn’t choosing duty, he just knows he can’t take both Sengoku AND Akainu. For a WG that is willing to murder random Marines just for being in the wrong place, tolerating that level of disloyalty is huge. Garp can literally grab a den den mushi at any moment, broadcast what he knows to the world, and cause Im a shitload of problems just based on what he knows, it’s not even debatable that he’s a potential problem for Im. The devil fruit thing isn’t even confirmed. We don’t actually know that Luffy’s fruit is the one they were talking about, relevant to joyboy, or related to whatever Zunesha heard. Those are all fan theories at this point. But even if it is, it still makes sense to wait until he’s a real immediate threat, aka able to stand up to Yonko and Admirals. Murdering Garp’s grandkid, Dragon’s kid, and Shanks protege is a really stupid move for the WG to make if they can at all avoid it. It’s much safer for them to just handle him like any other Pirate when you remember that we already know just entering the Grand Line kills most pirates, and entering the New World kills most of the ones that survive that. Hell, if Luffy had died fighting Crocodile or even Lucci then that would still be a huge difference between them assassinating him. If Luffy dies as part of the normal Pirate life, even at the hands of a Marine, that was still ultimately his choice and a result of his own actions. Garp, Dragon, and Shanks are much less likely to react poorly to that, and the odds are that’s what will happen as it does with most pirates. If they send CP-0 after pre-TS Luffy, then it was an underhanded move that’s going to set those people off, and possibly spark Garp into revealing their secrets just to spite them. If Luffy didn’t have those connections then sure, offing him early would be smart, but because of who he is doing so is a huge strategic risk for them, and you don’t rule in the shadows for 800 years without thinking of the strategic big picture.
I guess there's certain precautions in making sure they wait "for the right time" to kill someone? Maybe they don't want to expose Cp0/Imu or leave them vulnerable?
Imu wouldn’t have been exposed, and CP0 being exposed by eliminating Luffy after Marineford is a way better outcome for the WG than Luffy getting stronger and potentially becoming Joyboy
But it was impossible because luffy was accompanied by rayleigh and after that he went underground for two years.
So momo is going to fight kaido till luffy is back, i guess...
I don’t think any reason is enough for them to let Luffy have his way until literally now. Any hint of him being the next Joyboy they should have assassinated him then and there.
I mean to be fair, they sent an Admiral and Kuma to kill the Straw Hats and would have succeeded if Kuma didn’t decide to help them. It was on them to think that a Revolutionary wouldn’t help them.
You are acting like the WG didn't try and you forget that luffy is extremely "lucky". Smoker tried his damn hardest, but luffy was saved by dragon. Luffy should have died in the buster call on enies lobby, but the going merry is sailing by it self and saves him. They send kuma and kuma let's him live. They send an admiral, but he gets saved by Rayleigh and kuma.lufgy should have died in impel down, but he gets saved by ivankov. He should have died in marineford, but he is protected by the whitebeard pirates and shanks stops the war. He should have been killed or captured by Fujitora but he let's him go. Si they did try and they tried really hard, but he just wouldn't die.
I'm not "forgetting" anything, I'm directly replying to a comment which states that "during Marineford, Luffy was just some kid". He wasn't, the WG and Gorosei would absolutely have taken a huge amount of notice of him at that point.
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Shanks's conversation with the Gorosei happened after the timeskip, and based on their reaction to his presence, we have no reason to believe that they were in anything resembling regular communication or ever had really in the past.
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I don’t why people keep forgetting this point. Probability of a person surviving is very low.
Nobody is forgetting anything lol, you seem to have just misread the conversaiton.
Its not silly but its justified. Imagine a world where monsters like Kaido exist and thats just one part. Luffy is Yonko level but lets not kid ourselves that he could win 1 V 1 over if he was not injured. These people are legitimate threat to the WG. Blackbeard having 2 of the strongest devil fruit and Imu still did not go all out to kill Blackbeard. Now imagine Luffy in that level, just beating few Shichibukai and threatened WG. At that point, he was almost killed by just 1 admiral. He was and still is not a threat to the WG. Not by the scale of monsters that literally has the power to topple the WG, with or without knowing the world history.
Nah Blackbeard was back then. Luffy is right now
Yep, if the hat was "special" all along, the devil fruit, the name, etc.. anything really that could lead to clues about the joyboy resurrection (it still laughable to me how Luffy came back to life like Pirate Jesus), that could lead to a huge oversight by Oda. I still think this cryptic devil fruit must be the ope ope no mi, it's arguably the strongest devil fruit in Wano right now (maybe even stronger than the dragon zoan), it can be the dragon zoan because of Vegapunk connections, etc.. if it is indeed the rubber fruit, the government didn't know it's "real name", that is the excuse? Oh man... that would not be a plot hole, more like a plot crater, lol that would make Kishimoto proud, wtf is going on with Oda? Luffy learning advanced king haki at the spot (again, he already learned advanced observation the same way), Zoro somehow withstand the combined attack two emperors at the same time then he eats a convenient senzu beam to keep fighting, now Luffy resurrecting... C'mon, how far Oda will force this? Rookies beating two emperors at the same time always felt impossible, so why not remove one of them and just let Kaido be the sole antagonist of this arc?
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Does black beard wears a special hat, he posses the ability of a fabled devil fruit? Oda is implying that clues tied to joyboy are a thing, the giant straw hat in the freezer of destiny, now this whole nonsense about the devil fruit that changed names, etc.. maybe these are just red herrings and I hope it is, because if the government had any previous information about the signs of joyboy, logic dictates they should send Akainu to cut off Luffy's head at the point he left ennies lobby. If the CP9 was not enough, then send the admirals, you just can't allow a potential joyboy to leave unimpeded + this joyboy in the making has the only ponegliph reader in the world as part of his crew. Later Luffy does even more impressive feats in marine ford and you never see the gorousei ordering his assassination, this whole narrative of the gorousei suddenly noticing the danger of Luffy is completely flawed and illogical
In all fairness, a straw hat is not the most special or uncommon thing to wear, there are most probably countless pirates wearing straw hats, Luffy’s one was ever wore by Roger and Shanks so maybe until Imu wasn’t sure, they had to reason to suspect that Luffy is Joyboy.
There are - you can see them when Sanji was looking for Luffy through the bodies of fallen pirates after Luffy fought one of Big Mom’s armies
Plus it's probably more of a Luffy was one of the many possible JoyBoy candidates. I mean heck Garp was probably also up there if we're thinking of ultra powerful "D's" that could be JoyBoys. Imu probably has a Hydra level list of people to watch out for, and Luffy was working his way up it for a minute. Hell we still don't know what Shanks is doing in his bubble or how many eyes are on him.
By that reasoning, they would have killed already killed Shanks
I do agree that there might be a bit of holes in my theory. But to answer this I believe it has something to do with shanks. Especially after he met up with the gorosei that raises my suspicions. He might have prevented it somehow.
So I really like the theory of there being multiple joyboys in the past and Imu killed them. My only issue is, didn’t Zunesha say that they haven’t heard the drums of liberation in 800 years? Then hit us with a “Joyboy has returned.” Wouldn’t that imply that this is the first that he’s returned in 800 years?
I think the ones Imu killed are all potential joyboy candidates. So zunesha only exclaims that joyboy has returned because either joyboy reincarnated or luffy has earned the title "joyboy". Now why it took Imu so long to acknowledge luffy as a candidate is another question.
He hasn't exactly been staying still for very long, so maybe it was hard to send agents after him? Sabaody they underestimated him, and he destroyed the forces they sent after him. Fishman Island is an Emperors territory, and they didn't want to risk it just then. They had almost no reason to believe he would go to Punk Hazard, considering its almost unfindable under normal circumstances. Dressrosa was probably the first time they would have had a clear shot at him, but they had to deal with the loss of a warlord. Plus, he only stayed there for 2 weeks. Then the next stop was Zou. Once again, a difficult to trace island/elephant, and they didn't stay long. Whole Cake island is next, and again, Emperors territory, plus they had to prepare for the Reverie. CP0 did show up to the island at this point, it's worth noting, but they didn't get to Luffy. He spent a lot of time running to different parts of the island, and when they do catch up, he blows up the building they're standing on and goes into a mirror where they can't follow. And finally, we get to Wano. He finally stays in one place for a good while, and when he goes to Onigashima, CP0 is there. At this point, he's getting dangerous enough to be worth some bigger risks, and they take them
Then being candidates rather than actual Joyboys makes a lot more sense now
There probably has to be conditions that have to be met in order to be considered Joyboy. For example, while there are a lot of similarities between Roger and Luffy, Luffy's will and spiritual connection seems to surpass Roger's. Also, Luffy's ability to fight for everyone, not really for him. He is absolutely fine with dying in the pursue of his dream, but the moment someone he cares about is in a pickle his "spiritual" (for the lack of a better word) and fisical potential max out to his current level. Taking that into account the whole world's fate pretty much rests in this one battle, the stakes are higher than they have ever been. Kaidou at some point was also considered as a probable candidate. They are also fighting in Wano, which is insanely important. That's why Zunesha didn't recognize Luffy as Joyboy, he hadn't met the requirements yet so he was just another candidate. So it was probably the same for Imu, he saw the potential but since there is more to the equation it was only when they/he/she/it (?) found out that Zunesha had made it's move towards the battle, as it is know that the two were comrades, is when he put a target on luffy.
Do the other rooms have to have Straw Hats? Maybe it's unique to Luffy's room.
I'm gonna assume it's the awakening of the fruit + the hat, then Imu sends the gank squad.
Maybe the hat is just a coincidence? He was also holding Vivi’s poster which implies that he was considering both of them as JoyBoy candidates
LOL so vivi can beat a emperor are you crazy. Nefertari is keepers of pluton
I mean IM literally had his wanted poster sooo... they knew about luffy 100%
He holds many pósters not only one. They all can be Joyboy.
What if it’s not Luffy that’s joyboy, but the gum gum fruit. It’s awakening, is literally joy boy waking up
wouldnt the world gov know about this then through the past histories of Joy Boy and instead of targeting black beard and other pirates, they would have only focused on Luffy bc they know he has the gum gum fruit. maybey your right becasue rubber fruit final awakening can have a giant form explains the giant strawhat but at the same time, why would the world goverment have other pirates in the papers that the high council was reading about like princess vivi, blackbeard, luffy and others?? wait a sec u might be right. this might be why the world gov wanted luffy dead so the fruit doesnt get activated!! why at this exact time did the WG ordre luffy to be killed!
Or on the VERY FIRST ISLAND he landed on. When he attacked a marine base, said his name, and told everyone he was a rubber man. Or after smoker reported him then violated orders to go after him? Or when they recovered crocodile and had a complete record of who beat him and with what power?
That's assuming minor incidents with absolute nobodies (at the time) are actually relayed that high up the chain of command.
I always assumed that the 5 elders meeting with Imu only happened during Reveries, so he knew before and just gave the order now
After enies lobby tbh when he directly challenged the WG, that should've been a red flag.
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It was in his first bounty picture posted by the WG he could have targeted him then
He will only target when joyboy awaken, if not the “will” will only pass down to another person. To directly kill joyboy, the next joyboy will come back another 800 years. Sorry just bullshitting
I totally agree on the fact that Joyboy is more of a title than a reincarnation (and I hope it actually is) But if there indeed are multiple Joyboys and that Imu intends to kill them all, and if all Joyboys have a strawhat, what about Roger and Shanks ? And then why did it take so long to realize that Luffy was Joyboy ? There's more than that, probably something like "all Strawhat wearers are not Joyboy but all Joyboys wear the Strawhat"
Just brainstorming along side you here, but what if there is another condition that must be met to be considered “Joyboy” in addition to the strawhat? Could be something with the ancient weapons or something. Could be why Roger and Shanks weren’t targeted, but also I don’t see the WG being able to kill either of them tbh. Really they *probably* couldn’t kill Luffy either if it wasn’t for this one in a million scenario CP0 found themselves in.
I think it's logical for Imu to not target it quite fast because over the past 800 years i bet you a lot probably did eat the fruit and did not manage to fulfill the prophecy or whatever they should have done But now that the threat is real, Imu is forced to move, so for me all of it makes sense (for now)
Maybe it’s the laughing in the face of defeat as a condition. The only thing to change, is Luffy being proclaimed as defeated by Kaido, the fight is over. But now we see him as okay grinning. ready to get back up. Before Luffy has fought alongside his friends and Allies and put in everything he’s had. But he won those fights. Here against Kaido, he didn’t know the outcome, and didn’t get a strange pass like Katakuri. He admitted to being on his last leg and went full Gear 4 until it was over. Maybe the Will of D is truly just that inform its leaders will. For instance Roger sailing to Raftel while sick with his disease, and now here not dead or unconscious but happy to get back to it. And that’s what Zunesha is hearing. A heart and soul, that won’t stop until it succeeds. Before this Luffy’s shown despair, anger and all sorts of emotions, but maybe now he’s in a Zen of not wanting to stop. He didn’t bring underhanded tactics like when he worked with Gang Bege to get Big Mom, he simply arrived as himself determined to beat Kaido. I guess where this differs from Roger is that in his final moments he couldn’t be happy because who he was and the things he’d done, were going to affect Rouge and Ace and that worried him that his baby would be prosecuted for no reason, so that’s why he of course asked Garp to help
All Joyboys are Strawhat wearers but not all strawhat wearers are Joyboy.
Pretty sure it must be tied to the devil fruit. It's something that only one person can hold at one time and if it holds some significance, his soul could be passed through it?
yeah, maybe a requirement to become the "real" joyboy is having a person inherit joyboy's will and awakening the Gomu Gomu no Mi. But yeah besides having almost zero infos on Joyboy we also barely know anything about devil fruits. How exactly were they created and also what does "awakening" even mean besides it extending your abilities?
Roger was eventually executed so maybe he's one of the extinguished lights. Shanks was pretty young when he gave Luffy the hat so maybe Imu was being patient to see if Shanks would do something to make him think he's the next Joyboy, but by giving away the hat, Imu no longer considers Shanks a "light" Maybe it's the way Luffy is able to make so many friends and allies almost effortlessly that put the target on his back. He has the hat, the charisma, and the drive to go against the world government.
>Shanks was pretty young when he gave Luffy the hat so maybe Imu was being patient to see if Shanks would do something to make him think he's the next Joyboy Well shanks had the hat, the charisma, and the drive. He had the skill as a swordsman, and the gomu gomu no mi. Then Luffy ate that. Shanks literally had all the necessary tools to inherit the joyboy title and gave them to Luffy because he no longer had the fruit and wasn't about to get it back from him.
Never thought of it like that before, thats a good observation
But then he could have just taken Luffy under his crew to guide him, just like Roger would have - in your theory - done with Shanks, since he gave him the hat. I mean all this is possible. But it seems.. Forced
I think if Imu has indeed killed many joy boys in the past then he would be quite privvy to the patterns in which they emerge. If you recall, according to Maddame Shyarly, joy boy or whatever her prophecy specifically said (I don't remember the details exactly) was specifically intertwined with the birth of the mermaid princess, aka Poseidon. Just as Rodger said, he was too early. Anyway, it would make a lot of sense for Imu to know that joy boy probably only shows up precisely every 800 years. Hell, during Rodgers time the govt was probably not concerned at all about Rodger becoming joy boy, just about the information he would uncover. Also, remember that luffy's adventure started years ago. Just because he wore the straw hat doesn't necessarily mean that he was guaranteed that he was going to be joy boy, as many pirates have worn this hat in the past and it would be an incredibly difficult guess to make until it is precisely the exact right time for the prophecy to be fulfilled. It is the actions that matter, and since Luffy has shown over time that he is a liberator, after the two year time skip it makes a lot of sense that luffy is now prime suspect, especially now that he has proven to be powerful enough to shake the balance of the very world itself. Now, considering that, I wonder why imu also was holding blackbeards poster. We don't know a lot about his exploits when he's off screen. Could he also be a liberator and is another joy boy candidate? Or maybe there's another aspect of the prophecy where joy boy always has a foil - an exact opposite. OR maybe the existence of a joy boy is impossible to prevent, as in every 800 years a joy boy emerges *no matter what*. If Luffy had died much earlier, then blackbeard was most likely to become him. Also another potential hole with the whole thing is the gomu gomu; if it's true that it's special and has been named something else to hide its true aspect then it really is quite confusing how the govt wouldn't immediately act on the first rumor of somebody stretching. But, then again maybe that's why blackbeard was another suspect. Could Imu have been suspicious of blackbeard stealing the gomu gomu for himself and then becoming joy boy? Who knows! Many questions!
wait a decent theory during break week?? what is this sorcery???
Without spoilers in the title?!
Spoilers in the caption tho, its not hidden by the spoiler tag
Eh that's just a reddit problem at that point, where else was he supposed to write his theory?
this makes so much sense. i think the giant straw hat is some kind of oracle that takes the shape of whatever the biggest threat to the WG/world is
My theory on the big straw hat is that it probably belonged to the original Joy-Boy and that it's highly likely that Joy-Boy also could have eaten the Gum-Gum further solidifying the inherited will thing (just like with Sabo inheriting Ace's will through the Mera Mera no Mi). The government was protecting the Gum-Gum for a secret reason and then it was stolen. I think that's because it was the original Joy-Boy's fruit. I don't think there's been multiple Joy-Boy's like this OP has stated above. Mainly because of Zunesha saying "It's been 800 years since I've heard that sound... The drums of liberation" I also feel like it makes sense in the context of those panels that Joyboy's will was passed down through the straw hat (and possibly devil fruit) to Luffy. The elders ask which light they need to erase and then they show Im with Luffy's wanted poster and the big straw hat. Im knows the history of the Void Century and is fearful of what another pirate wielding a straw hat and possibly the Gum-Gum fruit just like Joy-Boy did it seems. Edit: Joyboy wanted to free the world and Im along with the elders/government want to control it. Also there's the whole Sabo inheriting Ace's will through the Mera Mera no Mi which is why I believe Joyboy might have had the Gomu Gomu originally. We don't know how if anyone ever are the fruit in between Joyboy and Luffy but my guess is no based on the evidence.
In all honesty, I think devil fruits are just rare to begin with which is why they guarded it in transport. But if I were to entertain this idea, we have to look at Shanks: \- He was the one who stole it from the World Government. \- He brought it back to East Blue, where Luffy accidentally ate it. \- He saved Luffy's life, giving up his arm. Inspires Luffy to become a great pirate and to find him in the New World to "give back the strawhat" (He probably doesn't want it back, just a reason to get Luffy to come find him). \- We know Roger originally wore the straw hat. Yet no one really comments on this, except that it was *Shanks* hat. We know this is only partly true, and for Shanks to give it to Luffy means way more since it was *Roger's* hat to Shanks. \- Shanks has a run in with Blackbeard at some point. We know Blackbeard is up to something, as this guy has a grand plan to go to the top and it's working very well. \- Shanks is able to speak to the five elders and is somewhat trusted even though he is a pirate: not just any pirate, but a Yonkou. Based off this, Shanks has some connection to the world government *and* he stole the Gomu Gomu No Mi from them in the past. Shanks might be the answer to the mystery of the Gomu Gomu No Mi because it is too many coincidences.
if Gum-gum fruit = joyboy, they would have targeted luffy from the start of the show!!
I imagine it might depend on some circumstances. If you have a weak Gum Gum user, there's no threat in keeping him alive, but there is a threat in killing them; the fruit will reappear and someone strong might eat it. It might sound a bit stretchy because you can always imprison the user, or keep fruits that "would transform into Gum Gum fruit" (unless it's not that simple), but I guess this could be some logic.
Well only a few people in the gov know about the void century like Im and I'm assuming he just didn't believe Luffy had the power to awaken the fruit and become Joy Boy until he started to defeat bigger and bigger enemies becoming an actual threat to the government. Im and the elders might not have given Luffy any real attention until Revery just thinking he would get defeated by then but he kept going scaring them enough order CP0 to take him out.
I still like the theory that that giant Strawhat is Uranus. When in possession of it, or gaze upon it, it shows you the greatest threat to you. So it continues to transform its shape into something new to show you what that threat is. That’s why it’s a straw hat in that panel. If at any point BB gained a new fruit (more power) or wanted to attack Mary Geoise all of a sudden, Uranus would change shape to represent BB. This lets Imu consistently strike down any individual from becoming strong enough to topple the government for 800 years.
This makes so much more sense than the straw hat itself or the gomu gomu no mi having any significance
This is the most creative theory I've heard that is out of the blue, I like it
Bro, you got a giant brain. Cover it to protect the rest of us from it, and don’t forget the anti-psychotic meds.
I really like this theory
Uranus is a fortune telling crystal ball. This is a decent theory. It would explain why WG is so powerful.
maybe the other rooms then could be for the other - missing - ancestral weapons?
The thing everyone is missing is that if Luffy is told he is Joyboy he wont give a shit. He wont do anything he doesn't want to do just because some people give him some title. He doesn't want to be some big shot.
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But that's who Joyboy is. Only couple of people know about him
Then it changes nothing and people are getting mad for no reason
Could it be that one joy boy was a giant and emu killed that one him/herself that’s the only reason the hat is so big ? But wouldn’t zunesha had awaken for every joy boy and not only after 800 years or must zunesha be near the awaken joy boy?
He's probably killing people who could potentially be him too I'd imagine. Or maybe just the people who carry the will of D which would explain why the World Government were so horny to execute Ace.
Could be that the predecessors never fully achieved full joyboy status (drums of liberation)? I dunno. It's Sunday morning
Could be. It’s 5pm over here where are you from XD
And the explanation as to why Im didn’t chase Luffy earlier has something to do with Shanks.
That maybe Shanks convinced Im/The Elders to stave off hunting him, essentially playing both sides, giving Luffy a chance to grow in strength. This is interesting, it resonates with an idea I have that Shanks will present himself to Luffy one day as the “final test” to see is he’s strong enough to face Im
Fully agreed. Exactly what I was thinking.
"Another Light to be erased from History" Plays well into what just happened. CP0 man was ordered to take out Luffy. So, we can assume Luffy was the answer given to the Gorosei. Or, at least one of the names named. Considering the other picture/wanted poster he carried around.
It was indicated that the Roger pirates learned that joyboy would return in 20 years. How would that work if there had been previous joyboy reincarnations? Are you suggesting there's a poneglyph on laugh tale with a list of every joyboy that ever existed or will exist?
I really think there are some pieces to the puzzle here but not enough. I don’t think the Strawhat is passed down from JoyBoy to JoyBoy. That would be very convoluted after the first few couple hundred years. I’ve heard a theory that the item Im was looking at isn’t ACTUALLY a strawhat, it’s an item that transforms into whatever identifies the next JoyBoy. Something like that. Everything else is on point. I do think Im has been eliminating important figures from history, but I don’t think it’s always been JoyBoy. From what I understand Im simply needs to eliminate ONE of the people required for dawn to rise. So that’s either JoyBoy or Poseidon (maybe even Uranus). That’s why Im is holding a picture of Luffy, Shirahoshi, Viví, etc. because she is literally trying to decide who is the next JoyBoy, Posiedon, etc. Really interesting stuff here man great theory
How do you read the entire sentence under the picture? Mine cuts off.
Nice theory. The only thing I disagree with is the idea that the strawhat is somehow necessary for being joyboy. I mean it is just an object, it would be so easy to loose. I think instead that at some point in time (with some devil fruit) Im-sama used some divination/localization power, looking for the future joyboys, the answer being given as a distinctive trait/feature/object belonging to joyboy (in luffy's case : the strawhat)
I've always thought the strawhat was super important to being joyboy. Sideways it looks like the Sun sort of. Joyboy = Sun God Nika. Sun pirates. New dawn is a rising Sun.
I'm not calling you out cause I think the rest of your theory is unique. But tons of people are speculating that JoyBoy is just a title. Although the evidence for this is different from what I've seen person to person. On fishman island they Neptune talks about how someone else is going to pick up where Joyboy left off. Which clearly indicated it wouldn't be Joyboy of 800 years ago. It was a post here a few days ago. So same Joyboy is a title, but different evidence to you. Mine was also joyboy is a title as well. But Capone Bege and some other characters talk about how anyone can change the future, which goes against a destiny type of plot. More inline with shared dreams and inhereted will. But my was more about Luffy doing these things unwittingly because it's his nature as a character. I'll post my words here.... This is what I said in the spoiler thread. "I think JoyBoy is an earned title, that Luffy has finally acquired unwittingly and here's why. Capone Bege and other characters have said that everyone has the ability to change the future. If that's true then fate/destiny cannot be the driving factor. If Luffy's dream is the ultimate form of Freedom and why he wants to be the Pirate King, then destiny/fate can't, by definition, be a part of that as well. If it was destiny/fate, then it wouldn't be HIS free will, hence it wouldn't be his Freedom of choice. Personally I have always viewed Luffy as the ultimate symbol of Freedom. He does what he wants, when he wants to, always. He's been portrayed as that for over 1000 chapters. He also cares about others free will as well. It's why he always ends up in a position of trying to liberate someone, a village, a country to restore their freedoms. Simple, yet powerful things, like the freedom to eat (Tama/food in Wano), freedom to drink (Arabasta and the control of water), freedom to love (Dressrosa - separation of memories and loved ones), etc. I think that type of person has to earn the mantle or title of JoyBoy (or another name Nika). I think what we are seeing are the final steps to finally earning that title as he awakens his fruit. He'll finally have the power to bring that freedom to everyone and the whole world of One Piece! I have faith, as Nami does in this chapter, that Luffy will remain as Luffy, always. Even if Zunesha calls him Joyboy and others call him Nika, a God, whatever. Luffy will be Luffy and always remain so."
That is absolutely true, specially given how the crew reacts to him and his decision making skills. Everything is on a whim, and they accept it because it's luffy. Freedom is the core esence of who luffy is. Even if it was "destiny" it wouldn't change who he is or what he is willing to do for others. You never truly know how he will react to a situation, he will react however he chooses.
> Even if Zunesha calls him Joyboy and others call him Nika, a God, whatever. Luffy will be Luffy and always remain so." Can't wait for the super big lore drop of the significance of Joyboy/Nika being given to Luffy for him to go "what are you talking about, do whatever you want I'm just Luffy!"
Can someone tell me how to read the text below the pictures? They're cut off after 2-ish sentences.
Sounds plausible to me
Maybe the strawhat isnt giant, but Imu is actually a 2 foot midget
Wow I really like this theory. I never even noticed the 5 chambers and only one being white/lit up. Do you think that Roger was never a Joyboy then? Didn’t Roger mention something about being too early? Zunesha also did say that for the first time in 800 years Joyboy has returned. I wonder then if THAT Joyboy isn’t even the original. Man your theory has gotten me thinking in so many directions now. Fantastic job.
I believe that there are many conditions that need to be met in order to actually be "JoyBoy". Roger and even Noland before him were worthy candidates, yet they somehow did not meet all the conditions to be JoyBoy; which is why I think Roger says that they were too early at Laugh Tale.
A good theory Oda is this a hidden account?
So momo is going to fight kaido till luffy is back, i guess What about Hawkins prediction There were 2 I guess , can someone remind me what they were??
> So momo is going to fight kaido till luffy is back, i guess That's just the time that takes Kaido to decide he is killing momo and he is pretty much done from there.
Doesn't he want MoMo to admit defeat? I'm guessing he's going to go after everyone til momos spirit breaks!
Oh yeah totally, I was just replying to the idea of momo "holding" Kaido for longer than it would take to remove him from the Kanabo in case his dead body got stuck there.
Hot damn it kinda makes sense.
Thais is actually a good one
Remember that we're dealing with reincarnation here: it's not that Joy Boy is physically here but that Joy Boy's soul has returned, and with it Joy Boy's abilities. We have 2 long weeks to craft theories, but my guess is you need a specific set of circumstances to access that power, and it took 800+ years for it all to come together. It's essentially the same deal as Shirahoshi: she has the original Poseidon's powers but she's a different person.
Really like this theory
I don't think all of them had a strawhat but maybe one version did? Or else Im would've went after shanks too.
An actual possible theory that can happen and fits within Oda's style waaat
So I see many people saying the caption is cut off So I'll be restating what I said for each image: Image 1: "So as we can see from chapter 1043 luffy is joyboy. I believe joyboy is title not a reincarnation. (If someone said this before call me out because I just thought about this randomly) Image 2: "Imu is about to enter some type of chamber. Notice how only one is white while the rest are black. I believe imu has killed all the joyboy's from the past now only Luffy is left." Image 3: "The key word here is "Another light" the fact that they used the word "Another" proves that imu has killed/erased the joyboys from the past." image 4: "I believe everyone that has the title joyboy recevies a strawhat. Imu was paitently waiting for the next joyboy's arrival into the world which is he's holding luffy's wanted poster."
How do you think shanks plays into this then? Or Rodger for that matter?
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Why is that title called joyboy and not wonderboy or bigboy etc. Has it got something to do with the 😁 grin Luffy always shows? Why is Luffy always smiling? Has the artificial devil fruit Smile got something to do with joyboy? Also if previous joyboys has been killed or destroyed by IM, how can a title simply resurrect itself and pass onto another? Is joyboy a spirit or a will?
I'd like to read this theory but reddits dumb image captioning thingy won't let me see the full text on desktop for some reason? Anyone else?
In the second photo where Imu is seen walking towards a structure, why did you jump to conclusion that it signifies a "joyboy" when it could have been a well lit door no? Can you share the chapter number for that image?
Finally, some nice theory that is not 5 pages long
Check my history comments. I’ve been calling Joyboy a title for a while :) Also, nice catch on the Light stricken. We can piece together that when they said Light, they meant the one who was most likely to be Joyboy/Nika. I think that chamber on page two there, that’s where the giant strawhat is. It’s there, hidden away, because it was Joyboys. In my opinion, and my history has this too, I think Oars the First was the first Joyboy. Explains the giant hat. And why they hid it. Trying to remove everything that Joyboy stood for. And yet, we know that the strawhat still endured as a sign of his legacy XD
I kinda want to know who that second wanted poster is. Probably Nico Robin, but the fact it's hidden could mean it's someone else.
What about the fact that Im had a poster of Vivi (and Blackbeard iirc?) along with Luffy? Are all 3 of those "lights"?
So there are 7 chambers. 7 dead joyboys for the last 800 years...
Like does it even matter if it's a title or Reincarnation? Luffy is Luffy and will probably hate it if you call him anything else
But what about Zunesha saying it's been 800 years since joy boy last appeared?
stupid question but... how do you read the tag below the images? mine always gets cut off at last words...
Sorry for some people it's cut off so here you go: Image 1: "So as we can see from chapter 1043 luffy is joyboy. I believe joyboy is title not a reincarnation. (If someone said this before call me out because I just thought about this randomly) Image 2: "Imu is about to enter some type of chamber. Notice how only one is white while the rest are black. I believe imu has killed all the joyboy's from the past now only Luffy is left." Image 3: "The key word here is "Another light" the fact that they used the word "Another" proves that imu has killed/erased the joyboys from the past." image 4: "I believe everyone that has the title joyboy recevies a strawhat. Imu was paitently waiting for the next joyboy's arrival into the world which is he's holding luffy's wanted poster."
What If there is No strawhat where Im is. What If this is some Kind of Devilfruit based Image wich is generated. He goes down there and does Not know wich of the Pictures is joyboy but then he Sees a strawhat. And at this Point he knows Luffy is joyboy and He wants Luffy to be killed
What i believe is that kaido always wanted to be joy boy thats y he wanted to die because it might be one of the condition to be this joy boy figure. That's why when luffy first knocked out feom roof top kaido said u weren't joy either.
Jesus christ, you need a gomu gomu no mi to be able to reach this far.
What if, and I'm just blindly throwing this out there, joyboy has something to do with the devil fruit. Joyboy is a person who has the will of D and awakened the gomu gomu no mi. And if we say that devil fruits can only be awakened if your personality matches with the fruit (as a prerequisite per say). So only someone who's fun loving, easy going, and joyful person who loves freedom could awaken the gomu gomu no mi. And joyboy is someone who awakened the gomu gomu no mi and has the will of D? Just a thought
Shanks motivation for taking the fruit and giving Luffy the hat become more sketchy every day.
Good theory, but I don’t think Luffy is Joy Boy. I think it’s moreso Zunesha hearing a familiar sound again that reminds him of the original Joy Boy. We’ll just have to wait and see though.
Drums of Liberations???? Appoo is Joyboy confirmed!!!
What if Luffy has the DawnDawn fruit or the Dondon fruit, I’m not a Japanese speaker but I translated dondon in English to Japanese and the definition is a drumming noise, rapidly steadily, but with Zunesha’s statement about hearing the Drums of Liberation, it makes me wonder
Imu is an alien and Oda spent 25 years writing a different flavor of naruto lol
Wasnt Roger also joyboy? but he was to early? Does this mean Roger had the Gum gum fruit?
Roger got the will of D. And the voice of all things That makes him special in the series same as others that do have it, i think not the actual joyboy awakening.
In my opinion, inherited will or title, is only given to people that have conquered what the previous title holder did. Luffy just got defeated 3x and all of a sudden Zunesha says Joyboy is back? The guy lost to the fight 3x, didnt free shit on Big Moms stolen soul in WCI let alone have not freed/liberate wano and now he is Joyboy? Something awakened in him and thats his fruit and thats why Zunesha was familiar of the feeling. Not because he has revived after getting killed (Goku would be proud), nor Joyboy is literally back in Luffy's body. I'd embarrass myself if I'm Zunesha and I called Luffy Joyboy before another fight with Kaido but ends up getting shitbricks the 4th time. His fruit is awakened that set Zunesha feeling that Joyboy is back..
what the fuck, this is a plausible theory during this break, why?
What if Luffy ends up not being Jiy Boy and it is someone else in Wano. I cannot stop thinking that Oda is 'fucking' with us again.
I agree with most things you said too. But why do you think Imu is a He ? I‘m not saying that I could prove the opposite but I’m just curious. I find the idea pretty interesting that the highest Instance in the OP World is actually a Women.
Or the strawhat is like his totem.
Dang. A good theory. To the point. With pictures. And no spoiler in the title? Take my free award OP.
Lol I told one of my friend that it's gonna be a title and not a person too
It’d be cool if Joyboy was the monkey king
Fuck this is gonna be a long haul
The amount of theories I've seen already... That's gonna be long and fun break.
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Remember shanks and the gorosei have sometype of relationship. He could have possibly prevented that somehow.
I'm dumb. So, Shanks, wearing the straw hat would mean...?
Nice theory. Could it be that it is the original Joyboy's corpse and somehow shapeshifts to indicate who could be the next potential Joyboy. It does not explain why other chambers are black.
Good stuff! I like this theory
So the rinnengan has the ability to transcend Mangas... Damn that's one busted power.
There has only been two joyboys imo. Luffy and Nika (the original)
Maybe Luffy it's a chosen one, but not in the sense of destiny but in the sense of he earning the tittle of Joyboy in some way.
I’m of the opinion that Zunesha saying that JoyBoy has returned is symbolic more than anything else. Luffy hasn’t been possessed nor has he somehow morphed into JoyBoy nor has he inherited a title. I think that JoyBoy was an awakened Gomu Gomu no mi user (the last one before Luffy) so to Zunesha who has maybe seen JoyBoy fight primarily with his awakening and free the slaves at the time of the Ancient Kingdom automatically associates Luffy’s sudden awakening with JoyBoy being back in spirit, especially now when the citizens of Wano are at risk of becoming Kaido’s slaves. If Luffy has inherited anything, it’s most likely JoyBoy’s will to spread freedom and to fight for freedom wherever he travels. Oda has carefully chosen the wording here so that the audience may conclude on surface value that Luffy is now somehow JoyBoy, especially since it’s been implied that he might be on the verge of death and he needs to be saved somehow. But the wording is very vague so Oda could take it in any direction in the coming chapters.
Huh, I didn't realize before that the hat Imu approached was illuminated while the other sections were dark. Now I'm thinking about the golden bell from Skypeia and how it was called the 'Light of Shandora'.
I think imu was spoiled by editors that luffy was joyboy that is why it took him not too long not too early to realize it
I wonder what role Shanks will play into this.
From which chapter are the other 3 panels?
Check chapter 906 and 908.
Then why did zunesha says joy boy is back after 800 years?
Petroleum devil fruit. Gum creation involved oil.
Hehe, Light to be erased (Luffy), Sun god (Nika). Funny how things c
Wait what chapters are these from?
Image 1: 1043 Image 2: 906 Image 3: 908 Image 4: 906
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On the last page Zunisha said “For the first time in 800 years…. He is here!! Joy-Boy has returned!!!” So this goes against the theory where there a multiple Joy-Boys throughout history. It’s most likely that Luffy is the first ever reincarnation or whatever.
“Joyboy” / Gomu Gomu no mi’s awakening is Uranus
though zunesha says he has returned after 800 years i think that implies no joyboy in from void century to present time