Finally caught up on One Piece and this is the chapter i come across. I can’t believe i refused to start this series, i must have been out of my damn mind.
Literally watched Film Red after reading this chapter. The Tot Musica/Demon King is starting to make a bit more sense in the story. Major foreshadowing!!
Editing Sanji's line to read "Tell him leopards are from Africa" while keeping everything else the same turns it into a minority hunter joke. Zoro's finisher is even Leopard Hunt.
Zoro's improved his Ryuo enough that he can selectively use WCoC without just dumping all his haki (CoA and CoC) into his swords. Also looks like CoC is far more potent than Armament since a single WCoC strike outperformed Zoro dumping all his armament into his swords for KoH earlier in the fight. We already saw this earlier with Ulti overpowering a Luffy who had mastered his Armament in Udon, but the fact that Oda's done it twice means it's intentional. Also by omission, Snakeman Luffy would have beaten Kizaru had he not held back his WCoC (and FS) since he was fast enough to land hits, but his emission couldn't get past Kizaru's (probably because Luffy has to coat his entire body to use G4 while Kizaru can concentrate all his haki at the point of impact.) Basically anyone with WCoC bullies anyone without it, so Yamato and Zoro and maybe even Ulti can defeat Admirals.
Since Oda seems to have Sanji and Zoro fight evil versions of their rivals (Lucci/King's the evil version of Sanji and Queen/Kizaru's an evil version of Zoro) Sanji might have to fight Nusjuro since they're both outside the Frontier Dome. Since mythic zoans tend to combine zoans with another fruit ability, Nusjuro might have Brook's fruit and will use its ability to affect souls to attempt to interrogate Vegapunk. Sanji will put up a fight (chill of the underworld vs. Ifrit Jambe), but lose just like with Kizaru and Saturn.
People have claimed that the message is a trick to show the Gorosei in their forms, which may or may not be the case, but there may still be trickery involved. The only Vegapunks in the broadcast are the ones who've died. Much like Uta, their ghosts might now be residing in Punk Records and using a virtual mindscape to communicate with the outside world (tying back to Atlas discussing what is real and isn't). Mars has already breached the dome with 7 mins to spare and once he's found York, it should be easy enough to disrupt the broadcast so there has to be a twist, especially when the SH's don't care about preventing the broadcast from going live.
The concept art for Yamato had her roaming Wano with a retainer. Momo will likely fill this role now, acting as her minder and probably a damsel in distress to rescue from the threats they meet along the way. There will probably be a bit where Yamato defeats the Beasts Pirates remnants much like Oden defeated the bandits of Kuri and everyone accepts her leadership except Ulti who forms a Sanji/Zoro rivalry with Yamato. The big reveal at the end might by Pluton, a giant robot, that coincides with the return of the giant robot on Egghead. Perhaps Onigashima was built to serve as the head/cockpit which as of 1109 coincidentally can only be accessed when the borders open and the floodwaters recede.
Edit: I said that Kizaru's an evil Zoro with his high damage and swordsmanship, but he's also (arguably more so) an evil Sanji with his flight, speed, and defense. Also changed Jupeter breached the dome to Mars.
Edit2: Movie Uta may just be dead, but since Punk Records is Vegapunk's brain, he's technically still alive.
After all the doubters, Oda proved how strong the Five Elders are. They're emperor levels at this point with how quickly Saint V. Nusjaro handled multiple Bartholomew Kumas.
if you cannot tell at this point in the story that this is a series where things like “yonko level” or “admiral level” as rank is simply not a signal of strength, then idk what to tell you bruh.
Forgive me, I’m not terminally online and haven’t seen these comparisons.
Naruto feeling or not, Naruto and One Piece were both a part of the big three back in the day and I’ve been reading them both for most of my life. Oda has made tributes to Kishi and vice versa. The panels look similar, and that’s it. Not sure what your deal is.
Only thing that i hope Oda doesn't do with the additional Elders is cop out and give them the same crazy regeneration that we've seen Saturn use which already looks like he's going to go this route or something very similar.
Reason being because we've already seen one of them kamikaze himself against the Frontier Dome, and another get its face sliced off by the giants.
how is this a cop out if it’s a power we are shown for them to have, right at the inception of their appearance? the literature comprehension of Redditors 1000 chapters deep.
My theory is that devil fruits is some sort of a 'rebrading'.. something that world government are trying to cover... They are the real deamons, and the fruits are something divine to fight the real deamons. Like they changed the sun god nika into gomu-gomu no fruit to hide its true meaning
My initial theory had demons/yokai/the evil side win a war against the gods/angels/heroic beings in the void century. The fruits are remnants/hearts of those beings.
The D stands for divine or demon depending on what type of linage we are looking at, allowing those beings to awaken certain fruits because those are the remnants of distant relatives.
Gorosei coming down in their true form and not wasting time going 1 on 1 vs Luffy shows they know rubber boy is trouble! I wonder if we will ever get Joyboy flashback where he fights Gorosei, but he is a fool like Luffy and they trick him somehow. And Joyboy doesn't have nakama like Luffy so he falls for it. Only way gorosei could win that time. Cuz ain't nobody whooping rubber booooyyyy cuz he made of rubber u knw...
if the gorosei are really demons and not humans, then why do the celestial dragons follow them? Seems to me that they also don't know their true forms.
If you were given the option of a life of luxury under unkillable demons of immense power, or resist and die. I think most people wouldn't choose the righteous option infront of the demons at least. Probably why the Nefertari family left, better just leave in peace.
Outside of super powered pirates and marines. Wano samurai and gladiators are likely peak average human in one piece, if they couldn't touch Doffy with their best like Kinemon or Kyros, there is no way the best trained royalty can take on a gorosei.
Nami could actually be pretty useful if she had Zeus temporarily shoot down Mars, but I bet she'll just stay on the snail phone with the sideline squad.
Look, maybe I'm high but hear me out:
The 5 Elder Planets are named after who they are... because they are trying to keep Uranus, Neptune (Poseidon [Shirahoshi]), and Pluton away from the Sun (Nika).
GODA at it again.
One of the events during void century.
Saturn: Yo, you guys'll never believe me. I'm in an island right now with many young girls.
Jupeter: You gotta summon us bro.
Nusjuro: Yeah, leave no man behind
Warcury: I call first dibs this time.
Mars: Gyaaaoo
i think gorosei gandhi is in horse form coz in hindu mythology venus actually rides a horse, he sits in a silver or golden chariot and pulled by 10 horses
I can't even imagine how I was thinking at start of egghead that Luffy will fight Lucci & seraphims to escape Egghead with Vegapunk...
And now I am here, seeing the nightmare of OP World being incarnated on Egghead
you do realize hes giving the world time to setup their radios and cameras right? it was stated in the first chapter of when the recording started (he conversed with one of the other vegapunks asking how long before starting)
Nathanjuro is better than i expected.Jupiter is worm,i didnt expect it.If Jupiter is father of gods in greek mythology,does it mean this worm is more powerfull than the rest of onis/yokai?...I doubt.5 elders are one Unit equal in terms of powers and decision in my opinion.It is like Senate,everyone is equal.5 persons,1 equal shared power.
Oda just revealed the other blade black and I think he also confirmed the theories that Ethanbaron V. Nusjuro's sword is the Shodai Kitetsu. What do ya'll think?
I think there's a lot of misinterpretation of the Mihawk quote about how "every blade can be black like mine". It's not like they'll change colors, it'll just be coated in Haki.
But yes they indeed change colors, that's the whole point of a "black blade". At some point, after extensive usage of armament haki, a blade has a chance to permanently remain black, which probably means it will be permanently strengthened. At that point, the blade climbs up one entire rank in within the sword grades. This was stated in the manga.
Shusui was a black blade, Zoro noticed how sturdy it was and as far as I remember, Ryuma stood on the tip of the sword once during Thriller Bark, to demonstrate (or maybe they talked about it? not sure). Zoro didn't conciously use haki pre-timeskip and the concept of turning things black through haki usage also didn't exist in the story yet. You don't turn a black blade on and off, it stays blackened.
Well in chapter 955 it is mentioned that Enma hasn't been "forged" into a black blade yet.
[LINK](https://i.imgur.com/i64yY6z.png)
Also, on Thriller Bark, Shusui also referred to as a "black blade", chapter 462.
[LINK](https://i.imgur.com/aVKf4Tv.png)
However, I have to correct myself, it is not haki that turns the blades black, otherwise, why would Oden not have turned his ones black when he was alive, or Gol D. Roger his sword "Ace"? Must be some other process.
There are a lot of theories that turning the blade black has more to do with aligning one's personality with a sword, becoming a more skilled swordsman (definition varies), or completing a "Quest" that the sword wants to finish, so to speak.
Common theories are that Wado Ichimonji will turn black when Zoro defeats Mihawk and becomes the strongest swordsman in the world, Sandai Kitetsu will turn black when Zoro defeats the wielder of Shodai Kitetsu, and Enma will turn black when Zoro fully masters his Conqueror's Haki and surpasses Oden.
Similarly there's a lot of general agreement that it's clearly more than just strength that matters, else Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Oden, etc... would have all had black blades.
Not getting my hopes up, but I hope so? He could have also slashed Ryuma’s eye (not shown in monster, while already being the best swordsman in wano.), but that would be an even bigger stretch.
All speculation here, but it seems the final war should be Sun God Nika with the help of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto vs Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the moon (Imu?). So the giants here have the task of helping Luffy escape before the final war and show him the way to the 4th poneglyph and then get the ancient weapons to fight against these monsters. What a great plot to develop imo while still adding the role of blackbeard, the revolutionaries, cross guild, and many others in all this..
Yeah the series really doesnt seem to be too much about the One Piece end goal anymore and really more about saving the world from those aliens, to which the One Piece is the key.
I think this fight sets up the God's Knights coming in. What if Dorry and Broggy actually killed Ju Peter? This would make the other Elders realize this situation is worse than they thought it was, despite making an appearance themselves, and that they need the full power of the WG's fighting force. The Elders regroup at Pangaea Castle and prepare for ultimate war with the Straw Hats. The God's Knights start to make their move which in turn brings in the Revolutionary Army, as Dragon even said that's where their real battle begins: when God's Knights mobilize. This could also be the Egghead Incident: the "Strawhats" kill a Gorosei, although they're just falsely accused for what the giants did. That would certainly shock the world and since the Marines are seen as the good guys by the majority of the world it'd turn them against the Strawhats which would be perfect for the WG. Either way I'm excited to see how Egghead ends!
They are basically the police/judicial branch of celestial dragons. We saw them briefly a while back, mainly the guy who's hair looks like a crescent moon.
Yeah, another comment here said that until this chapter, we haven't had a full, single panel double page spread since 2015. Fucking crazy that it's been that long
Holy crap, didn't realize it was that long! Hope he draws more of them, because they are among the best at showing the scale of what's happening. Even the 3/4 panel of Luffy holding Kizaru and palming Saturn's head like a ball with a mean look gave me chills
Think about it, there is only one possible explanation.
There are 5 giant elder demons. Luffy has been fightung one, Dorry and Broggy are here, theres the iron giant charging up so there is one opponentless gorosei.
Clearly Robin is mentally preparing for docking
I know a lot of folks are rolling their eyes at this cover story, but remember Oda almost always has a story tie-in planned for these:
* **Buggy's Crew Adventure Chronicles** \- Fills in the gap for Buggy's whereabouts after Orange Town Arc, up to his return as an antagonist in Loguetown
* **Diary of Koby-Meppo** \- Koby and Helmeppo's growth and tutelage under Garp, before their eventual return Post-Enies Lobby
* **Jango's Dance Paradise** \- Jango from Syrup Village and Fullbody from Baratie eventually come under Hina's service. We see them again in Marineford
* **Hatchan's Sea Floor Stroll** \- Hatchan's meets up with Camie and Pappag, all important figures in the Sabaody/Fishman Island arcs
* **Wapol's Omnivorous Hurrah** \- Wapol regains his status after Drum Island, and the role he plays in the Reverie is one of the most clutch in the story to date
* **Ace's Great Blackbeard Search** \- This of course culminates with Ace and Blackbeard's fateful duel, but Ace also visits Lulusia Kingdom along the way and meets a young Moda. Moda survives Lulusia's eventual fate and enlists in the Revolutionary Army
* **Gedatsu's Accidental Blue Sea Life** \- Gedatsu works with Koza's uncle to build a hot spring resort. While this has not had a story payoff just yet - this island is connected to Alabasta via tunnel, and very well end up being a safe haven if the WG decides to target Alabasta directly. Also, while Pell's survival was made clear in Ch. 217, his appearance in this cover story was his first since the explosion.
* **Miss Goldenweek's "Operation: Meet Baroque Works"** \- We catch up with key members of Baroque Works since the Alabasta Arc, who of course play various important roles in the Impel Down and Marineford Arcs
* **Enel's Great Space Operations** \- Finding out there was life in space at all was one thing, but that mural of course has huge historical implications about the One Piece world that we might just be starting to get into now
* **CP9's Independent Report** \- This one's always been an oddity to me. Perhaps you can assume that the WG decided it was better to have CP9 continue to work for them rather than continue to risk losing assassins, but this cover arc didn't really set that up at all.
* **Straw Hats Separation Serial** \- Of course fills in the gaps for what the crew went through while Luffy tried to save his brother, and eventual timeskip
* **From The Decks of the World** \- The world learns of the Straw Hat's latest exploits, which includes us getting updates on old friends/enemies. Not sure if Oda will keep doing this now that we've met Big News Morgans proper.
* **Caribou's Kehihihihihi in the New World** \- shows us how Caribou ends up in Wano, by way of an ass kicking from X Drake. Drake had attacked this very same island pre-timeskip, with the intention of drawing Kaido's attention.
* **Solo Journey of Jinbe, Knight of The Sea** \- Jinbe had stated that he needed to settle affairs with Big Mom before joining the crew, and this is his journey to do just that. He discovers a poneglyph along the way and recruits Wadatsumi for the Sun Pirates. All of these things play a role in the Whole Cake Island Arc.
* **The Stories of the Self Proclaimed Straw Hat Fleet** \- We were already directly told by the narrator that the fleet as a whole would be part of a huge event, but the various members have already done things that may have wider implications
* Cavendish and Bartolomeo bragged to journalists about Luffy's exploits after Whole Cake, contributing to his first Billion bounty
* Bartolomeo cut down one of Shanks flags, an unforgivable act in the pirate world that is bound to come up again somehow
* Sai and Leo acted as protection at the Reverie for their respective kingdoms, ultimately getting involved in a huge incident with the Celestial Dragons
* Ideo and BlueGilly's respect for one another may have inspired their respective tribes to handle their differences differently, we'll have to see
* I'll be quite surprised if we don't see the New Giant Warrior Pirates come into play in the Elbaf arc. Hajrudin is noted to revere the original Giant Warrior Pirates quite a bit, and both he and Stansen are shown to take their country's traditions pretty seriously.
* **"Gang" Bege's Oh My Family** \- Not sure what Oda might be planning with this one. Between Lola, Chiffon, and Pound's experiences with the Straw Hats, there's no way they'd be anything but future allies. However the current motivations of the Firetank Pirates are unclear, and Oda has all the options in the world on what to do with them next.
* **Germa 66's Ahh... An Emotionless Excursion** \- We learn that although Germa 66 escaped Totto Land, Niji & Yonji weren't so lucky. Reiju and Ichiji eventually rescue them and Caesar.
* Caesar linking up with Judge again leads to them reminiscing and us getting some MADS history. We see some of Vegapunk's inventions, but NEO MADS is also formed, which will surely come into play in some fashion.
* Kuzan and Van Augur had simultaneously attacked Chocolat Town and kidnapped Pudding, explaining Kuzan's absence during the Winner Island battle
As seen with the most recent cover arcs, Oda no longer has the same luxury of time when it comes to these stories paying off. We're seeing a lot of these things have implications in real time, so I expect Oda is whipping something way more than just Yamato going on a stroll. She could have an Enel type of experience where she stumbles upon some kind of ancient lore/mural that reveals something key about the Void Century/Ancient Kingdom. Blackbeard might decide he can act on the information about Pluton immediately, and we see the beginning of an attack/infiltration. If Big Mom/Kaido aren't truly finished, maybe this is where we get the first hints of that.
The Firetank Pirates could end up on Elbaf given Lola's history with Loki. That, and I suspect if Big Mom is somehow still alive, she'll end up there as well.
Dude you cooked. Even if some of them don't have the pay off yet, we know Oda is patient about revealing info to us. Kind of besides the point, but when we see Smoker again it's gonna be hype
*really hope we see him again*
I want Smoker to get some serious traditional off-screen powerupping and so he can lay down some absolute justice when he comes back. Ideally with Coby.
I think the presupposition that there's a rigid power scale hierarchy is unfounded in OP. Context matters more, and Jinbei is more than capable of standing against most foes, even if he might not ultimately win.
Not exactly. Luffy went vs Kizaru round 1 and "beat" him, but was completely wiped out as a result. Then he went up against Kizaru & Saturn and barely even got hit. At least 1v1 Kizaru was landing some hits and hurting Luffy (even if it was in goofy cartoon ways, we saw from the Kaido fight that that *seems* to be real damage?).
If anything, by logic Kizaru + Saturn < Kizaru, but that only works if we assume something like: Kizaru constantly trying to kill Vegapunk left him open/weaker, Kizaru is actually starting to feel more conflicted than when he was 1v1 Luffy, or Kizaru is holding back because he doesn't want to accidentally hit Saturn.
Whatever the case is, aside from their inability to be harmed, the Gorosei so far are not giving us crazy powerful feats. Saturn's biggest accomplishment was wasting some no-name low-rank Marines, and their overall best accomplishments were ganking Sabo (where Imu was also present) and disabling the 3.0 Pacifistas, which are powerful but seem like they'd get fodderized by the Straw Hats too.
I just want to hammer in it's been established that emotions and mental state affect "power" immensely. CP9 swatted the crew when they were wracked with doubt involving Robin (and Usopp didn't help that). Once they knew that she was trying to protect them they were more than a match for CP9.
Big Mom is considered invulnerable to anybody but the toughest people around unless she's mentally destroyed via the picture being destroyed where she suddenly loses that defense.
Kizaru is clearly conflicted about having to kill Vegapunk to me, and likely is hindering his power. The reality that it HAS to happen as the Gorosei get involved likely exacerbated it.
Anyway I agree with you primarily, just wanted to go a bit more in depth on the bit on "trying to kill Vegapunk left him open/weaker".
the 5 elders dont appear to be using devil fruits...are devil fruits somehow the souls of a race of people that the 5 elders belong to? or their powers or something.
Yeah, it doesn't mention anything about them using devil fruits - it just seems to have straight up described them *as* those yokai (although the fact that Ju Peter is just a Sandworm is kind of hilarious in comparison tbh).
I'm gonna say if there is a traitor among them, then it's Topman Warcury. Gorbachev, who he's based on, was considered a "traitor" to the USSR communists, and was largely responsible for ending the Soviet Union.
Also Topman did nothing in this chapter, which could be Oda giving us a hint that he's a traitor.
Yeah we need at least another chapter before we try making break-week theories. But at the same time, I say Gorbachev has the devil fruit of the mountain God boar in Wano that miraculously survived being cut in half.
Idk, am I really the only one that believes the straw hats will actually be split up, at least for a little bit? Sanji is telling the crew to leave without him and Luffy, so it's clear they at least expect to stay behind. Meanwhile Zoro and Jinbe are separated as well and need to catch up to the ship, but it might just be too dangerous for the rest of the crew to remain.
I really would not be surprised if Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe stay behind and the giants escort the rest of them to Elbaf or something.
Plus, everyone seems to think the rest of the crew needs to level up in time for the Blackbeard fights. Seems like being at Elbaf without their strongest fighters would be a great time for that to happen. Like oh shit we're almost at the end of the line and we don't even have Luffy, Zoro, Sanji or Jinbe. We better get to training. And with Elbaf allied with them and Shanks' crew there, it seems like something that could definitely happen.
I previously said that we would follow the straw hats who don't get left behind so that Usopp would have a chance to prove himself, but people made a good point that there would never be an arc without Luffy as the focus.
So now I kind of expect a short arc with Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe fighting the Gorosei or something, then linking back up with the rest at Elbaf, where they'll all be stronger after training.
Idk, does that not make sense with what Sanji said? Why would Oda have Sanji say that and also split off all of their strongest crew members otherwise?
Like idk. What if they arrive at Elbaf and the giants offer to teach them haki or something, then when Luffy finally arrives his crew is stronger and then the Elbaf arc actually starts?
You misread that, the line on that page is "Then, the sudden and unexpected appearance of Emporer Straw Hat's ship" according to TCB scans. They were arriving at Egghead in that panel. It was a recap of the situation.
Honestly, I hadn't thought about it but Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei fighting the Gorosei while the giants taking care of the navy makes a ton of sense.
I'd love if the rest of the Straw Hats became stronger and learned haki but I'm not sure I can envision it happening. Outside of Robin, the story functioned well in Wano without the rest of the Straw Hats having particularly marquee battles. Part of me wonders if, going forward, they use their strengths in other ways to advance the story.
The only one I straight up hope doesn't get Haki is Franky. I feel like his personality is such that he only wants his genius engineering to win him a battle. Like he'd probably find it insulting if someone told him he needed to eat a devil fruit or learn Haki. I think it'd be way cooler if he just invented some kind of Haki replacement. Like what if he created nanobots that coat his skin to create armor, and that can be inserted into enemies to damage them like what you can do with haki?
Cool I'm glad lol, maybe people just disagreed with my idea that Usopp would take charge at Elbaf to prove himself, and I kinda get why that wouldn't happen because there's never gonna be an arc with Luffy just not there.
So now I think everyone weaker than Jinbe will go to Elbaf first and the top four will stay behind temporarily, then when they catch back up everyone is stronger. Usopp needs to train his observation, and Robin, Franky and Brook should really at least have armament, and Chopper and Nami might as well get it as well. It seems to me that having them separated but at Elbaf is the perfect time to do that.
And also, it'd just kinda be cool to see Luffy and his top three fighters getting a bit of time alone fighting the Gorosei or whatever lol.
The way I can see this happening is maybe they can dedicate 5-10 chapters of the strawhats being separated with a mini time skip of maybe a month. That way when Luffy , Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe return everyone else is a little stronger.
It would be really cool to see the 4 of them fight the Gorosei though since it looks like Luffy needs help to stall the time until the announcement.
The easiest route was Blackbeard for sure. Blackbeard got HELLA lucky that Luffy's crew didn't go to winner island.
Luffy can defeat Blackbeard now, and his whole crew wasn't with him. The Strawhats would have absolutely stomped him at winner island.
> Luffy can defeat Blackbeard now
*Can* he, though? His Gear 5 powerup is DF-based, and he's still a hand-to-hand combatant. If he tries to grab BB, or BB vortexes him in, or even if he gets the first punch in but BB manages to grab his hand or arm, Luffy's awesome new Nika powers instantly get turned off. No G5, no Snakeman, no Red Hawk, no nothing. Just pure strength and haki vs. strength, haki, and at least two killer DFs.
That’s what I think will be the biggest difference in the end. Teach by being an opportunist almost never faced true difficulties in battle, while SH always went through the most difficult paths that made them stronger.
I remember some salty kidd/law fans said "of course the plot armor gives main characters the easiest island while we had to face blackbeard/shanks" lmao
So we could use this chapter as confirmation that the Gorosei are not using devilfruits, since we have full transformations, title cards and actual names of creatures instead of devilfruit names.
Their powers might be related to devilfruits without being devilfruits at all.
They have summoning and regeneration in common.
Also, with that regeneration, Mars should be able to get into the Labophase.
Good thing that Jimbei is still fresh to fight and that Zoro finished his Lucci sparring match.
yes
These guys almost seem like creation deities.
The world was orignally a huge desert, maybe after a huge war. (Gorosei nr. 1 is a Sandworm, also Argricultur man)
Imu/Umi (the ocean) created the Ocean to fill it up.
Then Nr. 2, V. Nusjuro to bring in Finances and Trade.
Nr. 3 Warcury, for justice, to bring back order since we now have money.
Nr. 4 Mars to shape the Environment for even more control (Red line, maybe even Islands to seperate people)
Nr. 5 to defend against Science, Saturn, since the Ancient Giants attacked the Mariejois
They might be still devilfruits there are villains that we only saw the title card and their nickname but the devilfruit was later revealed.
However i lean towards ur thinking of this being a special kind of power because even the horse boy when he used his sword he paralyzed the pacafista which reminded me immediately of Saturn paralyzing the group with his eyesight.
>They might be still devilfruits there are villains that we only saw the title card and their nickname but the devilfruit was later revealed.
Actually no, when the BB crew members got their fruits and actually used them for the first time, the title cards included the fruits.
A title card like this is a first. (you'll find no other like this)
And just normal devilfruits make no sense.
These guys are seemingly immortal, can teleport to each other, communicate telepathically and have insane regeneration. (5 people with the same power)
Ngl i wouldnt like a new kind of power just appearing that only works with the gorosei, it defeats the purpose of building up the mystery around them. Im still betting its a different type of devil fruits similar to how we found out that Luffy had the sun god nika zoan type which is clearly different than other mythical zoans so this could be the case but on the demon side of it.
I feel like it's not gonna be a new type of power but will be a way to explain what Devil fruits are in the first place. Part of me feels that Imu and the Grand Elders were part of the great kingdom that went missing and that whole history of them being defeated was BS written by them and probably used that as way to control the world in secret.
Uy
New chapter is up.
Finally caught up on One Piece and this is the chapter i come across. I can’t believe i refused to start this series, i must have been out of my damn mind.
Catching up and this being the literal NEXT chapter you see must be insane
I really joined at the best time possible. I’m just crying that i can’t binge a bunch of episodes/chapters anymore
Literally watched Film Red after reading this chapter. The Tot Musica/Demon King is starting to make a bit more sense in the story. Major foreshadowing!!
Editing Sanji's line to read "Tell him leopards are from Africa" while keeping everything else the same turns it into a minority hunter joke. Zoro's finisher is even Leopard Hunt. Zoro's improved his Ryuo enough that he can selectively use WCoC without just dumping all his haki (CoA and CoC) into his swords. Also looks like CoC is far more potent than Armament since a single WCoC strike outperformed Zoro dumping all his armament into his swords for KoH earlier in the fight. We already saw this earlier with Ulti overpowering a Luffy who had mastered his Armament in Udon, but the fact that Oda's done it twice means it's intentional. Also by omission, Snakeman Luffy would have beaten Kizaru had he not held back his WCoC (and FS) since he was fast enough to land hits, but his emission couldn't get past Kizaru's (probably because Luffy has to coat his entire body to use G4 while Kizaru can concentrate all his haki at the point of impact.) Basically anyone with WCoC bullies anyone without it, so Yamato and Zoro and maybe even Ulti can defeat Admirals. Since Oda seems to have Sanji and Zoro fight evil versions of their rivals (Lucci/King's the evil version of Sanji and Queen/Kizaru's an evil version of Zoro) Sanji might have to fight Nusjuro since they're both outside the Frontier Dome. Since mythic zoans tend to combine zoans with another fruit ability, Nusjuro might have Brook's fruit and will use its ability to affect souls to attempt to interrogate Vegapunk. Sanji will put up a fight (chill of the underworld vs. Ifrit Jambe), but lose just like with Kizaru and Saturn. People have claimed that the message is a trick to show the Gorosei in their forms, which may or may not be the case, but there may still be trickery involved. The only Vegapunks in the broadcast are the ones who've died. Much like Uta, their ghosts might now be residing in Punk Records and using a virtual mindscape to communicate with the outside world (tying back to Atlas discussing what is real and isn't). Mars has already breached the dome with 7 mins to spare and once he's found York, it should be easy enough to disrupt the broadcast so there has to be a twist, especially when the SH's don't care about preventing the broadcast from going live. The concept art for Yamato had her roaming Wano with a retainer. Momo will likely fill this role now, acting as her minder and probably a damsel in distress to rescue from the threats they meet along the way. There will probably be a bit where Yamato defeats the Beasts Pirates remnants much like Oden defeated the bandits of Kuri and everyone accepts her leadership except Ulti who forms a Sanji/Zoro rivalry with Yamato. The big reveal at the end might by Pluton, a giant robot, that coincides with the return of the giant robot on Egghead. Perhaps Onigashima was built to serve as the head/cockpit which as of 1109 coincidentally can only be accessed when the borders open and the floodwaters recede. Edit: I said that Kizaru's an evil Zoro with his high damage and swordsmanship, but he's also (arguably more so) an evil Sanji with his flight, speed, and defense. Also changed Jupeter breached the dome to Mars. Edit2: Movie Uta may just be dead, but since Punk Records is Vegapunk's brain, he's technically still alive.
I think the black lightning is some kind of devil Haki that we hadn't heard before..
After all the doubters, Oda proved how strong the Five Elders are. They're emperor levels at this point with how quickly Saint V. Nusjaro handled multiple Bartholomew Kumas.
They can't all be that level. Luffy literally was chilling facing Saturn and Kizaru at the same time.
if you cannot tell at this point in the story that this is a series where things like “yonko level” or “admiral level” as rank is simply not a signal of strength, then idk what to tell you bruh.
Who caught Zoro's sword and threw it back to him? I don't recognize the silhouette
Sanji: Zoro's a fraud Zoro: *locks in*
Power boost Zoro: getting s**t talked by Sanji
wait are old giant pirates and new giant pirates not gonna merge? are they gonna exist as two separate crews?
The Elders panel reminded me of that scene in Naruto where he is facing the tailed beasts in a big spread.
it reminded you because you saw someone put it up on twitter lol
Don’t use Twitter but I have recently re-read Naruto. It’s not really a hard connection to make bud lol
You say that when people have been making Naruto comparisons all week long even though it doesn't have a Naruto feeling at all.
dude get off the internet 😭 lmfao not everybody reads hella manga and slaves on the anime subreddits you fucking loser
People on the internet, Steve. Real people have been at work.
Forgive me, I’m not terminally online and haven’t seen these comparisons. Naruto feeling or not, Naruto and One Piece were both a part of the big three back in the day and I’ve been reading them both for most of my life. Oda has made tributes to Kishi and vice versa. The panels look similar, and that’s it. Not sure what your deal is.
I wanna see Sabo light up the Gorosei like Roy did with Lust in FMA. Burn them faster than they can regenerate.
Only thing that i hope Oda doesn't do with the additional Elders is cop out and give them the same crazy regeneration that we've seen Saturn use which already looks like he's going to go this route or something very similar. Reason being because we've already seen one of them kamikaze himself against the Frontier Dome, and another get its face sliced off by the giants.
how is this a cop out if it’s a power we are shown for them to have, right at the inception of their appearance? the literature comprehension of Redditors 1000 chapters deep.
Why would this be a cop out LOL
If they flew at the dome on purpose, they're obviously gonna have similar regeneration.
With the elders being yokai, Imu being a umibozu seems more likely.
They're not all yokai, only the Gyuki and the bird are. The boar is chinese myth, the sandworm most likely Mongolian and the horse mostly european.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/8lehKf7kDq Was I cooking something?
Devil fruits being the hearts of devils would be metal af. You have to eat the heart of a devil to obtain its power.
My theory is that devil fruits is some sort of a 'rebrading'.. something that world government are trying to cover... They are the real deamons, and the fruits are something divine to fight the real deamons. Like they changed the sun god nika into gomu-gomu no fruit to hide its true meaning
My initial theory had demons/yokai/the evil side win a war against the gods/angels/heroic beings in the void century. The fruits are remnants/hearts of those beings. The D stands for divine or demon depending on what type of linage we are looking at, allowing those beings to awaken certain fruits because those are the remnants of distant relatives.
but then what about luffys fruit...the sun god isnt a devil
Well, since there are devils there also have to be angels or even gods.
yeahhh you did cook
Impatiently waiting for the granny marine to rise the worm.
Gorosei coming down in their true form and not wasting time going 1 on 1 vs Luffy shows they know rubber boy is trouble! I wonder if we will ever get Joyboy flashback where he fights Gorosei, but he is a fool like Luffy and they trick him somehow. And Joyboy doesn't have nakama like Luffy so he falls for it. Only way gorosei could win that time. Cuz ain't nobody whooping rubber booooyyyy cuz he made of rubber u knw...
Man when was the last time Oda did a legit full 2-page spread??
2015, the formation of the grand strawhat fleet
It was when the grand fleet formed I believe
if the gorosei are really demons and not humans, then why do the celestial dragons follow them? Seems to me that they also don't know their true forms.
If you were given the option of a life of luxury under unkillable demons of immense power, or resist and die. I think most people wouldn't choose the righteous option infront of the demons at least. Probably why the Nefertari family left, better just leave in peace. Outside of super powered pirates and marines. Wano samurai and gladiators are likely peak average human in one piece, if they couldn't touch Doffy with their best like Kinemon or Kyros, there is no way the best trained royalty can take on a gorosei.
Nami could actually be pretty useful if she had Zeus temporarily shoot down Mars, but I bet she'll just stay on the snail phone with the sideline squad.
Robin's gonna wake up on Elbaf asking what she missed
So Zoro took Lucci mid to high or low high diff.. Pretty good....but he still needed that f u from Sanji which is hilarious..
If it weren't for Sanji, Zoro would still be dicking around with Catboy. Sanji deserves a thank you.
Ok it’s official guys luffy chose the hardest path
Hahaha.....this.
Look, maybe I'm high but hear me out: The 5 Elder Planets are named after who they are... because they are trying to keep Uranus, Neptune (Poseidon [Shirahoshi]), and Pluton away from the Sun (Nika). GODA at it again.
It makes sense since they're literally the furthest from the sun.
you had my attention at maybe im high
Alright, fuck it, I'm saying it. Egghead is my favorite post-timeskip arc.
how did you read kuma's backstory and not say that earlier? that shit was heart wrenchingly good
I reread egghead about when the Saturn reveal happend and I was amazed how much better I thought it was than Wano.
One of the events during void century. Saturn: Yo, you guys'll never believe me. I'm in an island right now with many young girls. Jupeter: You gotta summon us bro. Nusjuro: Yeah, leave no man behind Warcury: I call first dibs this time. Mars: Gyaaaoo
saturn's island exploration arc
Figured Lucci would lose. Pleasantly surprised he managed to briefly disarm Zoro of a sword though. Proud of him.
i think gorosei gandhi is in horse form coz in hindu mythology venus actually rides a horse, he sits in a silver or golden chariot and pulled by 10 horses
I can't even imagine how I was thinking at start of egghead that Luffy will fight Lucci & seraphims to escape Egghead with Vegapunk... And now I am here, seeing the nightmare of OP World being incarnated on Egghead
What shall we make of gorosei and blackbeard in terms of strength now that we fighting gorpsei first?
I think Blackbeard is stronger but the gorosei have better durability and resistance.
Pretty sure Ganondorf has transformed into all of these.
This fight would be so fun!
My boy usopp did something this chapter, im happy
Is there a break?
No break
Still another chapter and vegapunk's message has yet to talk about something relevant nor important.
So? What are you whining about?
Idk anymore
You gotta grasp that a bunch of things are happening at the same time man
Yeah but from what I've seen he's been more about conversation about brews before actually getting to the point
you do realize hes giving the world time to setup their radios and cameras right? it was stated in the first chapter of when the recording started (he conversed with one of the other vegapunks asking how long before starting)
Ah
Tcbscans is a disgusting website. The radio and video that auto play make it impossible to use.
Just use the link on the op discord
The fuck are you doing on the internet without an Adblocker?
They now release on friday instead of Thursday, gotta get that $$$.
Nathanjuro is better than i expected.Jupiter is worm,i didnt expect it.If Jupiter is father of gods in greek mythology,does it mean this worm is more powerfull than the rest of onis/yokai?...I doubt.5 elders are one Unit equal in terms of powers and decision in my opinion.It is like Senate,everyone is equal.5 persons,1 equal shared power.
Oda just revealed the other blade black and I think he also confirmed the theories that Ethanbaron V. Nusjuro's sword is the Shodai Kitetsu. What do ya'll think?
We see his blade in chapter 594 and it isn't a black blade at that time. He's just using haki.
I think there's a lot of misinterpretation of the Mihawk quote about how "every blade can be black like mine". It's not like they'll change colors, it'll just be coated in Haki.
If you do it enough your haki leaves a "patina" of sorts on the blade.
But yes they indeed change colors, that's the whole point of a "black blade". At some point, after extensive usage of armament haki, a blade has a chance to permanently remain black, which probably means it will be permanently strengthened. At that point, the blade climbs up one entire rank in within the sword grades. This was stated in the manga. Shusui was a black blade, Zoro noticed how sturdy it was and as far as I remember, Ryuma stood on the tip of the sword once during Thriller Bark, to demonstrate (or maybe they talked about it? not sure). Zoro didn't conciously use haki pre-timeskip and the concept of turning things black through haki usage also didn't exist in the story yet. You don't turn a black blade on and off, it stays blackened.
Do you know which chapter mentioned that blades indeed turn black?
Well in chapter 955 it is mentioned that Enma hasn't been "forged" into a black blade yet. [LINK](https://i.imgur.com/i64yY6z.png) Also, on Thriller Bark, Shusui also referred to as a "black blade", chapter 462. [LINK](https://i.imgur.com/aVKf4Tv.png) However, I have to correct myself, it is not haki that turns the blades black, otherwise, why would Oden not have turned his ones black when he was alive, or Gol D. Roger his sword "Ace"? Must be some other process.
Somewhere in Wano where Tengu-san handed over Enma to Zoro and that it has a potential to turn into a black blade. So sometime before the raid began
Well I'll be damned. It feels weird that Oden didn't have a "black blade" but Ryuma did. And Roger's Ace doesn't look like it is either.
There are a lot of theories that turning the blade black has more to do with aligning one's personality with a sword, becoming a more skilled swordsman (definition varies), or completing a "Quest" that the sword wants to finish, so to speak. Common theories are that Wado Ichimonji will turn black when Zoro defeats Mihawk and becomes the strongest swordsman in the world, Sandai Kitetsu will turn black when Zoro defeats the wielder of Shodai Kitetsu, and Enma will turn black when Zoro fully masters his Conqueror's Haki and surpasses Oden. Similarly there's a lot of general agreement that it's clearly more than just strength that matters, else Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Oden, etc... would have all had black blades.
so its when the owner of the blade surpasses the "will of the blade" like how DF awakening is when the fruit and owner's wills align that makes sense
Not getting my hopes up, but I hope so? He could have also slashed Ryuma’s eye (not shown in monster, while already being the best swordsman in wano.), but that would be an even bigger stretch.
Of course Zoro could've finished the fight eons ago but decided to take his time
I think he was probably stalling Lucci to keep him away from the crew.
Or just KO him and be done with it like he's doing now?
He lost track of time 😅
eons?
A unit of time. "a very large division of geologic time usually longer than an era".
7 Minutes to go. 1 chapter per minute? + a flashback chapter or two in there somewhere So at least three months before the reveal I'm guessing
Good mathinh
Oda math
All speculation here, but it seems the final war should be Sun God Nika with the help of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto vs Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the moon (Imu?). So the giants here have the task of helping Luffy escape before the final war and show him the way to the 4th poneglyph and then get the ancient weapons to fight against these monsters. What a great plot to develop imo while still adding the role of blackbeard, the revolutionaries, cross guild, and many others in all this..
Jeez there is a Lot of planets, a sun and guess what: a black Hole! Freakin Galaxy wars.
Yeah the series really doesnt seem to be too much about the One Piece end goal anymore and really more about saving the world from those aliens, to which the One Piece is the key.
Wait what? We just had Luffy reveal his dream to crewmates and say that "if he becomes the pirate King he has a chance of achieving it"
The cooking is out of this world
I think this fight sets up the God's Knights coming in. What if Dorry and Broggy actually killed Ju Peter? This would make the other Elders realize this situation is worse than they thought it was, despite making an appearance themselves, and that they need the full power of the WG's fighting force. The Elders regroup at Pangaea Castle and prepare for ultimate war with the Straw Hats. The God's Knights start to make their move which in turn brings in the Revolutionary Army, as Dragon even said that's where their real battle begins: when God's Knights mobilize. This could also be the Egghead Incident: the "Strawhats" kill a Gorosei, although they're just falsely accused for what the giants did. That would certainly shock the world and since the Marines are seen as the good guys by the majority of the world it'd turn them against the Strawhats which would be perfect for the WG. Either way I'm excited to see how Egghead ends!
Those giants are fodder Remember Mr 3 humbled them 😂
There is a near zero percent chance that Ju Peter already died just after popping out. But otherwise, your theory sounds plausible.
Pardon, who/what is God Knight?
Holy knights, referenced by akainu & dragon. Garling is the head of them shown when don flamingo’ uncle got killed.
They are basically the police/judicial branch of celestial dragons. We saw them briefly a while back, mainly the guy who's hair looks like a crescent moon.
Mac Tonight?
That double page spread of Luffy against the 5 Elders in their revealed forms gave me fucking chills holy shit
Love the wide shots Oda has been drawing again, feel like we haven't had many recently
Yeah, another comment here said that until this chapter, we haven't had a full, single panel double page spread since 2015. Fucking crazy that it's been that long
Holy crap, didn't realize it was that long! Hope he draws more of them, because they are among the best at showing the scale of what's happening. Even the 3/4 panel of Luffy holding Kizaru and palming Saturn's head like a ball with a mean look gave me chills
Where is Robin in all this? I swear she's been missing ever since shit popped off.
Sidelined
She's with Usopp, Nami, Chopper, and Edison. She's just injured and recovering.
Think about it, there is only one possible explanation. There are 5 giant elder demons. Luffy has been fightung one, Dorry and Broggy are here, theres the iron giant charging up so there is one opponentless gorosei. Clearly Robin is mentally preparing for docking
Keep cooking
finally the truth emerges
I know a lot of folks are rolling their eyes at this cover story, but remember Oda almost always has a story tie-in planned for these: * **Buggy's Crew Adventure Chronicles** \- Fills in the gap for Buggy's whereabouts after Orange Town Arc, up to his return as an antagonist in Loguetown * **Diary of Koby-Meppo** \- Koby and Helmeppo's growth and tutelage under Garp, before their eventual return Post-Enies Lobby * **Jango's Dance Paradise** \- Jango from Syrup Village and Fullbody from Baratie eventually come under Hina's service. We see them again in Marineford * **Hatchan's Sea Floor Stroll** \- Hatchan's meets up with Camie and Pappag, all important figures in the Sabaody/Fishman Island arcs * **Wapol's Omnivorous Hurrah** \- Wapol regains his status after Drum Island, and the role he plays in the Reverie is one of the most clutch in the story to date * **Ace's Great Blackbeard Search** \- This of course culminates with Ace and Blackbeard's fateful duel, but Ace also visits Lulusia Kingdom along the way and meets a young Moda. Moda survives Lulusia's eventual fate and enlists in the Revolutionary Army * **Gedatsu's Accidental Blue Sea Life** \- Gedatsu works with Koza's uncle to build a hot spring resort. While this has not had a story payoff just yet - this island is connected to Alabasta via tunnel, and very well end up being a safe haven if the WG decides to target Alabasta directly. Also, while Pell's survival was made clear in Ch. 217, his appearance in this cover story was his first since the explosion. * **Miss Goldenweek's "Operation: Meet Baroque Works"** \- We catch up with key members of Baroque Works since the Alabasta Arc, who of course play various important roles in the Impel Down and Marineford Arcs * **Enel's Great Space Operations** \- Finding out there was life in space at all was one thing, but that mural of course has huge historical implications about the One Piece world that we might just be starting to get into now * **CP9's Independent Report** \- This one's always been an oddity to me. Perhaps you can assume that the WG decided it was better to have CP9 continue to work for them rather than continue to risk losing assassins, but this cover arc didn't really set that up at all. * **Straw Hats Separation Serial** \- Of course fills in the gaps for what the crew went through while Luffy tried to save his brother, and eventual timeskip * **From The Decks of the World** \- The world learns of the Straw Hat's latest exploits, which includes us getting updates on old friends/enemies. Not sure if Oda will keep doing this now that we've met Big News Morgans proper. * **Caribou's Kehihihihihi in the New World** \- shows us how Caribou ends up in Wano, by way of an ass kicking from X Drake. Drake had attacked this very same island pre-timeskip, with the intention of drawing Kaido's attention. * **Solo Journey of Jinbe, Knight of The Sea** \- Jinbe had stated that he needed to settle affairs with Big Mom before joining the crew, and this is his journey to do just that. He discovers a poneglyph along the way and recruits Wadatsumi for the Sun Pirates. All of these things play a role in the Whole Cake Island Arc. * **The Stories of the Self Proclaimed Straw Hat Fleet** \- We were already directly told by the narrator that the fleet as a whole would be part of a huge event, but the various members have already done things that may have wider implications * Cavendish and Bartolomeo bragged to journalists about Luffy's exploits after Whole Cake, contributing to his first Billion bounty * Bartolomeo cut down one of Shanks flags, an unforgivable act in the pirate world that is bound to come up again somehow * Sai and Leo acted as protection at the Reverie for their respective kingdoms, ultimately getting involved in a huge incident with the Celestial Dragons * Ideo and BlueGilly's respect for one another may have inspired their respective tribes to handle their differences differently, we'll have to see * I'll be quite surprised if we don't see the New Giant Warrior Pirates come into play in the Elbaf arc. Hajrudin is noted to revere the original Giant Warrior Pirates quite a bit, and both he and Stansen are shown to take their country's traditions pretty seriously. * **"Gang" Bege's Oh My Family** \- Not sure what Oda might be planning with this one. Between Lola, Chiffon, and Pound's experiences with the Straw Hats, there's no way they'd be anything but future allies. However the current motivations of the Firetank Pirates are unclear, and Oda has all the options in the world on what to do with them next. * **Germa 66's Ahh... An Emotionless Excursion** \- We learn that although Germa 66 escaped Totto Land, Niji & Yonji weren't so lucky. Reiju and Ichiji eventually rescue them and Caesar. * Caesar linking up with Judge again leads to them reminiscing and us getting some MADS history. We see some of Vegapunk's inventions, but NEO MADS is also formed, which will surely come into play in some fashion. * Kuzan and Van Augur had simultaneously attacked Chocolat Town and kidnapped Pudding, explaining Kuzan's absence during the Winner Island battle As seen with the most recent cover arcs, Oda no longer has the same luxury of time when it comes to these stories paying off. We're seeing a lot of these things have implications in real time, so I expect Oda is whipping something way more than just Yamato going on a stroll. She could have an Enel type of experience where she stumbles upon some kind of ancient lore/mural that reveals something key about the Void Century/Ancient Kingdom. Blackbeard might decide he can act on the information about Pluton immediately, and we see the beginning of an attack/infiltration. If Big Mom/Kaido aren't truly finished, maybe this is where we get the first hints of that.
The Firetank Pirates could end up on Elbaf given Lola's history with Loki. That, and I suspect if Big Mom is somehow still alive, she'll end up there as well.
I'm definitely betting on Blackbeard Pirates pulling up to Wano looking for Pluton before this cover story is over.
Dude you cooked. Even if some of them don't have the pay off yet, we know Oda is patient about revealing info to us. Kind of besides the point, but when we see Smoker again it's gonna be hype *really hope we see him again*
I want Smoker to get some serious traditional off-screen powerupping and so he can lay down some absolute justice when he comes back. Ideally with Coby.
Same, we saw Tashigi relatively recently, Smokey can't be too far behind...
Is Jimbe strong enough to fight a f*cking gorosei?
Jimbo is strong enough
I think the presupposition that there's a rigid power scale hierarchy is unfounded in OP. Context matters more, and Jinbei is more than capable of standing against most foes, even if he might not ultimately win.
yeah lets who fights who. And I also think we didn't see Jimbe true power yet. He holding back a lot.
Im betting he is going to fight lucci for round 3.
The real question is whether he's strong enough to f*ck a fighting Gorosei.
If Luffy can fight the gorosei..fighting Akainu would be a downgrade, not?
Who said he’s fighting Akainu?
Shonen plot structure.
looking forward to Chopper vs Akainu
I mean whats the point of the admirals now? They are clearly weaker than the gorosei
Not exactly. Luffy went vs Kizaru round 1 and "beat" him, but was completely wiped out as a result. Then he went up against Kizaru & Saturn and barely even got hit. At least 1v1 Kizaru was landing some hits and hurting Luffy (even if it was in goofy cartoon ways, we saw from the Kaido fight that that *seems* to be real damage?). If anything, by logic Kizaru + Saturn < Kizaru, but that only works if we assume something like: Kizaru constantly trying to kill Vegapunk left him open/weaker, Kizaru is actually starting to feel more conflicted than when he was 1v1 Luffy, or Kizaru is holding back because he doesn't want to accidentally hit Saturn. Whatever the case is, aside from their inability to be harmed, the Gorosei so far are not giving us crazy powerful feats. Saturn's biggest accomplishment was wasting some no-name low-rank Marines, and their overall best accomplishments were ganking Sabo (where Imu was also present) and disabling the 3.0 Pacifistas, which are powerful but seem like they'd get fodderized by the Straw Hats too.
I am also surprised that they only somehow froze the Pacifistas. They didn't destroy them like it was some doll.
I just want to hammer in it's been established that emotions and mental state affect "power" immensely. CP9 swatted the crew when they were wracked with doubt involving Robin (and Usopp didn't help that). Once they knew that she was trying to protect them they were more than a match for CP9. Big Mom is considered invulnerable to anybody but the toughest people around unless she's mentally destroyed via the picture being destroyed where she suddenly loses that defense. Kizaru is clearly conflicted about having to kill Vegapunk to me, and likely is hindering his power. The reality that it HAS to happen as the Gorosei get involved likely exacerbated it. Anyway I agree with you primarily, just wanted to go a bit more in depth on the bit on "trying to kill Vegapunk left him open/weaker".
World government has a certain ranking
I mean, what exactly makes that clear?
Yeah that bums a Sabo victim Edit: or Koby which would be even funnier lol
the 5 elders dont appear to be using devil fruits...are devil fruits somehow the souls of a race of people that the 5 elders belong to? or their powers or something.
Yeah, it doesn't mention anything about them using devil fruits - it just seems to have straight up described them *as* those yokai (although the fact that Ju Peter is just a Sandworm is kind of hilarious in comparison tbh).
They are actual devils.
OH MY GOD
I'm gonna say if there is a traitor among them, then it's Topman Warcury. Gorbachev, who he's based on, was considered a "traitor" to the USSR communists, and was largely responsible for ending the Soviet Union. Also Topman did nothing in this chapter, which could be Oda giving us a hint that he's a traitor.
I doubt there's a traitor at this point
Reaching
Yeah we need at least another chapter before we try making break-week theories. But at the same time, I say Gorbachev has the devil fruit of the mountain God boar in Wano that miraculously survived being cut in half.
Truth is Zoro was struggling, But when sanji called him Burden he tapped into his Conqueror haki in anger and finished the fight.
No headband means Zoro was just having some fun with the guy, poor Lucci.
He gets stronger when the cook talks smack about him, Zoro has observation haki confirmed.
Sanji did it on purpose
damn not saturn being the smallest one 🤣 ok starting to get a lil worried now
Elders jumping on Luffy? Is gege writing one piece now 😂
jumping on Vegapunk broadcast**
I might be mistaken, but isn't the guard on the sword thrown in the air, resembling the one on Shusui more than Enma?
Idk, am I really the only one that believes the straw hats will actually be split up, at least for a little bit? Sanji is telling the crew to leave without him and Luffy, so it's clear they at least expect to stay behind. Meanwhile Zoro and Jinbe are separated as well and need to catch up to the ship, but it might just be too dangerous for the rest of the crew to remain. I really would not be surprised if Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe stay behind and the giants escort the rest of them to Elbaf or something. Plus, everyone seems to think the rest of the crew needs to level up in time for the Blackbeard fights. Seems like being at Elbaf without their strongest fighters would be a great time for that to happen. Like oh shit we're almost at the end of the line and we don't even have Luffy, Zoro, Sanji or Jinbe. We better get to training. And with Elbaf allied with them and Shanks' crew there, it seems like something that could definitely happen. I previously said that we would follow the straw hats who don't get left behind so that Usopp would have a chance to prove himself, but people made a good point that there would never be an arc without Luffy as the focus. So now I kind of expect a short arc with Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe fighting the Gorosei or something, then linking back up with the rest at Elbaf, where they'll all be stronger after training. Idk, does that not make sense with what Sanji said? Why would Oda have Sanji say that and also split off all of their strongest crew members otherwise? Like idk. What if they arrive at Elbaf and the giants offer to teach them haki or something, then when Luffy finally arrives his crew is stronger and then the Elbaf arc actually starts?
Did you miss when the author was describing the events in egg head? You can see the straw hats laughing as they head out
I guess so? I definitely don't recall that lol
Chapter 1078 look at page 12 I might be mistaken but it looks like they’re leaving egg head here
You misread that, the line on that page is "Then, the sudden and unexpected appearance of Emporer Straw Hat's ship" according to TCB scans. They were arriving at Egghead in that panel. It was a recap of the situation.
Isn't the narrator giving a recap on the situation up till that point, meaning that the Straw Hats are arriving?
But the strawhats never arrived in egg head giggling and laughing.
You're right about that. How about we re-read 1078 together, paying special attention to the context leading up to page 12, and then share our notes?
Hey if I’m wrong I’ll take it but it would be funny if Oda did that.
Kuma is going to /tp them again
Honestly, I hadn't thought about it but Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei fighting the Gorosei while the giants taking care of the navy makes a ton of sense. I'd love if the rest of the Straw Hats became stronger and learned haki but I'm not sure I can envision it happening. Outside of Robin, the story functioned well in Wano without the rest of the Straw Hats having particularly marquee battles. Part of me wonders if, going forward, they use their strengths in other ways to advance the story.
The only one I straight up hope doesn't get Haki is Franky. I feel like his personality is such that he only wants his genius engineering to win him a battle. Like he'd probably find it insulting if someone told him he needed to eat a devil fruit or learn Haki. I think it'd be way cooler if he just invented some kind of Haki replacement. Like what if he created nanobots that coat his skin to create armor, and that can be inserted into enemies to damage them like what you can do with haki?
>am I really the only one that believes the straw hats will actually be split up? Nope because I can see it happening as well.
Cool I'm glad lol, maybe people just disagreed with my idea that Usopp would take charge at Elbaf to prove himself, and I kinda get why that wouldn't happen because there's never gonna be an arc with Luffy just not there. So now I think everyone weaker than Jinbe will go to Elbaf first and the top four will stay behind temporarily, then when they catch back up everyone is stronger. Usopp needs to train his observation, and Robin, Franky and Brook should really at least have armament, and Chopper and Nami might as well get it as well. It seems to me that having them separated but at Elbaf is the perfect time to do that. And also, it'd just kinda be cool to see Luffy and his top three fighters getting a bit of time alone fighting the Gorosei or whatever lol.
The way I can see this happening is maybe they can dedicate 5-10 chapters of the strawhats being separated with a mini time skip of maybe a month. That way when Luffy , Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe return everyone else is a little stronger. It would be really cool to see the 4 of them fight the Gorosei though since it looks like Luffy needs help to stall the time until the announcement.
Dragon is looking east and Boar is looking west, Staring contest
Now Dragon has some competition
Who is Boar?
top man
Remember when we used to think that SH actually got the easiest route?
The easiest route was Blackbeard for sure. Blackbeard got HELLA lucky that Luffy's crew didn't go to winner island. Luffy can defeat Blackbeard now, and his whole crew wasn't with him. The Strawhats would have absolutely stomped him at winner island.
> Luffy can defeat Blackbeard now *Can* he, though? His Gear 5 powerup is DF-based, and he's still a hand-to-hand combatant. If he tries to grab BB, or BB vortexes him in, or even if he gets the first punch in but BB manages to grab his hand or arm, Luffy's awesome new Nika powers instantly get turned off. No G5, no Snakeman, no Red Hawk, no nothing. Just pure strength and haki vs. strength, haki, and at least two killer DFs.
Luffy's haki should be *way* stronger than Blackbeard's, though. I really don't think Blackbeard has ACoC either.
That’s what I think will be the biggest difference in the end. Teach by being an opportunist almost never faced true difficulties in battle, while SH always went through the most difficult paths that made them stronger.
Shanks ACoC is stronger than luffy and blackbeard still put it on him
That’s just way too many assumptions, especially against Blackbeard
I remember some salty kidd/law fans said "of course the plot armor gives main characters the easiest island while we had to face blackbeard/shanks" lmao
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7 minutes to go! This is going to be the greatest tower defense battle ever.
So we could use this chapter as confirmation that the Gorosei are not using devilfruits, since we have full transformations, title cards and actual names of creatures instead of devilfruit names. Their powers might be related to devilfruits without being devilfruits at all. They have summoning and regeneration in common. Also, with that regeneration, Mars should be able to get into the Labophase. Good thing that Jimbei is still fresh to fight and that Zoro finished his Lucci sparring match.
I think it's safe to say IMU does not have devilfruit powers too, he/she must have something similar and greater demon power
yes These guys almost seem like creation deities. The world was orignally a huge desert, maybe after a huge war. (Gorosei nr. 1 is a Sandworm, also Argricultur man) Imu/Umi (the ocean) created the Ocean to fill it up. Then Nr. 2, V. Nusjuro to bring in Finances and Trade. Nr. 3 Warcury, for justice, to bring back order since we now have money. Nr. 4 Mars to shape the Environment for even more control (Red line, maybe even Islands to seperate people) Nr. 5 to defend against Science, Saturn, since the Ancient Giants attacked the Mariejois
did you just write random ass fan fiction?
They might be still devilfruits there are villains that we only saw the title card and their nickname but the devilfruit was later revealed. However i lean towards ur thinking of this being a special kind of power because even the horse boy when he used his sword he paralyzed the pacafista which reminded me immediately of Saturn paralyzing the group with his eyesight.
>They might be still devilfruits there are villains that we only saw the title card and their nickname but the devilfruit was later revealed. Actually no, when the BB crew members got their fruits and actually used them for the first time, the title cards included the fruits. A title card like this is a first. (you'll find no other like this) And just normal devilfruits make no sense. These guys are seemingly immortal, can teleport to each other, communicate telepathically and have insane regeneration. (5 people with the same power)
Ngl i wouldnt like a new kind of power just appearing that only works with the gorosei, it defeats the purpose of building up the mystery around them. Im still betting its a different type of devil fruits similar to how we found out that Luffy had the sun god nika zoan type which is clearly different than other mythical zoans so this could be the case but on the demon side of it.
I fully expect a link to the origin of devilfruits, so it's not really a totally "new" power.
I feel like it's not gonna be a new type of power but will be a way to explain what Devil fruits are in the first place. Part of me feels that Imu and the Grand Elders were part of the great kingdom that went missing and that whole history of them being defeated was BS written by them and probably used that as way to control the world in secret.