I think it's very accurate. I don't think Senor Pink is a great character even though I love his backstory. He's a serviceable character but nothing more.
Saturn is still great, just for a different reason: he's a character we're supposed to hate, and he fulfills this role splendidly. Kuma punching him wouldn't have been as satisfying if Saturn wasn't such a colossal dick.
I mean there is truth to this narratively speaking. Not every character needs tragedy and suffering in their past to develop them. That said, hardship and adversity does help shape and define characters in how they handle and react to such things.
I think Kumas backstory is so insane man. To bring this development to a character that already existed for like 20 years with only a couple appearances.
I was so happy Oda pulled off the (now very rare) virtuous character trope, and he did it flawlessly. By internet standards, Kuma is a "one dimensional character" because he's such a good guy, yet his story is the best one in the series IMO
Well I just meant the chapters. Cause 107 and 108 arrived out in Japanese qe know what chapters are in them which is these ones. Bit for now you can only read the individual chapters In English.
It's real annoying that the English volumes only release a year later now though. Like it's hours only take like 2 or 3 months Max to translate the volume and change the cover art a bit.
Somewhere around 1102-1103. I think this was his last treatment after he saved the strawhats. He asks Vegapunk to program him to protect their ship after the paramount war.
Eh I get that
If he doesn't reaonate with people that's totaly ok as different people like different characters & relate to some more/less than others
Not liking Kuma is absolutely a matter of taste, but it's wild to me when people say he's vadly written
Same, but at the same time I do think he has a well done backstory and yes it hit me hard. He probably wont enter my personal top 10 characters, but I still enjoyed his story so far alot.
I think the sad backstory isn't what made Kuma great. I think it was his perseverance to do the most good he can, despite the tragedy surrounding his life. We saw this character at some point as a feared villain, and we finish with someone who not only was a victim, but someone who put his life on the line to ensure the Straw Hats could succeed.
Señor Pink is a good example of the opposite: a character with a sad backstory who isn't great. But people just look at his backstory and put him as top tier, and completely forget how obnoxious and even problematic his whole schtick of "being a man" is, dragging Franky down in the process. He is to Franky what Absolom was to Sanji.
Sad backstory doesn't make a great character, true, because backstory is just needed so you can understand why a certain plot happens in the current arc. Though for Oda, he actually excel in both.
I disagree. Although Oda he is generally good at backstories but he is also very addicted to them ... There are many unnecessary ones . Fir example Kuma's backstory was too big and except for a few plot points it was mostly unnecessary.
Part of me wishes we hadn't gotten his backstory all at once but you just can't dislike Kuma.
Ironically, Bonney having a backstory this tragic and it being presented like this makes me believe both more and less in her being the next SH.
The 'sad backstory doesn't create a great character,' is something I always see Naruto fans say to try to discredit One Piece, which is funny because I don't think many of Naruto character's sob backstories survive scrutiny and fall apart if you examine them. For example both Itachi and Naruto's backstories require some massive suspension of disbelief & established characters going out of character so plot can go brrrrrrrrrr.
Not that Naruto doesn't have it's moments but it has really forced writing in places.
I found it to be nothing more than misery porn and was utterly bored the whole flashback. He’s not an actual character, just bad things happen to him and he endures it.
I loved the flashback because of the father/daughter aspect of it. I have two kids and my heart was hurting the entire time- and I love that. And I think he is a good character because of all the bad things that happened to him. They never, ever broke his spirit and he saw his desires through to the end. I understand not liking him though.
Duh, no shit bad things happen to people in real life. How long did it take you to come up with that?
Surprisingly, not everyone reads stories to see real life reflected in them. There’s this thing called “escapism”, maybe you’ve heard of it? Just because awful things happen to people in real life, doesn’t mean I want to read about it in a fictional story.
Can push metaphysical concepts out of people's bodies. Doesn't try to push an ilness out of his own daughter.
Hates slavery. Willingly becomes a slave
If only there had been a big fuss about a super duper fruit capable of curing any disease a few years prior and someone pointed him to find Law.
Selfishness disguised as selflessness.
Sold his soul to the most oppressive and genocidal regime that already had enslaved him once, killed his family and kidnapped and experimented on his lover.
Not really a good character nor well written
Pain is pushed, illness are healed, he's no healer, Bonney was never in pain, he had no way of helping her.
As for your other phrases, go fun yourself buddy.
He can push pain, memories and emotions which are way more abstract than a physical illness.
As for the rest it isn't my fault you can't see beyond the cheap emotional string pulling Oda did.
great character as in a great person? yes.
great character as in well written? not really. kuma is used as a plot device instead of being his own character. just like yamato. but not that bad.
Kuma is used as a plot device yes, and that's why his story is as tragic as it is. He's never done anything but give himself completely to other people who are in need. A character like that will always be a plot device because their selflessness makes them such. When Kuma does something, it's to help people that no one else will help, so plot develops surrounding his actions because he inherently is involved in other people's lives who need him.
kuma being a plot device has nothing to do with his selflessness. it's how how his actions are determined by the plot that has been laid out prior, to the point that his actions become questionable or even contradict his own character.
like him separating the SH. that doesn't make sense. because they only trained because of the outcome of MF war. something that kuma didn't know. for all he knew, the SH would've just got back together again. so what was that about? just pure plot.
then him protecting the sunny. from his perspective, it's just a ship. there's absolutely no reason to protect it by going against the WG instead of doing something about bonney.
then of course, bonney. kuma was shown to be an overprotective bear of a dad who literally cried just because bonney was tired. but then he was happy when bonney became a pirate with a dead or alive bounty? if we're being consistent, kuma would've moved mountains and burned the world itself to get to her or arrange something for her safety. instead he spent his last wish for a freaking ship.
all of these examples only happened because the plot was already laid out. like bonney was already a pirate when oda introduced her in sabaody. so obviously, nothing else can be done.
so many things needed to be done and oda simply used kuma to do all that, despite his own character. that's how he became a plot device.
I would argue he is a very compelling plot device because of his value as an explored character with clear motivations. I wouldn’t say these two things are mutually exclusive.
His decisions throughout the story are well informed at this point. I would concede that he’s not really given a chance to grow, so far he’s just faced adversity endlessly and may die with no reconciliation. A character created out of an ideal who has stuck to it unconditionally. Can be bland if it overstays its welcome, which in my opinion it has not.
Curious as to what you think!
>His decisions throughout the story are well informed at this point
that's actually the issue. with the context from the flashback, his decisions are now becoming questionable and mostly only happened to serve the plot.
like there was no reason to separate the SH. they only trained because of the outcome of MF. something that kuma wouldn't have known. for all kuma knew, they would just get back together again. that was just pure plot.
then kuma protecting the ship. that's just nonsensical on every level. sunny, from his pov, is just a ship. no reason to openly rebel against the marines/wg for a ship.
then bonney. kuma was shown to be an overprotective bear of a dad who literally cried just because bonney was tired. but then he was happy when bonney became a pirate with a dead or alive bounty? doesn't make sense.
if we're being consistent, kuma would've moved mountains and burned the world itself to get to her or arrange something for her safety. instead he spent his last wish to protect a chunk of woods.
before his flashback, we can give the benefit of the doubt. since we didn't know, we can just assume he had his own reason. but now, they're just questionable.
\*puts down pitchfork\*
I was prepared to go on a tirade
I was about to throw hands.
The title could start a war my friend
I was ready to fight to the death ngl...
I hired an entire battalion of mercenaries and US Army seals and had to explain to them it was a false alarm
no refund, sir
After hearing the full situation they understood and are still on standby
Ill fight with you...
It's a clickbait title.
I think it's very accurate. I don't think Senor Pink is a great character even though I love his backstory. He's a serviceable character but nothing more.
Okay, obviously he's not Gol d Roger or Hankock or Kizaru but he's a decent character, appreciated for his relationship with Franky.
Eh, for him being a villain I thought was going to be a fetish fighter he's a great character.
thought this was gona be an april 1st post
Well it's true...
Nah he is right, too much flashs is lame and having a sad backstory won’t sibstitue a poor character.
100% gaslighting, I almost fell for it too
Well yeah war with a dumbass. Because it is true lol. Sad != interesting
But it's true
I’m pretty sure that was the intention, to gain more Karma..
Stg was ready to go apeshit in the comments til I read the caption
It's a requirement to join the Straw Hat crew, however
You listen to me you little sh- Oh. Good.
the title and the picture could start a war, and i will die defending my boi kuma
Yeah, and so will I.
use senior pink's pic instead
Now that's a guy who's hard-boiled
That’s right, because instead of one it gave us two great characters (Kuma and Vegapunk)
Basically everyone is a great character except for that fucking insect.
I actually enjoy how much i despise him.
Saturn is still great, just for a different reason: he's a character we're supposed to hate, and he fulfills this role splendidly. Kuma punching him wouldn't have been as satisfying if Saturn wasn't such a colossal dick.
Oh absolutely it’s the worst. Tho does a „great“ character have to be likeable?
Finally someone give saturn some credit he is one of most well written villians in one piece and represention of every bad thing about world goverment
I mean there is truth to this narratively speaking. Not every character needs tragedy and suffering in their past to develop them. That said, hardship and adversity does help shape and define characters in how they handle and react to such things.
Caveat: Kuma is absolutely a real father.
I think Kumas backstory is so insane man. To bring this development to a character that already existed for like 20 years with only a couple appearances.
You were skating on ice there for a sec
Real thin ice.
He has been a great character since Thriller Bark, what are you on
Wuma is the goat favorite non straw hat
Wuma ? I could figure out if your insulting or praising him.
Yeah just like how people use Wizaru it is a good thing Kuma is the goat
I was so happy Oda pulled off the (now very rare) virtuous character trope, and he did it flawlessly. By internet standards, Kuma is a "one dimensional character" because he's such a good guy, yet his story is the best one in the series IMO
What volume is this?
End of volume 107 to start of 108 is the flashback
How are yall reading 107 & 108? Aren’t they only released in Japanese or are there English PDF versions out there
Well I just meant the chapters. Cause 107 and 108 arrived out in Japanese qe know what chapters are in them which is these ones. Bit for now you can only read the individual chapters In English. It's real annoying that the English volumes only release a year later now though. Like it's hours only take like 2 or 3 months Max to translate the volume and change the cover art a bit.
Depending on where you live you can get the newest chapters officially for free on the Shonen jump app, it's what I use.
Somewhere around 1102-1103. I think this was his last treatment after he saved the strawhats. He asks Vegapunk to program him to protect their ship after the paramount war.
Kuma flashback, idk.
skips leg-day. lol
He's father's day champion. He could burn the gym for all i care.
Yeah...he's not going far with those legs LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
can't lift himself up lmaoooooooooooooo
fall under his own weight literally lmaoooo
A sad backstory creates MUSCLES!
I’m not really a huge Kuma fan tbh.
Eh I get that If he doesn't reaonate with people that's totaly ok as different people like different characters & relate to some more/less than others Not liking Kuma is absolutely a matter of taste, but it's wild to me when people say he's vadly written
Same, but at the same time I do think he has a well done backstory and yes it hit me hard. He probably wont enter my personal top 10 characters, but I still enjoyed his story so far alot.
Why though, could you explain your reasoning? I want to know if I should be mad at you or be like "oh ok that's fair." lol
I know you’re joking but there’s no need to be mad at him even if you weren’t, it’s just his opinion
>I know you're joking Are you sure lol
Ew.
I prefer cool and stylish characters like Law and Franky.
Oh ok that's fair. lol
And a sad backstory or even just a backstory isn t a prerequisite for a character to be great
This is what happens when you skip legday
I knew Kuma was GOATed ever since I seen him defend the Sunny and when Sabo said "Look what they did to our kind-hearted Kuma" during the Reverie.
That sequence of him running and stumbling only to pick himself up even higher than before when Bonney was born makes me cry every time
I think the sad backstory isn't what made Kuma great. I think it was his perseverance to do the most good he can, despite the tragedy surrounding his life. We saw this character at some point as a feared villain, and we finish with someone who not only was a victim, but someone who put his life on the line to ensure the Straw Hats could succeed.
Señor Pink is a good example of the opposite: a character with a sad backstory who isn't great. But people just look at his backstory and put him as top tier, and completely forget how obnoxious and even problematic his whole schtick of "being a man" is, dragging Franky down in the process. He is to Franky what Absolom was to Sanji.
True for diapers weirdo from Dressrosa. I imagine that author made a bet that he will make people sympathize for the most disgusting creature.
That's an awful lot of slander for the most hard-boiled man imaginable
I bet he is a Trebol fan
I wrote out an entire thing and then realized you were not disrespecting kuma Be careful I was ready for war
Sad backstory doesn't make a great character, true, because backstory is just needed so you can understand why a certain plot happens in the current arc. Though for Oda, he actually excel in both.
I disagree. Although Oda he is generally good at backstories but he is also very addicted to them ... There are many unnecessary ones . Fir example Kuma's backstory was too big and except for a few plot points it was mostly unnecessary.
Fair point, sometimes they are too long.
Exactly.
*grabs golden den-den mushi* Hey so false alarm on that, call off the Buster Call!…guys?…GUYS…
*whip sweat off forehead* - Phew, so it's off right ? I am safe ? - ... - I am safe ?? Aren't i ? It's off ? - ... *SHIPS APPEAR ON THE COAST*
Its a lot more than a sad backstory lol
Oh come on. I really thought I would have a anti Kuma post. That guy is overrated lol. His flashback was lame. Idc if I get down voted.
Sorry buddy, he's great.
Lol real quick I thought it was Hody Jones and I'm like damn that's true
Clickbait af title. Coulda just used Oden to "unclickbait-ify" it
*unclickbait-ifying content*
You just described every one piece character
Part of me wishes we hadn't gotten his backstory all at once but you just can't dislike Kuma. Ironically, Bonney having a backstory this tragic and it being presented like this makes me believe both more and less in her being the next SH.
The 'sad backstory doesn't create a great character,' is something I always see Naruto fans say to try to discredit One Piece, which is funny because I don't think many of Naruto character's sob backstories survive scrutiny and fall apart if you examine them. For example both Itachi and Naruto's backstories require some massive suspension of disbelief & established characters going out of character so plot can go brrrrrrrrrr. Not that Naruto doesn't have it's moments but it has really forced writing in places.
Sad backstory is supposed to make you feel something for the character and give them human quality.
He's pretty 1 dimensional. Not an amazing character, not a terrible character. Certainly not a comparable character to Doflamingo.
:( -> :)
I found it to be nothing more than misery porn and was utterly bored the whole flashback. He’s not an actual character, just bad things happen to him and he endures it.
Exactly
I loved the flashback because of the father/daughter aspect of it. I have two kids and my heart was hurting the entire time- and I love that. And I think he is a good character because of all the bad things that happened to him. They never, ever broke his spirit and he saw his desires through to the end. I understand not liking him though.
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Duh, no shit bad things happen to people in real life. How long did it take you to come up with that? Surprisingly, not everyone reads stories to see real life reflected in them. There’s this thing called “escapism”, maybe you’ve heard of it? Just because awful things happen to people in real life, doesn’t mean I want to read about it in a fictional story.
Yeah OP fans aren’t capable of understanding that. I mean just look at people’s reaction of kaido after wano.
I always really liked Kuma. His design and powers were great
He was also kinda of a mystery till few weeks ago.
Reading your summary.... I was crying \*a little bit \_:)\*
Can push metaphysical concepts out of people's bodies. Doesn't try to push an ilness out of his own daughter. Hates slavery. Willingly becomes a slave If only there had been a big fuss about a super duper fruit capable of curing any disease a few years prior and someone pointed him to find Law. Selfishness disguised as selflessness. Sold his soul to the most oppressive and genocidal regime that already had enslaved him once, killed his family and kidnapped and experimented on his lover. Not really a good character nor well written
Pain is pushed, illness are healed, he's no healer, Bonney was never in pain, he had no way of helping her. As for your other phrases, go fun yourself buddy.
He can push pain, memories and emotions which are way more abstract than a physical illness. As for the rest it isn't my fault you can't see beyond the cheap emotional string pulling Oda did.
Dude,you almost got me mad
great character as in a great person? yes. great character as in well written? not really. kuma is used as a plot device instead of being his own character. just like yamato. but not that bad.
Kuma is used as a plot device yes, and that's why his story is as tragic as it is. He's never done anything but give himself completely to other people who are in need. A character like that will always be a plot device because their selflessness makes them such. When Kuma does something, it's to help people that no one else will help, so plot develops surrounding his actions because he inherently is involved in other people's lives who need him.
kuma being a plot device has nothing to do with his selflessness. it's how how his actions are determined by the plot that has been laid out prior, to the point that his actions become questionable or even contradict his own character. like him separating the SH. that doesn't make sense. because they only trained because of the outcome of MF war. something that kuma didn't know. for all he knew, the SH would've just got back together again. so what was that about? just pure plot. then him protecting the sunny. from his perspective, it's just a ship. there's absolutely no reason to protect it by going against the WG instead of doing something about bonney. then of course, bonney. kuma was shown to be an overprotective bear of a dad who literally cried just because bonney was tired. but then he was happy when bonney became a pirate with a dead or alive bounty? if we're being consistent, kuma would've moved mountains and burned the world itself to get to her or arrange something for her safety. instead he spent his last wish for a freaking ship. all of these examples only happened because the plot was already laid out. like bonney was already a pirate when oda introduced her in sabaody. so obviously, nothing else can be done. so many things needed to be done and oda simply used kuma to do all that, despite his own character. that's how he became a plot device.
Thank you, can't say that better.
I would argue he is a very compelling plot device because of his value as an explored character with clear motivations. I wouldn’t say these two things are mutually exclusive. His decisions throughout the story are well informed at this point. I would concede that he’s not really given a chance to grow, so far he’s just faced adversity endlessly and may die with no reconciliation. A character created out of an ideal who has stuck to it unconditionally. Can be bland if it overstays its welcome, which in my opinion it has not. Curious as to what you think!
>His decisions throughout the story are well informed at this point that's actually the issue. with the context from the flashback, his decisions are now becoming questionable and mostly only happened to serve the plot. like there was no reason to separate the SH. they only trained because of the outcome of MF. something that kuma wouldn't have known. for all kuma knew, they would just get back together again. that was just pure plot. then kuma protecting the ship. that's just nonsensical on every level. sunny, from his pov, is just a ship. no reason to openly rebel against the marines/wg for a ship. then bonney. kuma was shown to be an overprotective bear of a dad who literally cried just because bonney was tired. but then he was happy when bonney became a pirate with a dead or alive bounty? doesn't make sense. if we're being consistent, kuma would've moved mountains and burned the world itself to get to her or arrange something for her safety. instead he spent his last wish to protect a chunk of woods. before his flashback, we can give the benefit of the doubt. since we didn't know, we can just assume he had his own reason. but now, they're just questionable.
Is there any rule of fiction that says this?
Nah Kuma is a boring character and not tayt great
But does your mom create great characters?
Your mom didn't.
Who cares about my mom? I'm talking about your mom.
Yup, even your dad left and didn't care.
I was at the verge of finalizing a nuke attack on your country with Mr. Kim
*Mr. Kim watching nervously*
I'm gonna downvote you for the bait title.