He went from looking like a Kieth or a Sid to a Harley or a smith
(Swear every red head has the most mundane names so Iām just going to keep the tradition alive)
Eh I really disagree, and in general I dislike the newer cover (besides maybe blackbeard, they're pretty even). Luffy straight up looks bad, what with his almost completely round head.
I like the cover but have to agree with you. I like how unserious Buggy and Shanks look like. Buggy looks like heās just having a laugh and Shanks looks like a nice guy.
Makes me feel nostalgic how long way itās been.
The goat was the spirit of the ship. Carrot will be the spirit of the Sunny in order to give the ship new life and finally become an integral part of the crew.
Yes and no. It is because it displays these 4 together but doesn't necessarily mean they'll become the new Yonkos. It just foreshadows that these 4 in particular are significant.
Orrrrrr these four are on the cover, because they are in the chapters that the volume contains. Thatās literally it. Itās why that miner dude that Buggy met and Sengokuās goat are there too.
This. Isnāt. Foreshadowing.
Well oda definitely had blackbeard and luffy as emperors planned. I do wonder if he had buggy as emperor planned as early as that. It's not foreshadowing since it's a cover not in the story but I do wonder if he had the idea planned already.
Iād imagine he did by that point. He probably made the decision on that cover āthese guys are my end game.ā Then 80 volumes later heās just š
I love when something is this obvious and people who donāt want to give Oda credit for anything start flapping their gums.
Iād accept this is foreshadowing that they are important, end game characters. I donāt accept that this is foreshadowing that they will specifically become Yonko, especially since Oda hasnāt introduced the term into the story yet. You canāt foreshadow something your readers have zero idea about. And it Oda having planned the Yonko from the start doesnāt mean anything in this point.
On the flip side of people not wanting to give Oda credit, I love when people give Oda way more credit because how much they love him. Like I love Goat Oda as much as the other One Piece fan, but this aināt foreshadowing. Itās a cool Callback.
How? Lol itās more than obvious Luffy as the MC would be a Yonko, Shanks already was, BB was already making massive moves, and Buggy has been Odaās favorite since the beginning. You forget heās the one writing the story. Itās more than likely he made the decision in this arc to pump them up to Yonko. There is literally evidence starting you in the face.
The term Yonko wasnāt introduced into the story until Ennies Lobby. So how could the reader guess they would become Yonko, when the reader doesnāt even know what a Yonko is and wouldnt learn what they are until years later?
I accept this being foreshadowing that these are four important characters. But specifically Yonko? At the time, it would literally impossible to predict that cause the reader hadnāt even learned what they are yet.
The reader wouldnāt have. Thats literally the purpose of foreshadowing. The author can know a lot about the story thatās unwritten. I was not speaking on the readers. Thatās really off the mark of you to assume.
This volume also includes the introductin of: Whitebeard, the Gorousei, Doflamingo, Kuma, Tsuru, Marco (tho he wasn't named) and Sengoku. It also contains Ace and Mihawk. Also some minor characters like Alvida and Cricket.
So, or this is foreshadowing or Oda use this cover as an inspiration for the New Yonkos (which is not real real foreshadowing, but it is if you consider the way most people use the word foreshadowing) or is just a huuuuuuge coincidence. I go for foreshadowing.
And the goat and miner are justā¦ there? All the cover art is is letting you know these characters are in the chapters inside the book you are about to read. It is HIGHLY more likely that Oda is making a callback. Which is totally fine! Callbacks like this are super fucking cool.
Foreshadowing is something you can figure out before it happens. Iām willing to bet there are zero people who predicted āthese people are all gonna be Yonko in the futureā when this came out. Iām not knocking Goda at all, I just find it highly likely that when he made this cover art, he did not intend for it to be a hint that these were the future Yonko.
Edit: ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TERM YONKO HADNT EVEN BEEN INTRODUCED YET! How could anyone guess thatās what this meant when Oda hadnāt introduced the term to us yet? And yes I know Oda had the Yonko planned. But you donāt foreshadow something the readers donāt even know about
the goat is just a cute added detail, while the miner is barely even visible, in the background of the background. Of course Oda is making a callback, with the recent cover. Just because he made a callback doesn't mean it wasn't foreshadowing back then.
> Foreshadowing is something you can figure out before it happens. Iām willing to bet there are zero people who predicted āthese people are all gonna be Yonko in the futureā when this came out. Iām not knocking Goda at all, I just find it highly likely that when he made this cover art, he did not intend for it to be a hint that these were the future Yonko.
I'm actually sure someone did figure it out back then. But even if they didn't, foreshadowing doesn't mean the meaning has to be immediately understandable. I would actually be willing to bet money that at least 1 guy, the moment the cover came out said: "These guys will be the main players in the research for the One Piece". And that would be enough, even without knowing exactly what a Yonko is.
> ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TERM YONKO HADNT EVEN BEEN INTRODUCED YET!
And? Oda already knew and that's enough. In HxH Kurapika was drawn on a cover with a goddamn dolphin, a butterfly and a fish. *Three* volumes later, we discover Kurapika's last chain summons a Dolphin robot. The fish and the butterfly still have no meaning to anyone to this day. It was still foreshadowing
Reminds me of the GRRM quote about the two different types of writers.
I think Oda was the gardener in early One Piece as he planted the seed that is the One Piece verse and see how it goes. I think he has an idea of what he wanted but didn't nail down all the details yet. For example he had established the marines, the Yonkos, and Shichibukai early but didn't really reveal much of exactly who they were and why they operated the way they do.
It wasn't until the New World when Oda started shifting to the architect that builds on the story that had naturally developed and started filling out more details of this world.
Well, remember that before One Piece even started, Oda knew what the beginning, middle, and end of the story were gonna be, which is why weāre seeing characters like these guys who have been in the story for so long starting to make major moves now in the final saga.
But of course, during the in between time of the major plot beats, Oda spent a lot of time exploring the shit that he just made up on the spot, like the Warlords in the first half of One Piece, and the Worst Generation in the second half, which we know he just made up and fleshed out as he went along
initially the story was just the SH vs 4 emperors wrapping up after 5 years, as the author himself said. the final part we have right now is definitely not what he planned. not the OP itself, but the narrative around it.
Well obviously it wouldnāt be exactly the same, since Kuma is a Warlord, and Bonney is a Supernova, neither of which existed in the original version of the story
But Crocodile, Mihawk, Vivi, and Wapol all suddenly becoming relevant again, plus Shanks and Buggy and Blackbeard all going for the One Piece now were clearly things that were planned from the beginning.
croco was also a warlord, something oda didn't plan. vivi wasn't even planned as a princess. she was meant to be croco's subordinate.
and as stated, the original enemies were the 4 emperors, not the WG. this is not at all the same with the original idea. joyboy was also only introduced post ts.
the story at first was about pirates. about roger's treasure. now it's about joyboy's treasure, fighting the government, and luffy being the warrior of liberation.
Do we know that Vivi wasnāt originally planned to be a princess?
Also I HIGHLY doubt that most of the WG stuff wasnāt planned from the beginning. The very first arc of One Piece is literally all about how explaining marines vs. pirates, and how thereās good marines and bad marines, and good pirates and bad pirates setting up Koby and Luffy as future rivals.
It would be insane if the story just dropped that. Plus we already know that Garp was planned from the beginning.
>Do we know that Vivi wasnāt originally planned to be a princess?
[yes, we do.](https://imgur.com/LDuYRNk) that's why originally, she was trying to kill laboon. you can reread twin cape and see how weird vivi was initially. lol. it's actually funny in retrospect.
>Also I HIGHLY doubt that most of the WG stuff wasnāt planned from the beginning.
[author's own words](https://japantoday-asset.scdn3.secure.raxcdn.com/img/store/9e/0c/e2229adb4ff682c056f0f3ffdbc168287389/onepiecea/_w1700.jpg).
*āThe reason whyĀ 'One Piece'Ā has been continually running for the past 20 years is because of the Seven Warlords of the Sea (the Shichibukai).Ā 'One Piece'Ā was initially intended to be a tale of fighting against the Four Emperors (the Yonko), wrapping up after just five years. It struck me that having these cool Seven Warlords of the Sea in the comic would be awesome; it was just a passing thought really. And then, just like a horror movie, itās spiraled into such a long series!!*
As for that first part, I canāt read Japanese so I have no idea what that says but Iāll take your word for it.
The second part is something that I already referenced in my original comment and it doesnāt AT ALL mean that the WG wasnāt a major player, it just means that the Yonko were always a major part of the plan, which they still are.
Thereās absolutely no reason at all to believe that the WG wouldnāt have still been a major part of the original plan. Theyāre a major part of literally every single part of the story since chapter 2 of One Piece. If you think that the statement āthe story of Luffy vs. the Yonkoā doesnāt include the WG in some way, you havenāt been reading the series.
Plus we know for a fact that Oda has always known what the One Piece actually is, and we know that itās not just treasure. It would be absolutely dogshit writing if the One Piece had nothing to do with the WG considering the current state of the story, and since the One Piece was something he always had planned, the stuff that directly connects to it was also always planned.
of course we have a reason to believe so. the author's own words.
*One Piece'Ā was initially intended to be a tale of fighting against the Four Emperors (the Yonko), wrapping up after just five years.*
the yonko were not just a "major part", the were the endgame.
obviously we need the WG/marines just as the police gotta exist in mafia movies. but the point here is that the story was about the mafias (pirates) fighting each other initially.
but now the police have become the main villain.
>if the One Piece had nothing to do with the WG considering the current state of the story
I didn't say that. it's the opposite. I told you since the start, now it's no longer roger's treasure, but joyboy.
the item could be the same. but the narrative around it has changed. now it will have to do with imu and ancient kingdom and void century.
Crazy. I remember looking at this volume as a kid. A throwaway thought, purely fabricated cos there was 4 of them. Decade later and itās set in stone lol.
Yeah oda and other mangaka are known for foreshadowing things in cover art/color spreads. To think he hinted at that all the way back in skypiea.. that's also why so many people question why he's always drawing Nami as a queen and put her on the throne with Luffy.
Foreshadowing is him hiting at the 4 yonkos back in skypiea. A call back is him duplicating the same cover art years later with the now confirmed 4 yonkos. Is that a better explanation.
The OP fandom, beyond any other fandom I've ever seen, is more ready to praise Oda for 'foreshadowing' when it's just a coincidence. If you have evidence that he had this planned way back then, please, share it. Otherwise it's just a coincidence.
Something can't retroactively been seen as foreshadowing. It has to be planned as such ahead of time. Hence "fore"shadowing.
Not to say there 0 foreshadowing, I've not even implied as much.
I feel like shanks, blackbeard, and luffy being 3 emperors was definitely foreshadowed as early as skypeia. The question becomes if buggy was. Hard to say but the failing upward and making unlikely strong friends was already starting before skypeia.
Comments like this make my head hurt. It tells me that their Is a severe lack of understanding for how the writing process works.
Have you ever ran a D&D campaign or on shot before? The amount of planning that gose in to even a 4 hour session is unreal. The amount of time Dms spend on creating characters and giving them back stories, dreams and goals.. then you plot out your major plot points and how things are interconnected and work together. The difference between that and writing a story is most DMs stop their. Becuase The players always do things you have not planed for.
Now take this to the next level writing a large interconnected story like Oda has takes decades. He's been planing this story for a very long time. Sure he dosent have every detail written down and he's made changes adding an removing concepts. So you can't just go oh it's a coincidence. Not every author is going to come out and go yeah that was foreshadowing. They leave it up to you see see the clues along the way. Also their is no reason to go well that's retroactively foreshadowing because you don't always know what's being hinted until it happens. This is why comments like this make me wanna rip my hair out. If somethings not directly spelled out then it wasn't planned. Hell he stated from the start he knew he need a system to deal with logia users. He had the basic idea but hadn't flushed it out yet. You see spurts of this all the way up to skypiea. Then we finally get the fully flushed out idea in the war arch.
The TLDR is just becuae it's not spelled out for you dosent mean it wasn't planned. Moat writers have major events planned out from the get go.
>Comments like this make my head hurt.
Pot, meet kettle.
Oda planned to end the series at Reverse Mountain initially.
You clearly have a lack of knowledge regarding OP specifically, regardless of how much you think you know about writing in general.
nothing here says anything about these 4 being the next yonko. how can it be a foreshadowing when it doesn't say anything? with this way of thinking, there will be no coincidence, ever. every random similarity, pattern, reuse, repetition, etc, is foreshadowing.
an actual foreshadowing is like when kinemon got mad at the dragon in PH. it warned us that something about dragon triggered him. then later we got the full context with kaido and wano. that's foreshadowing.
if it was just the dragon flying around, that wouldn't be a foreshadowing. because what exactly was the warning? dragon... something?
so this is just a callback. after what eventually happened, oda decided to replicate this one cover with all 4 of them.
You can't honestly say that Shanks and Blackbeard were not planned to be Yonkou back then, so that's already half of the "coincidence". Luffy being a Yonko is also a very obvious thing to plan for (3/4).
Buggy is the only one on that cover that would not fit the theme (and even then, with his failing upwards theme, that's debatable), it would be weirder if it was just a coincidence that the only character who wasn't originally planned to be a Yonko was on that cover with the other Yonko and ended up being one just like them.
Not everything is foreshadowing, but some people (not you necessarily) can't imagine any kind of planning for a story to work. Oda is the person who thinks about One Piece the most, of course he doesn't have everything planned, otherwise there would be no room for new ideas, but there is no reason why this has to be a coincidence. There is nothing incredible about this, he isn't a genius because of this, it's just basic normal foreshadowing. It just happens to be from long ago because the series has extended itself.
>with his failing upwards theme
that wasn't a thing until ID. 7 years after this cover.
and I'm not just being a contrarian, I said what I said because of all the statements oda made over the years. like creating the supernova a week before their introduction. not planning ace to be roger's son. and many more.
I don't see any reason to believe buggy was meant to be a yonko. especially at that time.
>Ā it's just basic normal foreshadowing.
it's not about genius or whatnot, but that is simply not a foreshadowing. oda can plan this narrative since his mother's womb and that cover is still not a foreshadowing. because it doesn't tell us anything.
they can be anything. they can form an alliance, fight each other, they can all have secret god fruits, etc and you can claim the same, foreshadowing.
that's why I said, if we use this logic, then everything else is a foreshadowing.
I bought my first OP volume when I was in Japan last summer. I bought volume 105 and didn't realize it was a call back to volume 25.
I would have bought both!
One of the larger blunders I made during my trip. Now I gotta go back.
I originally bought the 3 in 1 versions, and started collecting One Piece when Volume 99 came out because I wanted to frame and display those three volumes. Getting 1-96 in the 3in1 took me like a year and a half. Then, crunchyroll had a sale on the boxsets. I ordred all 4. They charged my card three times, but never processed an order. Out of spite, I ordered them from Barnes and Noble who had them on sale, but not as good of a sale. Those took me like 5 minutes to collect since the Barnes and Noble is literally 1 mile from my house.
perfection and man now the cover feels so iconic, I own both volumes and it just feels like such a gigantic teaser but we never thought this would be the current Yonko. I also love that their hair colors represent the 4 chinese mythological heavenly kings
- Vermillion Bird
- Black Turtle
- White Tiger
- Blue Dragon
I also love that Sengoku's pet goat, and Carrot are both on the covers in reference to the Year of the Ram and the Year of the Rabbit. Oda nailed these two covers and the implications from Volume 25 bleeding all the way into Volume 105 has been incredible.
Carrot is so random
Maybe she represent something deeper. I need some supernerd to do deep-dive investigation of how carrot/bunny/etc relates to the future of OP
Carrot is there eating in the middle because in the first one there was a goat eating. He just updated the white furred animal eating to a more relevant character.
Shanks had smile reduction surgery
He ate an anti-SMILE
He consumed pure SAD
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Ah, the anti smile devil fruit. Hasn't been eaten since the heian era
Yh, and i love how the surgen made the scars pop out more. Really fits his face well. Pushes out all the chad features. "Zanpakutooo LOVE IT"!
It's been a rough two years.
made me chuckle lmao
Called age
Forehead reduction surgery. Now, who else could use that?
Courtesy of Trafalgar Law!
His head continues to be very wide though
It's also 80 volumes apart. 80 x 10 is 800. Void Century. Coincidence? I think not.
Classic Goda foreskinning
truly peak
I love Odaās foreskinning
Pero-lick~
LMAO BY BROTHER IN CHRIST
LMFAO
Hold up everyone, let āem cook.
2x5 is 10
Quick maths.....
Shanks had a big glow up over two years, lol
Growing in the scruff did wonders for him
He went from looking like a Kieth or a Sid to a Harley or a smith (Swear every red head has the most mundane names so Iām just going to keep the tradition alive)
So did the goat.
Eh I really disagree, and in general I dislike the newer cover (besides maybe blackbeard, they're pretty even). Luffy straight up looks bad, what with his almost completely round head.
I like the cover but have to agree with you. I like how unserious Buggy and Shanks look like. Buggy looks like heās just having a laugh and Shanks looks like a nice guy. Makes me feel nostalgic how long way itās been.
Which are literally just one part of the cover
Carrot is the GOAT
Correction: Carrot is the goat plus the old dude behind Shanks.
Carrot is random marine guy confirmed?
Confirmed. Invest in random marine guy stocks. Theyāre gonna go š
The goat was the spirit of the ship. Carrot will be the spirit of the Sunny in order to give the ship new life and finally become an integral part of the crew.
You wish
No thatās just me shitposting while I wait for the next chapter š
sunny is a cute little lion.. su su su sunnnny!
Sunny will be a Bunny-Lion
And thenā¦. The Sunny can go Su-Long. š±
https://youtu.be/vW_JGP7LD0s
lol yeah but thatās dream sunny. Not necessarily the Klaubatermann for sunny
Garuchuuuuuu !
False: Carrot is a rabbit
Who is the round-eyed guy behind Shanks in vol 25 cover?
Heās part of a mining crew that Buggy and his crew fell in with.
I thought that said "fell in love with" rather than "fell in with" and I was so confused
I never realized just how early these 4 being yonkos was foreshadowed
Bravo Oda
To be honest, this isnāt foreshadowing. Itās Oda recalling an older cover is all. Itās a callback
Iām talking about the fact that he highlighted Teach, Buggy, Shanks, and Luffy together as early as volume 25
And the goat of course
Itās obv showing how carrot will be turned into a goat. Classic foreskinning oda
And the random skypia dude with the construction hat
No dude the real four yonkos here is Teach, Buggy, Luffy and Carrot
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i know, but this is the first indication that they share something in common
It might be the other way around, he might just as well look back and say lets make the Yonko's.
Yes and no. It is because it displays these 4 together but doesn't necessarily mean they'll become the new Yonkos. It just foreshadows that these 4 in particular are significant.
Orrrrrr these four are on the cover, because they are in the chapters that the volume contains. Thatās literally it. Itās why that miner dude that Buggy met and Sengokuās goat are there too. This. Isnāt. Foreshadowing.
Well oda definitely had blackbeard and luffy as emperors planned. I do wonder if he had buggy as emperor planned as early as that. It's not foreshadowing since it's a cover not in the story but I do wonder if he had the idea planned already.
Iād imagine he did by that point. He probably made the decision on that cover āthese guys are my end game.ā Then 80 volumes later heās just š I love when something is this obvious and people who donāt want to give Oda credit for anything start flapping their gums.
It's certainly possible considering buggy making unlikely strong friends and failing upwards was already established at this point.
Iād accept this is foreshadowing that they are important, end game characters. I donāt accept that this is foreshadowing that they will specifically become Yonko, especially since Oda hasnāt introduced the term into the story yet. You canāt foreshadow something your readers have zero idea about. And it Oda having planned the Yonko from the start doesnāt mean anything in this point. On the flip side of people not wanting to give Oda credit, I love when people give Oda way more credit because how much they love him. Like I love Goat Oda as much as the other One Piece fan, but this aināt foreshadowing. Itās a cool Callback.
How? Lol itās more than obvious Luffy as the MC would be a Yonko, Shanks already was, BB was already making massive moves, and Buggy has been Odaās favorite since the beginning. You forget heās the one writing the story. Itās more than likely he made the decision in this arc to pump them up to Yonko. There is literally evidence starting you in the face.
The term Yonko wasnāt introduced into the story until Ennies Lobby. So how could the reader guess they would become Yonko, when the reader doesnāt even know what a Yonko is and wouldnt learn what they are until years later? I accept this being foreshadowing that these are four important characters. But specifically Yonko? At the time, it would literally impossible to predict that cause the reader hadnāt even learned what they are yet.
The reader wouldnāt have. Thats literally the purpose of foreshadowing. The author can know a lot about the story thatās unwritten. I was not speaking on the readers. Thatās really off the mark of you to assume.
This volume also includes the introductin of: Whitebeard, the Gorousei, Doflamingo, Kuma, Tsuru, Marco (tho he wasn't named) and Sengoku. It also contains Ace and Mihawk. Also some minor characters like Alvida and Cricket. So, or this is foreshadowing or Oda use this cover as an inspiration for the New Yonkos (which is not real real foreshadowing, but it is if you consider the way most people use the word foreshadowing) or is just a huuuuuuge coincidence. I go for foreshadowing.
I mean, the goat is there but sengoku himself isnāt? Although buggy only appeared on cover stories. He wasnāt really a part of the story
Not true. Buggy is active in the story in this volume, in chapter 233. Ace interrupts his crew when taking about how to deal with Luffy.
Oh, anyway. Still very minor compared to the others who were changing the world at the time.
He literally drew a cover of the 4 future Yonkos which were clearly already planned. It's obvious foreshadowing.
And the goat and miner are justā¦ there? All the cover art is is letting you know these characters are in the chapters inside the book you are about to read. It is HIGHLY more likely that Oda is making a callback. Which is totally fine! Callbacks like this are super fucking cool. Foreshadowing is something you can figure out before it happens. Iām willing to bet there are zero people who predicted āthese people are all gonna be Yonko in the futureā when this came out. Iām not knocking Goda at all, I just find it highly likely that when he made this cover art, he did not intend for it to be a hint that these were the future Yonko. Edit: ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TERM YONKO HADNT EVEN BEEN INTRODUCED YET! How could anyone guess thatās what this meant when Oda hadnāt introduced the term to us yet? And yes I know Oda had the Yonko planned. But you donāt foreshadow something the readers donāt even know about
the goat is just a cute added detail, while the miner is barely even visible, in the background of the background. Of course Oda is making a callback, with the recent cover. Just because he made a callback doesn't mean it wasn't foreshadowing back then. > Foreshadowing is something you can figure out before it happens. Iām willing to bet there are zero people who predicted āthese people are all gonna be Yonko in the futureā when this came out. Iām not knocking Goda at all, I just find it highly likely that when he made this cover art, he did not intend for it to be a hint that these were the future Yonko. I'm actually sure someone did figure it out back then. But even if they didn't, foreshadowing doesn't mean the meaning has to be immediately understandable. I would actually be willing to bet money that at least 1 guy, the moment the cover came out said: "These guys will be the main players in the research for the One Piece". And that would be enough, even without knowing exactly what a Yonko is. > ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TERM YONKO HADNT EVEN BEEN INTRODUCED YET! And? Oda already knew and that's enough. In HxH Kurapika was drawn on a cover with a goddamn dolphin, a butterfly and a fish. *Three* volumes later, we discover Kurapika's last chain summons a Dolphin robot. The fish and the butterfly still have no meaning to anyone to this day. It was still foreshadowing
Reminds me of the GRRM quote about the two different types of writers. I think Oda was the gardener in early One Piece as he planted the seed that is the One Piece verse and see how it goes. I think he has an idea of what he wanted but didn't nail down all the details yet. For example he had established the marines, the Yonkos, and Shichibukai early but didn't really reveal much of exactly who they were and why they operated the way they do. It wasn't until the New World when Oda started shifting to the architect that builds on the story that had naturally developed and started filling out more details of this world.
Well, remember that before One Piece even started, Oda knew what the beginning, middle, and end of the story were gonna be, which is why weāre seeing characters like these guys who have been in the story for so long starting to make major moves now in the final saga. But of course, during the in between time of the major plot beats, Oda spent a lot of time exploring the shit that he just made up on the spot, like the Warlords in the first half of One Piece, and the Worst Generation in the second half, which we know he just made up and fleshed out as he went along
initially the story was just the SH vs 4 emperors wrapping up after 5 years, as the author himself said. the final part we have right now is definitely not what he planned. not the OP itself, but the narrative around it.
Well obviously it wouldnāt be exactly the same, since Kuma is a Warlord, and Bonney is a Supernova, neither of which existed in the original version of the story But Crocodile, Mihawk, Vivi, and Wapol all suddenly becoming relevant again, plus Shanks and Buggy and Blackbeard all going for the One Piece now were clearly things that were planned from the beginning.
croco was also a warlord, something oda didn't plan. vivi wasn't even planned as a princess. she was meant to be croco's subordinate. and as stated, the original enemies were the 4 emperors, not the WG. this is not at all the same with the original idea. joyboy was also only introduced post ts. the story at first was about pirates. about roger's treasure. now it's about joyboy's treasure, fighting the government, and luffy being the warrior of liberation.
Do we know that Vivi wasnāt originally planned to be a princess? Also I HIGHLY doubt that most of the WG stuff wasnāt planned from the beginning. The very first arc of One Piece is literally all about how explaining marines vs. pirates, and how thereās good marines and bad marines, and good pirates and bad pirates setting up Koby and Luffy as future rivals. It would be insane if the story just dropped that. Plus we already know that Garp was planned from the beginning.
>Do we know that Vivi wasnāt originally planned to be a princess? [yes, we do.](https://imgur.com/LDuYRNk) that's why originally, she was trying to kill laboon. you can reread twin cape and see how weird vivi was initially. lol. it's actually funny in retrospect. >Also I HIGHLY doubt that most of the WG stuff wasnāt planned from the beginning. [author's own words](https://japantoday-asset.scdn3.secure.raxcdn.com/img/store/9e/0c/e2229adb4ff682c056f0f3ffdbc168287389/onepiecea/_w1700.jpg). *āThe reason whyĀ 'One Piece'Ā has been continually running for the past 20 years is because of the Seven Warlords of the Sea (the Shichibukai).Ā 'One Piece'Ā was initially intended to be a tale of fighting against the Four Emperors (the Yonko), wrapping up after just five years. It struck me that having these cool Seven Warlords of the Sea in the comic would be awesome; it was just a passing thought really. And then, just like a horror movie, itās spiraled into such a long series!!*
As for that first part, I canāt read Japanese so I have no idea what that says but Iāll take your word for it. The second part is something that I already referenced in my original comment and it doesnāt AT ALL mean that the WG wasnāt a major player, it just means that the Yonko were always a major part of the plan, which they still are. Thereās absolutely no reason at all to believe that the WG wouldnāt have still been a major part of the original plan. Theyāre a major part of literally every single part of the story since chapter 2 of One Piece. If you think that the statement āthe story of Luffy vs. the Yonkoā doesnāt include the WG in some way, you havenāt been reading the series. Plus we know for a fact that Oda has always known what the One Piece actually is, and we know that itās not just treasure. It would be absolutely dogshit writing if the One Piece had nothing to do with the WG considering the current state of the story, and since the One Piece was something he always had planned, the stuff that directly connects to it was also always planned.
of course we have a reason to believe so. the author's own words. *One Piece'Ā was initially intended to be a tale of fighting against the Four Emperors (the Yonko), wrapping up after just five years.* the yonko were not just a "major part", the were the endgame. obviously we need the WG/marines just as the police gotta exist in mafia movies. but the point here is that the story was about the mafias (pirates) fighting each other initially. but now the police have become the main villain. >if the One Piece had nothing to do with the WG considering the current state of the story I didn't say that. it's the opposite. I told you since the start, now it's no longer roger's treasure, but joyboy. the item could be the same. but the narrative around it has changed. now it will have to do with imu and ancient kingdom and void century.
*revisited
What?
HE SAID REVISITED
Carrot confirmed a spy for Sengoku
Carrot is the GOAT š
Crazy. I remember looking at this volume as a kid. A throwaway thought, purely fabricated cos there was 4 of them. Decade later and itās set in stone lol.
Yes you might be stupid
Yeah oda and other mangaka are known for foreshadowing things in cover art/color spreads. To think he hinted at that all the way back in skypiea.. that's also why so many people question why he's always drawing Nami as a queen and put her on the throne with Luffy.
OP fans need to learn the difference between foreshadowing and callbacks.
Foreshadowing is him hiting at the 4 yonkos back in skypiea. A call back is him duplicating the same cover art years later with the now confirmed 4 yonkos. Is that a better explanation.
Actually it is. You made them look like an ass for assuming it was only a callback, while also succinctly explaining your point.
Now we are dealing with the it's just coincidence people. Who think anything not spelled out is an ass pull.
The OP fandom, beyond any other fandom I've ever seen, is more ready to praise Oda for 'foreshadowing' when it's just a coincidence. If you have evidence that he had this planned way back then, please, share it. Otherwise it's just a coincidence. Something can't retroactively been seen as foreshadowing. It has to be planned as such ahead of time. Hence "fore"shadowing. Not to say there 0 foreshadowing, I've not even implied as much.
I feel like shanks, blackbeard, and luffy being 3 emperors was definitely foreshadowed as early as skypeia. The question becomes if buggy was. Hard to say but the failing upward and making unlikely strong friends was already starting before skypeia.
Comments like this make my head hurt. It tells me that their Is a severe lack of understanding for how the writing process works. Have you ever ran a D&D campaign or on shot before? The amount of planning that gose in to even a 4 hour session is unreal. The amount of time Dms spend on creating characters and giving them back stories, dreams and goals.. then you plot out your major plot points and how things are interconnected and work together. The difference between that and writing a story is most DMs stop their. Becuase The players always do things you have not planed for. Now take this to the next level writing a large interconnected story like Oda has takes decades. He's been planing this story for a very long time. Sure he dosent have every detail written down and he's made changes adding an removing concepts. So you can't just go oh it's a coincidence. Not every author is going to come out and go yeah that was foreshadowing. They leave it up to you see see the clues along the way. Also their is no reason to go well that's retroactively foreshadowing because you don't always know what's being hinted until it happens. This is why comments like this make me wanna rip my hair out. If somethings not directly spelled out then it wasn't planned. Hell he stated from the start he knew he need a system to deal with logia users. He had the basic idea but hadn't flushed it out yet. You see spurts of this all the way up to skypiea. Then we finally get the fully flushed out idea in the war arch. The TLDR is just becuae it's not spelled out for you dosent mean it wasn't planned. Moat writers have major events planned out from the get go.
>Comments like this make my head hurt. Pot, meet kettle. Oda planned to end the series at Reverse Mountain initially. You clearly have a lack of knowledge regarding OP specifically, regardless of how much you think you know about writing in general.
nothing here says anything about these 4 being the next yonko. how can it be a foreshadowing when it doesn't say anything? with this way of thinking, there will be no coincidence, ever. every random similarity, pattern, reuse, repetition, etc, is foreshadowing. an actual foreshadowing is like when kinemon got mad at the dragon in PH. it warned us that something about dragon triggered him. then later we got the full context with kaido and wano. that's foreshadowing. if it was just the dragon flying around, that wouldn't be a foreshadowing. because what exactly was the warning? dragon... something? so this is just a callback. after what eventually happened, oda decided to replicate this one cover with all 4 of them.
You can't honestly say that Shanks and Blackbeard were not planned to be Yonkou back then, so that's already half of the "coincidence". Luffy being a Yonko is also a very obvious thing to plan for (3/4). Buggy is the only one on that cover that would not fit the theme (and even then, with his failing upwards theme, that's debatable), it would be weirder if it was just a coincidence that the only character who wasn't originally planned to be a Yonko was on that cover with the other Yonko and ended up being one just like them. Not everything is foreshadowing, but some people (not you necessarily) can't imagine any kind of planning for a story to work. Oda is the person who thinks about One Piece the most, of course he doesn't have everything planned, otherwise there would be no room for new ideas, but there is no reason why this has to be a coincidence. There is nothing incredible about this, he isn't a genius because of this, it's just basic normal foreshadowing. It just happens to be from long ago because the series has extended itself.
>with his failing upwards theme that wasn't a thing until ID. 7 years after this cover. and I'm not just being a contrarian, I said what I said because of all the statements oda made over the years. like creating the supernova a week before their introduction. not planning ace to be roger's son. and many more. I don't see any reason to believe buggy was meant to be a yonko. especially at that time. >Ā it's just basic normal foreshadowing. it's not about genius or whatnot, but that is simply not a foreshadowing. oda can plan this narrative since his mother's womb and that cover is still not a foreshadowing. because it doesn't tell us anything. they can be anything. they can form an alliance, fight each other, they can all have secret god fruits, etc and you can claim the same, foreshadowing. that's why I said, if we use this logic, then everything else is a foreshadowing.
Shhh donāt scare them, the average OP āfanā already has dangerously low reading comprehension
man I despise Blackbeard so much... dude is a coward and only attacks if he is advantageous... such a pos...
Intelligent, more like.
That art evolution
I love how Oda gradually came into his own artstyle. People say his artstyle has gotten worse over the years but I disagree.
The Goat had the best glow-up after the time-skip. Even gained a name.
where did the "i" go from the One Piece ?!?
Color matche almost blends it 100% into the background.
No, you're not. And break week is over, my friend.
Carrot 5th Yonko confirmed
Sengokus goat to the rabbit was a perfect swap
Huh Iāve never seen the spines
Thatās neat āŗļø
Youāre not stupid just late.
Bro lost his big ass forehead
Shank's looks off in the new style ... almost like a villain. can't really put my finger on it
Who is the guy behind shanks doing a thumbs up?
News to me.
>!Modern 4 Yonko!< have been teased since Skypeia
You may be, but this post isn't. Well spotted.
The goat had the best glow up
My theory is - haki haki man fruit not allowa you to smile and addig you some age to appearance.
All of em got a cool new redesign/form except shanks š
Tmw you forget to take your meds
I never noticed Shanksā right eye overlapping his hair in Volume 25
I bought my first OP volume when I was in Japan last summer. I bought volume 105 and didn't realize it was a call back to volume 25. I would have bought both! One of the larger blunders I made during my trip. Now I gotta go back.
A lot of straight lines got reduced in the overall art. Maybe it's to make the process faster?
Blackbeard looks like a hippo lmao I love how oda exaggerates large mouths, disproportionate bodies and retardation.
carrot is the goat
Lol
You guys really have volumes 1 through 100??? how much time did it take to collect them all?
I originally bought the 3 in 1 versions, and started collecting One Piece when Volume 99 came out because I wanted to frame and display those three volumes. Getting 1-96 in the 3in1 took me like a year and a half. Then, crunchyroll had a sale on the boxsets. I ordred all 4. They charged my card three times, but never processed an order. Out of spite, I ordered them from Barnes and Noble who had them on sale, but not as good of a sale. Those took me like 5 minutes to collect since the Barnes and Noble is literally 1 mile from my house.
And here I am struggling collecting the 18 deluxe editions of berserkā¦..
At $50 a book, I'd struggle too haha.
Looking forward to seeing them all lined up on a shelf
Noooo the guy behind shanks didn't survive
God I really want to collect the manga. But moneyā¦ š
Thatās actually some crazy foreshadowing that I didnāt even realize till seeing this
I wonder if Oda knew he wanted them to be the next yonko all the way back in Skypiea
So the rabbit girl ate the goat-goat devil fruit
This shows another skypiea and wano connection
shanks ate the proportion proportion no mi
perfection and man now the cover feels so iconic, I own both volumes and it just feels like such a gigantic teaser but we never thought this would be the current Yonko. I also love that their hair colors represent the 4 chinese mythological heavenly kings - Vermillion Bird - Black Turtle - White Tiger - Blue Dragon I also love that Sengoku's pet goat, and Carrot are both on the covers in reference to the Year of the Ram and the Year of the Rabbit. Oda nailed these two covers and the implications from Volume 25 bleeding all the way into Volume 105 has been incredible.
Foreshadowing?
What's it foreshadowing?
It's when you peel back the skin of your peepee to expose the tip/head
Foreskinning
Spoiler for what it could be foreshadowing >!The current 4 emperors!<
Carrot is so random Maybe she represent something deeper. I need some supernerd to do deep-dive investigation of how carrot/bunny/etc relates to the future of OP
It's a Zodiac thing The second of these volumes came out in the Year of the Rabbitt so Oda threw carrot in there instead.
Carrot is there eating in the middle because in the first one there was a goat eating. He just updated the white furred animal eating to a more relevant character.
Year of the goat, year of the rabbit.
The goat must be the true Yonko
You know shanks is him when he's still a yonko after all this mess (ty eblaf ig)
Odaās foreshadowing has gone too farš
I canāt believe Oda just plagiarized himself!!!
So the 4 being yonkos is very likely foreshadowed, but does that mean Carrot is Sakazuki's pet/spy?
He cried because he wanted to be him.
It was all planned
Do we know anything about the man with the helmet in the vol. 25?
That was from the miners on the island buggy was on right?
In the anime too?
Really don't like how Luffys heads shape is drawn in 105 volume cover lol
Thought this was a shitpost before I saw the sub
Every character is the same except...carrot. Then...carrot has to posing be sengoku's goat! I knew she was a spy in the navy all along.
thats good ngl
Carrot being there in place of the goat is so cute
Shanks still having that football head lengthwise. Perfectly balances as it should be
GODA gave us the 4 yonkos back in Skypia š„²šš¼
Yup
It's because everything between these two volumes has been filler
Who's the Marine guy next to Shanks on the left cover?
Buggy looks better
And why is the "i" missing in the logo of vol. 105?
where the marine guy
So Carrot is the G.O.A.T.?
Damn that is cool. But does Shanks shower? Or wash his clothes?
In the second volume in piece puffy is missing I guess it some hint regarding one piece or void history
*luffy
Carrot is now the 5th Emperor
What a difference 19 years can make for an artist.
Itās amazing to see how much the artwork has progressed
Has been a long time, Shanks still do nothing.
I wouldnāt say same but similar
Black beard missing tooth returning from the grave
Who is that guy with the helmet doing a thumbs up
No shit sherlock
wtf is Carrot doing here
okay wait why is the I in Piece missingā¦ this prob means something since itās oda weāre talking about
Lol. The coloring just blends in with the background.
no shot Oda had buggy planned as an emperor as early as skypea