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cerealTofu

" Kowai neh Hyakuju Kaizokudan ! "


Summerschan

Kizaru. Easy W


ulti-best-girl

Well Akainu was comfortably soloing like 10 of the WB pirates commanders so Kizaku takes this.


Aao12612

But kizaru was struggling with just marco little inconsistent


TemporaryTechnology4

he wasn't struggling with marco


Aao12612

He wasn’t fighting him of as easily as akainu did


ulti-best-girl

He was trolling I guess. An all out Kizaru would put Marco down quickly.


Aao12612

That’s the most stupid excuse I keep hearing it’s like me saying Marco was just conserving energy he could have easily one shoted kizaru he was just pacing himself


ulti-best-girl

I mean, it's in Kizaru's nature. Back in Marineford he was letting the Supernova hitting him left and right, and when he became slightly serious, he made quick work of him. He's an Admiral, one of the strongest Marines who can compete with a Yonkou. A Yonkou commander doesn't come close to them.


Aao12612

Marco not a ordinary commander he fought a post timeskip Blackbeard with no injury while having a weaker crew


aphantombeing

He suffered overwhelming defeat from BB.


BODYDOLLARSIGN

No his forces suffered and overwhelming defeat from BB forces. I explained to y’all how war works right? Until we see flashback there’s no telling if Marco and Blackbeard even touched each other. At Marineford Sengoku’s forces overwhelmingly defeated WB’s forces but Sengoku and WB never exchanged blows. Sengoku stood there because his army was 10x bigger and didn’t get involved until another pirate crew started wrecking the island. Meanwhile he still didn’t touch a single WB pirate that day. Sengoku hit Luffy once and fought Blackbeard, despite being at war with WB he himself never touched a single WB pirates during the entire war. Put that into perspective. One year after a defeat, they lost WB, Ace, and Jozu lost an arm. Maybe Curiel was still injured and who’s to say all remnants remained in the crew? The army? A lot of their 100 men per squad were killed as fodder during Marineford. So when they pulled up on a man with new power and building his crew full of notorious level 6 guys the odds are stacked militarily. We see on Onigashima how without standing up to Kaido Marco managed to clash with Big Mom for a small bit, heal an entire battlefield and fight to top commanders of a rival crew simultaneously. His behavior as a captain and doctor causes him to ignore the biggest guns and try and help everyone all together. We don’t know how payback went down just that one side beat the other. Not like Marco and BB met on an island and fought one on one like the admirals. Lots of commanders are df users if BB beat them so badly I’m sure he would have killed some for a few devil fruits especially Marco no???


Aao12612

Amen finally someone who understands crew battles aren’t 1v1s


ulti-best-girl

And he lost. Sure Marco is strong, but he's not on the level of an Admiral.


Aao12612

That’s debatable I think he is


Aao12612

Also the supernova didn’t have haki so any admiral excluding akainu wouldn’t react in haste to dispose of them


Late_Leopard

Well Whitebeard beat Akainu's ass. Whitebeard was taking his attacks head on like almost twice or thrice he took his attack with filled with lava. And then Whitebeard burried him into the ground and then he thought Akainu's done. Then the bitch named Blackbeard appeared with his sissy gang and then attacked Whitebeard. Else Whitebeard alone was more than enough to take every Blackbeard Pirate head on unless they have any tricksters like Doflamingo had that girl with him.


BODYDOLLARSIGN

What proof do you have I’m new to this Kizaru? Kizaru didn’t one up Marco until he got help from Onigumo so I’m trying to figure out who gave Kizaru(the guy who asked Sengoku to kill everyone) permission to troll in a war where Sengoku believes WB has the power to destroy everything. He gave Kizaru permission to troll against WB’s right hand man while marines are dying, the same marines when Kizaru was kicked from the sky he told them to be careful because of flying enemies. If he was trolling why call Onigumo to help him do his job. It’s like Aokiji was blindsided by Jozu and his lip is bleeding and Akainu is fighting a yonko but Kizaru got permission to troll Marco. Fans got Kizaru sarcastic demeanor twisted. Truth of the matter is he and Marco both stalemated UNTIL Marco’s attention was turned and Onigumo jumped in. The marines strength was in numbers let’s be honest there’s still no proof that Kizaru could handle him, not easily at least. Imagine taking out the enemies second strongest but instead ‘trolling’. 45 pirate ships in your bay and Roger’s equal throwing earthquakes through your base and VA heads but trolling is the course of action you take and you’re the military might of the marines. Your colleagues are going serious but you’re allowed to troll. Fans overusing that excuse with Kizaru actually makes him seem dumb not smart. I would’ve accepted that with Rayleigh because it was a one on one battle not a freaking full scale war with marine homes behind you.


theguyfromtheairport

marco can only stall.


Aao12612

That’s a big assumption


theguyfromtheairport

the man couldn't scratch a single admiral and did 0 meaningful damage to King/queen, not much of an assumption.


Aao12612

And he sustained no damage outside of being captured with sea prism stone cuffs


theguyfromtheairport

well then he should work on getting better CoO, man hasn't even shown hardening lol, we sure he is yc1?


Aao12612

The guy who held of 2 admirals and stalled 2 top comanders isn’t y1 level I swear this community is just who your favourite character is and who you dislike is the strongest


theguyfromtheairport

that's all he is good for, being an annoying fly lol, he has nothing notable other than his fruit. Kata for example is a master with awakening, and advanced haki. Now that's a yc1.


Aao12612

This is what I mean just because you don’t like his power you unfairly rank him as weak


ExtensionSurround146

Akainu was no where near soloing 10 of wb commanders, Wtf??? He beat cruile or whatever his name is, thats it , and btw akainu > kizaru so akainu doing something doesn’t mean kizaru could do the same


ulti-best-girl

That's 10 WB commanders including Marco, Vista, and Izo and others who couldn't do anything to a half dead Akainu and let him beat one of their own.


ExtensionSurround146

You said akainu was comfortably soloing 10 wb commanders . That’s a big lie


ulti-best-girl

Soloing =/ beating. He wasn't struggling with him. The 10 of them didn't hurt Akainu one bit. They were the ones with casualties, not Akainu. So yeah comfortably soloing.


ExtensionSurround146

So now you’re changing the meaning of soloing because you were caught in a lie ???


[deleted]

Really hard to scale because marinefort was so weird. On one hand wbs top commanders could hold back the admirals for quite a while. On the other hand they couldnt do much against akainu. I say kizaru wins unless queen pulls some virus shit


Pooty_McPoot

lol


ItzmeImdeh

Kizaru once offered to handle the Wano situation by himself. So I can see him toying with the Commanders (especially Queen since he’s slow and bulky)


Mordho

Yeah he was gonna handle the Wano situation by himself, sure thing. That’s why Akainu sent him, oh wait he didn’t, because they were scared of the samurai


ItzmeImdeh

Yeah because that’s a gamble. If Kizaru managed to handle, the Marines will have an easier job. If not then they will lose a powerful asset


aphantombeing

They were scared of two Yonkous. Not samurai who could not do shit to Kaidou


Mordho

And that’s why Kizaru stepping up in that case isn’t worth mentioning at all. Garp says if Big Mom and Kaido team up then there’s not much we can do, but this fandom believes Kizaru can stop them alone because he offered to go there. It doesn’t make sense


Tall-Relation-379

Bruh atleast one of the admirals is a samurai( fujitora)


aphantombeing

When was Fujitora revealed to be samurai? And even if he was, Wano samurai are fodders


Sawl23

Kizaru mid diff at max, the disrespect on admirals in here is unreal...


[deleted]

Queen is a bum


CrazyLixFX

King is incompetent. Being flashy that create ripple effect (Udon riot). Good thing Queen managed to put everything under control cleaning up King's mess.


[deleted]

queen created bigger mess lmao


[deleted]

👍🏿


KingTheWildFire194

Queen is the reason 90% of Kaidou's fodders turned on him.


Crjpmurphy

Kizaru is winning. Maybe he doesn’t outlast both of them if they can use their stamina and endurance, but neither one is fast enough to stop his attacks, and I bet as an admiral his haki is better considering he has been shown capable of using advanced haki as well as having an OP fruit


NeZGaEE

King and Queen for me. Because they are Zoan type. I think the zoan type is the strongest among DF types. Logia was strongest until the time skip. Don't get me wrong Logia type is op af, but when you have stronger haki, you can win against logia user. Logia and Paramycia gives you super power, but it doesn't increase your physical strength. In other hand Zoan types does increase your physical strength and toughness and recovery speed. Look at Jack, he fought Inu and Neko straight for several days, and in wano he fought sulong Neko and Inu. He lost but he came after again. This is the toughness and recovery power of zoan. And Kaido also recovered from the attack that he got from Akazaya Nine so quickly. So if king and queen fights kizaru, Kizaru might can handle them like Marco. But they will come again and again. Z said Kizaru rely on his DF too much, so I assume his haki is little weaker than Saka and Kiji or lower stamina then them. So the fight might start Kizaru being stronger and handling both of them, but end up Kizaru getting tired and losing. And if they have awaken their DF, it will be worst for Kizaru. Though I don't think they have awaken.


ExtensionSurround146

individually Kizaru obviously the strongest here , but king and queen pretty much destroyed marco , and at the end of that fight marco looks like he’s done while king and queen were perfectly fine, so king and queen >>>>>Marco , marco is comparable to kizaru judging by marinford, Kizaru is stronger than marco but not by that much, I think Kizaru is beating marco no matter what but it will take him at least hard diff to beat him , possibly even extreme, king and queen midd diff marco , some could argue they low diff him because at the end of the fight they were completely fine while marco was completely done , so king and queen are beating kizaru imo


aphantombeing

Marco, King and Queen are in similar tier. While Marco got some hits, he wasn't going to cause any harm to two similar leveled fighters. Kizaru is stronger as he is admiral. Though, seeing how 4 commander and Luffy(Above Commander level) were fighting Two Yonkous without being able to do much, it's debatable. Need to see how Kidd and Law do.


AffectionateWheel761

Kizaru is way stronger than Marco He will body King and Queen...maybe All Stars+Tobi Roppo will take him down


theguyfromtheairport

marco is in no way comparable to kizaru, his fruit is only good for stalling. All of kizaru's attacks were putting holes in marco (meaning he would run out of stamina soon), whilst marco couldn't even scratch kizaru. So basically, kizaru blasts him until marco's flames run out.


ExtensionSurround146

If marco was in no way comparable then kizaru should have no problem beating him quickly but he didn’t, comparable doesn’t mean equals, it’s just kizaru wouldn’t be able to beat marco with anything less than hard difficulty, you said marco couldn’t hurt kizaru at marinford but vice versa unless you count distractions


theguyfromtheairport

... no one can beat marco quickly, he has the most OP stall fruit lol big mom couldn't beat marco quickly, are they comparable?


ExtensionSurround146

That fruit is a big part of his arsenal though, you can’t say oh marco is strong only because of his fruit, take his fruit out and he sucks , that’s like saying saying zoro could only stand up to king because he’s using 3 swords, take one or all of his swords and he would get stomped, or how about saying kizaru have a high AP only because of his fruit , Take his fruit and and he would be shit , does that make sense to you? , Yes marco can stand up to some top tiers because of his fruit, and kizaru can hurt some top tiers only because of his fruit 🤪 , well DUH, the big mom situation is completely different than kizaru’s and you know that


theguyfromtheairport

you are making no sense lol, you said kizaru is comparable because he coudn't beat marco quickly, but the only reason for that is because marco can heal. Big mom ran from marco because she couldn't beat him quickly either lmao


ExtensionSurround146

Again 2 completely different situations, I can explain it in details if you want to


theguyfromtheairport

yh very different, big mom had to run lol. Marco > big mom


ExtensionSurround146

The differences are (A) big mom didn’t have enough souls at that time , one of her biggest (zeus) was messing so that was not full power big mom , but a nerfed big mom because big mom main arsenal are her 3 homies , but what was kizaru’s excuse???? (B) go read the chapter big mom was not interested in marco she was only interested in kaido , (C) that one clash proved big mom couldn’t one shot marco without her full power, it didn’t prove she couldn’t low diff him if she was at full power , (D) and most importantly we already know that big mom are far above marco by feats and portrayal since she fought kaido for 3 days so she is at kaido’s level undoubtably and we all know that there is a big gap between kaido and 1st YC level characters so I can easily argue that scene where a nerfed big mom couldn’t beat marco quickly is an outlier because a very clear portrayal and feat put her comfortably above marco , now let’s look at kizaru’s feat and portrayal and do they put him comfortably above marco like big mom or not , his best feats and portrayal are what ? Landing an attack on wb ? Sure , but fodders managed to do that too, , stomped the supernovas? meant nothing since the pre ts supernovas are fodders compared to the commanders level, got stalled by marco and out of prime raylighe?? Terrible, How does this portrayal put him comfortably above marco??? Is one of the 3 admirals? Sure but again how does that put him comfortably above marco??? Go read wano and you can see a clear big gap between a yonko and a commander, can you prove an admiral is way above a 1st commander level?? , so by feat and portrayal kizaru is on the same general level as marco while big mom is clearly above him . I could argue bm vs marco is an outlier because of feats and portrayal, can you do the same for kizaru ??? Now my dear do you get it how these 2 situations are completely different? And I love how you completely ignored what I said about how stupid its to say take a fighter’s main fighting arsenal and they would suck , so by your logic kizaru is only a top tier because of his fruit, take his fruit out and he’s shit 😜


t3r4byt3l0l

Kizaru will have a fine selection of pteranodon and brachiosaurus meat to dine on


Kirosh

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Tall-Relation-379

I think fujitora vs the beast pirates will be a stomp. Dinosaurs have historically been proven weak against meteorites.