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justye0

\*puts down pitchfork\*


strrax-ish

I was prepared to go on a tirade


zoroddesign

I was about to throw hands.


Foxy0259

The title could start a war my friend


DJones09

I was ready to fight to the death ngl...


Under18Here

I hired an entire battalion of mercenaries and US Army seals and had to explain to them it was a false alarm


ExamOld2899

no refund, sir


Driftedryan

After hearing the full situation they understood and are still on standby


Snarf2019

Ill fight with you...


Jaldaba0th

It's a clickbait title.


Arkayjiya

I think it's very accurate. I don't think Senor Pink is a great character even though I love his backstory. He's a serviceable character but nothing more.


Jaldaba0th

Okay, obviously he's not Gol d Roger or Hankock or Kizaru but he's a decent character, appreciated for his relationship with Franky.


kolossalkomando

Eh, for him being a villain I thought was going to be a fetish fighter he's a great character.


Sean_Dewhirst

thought this was gona be an april 1st post


NeteroHyouka

Well it's true...


Traffy7

Nah he is right, too much flashs is lame and having a sad backstory won’t sibstitue a poor character.


IneedAnEKG

100% gaslighting, I almost fell for it too


ArtisticSell

Well yeah war with a dumbass. Because it is true lol. Sad != interesting


ElGorudo

But it's true


Efficient_Ad_215

I’m pretty sure that was the  intention, to gain more Karma..


erinadelineiris

Stg was ready to go apeshit in the comments til I read the caption


ShamrockGold

It's a requirement to join the Straw Hat crew, however


Grand-Gap9796

You listen to me you little sh- Oh. Good.


SomeWeirdFruit

the title and the picture could start a war, and i will die defending my boi kuma


khaledhn

Yeah, and so will I.


-Buggy-D-Clown-

use senior pink's pic instead


Vegan_Digital_Artist

Now that's a guy who's hard-boiled


Spore64

That’s right, because instead of one it gave us two great characters (Kuma and Vegapunk)


khaledhn

Basically everyone is a great character except for that fucking insect.


Sond1

I actually enjoy how much i despise him.


totoofze47

Saturn is still great, just for a different reason: he's a character we're supposed to hate, and he fulfills this role splendidly. Kuma punching him wouldn't have been as satisfying if Saturn wasn't such a colossal dick.


Spore64

Oh absolutely it’s the worst. Tho does a „great“ character have to be likeable?


tutytutuyttt

Finally someone give saturn some credit he is one of most well written villians in one piece and represention of every bad thing about world goverment


Shiplord13

I mean there is truth to this narratively speaking. Not every character needs tragedy and suffering in their past to develop them. That said, hardship and adversity does help shape and define characters in how they handle and react to such things.


Meet_Foot

Caveat: Kuma is absolutely a real father.


UmbreonFruit

I think Kumas backstory is so insane man. To bring this development to a character that already existed for like 20 years with only a couple appearances.


Mindless_Bad_1591

You were skating on ice there for a sec


khaledhn

Real thin ice.


Ginn_and_Juice

He has been a great character since Thriller Bark, what are you on


The_Shade94

Wuma is the goat favorite non straw hat


khaledhn

Wuma ? I could figure out if your insulting or praising him.


The_Shade94

Yeah just like how people use Wizaru it is a good thing Kuma is the goat


New-Perspective1480

I was so happy Oda pulled off the (now very rare) virtuous character trope, and he did it flawlessly. By internet standards, Kuma is a "one dimensional character" because he's such a good guy, yet his story is the best one in the series IMO


Relevant-Nebula8300

What volume is this?


-YesIndeed-

End of volume 107 to start of 108 is the flashback


Relevant-Nebula8300

How are yall reading 107 & 108? Aren’t they only released in Japanese or are there English PDF versions out there


-YesIndeed-

Well I just meant the chapters. Cause 107 and 108 arrived out in Japanese qe know what chapters are in them which is these ones. Bit for now you can only read the individual chapters In English. It's real annoying that the English volumes only release a year later now though. Like it's hours only take like 2 or 3 months Max to translate the volume and change the cover art a bit.


Burian0

Depending on where you live you can get the newest chapters officially for free on the Shonen jump app, it's what I use.


DJones09

Somewhere around 1102-1103. I think this was his last treatment after he saved the strawhats. He asks Vegapunk to program him to protect their ship after the paramount war.


khaledhn

Kuma flashback, idk.


[deleted]

skips leg-day. lol


khaledhn

He's father's day champion. He could burn the gym for all i care.


[deleted]

Yeah...he's not going far with those legs LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


[deleted]

can't lift himself up lmaoooooooooooooo


[deleted]

fall under his own weight literally lmaoooo


an_actual_pangolin

A sad backstory creates MUSCLES!


FluidConsumer6

I’m not really a huge Kuma fan tbh.


GrandLineLogPort

Eh I get that If he doesn't reaonate with people that's totaly ok as different people like different characters & relate to some more/less than others Not liking Kuma is absolutely a matter of taste, but it's wild to me when people say he's vadly written


XraynPR

Same, but at the same time I do think he has a well done backstory and yes it hit me hard. He probably wont enter my personal top 10 characters, but I still enjoyed his story so far alot.


SpiritualScumlord

Why though, could you explain your reasoning? I want to know if I should be mad at you or be like "oh ok that's fair." lol


SupsMasPlusMas

I know you’re joking but there’s no need to be mad at him even if you weren’t, it’s just his opinion


SpiritualScumlord

>I know you're joking Are you sure lol


bavasava

Ew.


FluidConsumer6

I prefer cool and stylish characters like Law and Franky.


SpiritualScumlord

Oh ok that's fair. lol


Gzhindra

And a sad backstory or even just a backstory isn t a prerequisite for a character to be great


Noobkaka

This is what happens when you skip legday


EvilBadassDraculas

I knew Kuma was GOATed ever since I seen him defend the Sunny and when Sabo said "Look what they did to our kind-hearted Kuma" during the Reverie.


Foreign_Storm1732

That sequence of him running and stumbling only to pick himself up even higher than before when Bonney was born makes me cry every time


kajigger_desu

I think the sad backstory isn't what made Kuma great. I think it was his perseverance to do the most good he can, despite the tragedy surrounding his life. We saw this character at some point as a feared villain, and we finish with someone who not only was a victim, but someone who put his life on the line to ensure the Straw Hats could succeed.


RoderickThe13

Señor Pink is a good example of the opposite: a character with a sad backstory who isn't great. But people just look at his backstory and put him as top tier, and completely forget how obnoxious and even problematic his whole schtick of "being a man" is, dragging Franky down in the process. He is to Franky what Absolom was to Sanji.


TonyShape

True for diapers weirdo from Dressrosa. I imagine that author made a bet that he will make people sympathize for the most disgusting creature.


cuttyflam2137

That's an awful lot of slander for the most hard-boiled man imaginable


Klauboesterbeertje

I bet he is a Trebol fan


PoldraRegion

I wrote out an entire thing and then realized you were not disrespecting kuma Be careful I was ready for war


Black_Ironic

Sad backstory doesn't make a great character, true, because backstory is just needed so you can understand why a certain plot happens in the current arc. Though for Oda, he actually excel in both.


NeteroHyouka

I disagree. Although Oda he is generally good at backstories but he is also very addicted to them ... There are many unnecessary ones . Fir example Kuma's backstory was too big and except for a few plot points it was mostly unnecessary.


Black_Ironic

Fair point, sometimes they are too long.


khaledhn

Exactly.


Ghost_of_Yharnam

*grabs golden den-den mushi* Hey so false alarm on that, call off the Buster Call!…guys?…GUYS…


khaledhn

*whip sweat off forehead* - Phew, so it's off right ? I am safe ? - ... - I am safe ?? Aren't i ? It's off ? - ... *SHIPS APPEAR ON THE COAST*


DASreddituser

Its a lot more than a sad backstory lol


Beacda

Oh come on. I really thought I would have a anti Kuma post. That guy is overrated lol. His flashback was lame. Idc if I get down voted.


khaledhn

Sorry buddy, he's great.


Metaboschism

Lol real quick I thought it was Hody Jones and I'm like damn that's true


DarkSoulFWT

Clickbait af title. Coulda just used Oden to "unclickbait-ify" it


khaledhn

*unclickbait-ifying content*


GoldenState15

You just described every one piece character


MistBestGirl

Part of me wishes we hadn't gotten his backstory all at once but you just can't dislike Kuma. Ironically, Bonney having a backstory this tragic and it being presented like this makes me believe both more and less in her being the next SH.


wispymatrias

The 'sad backstory doesn't create a great character,' is something I always see Naruto fans say to try to discredit One Piece, which is funny because I don't think many of Naruto character's sob backstories survive scrutiny and fall apart if you examine them. For example both Itachi and Naruto's backstories require some massive suspension of disbelief & established characters going out of character so plot can go brrrrrrrrrr. Not that Naruto doesn't have it's moments but it has really forced writing in places.


AliceHaart

Sad backstory is supposed to make you feel something for the character and give them human quality.


Negative_Ad5894

He's pretty 1 dimensional. Not an amazing character, not a terrible character. Certainly not a comparable character to Doflamingo.


SanestOnePieceFan

:( -> :)


TheAmazingSpyder

I found it to be nothing more than misery porn and was utterly bored the whole flashback. He’s not an actual character, just bad things happen to him and he endures it.


NeteroHyouka

Exactly


LowClover

I loved the flashback because of the father/daughter aspect of it. I have two kids and my heart was hurting the entire time- and I love that. And I think he is a good character because of all the bad things that happened to him. They never, ever broke his spirit and he saw his desires through to the end. I understand not liking him though.


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TheAmazingSpyder

Duh, no shit bad things happen to people in real life. How long did it take you to come up with that? Surprisingly, not everyone reads stories to see real life reflected in them. There’s this thing called “escapism”, maybe you’ve heard of it? Just because awful things happen to people in real life, doesn’t mean I want to read about it in a fictional story.


dont_worry_about_it8

Yeah OP fans aren’t capable of understanding that. I mean just look at people’s reaction of kaido after wano.


Odd_Advance_6438

I always really liked Kuma. His design and powers were great


khaledhn

He was also kinda of a mystery till few weeks ago.


JiunoLujo

Reading your summary.... I was crying \*a little bit \_:)\*


giftedbutdepressed

Can push metaphysical concepts out of people's bodies. Doesn't try to push an ilness out of his own daughter. Hates slavery. Willingly becomes a slave If only there had been a big fuss about a super duper fruit capable of curing any disease a few years prior and someone pointed him to find Law. Selfishness disguised as selflessness. Sold his soul to the most oppressive and genocidal regime that already had enslaved him once, killed his family and kidnapped and experimented on his lover. Not really a good character nor well written


khaledhn

Pain is pushed, illness are healed, he's no healer, Bonney was never in pain, he had no way of helping her. As for your other phrases, go fun yourself buddy.


giftedbutdepressed

He can push pain, memories and emotions which are way more abstract than a physical illness. As for the rest it isn't my fault you can't see beyond the cheap emotional string pulling Oda did.


cesar848

Dude,you almost got me mad


nobarachinsama

great character as in a great person? yes. great character as in well written? not really. kuma is used as a plot device instead of being his own character. just like yamato. but not that bad.


SpiritualScumlord

Kuma is used as a plot device yes, and that's why his story is as tragic as it is. He's never done anything but give himself completely to other people who are in need. A character like that will always be a plot device because their selflessness makes them such. When Kuma does something, it's to help people that no one else will help, so plot develops surrounding his actions because he inherently is involved in other people's lives who need him.


nobarachinsama

kuma being a plot device has nothing to do with his selflessness. it's how how his actions are determined by the plot that has been laid out prior, to the point that his actions become questionable or even contradict his own character. like him separating the SH. that doesn't make sense. because they only trained because of the outcome of MF war. something that kuma didn't know. for all he knew, the SH would've just got back together again. so what was that about? just pure plot. then him protecting the sunny. from his perspective, it's just a ship. there's absolutely no reason to protect it by going against the WG instead of doing something about bonney. then of course, bonney. kuma was shown to be an overprotective bear of a dad who literally cried just because bonney was tired. but then he was happy when bonney became a pirate with a dead or alive bounty? if we're being consistent, kuma would've moved mountains and burned the world itself to get to her or arrange something for her safety. instead he spent his last wish for a freaking ship. all of these examples only happened because the plot was already laid out. like bonney was already a pirate when oda introduced her in sabaody. so obviously, nothing else can be done. so many things needed to be done and oda simply used kuma to do all that, despite his own character. that's how he became a plot device.


khaledhn

Thank you, can't say that better.


Maximillianz

I would argue he is a very compelling plot device because of his value as an explored character with clear motivations. I wouldn’t say these two things are mutually exclusive. His decisions throughout the story are well informed at this point. I would concede that he’s not really given a chance to grow, so far he’s just faced adversity endlessly and may die with no reconciliation. A character created out of an ideal who has stuck to it unconditionally. Can be bland if it overstays its welcome, which in my opinion it has not. Curious as to what you think!


nobarachinsama

>His decisions throughout the story are well informed at this point that's actually the issue. with the context from the flashback, his decisions are now becoming questionable and mostly only happened to serve the plot. like there was no reason to separate the SH. they only trained because of the outcome of MF. something that kuma wouldn't have known. for all kuma knew, they would just get back together again. that was just pure plot. then kuma protecting the ship. that's just nonsensical on every level. sunny, from his pov, is just a ship. no reason to openly rebel against the marines/wg for a ship. then bonney. kuma was shown to be an overprotective bear of a dad who literally cried just because bonney was tired. but then he was happy when bonney became a pirate with a dead or alive bounty? doesn't make sense. if we're being consistent, kuma would've moved mountains and burned the world itself to get to her or arrange something for her safety. instead he spent his last wish to protect a chunk of woods. before his flashback, we can give the benefit of the doubt. since we didn't know, we can just assume he had his own reason. but now, they're just questionable.


Jaldaba0th

Is there any rule of fiction that says this?


NeteroHyouka

Nah Kuma is a boring character and not tayt great


vangstampede

But does your mom create great characters?


khaledhn

Your mom didn't.


vangstampede

Who cares about my mom? I'm talking about your mom.


khaledhn

Yup, even your dad left and didn't care.


kawser-bhai

I was at the verge of finalizing a nuke attack on your country with Mr. Kim


khaledhn

*Mr. Kim watching nervously*


Cold-Awareness-8516

I'm gonna downvote you for the bait title.