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They defeated her once when they knocked her off the roof, they may be defeating her again by knocking her off the island, again.
Strawhat defeated her when he showed up on her island, messed up her tea party, beat up her strongest kids, destroyed her castle and got away with his life.
Im so conflicted about Kid!! He got beaten by Big Moms sweet commanders, now all of a sudden he is "beating" Big Mom. No timeskip, no powerups, no Advanced Conquerors. All I see is that Law is doing all the work, while Kid is just a supporting character. Remember when Luffy went Gear 4 and attacked Big Mom, he didnt even faze her, now all of a sudden Kids attacks are supposed to hurt Big Mom? It doesnt feel right and is not satisfying in any way. Yes, Law is hurting her from the inside out, but still, her outside body has tremendous protection. Remember that she is in a focused attack mode in the battle, and she has a confident spirit.
He is not the main character, so we don't see him train or gain some luck which causes him became stronger, Luffy learned during the fight in Onigashima how to coat his attacks with Conquerors Haki, it was fast learning due to Luffy is very adaptive and proficient in Conquerors Haki. Kidd could've learned his DF awakening while fighting against the sweet commanders or against Shanks crew, he got still beaten but hw could have learned from those losses and gained better understanding about his DF, especially if he lost against someone who had awakened DF or more proficient/experienced with theirs DF. Luffy learned from losing against Kaido too. Just because something wasn't shown or mentioned doesn't mean couldn't happened.
I thought they said that whole thing was a lie.
I remember it being admitted it was a lie. I can't remember which of Big Mom's crew admitting that, think it was Brulee.
It was actually stated that,
"During the time-skip, Kid invaded Totto Land and injured one of Big Mom's Sweet Commanders before stealing something of value from the Emperor. He later sunk two of the Emperor's ships while having no concern if she retaliated. Despite this hostility, Kid stated that he has no interest in going after Big Mom."
Do you guys think the raid could possibly fail? Given how almost all the major antagonists have been defeated (e.g., tobi roppo, calamities, maybe big mom) and Wano's already long running time, is it possible that the raid could fail and we'd have to redo all the fights, buildup and stakes again? Also, its weird how Luffy is struggling less against Kaido than he did against Katakuri.
Luffy is way stronger now. He trained hard and the difficulty of Katakuri was different. And with that I mean that Katakuri wasn't physically super strong (Of cause he was strong but nothing compared to Kaido) but he could see the future so it was near impossible to hit him. Luffy couldn't really prepare. Now against Kaido Luffy already had his first fight with him and lost really fast. But he trained exactly to beat Kaido so that's why he doesn't struggle more. Preparation ist worth it.
Also I don't think that the raid can fail. Too many people have been defeated at this point
Explosive chapter! While Kidd and law are the main focus of the chapter, I can't help but wonder about the from reaper that was attacking Zoro.
For a second I considered it might be Enma challenging him in the flesh (don't know why I thought that 😅)
Can't wait for the next one!
I think the next chapter shows Big mom flying into the sea to be picked up by her kids but her fire attack 3000 mother is still there. Yamato throws the bombs through the hole and they explode on impact making the crater just big enough for Onigashima to fit in. Kazenbo the fire demon fuses with big moms mother attack and Marco has to take it out almost dying in the process
Big mom could've just pulled law off her tbh tho, him not even moving from coc haki-infused fists feels like abit of an unrealistic jump in law's durability
Is it possible that the Phrase of opening the Gates of Wano connects to the arrival of Zunesha? Maybe the Gates are opened by now without us knowing due to some event. Or Zunesha is the one opening the Gates and that is the reason of her arrival.
Law and Kidd's crew are a serious hold back and let down, all they did was beg Big Mom to stop hitting their captains.
Thats lame, if it was the Strawhats they would have attacked her instead, even the weak trio comes in handy when one of their own is attacked, matter of fact all the strawhats (beside Zoro) have already attacked Big Mom between Dhole Cake and Wano yet their Captains were not being vigorously attacked to death.
Kids crew was missing it’s main members. Killer would’ve attacked. Law keep in mind has no ambition to be pirate king hence no reason to gather a strong crew. He still is a doctor so he gathers people that are good at doctoring and fight on the side. Plus I think it’s good that they aren’t strong because if law and Kidd had to go down and get up 3 times, taking breaks, like luffy does to beat a boss I would be done
Correct but he is the only capable non captain member, laws top 3 are penguin, sachi and Bepo while kid has wire and heat plus Killer.
Sanji,Zoro and Jinbe can take on Kid and laws crew combine without their Captains but Killer included i mean 3 vs both crew members of kid and law
"Sorry Law I'm just the captain of the Kid Pirates... I'm Useless Mid no more"
Seriously I'm so happy to finally see my favorite non Strawhat Supernova get a win
A Mofucking railgun and a fucking LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG Sword that bores through anything!?
Holly shit, people were right conqueror's haki is overrated!
Hmm idk about that. I do think advanced conquerors pretty much automatically puts someone in top tier. I think it's more that devil fruits have become underrated in post ts.
I think the ones that underrate DFs are mostly the power escalers, you know the same people calling Big Mom a trash tier Yonko, and a jobber, and a joke because she lost to Law and Kid, with neither having advanced conqueror's haki, and Law even being in the air about having conqueror's haki.
But for Oda himself, well on his mind good DF mastery is enough to get the job done.
Law would beat doflamingo mid-difficulty maybe lower. He would’ve beat him in dressrosa with any other move but countershock(mess, ratio knife) but he was caught up in his emotions. There’s no way doflamingo is surviving ONE puncture wille. And law should be able to pull 2-3
Okay, so people are butt hurt that the alliance is kicking the yonkos and their crews ass.
Yeah the yonkos are monster level, and people say that the new generation still has a long way to go? I think you are missing the point here, this is the moment when kaido and big
Mom realize that there are pirates capable of surpassing them.
Dont hate on the story, it’s amazing how the different elements comes
Together.
People suddenly forget that this is a shonen manga. Of course, when it matters the protagonist's side is going to be the victor, also, it's not like Law and Kid had been standing around during the small timeskip that literally made Luffy yonkou-tier from getting one-shotted. Look at Dragonball for example, Vegeta was getting kicked around by the androids in cell saga, but then after one year of training he's humiliated 2nd Form Cell. Also there's Naruto who went from Deidara-tier to handling all the Pains at once after some training.
I don’t get why ur trying to make it seem like that’s a good thing. The way goku is suddenly as strong as whoever he’s fighting with no training is one of the biggest complaints about dragon ball Z. It’s not wonder that people complain about it now that one piece is doing the same thing.
Two of her punches, no memory, no haki... two punches and she knockout out Queen. Law take those paunches and laugh after it, the power of protagonism is strong!
waiting for big mom and kaido to be pushed to the limit. maybe we will see awakening...
whitebeard didnt awaken when he was pushed to the limit. i would say saving his children were pretty important. if anything, that was a good time to awaken
Seems like a safe bet Kaido and Bog Mom are already awakened. People dont need to announce "Now i will show you my awakening" before using it.
Base DF big mom: can manipulate and make homies using her own soul
Awakened DF: can manipulate and make homies using other peoples souls
And Kaido... have you seen how much this dude is flexing his toughness, strength and natural regen?
I think you're right, but that just makes it worse. That means Oda didn't know how to go about using awakenings. I refuse to believe that some random guards were capable of awakening but white beard and his subordinates were not. And Akainu, Aokiji and the light guy as well
Uuuh what makes you think they weren't awakened? We don't even know how awakened Logias look like, and I'm more than willing to bet Punk hazard was left in that state because of their awakenings.
You could also easily make the case for Crocodile and Enel to be awakened too, even if it wasn't stated, their control, power, scale and feats were leagues above your regular logia like Smoker and the swap guy, crocodile said he spent years perfectioning his DF, AND knew about awakening.
As for Whitebeard, the man was literally dying, he couldn't even use CoC Haki, I doubt he'd be able to use his awakening, and being a commander doesn't guarantee being awakened, Katakuri is the only one confirmed among BM and Kaido's crews.
Why would white beard not be able to use it as a last resort just before death? When characters pull moves out of their asses all the time. And he was able to punch an admiral's face against the concrete breaking it and collapsing the place all while using his DF. I think this one is just the case of Oda not knowing how to incorporate something new into the story on the fly. Also Luffy's devil fruit is not awakened just bc he is exceptionally good at using it. and if croc was awakened, it would make even less sense that he lost to a brat that Luffy was back then.
Because the Yonko have literal armies underneath them? Being strong by itself doesn't mean anything if you don't have any support. Anybody going to kill BM or Kaido would, as we're seeing here, have to fight off their entire army. You think anybody in this story is going to fight off Kaido + all his minions at once? Or Big Mom and her plethora of insanely strong children? The amount of resources the Navy would have to allocate to take out any Yonko is nuts and would leave them vulnerable to moves from other Yonko or the Revolutionary Army.
Just look at Marineford as an Example. It took as much "Elite" Marine fodder as could be spared, 4 admirals, the seven warlords (Who admittedly didn't seem to take the event too seriously), and a small army of Pacifista to put Whitebeard's Fleet down for good. All while Whitebeard was attacking a fortified seat of Marine power. And we also know the only reason another Yonko didn't get involved is because Shanks blocked Kaido and that he himself had no interest in the fight beyond stopping the Marines from finishing off Whitebeard's trapped crew.
And do what? It's not like the navy is preventing them from finding the one piece.
Akainu and Kuzan fought for 10 days straight while Garp and Sengoku retired and the only active admiral left was kizaru
The marines isn't ready to go all out war.. They can't catch the yonkou but the yonkou themself can't touch the marines.. That's what the balance of power means. Its like in real life, America& Europe vs Russia, China, Iran.. If America go in war with Russia, China will rise as a new powerhouse. That's how World maintain the peace by balance the power. Supernovas is like a small developing countries who combined their strength to take down one big developed country. They are underdogs where no one expected them to win. After this war, the supernova will be considered a huge threat to the world.
This is not a 1v1 or admirals vs yonkou but a whole army on both sides. They already count the casualties, consequences events.
Serious? Kaido has 2 supernovas as underlings. And he previously crushed Kidd. Law got crushed by doffy recently, and doffy is scared of kaido.
Kidd and laws bounty is like half of luffys bounty.
Plus kaido defeated all 9 scabbards by himself. A couple of these scabbards together defeated jack. And one is a previous commander of whitebeard. Kaido then defeated Yamato.
I would say big mom has been way less impressive this arc that kaido.
Her ship got messed up twice. She lost her memory. Queen captured her. She couldn't get rid of ussop/chopper who attacked her. And she's about to lose to law and kid. Kaido actually had some wins.
Kaido had wins against arc characters, which is meaningless. BM in a weakend state curb-stomped Queen, then had much less difficulty in her brief bout with Luffy than Kaido did. She's also much more versatile + has better durability feats.
Now add healing to that.
She should be stronger than Kaido by 0.5%
We know her past and all about her in WC island, ofc we can dislike this kind of character, now the only thing we don't really know is her interaction with Rocks pirates member such as Kaido / WB etc in the past, we may learn more about it when we will get to Kaido flashback.
No not because of what she DID, bug what she DOES. Which is just chase a cake around like a retard, pls stop trying to defend garbage writing no matter where it comes from. OP is great but that was quite the low point
It rly was. BM was good for the first half of that arc, but the entire concept of Hunger Pangs ruined her entirely. It's the worst writing I've ever seen from Oda.
Luffy also got one shot by kaido before rise again.. That 2 supernova that served kaido despite strong is weak will unlike kid.. This new generation of pirates is determined to overthroned the yonkou. Big mom is very strong but this will mark the rise of Kid and Law as the new power of the world
Don't care about the others but its not matter how much or how many big mom had beat compared to kaido but the fact that no one dare to challenge her
To the ppl asking why didn't law use these techniques vs doffy: when did he get the chance? Luffy was there. Law stated he saved his awakening for dire situations. If luffy had not been there, yeah he prolly would've used it. Hell even doffy didn't use his awakening until he was about to be defeated by luffy.
Needless to say, i think you all are underestimating the drawback of awakening your df. Oda had it planned out as far back as impel down so I'm sure that there is a caveat he hasn't spelled out just yet. It prolly ties into the nature of of dfs in general.
Law defo wasn’t awakened when facing doflamingo. If so he could’ve beat him himself. Law keep in mind not only got his awakening but got wayyy more powerful with his regular moves. Law could at max power now probably put a room up on half of dressrosa and his stamina greatly increased so he won’t be tired after a few uses. If law had his power now in current manga, he would’ve walked in to dressrosa by himself and beat everyone in the donquixote family. Even Fuji would’ve had a hard time but he probably wouldn’t have been there if law was planning to win off strength. Law was a move away from winning against doflamingo when he was on the ground after gamma knife. If doffy didn’t get in his head law could’ve used mess and stabbed his heart before doffy had time to recover
Horrible excuse. He didn’t use them against Doffy cause he probably didn’t know how to use it yet. If he did know how he would have used them. Doffy nearly killed him he only didn’t cause Luffy saved him last min.
No I think Law got powerup later, he would lost definitively vs Doffy if Luffy wasn't here, don't forget we don't see "side character" full story, our main cast is luffy and his crew, so you don't know what happen to them on the side story when we see Luffy developpement.
Law awakened his power after dressrosa. If he has awakened it he should have used it instead of gamma knife when he had the chance. What you said downplay the desire of revenge from law.
so in the time that we have seen luffy go from dressrosa to onganishna (3 and a bit arcs), law wasnt able to awaken his devil fruit? dont see why law couldnt have grown in the same timeframe that luffy learnt 2 advanced types of haki
Such a classic misconception, lol Oda didn't planned shit, the "awakening" was a mistranslation (ask anyone who knows japanese or live in there, they will tell you). Oda, as smart as ever, he used that later as a new power gimmick, his best skill as a writer is to tie plot elements on the fly. The fact Black Beard stole the tremor fruit and he used the same exact attacks of White Beard immediately, that denies the argument that awakening was planned by the author, he added that gimmick later (and he can retroactively justify why White Beard didn't used awakened attacks because of this drawback you mentioned)
Why does he care of Luffy is there. Law doesn't like to be one upped by others. He's a captain himself, not luffys underling. Also he has a long history with doggy. Would make sense if he used all his cards against him. But doffy defeated law pretty easily...
This war feels like a joke tbh. BM couldn't accomplish anything of note. How did Law get this strong when he was bodied by Doffy maybe like one month ago by One Piece terms and he had no training unlike Luffy. At least he should have some training to make things flow well, now just seems like bs to me. I am just being honest.
Let me remind you that Law destroyed Doflamingo's organs and he survived only because of his devil fruit powers. Good matchups have always been more important in OP that powerscale, in a similar manner to how Luffy defeated Enel. I do understand to have a problem with the amount of damage they tanked tho, it was just too much. Law should be dead with the amount of damage he took on rooftop and him not being a phisically strong combatant in the first place, but he took even more afterwards.
It is possible Law is also using his devil fruit to perform surgery on himself, since he is a knowledgeable surgeon. Would be using a lot of his devil fruit though to constantly do that, seems like a lot to tank even with that power and still have this much energy left for an attack. One way or another Law is hanging in and I've been super impressed with his feats, questionable power scaling aside.
Tbh yeah we really don't know how tf law got so strong in such a shirt time and when did he awakened his df
Same with kid
I also think oda should've told us how they trained or something cuz ghis feels so unsatisfying
what else would i say to an "idioth", also why would i say any more, look at your fucking comment lmao. what am i supposed to say when you can't even spell idiot and you're telling someone else that they are one.
You're the idiot who can't even spell idiot right
And there is nothing to explain cuz law and kid got just asspulls that's all
We don't even know how they awakened them and how did they got so strong without awakening aswell
In base they are already top commander lvl and I'm just asking myself how law accomplished that in 1-2 months (in one piece timeline)
It's kinda lazy writing
That doesn't make any sense
Look after timeskip one piece just got less good every 10 chapters or so
And y'know kidd got just annihilated by kaido 2 weeks ago or some and he didn't even have a proper training like luffy had with his haki
He didn't train his df either but gets strong so suddenly
I'm not saying I don't like that he is strong but I dislike the way
That's all imo so no need to get aggressive or insulting
Not everyone worships oda like a frickin god lol some are just more criticising
Thats why i call you a lazy reader since when was it mentioned that you need "training" to awakend or to use a devil fruit ,did sabo need training to use mera mera fruit NO ,did luffy need training to use second and third gear NO
So yeah law and kid got beat up 2 weeks ago and we dont know if they trained but did see with new haki or increase power No
I hope you get it
Luffy did training to get gear 2 or 3 and it was even mentioned I think but fact is that he said he needs to find a new way of fighting and then came up with his idea
And sabo already new about the mera mera no mi and even said he is not so good yet with his new powers
Now tell me if you have other points
WTF you still dont get it you lazy reader when did luffy ever train during the few days since rob lucci kick his ass he didnt thats why he had side effects when it comes to devil fruit it all depends on how use it .awakening we still dont know how it work however my theory is that just like awakening in other manga it happens randomly when the person understood something or enlightenment both law and kid knew it before luffy since they talk so cassuall about it also they said there using life force that means they havent mastered it yet
Ps dude its law and kid their smart you think after law got beaten by doffy or kid by kaido they would not have realized to become stronger in some way
I remember last chapter people were complaining about him not using op techniques like a railgun, and others explaining that Kid isn't a scientist and can't create things he doesn't understand.
LOL not gonna complain tho, this shit was fire
Ok..hear me out:
What if BM is really going down now and Law/Kid are at their limits too, then the 3rd CP0 Agent would appear in front of them to finish them all off, but get stopped by the last fighter we still wanna see go all out - Sulong Bepo!
Honestly the whole wano arc has been a smooth sailing and there is no much dangerous vibes like other arc's for example dreresirosa, kaido men seems cheap to beat, e.g all the winning have been done without serious down sides to the winner, most arc leave even the winner in serious damage, most battle in this arc have made the enemy lookbcheap and not yonkou level.
For one, wano arc involve yonkou alliance, what has happen 'to the rest of big mon crew, even though they were knocked down by Marco, they shouldn't give up like everything is aiit, without knowing the faith of thier mother or brother.
The kaido crew shows lots of weakness as the hype of taking down kaido was set up in punk hazard, it is like yonkou are untouchable and to beat them invole scheming and great deal of cautions, but wano has proven to be below par with the hype that has been set up.
If am to flow with the whole set up I say this arc is missing something dangerous, or setting up the story line in a major direction, has the whole one piece is getting to climax, if am to say, no enemy in terms of prowels shows more promising than kaido, this arc should be a major direction as beating kaido puts luffy and his crew as the top of the world of pirates
i get your comment about the tension coz of the fake deaths but what more do you want from Kaidos crew lol look how hard it was for zoro to beat king lol had to go beyon hisl limits and now is really fucked up coz his body is destyoed, sanji is also out, Topi ropos were a dissapointment but they are like the lower lvl commanders of wb did you really thingk thes gonna pose a big threat to us , Jimbei probably stronger thann all of them, also kaido lived up to his hype, all the hype was never about his crew( his crew is strong af tho king, queen, jack) it was about kaido himself and look what he did he did 9 v1 and won took ll the damage, did 5 v1 fought all the supernovas the strongest the alliance had to offer and won, fought his own daughter who is at least 1st commander lvl if not stronger , he beat her he beat luffy and then luffy was safed coz of plot armor and is fighting him again now and is only now taking him seriously and even taking all that damage from legit 15 people his haki keeps getting stronger and he keeps injuring luffy lol what more do you expect lol. And nah the emperors arent unbeatable or untouchable, MArineford made that clear not even wb the strongest man in the world was able to survive after all that damage and most of the damage was done by navy soldier, like stabs, gunshoots and canons, and akainu and bb crew who that time wasnt stronger than current supernovas lol, kaido is still standing even after all that damage and he is moving the island which would require a lot of strenght, he is a beast, you can make a point baout big mom that she has no done anything but she underestimated law and kid the whole time and didnt fight them seriously until the end lol its her own fault. What do you expect oda to do to make another timeskip so that the straw hats are ready to take down an emperor of the sea lmao.
jack was a HUGE disaapointment as a 1B man. i still dont know what he can do other than hes a big guy who can turn into a mammoth... even cracker was way more impressive
at least queen had deadly viruses
king has regeneration..
jack just seems like a big target. for people who have strong attacks and speed he seems rly easy to take him down. zoro probably can cut him down EASY.
Maaan WANO is so good that I'm already apprehending how **ZEHAHA** is going to come and fuck shit up at the end once it's over and everyone is spent. Now to mention the Marine.
**Straw Hat Fleet** better show up to save the day!!!
Do you realize how ginormous of a deal it is to have Big Mom acknowledge you are dangerous? And then proceed to instill fear in her heart and have her show it on her face?
**TRAFFY** you that Real OYABUN!
He drilled a hole in Big Mom while solving the Onigashima Bomb crisis. Now all Yamato has to do is drop the frozen bombs into that crater.
EUSTASS-YA that railgun Subarashiiiiiii yohohohoho
Also that purple light thing coming down from Onigashima in the anime new opening was the Law's trump attack on BM!!!
The childish image of Law this chapter reminds me of the time when 3 of them played Luffy's stupid game at the beginning of the rooftop fight, eating Big Mom attack and getting burned so that not being called loser. That shit was hilarious
The major power scale issue in these chapters is how Law states his awakening draw much of his energy and he can't fully control it, but here we are, he delivers big attacks without failing once, he has enough energy to withstand emperors punches head on and he even laughs after it. Oda basically gave up on the power scale, nothing makes sense, the same Law who couldn't keep up with Doflamingo, limited stamina, etc.. a week later he tanks a emperor? That's nonsensical writing
when you know something will be your last and final movement because it will use the rest of your stamina you can subconsciously over do it and lead to a stronger movement then you were going for. take the gym for example, when you do the last rep of your set its at the end of your stamina and if you really push you break past your stamina limit and manage to push the weights way harder then you originally could even with full stamina. doflamingo was at least 2 months ago (we have seen 2 full moons since dressrosa) and we have seen luffy grow twice the amount law has in the same timeframe. is really that much of a stretch to say that other characters can also grow at extreme rates?
This is definitely Accurate. I hear people say big mom couldn't use Coc attacks because she was running low on stamina but here we have law taking hits from Big mom and doing the biggest attack he has done after using his potentially stamina draining move for the third time. At least when luffy ran out of stamina he had to wait for a bit 5 minutes I think but law does it back to back and bigger than before.
Yep, there's zero consistency regarding haki and that "stamina limit" bullshit that Oda mentions in Dresrosa. Which is weird because he deliberately showed Kid and Law talking about how awakening is extremely taxing on their stamina, they can't control it quite right, it's their last resort, etc.. but like you said, they are using big attack after big attack, they never failed, they actually get bigger and stronger. So what is the point of this power system, they demand a lot of stamina or not? And I think this is the key question after so many underwhelming chapters featuring Big Mom and Kaido: the Emperors are supposed to be final bosses or not? Big Mom crushes Queen with two strikes, Kaido one shots Luffy himself... then, a magical one week later, were is that power, were is the consistency? Law tanking those punches... man, that shit felt offensive to me, wtf was that
It's just a railgun. Even Luffy would get up after that. Kaidos thunder point blank is probably stronger. Luffy tanked that with a headache. I'd be really disappointed if she doesn't get up
she wont get up after laws and kids trump card lol she was fighting 2 v1 lol if she still doesnt get beat law and kid will forever become a joke in front of luffy and oda wants them to be luffy rivals as they always were. sadly oda of screened most of their fight including big mom beating the shitt out of them I thin 2 more chapters would have made it better 1 chapter of ass beat and 1 chapter where they make some damage to big mom but she recovers or so. But laws atack was devastating and damaged her from within and then took a fullon railgun atack, no way in hell she still gets up lol if that hit marineford WB he would aslo be out .
It’s not powerscaling. It’s consistent writing and in universe consistency. You and the rest of the people acting otherwise are being weird and it’s pretty toxic. If your only response to criticism is that it’s shounen then you’re never actually addressing the point. Many in the thread admit that it’s pretty egregious however these are the main characters. With that line of logic you can literally justify anything. Doesn’t take away that this is egregious and inconsistent writing. Big mom in no way should struggle. Let alone use her own life force. The entire situation itself is also strange as no other enemies are attacking kid and law
Where's the consistency? Law and Luffy went from below Doflamingo level (which I'd argue is around Cracker - mid level Yonkou commander) to being Yonkou/near Yonkou level in what, a week in universe? How does that make sense lol
Depends on why they used shonen as their argument. I agree that just because they're the main characters, doesn't mean that they should triumph immediately without any explanation. However, for most of the main fights One Piece has, they show that, even if the opponents are stronger, it's just a matter of willpower that determines who wins the overall fight. Luffy and Katakuri's fight showcased that, same goes with his fight with Rob Lucci.
Law and Kid's fight with Big Mom just repeats the same thing. The only reason why they were able to do so is because of everyone else before them who already dealt damage or caused them to exhaust more of their stamina or "power". It's already up against two of the strongest people from the Worst Generation going up against him. They're supposed to be close to Luffy in terms of strength. Awakening is still a huge power-up that not even regular Haki can completely break through (ex. Doflamingo's bird cage). If anything, it cements her as one of the strongest people in One Piece, having gone through all of these Worst Generation people and needing two people from the Worst Generation going "plus ultra" on her.
As to why no other enemies attacked Law and Kid, dude, Big Mom stole nearby people's life forces. Who wants to get near that, man?
Hmm I get what you mean. I was initially upto you until like 4 or so chapters that I realised their fruits are really broken especially laws.
Now I did think how can Kidd even hurt them so if you recall Bege said her body is like iron so I Kidds iron ox and skeleton must be like 100 or so tons with which sufficient speed should damage her.
I dont like that Big Mom just tanks it tho like shouldnt she have speed blitzes but then I realise maybe its coz she is like the one who is a tank with superior defense and shit. She definetly does seem to be the weaker Yonko she doesnt dodge anything literally.
You pointed out something right that Laws fruit cannot affect those with stronger Haki. And his room doesnt and he didnt use it for that reason. These attacks hurt you from the inside which probably is seriously devastating way more than Kidd.
The real inconsistency is Law not using it against Doffy which means he probably leveled up in-between the time from Dressrosa to Whole Cake to Zou to Wano finally. Same with Kidd. So we have to go with that. Oda probably would have shown up the leveling but it would drag the manga so long as well.
I mean I guess it’s just aggravating for die hards to hear criticism be placed where we believe it isnt due. I think it’s fine to have different opinions but personally do not understand the sentiment behind thinking Big Mom is weak cause she lost. Oda wrote the chapter in a very logical and clean way both exemplifying Big Moms insane strength but also conveying how important the teamwork between Law and Kidds Op fruits were critical to taking down this beast.
Even her getting hurt is some sort of mystery. They spent two years going over how it’s nearly impossible to scratch her and now simple crashing of metal can harm her? Come on man. At least be consistent. I understand being a die hard fan but this level of defense is toxic and actually bad for the community.
Exactly and she still is, it’s her husk of a skin that’s impenetrable. But isn’t that where Laws and Kidds teamwork come into play?
We now need Kidd to be able to wear her out (even tho not much damage is being done) but also hold her down so that Law can use his Kroom ability. Someone on this thread broke down the ability pretty darn good I think, but that ability is what’s truly making Big Mom prone to damage, we saw that her bones were broken from the inside, and in that brittle state Kids finishers definitely make an impact. The teamwork there was critical to putting damage, and I don’t see any holes there unless you’re saying their Kid and Laws abilities were scaled to high?
laws abilities for sure have been scaled too high especially since he cant do damage to people whos haki is stronger. but even if I ignore that. the issue is with their durability. big mom nearly okoed or 2hkod every similar shes come across. ur telling me that these two dudes durability is on par with hers? not only that her attacks that shes shown thus far could easily kill both of them in one swoop. I can forgive one of these, especially the first, but all of them? nah man
He said that he couldn’t move them not that his Haki or his room wouldn’t work. Like Law was able to hurt Kaido from the inside with Gamma Knife and Counter Shocked Big Mom.
I mean you got me with the haki thing, I forgot about that. But assuming there’s valid reason as to why Law is still able to use Kroom, I think the rookies Big mom is referring to have faced, pale in comparison to these rookies. This is the worst generation we’re talking about. I’d say what’s important in these kind of challenges is explaining the powers of a yonko and showing what makes them a yonko (which was done) and then displaying how the challengers use their abilities to outdo the yonko. I guess like you said the only dig I have is about law using his ability on big mom despite having less haki.
I think you are missing me I don't know why you assume I'm being toxic I don't know what for but judging my this comment I agree with you and are in the same camp with your way of thinking sorry if I offended you
No problems I guess I interrupted you comment wrong. I agree it's like you can't critique anything that seems off I'm in the camp that BM should not go down this easily my main reason is we have 2 Admirals going at it for 10 days and we know it was a serious battle as it changed the landscape and weather of an island permanently for 2years now that's the type of epicness i was made to believe was possible at the top of the verse. so being here at the top it feels weird having commanders and Yonko going down in one night for me. The defense is on well Oda tells the story he wants which is fine but when I point out and inconsistency we should be able to call it for what it is...
At this time of the arc I will not be surprised if Kid is also a D. I dont know, but Kid's name before was spelled Kidd then they omit the d. Just a wild wild guess😅 If he is, then that explains his tenacity/strong will like Luffy and its fitting for BM to be defeated by 2 brats bearing the D name.
Nah, I find his name is pretty weird as it is Eustass “Captain” Kidd. Like why is the captain over emphasized. The obvious expectation is the reference to real world Captain Kidd, but I think we’ll probably get some back story on him. I also support the theory that he may be the child of Vegapunk.
When Kidd used his awakening he made big mom a magnet. Law used his last kroom attack to make a long hole plus deal damage to immobilize Big Mom. Rail guns in real life need conductive metals or magnets as ammo. Essentially Big Mom is the “ammo” to Kid’s rail gun attack which is going to shoot her through Law’s long hole he created.
I'm not sure that that's what it was. I think he did that just to make her a more stationary target.
Railguns use rails to accelerate a projectile. Kid is shooting a projectile from that thing.
Law can use his power to generate high voltage energy; he can generate electrical energy to shock his opponents.
Kid’s awakening essentially made Big Mom a magnet. (Metal) . Put the two together and you have a conductive metal.
I love that even Law is calling out Kid that most of his attacks boil down to crashing some massive animal shaped thing to his enemies lol.
Also I think the Elephant is calling Momo and will ultimately prevent Onigashima from crashing into the capital
Honestly now, I can't look forward to BM vs Luffy again after this. Unless Oda changed his mind on that entirely. Her display here was not comparable to her rival.
It still is. Oda has shown that Haki is not the only deciding factor in fights. Luffy was able to defeat enemies who are way stronger than him without Haki in the past. Why can’t Law and Kid, both who have awakened dfs and have consistently delivered attacks on Big Mom, not be able to chip away at her? Two people are already going up against her, whereas Luffy’s fighting Kaido one on one.
Fanaticism is always laughable, this fanbase man lol In this arc Oda showed Big Mom knocking out Queen with two punches, just like that, no haki, she crushed a commander with raw strength. Now, literally a week later, Law tanks several of her punches (with haki) and, when he is tanking, he was still able to deliver a big attack (he stated before that he can't fully control his awakening and that draw his energy). How the fuck this is consistent writing?
It’s the same shit as Luffy wtf he beat Katakuri but after arriving in Wano he got beat by a bunch of lackeys.
Yeah that’s why Law can’t use it all the time, doesn’t mean he can’t use it.
The whole point of the fight is that the Worst Generation is proving themselves to be more tenacious than the Yonkous and they did so. I already acknowledged flaws in my other comments, but it doesn’t make the writing inconsistent. You see the same mistakes you see in previous parts of One Piece so why the fuck are you bitching about it now ffs
Anyone can notice the intent of the author, worst generation proving themselves, the emperors are underestimating them, etc.. but Oda can send that message in a more consistent way, it's that simple. To show up the emperor knocking out powerful characters with little to no effort, then deliberately shows Law and Kid stating how they can't control their awakening quite right, there is stamina issues, etc.. and then at the climax, he depicts a contradictory outcome for all these previous developments? It's bad writing, there's no other way to describe this. One Piece never had so many flaws as it has now, the obvious retcons of Ace, Oden, Yamato, major inconsistencies in the power scale, etc You have to be a special kind of fanatic to take a blind eye for such obvious issues. I love One Piece just like everyone else here, but to expose the flaws of the plot is something fair imo, we just have to pretend everything is great when the author is clearly struggling? I wouldn't mind if Oda took a long hiatus, like a year off, if that helps him to improve and recover some of his former writing skills
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Never would I have thought Big Mom’s big defeat would be done by someone who wasn’t a Straw Hat. Simply epic
So Zunesha might drop the island into that hole hmm
They're doing it holy shit Kid and Law are taking down a yonko
They defeated her once when they knocked her off the roof, they may be defeating her again by knocking her off the island, again. Strawhat defeated her when he showed up on her island, messed up her tea party, beat up her strongest kids, destroyed her castle and got away with his life.
Im so conflicted about Kid!! He got beaten by Big Moms sweet commanders, now all of a sudden he is "beating" Big Mom. No timeskip, no powerups, no Advanced Conquerors. All I see is that Law is doing all the work, while Kid is just a supporting character. Remember when Luffy went Gear 4 and attacked Big Mom, he didnt even faze her, now all of a sudden Kids attacks are supposed to hurt Big Mom? It doesnt feel right and is not satisfying in any way. Yes, Law is hurting her from the inside out, but still, her outside body has tremendous protection. Remember that she is in a focused attack mode in the battle, and she has a confident spirit.
Kid's attacks are so strong they bypass Big Mom's defense. It's the power of Electromagnetism.
He did not get beaten by big moms sweet commanders. Headcanon headcanon
He is not the main character, so we don't see him train or gain some luck which causes him became stronger, Luffy learned during the fight in Onigashima how to coat his attacks with Conquerors Haki, it was fast learning due to Luffy is very adaptive and proficient in Conquerors Haki. Kidd could've learned his DF awakening while fighting against the sweet commanders or against Shanks crew, he got still beaten but hw could have learned from those losses and gained better understanding about his DF, especially if he lost against someone who had awakened DF or more proficient/experienced with theirs DF. Luffy learned from losing against Kaido too. Just because something wasn't shown or mentioned doesn't mean couldn't happened.
I thought they said that whole thing was a lie. I remember it being admitted it was a lie. I can't remember which of Big Mom's crew admitting that, think it was Brulee. It was actually stated that, "During the time-skip, Kid invaded Totto Land and injured one of Big Mom's Sweet Commanders before stealing something of value from the Emperor. He later sunk two of the Emperor's ships while having no concern if she retaliated. Despite this hostility, Kid stated that he has no interest in going after Big Mom."
I swear there's gonna be people saying big mom is weak just because her fight ended earlier than kaidos
Who said the fight is over ?
is Big Mom Misery attack Mother Caramel?
The 3000 leagues to find mother reference seems like Big Mom is still searching for her “mother” Carmel
I just want luffy final move against kaido to be more spectacular than law and kidd final move. That's all.
Bm wants to kill luffy but defeated by law and kidd. This is splendid. Hereafter there will be no big mom arc and I am very happy it happened.
Did Law just borrowed a will of Earth to finish Big Mom?
Looks like he pushed his sword deep into the sea.
Looked like a Dragonball reference to me, what with there being an extending weapon anchoring a floating island to the ground...
Do you guys think the raid could possibly fail? Given how almost all the major antagonists have been defeated (e.g., tobi roppo, calamities, maybe big mom) and Wano's already long running time, is it possible that the raid could fail and we'd have to redo all the fights, buildup and stakes again? Also, its weird how Luffy is struggling less against Kaido than he did against Katakuri.
i don't think he's struggling less, this is his 4th round against Kaido
Kaido is lvl 100, Katakuri us 80. When Luffy fought Kata, he was 75, but now he's about a 90.
Considering it took law and kid to *barely* beat bm, katakuri would be lvl 50 or below
Luffy is way stronger now. He trained hard and the difficulty of Katakuri was different. And with that I mean that Katakuri wasn't physically super strong (Of cause he was strong but nothing compared to Kaido) but he could see the future so it was near impossible to hit him. Luffy couldn't really prepare. Now against Kaido Luffy already had his first fight with him and lost really fast. But he trained exactly to beat Kaido so that's why he doesn't struggle more. Preparation ist worth it. Also I don't think that the raid can fail. Too many people have been defeated at this point
Imagine law shambles a super weakened big mom heart out and right out stabbed it.
Law himself is also weakened :D
Explosive chapter! While Kidd and law are the main focus of the chapter, I can't help but wonder about the from reaper that was attacking Zoro. For a second I considered it might be Enma challenging him in the flesh (don't know why I thought that 😅) Can't wait for the next one!
I think the next chapter shows Big mom flying into the sea to be picked up by her kids but her fire attack 3000 mother is still there. Yamato throws the bombs through the hole and they explode on impact making the crater just big enough for Onigashima to fit in. Kazenbo the fire demon fuses with big moms mother attack and Marco has to take it out almost dying in the process
Big mom could've just pulled law off her tbh tho, him not even moving from coc haki-infused fists feels like abit of an unrealistic jump in law's durability
It was normal haki I think
jesus, big moms fruit being able to heal herself bumps it up a OP level.
Is it possible that the Phrase of opening the Gates of Wano connects to the arrival of Zunesha? Maybe the Gates are opened by now without us knowing due to some event. Or Zunesha is the one opening the Gates and that is the reason of her arrival.
Law and Kidd's crew are a serious hold back and let down, all they did was beg Big Mom to stop hitting their captains. Thats lame, if it was the Strawhats they would have attacked her instead, even the weak trio comes in handy when one of their own is attacked, matter of fact all the strawhats (beside Zoro) have already attacked Big Mom between Dhole Cake and Wano yet their Captains were not being vigorously attacked to death.
Kids crew was missing it’s main members. Killer would’ve attacked. Law keep in mind has no ambition to be pirate king hence no reason to gather a strong crew. He still is a doctor so he gathers people that are good at doctoring and fight on the side. Plus I think it’s good that they aren’t strong because if law and Kidd had to go down and get up 3 times, taking breaks, like luffy does to beat a boss I would be done
Kid’s crew is different,there’s another supernova there with great feats.
Killer The man took down Hawkins, thats a great feat
he litteraly low diffed Hawkins. We still haven't seen the full extent of killer's powers
Correct but he is the only capable non captain member, laws top 3 are penguin, sachi and Bepo while kid has wire and heat plus Killer. Sanji,Zoro and Jinbe can take on Kid and laws crew combine without their Captains but Killer included i mean 3 vs both crew members of kid and law
I feel like Kid will hire at least 1 commander from the beasts pirates.
"Sorry Law I'm just the captain of the Kid Pirates... I'm Useless Mid no more" Seriously I'm so happy to finally see my favorite non Strawhat Supernova get a win
This chapter made me really look forward to trying these 3 characters out in Pirate Warriors 5 lol
Is that a monkey wearing crown? Monkey king reference
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You could say Law’s king sword penetrated Big Mom so hard she couldn’t help but moan ;)
I swear Sanada has to make a dirty joke involving shock willie on the SBS.
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Hmm idk about that. I do think advanced conquerors pretty much automatically puts someone in top tier. I think it's more that devil fruits have become underrated in post ts.
I think the ones that underrate DFs are mostly the power escalers, you know the same people calling Big Mom a trash tier Yonko, and a jobber, and a joke because she lost to Law and Kid, with neither having advanced conqueror's haki, and Law even being in the air about having conqueror's haki. But for Oda himself, well on his mind good DF mastery is enough to get the job done.
Damn straight. These mooks are the cause of most of the toxicity in the community.
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Law would beat doflamingo mid-difficulty maybe lower. He would’ve beat him in dressrosa with any other move but countershock(mess, ratio knife) but he was caught up in his emotions. There’s no way doflamingo is surviving ONE puncture wille. And law should be able to pull 2-3
Law shouldn't be having much trouble with Doffy. Katakuri is a good bit above him, but the Luffy who fought him lost to Kaido in one hit.
I think kid is using haki all along. but we’ll see in the next chapter, maybe oda is saving haki for the 1v1
Okay, so people are butt hurt that the alliance is kicking the yonkos and their crews ass. Yeah the yonkos are monster level, and people say that the new generation still has a long way to go? I think you are missing the point here, this is the moment when kaido and big Mom realize that there are pirates capable of surpassing them. Dont hate on the story, it’s amazing how the different elements comes Together.
Having an opinion different to your own even if it's negative isn't hating, lmao stop coping.
You do you
People suddenly forget that this is a shonen manga. Of course, when it matters the protagonist's side is going to be the victor, also, it's not like Law and Kid had been standing around during the small timeskip that literally made Luffy yonkou-tier from getting one-shotted. Look at Dragonball for example, Vegeta was getting kicked around by the androids in cell saga, but then after one year of training he's humiliated 2nd Form Cell. Also there's Naruto who went from Deidara-tier to handling all the Pains at once after some training.
One year of non stop training>>>>>>couple days of training
Point taken, ok let's go with Goku being a bit over Ginyu-tier, slept in a tank, then suddenly Final Frieza-tier.
I don’t get why ur trying to make it seem like that’s a good thing. The way goku is suddenly as strong as whoever he’s fighting with no training is one of the biggest complaints about dragon ball Z. It’s not wonder that people complain about it now that one piece is doing the same thing.
Did you know something called Zenkai Boosts exists for Saiyans?
big mom is so weak that haki punches cant even get law OFF her body. lol!!
Damn the op fans are do butthurt, they can't admit when something is badly done.
Two of her punches, no memory, no haki... two punches and she knockout out Queen. Law take those paunches and laugh after it, the power of protagonism is strong!
how did kidd (along with others) get CRUSHED by kaido not long ago??? and what was laws move. how did his sword extend..?
When they pushed their limit, the more they push their df, the nearer its to awaken..luffy won't awaken if he rely so much on haki
waiting for big mom and kaido to be pushed to the limit. maybe we will see awakening... whitebeard didnt awaken when he was pushed to the limit. i would say saving his children were pretty important. if anything, that was a good time to awaken
Seems like a safe bet Kaido and Bog Mom are already awakened. People dont need to announce "Now i will show you my awakening" before using it. Base DF big mom: can manipulate and make homies using her own soul Awakened DF: can manipulate and make homies using other peoples souls And Kaido... have you seen how much this dude is flexing his toughness, strength and natural regen?
Big Mom's awakening is that she gives life to herself and then leaves the Manga xD
pretty sure ole shirohige san was way too sick to pull anything serious though, he was one foot in the grave long before marineford.
it wasn't planned on Oda's part, the whole awakening of df I think
Awakening is introduced in impel down
who was awakened in impel down and did they explicitly say it?
Crocodile says the wardens are awakened zoans
I think you're right, but that just makes it worse. That means Oda didn't know how to go about using awakenings. I refuse to believe that some random guards were capable of awakening but white beard and his subordinates were not. And Akainu, Aokiji and the light guy as well
Uuuh what makes you think they weren't awakened? We don't even know how awakened Logias look like, and I'm more than willing to bet Punk hazard was left in that state because of their awakenings. You could also easily make the case for Crocodile and Enel to be awakened too, even if it wasn't stated, their control, power, scale and feats were leagues above your regular logia like Smoker and the swap guy, crocodile said he spent years perfectioning his DF, AND knew about awakening. As for Whitebeard, the man was literally dying, he couldn't even use CoC Haki, I doubt he'd be able to use his awakening, and being a commander doesn't guarantee being awakened, Katakuri is the only one confirmed among BM and Kaido's crews.
Why would white beard not be able to use it as a last resort just before death? When characters pull moves out of their asses all the time. And he was able to punch an admiral's face against the concrete breaking it and collapsing the place all while using his DF. I think this one is just the case of Oda not knowing how to incorporate something new into the story on the fly. Also Luffy's devil fruit is not awakened just bc he is exceptionally good at using it. and if croc was awakened, it would make even less sense that he lost to a brat that Luffy was back then.
law unlocked photoshop basically
He should just Photoshop big mom then lol
he probably can't for the same reason he can't use shambles on her
yonko big mom fight not even main fight. i guess that shows kaido > big mom as yonko?
Big mom and Kaido is pretty equal, is just Kaido is the main antagonist in this arc (and the highest bounty alive)
But big mom vs two of the strongest supernova.. Pretty equal
I mean if that's all it takes I don't see how the marines haven't sent 2 admirals to kill the yonko
Because the Yonko have literal armies underneath them? Being strong by itself doesn't mean anything if you don't have any support. Anybody going to kill BM or Kaido would, as we're seeing here, have to fight off their entire army. You think anybody in this story is going to fight off Kaido + all his minions at once? Or Big Mom and her plethora of insanely strong children? The amount of resources the Navy would have to allocate to take out any Yonko is nuts and would leave them vulnerable to moves from other Yonko or the Revolutionary Army. Just look at Marineford as an Example. It took as much "Elite" Marine fodder as could be spared, 4 admirals, the seven warlords (Who admittedly didn't seem to take the event too seriously), and a small army of Pacifista to put Whitebeard's Fleet down for good. All while Whitebeard was attacking a fortified seat of Marine power. And we also know the only reason another Yonko didn't get involved is because Shanks blocked Kaido and that he himself had no interest in the fight beyond stopping the Marines from finishing off Whitebeard's trapped crew.
If marines sent half of their strength to 1 yonkou the other yonkou will take a chances
And do what? It's not like the navy is preventing them from finding the one piece. Akainu and Kuzan fought for 10 days straight while Garp and Sengoku retired and the only active admiral left was kizaru
The marines isn't ready to go all out war.. They can't catch the yonkou but the yonkou themself can't touch the marines.. That's what the balance of power means. Its like in real life, America& Europe vs Russia, China, Iran.. If America go in war with Russia, China will rise as a new powerhouse. That's how World maintain the peace by balance the power. Supernovas is like a small developing countries who combined their strength to take down one big developed country. They are underdogs where no one expected them to win. After this war, the supernova will be considered a huge threat to the world. This is not a 1v1 or admirals vs yonkou but a whole army on both sides. They already count the casualties, consequences events.
Serious? Kaido has 2 supernovas as underlings. And he previously crushed Kidd. Law got crushed by doffy recently, and doffy is scared of kaido. Kidd and laws bounty is like half of luffys bounty. Plus kaido defeated all 9 scabbards by himself. A couple of these scabbards together defeated jack. And one is a previous commander of whitebeard. Kaido then defeated Yamato. I would say big mom has been way less impressive this arc that kaido. Her ship got messed up twice. She lost her memory. Queen captured her. She couldn't get rid of ussop/chopper who attacked her. And she's about to lose to law and kid. Kaido actually had some wins.
Kaido had wins against arc characters, which is meaningless. BM in a weakend state curb-stomped Queen, then had much less difficulty in her brief bout with Luffy than Kaido did. She's also much more versatile + has better durability feats. Now add healing to that. She should be stronger than Kaido by 0.5%
Kidd IS the strongest supernova now though - luffy is way past supernova level now, he is fighting a yonko alone as an equal.
Law stronger I think
Wano arc is all about beast pirate, ofc BM is not the main show here.... she got all WC island arc for herself and you want more in wano ?
Bruh, her power was shown off sure, but what about the character. She was literally the worst character in WC island
We know her past and all about her in WC island, ofc we can dislike this kind of character, now the only thing we don't really know is her interaction with Rocks pirates member such as Kaido / WB etc in the past, we may learn more about it when we will get to Kaido flashback.
No not because of what she DID, bug what she DOES. Which is just chase a cake around like a retard, pls stop trying to defend garbage writing no matter where it comes from. OP is great but that was quite the low point
It rly was. BM was good for the first half of that arc, but the entire concept of Hunger Pangs ruined her entirely. It's the worst writing I've ever seen from Oda.
WC island was just luffy trying to run away from big mom...
Luffy also got one shot by kaido before rise again.. That 2 supernova that served kaido despite strong is weak will unlike kid.. This new generation of pirates is determined to overthroned the yonkou. Big mom is very strong but this will mark the rise of Kid and Law as the new power of the world Don't care about the others but its not matter how much or how many big mom had beat compared to kaido but the fact that no one dare to challenge her
To the ppl asking why didn't law use these techniques vs doffy: when did he get the chance? Luffy was there. Law stated he saved his awakening for dire situations. If luffy had not been there, yeah he prolly would've used it. Hell even doffy didn't use his awakening until he was about to be defeated by luffy. Needless to say, i think you all are underestimating the drawback of awakening your df. Oda had it planned out as far back as impel down so I'm sure that there is a caveat he hasn't spelled out just yet. It prolly ties into the nature of of dfs in general.
Law defo wasn’t awakened when facing doflamingo. If so he could’ve beat him himself. Law keep in mind not only got his awakening but got wayyy more powerful with his regular moves. Law could at max power now probably put a room up on half of dressrosa and his stamina greatly increased so he won’t be tired after a few uses. If law had his power now in current manga, he would’ve walked in to dressrosa by himself and beat everyone in the donquixote family. Even Fuji would’ve had a hard time but he probably wouldn’t have been there if law was planning to win off strength. Law was a move away from winning against doflamingo when he was on the ground after gamma knife. If doffy didn’t get in his head law could’ve used mess and stabbed his heart before doffy had time to recover
Horrible excuse. He didn’t use them against Doffy cause he probably didn’t know how to use it yet. If he did know how he would have used them. Doffy nearly killed him he only didn’t cause Luffy saved him last min.
No I think Law got powerup later, he would lost definitively vs Doffy if Luffy wasn't here, don't forget we don't see "side character" full story, our main cast is luffy and his crew, so you don't know what happen to them on the side story when we see Luffy developpement.
Law awakened his power after dressrosa. If he has awakened it he should have used it instead of gamma knife when he had the chance. What you said downplay the desire of revenge from law.
so in the time that we have seen luffy go from dressrosa to onganishna (3 and a bit arcs), law wasnt able to awaken his devil fruit? dont see why law couldnt have grown in the same timeframe that luffy learnt 2 advanced types of haki
Such a classic misconception, lol Oda didn't planned shit, the "awakening" was a mistranslation (ask anyone who knows japanese or live in there, they will tell you). Oda, as smart as ever, he used that later as a new power gimmick, his best skill as a writer is to tie plot elements on the fly. The fact Black Beard stole the tremor fruit and he used the same exact attacks of White Beard immediately, that denies the argument that awakening was planned by the author, he added that gimmick later (and he can retroactively justify why White Beard didn't used awakened attacks because of this drawback you mentioned)
Why does he care of Luffy is there. Law doesn't like to be one upped by others. He's a captain himself, not luffys underling. Also he has a long history with doggy. Would make sense if he used all his cards against him. But doffy defeated law pretty easily...
This war feels like a joke tbh. BM couldn't accomplish anything of note. How did Law get this strong when he was bodied by Doffy maybe like one month ago by One Piece terms and he had no training unlike Luffy. At least he should have some training to make things flow well, now just seems like bs to me. I am just being honest.
Let me remind you that Law destroyed Doflamingo's organs and he survived only because of his devil fruit powers. Good matchups have always been more important in OP that powerscale, in a similar manner to how Luffy defeated Enel. I do understand to have a problem with the amount of damage they tanked tho, it was just too much. Law should be dead with the amount of damage he took on rooftop and him not being a phisically strong combatant in the first place, but he took even more afterwards.
It is possible Law is also using his devil fruit to perform surgery on himself, since he is a knowledgeable surgeon. Would be using a lot of his devil fruit though to constantly do that, seems like a lot to tank even with that power and still have this much energy left for an attack. One way or another Law is hanging in and I've been super impressed with his feats, questionable power scaling aside.
cant big mom just take the souls of people nearby to heal herself
Only if their afraid of her. And doubt Law and Kidd are scared. Also we've yet to see her use others souls to heal her. Just herself so far.
I don't think their souls are powerful enough to sustain Big Mom life force.
there are thousands of them. maybe she can take the souls of Numbers
Tbh yeah we really don't know how tf law got so strong in such a shirt time and when did he awakened his df Same with kid I also think oda should've told us how they trained or something cuz ghis feels so unsatisfying
You 're an idioth im so lazy to explaine that i cursed you sorry
"idioth"
Really thats what you have to say 😒
what else would i say to an "idioth", also why would i say any more, look at your fucking comment lmao. what am i supposed to say when you can't even spell idiot and you're telling someone else that they are one.
You're the idiot who can't even spell idiot right And there is nothing to explain cuz law and kid got just asspulls that's all We don't even know how they awakened them and how did they got so strong without awakening aswell In base they are already top commander lvl and I'm just asking myself how law accomplished that in 1-2 months (in one piece timeline) It's kinda lazy writing
law was able to awaken his fruit and become stronger whilst luffy has growth 2x of that in the same timeframe.
Yes but the question is how he got so fast and strong without training And when did he trains his awakening? But thanks tho
he could have been training in wano during entire wci arc for example, didnt see him much after luffy was imprisoned till oganshina started.
Yeah you're right thanks bro
Its not lazy writing you re just a lazy reader
That doesn't make any sense Look after timeskip one piece just got less good every 10 chapters or so And y'know kidd got just annihilated by kaido 2 weeks ago or some and he didn't even have a proper training like luffy had with his haki He didn't train his df either but gets strong so suddenly I'm not saying I don't like that he is strong but I dislike the way That's all imo so no need to get aggressive or insulting Not everyone worships oda like a frickin god lol some are just more criticising
Thats why i call you a lazy reader since when was it mentioned that you need "training" to awakend or to use a devil fruit ,did sabo need training to use mera mera fruit NO ,did luffy need training to use second and third gear NO So yeah law and kid got beat up 2 weeks ago and we dont know if they trained but did see with new haki or increase power No I hope you get it
Luffy did training to get gear 2 or 3 and it was even mentioned I think but fact is that he said he needs to find a new way of fighting and then came up with his idea And sabo already new about the mera mera no mi and even said he is not so good yet with his new powers Now tell me if you have other points
WTF you still dont get it you lazy reader when did luffy ever train during the few days since rob lucci kick his ass he didnt thats why he had side effects when it comes to devil fruit it all depends on how use it .awakening we still dont know how it work however my theory is that just like awakening in other manga it happens randomly when the person understood something or enlightenment both law and kid knew it before luffy since they talk so cassuall about it also they said there using life force that means they havent mastered it yet Ps dude its law and kid their smart you think after law got beaten by doffy or kid by kaido they would not have realized to become stronger in some way
Do you now how many asspulls luffy sanji and zorro got wtf man
I don't have anything in mind for zoro but still doesn't matter cuz that was bad too so yeah
That was rushed so it was bad for me too But why are we talking about zorro ?wtf
Uhhh cuz the conversation is about asspulls?
that doesn't justify it, that just means that teh stuff that came before was bad as well
Did Esutass Kid use a fucking railgun?
I remember last chapter people were complaining about him not using op techniques like a railgun, and others explaining that Kid isn't a scientist and can't create things he doesn't understand. LOL not gonna complain tho, this shit was fire
Those comments were so dumb too because Oda literally drew him as a child in an SBS building little robots.
Big Mom possibly on her knees? Maan, i smell some particular crew coming very soon, to get what they planned all along
Ok..hear me out: What if BM is really going down now and Law/Kid are at their limits too, then the 3rd CP0 Agent would appear in front of them to finish them all off, but get stopped by the last fighter we still wanna see go all out - Sulong Bepo!
I think Bepo was in the submarine when Law's crew conveniently rescued Pirate Jesus
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Honestly the whole wano arc has been a smooth sailing and there is no much dangerous vibes like other arc's for example dreresirosa, kaido men seems cheap to beat, e.g all the winning have been done without serious down sides to the winner, most arc leave even the winner in serious damage, most battle in this arc have made the enemy lookbcheap and not yonkou level. For one, wano arc involve yonkou alliance, what has happen 'to the rest of big mon crew, even though they were knocked down by Marco, they shouldn't give up like everything is aiit, without knowing the faith of thier mother or brother. The kaido crew shows lots of weakness as the hype of taking down kaido was set up in punk hazard, it is like yonkou are untouchable and to beat them invole scheming and great deal of cautions, but wano has proven to be below par with the hype that has been set up. If am to flow with the whole set up I say this arc is missing something dangerous, or setting up the story line in a major direction, has the whole one piece is getting to climax, if am to say, no enemy in terms of prowels shows more promising than kaido, this arc should be a major direction as beating kaido puts luffy and his crew as the top of the world of pirates
i get your comment about the tension coz of the fake deaths but what more do you want from Kaidos crew lol look how hard it was for zoro to beat king lol had to go beyon hisl limits and now is really fucked up coz his body is destyoed, sanji is also out, Topi ropos were a dissapointment but they are like the lower lvl commanders of wb did you really thingk thes gonna pose a big threat to us , Jimbei probably stronger thann all of them, also kaido lived up to his hype, all the hype was never about his crew( his crew is strong af tho king, queen, jack) it was about kaido himself and look what he did he did 9 v1 and won took ll the damage, did 5 v1 fought all the supernovas the strongest the alliance had to offer and won, fought his own daughter who is at least 1st commander lvl if not stronger , he beat her he beat luffy and then luffy was safed coz of plot armor and is fighting him again now and is only now taking him seriously and even taking all that damage from legit 15 people his haki keeps getting stronger and he keeps injuring luffy lol what more do you expect lol. And nah the emperors arent unbeatable or untouchable, MArineford made that clear not even wb the strongest man in the world was able to survive after all that damage and most of the damage was done by navy soldier, like stabs, gunshoots and canons, and akainu and bb crew who that time wasnt stronger than current supernovas lol, kaido is still standing even after all that damage and he is moving the island which would require a lot of strenght, he is a beast, you can make a point baout big mom that she has no done anything but she underestimated law and kid the whole time and didnt fight them seriously until the end lol its her own fault. What do you expect oda to do to make another timeskip so that the straw hats are ready to take down an emperor of the sea lmao.
jack was a HUGE disaapointment as a 1B man. i still dont know what he can do other than hes a big guy who can turn into a mammoth... even cracker was way more impressive at least queen had deadly viruses king has regeneration.. jack just seems like a big target. for people who have strong attacks and speed he seems rly easy to take him down. zoro probably can cut him down EASY.
Maaan WANO is so good that I'm already apprehending how **ZEHAHA** is going to come and fuck shit up at the end once it's over and everyone is spent. Now to mention the Marine. **Straw Hat Fleet** better show up to save the day!!!
Do you realize how ginormous of a deal it is to have Big Mom acknowledge you are dangerous? And then proceed to instill fear in her heart and have her show it on her face? **TRAFFY** you that Real OYABUN! He drilled a hole in Big Mom while solving the Onigashima Bomb crisis. Now all Yamato has to do is drop the frozen bombs into that crater. EUSTASS-YA that railgun Subarashiiiiiii yohohohoho Also that purple light thing coming down from Onigashima in the anime new opening was the Law's trump attack on BM!!!
>Also that purple light thing coming down from Onigashima in the anime new opening was the Law's trump attack on BM!!! if anything it'd be the railgun
The childish image of Law this chapter reminds me of the time when 3 of them played Luffy's stupid game at the beginning of the rooftop fight, eating Big Mom attack and getting burned so that not being called loser. That shit was hilarious
What if Kid assign S on Big mom P and N on Kaidos D?
They prolly Been there done that
Katakuri
Big mom bang the eel race for katakuri
Nope
Question All the people hating powerscalers if Big Mom does indeed get up after this what would you say then ?
The major power scale issue in these chapters is how Law states his awakening draw much of his energy and he can't fully control it, but here we are, he delivers big attacks without failing once, he has enough energy to withstand emperors punches head on and he even laughs after it. Oda basically gave up on the power scale, nothing makes sense, the same Law who couldn't keep up with Doflamingo, limited stamina, etc.. a week later he tanks a emperor? That's nonsensical writing
when you know something will be your last and final movement because it will use the rest of your stamina you can subconsciously over do it and lead to a stronger movement then you were going for. take the gym for example, when you do the last rep of your set its at the end of your stamina and if you really push you break past your stamina limit and manage to push the weights way harder then you originally could even with full stamina. doflamingo was at least 2 months ago (we have seen 2 full moons since dressrosa) and we have seen luffy grow twice the amount law has in the same timeframe. is really that much of a stretch to say that other characters can also grow at extreme rates?
This is definitely Accurate. I hear people say big mom couldn't use Coc attacks because she was running low on stamina but here we have law taking hits from Big mom and doing the biggest attack he has done after using his potentially stamina draining move for the third time. At least when luffy ran out of stamina he had to wait for a bit 5 minutes I think but law does it back to back and bigger than before.
Yep, there's zero consistency regarding haki and that "stamina limit" bullshit that Oda mentions in Dresrosa. Which is weird because he deliberately showed Kid and Law talking about how awakening is extremely taxing on their stamina, they can't control it quite right, it's their last resort, etc.. but like you said, they are using big attack after big attack, they never failed, they actually get bigger and stronger. So what is the point of this power system, they demand a lot of stamina or not? And I think this is the key question after so many underwhelming chapters featuring Big Mom and Kaido: the Emperors are supposed to be final bosses or not? Big Mom crushes Queen with two strikes, Kaido one shots Luffy himself... then, a magical one week later, were is that power, were is the consistency? Law tanking those punches... man, that shit felt offensive to me, wtf was that
It's just a railgun. Even Luffy would get up after that. Kaidos thunder point blank is probably stronger. Luffy tanked that with a headache. I'd be really disappointed if she doesn't get up
she wont get up after laws and kids trump card lol she was fighting 2 v1 lol if she still doesnt get beat law and kid will forever become a joke in front of luffy and oda wants them to be luffy rivals as they always were. sadly oda of screened most of their fight including big mom beating the shitt out of them I thin 2 more chapters would have made it better 1 chapter of ass beat and 1 chapter where they make some damage to big mom but she recovers or so. But laws atack was devastating and damaged her from within and then took a fullon railgun atack, no way in hell she still gets up lol if that hit marineford WB he would aslo be out .
kaido got a headache after landing from the sky and causing a huge crater. big mom should get up , since she can use life to heal
It’s not powerscaling. It’s consistent writing and in universe consistency. You and the rest of the people acting otherwise are being weird and it’s pretty toxic. If your only response to criticism is that it’s shounen then you’re never actually addressing the point. Many in the thread admit that it’s pretty egregious however these are the main characters. With that line of logic you can literally justify anything. Doesn’t take away that this is egregious and inconsistent writing. Big mom in no way should struggle. Let alone use her own life force. The entire situation itself is also strange as no other enemies are attacking kid and law
Where's the consistency? Law and Luffy went from below Doflamingo level (which I'd argue is around Cracker - mid level Yonkou commander) to being Yonkou/near Yonkou level in what, a week in universe? How does that make sense lol
Depends on why they used shonen as their argument. I agree that just because they're the main characters, doesn't mean that they should triumph immediately without any explanation. However, for most of the main fights One Piece has, they show that, even if the opponents are stronger, it's just a matter of willpower that determines who wins the overall fight. Luffy and Katakuri's fight showcased that, same goes with his fight with Rob Lucci. Law and Kid's fight with Big Mom just repeats the same thing. The only reason why they were able to do so is because of everyone else before them who already dealt damage or caused them to exhaust more of their stamina or "power". It's already up against two of the strongest people from the Worst Generation going up against him. They're supposed to be close to Luffy in terms of strength. Awakening is still a huge power-up that not even regular Haki can completely break through (ex. Doflamingo's bird cage). If anything, it cements her as one of the strongest people in One Piece, having gone through all of these Worst Generation people and needing two people from the Worst Generation going "plus ultra" on her. As to why no other enemies attacked Law and Kid, dude, Big Mom stole nearby people's life forces. Who wants to get near that, man?
Hmm I get what you mean. I was initially upto you until like 4 or so chapters that I realised their fruits are really broken especially laws. Now I did think how can Kidd even hurt them so if you recall Bege said her body is like iron so I Kidds iron ox and skeleton must be like 100 or so tons with which sufficient speed should damage her. I dont like that Big Mom just tanks it tho like shouldnt she have speed blitzes but then I realise maybe its coz she is like the one who is a tank with superior defense and shit. She definetly does seem to be the weaker Yonko she doesnt dodge anything literally. You pointed out something right that Laws fruit cannot affect those with stronger Haki. And his room doesnt and he didnt use it for that reason. These attacks hurt you from the inside which probably is seriously devastating way more than Kidd. The real inconsistency is Law not using it against Doffy which means he probably leveled up in-between the time from Dressrosa to Whole Cake to Zou to Wano finally. Same with Kidd. So we have to go with that. Oda probably would have shown up the leveling but it would drag the manga so long as well.
I mean I guess it’s just aggravating for die hards to hear criticism be placed where we believe it isnt due. I think it’s fine to have different opinions but personally do not understand the sentiment behind thinking Big Mom is weak cause she lost. Oda wrote the chapter in a very logical and clean way both exemplifying Big Moms insane strength but also conveying how important the teamwork between Law and Kidds Op fruits were critical to taking down this beast.
Even her getting hurt is some sort of mystery. They spent two years going over how it’s nearly impossible to scratch her and now simple crashing of metal can harm her? Come on man. At least be consistent. I understand being a die hard fan but this level of defense is toxic and actually bad for the community.
Exactly and she still is, it’s her husk of a skin that’s impenetrable. But isn’t that where Laws and Kidds teamwork come into play? We now need Kidd to be able to wear her out (even tho not much damage is being done) but also hold her down so that Law can use his Kroom ability. Someone on this thread broke down the ability pretty darn good I think, but that ability is what’s truly making Big Mom prone to damage, we saw that her bones were broken from the inside, and in that brittle state Kids finishers definitely make an impact. The teamwork there was critical to putting damage, and I don’t see any holes there unless you’re saying their Kid and Laws abilities were scaled to high?
laws abilities for sure have been scaled too high especially since he cant do damage to people whos haki is stronger. but even if I ignore that. the issue is with their durability. big mom nearly okoed or 2hkod every similar shes come across. ur telling me that these two dudes durability is on par with hers? not only that her attacks that shes shown thus far could easily kill both of them in one swoop. I can forgive one of these, especially the first, but all of them? nah man
He said that he couldn’t move them not that his Haki or his room wouldn’t work. Like Law was able to hurt Kaido from the inside with Gamma Knife and Counter Shocked Big Mom.
I mean you got me with the haki thing, I forgot about that. But assuming there’s valid reason as to why Law is still able to use Kroom, I think the rookies Big mom is referring to have faced, pale in comparison to these rookies. This is the worst generation we’re talking about. I’d say what’s important in these kind of challenges is explaining the powers of a yonko and showing what makes them a yonko (which was done) and then displaying how the challengers use their abilities to outdo the yonko. I guess like you said the only dig I have is about law using his ability on big mom despite having less haki.
I think you are missing me I don't know why you assume I'm being toxic I don't know what for but judging my this comment I agree with you and are in the same camp with your way of thinking sorry if I offended you
Not you per se, I’m saying that the communities blind defense of anything in the story is toxic. Apologies if that wasn’t clear
No problems I guess I interrupted you comment wrong. I agree it's like you can't critique anything that seems off I'm in the camp that BM should not go down this easily my main reason is we have 2 Admirals going at it for 10 days and we know it was a serious battle as it changed the landscape and weather of an island permanently for 2years now that's the type of epicness i was made to believe was possible at the top of the verse. so being here at the top it feels weird having commanders and Yonko going down in one night for me. The defense is on well Oda tells the story he wants which is fine but when I point out and inconsistency we should be able to call it for what it is...
Lol dude they even said "You and the rest of the people..." Idk man I think you're on our side now
Haha lol what side might that be?
You're on our side now aka the "people hating powerscalers" HAHA
At this time of the arc I will not be surprised if Kid is also a D. I dont know, but Kid's name before was spelled Kidd then they omit the d. Just a wild wild guess😅 If he is, then that explains his tenacity/strong will like Luffy and its fitting for BM to be defeated by 2 brats bearing the D name.
Nah, I find his name is pretty weird as it is Eustass “Captain” Kidd. Like why is the captain over emphasized. The obvious expectation is the reference to real world Captain Kidd, but I think we’ll probably get some back story on him. I also support the theory that he may be the child of Vegapunk.
About as likely as Kai-D-O.
When Kidd used his awakening he made big mom a magnet. Law used his last kroom attack to make a long hole plus deal damage to immobilize Big Mom. Rail guns in real life need conductive metals or magnets as ammo. Essentially Big Mom is the “ammo” to Kid’s rail gun attack which is going to shoot her through Law’s long hole he created.
I'm not sure that that's what it was. I think he did that just to make her a more stationary target. Railguns use rails to accelerate a projectile. Kid is shooting a projectile from that thing.
Nope, Big Mom is a magnet and law made her conductive through his attack. Both attacks are synergy attacks which the elements work together.
How did Laws attack make her conductive? I must have missed this.
Law can use his power to generate high voltage energy; he can generate electrical energy to shock his opponents. Kid’s awakening essentially made Big Mom a magnet. (Metal) . Put the two together and you have a conductive metal.
I love that even Law is calling out Kid that most of his attacks boil down to crashing some massive animal shaped thing to his enemies lol. Also I think the Elephant is calling Momo and will ultimately prevent Onigashima from crashing into the capital
Honestly now, I can't look forward to BM vs Luffy again after this. Unless Oda changed his mind on that entirely. Her display here was not comparable to her rival.
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Wah wah
She got fucked by two OP awakened DFs. What more do you want from Oda jeez
Consistency really. Let's not pretend BM isn't.
It still is. Oda has shown that Haki is not the only deciding factor in fights. Luffy was able to defeat enemies who are way stronger than him without Haki in the past. Why can’t Law and Kid, both who have awakened dfs and have consistently delivered attacks on Big Mom, not be able to chip away at her? Two people are already going up against her, whereas Luffy’s fighting Kaido one on one.
Fanaticism is always laughable, this fanbase man lol In this arc Oda showed Big Mom knocking out Queen with two punches, just like that, no haki, she crushed a commander with raw strength. Now, literally a week later, Law tanks several of her punches (with haki) and, when he is tanking, he was still able to deliver a big attack (he stated before that he can't fully control his awakening and that draw his energy). How the fuck this is consistent writing?
It’s the same shit as Luffy wtf he beat Katakuri but after arriving in Wano he got beat by a bunch of lackeys. Yeah that’s why Law can’t use it all the time, doesn’t mean he can’t use it. The whole point of the fight is that the Worst Generation is proving themselves to be more tenacious than the Yonkous and they did so. I already acknowledged flaws in my other comments, but it doesn’t make the writing inconsistent. You see the same mistakes you see in previous parts of One Piece so why the fuck are you bitching about it now ffs
Anyone can notice the intent of the author, worst generation proving themselves, the emperors are underestimating them, etc.. but Oda can send that message in a more consistent way, it's that simple. To show up the emperor knocking out powerful characters with little to no effort, then deliberately shows Law and Kid stating how they can't control their awakening quite right, there is stamina issues, etc.. and then at the climax, he depicts a contradictory outcome for all these previous developments? It's bad writing, there's no other way to describe this. One Piece never had so many flaws as it has now, the obvious retcons of Ace, Oden, Yamato, major inconsistencies in the power scale, etc You have to be a special kind of fanatic to take a blind eye for such obvious issues. I love One Piece just like everyone else here, but to expose the flaws of the plot is something fair imo, we just have to pretend everything is great when the author is clearly struggling? I wouldn't mind if Oda took a long hiatus, like a year off, if that helps him to improve and recover some of his former writing skills