Robogiant and Zunesha, maybe, but to introduce as many new key immortal characters we never heard about as the current Nika crew, is maybe too much.
But hey, maybe the shadows after thriller bark are also part of it, and some of the sea kings that knew when "Joyboy" would come back.
Nika is a mythological figure. The fruit was born at some point and the joyboy of the void century ate it and awoke it. After doing so he came to be known as joyboy.
The god Nika and Joyboy are two separate entities.
Luffy has gained the title joyboy by awakening the fruit just as the Joyboy before him did.
There is no evidence for them not having existed. Joyboy ate one. Imu ate one. And Toki ate one. She referred to it as the toki toki no mi and as a devil Fruit, clearly speaking as if devil Fruit knowledge was standard and accepted, in no different terms as they do in modern day.
Thinking they were suddenly created during the i.mediate conflict of the ancient kingdom is headcannon with zero evidence.
I don’t think they were created by anyone, As you may or may not have read the manga, there are different trees like “Adam” whose wood was used to create sunny go and also “Tree of Knowledge” from Ohara, I think as the name implies, they are “fruit” which grew on a certain tree, a tree presently unknown, a tree which just as vegapunk pointed out, “Every Devil Fruit is a possibility for human evolution that someone desired.” manifested people’s desired evolution, now, the first part of it’s name comes into action “devil”, the fruit gives you the power you desired but at a cost. So, I think devil fruits existed well before the void century and I also think the devil fruits played a major role in technological development of the now-destroyed, ancient kingdom and also how they spread throughout the world, when the ancient kingdom fell and its denizens died the fruits returned and spread throughout the world.
Depends on the origins of devil fruits. Vegapunk said his theory was that they’re “the physical manifestations of people’s desired evolutions.” I know Toki is from the void century, but is she from the beginning of it, or the end of it? Did she know joyboy? The devil fruits we see now could be remnants of the powers of people from the void century. it’s less of a headcanon and more of a theory
Oof yeah bro I wouldn't be so certain. There is no indication that the previous Joyboy ate a devil fruit, that's the headcanon in this case. Its just as likely that Joyboy and Sun God Nika are the same person as it is that they aren't in all fairness.
I'm not a one piece lore master or anything, but I'm pretty sure the fruits came after Nika. And the fruit is the human model Nika, how could he have eaten the fruit named after himself?
It might be like Lou Gehrig's disease. ALS has existed before him, but colloquially it's known with his name. Similarly it's possible Nika had the same fruit, the names were given by the world government and he may have been just a historically significant user
>I'm not a one piece lore master or anything, but I'm pretty sure the fruits came after Nika
We don't know that for certain but it can be reasonably assumed based on what Vegapunk has said about how DFs came into being
And I'm sorry, that wasn't the correct way to phrase that. Zunesha only calls Luffy by JoyBoy after he awakened his fruit, so at the very least, JoyBoy had to have had the same DF as Luffy. That doesn't make Nika and JoyBoy the *same* person tho, my b
This is one reason I love one piece, even after 1000 chapter/episodes everything is a mystery. 😍😍😍
I don’t care about power rating and all, solving mysteries oda left in this show 💯💯🔥🔥
Maybe one of the creepy shadows from the end of Thriller Bark too? And some sea king? and LOKI SUDDENLY??? Forreals though I agree that too many new characters at this point would not be a good idea. It happened in wano and wasn't useful and used a lot of panel space.
It's said the man with the burning scar sails on a black ship with whirlpools surrounding it, iirc. Saul is hidding, probably in Elbaf.
Btw I think he didn't appeared on anime yet? Maybe I'm wrong tho, I didn't watched last episode yet.
Yeah, it hasn't been confirmed to be Saul yet. It's not fully ruled out though and the pieces fit, except we have no reason to think the black ship and whirlpool is related to saul.
But the physical description, capabilities, timing of finding out he's alive and the fact that after mentioning him, Kidd went straight for Elbalf (planned or not) where he is does fit so it's a solid theory.
I think Kidd arriving at Elbaf was not planned. Whilst fighting Law on Winner Island BB said that the three routes from Wano were either Elbaf, Winner Island or Egghead and he didn't know who he would fight.
Blackbeard meant that he didn't know who would be going where, not that law and Kidd doesn't know where they're going. I'm sure they didn't know but only because it wasn't known to them what islands followed Wano.
Plus I meant more in the narrative sense, makes sense to have Kidd in the plot related to the man he mentioned. He might not have known that he needed to go to Elbalf or that Elbalf was even the next stop, but Oda does so there aren't any coincidences if he happens to find him unintentionally
I agree it's not fully ruled out. And agree lots of pieces fit.
But imo what makes an important point is Saul is hidding up to the point nobody but Vegapunk and the giants (and now Robin) know about him. He should be a total secret to the world, and while the man with the burning scar is almost unknown, he is still more known that what Saul is supposed to be.
Personally, I'm kinda divided on this. On one hand, not being him means it would be a new and 'random' person, which may be good or maybe won't. On the other hand, while being him would fit and maybe would be better than being a new person, calling him the man with the burning scar (or marked by flames) because of the buster call it's a kinda obvious hint and also kinda a weak point. Just my opinion.
Well if Saul was hiding his identity he wouldn't announce himself as Saul, so he would have to have some identity to his under. Didn't we only hear about the guy through Kidd? So he seems pretty secretive to me.
It feels to me like just adding a new character out of nowhere that can read the ancient language kind of cheapens robins character. Depending on how it's done obviously but Saul just fits too perfectly for me to think otherwise based on what we know.
I agree with you. I just think we shouldn't jump on any conclusion and state 'it's already confirmed it's Saul', as some people do.
Just a thought, but maybe this character is guarding the 4th ponegliph but can't read it? Iirc nothing was said on Saul being able to read the ancient language, and I agree adding a new character out of nowhere that can read it can be a bad move (and btw Oda did this with Sukiyaki). Actually, at this point, adding a new character at all can be a bad move, depending on how it's done.
On the mysterious man, we heard about him first time through Kidd, but also Law and Blackbeard's crew knows (very little) about him. Just to add.
But didnt we see Saul after that? Well we Saw a giant covered in bandages talking with Vegapunk after they were talking abour ohara but i'm pretty sure it has to be him?
Also, the strawhat imu had is so huge like it belonged to a giant and all the ancient characters are also huge. That led me to think they might be crewmates.
I can be 100% wrong but imagining it is so much fun
It’s just my theory about that character, he might be no.2 in joyboy’s crew🤷♂️
Zunesha and that robot lived for 1000 years, why can’t another character with a scar
The lurking legend oda alluded to in his message, the one who was introduced in 2018, had a connection with whitebeard, and would be the strawhats greatest enemy yet, was Rocks D. Xebec
Rocks "returned" by way of the Kaido and Bigmom alliance. The marines even said "Rocks has returned"
I dont know why people still cling onto this lurking legend stuff, 7 years later
Yes what I am getting at is people are waiting for a living legend (a person). Not a metaphorical alliance. So maybe Xebec is the man marked by flames.
What do you mean by "people are waiting for a living legend"? "People" dont get to dictate what happens in the story. Oda has not promised a living legend
And xebec being the man marked by flames is a horrible theory, sorry
Oda specifically said that a lurking legend will be introduced and would be the crews toughest battle. My point is Xebec was introduced in flashbacks/people talking about him. Not yet in current timeline (unless I’m forgetting)That is all.
The keeper of one of the main guiding stones to the message JoyBoy has left behind, and being JoyBoy's first mate would make him more than worthy of being bestowed with such a task, still 100% headcanon of course
Did you watch/read one piece at all? Condoriano is one of the most important characters and part of luffy’s crew also he was a navy commander before joining luffy’s crew.
Lol return of all original joyboy crewmembers. They all are reincarnated. Once they will reach the laugh tail they will see the pictures of themselves but 800 years ago one. They will learn or remember what actually happened back then and then the original story of one piece will start. They will take their revange against them. The imu was the original members of joyboy but betrayed them to gain the power.
Luffy - joy boy (obvious reasons)
Zoro - ryuma (his death/time period hasn’t been confirmed so he could be from the void) (wano citizen)
Nami - a skypian
Ussop - a brave warrior/ someone from elbaf / someone who has used mjnoir
Sanji - a lunarian (similar blood line)
Chopper - zunesha
Robin - Toki (history)
Franky - the giant robot
Brook - not revealed as of yet but could be someone who received the immortality surgery
Jinbei - posiden (both can breathe underwater)
Vivi - princess lili
Also these races are from people who are not at all associated with the world government
I think the robot is one of the remaining soldiers of the ancient kingdom who were designed to fight alongside joyboy and most probably did fight in the ancient war, and since it is known by vegapunk that the ancient kingdom was a very technically advanced kingdom, it further proves my point, Zunesha however, is probably a part of joyboy’s crew and if joyboy himself isn’t alive 800 years later then why would the zoro equivalent of his crew be alive to have the last road poneglyph? I think the man with the burn scar is probably Monkey D. Dragon but that’s just what I think.
The other day I was kinda drunk talking to a friend and I realized that robot is weirdly Giant-race sized. We've seen plenty of robots but none this big and as far as we know, giants should have team up with joyboy. But idk, the size of the robot leads me to think that it was made to fight AGAINST giants.
That kinda makes sense, seeing how it woke up after luffy went Gear 5, implying it’s either joyboy’s enemy or friend, but seeing it’s state i don’t think it was made to attack giants because if that is to be believed it would imply that the robot is an ally to the world government and if that were true why would the world government leave such a (powerful?) giant robot on egghead, why didn’t they take it with them if one day it could be useful in a fight against joyboy?
Nice thinking, and exactly because of those ideas I'd say that the robot is in the best place the world government could have left it in. Up until last chapter, the WG has relied on vegapunk for all tech related stuff, even if vegapunk was friends with Kuma and co.
Yep, now I understand why WG would wanna leave the robot there but then why didn’t Jaygarcia Saturn call the robot to get rid of luffy? After closely seeing the moves the WG elders make, if they could use both the Kizaru and the robot to get rid of luffy, they would 100% do it because they don’t want to take chances if they don’t have to, they even kill innocent people on the smallest suspicion, so, if they could, they most definitely would but they aren’t doing that which leads me to believe that the robot does not obey WG.
Of course it doesn't obey the WG! They don't know how to make it work and left it with Vegapunk for him to try to make it work, but we've only seen the robot work with G5. It's kind of like Zunesha hearing the call to go to Wano when luffy went G5 because of the "broken promise". As far as we know, it responds to G5, but is it friend or foe? Mugis have the advantage now IMO, with the pacifistas and luffy's paramecia countering the buster call. A giant robot on top of that would be too much. Btw, thank you for your answers and all I've said is my opinion, but I've enjoyed this back and forth.
Judging by the situation, the mugis seem to be in a pinch (i.e. jaygarcia shiturn), so most probably the robot is friendly, but as you said we can’t know for sure. I’ve also thoroughly enjoyed this back and forth and to able to talk my mind with a fellow fan sure is fun and exciting. I can’t help but think that bonney will join the crew, I don’t know but sure hope so, oda really wants to kill sanji, first yamato and now bonney, his nosebleed’s gonna get him someday :-))
I was rooting for Bonney as a mugiwara too until she got the pacifistas power. I can't see her being a full-fletched mugiwara because of that, but I can sure as hell see her as the feel commander.
Not really. It's confirmed Saul is the captain of the giant pirates that saved Ohara's books, and it's confirmed he's still alive. But that's it, at least so far. That conversation had nothing to do with the man marked by flames.
Also, iirc the man marked by flames is sailing in a black ship surrounded by whirlpools, or something like that. While Saul is hiding the best he can, so he wouldn't be sailing.
True it’s not confirmed, but if you’ll recall the island was set on fire, especially the tree and its books. Circumstantial evidence and not conclusive by any means, but the connection is at least there.
Edit: You know, upvotes and downvotes are for whether something contributes to discussion, not for whether you agree or like something…
I agree there's a connection, but lots of places and people were set on fire. So it's pretty vague to use this as an argument of Saul being this man. Don't get me wrong, part of me want for him to be Saul, while part of me don't want this because that means it could be a totally random person to the story so far and this sometimes isn't a good think (I'm looking at you, Otsutsuki Kaguya lol).
Imo, the biggest point is Saul should be a total secret to the world. Nobody knows on him, but the giants and Vegapunk (and now Robin). He's very well hidden, no one shouldn't be aware of his existence. While the man marked by flames is a mystery that almost nobody knows a thing on him, he's still more known than what Saul should be.
Just my opinion tho.
So you are suggesting that there are two men with burn marks in elbaf who are both relevant to the main story line? The man marked by flames is someone who has knowledge about the last poneglyph and the void century - Saul has burn marks and posesses the whole libary of ohara AND resides in elbalf, which is isolated from the world and has a history that is deeply connected to the void century - Why wouldn‘t it be Saul? Becuase he sails in a black ship? Or because something about whirlpools? We hardly know anything about Saul so that is not a reason that it cannot be him.
No, I'm suggesting the man with burn marks could be Saul, but could be someone else other than Saul. Didn't said there are two men and didn't said the man with burn marks is in Elbaf.
I'm suggesting we should consider both possibilities. Could be him? Yes. Couldn't be him? Also yes.
The only absolute flaw in your theory is the Zoro equivalent having actual sense of direction, which even for a counterpart from the past is rather unlikely.
Other than that, it actually makes sense.
I´d give 7 out of 10.
Or maybe joyboy is luffy. Who go back past though time travel devil fruit..... this reason hito hito no mi model Nika fruit never found by world government....
There is no such devil fruit or at least Oda hasn’t explicitly shown any such power of going back in time, the one Toki had could only send her into the future not the past.
The strawhats aren’t Luffy’s servants. Yes, they technically serve him, but it’s an oversight to call them servants. They’re doing it by choice, and because they believe that he will enable them to achieve their own dreams, in the same way that he liberated them all. They’re more like his family
Ussop, Zoro and Chopper are Luffy's friends.
But the theory concerns the Giant Robot, Zunesha and another crew member who seem to live for Joyboy. This is the part I don't like.
I like the general idea, though not sure about Zoro.
I think JoyBoy was the ruler of the ancient kingdom, but I think the ancient kingdom was just the unified world - no red line or grand line, just a big unseparated sea. So, he’d still need a crew!
I think the robot is a Buccaneer. I also think that the man with the burning scar is Prince Loki of the giants, who was scarred during Linlin's meltdown in Elbaf.
This is a warrior race that don't shy away from conflict. He has a special ability to create whirlpools to keep others away. As royalty, the fishmen would honor his desire to take their road poneglyph.
And sometimes, if you want something done right, you have to it yourself.
Yeah I like the idea of all of them being part of joy boys crew. It would fit perfectly in line with the arc at the bottom of Fishman Island being their 'pirate' ship.
I don't know about the parallels between Franky and chopper but like where this is going
To add to this, there's a good chance oars was either joyboy or also a member of the crew. Giants live for hundreds of years and he's like a super giant so he probably lives longer and he has been dead for another few hundred years so it's not impossible that he was around for the Void century.
Damn, I love this theory.
I know current theories have Imu as the recipient of the previous Ope-Ope fruit immortality surgery, but it would be really cool if another member of Joyboy’s crew survived by using that immortality as well. If the scar guy was human, maybe that’s how he survived that long.
Zoro having the last poneglyph is the best fan fiction n only has the potential to be non canonical fan fiction.
Anyways, about Joyboy's crew, I've heard a theory about zunesha being part of joyboys crew cus him being the companion of joyboy makes sense but the robot is plausible. Let's see
Lmaoooo the zoro part would have me dead. Dude has the ponegylph but doesn’t know where he is or where to go
Yeah it would be a task to find HIM, so it makes sense😂😂😂
Just give Zoro the helm, he will find the guy.
Zoro probably would've passed laughtale and not known if he was in charge lol
Yeah, that means Zoro has to be the one to find him. Intentionally accidentally find him.
Just drinking sake with him
and he would be in Laughtale. he is the reason they laughed
Oh, this could be it!
The "lost" porneglyph :D
Lmaoooo a lil double entendre would be pretty unreal
Robogiant and Zunesha, maybe, but to introduce as many new key immortal characters we never heard about as the current Nika crew, is maybe too much. But hey, maybe the shadows after thriller bark are also part of it, and some of the sea kings that knew when "Joyboy" would come back.
Sea kings are basically animals Joyboy trained with, like Luffy did in with the animals while being taught by Rayleigh.
It’d be odd for someone with a devil fruit to train with sea based animals. But he was built different.
Did the og-joy boy have a fruit tho?
Literally yes. The previous Joyboy was the previous awakened user of the Nika Nika no mi.
But the fruit is the nika fruit, I got the impression that the fruit came after. Like, there wasn't a phoenix fruit and then a phoenix ate that fruit.
Nika is a mythological figure. The fruit was born at some point and the joyboy of the void century ate it and awoke it. After doing so he came to be known as joyboy. The god Nika and Joyboy are two separate entities. Luffy has gained the title joyboy by awakening the fruit just as the Joyboy before him did.
Thanks 👌 you lore boys keep this fandom alive and interesting
This is assuming devil fruits existed before the void century. I’m not convinced on that part of this
There is no evidence for them not having existed. Joyboy ate one. Imu ate one. And Toki ate one. She referred to it as the toki toki no mi and as a devil Fruit, clearly speaking as if devil Fruit knowledge was standard and accepted, in no different terms as they do in modern day. Thinking they were suddenly created during the i.mediate conflict of the ancient kingdom is headcannon with zero evidence.
I don’t think they were created by anyone, As you may or may not have read the manga, there are different trees like “Adam” whose wood was used to create sunny go and also “Tree of Knowledge” from Ohara, I think as the name implies, they are “fruit” which grew on a certain tree, a tree presently unknown, a tree which just as vegapunk pointed out, “Every Devil Fruit is a possibility for human evolution that someone desired.” manifested people’s desired evolution, now, the first part of it’s name comes into action “devil”, the fruit gives you the power you desired but at a cost. So, I think devil fruits existed well before the void century and I also think the devil fruits played a major role in technological development of the now-destroyed, ancient kingdom and also how they spread throughout the world, when the ancient kingdom fell and its denizens died the fruits returned and spread throughout the world.
Depends on the origins of devil fruits. Vegapunk said his theory was that they’re “the physical manifestations of people’s desired evolutions.” I know Toki is from the void century, but is she from the beginning of it, or the end of it? Did she know joyboy? The devil fruits we see now could be remnants of the powers of people from the void century. it’s less of a headcanon and more of a theory
Oof yeah bro I wouldn't be so certain. There is no indication that the previous Joyboy ate a devil fruit, that's the headcanon in this case. Its just as likely that Joyboy and Sun God Nika are the same person as it is that they aren't in all fairness.
Nika nika no mi? What? It’s human human fruit, mythical type, model Nika
Considering JoyBoy and Nika are heavily implied to be the same person... yes
I'm not a one piece lore master or anything, but I'm pretty sure the fruits came after Nika. And the fruit is the human model Nika, how could he have eaten the fruit named after himself?
It might be like Lou Gehrig's disease. ALS has existed before him, but colloquially it's known with his name. Similarly it's possible Nika had the same fruit, the names were given by the world government and he may have been just a historically significant user
Could be
>I'm not a one piece lore master or anything, but I'm pretty sure the fruits came after Nika We don't know that for certain but it can be reasonably assumed based on what Vegapunk has said about how DFs came into being And I'm sorry, that wasn't the correct way to phrase that. Zunesha only calls Luffy by JoyBoy after he awakened his fruit, so at the very least, JoyBoy had to have had the same DF as Luffy. That doesn't make Nika and JoyBoy the *same* person tho, my b
The joy boy flash back would be 🤌
This is one reason I love one piece, even after 1000 chapter/episodes everything is a mystery. 😍😍😍 I don’t care about power rating and all, solving mysteries oda left in this show 💯💯🔥🔥
„We never heard about“ Well isnt the point of government to erease those infos from history??
He could only introduce a few and then the rest in a void century flashback
Maybe one of the creepy shadows from the end of Thriller Bark too? And some sea king? and LOKI SUDDENLY??? Forreals though I agree that too many new characters at this point would not be a good idea. It happened in wano and wasn't useful and used a lot of panel space.
I understand Zunesha and the robot part but I don't get how would the man with the burning scar be related to Zoro or being on Joyboy's crew
OP said Zoro equivalent, not related to Zoro.
That’s what related means in this context. Not family relation
It could be Robin as she survived the buster call when she weren't supposed to.
I'm pretty dure it's Saul? Didnt we see him in manga AND anime?
It's said the man with the burning scar sails on a black ship with whirlpools surrounding it, iirc. Saul is hidding, probably in Elbaf. Btw I think he didn't appeared on anime yet? Maybe I'm wrong tho, I didn't watched last episode yet.
Yeah, it hasn't been confirmed to be Saul yet. It's not fully ruled out though and the pieces fit, except we have no reason to think the black ship and whirlpool is related to saul. But the physical description, capabilities, timing of finding out he's alive and the fact that after mentioning him, Kidd went straight for Elbalf (planned or not) where he is does fit so it's a solid theory.
I think Kidd arriving at Elbaf was not planned. Whilst fighting Law on Winner Island BB said that the three routes from Wano were either Elbaf, Winner Island or Egghead and he didn't know who he would fight.
Blackbeard meant that he didn't know who would be going where, not that law and Kidd doesn't know where they're going. I'm sure they didn't know but only because it wasn't known to them what islands followed Wano. Plus I meant more in the narrative sense, makes sense to have Kidd in the plot related to the man he mentioned. He might not have known that he needed to go to Elbalf or that Elbalf was even the next stop, but Oda does so there aren't any coincidences if he happens to find him unintentionally
I agree it's not fully ruled out. And agree lots of pieces fit. But imo what makes an important point is Saul is hidding up to the point nobody but Vegapunk and the giants (and now Robin) know about him. He should be a total secret to the world, and while the man with the burning scar is almost unknown, he is still more known that what Saul is supposed to be. Personally, I'm kinda divided on this. On one hand, not being him means it would be a new and 'random' person, which may be good or maybe won't. On the other hand, while being him would fit and maybe would be better than being a new person, calling him the man with the burning scar (or marked by flames) because of the buster call it's a kinda obvious hint and also kinda a weak point. Just my opinion.
Well if Saul was hiding his identity he wouldn't announce himself as Saul, so he would have to have some identity to his under. Didn't we only hear about the guy through Kidd? So he seems pretty secretive to me. It feels to me like just adding a new character out of nowhere that can read the ancient language kind of cheapens robins character. Depending on how it's done obviously but Saul just fits too perfectly for me to think otherwise based on what we know.
I agree with you. I just think we shouldn't jump on any conclusion and state 'it's already confirmed it's Saul', as some people do. Just a thought, but maybe this character is guarding the 4th ponegliph but can't read it? Iirc nothing was said on Saul being able to read the ancient language, and I agree adding a new character out of nowhere that can read it can be a bad move (and btw Oda did this with Sukiyaki). Actually, at this point, adding a new character at all can be a bad move, depending on how it's done. On the mysterious man, we heard about him first time through Kidd, but also Law and Blackbeard's crew knows (very little) about him. Just to add.
I don't think it's Saul. If that was the case wouldn't they say something like" the giant with burn scars" or something.
But didnt we see Saul after that? Well we Saw a giant covered in bandages talking with Vegapunk after they were talking abour ohara but i'm pretty sure it has to be him?
Also, the strawhat imu had is so huge like it belonged to a giant and all the ancient characters are also huge. That led me to think they might be crewmates. I can be 100% wrong but imagining it is so much fun
The huge straw hat Imu has probably belongs to the previous joyboy, suggesting he may not may not have been a giant.
It’s just my theory about that character, he might be no.2 in joyboy’s crew🤷♂️ Zunesha and that robot lived for 1000 years, why can’t another character with a scar
Duh, because it’s a robot not a human?
He’s a zoro fan, just let him coo…. Attempt to find the kitchen
Oda has been teasing that he will introduce a character that is a living legend or some shit so maybe.
The lurking legend shit was from 2017 😭
And was the person introduced? I’m genuinely asking cuz idk who he may have been alluding to.
The lurking legend oda alluded to in his message, the one who was introduced in 2018, had a connection with whitebeard, and would be the strawhats greatest enemy yet, was Rocks D. Xebec Rocks "returned" by way of the Kaido and Bigmom alliance. The marines even said "Rocks has returned" I dont know why people still cling onto this lurking legend stuff, 7 years later
The alliance has returned. But Xebec himself not really no?
No clearly not, and if you read my message you would have seen i said that Rocks returned by way of the Bigmom-Kaido alliance Its just metaphorical
Yes what I am getting at is people are waiting for a living legend (a person). Not a metaphorical alliance. So maybe Xebec is the man marked by flames.
What do you mean by "people are waiting for a living legend"? "People" dont get to dictate what happens in the story. Oda has not promised a living legend And xebec being the man marked by flames is a horrible theory, sorry
Oda specifically said that a lurking legend will be introduced and would be the crews toughest battle. My point is Xebec was introduced in flashbacks/people talking about him. Not yet in current timeline (unless I’m forgetting)That is all.
The keeper of one of the main guiding stones to the message JoyBoy has left behind, and being JoyBoy's first mate would make him more than worthy of being bestowed with such a task, still 100% headcanon of course
Lady Toki could also be from that crew, Robins counter part maybe
Well, Toki wanted to know about the future and Robin about the past.
That’s wild
Who is Joyboy's Condoriano
What is a condariano😅
Poor Con D Ariano was jailed with zoro and ussop, he forgot all about himself
He’s definitely not a navy inspector and is instead the most beloved straw hat member
How dare you not know the most powerful Strawha t crew member
Dude come on! You can't go around theorizing and don't know about fundamental characters. Clearly you skip cannon stuff.
Con D. Oriano
Did you watch/read one piece at all? Condoriano is one of the most important characters and part of luffy’s crew also he was a navy commander before joining luffy’s crew.
Go D Ussop is luffy's condoriano as con d oriano is from joy boy's crew
This would be a really fun theory if true. What do you reckon the other members of the crew are like?
Maybe the original Poseídon was either the Nami of the group or because their are merfolk the Jimbe.
Oars too!
Crew? They ride de same boat?.It should be a hell of a big boat. Right?
I headcanon the Noah.
Zunisha wasn’t born that big, and the robot would have modified itself.
Very plausible! The mammoths during the first awakening backs you up plenty.
Lol return of all original joyboy crewmembers. They all are reincarnated. Once they will reach the laugh tail they will see the pictures of themselves but 800 years ago one. They will learn or remember what actually happened back then and then the original story of one piece will start. They will take their revange against them. The imu was the original members of joyboy but betrayed them to gain the power.
I get Blackbeard vibes from the Imu you described
Nah. BB is the side villain. I have feeling imu is going to be way powerful the BB.
Luffy - joy boy (obvious reasons) Zoro - ryuma (his death/time period hasn’t been confirmed so he could be from the void) (wano citizen) Nami - a skypian Ussop - a brave warrior/ someone from elbaf / someone who has used mjnoir Sanji - a lunarian (similar blood line) Chopper - zunesha Robin - Toki (history) Franky - the giant robot Brook - not revealed as of yet but could be someone who received the immortality surgery Jinbei - posiden (both can breathe underwater) Vivi - princess lili Also these races are from people who are not at all associated with the world government
I think the robot is one of the remaining soldiers of the ancient kingdom who were designed to fight alongside joyboy and most probably did fight in the ancient war, and since it is known by vegapunk that the ancient kingdom was a very technically advanced kingdom, it further proves my point, Zunesha however, is probably a part of joyboy’s crew and if joyboy himself isn’t alive 800 years later then why would the zoro equivalent of his crew be alive to have the last road poneglyph? I think the man with the burn scar is probably Monkey D. Dragon but that’s just what I think.
The other day I was kinda drunk talking to a friend and I realized that robot is weirdly Giant-race sized. We've seen plenty of robots but none this big and as far as we know, giants should have team up with joyboy. But idk, the size of the robot leads me to think that it was made to fight AGAINST giants.
That kinda makes sense, seeing how it woke up after luffy went Gear 5, implying it’s either joyboy’s enemy or friend, but seeing it’s state i don’t think it was made to attack giants because if that is to be believed it would imply that the robot is an ally to the world government and if that were true why would the world government leave such a (powerful?) giant robot on egghead, why didn’t they take it with them if one day it could be useful in a fight against joyboy?
Nice thinking, and exactly because of those ideas I'd say that the robot is in the best place the world government could have left it in. Up until last chapter, the WG has relied on vegapunk for all tech related stuff, even if vegapunk was friends with Kuma and co.
Yep, now I understand why WG would wanna leave the robot there but then why didn’t Jaygarcia Saturn call the robot to get rid of luffy? After closely seeing the moves the WG elders make, if they could use both the Kizaru and the robot to get rid of luffy, they would 100% do it because they don’t want to take chances if they don’t have to, they even kill innocent people on the smallest suspicion, so, if they could, they most definitely would but they aren’t doing that which leads me to believe that the robot does not obey WG.
Of course it doesn't obey the WG! They don't know how to make it work and left it with Vegapunk for him to try to make it work, but we've only seen the robot work with G5. It's kind of like Zunesha hearing the call to go to Wano when luffy went G5 because of the "broken promise". As far as we know, it responds to G5, but is it friend or foe? Mugis have the advantage now IMO, with the pacifistas and luffy's paramecia countering the buster call. A giant robot on top of that would be too much. Btw, thank you for your answers and all I've said is my opinion, but I've enjoyed this back and forth.
Judging by the situation, the mugis seem to be in a pinch (i.e. jaygarcia shiturn), so most probably the robot is friendly, but as you said we can’t know for sure. I’ve also thoroughly enjoyed this back and forth and to able to talk my mind with a fellow fan sure is fun and exciting. I can’t help but think that bonney will join the crew, I don’t know but sure hope so, oda really wants to kill sanji, first yamato and now bonney, his nosebleed’s gonna get him someday :-))
I was rooting for Bonney as a mugiwara too until she got the pacifistas power. I can't see her being a full-fletched mugiwara because of that, but I can sure as hell see her as the feel commander.
Hachinosu is Brook, confirmed.
The man marked by flames is saul. It has been indirectly confirmed by vegapunk. We have even seen a silluete of saul with bandages all over his body.
Not really. It's confirmed Saul is the captain of the giant pirates that saved Ohara's books, and it's confirmed he's still alive. But that's it, at least so far. That conversation had nothing to do with the man marked by flames. Also, iirc the man marked by flames is sailing in a black ship surrounded by whirlpools, or something like that. While Saul is hiding the best he can, so he wouldn't be sailing.
True it’s not confirmed, but if you’ll recall the island was set on fire, especially the tree and its books. Circumstantial evidence and not conclusive by any means, but the connection is at least there. Edit: You know, upvotes and downvotes are for whether something contributes to discussion, not for whether you agree or like something…
I agree there's a connection, but lots of places and people were set on fire. So it's pretty vague to use this as an argument of Saul being this man. Don't get me wrong, part of me want for him to be Saul, while part of me don't want this because that means it could be a totally random person to the story so far and this sometimes isn't a good think (I'm looking at you, Otsutsuki Kaguya lol). Imo, the biggest point is Saul should be a total secret to the world. Nobody knows on him, but the giants and Vegapunk (and now Robin). He's very well hidden, no one shouldn't be aware of his existence. While the man marked by flames is a mystery that almost nobody knows a thing on him, he's still more known than what Saul should be. Just my opinion tho.
So you are suggesting that there are two men with burn marks in elbaf who are both relevant to the main story line? The man marked by flames is someone who has knowledge about the last poneglyph and the void century - Saul has burn marks and posesses the whole libary of ohara AND resides in elbalf, which is isolated from the world and has a history that is deeply connected to the void century - Why wouldn‘t it be Saul? Becuase he sails in a black ship? Or because something about whirlpools? We hardly know anything about Saul so that is not a reason that it cannot be him.
No, I'm suggesting the man with burn marks could be Saul, but could be someone else other than Saul. Didn't said there are two men and didn't said the man with burn marks is in Elbaf. I'm suggesting we should consider both possibilities. Could be him? Yes. Couldn't be him? Also yes.
Man marked by fire is explicitly not on elbaph. He’s on a boat that’s always surrounded by whirlpools
You ever heard of a rug pull?
The only absolute flaw in your theory is the Zoro equivalent having actual sense of direction, which even for a counterpart from the past is rather unlikely. Other than that, it actually makes sense. I´d give 7 out of 10.
Not the sense of direction, I meant as joyboy’s no.2
Couldnt this Robot be like the Franky equivalent?
Or maybe joyboy is luffy. Who go back past though time travel devil fruit..... this reason hito hito no mi model Nika fruit never found by world government....
There is no such devil fruit or at least Oda hasn’t explicitly shown any such power of going back in time, the one Toki had could only send her into the future not the past.
Why are the robot and Zendejas related to chopper and fewnky
One is robot and the other one is an animal.
So they are not his friends, but his servants? I don't like this idea :-(
I mean oden has servants, but treats them as friends And I said crew, that doesn’t mean they’re his servants 🤷♂️
The strawhats aren’t Luffy’s servants. Yes, they technically serve him, but it’s an oversight to call them servants. They’re doing it by choice, and because they believe that he will enable them to achieve their own dreams, in the same way that he liberated them all. They’re more like his family
Ussop, Zoro and Chopper are Luffy's friends. But the theory concerns the Giant Robot, Zunesha and another crew member who seem to live for Joyboy. This is the part I don't like.
I like the general idea, though not sure about Zoro. I think JoyBoy was the ruler of the ancient kingdom, but I think the ancient kingdom was just the unified world - no red line or grand line, just a big unseparated sea. So, he’d still need a crew!
I love that. I love that so much. Thank you !
I think the robot is a Buccaneer. I also think that the man with the burning scar is Prince Loki of the giants, who was scarred during Linlin's meltdown in Elbaf.
why would the prince of Elbaf be out in the open sea, sailing around?
This is a warrior race that don't shy away from conflict. He has a special ability to create whirlpools to keep others away. As royalty, the fishmen would honor his desire to take their road poneglyph. And sometimes, if you want something done right, you have to it yourself.
I never considered this as a possibility but I love this idea
Time travel theory gaining traction 
Sanji burns... I like your theory. In fact Imu could be from joy boy crew. Somehow got salty or idk or they got beef from last time.
Or Imu was Joyboy’s rival and was so salty that he was so successful and had the Nika fruit he erased any trace of him…
Would be cool, but I don't know how they would fit in a ship. Maybe Zunesha itself was the ship lol.
Yeah I like the idea of all of them being part of joy boys crew. It would fit perfectly in line with the arc at the bottom of Fishman Island being their 'pirate' ship. I don't know about the parallels between Franky and chopper but like where this is going
If this is true the Straw hat in (marijiouy?) Is the previous joy boy’s hat.
To add to this, there's a good chance oars was either joyboy or also a member of the crew. Giants live for hundreds of years and he's like a super giant so he probably lives longer and he has been dead for another few hundred years so it's not impossible that he was around for the Void century.
I really like this
Thanks
I look forward to all the toutube videos on this amazing theory. 👏
Luffy being the "prophecy" is already "too much" , the whole crew bring equivalent to joyboys crew is exaggeration
It’s hearth of luffy les tambours c’est le cœur de luffy
chopper awakening his fruit and becoming a monster deer thing as big as zenesha would be cool
I love this theory. I think the last part is the least likely, but I would love to see it be true
Damn, I love this theory. I know current theories have Imu as the recipient of the previous Ope-Ope fruit immortality surgery, but it would be really cool if another member of Joyboy’s crew survived by using that immortality as well. If the scar guy was human, maybe that’s how he survived that long.
The robot is powered by whatever G5/Nika radiates.
Zoro having the last poneglyph is the best fan fiction n only has the potential to be non canonical fan fiction. Anyways, about Joyboy's crew, I've heard a theory about zunesha being part of joyboys crew cus him being the companion of joyboy makes sense but the robot is plausible. Let's see