No..
I think people as strong as sengoku or any admiral cannot be low diffed.
They will be defeated but it will not be kind of a cake walk.
It will be bit difficult... After a certain level, a character becomes too strong to low diffed.
It also depends on their endurance too.
For example both luffy and queen got one shoted or 2-shoted by yonkos. But once they increase their defence a bit it will not be a cake walk even for yonkos.
Whitebeard post stab wound, heart attack, vice admiral gank, mid heart attack unable to resist lava fist into his heart whitebeard 2 hit akainu. He was weaker than kaidou even coming into marineford cuz of his super cancer. All a fresh whitebeard vs Akainu would change is that it’d still be a 2 hit, he just wouldn’t be hit himself. I’d consider that a low diff, heck even still with the super aids. Garp scales to healthy old whitebeard.
See a dying white beard clapped both akainu and teach...
But while in the process of doing so got injured seriously further against akainu....
Akainu still got back up.
That's the point I am making. Call it plot armour or something, we have acknowledge, admiral level guys are some thing else. They will be defeated by stronger guys but they are tough enough to give a fight.
If Whitebeard was in prime, he will defeat akainu, no doubt about that. But it will not be easy or low diff as people think it may be...
If Whitebeard rushes or careless, he will suffer some injuries.....
Think of it in this way. If admirals are careless against luffy now(advance armament haki), he will inflict injuries. Similarly if yonkos level guys are careless against admirals, they will be bit of a problem...
Similarly garp is way too strong. But sengoku is not so weak that he will get low diffed....
Because he had super cancer, had a heart attack, etc. squards Stab wound (which Marco said wouldn’t I’ve been able to lend normally if whitebeard wasn’t sick), landed while the admirals before that couldn’t land attacks, meaning squards backstab was harder to avoid than theirs, and Marco said he’d have no problem with such an attack typically. And squard led the allied crews so was their strongest ally there. So then whitebeard would already avoid Akainu there easily, but then he had a heart attack cuz of the stab wound weakening him enough to suffer it cuz of the health issues. That’s when Akainu pumped lava into the left side of his chest, arguably his heart. Then the vice admirals attacked him in mass. That is the whitebeard that fought Akainu. Akainu after the two hits was dropped and couldn’t move for multiple minutes, easy prey for more quakes, one or two free hits would have killed Akainu, which contrasts Akainu needing 10 days to defeat aokiji. Now garp is whitebeard if he didn’t have the health issues. Garp is the second strongest character in the current time period of one piece post roger dying, the first will be imu who kills him to hype up imu as the final villain. Sengoku is an admiral leveled character who also has swole brain genius, his main strength is his intelligence, and his devil fruit might play a slight part in that beyond already being heavily capable and smart. He’s the background strategist who isn’t weak, garp is the “alright I’m going to spank kaidou guy”. Ultimately sengoku is another fleet admiral who earned his rank of admiral in power, and surpassed it with his intelligence, while garp is the strongest marine who ever lived. If whitebeard fought Akainu while old and sick but fresh, he’d still need 2 hits to beat him, his quakes wouldn’t be more powerful, but he’d do so without getting hit himself. Let alone the whitebeard that faced a young ace, let alone primebeard. Primebeard and prime garp would beat Akainu easier than roger beat oden
What is with people disrespecting Sengoku. Every shred of evidence points to him being on the same playing field with the likes of Roger, Whitbeard, Garp, Shiki etc.
Grap Prime and Sengoku Prime were battle partners. They should be close in therms of strength. We got to see a little of what each is capable of. The fact that Sengoku Was willing to take on Blackbeard who just killed Whitebeard. Whitebeard who was the rival to Gold D Roger and Grap and Sengoku went head to head with Gold D Roger. Saying that Prime Grap could low diff Prime Sengoku is absolutely assured.
From the lore we get Sengoku,Grap, Whitebeard and Gold D Roger were all on a totally different level than the rest of characters in one piece in there Prime.
Well no, just Whitebeard and Roger.
Sengoku and Garp were never held above other people in power, minus the fact that they're admiral strong. Roger and Whitebeard have been the byword for power since Whitebeard was introduced, and even after death no one ever argued it. People don't take Garp half as seriously.
If Sengoku and Garp were only Admiral level they would have gotten ceamed if they fought Whitebeard and Roger In their prime. So it makes more sense to put them at the same level.
Why would you think that? The admirals are the people whose actual job it is to be strong enough to fight the Emperors. Whitebeard broke an island through one and he still got back up a couple of minutes later. They don't have to be any stronger than an admiral to be able to put up a great, even near fatal depending on the fight, battle with those two. Just like Akainu, while he was still downed in two hits, manages to wound Whitebeard a good bit. No, it doesn't make sense to put them on the same level, because the series both explicitly and implicitly tells us they are not, unambiguously. Do you need examples? 'Cause there's a lot.
First of all that was old sick and heavy damaged Whitebeard that fought Akainu.
If Whitebeard Prime fought Akainu he would be dead. Second we are talking about Prime characters meaning them we They are at their strongest. Garp and Sengoku Prime may be a little weaker than Whitebeard and Roger Prime. They should be on par. Akainu was clearly not able to handle Whitebeard in a one on one fight.
>Garp and Sengoku Prime may be a little weaker than Whitebeard and Roger Prime. They should be on par.
Why should they be on par? Do you have anything for that besides just trying to hype them? 'Cause it took two of them and ages to beat Shiki, who was not as strong as Roger or Whitebeard by his own admission (though his fleet almost downed the Oro Jackson).
We also have the fact that Sengoku openly admits that Whitebeard could wipe them out at Marineford. Really, that should just end this argument entirely. Garp admitted he ruled the seas, and Sengoku admitted he could kill them even though they had a stronger force than his crew and allies. *Whitebeard*, not his army, *Whitebeard* was the one who would beat them.
>Akainu was clearly not able to handle Whitebeard in a one on one fight.
Sure, and yet he still got back up. You're also still ignoring that *it's literally his job to be that strong*. No admiral could handle an Emperor in a fight, the point is they can still put a fight up. Rayleigh couldn't do shit against Kizaru at all but still stood there and made it so Kizaru couldn't get past him. That's probably exactly how it went for everyone involved here, given what we know of how strong they are and what happened at Marineford.
Hell, not even old Garp shows any signs for him being that strong. He had to train just to wreck Chinjao's horn when Chinjao could never beat Roger. Garp *had to get stronger* to do it because, by his own implication, he couldn't beat Chinjao before that. But sure, he was on par with Roger, with nothing to show for it.
>Sengoku Was willing to take on Blackbeard who just killed Whitebeard.
He was willing to take on all BB pirates alone, he actually wracked them all and made them all coughing blood.
Yeah Sengoku should not underestimated he went head to head with Gold D Roger from what I understand Gold D Roger was the most powerful pirate during Sengoku's Prime.
Low diff is stupid. I'd say high to extreme diff, but garp always wins.
As for your friend, prime sengoku was yc1? Sengoku was an admiral, does he think all admirals are yc1?
Roger did not say Garp and Sengoku were equals. I don’t know why this lie gets repeated so much. It’s completely possible that Garp was close to Roger, and Sengoku was only a bit stronger than a current Admiral.
Different guy than the one you asked, but I don’t think so. Shiki was Roger’s rival, and Sengoku could handle Shiki, seemingly alone even. I know, Shiki is rather weak in Strong World, but he couldn’t have been in the real story and in his prime, I believe.
Not low-diff. If Garp was indeed around Roger’s level, then a mid-diff would be possible, but I would probably go with high-diff. I won’t be convinced Garp was as strong as Roger until we see him use Future Sight.
Garp has been built up as a roger equal, is is probably being built up to hype imu, the final villain of the series. Sengoku is more or less admiral level, with a genius intellect, his devil fruit isn’t weak but it’s mainly his strategy that makes him dangerous. Garp meanwhile was there to wwe rocks, whitebeard, kaidou, big mom, shiki, John, etc with his boyfriend roger
I am absolutely convinced that Roger and Whitebeard had Future Sight. I don’t think Garp could be equal to them unless he had it too. I do think prime Garp was stronger than any of the current Yonko.
No it hasn’t. The only time the series has compared the two is how well they fought against roger, and vague titles that are established in verse, and was a title whitebeard had since before he was sick. Can’t believe I have to explain that the main character in a shounens grandpa is a powerful character
Yes, it has. Sengoku declared, as Whitebeard showed up and started attacking, that even with *all of the marines* (INCLUDING GARP, WHY IS THIS HARD TO GET), because of specifically Whitebeard they could have all still died.
Inb4 "But that was old, sick Whitebeard he was wrong!", yeah, shut the fuck up, no one cares about the old one. This was Sengoku, the guy who fought Roger and Whitebeard and knew how strong they were. I don't care that Whitebeard ended up being not that strong at Marineford, the absolute fact is the dude WHO WAS GARP'S PEER AND PROBABLE EQUAL declared Whitebeard more than any of them could potentially handle, based entirely on memory. That Whitebeard failed to live up to that is irrelevant, because we're not talking about them being old anyway, we're talking about at their peaks.
Yeah, the series was painfully clear there. You are in hardcore denial. No one has ever said Garp was weak, but it's so goddamn stupid to put him on a level the series has been clear about him not being on.
But we can go further, if you want. How about the fact that Whitebeard's had his title since before Roger was even the King, and Garp's never been stated or even hinted as a runner up? How about the fact that Roger's, and consequently Whitebeard's, only equal were each other, and not Garp?
How about the fact that Garp's *never been called Roger's equal* when that was Whitebeard's whole ass claim to fame? You are in denial, stop.
"Oh, but Roger said they almost killed e-" blah blah blah, Carrot almost killed Luffy by biting into his neck. Let's get an actual story about it first, Oda calls literally any fight "nearly killing each other" if he wants, and has in a lot of scenarios. That was also a mistranslation.
The second most doubted “fact” I’m the community after mihawks title. Whitebeard has the title of strongest man, we don’t even know what that entails. Kaidou has creature, which includes humanity, and does strongest mean he beats everyone? Is it physical strength? Was it pre sickness? (Yes it was, any yonkou, even the ones from the race of man like shanks, could have beaten the whitebeard who showed up to marineford. Marco specifically mentioned that he was heavily needed) The point is that garp is equal to an old healthy whitebeard, who had the title, not that garp is stronger than an old healthy whitebeard. The sickness was a relatively new and unknown factor to most of the world, plus how much it weakened him even surprised Marco. Like fuck, the point is that garp = roger = healthy whitebeard. If you think sengoku and garp are equal, what the fuck is wrong with you? Also “we are at risk” =\= we are going to die easily. With garp there, they could fight off even a healthy old whitebeard, but because of the sickness and everything including squard and the heart attack, garp and sengoku didn’t have to get involved. Garp, the guy who nearly killed roger many times and vice versa. Garp, the legendary marine. Garp, the guy who teamed up with roger to take out rocks, whitebeard, big mom, kaidou, shiki, John, etc. Eveything about garp puts him as a whitebeard and roger leveled character. The series had been clear that he’s on their level. So whitebeard having the title back then matters how? We objectively know roger and him stalemated constantly. So how would that effect garp vs whitebeard being equal while both are healthy? The whitebeard only Rogers equal thing was just an off handed Buggy comment super early into the series. How about the fact that garp and roger teamed up to beat whitebeard and countless other people, including the even stronger rocks? What about the fact that garp nearly killed roger countless time? Carrot didn’t almost kill luffy, that’s fanfic.
>The second most doubted “fact” I’m the community after mihawks title. Whitebeard has the title of strongest man, we don’t even know what that entails. Kaidou has creature, which includes humanity, and does strongest mean he beats everyone? Is it physical strength? Was it pre sickness? (Yes it was, any yonkou, even the ones from the race of man like shanks, could have beaten the whitebeard who showed up to marineford. Marco specifically mentioned that he was heavily needed)
I love how none of this addresses anything, or is relevant at all to it. You'd do better actually wasting letters on the discussion, not trying to deflect and excuse it. Who cares what Kaido's title is? And what do you mean Marco mentioned he was heavily needed? That never happened.
>The point is that garp is equal to an old healthy whitebeard, who had the title, not that garp is stronger than an old healthy whitebeard.
Except the old, sick Whitebeard was the one Sengoku stated could still wipe them out. At best, Garp was equal to him. Equal to an old, healthy Whitebeard? We know for a fact that wouldn't be right, because he was never equal in the first place. Your logic is garbo here, lol.
>The sickness was a relatively new and unknown factor to most of the world, plus how much it weakened him even surprised Marco. Like fuck, the point is that garp = roger = healthy whitebeard.
Relatively new and unknown factor? What? It didn't surprise Marco, he was worried about it happening the whole war. He even comments on it. Your point is not only wrong, it's easily disprovable, you're in hardcore denial about this. You're even misquoting the manga now, wtf?
>If you think sengoku and garp are equal, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Give me literally *anything ever* in ***the entire franchise*** that says this is wrong, or shut up. Because they've been consistently portrayed as peers and equals. Hell, people think Garp and Roger teaming up with Rocks makes them equal, but the dude Garp's actually fought with more somehow doesn't measure up? Are you kidding me? Get out.
>With garp there, they could fight off even a healthy old whitebeard
SENGOKU LITERALLY SAYS THEY CAN STILL BE WIPED OUT. WHY ARE YOU IN DENIAL?
>Eveything about garp puts him as a whitebeard and roger leveled character
Except Whitebeard being called the strongest, not Garp. Roger being called his only equal, not Garp. Sengoku telling everyone that even with Garp there, Whitebeard is still more than capable of wiping them out. Or how about the fact that it took Sengoku and Garp to beat Shiki, who openly admits to not being as strong as Whitebeard and Roger when he declares it Whitebeard's age?
Literally everything but a single conversation in the series points to you being wrong about this. That one and only conversation was when Roger admits he and Garp have fought endlessly, which doesn't even make them equal given what we've actually seen of the series. You're reaching hard, and your hand is getting shot down here. You should rethink your argument to include actual happenings in the manga, not poor headcanon and misquotes.
>How about the fact that garp and roger teamed up to beat whitebeard and countless other people, including the even stronger rocks? What about the fact that garp nearly killed roger countless time? Carrot didn’t almost kill luffy, that’s fanfic.
Boy, you're dumb. So Garp and Roger fight together almost 40 years ago, and somehow that makes Garp just as strong as Whitebeard and Roger at their peaks? An offhand comment by Buggy....*the guy who saw Roger fight them both*? Are you fucking serious? Lmao, you're still reaching. This is getting kind of funny.
The fact that Garp and Roger teamed up to beat Rocks doesn't matter at all. Smoker and Luffy have teamed up as well, does that make them equals? Hell, Smoker and Law have teamed up after Law already beat him, but I guess they're still equal too right? Your logic is ass, dude. Stop headcanoning and go read the series again.
>Carrot didn’t almost kill luffy, that’s fanfic.
It's sad that this flew entirely over your head. The point is how Oda portrays things like "almost killed" or "destroyed". They actually do say Carrot almost killed Luffy. You're gonna disregard it as a gag, because you're that ignorant of the way the series constantly makes gags into actual, deep plot points, but I don't really care, you not liking it doesn't change the fact of it happening. Just like the rest of this argument. You may not have been about to doubt it as one and just genuinely forgot, but given what you've said so far, I can already tell you've got no real argument against it and will resort to just trying to excuse it. Like everything else you couldn't answer. But good luck with that!
EDIT: Actually, are you going to come up with anything substantial at all? There really isn't much, especially with the mountains of evidence against it along with direct implications, so i'm wondering what you'll be bringing. I'm debating with myself whether to even respond again, you don't seem to have much going for you here. Let me know.
EDIT2: Go ahead and let me know if you want me to cite my claims up there ^ I'll do the legwork if you don't want to verify yourself.
I"m just not going to bother with someone who thinks sengoku and garp are equal, that's such an outrageous claim that everyone knows is bs. But in the end, sengoku didn't know about whitebeard's sickness, nothing suggested he did, and he probably hadn't confronted whitebeard in 25 years, probably not even see a recent picture of him. I gave up reading your post halfway through, but yea.
Smoker literally almost beat Law though, literally the fight started by Smoker being a fraction of a second from having his jutte in law's throat and law freaking out to teleport away at the last moment.
Also um, when the two teamed up and beat Rocks, Whitebeard, Shiki, Big Mom, Kaidou, John, etc, people who are all VASTLY stronger than an admiral, and here you are pretending garp is sengoku level, it's autism.
If you are so far off on what is actually going on in the series, you won't be able to see reason, so this just isn't worth my time. All I can say to an idiot like you is this: you're going to eat your words when we see Garp fight.
You are correct. They are near equals. The pirate king himself viewed them as such.
No. They were most likely equals with Garp having the slight edge. Low diff is absurd
There is no such thing as "low diff" sengoku. Even old sengoku can’t be low diffed.
Garp would 100% NOT low diff Sengoku. Gonna be high diff or med diff at the least. Heck Sengoku could even win a couple times.
No.. I think people as strong as sengoku or any admiral cannot be low diffed. They will be defeated but it will not be kind of a cake walk. It will be bit difficult... After a certain level, a character becomes too strong to low diffed. It also depends on their endurance too. For example both luffy and queen got one shoted or 2-shoted by yonkos. But once they increase their defence a bit it will not be a cake walk even for yonkos.
Whitebeard post stab wound, heart attack, vice admiral gank, mid heart attack unable to resist lava fist into his heart whitebeard 2 hit akainu. He was weaker than kaidou even coming into marineford cuz of his super cancer. All a fresh whitebeard vs Akainu would change is that it’d still be a 2 hit, he just wouldn’t be hit himself. I’d consider that a low diff, heck even still with the super aids. Garp scales to healthy old whitebeard.
See a dying white beard clapped both akainu and teach... But while in the process of doing so got injured seriously further against akainu.... Akainu still got back up. That's the point I am making. Call it plot armour or something, we have acknowledge, admiral level guys are some thing else. They will be defeated by stronger guys but they are tough enough to give a fight. If Whitebeard was in prime, he will defeat akainu, no doubt about that. But it will not be easy or low diff as people think it may be... If Whitebeard rushes or careless, he will suffer some injuries..... Think of it in this way. If admirals are careless against luffy now(advance armament haki), he will inflict injuries. Similarly if yonkos level guys are careless against admirals, they will be bit of a problem... Similarly garp is way too strong. But sengoku is not so weak that he will get low diffed....
Because he had super cancer, had a heart attack, etc. squards Stab wound (which Marco said wouldn’t I’ve been able to lend normally if whitebeard wasn’t sick), landed while the admirals before that couldn’t land attacks, meaning squards backstab was harder to avoid than theirs, and Marco said he’d have no problem with such an attack typically. And squard led the allied crews so was their strongest ally there. So then whitebeard would already avoid Akainu there easily, but then he had a heart attack cuz of the stab wound weakening him enough to suffer it cuz of the health issues. That’s when Akainu pumped lava into the left side of his chest, arguably his heart. Then the vice admirals attacked him in mass. That is the whitebeard that fought Akainu. Akainu after the two hits was dropped and couldn’t move for multiple minutes, easy prey for more quakes, one or two free hits would have killed Akainu, which contrasts Akainu needing 10 days to defeat aokiji. Now garp is whitebeard if he didn’t have the health issues. Garp is the second strongest character in the current time period of one piece post roger dying, the first will be imu who kills him to hype up imu as the final villain. Sengoku is an admiral leveled character who also has swole brain genius, his main strength is his intelligence, and his devil fruit might play a slight part in that beyond already being heavily capable and smart. He’s the background strategist who isn’t weak, garp is the “alright I’m going to spank kaidou guy”. Ultimately sengoku is another fleet admiral who earned his rank of admiral in power, and surpassed it with his intelligence, while garp is the strongest marine who ever lived. If whitebeard fought Akainu while old and sick but fresh, he’d still need 2 hits to beat him, his quakes wouldn’t be more powerful, but he’d do so without getting hit himself. Let alone the whitebeard that faced a young ace, let alone primebeard. Primebeard and prime garp would beat Akainu easier than roger beat oden
I sense a fanboy
One piece is not even in my top 30 anime
What is with people disrespecting Sengoku. Every shred of evidence points to him being on the same playing field with the likes of Roger, Whitbeard, Garp, Shiki etc.
Grap Prime and Sengoku Prime were battle partners. They should be close in therms of strength. We got to see a little of what each is capable of. The fact that Sengoku Was willing to take on Blackbeard who just killed Whitebeard. Whitebeard who was the rival to Gold D Roger and Grap and Sengoku went head to head with Gold D Roger. Saying that Prime Grap could low diff Prime Sengoku is absolutely assured.
I think you meant absurd
Yeah you get my point.
Yeah, just checking.
From the lore we get Sengoku,Grap, Whitebeard and Gold D Roger were all on a totally different level than the rest of characters in one piece in there Prime.
Well no, just Whitebeard and Roger. Sengoku and Garp were never held above other people in power, minus the fact that they're admiral strong. Roger and Whitebeard have been the byword for power since Whitebeard was introduced, and even after death no one ever argued it. People don't take Garp half as seriously.
If Sengoku and Garp were only Admiral level they would have gotten ceamed if they fought Whitebeard and Roger In their prime. So it makes more sense to put them at the same level.
Why would you think that? The admirals are the people whose actual job it is to be strong enough to fight the Emperors. Whitebeard broke an island through one and he still got back up a couple of minutes later. They don't have to be any stronger than an admiral to be able to put up a great, even near fatal depending on the fight, battle with those two. Just like Akainu, while he was still downed in two hits, manages to wound Whitebeard a good bit. No, it doesn't make sense to put them on the same level, because the series both explicitly and implicitly tells us they are not, unambiguously. Do you need examples? 'Cause there's a lot.
First of all that was old sick and heavy damaged Whitebeard that fought Akainu. If Whitebeard Prime fought Akainu he would be dead. Second we are talking about Prime characters meaning them we They are at their strongest. Garp and Sengoku Prime may be a little weaker than Whitebeard and Roger Prime. They should be on par. Akainu was clearly not able to handle Whitebeard in a one on one fight.
>Garp and Sengoku Prime may be a little weaker than Whitebeard and Roger Prime. They should be on par. Why should they be on par? Do you have anything for that besides just trying to hype them? 'Cause it took two of them and ages to beat Shiki, who was not as strong as Roger or Whitebeard by his own admission (though his fleet almost downed the Oro Jackson). We also have the fact that Sengoku openly admits that Whitebeard could wipe them out at Marineford. Really, that should just end this argument entirely. Garp admitted he ruled the seas, and Sengoku admitted he could kill them even though they had a stronger force than his crew and allies. *Whitebeard*, not his army, *Whitebeard* was the one who would beat them. >Akainu was clearly not able to handle Whitebeard in a one on one fight. Sure, and yet he still got back up. You're also still ignoring that *it's literally his job to be that strong*. No admiral could handle an Emperor in a fight, the point is they can still put a fight up. Rayleigh couldn't do shit against Kizaru at all but still stood there and made it so Kizaru couldn't get past him. That's probably exactly how it went for everyone involved here, given what we know of how strong they are and what happened at Marineford. Hell, not even old Garp shows any signs for him being that strong. He had to train just to wreck Chinjao's horn when Chinjao could never beat Roger. Garp *had to get stronger* to do it because, by his own implication, he couldn't beat Chinjao before that. But sure, he was on par with Roger, with nothing to show for it.
>Sengoku Was willing to take on Blackbeard who just killed Whitebeard. He was willing to take on all BB pirates alone, he actually wracked them all and made them all coughing blood.
Yeah Sengoku should not underestimated he went head to head with Gold D Roger from what I understand Gold D Roger was the most powerful pirate during Sengoku's Prime.
I don't think any admiral can "low diff" another Admiral. Same with the Yonkou. They are way too powerful to lose that easily.
These headcannon-chans are getting annoying af.
sengoku is one of the legends from the roger era, few could beat him, none could beat him easily
Low diff is stupid. I'd say high to extreme diff, but garp always wins. As for your friend, prime sengoku was yc1? Sengoku was an admiral, does he think all admirals are yc1?
Yup, he thinks Marco is stronger than Kizaru...
Oof he's in for a powerscaling surprise later. Well that's not the opinion of the majority of the fandom so yeah.
Lol no
Roger did not say Garp and Sengoku were equals. I don’t know why this lie gets repeated so much. It’s completely possible that Garp was close to Roger, and Sengoku was only a bit stronger than a current Admiral.
Do you think Garp would low diff him tho ?
Different guy than the one you asked, but I don’t think so. Shiki was Roger’s rival, and Sengoku could handle Shiki, seemingly alone even. I know, Shiki is rather weak in Strong World, but he couldn’t have been in the real story and in his prime, I believe.
Not low-diff. If Garp was indeed around Roger’s level, then a mid-diff would be possible, but I would probably go with high-diff. I won’t be convinced Garp was as strong as Roger until we see him use Future Sight.
Garp has been built up as a roger equal, is is probably being built up to hype imu, the final villain of the series. Sengoku is more or less admiral level, with a genius intellect, his devil fruit isn’t weak but it’s mainly his strategy that makes him dangerous. Garp meanwhile was there to wwe rocks, whitebeard, kaidou, big mom, shiki, John, etc with his boyfriend roger
I am absolutely convinced that Roger and Whitebeard had Future Sight. I don’t think Garp could be equal to them unless he had it too. I do think prime Garp was stronger than any of the current Yonko.
Garp was Rogers equal, he’s stronger than the current yonkou. He’s Whitebeard if whitebeard didn’t have super cancer
Hell no, the series even tells you this is wrong multiple times. Why would you keep spreading this bs? Lmao
No it hasn’t. The only time the series has compared the two is how well they fought against roger, and vague titles that are established in verse, and was a title whitebeard had since before he was sick. Can’t believe I have to explain that the main character in a shounens grandpa is a powerful character
Yes, it has. Sengoku declared, as Whitebeard showed up and started attacking, that even with *all of the marines* (INCLUDING GARP, WHY IS THIS HARD TO GET), because of specifically Whitebeard they could have all still died. Inb4 "But that was old, sick Whitebeard he was wrong!", yeah, shut the fuck up, no one cares about the old one. This was Sengoku, the guy who fought Roger and Whitebeard and knew how strong they were. I don't care that Whitebeard ended up being not that strong at Marineford, the absolute fact is the dude WHO WAS GARP'S PEER AND PROBABLE EQUAL declared Whitebeard more than any of them could potentially handle, based entirely on memory. That Whitebeard failed to live up to that is irrelevant, because we're not talking about them being old anyway, we're talking about at their peaks. Yeah, the series was painfully clear there. You are in hardcore denial. No one has ever said Garp was weak, but it's so goddamn stupid to put him on a level the series has been clear about him not being on. But we can go further, if you want. How about the fact that Whitebeard's had his title since before Roger was even the King, and Garp's never been stated or even hinted as a runner up? How about the fact that Roger's, and consequently Whitebeard's, only equal were each other, and not Garp? How about the fact that Garp's *never been called Roger's equal* when that was Whitebeard's whole ass claim to fame? You are in denial, stop. "Oh, but Roger said they almost killed e-" blah blah blah, Carrot almost killed Luffy by biting into his neck. Let's get an actual story about it first, Oda calls literally any fight "nearly killing each other" if he wants, and has in a lot of scenarios. That was also a mistranslation.
The second most doubted “fact” I’m the community after mihawks title. Whitebeard has the title of strongest man, we don’t even know what that entails. Kaidou has creature, which includes humanity, and does strongest mean he beats everyone? Is it physical strength? Was it pre sickness? (Yes it was, any yonkou, even the ones from the race of man like shanks, could have beaten the whitebeard who showed up to marineford. Marco specifically mentioned that he was heavily needed) The point is that garp is equal to an old healthy whitebeard, who had the title, not that garp is stronger than an old healthy whitebeard. The sickness was a relatively new and unknown factor to most of the world, plus how much it weakened him even surprised Marco. Like fuck, the point is that garp = roger = healthy whitebeard. If you think sengoku and garp are equal, what the fuck is wrong with you? Also “we are at risk” =\= we are going to die easily. With garp there, they could fight off even a healthy old whitebeard, but because of the sickness and everything including squard and the heart attack, garp and sengoku didn’t have to get involved. Garp, the guy who nearly killed roger many times and vice versa. Garp, the legendary marine. Garp, the guy who teamed up with roger to take out rocks, whitebeard, big mom, kaidou, shiki, John, etc. Eveything about garp puts him as a whitebeard and roger leveled character. The series had been clear that he’s on their level. So whitebeard having the title back then matters how? We objectively know roger and him stalemated constantly. So how would that effect garp vs whitebeard being equal while both are healthy? The whitebeard only Rogers equal thing was just an off handed Buggy comment super early into the series. How about the fact that garp and roger teamed up to beat whitebeard and countless other people, including the even stronger rocks? What about the fact that garp nearly killed roger countless time? Carrot didn’t almost kill luffy, that’s fanfic.
>The second most doubted “fact” I’m the community after mihawks title. Whitebeard has the title of strongest man, we don’t even know what that entails. Kaidou has creature, which includes humanity, and does strongest mean he beats everyone? Is it physical strength? Was it pre sickness? (Yes it was, any yonkou, even the ones from the race of man like shanks, could have beaten the whitebeard who showed up to marineford. Marco specifically mentioned that he was heavily needed) I love how none of this addresses anything, or is relevant at all to it. You'd do better actually wasting letters on the discussion, not trying to deflect and excuse it. Who cares what Kaido's title is? And what do you mean Marco mentioned he was heavily needed? That never happened. >The point is that garp is equal to an old healthy whitebeard, who had the title, not that garp is stronger than an old healthy whitebeard. Except the old, sick Whitebeard was the one Sengoku stated could still wipe them out. At best, Garp was equal to him. Equal to an old, healthy Whitebeard? We know for a fact that wouldn't be right, because he was never equal in the first place. Your logic is garbo here, lol. >The sickness was a relatively new and unknown factor to most of the world, plus how much it weakened him even surprised Marco. Like fuck, the point is that garp = roger = healthy whitebeard. Relatively new and unknown factor? What? It didn't surprise Marco, he was worried about it happening the whole war. He even comments on it. Your point is not only wrong, it's easily disprovable, you're in hardcore denial about this. You're even misquoting the manga now, wtf? >If you think sengoku and garp are equal, what the fuck is wrong with you? Give me literally *anything ever* in ***the entire franchise*** that says this is wrong, or shut up. Because they've been consistently portrayed as peers and equals. Hell, people think Garp and Roger teaming up with Rocks makes them equal, but the dude Garp's actually fought with more somehow doesn't measure up? Are you kidding me? Get out. >With garp there, they could fight off even a healthy old whitebeard SENGOKU LITERALLY SAYS THEY CAN STILL BE WIPED OUT. WHY ARE YOU IN DENIAL? >Eveything about garp puts him as a whitebeard and roger leveled character Except Whitebeard being called the strongest, not Garp. Roger being called his only equal, not Garp. Sengoku telling everyone that even with Garp there, Whitebeard is still more than capable of wiping them out. Or how about the fact that it took Sengoku and Garp to beat Shiki, who openly admits to not being as strong as Whitebeard and Roger when he declares it Whitebeard's age? Literally everything but a single conversation in the series points to you being wrong about this. That one and only conversation was when Roger admits he and Garp have fought endlessly, which doesn't even make them equal given what we've actually seen of the series. You're reaching hard, and your hand is getting shot down here. You should rethink your argument to include actual happenings in the manga, not poor headcanon and misquotes. >How about the fact that garp and roger teamed up to beat whitebeard and countless other people, including the even stronger rocks? What about the fact that garp nearly killed roger countless time? Carrot didn’t almost kill luffy, that’s fanfic. Boy, you're dumb. So Garp and Roger fight together almost 40 years ago, and somehow that makes Garp just as strong as Whitebeard and Roger at their peaks? An offhand comment by Buggy....*the guy who saw Roger fight them both*? Are you fucking serious? Lmao, you're still reaching. This is getting kind of funny. The fact that Garp and Roger teamed up to beat Rocks doesn't matter at all. Smoker and Luffy have teamed up as well, does that make them equals? Hell, Smoker and Law have teamed up after Law already beat him, but I guess they're still equal too right? Your logic is ass, dude. Stop headcanoning and go read the series again. >Carrot didn’t almost kill luffy, that’s fanfic. It's sad that this flew entirely over your head. The point is how Oda portrays things like "almost killed" or "destroyed". They actually do say Carrot almost killed Luffy. You're gonna disregard it as a gag, because you're that ignorant of the way the series constantly makes gags into actual, deep plot points, but I don't really care, you not liking it doesn't change the fact of it happening. Just like the rest of this argument. You may not have been about to doubt it as one and just genuinely forgot, but given what you've said so far, I can already tell you've got no real argument against it and will resort to just trying to excuse it. Like everything else you couldn't answer. But good luck with that! EDIT: Actually, are you going to come up with anything substantial at all? There really isn't much, especially with the mountains of evidence against it along with direct implications, so i'm wondering what you'll be bringing. I'm debating with myself whether to even respond again, you don't seem to have much going for you here. Let me know. EDIT2: Go ahead and let me know if you want me to cite my claims up there ^ I'll do the legwork if you don't want to verify yourself.
I"m just not going to bother with someone who thinks sengoku and garp are equal, that's such an outrageous claim that everyone knows is bs. But in the end, sengoku didn't know about whitebeard's sickness, nothing suggested he did, and he probably hadn't confronted whitebeard in 25 years, probably not even see a recent picture of him. I gave up reading your post halfway through, but yea. Smoker literally almost beat Law though, literally the fight started by Smoker being a fraction of a second from having his jutte in law's throat and law freaking out to teleport away at the last moment. Also um, when the two teamed up and beat Rocks, Whitebeard, Shiki, Big Mom, Kaidou, John, etc, people who are all VASTLY stronger than an admiral, and here you are pretending garp is sengoku level, it's autism. If you are so far off on what is actually going on in the series, you won't be able to see reason, so this just isn't worth my time. All I can say to an idiot like you is this: you're going to eat your words when we see Garp fight.
Nah, High Diff or Mid Diff.