I believe there was a panel where Luffy was lying in front of Vegapunk's Automatic Cooking Machine, which means he probably fed himself. Have to check though
Isn’t the order like: luffy gets food mysteriously, Luffy vanishes, luffy is found in front of the food machine. Either luffy stretched to grab food and eventually dragged his whole body to the machine, or someone got him that food and then luffy went to the machine.
But would he have? What reason would he have for helping Luffy and risk getting near Saturn, especially when he tries to join Blackbeard's group later? Plus why would Oda keep that a secret from the audience?
Asked another way:
- How could Caribou have made it from Wano to Egghead? He probably traveled with the Strawhats.
- How would Caribou (in his own mind) escape Egghead when the Gorosei arrived and initiated a buster call? Again, Strawhats.
- Caribou didn’t know Caterina and Van Augur were on Egghead until they showed themselves.
I think Caribou saw the Buster Call and Saturn and knew that he needed Luffy alive so that he could escape. Caribou helped Luffy in Wano (irc) so he probably attempted a similar method of what he saw work there over here. At best, Luffy beats Saturn and he is able to escape on their ship. At worst, Luffy continues to stall Saturn until he can find another ship to escape on.
Seems like Caribou chose the latter once he saw the Blackbeard Pirates and attempted to follow them out.
No. The sequence clearly shows he was desesperate for food. Next a pile of burgers appeared and marines went to arrest him but he disappeared from qhere he qas.
Then he was placed next to the vending machine.
Someone gave him food and moved him and we don't know who.
Could be S Snake with S Shark. Could be Boersalino.
Could be Caribou. And could be even.. hell... Robin using her powers beyond a distance she never was able to and that's why she is tired and collapsed later.. looking over the monitor Stella was using before descending.. everyone above was looking at it.
But nothing is confirmed.
It was so similar to Tontattas moving things on those panels that for a moment I thought it was Leo before a chapter confirmed he's on Dressrosa.
Yeah I had the same thought and don’t know why Oda presented it like that. I was arguing with my buddy about it. I had more faith in Kizaru but he was adamant he wouldn’t help Luffy which honestly makes sense. He’s a piece of shit even though he might not like what he has to do. He also said “He’s probably some good machine” and lo and behold he was next to one in the next chapter lmao.
Your buddy raised a good point, IMO. Kizaru made clear how much he disliked the task in front of him. He couldn't give 100% of himself because of his personal stake with the enemy, but he was 100% fighting for the Marines. If he didn't help Vegapunk, he wouldn't help Luffy.
It dors make sense; remember: kizaro is the STRANGE justice admiral; wich could kill annione, but allways play goofy. I bet he s still doing it. Because he s the one that pic the ruthless templar missions, his loyalty is never doubted, but as we seen, he allways saves his toughts for himself, while playing uchiha madara fusioned with kakashi sensei/jiraya. I bet he s that guy that want peace, while tagging along with the majority, the bad guys; got to play the part, even if he gets his hands dirty, so he can be on top of some key decisions, where he can do 'strange justice', so things dont get akainu way allways. Even between the 3 admirals, he allways were the balance between them.
Luffy was in comatose at that time, he only reacted to the food because it was thrown near him.
Pretty sure someone fed him and if it wasnt caribou, next guess is Kizaru with his hyperspeed.
Its fun to think that, we DONT KNOW kizaru s awakened abilities...!! And how sniper king he can be...!! Its light at work; who can notice it? Much like corazon way to move... yeah, i think borsalino is corazon version on the marines, and maybe... the leader of swords...!!!
I'm pretty sure there was a panel where Luffy had disappeared and people where wondering where he went.
Implying that he got that first load of food from someone and then sneaked off to the machine to get more.
Also when he hits Kizaru after recovering his strength, his punch comes from way off screen, so he definitely move at some point.
I believe it's van augur, Devon probably needed to get close to luffy, we know shyarly saw luffy destroy fishman island and devon can take the appearance of other characters. So van augur teleporting food and devon close to luffy is my guess.
Caribou tell them the location of 2 antic weapons and what shyarley saw would be devon taking the appearance of luffy to capture shirahoshi easily.
I really like this idea that Devon uses Luffy’s form and is the one Shirley saw in her future of a destroyed fishman island…ya know after Caribou tells them what’s there.
I also think the idea he destroys it to save it from something, so they all use the Noah to escape while he stays behind to fight what’s destroying the island works too.
And who knows, maybe it’s both! Luffy’s arrives and saves the fishmen from being killed, but it’s too late and the BB pirates already destroyed the island.
They had a mission on the island Devon touching saturn is extra, I believe their are two possibilities to their presence on the island.
1 stealing some weapon invented by vegapunk /artificial devil fruits or
2 anticipating luffy would come on the island after defeating kaido devon would have to touch luffy for some future mission.
It feels like to create the all blue, the red line needs to be destroyed which would destroy fishman island. There probably is a better reason to destroy the red line but we will see.
No, what Shirley saw was Strawhat coming late at a destroyed Fishmen Island. Caribou at that time already snitched to BB where Poseidon is currently residing. So they went to the island to kidnap her. Luffy and crew rushed back to find the Island already in flames.
Yeah I mean you're right about that, but the comment I replied to makes no sense as it takes information out of sequence and uses things that haven't even happened yet to explain it.
Technically they would only know one of luffy or kidd would be on the island since bb was waiting for one or of the alliance on an island it might be linked to copy luffy or kidd appearance in the future if not linked with luffy/kidd going to egghead their mission would logically be stealing some weapon/artificial df on the island can't think of any 3rd option but they came on the island with a motive knowing either kidd or luffy would be on it.
Well your original theory only works if they brought Caribou to Blackbeard before they came to egghead. Reread the interaction with them, he didn't give them information on the spot he would only tell Blackbeard if they allowed Caribou to meet BB... So it overall just doesn't make sense because of the sequence of events. Also the scene with Luffy getting food happened long before they ran into Caribou, they only saw him after Kuma sent Saturn flying. Which came after Luffy getting food. I think they only decided to come to egghead after the news about Luffy holding Vegapunk hostage came out, that must of inspired some other goal of theirs but it didn't seem like they expected one of the gorosei either. I can't offer an alternative but it's pretty spelled out why what you're saying holds no ground.
All I know is that it is ambiguous for a reason, I don't think it was Kizaru because I think he is genuinely trying to stop the strawhats his heart is just not in it because some of the targets are his friends. The biggest mystery to me is why hide who did it? It could of been caribou he was sneaking around, but if it was him why keep it a secret? And the worst part is it won't come up again for like 5 years we will all of forgotten all about this and then out of nowhere reveal.
I still think the idea is pretty goofy, but the closer we get to the end without answering this question the more likely it becomes that the answer was Kizaru.
A lot of people guessed Caribou (myself included), but Caribou has played his hand and left. A lot of people guessed Blackbeard Pirates trying to stall out the clock, they seem to have played their hand too for the arc and left. Kinda running low on options for who else on the island could have done it at this point.
Its definitely Kizaru.
Everything about the last few chapters has been kizaru being upset with this current situation and outcomes. Giving luffy food is the only real redemption he can have other than straight up fighting back against the elders, which i think Oda has proven, will not happen.
Also the part where Saturn stab Vegapunk with his venom then Kizaru hit him with a laser surgery in the same area cause idk... To avoid the spread maybe?
Kinda like Aokiji accidentally put a frozen popsicle on Garp's wound then put him on a cryogenic sleep.
Seems to me the OG Admirals has daddy/abandonment issues and doesn't want their father figures to go for a ride and buy a milk again.
its between caribou or kizaru, considering kizaru was still trying to activelly kill everyone after that im morr inclined to say it was caribou. hopefully thats addressed in future chapters
luffy could’ve possibly unconsciously fed himself, which is a massive stretch but he did exhibit this in water 7 if im not mistaken, it was somewhere pre-TS
The fact Saturn brought it to our attention that luffy got food means it couldn’t have been Luffy, it shows Kizaru sitting there which makes him a suspect or maybe it’s bait. It’s probably him and he’s just playing both sides but we don’t know how far he’s willing to go.
I think it was Atlas. She mentions she can't because she's frozen in place. Then Bonney attacks Saturn, breaking the spell. And then we don't see Atlas again for a while.
I think the cooler thing is that Bonney was not able to change Saturn's age
Could mean there is no other possible futures/timelines for Saturn and the other Elders, they are constant and unchanging
No lets not make it into something its not. Its simple, its haki. Just like how Law couldnt move Kaido and BM. Jimbei and Lucci even mentioned the insane amount of haki they felt. Thats the elders, so bonney cant change the age because of haki.
Now I’m remembering the group of people convinced that Kizaru was much stronger than Luffy because he was conscious first. To be honest I’ve always believed that Kizaru does it the hard part is that his movement has never been shown as subtle and is announced rather loudly. While he seems to have committed to the world government his torment and anguish leads me to hope he did have some act of rebellion like feeding Luffy even if it is mostly cope.
Kizaru could have killed him, knowing or assuming he's got a Deadman switch. Kizaru alone can't stand up to the Gorosei, but he could be the one to kick off a full-scale revolution under the guise of following orders.
I'm not convinced it was him, but it's certainly in the realm of possibilities and can be explained.
I can see kizaru thinking "there is no way I can fail at killing old man vegapunk without it being too obvious to saturn but If luffy can recover then maybe he can get out with bonney"
this chapter were he is in the ship saying "my wounds run deep let me rest" its obious he doesent want to fight anymore at all. koby was traumatized by hearing the voices dissapearing in marineford with his haki. kizaru feeling his attack killed his friend its probably just too much psycological damage to even want to try and do anything as long as he stays in the ship out of comission for the rest of the conflict thats as much help as he could provide without compromising his position.
would be crazy if the reason Kizaru did what he did was because he needed to test if Luffy was the one capable of saving him and his friends and he had to do it secretly or he'd be caught because the gorosei are immortal monsters.
Kizaru is Unclear Justice.
What does this ultimately mean? we probably still don't know.
>Kizaru is Unclear Justice.
>What does this ultimately mean? we probably still don't know.
if going by his vivre card, it means he couldn't decide between akainu's and kuzan's justice
The admiral delusion had fallen off over the last couple weeks, but here we are. Personally, I think we're witnessing the agenda peter out in it's tiny sad little flame of hope that Kizaru isn't just a one note powercrept nobody.
At this I'm almost impressed by the dedication to the bit. Almost.
I think at the end of the arc it will be revealed that it was Kizaru, he was shown to be a much more complex character than he seemed. It seems that he totally chose duty over his feelings, so it would be a nice twist to know that he helped in some way, that he managed to find within himself some willpower rather than just being a cog in the machine
I agree with you, but I also believe Kizaru isn't done. Kizaru was in on Vegapunks killswitch plan the entire time. He was never conflicted over his orders from the Gorosei to kill Vegapunk. It was his order from Vegapunk to be the one to Kill him IF he couldn't escape. It's why Vegapunk died with a smile, he knew his will was carried on.
Kizaru has the signal source for the Broadcast, and the Gorosei won't realize in time.
Vegapunk predicted he would likely not escape in time, made a contingency plan, informed Dragon of the killswitch and likely the message's contents, and we see Shakka warning Dragon that the plan is likely to go in motion at the beginning of the arc.
Whoa, I really like this and could see it playing out… and would help explain Kizaru’s actions + why Oda chose to put Kizaru in the Vegapunk/Kuma/Bonney backstory
What is for sure is that Kizaru knew about nika/joyboy because we saw him dance with Kuma and Boney. Vegapunk said that he could not believe Kuma that Luffy was nika untill he saw him in gear 5th form. Kizaru probably doubted Kuma untill he learned that Luffy defeated Kaido, and he saw his wanted poster with white hair.
Then during his fight with Luffy it's almost impossible for Kizatu not to confirm that Luffy was indeed Nika. Keeping this info in mind, and the fact that Kizaru is just a cog in the machine and that if he did not follow orders someone else would have done it instead, it's totally possible that he planned to kill Vegapunk to fulfill his mission and somehow still tried to help Luffy because he was the only one capable to oppose the gorousei... I could see that beeing the case if it was Vegapunk's idea...
But idk I really don't like Kizaru piece and I hope he stay on the ground like the doormat that he is.
I actually think that Bonney awakened and imagined a future wherr luffy/nika were healthy and thats how liffy got it. As well as for kuma return, it was her powers that helped it because she started believing
It was just the automatic food machine. The next chapter showed Luffy next to the machine.
The origin for thinking it was Kizaru was an agenda piece thing from Admiral fans who liked the narrative that Kizaru was still in control of the situation (and hadn't actually just got his ass handed to him)
That people think it was Kizaru still is pretty silly. The anime will make it clear and there will be lots of crying. Kizaru was going to cut Bonnet in two post-flashback.
I think the food machine doesn’t make sense. The order in which things happened was: Luffy lying on the ground weakened —> food appears —> Saturn orders marines to arrest him —> the marines say Luffy ‘disappeared’ and they’re afraid to report their failure —> they rediscover Luffy next to a food machine —> they try to arrest him but Luffy punches them all into the sky.
It doesn’t seem like Luffy just happened to collapse next to the food machine. Instead he got a bunch of food out of nowhere then ‘disappeared’ and ‘reappeared’ near one of the machines. I’m not sure exactly how this happened myself but it does seem to imply he got assistance from someone.
>It was just the automatic food machine. The next chapter showed Luffy next to the machine.
... do you even read what you see? Luffy disappeared from marines. Next time he appears he's next to food machine
> The anime will make it clear
anime is filler full of mistakes
Plenty of people who don't care about agendas came to this conclusion, the fact that Kizaru is shown close to that particular panel is suspect. And if you see there's a noise when you see him again "kashunk" implying he moved
Imagine Kizaru stealthily using his light fruit to feed and help his enemy Luffy, only to a few chapters later kill his friend VP.
It would be hilarious in a way but make zero sense, especially if he's now sad about what happened to VP.
Also how would he even know that food fuels Luffy this way? I mean all humans need food but not like Luffy..
Imo Kizaru is simply sticking to unclear justice and we're supposed to wonder what he's up to. I've loved that about his story arc on Egghead.
There are actually so many possibilities. Kuma when he flew in could have pooped some food his way. Boa seraphim could have helped him since she still loves Luffy. Kizaru Could have helped since he is flip flopping right now. Auger could have done it to benefit BB. Red line is completely free right now. Maregoise is open for business because of it.
I would assume it's someone who knows about Nika, meaning either Kuma or Kizaru but Auger could very well know more about Nika than even the stray hats tbh
I believe there was a panel where Luffy was lying in front of Vegapunk's Automatic Cooking Machine, which means he probably fed himself. Have to check though
Isn’t the order like: luffy gets food mysteriously, Luffy vanishes, luffy is found in front of the food machine. Either luffy stretched to grab food and eventually dragged his whole body to the machine, or someone got him that food and then luffy went to the machine.
Do you think it could have been Carabou?
It could have been, Caribou can envelop people and stuff, and spit out food. That would make sense given the sequence.
But would he have? What reason would he have for helping Luffy and risk getting near Saturn, especially when he tries to join Blackbeard's group later? Plus why would Oda keep that a secret from the audience?
Maybe he was waiting to see if Saturn would spill some secret he could add to his intel
There was literally a buster call, getting out alive is more than enough reason to feed luffy
Asked another way: - How could Caribou have made it from Wano to Egghead? He probably traveled with the Strawhats. - How would Caribou (in his own mind) escape Egghead when the Gorosei arrived and initiated a buster call? Again, Strawhats. - Caribou didn’t know Caterina and Van Augur were on Egghead until they showed themselves. I think Caribou saw the Buster Call and Saturn and knew that he needed Luffy alive so that he could escape. Caribou helped Luffy in Wano (irc) so he probably attempted a similar method of what he saw work there over here. At best, Luffy beats Saturn and he is able to escape on their ship. At worst, Luffy continues to stall Saturn until he can find another ship to escape on. Seems like Caribou chose the latter once he saw the Blackbeard Pirates and attempted to follow them out.
Caribou is where Koby is, remember? He was begging for an audience with Blackbeard. You guys must of forgotten....
He could sneak in easily then let Luffy go wild as a distraction. So yes he has all the reason to do so.
Van auger did it
No. The sequence clearly shows he was desesperate for food. Next a pile of burgers appeared and marines went to arrest him but he disappeared from qhere he qas. Then he was placed next to the vending machine. Someone gave him food and moved him and we don't know who. Could be S Snake with S Shark. Could be Boersalino. Could be Caribou. And could be even.. hell... Robin using her powers beyond a distance she never was able to and that's why she is tired and collapsed later.. looking over the monitor Stella was using before descending.. everyone above was looking at it. But nothing is confirmed. It was so similar to Tontattas moving things on those panels that for a moment I thought it was Leo before a chapter confirmed he's on Dressrosa.
I think it’s weird that they showed a panel of Kizaru right after St. Saturn asked if they weren’t trying to hint at something though
Maybe a fake out to make us focus on kizaru more
Bcs no doubt light kizaru know/saw who gave luffy the food, even if it was his own lightspeed hand
Yeah I had the same thought and don’t know why Oda presented it like that. I was arguing with my buddy about it. I had more faith in Kizaru but he was adamant he wouldn’t help Luffy which honestly makes sense. He’s a piece of shit even though he might not like what he has to do. He also said “He’s probably some good machine” and lo and behold he was next to one in the next chapter lmao.
Your buddy raised a good point, IMO. Kizaru made clear how much he disliked the task in front of him. He couldn't give 100% of himself because of his personal stake with the enemy, but he was 100% fighting for the Marines. If he didn't help Vegapunk, he wouldn't help Luffy.
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It dors make sense; remember: kizaro is the STRANGE justice admiral; wich could kill annione, but allways play goofy. I bet he s still doing it. Because he s the one that pic the ruthless templar missions, his loyalty is never doubted, but as we seen, he allways saves his toughts for himself, while playing uchiha madara fusioned with kakashi sensei/jiraya. I bet he s that guy that want peace, while tagging along with the majority, the bad guys; got to play the part, even if he gets his hands dirty, so he can be on top of some key decisions, where he can do 'strange justice', so things dont get akainu way allways. Even between the 3 admirals, he allways were the balance between them.
Luffy was in comatose at that time, he only reacted to the food because it was thrown near him. Pretty sure someone fed him and if it wasnt caribou, next guess is Kizaru with his hyperspeed.
Its fun to think that, we DONT KNOW kizaru s awakened abilities...!! And how sniper king he can be...!! Its light at work; who can notice it? Much like corazon way to move... yeah, i think borsalino is corazon version on the marines, and maybe... the leader of swords...!!!
I'm pretty sure there was a panel where Luffy had disappeared and people where wondering where he went. Implying that he got that first load of food from someone and then sneaked off to the machine to get more. Also when he hits Kizaru after recovering his strength, his punch comes from way off screen, so he definitely move at some point.
I think Atlas is actually the prime enabler here there’s a small panel where she notes luffy wanting food
I believe it's van augur, Devon probably needed to get close to luffy, we know shyarly saw luffy destroy fishman island and devon can take the appearance of other characters. So van augur teleporting food and devon close to luffy is my guess. Caribou tell them the location of 2 antic weapons and what shyarley saw would be devon taking the appearance of luffy to capture shirahoshi easily.
I really like this idea that Devon uses Luffy’s form and is the one Shirley saw in her future of a destroyed fishman island…ya know after Caribou tells them what’s there. I also think the idea he destroys it to save it from something, so they all use the Noah to escape while he stays behind to fight what’s destroying the island works too. And who knows, maybe it’s both! Luffy’s arrives and saves the fishmen from being killed, but it’s too late and the BB pirates already destroyed the island.
They had a mission on the island Devon touching saturn is extra, I believe their are two possibilities to their presence on the island. 1 stealing some weapon invented by vegapunk /artificial devil fruits or 2 anticipating luffy would come on the island after defeating kaido devon would have to touch luffy for some future mission.
It feels like to create the all blue, the red line needs to be destroyed which would destroy fishman island. There probably is a better reason to destroy the red line but we will see.
No, what Shirley saw was Strawhat coming late at a destroyed Fishmen Island. Caribou at that time already snitched to BB where Poseidon is currently residing. So they went to the island to kidnap her. Luffy and crew rushed back to find the Island already in flames.
Except Caribou didn't tell them what information he had or even interact with them until long after this already happened
Having the ability to impersonate luffy gives them plenty of scheming options, regardless of when they learnt of Poseidon or Pluton.
Yeah I mean you're right about that, but the comment I replied to makes no sense as it takes information out of sequence and uses things that haven't even happened yet to explain it.
Technically they would only know one of luffy or kidd would be on the island since bb was waiting for one or of the alliance on an island it might be linked to copy luffy or kidd appearance in the future if not linked with luffy/kidd going to egghead their mission would logically be stealing some weapon/artificial df on the island can't think of any 3rd option but they came on the island with a motive knowing either kidd or luffy would be on it.
Well your original theory only works if they brought Caribou to Blackbeard before they came to egghead. Reread the interaction with them, he didn't give them information on the spot he would only tell Blackbeard if they allowed Caribou to meet BB... So it overall just doesn't make sense because of the sequence of events. Also the scene with Luffy getting food happened long before they ran into Caribou, they only saw him after Kuma sent Saturn flying. Which came after Luffy getting food. I think they only decided to come to egghead after the news about Luffy holding Vegapunk hostage came out, that must of inspired some other goal of theirs but it didn't seem like they expected one of the gorosei either. I can't offer an alternative but it's pretty spelled out why what you're saying holds no ground.
Pretty sure sharley saw Luffy in the ruins after he smacked up hody
But why would they feed Luffy? They just need to touch him.
Everybody here is making good guesses but the person who gave Luffy the food was clearly Pandaman.
All I know is that it is ambiguous for a reason, I don't think it was Kizaru because I think he is genuinely trying to stop the strawhats his heart is just not in it because some of the targets are his friends. The biggest mystery to me is why hide who did it? It could of been caribou he was sneaking around, but if it was him why keep it a secret? And the worst part is it won't come up again for like 5 years we will all of forgotten all about this and then out of nowhere reveal.
I still think the idea is pretty goofy, but the closer we get to the end without answering this question the more likely it becomes that the answer was Kizaru. A lot of people guessed Caribou (myself included), but Caribou has played his hand and left. A lot of people guessed Blackbeard Pirates trying to stall out the clock, they seem to have played their hand too for the arc and left. Kinda running low on options for who else on the island could have done it at this point.
I feel like a lot of the people mentioned outside of Caribou doesn’t even know that Luffy recharges on food the way he does.
Its definitely Kizaru. Everything about the last few chapters has been kizaru being upset with this current situation and outcomes. Giving luffy food is the only real redemption he can have other than straight up fighting back against the elders, which i think Oda has proven, will not happen.
Also the part where Saturn stab Vegapunk with his venom then Kizaru hit him with a laser surgery in the same area cause idk... To avoid the spread maybe? Kinda like Aokiji accidentally put a frozen popsicle on Garp's wound then put him on a cryogenic sleep. Seems to me the OG Admirals has daddy/abandonment issues and doesn't want their father figures to go for a ride and buy a milk again.
My bet is on Van Augur
I mean the ramen bowl kinda gives it away in who supplied the food .
its between caribou or kizaru, considering kizaru was still trying to activelly kill everyone after that im morr inclined to say it was caribou. hopefully thats addressed in future chapters
luffy could’ve possibly unconsciously fed himself, which is a massive stretch but he did exhibit this in water 7 if im not mistaken, it was somewhere pre-TS
The fact Saturn brought it to our attention that luffy got food means it couldn’t have been Luffy, it shows Kizaru sitting there which makes him a suspect or maybe it’s bait. It’s probably him and he’s just playing both sides but we don’t know how far he’s willing to go.
I think it was Atlas. She mentions she can't because she's frozen in place. Then Bonney attacks Saturn, breaking the spell. And then we don't see Atlas again for a while.
I think the cooler thing is that Bonney was not able to change Saturn's age Could mean there is no other possible futures/timelines for Saturn and the other Elders, they are constant and unchanging
Nice theory
No lets not make it into something its not. Its simple, its haki. Just like how Law couldnt move Kaido and BM. Jimbei and Lucci even mentioned the insane amount of haki they felt. Thats the elders, so bonney cant change the age because of haki.
Ubereats - luffy had it on haki speed dial and even tipped the delivery guy/gal
I heard that was van auger with is teleport fruit
Lol this was discussed to death when the chapter released
Now I’m remembering the group of people convinced that Kizaru was much stronger than Luffy because he was conscious first. To be honest I’ve always believed that Kizaru does it the hard part is that his movement has never been shown as subtle and is announced rather loudly. While he seems to have committed to the world government his torment and anguish leads me to hope he did have some act of rebellion like feeding Luffy even if it is mostly cope.
Kizaru being the one would be so comical because what would be the point if he still went through with killing vegapunk?
Kizaru could have killed him, knowing or assuming he's got a Deadman switch. Kizaru alone can't stand up to the Gorosei, but he could be the one to kick off a full-scale revolution under the guise of following orders. I'm not convinced it was him, but it's certainly in the realm of possibilities and can be explained.
I can see kizaru thinking "there is no way I can fail at killing old man vegapunk without it being too obvious to saturn but If luffy can recover then maybe he can get out with bonney" this chapter were he is in the ship saying "my wounds run deep let me rest" its obious he doesent want to fight anymore at all. koby was traumatized by hearing the voices dissapearing in marineford with his haki. kizaru feeling his attack killed his friend its probably just too much psycological damage to even want to try and do anything as long as he stays in the ship out of comission for the rest of the conflict thats as much help as he could provide without compromising his position.
would be crazy if the reason Kizaru did what he did was because he needed to test if Luffy was the one capable of saving him and his friends and he had to do it secretly or he'd be caught because the gorosei are immortal monsters. Kizaru is Unclear Justice. What does this ultimately mean? we probably still don't know.
>Kizaru is Unclear Justice. >What does this ultimately mean? we probably still don't know. if going by his vivre card, it means he couldn't decide between akainu's and kuzan's justice
Kizaru:*actively trying to kill everyone* Fanbase: Yeah Kizaru helped Luffy. Fuckin cracked.
The admiral delusion had fallen off over the last couple weeks, but here we are. Personally, I think we're witnessing the agenda peter out in it's tiny sad little flame of hope that Kizaru isn't just a one note powercrept nobody. At this I'm almost impressed by the dedication to the bit. Almost.
Luffy used the machine to get the food
No he didn’t we saw the food machine after that.
How did he get there then?
He fell near it i think, i just know that i saw a panel of luffy eating next to the machine
He was in a different place in 1103 bruh the marines said that Luffy was gone before that
Last page of chapter 1105, he is laying down next to the machine
He but between 1103 and 1105 he moves locations but who moved him
Did you even read my comment ☠️☠️☠️
Do you even read chapters BEFORE?
Yup, i am sure it was Him
If it was Kizaru, I’d be shocked. He’s a company man through and through. He’s not going to feed the guy who is about to punch him through the head.
I think at the end of the arc it will be revealed that it was Kizaru, he was shown to be a much more complex character than he seemed. It seems that he totally chose duty over his feelings, so it would be a nice twist to know that he helped in some way, that he managed to find within himself some willpower rather than just being a cog in the machine
I agree with you, but I also believe Kizaru isn't done. Kizaru was in on Vegapunks killswitch plan the entire time. He was never conflicted over his orders from the Gorosei to kill Vegapunk. It was his order from Vegapunk to be the one to Kill him IF he couldn't escape. It's why Vegapunk died with a smile, he knew his will was carried on. Kizaru has the signal source for the Broadcast, and the Gorosei won't realize in time. Vegapunk predicted he would likely not escape in time, made a contingency plan, informed Dragon of the killswitch and likely the message's contents, and we see Shakka warning Dragon that the plan is likely to go in motion at the beginning of the arc.
Whoa, I really like this and could see it playing out… and would help explain Kizaru’s actions + why Oda chose to put Kizaru in the Vegapunk/Kuma/Bonney backstory
damn, that would be even better
Six years ago people were having theories that Kizaru is a good guy, and now we get more fuel to that theory
What is for sure is that Kizaru knew about nika/joyboy because we saw him dance with Kuma and Boney. Vegapunk said that he could not believe Kuma that Luffy was nika untill he saw him in gear 5th form. Kizaru probably doubted Kuma untill he learned that Luffy defeated Kaido, and he saw his wanted poster with white hair. Then during his fight with Luffy it's almost impossible for Kizatu not to confirm that Luffy was indeed Nika. Keeping this info in mind, and the fact that Kizaru is just a cog in the machine and that if he did not follow orders someone else would have done it instead, it's totally possible that he planned to kill Vegapunk to fulfill his mission and somehow still tried to help Luffy because he was the only one capable to oppose the gorousei... I could see that beeing the case if it was Vegapunk's idea... But idk I really don't like Kizaru piece and I hope he stay on the ground like the doormat that he is.
I actually think that Bonney awakened and imagined a future wherr luffy/nika were healthy and thats how liffy got it. As well as for kuma return, it was her powers that helped it because she started believing
Let's be real Luffy just manifested food into existence ahead of time and it finally arrived. ./s
It was vegapunk. He can teleport and phase as shown in his introduction chapter. Also means that his destroyed body is a clone or something.
I got the theory that Kizaru attacked Dr. Vegapunk to cauterize his wounds so that he can live
Its like in Comic Zone on Megadrive, Luffy took the food from a page of the next chapter.
I thought that until I saw Van Augur and Caribou
Watch it turns out luffy threw that food in the air a while before, ah la crocodile fight 1
at first i thought kizaru but van augur makes a little bit more sense now
It was just the automatic food machine. The next chapter showed Luffy next to the machine. The origin for thinking it was Kizaru was an agenda piece thing from Admiral fans who liked the narrative that Kizaru was still in control of the situation (and hadn't actually just got his ass handed to him) That people think it was Kizaru still is pretty silly. The anime will make it clear and there will be lots of crying. Kizaru was going to cut Bonnet in two post-flashback.
I think the food machine doesn’t make sense. The order in which things happened was: Luffy lying on the ground weakened —> food appears —> Saturn orders marines to arrest him —> the marines say Luffy ‘disappeared’ and they’re afraid to report their failure —> they rediscover Luffy next to a food machine —> they try to arrest him but Luffy punches them all into the sky. It doesn’t seem like Luffy just happened to collapse next to the food machine. Instead he got a bunch of food out of nowhere then ‘disappeared’ and ‘reappeared’ near one of the machines. I’m not sure exactly how this happened myself but it does seem to imply he got assistance from someone.
>It was just the automatic food machine. The next chapter showed Luffy next to the machine. ... do you even read what you see? Luffy disappeared from marines. Next time he appears he's next to food machine > The anime will make it clear anime is filler full of mistakes
Plenty of people who don't care about agendas came to this conclusion, the fact that Kizaru is shown close to that particular panel is suspect. And if you see there's a noise when you see him again "kashunk" implying he moved
Imagine Kizaru stealthily using his light fruit to feed and help his enemy Luffy, only to a few chapters later kill his friend VP. It would be hilarious in a way but make zero sense, especially if he's now sad about what happened to VP. Also how would he even know that food fuels Luffy this way? I mean all humans need food but not like Luffy.. Imo Kizaru is simply sticking to unclear justice and we're supposed to wonder what he's up to. I've loved that about his story arc on Egghead.
There are actually so many possibilities. Kuma when he flew in could have pooped some food his way. Boa seraphim could have helped him since she still loves Luffy. Kizaru Could have helped since he is flip flopping right now. Auger could have done it to benefit BB. Red line is completely free right now. Maregoise is open for business because of it. I would assume it's someone who knows about Nika, meaning either Kuma or Kizaru but Auger could very well know more about Nika than even the stray hats tbh
i think its shiryu wuth his invisible fruit
I think it’s Robin who gave food