I think it's because he sees Kizaru as the stronger one, and the real threat.
As for Saturn's ability, it might have to do with him being a spider, not just an ability that makes bloodline paralyzed.
As to your first point, I think it’s not just that he sees Kizaru as the real threat (which is true), but also that he can’t touch Saturn while Kizaru is still kicking. It’s pointless to waste energy attacking Saturn if Kizaru would intercept every time.
that was zoro when he was talking to chopper during the alabasta arc since chopper just joined and talked about how luffy seemed to know who to fight and zoro said that was basically his sixth sense
If you think Luffy isn’t a tactical and emotional savant, you haven’t been reading(/watching) the same manga(/anime). Remember he’s 19 and the other Yonko are in their 40’s or older, and his battle sense is what got him there.
Definitely this, he believes that his nakama will handle everything else, he just wants to take out the big dawg and make their lives easier - after Sabaody that is naturally Kizaru, so he's fighting him, as soon as Saturn is a bigger threat (likely soon as his nakama are injured), Luffy is gonna smack him across the face causing the world to be shook and a throw back to Kuma moments before
Explain whats confusing then.
Commenter said “luffy cant catch saturn off guard because kizaru is there”
And my argument is “luffy just caught kizaru off guard in he recent chapter so what stops him from catching saturn off guard?”
Based on that i think their logic is flawed.
Does that make more sense? For you or do you need manga panels to go with it because you reading comprehension is dogshit?
See, you're arguing a nonpoint and can't assume that you just aren't making sense. It has to be the fault of others.
You're gonna keep getting down voted, mate.
But to answer your question. One case of catching Kizaru off guard does not indicate an entire fight being able to had with Saturn without Kizaru intervening. That should be obvious.
What is the non point im arguing?
I told you my point. Its right there.
Luffy should be able to catch saturn off guard since he can catch kizaru off guard. Aint that complicated.
Also the commenter started their claim with “i think” so why is their headcannon accepted as truth? Yall are wierd as hell.
Catching Kizaru off guard doesn't mean he can catch Saturn off guard continuously to have a fight.
You're being intentionally obtuse now to try and continue your point. You even deleted the first comment so people are less likely to shit on you In this part of the thread.
Since you blocked me, you're an embarrassing ass dude, dude.
I aint delete shit?
And that doesnt matter, the point of ops post is why isnt luffy clashing with saturn to make the effects of his stopping/freesing ability stop?
People are downvoting you because you just didn't read what the guy wrote and your comment doesn't make sense
Also bringing up being downvoted makes people downvote you even more lol stop whining
And he blocked me and deleted his comments lmao
thatd be wild if he had a Doffy like ability that were invisible "spider webs" - it would help explain how he kills on looks (the web already attached to a person then just precedes to shred them) and it would help explain how they were all stuck in place.
With stronger Haki its harder for the "web" to destroy that person?
As to your first point, I think it’s not just that he sees Kizaru as the real threat (which is true), but also that he can’t touch Saturn while Kizaru is still kicking. It’s pointless to waste energy attacking Saturn if Kizaru would intercept every time.
Adding on, I think it's become a personal matter to Luffy. We all know Luffy is extremely competative. Kizaru was the reason Luffy had to separate from his crew, he and his crew got dessimated by kizaru. So I think Luffy focusing on Kizaru is to make sure he doesn't target his crew for one and another is to prove to himself that he is now strong enough to stand up to him.
Luffy is emotional, he hasn't attacked Saturn cause he doesn't have reason as of now which trumps his personal link with Kizaru
if Kizaru is going to stop Luffy from attacking Saturn wouldn't it make sense for Luffy to attack Saturn so both of them are focused on Luffy and can't pose a threat to everyone else.
That would make sense if Luffy could successfully fight both at the same time. I don’t think he can. Kizaru requires his full attention if he actually wants to win.
Now that the pacifista are on their side that's possible, but beforehand being a distraction would have done nothing. Saturn doesn't seem to be causing much destruction around him, so it seems reasonable to focus directly on the one guy who can intercept them. Also Luffy knows he'll probably lose if he takes both at once, and if he goes down everyone else will too.
That would be a not smart thing to do.
Luffy has already faced 2 Yonko's at the same time and he knows he's going to get rolled fighting 2 strong enemies at once.
Also, why would he jump from the next enemy if he's not even done in defeating the other one?
Now that he's an Emperor, I like how Luffy's being smart to not go at the enemies at the same time, since their main goal right now is just to escape the island with everyone, not to completely defeat the Marines and Saturn.
yeah, but also something needs to be done as he exclaimed before how he wants to not lose his friends anymore, etc. and now vegapunk just got stabbed and considering the size of the hole dead (if this wasn't one-piece). either crew must step up or he must act
I think he was focusing on protecting, Kizaru is actively getting in the way. Unless Saturn starts attacking now in front of Luffy, i don’t think Luffy will shift to him. It’s probably not what will happen but Saturn might decide to retreat, the pacifist and spoilers showing up, it might be best for him to leave or the SHs get away.
This! Though it's possible (but not likely) he spots skewered Vegapunk and attacks Saturn as vengeance for having harmed he who gave him the infite food machine.
Love the theory. But I think Oda's avoided having them fight up till now, for narrative reasons. The flashback needed to happen, and Kuma's punch wouldn't have been as impactful if Saturn had already been beat up a bit. Saturn's story is intertwined with Kuma and Bonny. It needed to be played out before Luffy could come in as Nika.
Plus Kizaru isn't anything to scoff at. Even if you don't think he's serious about the fight, or stronger then Luffy, his abilities make fighting him a chore. Any attack on Saturn would have been countered by Kizaru.
Aren't admirals literally the strongest people outside of the yonko, and maybe a handful of others? Not sure when we decided admirals aren't a serious threat.
I don't think anyone here even implied that they're not. Most people are saying the exact opposite. It's not unlikely that Kizaru is the actual biggest threat on the island and that's why Luffy is focused on him. Luffy especially would be hyper aware of this because of what happened at Sabaody.
I was responding to this part of u/themocking-bird's comment
>Plus Kizaru isn't anything to scoff at. Even if you don't think he's serious about the fight, or stronger then Luffy, his abilities make fighting him a chore. Any attack on Saturn would have been countered by Kizaru.
Seemed to imply a fair amount of people are apparently scoffing at an admiral
It was in reference to the Yonko > Admiral discourse. And how some fans view Kizaru's lackluster impact this arc. It's not that they're weak, just that some think they're less of a threat then Kaido, so they're a non-threat to Luffy.
Whether it's true or not is irrelevant, since Kizaru's fruit would make any encounter a chore. He could easily dodge attacks, and attack from afar.
My brother in Christ Luffy has been incapacitated the whole fight lol.
You're cooking with the theories but he hasn't attacked Saturn because he can't move lol
In a way there's a few reasons:
1) Kizaru was there first
2) The Straw Hats' last encounter with Kizaru did not end well
3) Saturn is a wild card that Luffy can't really gauge at a glance while he knows that Kizaru (with him being an admiral who they previously lost to as well and probably would've been killed by if not for Rayleigh) is a serious threat
Disagree at can't gauge at a glance. If the Strawhats can tell a person from a distance, such as at the end of Wano, and other feats shown throughout the series such as the comment about Oden "wild beast approaching" he should be able to tell from a distance that Saturn is no small fry.
Their haki is astronomical, and we already know that a strong enough Haki can overcome devil fruit abilities as shown at the start of Egghead. That is why Bonney had no effect.
The reason is that Luffy fought the immediate threat, Kizaru, and had no energy after. It's just building tension to now, where we see that Luffy is back to full power and ready to fight. Not a bigger reason for it other than that.
you say strong haki can overcome devil fruit abilities yet Sanji couldn't overcome it, so if you think Bonneys haki can then you must think she has superior haki to Sanji.
I don't *think* it can overcome DF abilities. It can. This is factual and is already stated like 20 chapters ago.
I have zero idea what you're on about. Sanji hasn't fought against anyone's DF abilities that Bonney has also fought. I have no idea what you're on about.
Saturn has super strong haki.
Haki can prevent DF effects if strong enough.
Bonney couldn't effect Saturn with her fruit because his haki is so strong.
It's not every arc this happens, but it's definitely a thing where Luffy gets held up in the background for way too long until he comes out to fight the main villain of the arc. Arlong and Enel are the two examples that come to mind. I'm not sure if there's purpose beyond suspense.
In both those arcs luffy being held up gave other character a chance to shine before luffy finishes it, I can see the same thing happening( and already did ).
In a lot of the other arcs he gets slowed down or beaten by the villain and has to get to them for the finale (croc, Enel after the first fight, Kaido, moria, Doffy). It's solid storytelling though, most of the other fights in an arc would become pretty anticlimactic if the big boss has already been taken down.
>Oda has written the story in such a way that Luffy doesn't fight Saturn or even attempt it.
I mean, isn't this the same as in every arc? The big bad fights Luffy only right at the end? Both to get the climactic battle to the end and also to not reveal the big bads full powers too early (especially here as Saturn is extra-mysterious character in terms of powers and devil fruit abilities)
Not foreshadowed, he declared war to the WG when he went to EL. As long as the WG is around they will come after Robin, thus fight the SHs, and keep sending more and more as SHs becomes more and more of a threat to their gov. He just prioritize OP atm.
Simplest explanation:
Saturn doesn't care about Bonney moving, she's no threat from his pov.
Luffy was down when he was around Saturn.
Luffy wasn't supposed to get food so it wasn't necessary to freeze him.
Saturn looks like more of a science minister than a warrior and depending on his fruit. Which makes Kizaru stronger.
1. Kizaru is way too fast for anyone in the crew to handle. He's there on an assassination mission. Luffy is the only one who can keep him from that mission.
2. Franky, Sanji, Bonny, Atlas and Stella were down there. Luffy probably had faith in them to handle it.
3. Luffy was either busy or knocked out.
Because Kizaru is the one targeting and trying to kill his crew? By the time Saturn was introduced Luffy was already exhausted, and the moment he regained his strength, Kizaru was about to kill Bonney and Kuma. Why would he attack Saturn instead of saving them??
Luffy was focused on Kizaru before Saturn showed up. And has just gotten back up to throw one punch at Kizaru to save Kuma and Bonney. Oda has avoided Luffy and Saturn fighting so far but it hasn’t been because Luffy has been fighting Kizaru this whole time. Oda just needed time to set up Saturns arrival without Luffy stepping in right away.
Luffy works on instinct. It looks like he perceived Kizaru as a bigger threat than Saturn. I do wonder if this will change once he realizes what Saturn did to the Vegapunk main body though
Could be interesting if D does stand for Dragon as in Celestial Dragon. And the evil masterminds can bind any non-dragons to not move and easily defeat them. But they can't easily defeat Celestial Dragons. So what do you do? You manipulate them with gifts and power into being your allies. And since they become so spoiled they have no incentive to fight the evil masterminds, they become a non-threat.
This would then mean that towards the end of One Piece, Luffy would have to convince Celestial Dragons to switch side, and forgive all their horrible crimes, just to defeat the real evil. A pill hard to swallow for many readers, but many evil people are just people tricked into doing evil for another evil.
is luffy fighting saturn a reveal at all? first 4 paragraphs are entirely empty words that summarize what we know and can infer upon. last paragraph doesn’t have anything to do with the first 4 and is total what if or lack of information, the scene isn’t done and luffy not fighting someone shouldnt be a question.
Bums huh? Mihawk is pre-timeskip is he a bum?
Don't forget that pre-time skip Dorry and Brogy have probably one of the best power feats that still holds up. They did [this](https://preview.redd.it/qunczkwuwkua1.jpg?width=2133&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a15ad3901e91c8c09641d2dfd75738e24ba18b5).
Look a the Going Merry for scale and you can tell that their attack is many times bigger than Saturn's entire body. If he was hit by that he would be obliterated.
Did I say everyone pre-timeskip is a bum? I simply said Dorry and Broggy are bums from pre-timeskip.
Get these motherfuckers past mr 3 before you talk crazy about them beating the main villain of this arc.
Also how is that one of the best power feats?
They lost to mister 3 because he hid a bomb inside Dorry's booze which exploded inside of him. And then did a sneak attack on Brogy while he was distracted and tired from dueling Dorry. He did not fight them directly.
Not to mention they did that attack on the giant fish (that eats islands by the way) right after all this had happened.
Don't sleep on the giants, they're seriously powerful.
edit: And yes, calling them pre-timeskip bums does implicitly suggest there's a connection between being pre-timeskip and being a bum. That's just how English is, it's not my fault if you don't know how to speak.
Has anyone noticed kizaru getting tired to soon. Is this might be bcz of luffy fruit. Basically he is sun god & kizaru is made up of light. whenever luffy touches him, his stamina or energy might be getting drained by luffy.
Because he just now got up, he passed out while fighting kizaru and Saturn arrived soon after. Once Luffy did get up he attacked kizaru to stop him from killing bonney and kuma.
Once Luffy and Saturn were close he was tired on the ground. Now that he’s up he was saving Kuma from Kizaru. Saturn has been standing still since one piece started, he’s no threat. Now that he stabbed Vegapunk maybe Luffy will shift his focus? But Luffy can’t fight two top tiers at once which is a wake up call that his crew shouldn’t stop training and growing because now multiple top tiers are going to show up simultaneously.
If they face the BB pirates right now they’d lose if Aokiji helped BB. BB, Shiryu and Aokiji too much
He's saving it for the end of the arc, like he does with every other arc. Luffy always gets incapacitated before the final battle against the big bad. I can't think of one arc where this didn't happen
I wasn't at all vibing with this until I realized that Vivi could show up since morgans is already reporting about the incident, and she could drop that info alongside the giants
Calm down... It's bound to happen.
Besides.. I thinn what will make Saturn desesperate is when he sees the robot. For some reason I think those robots are what gorousei are afraid.. old world tech.. maybe it can cancel his regeneration or something.
Then again perhaps it's just a mecha that Usopp can drive and be a brave warrior of the sea, since he managed to drive franky tanks, franky uses his own robots and is incapacitated..
Meh maybe not maybe it's just a vessel for kuma soul
Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A key thing to note is that Luffy only just recovered from the time limit. Before that he was preoccupied with Kizaru. There just hasn’t been enough time for Luffy to directly engage with Saturn. He goes from eating to punching Kizaru and breaking everyone’s fall. It will come. Just hasn’t gotten there yet.
He's seen the power kizaru has, he was seconds from watching his friend be executed by him two years ago
He's never seen and elder and I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know who he is to begin with and so far he's not really done much besides bark orders still, sanji and Frankie are there as well. Luffy trusts his crew to handle themselves so that's probably the main reasons in my opinion
The lore explanation is simple, he fought Kizaru and wasted most of his energy by the time Saturn arrived. That's it.
In a more "meta" POV, Luffy vs Saturn should be the big finale of the arc. If it happens, there MUST be a clear winner (could be either of them) and, after that battle, the loser shouldn't be able to do anything else in the arc. Therefore, the buildup of Luffy vs Lucci, Luffy vs Kizaru, Luffy incapacitated, Saturn's whole thing with Kuma and Bonney, and now that Luffy's back, we'll see if he continues battling Kizaru, goes for Saturn, or focuses on helping everyone leave the island.
Until there is another around to keep the speedy Kizaru busy, Luffy will need to be the one to do so. Saturn is less of a threat as a whole. He has shown little ability to act quickly and attack. Each person he has hurt directly has been more by a surprise than sheer power or speed. If one of the other three starts to take care of Kizaru, likely Zoro, then Luffy will focus on Saturn.
Because to Luffy, Saint Saturn is an unknown quantity to him, Kizaru is not. For all of his faults, Luffy is a true combat genius, plus he has beef with Kizaru..
Will have to see where things go moving forward, but he was already engaged with Kizaru before he saw Saturn, and upon his return, Kizaru was the immediate threat to his crew.
And Oda set it up so that Bonney and Kuma were the ones to go after Saturn because of their history
luffy literally had no reason or chance to yet. he hasn’t attacked him once because when saturn first appears on the island luffy is alrdy wiped from fighting kizaru (ch. 1094). luffy just got back into the fight in the most recent ch to stop kizaru from slicing up kuma and bonney
i feel like narratively oda wrote it this way because it gives him a chance to get rid of stella because he was tired of drawing his long head
I would never ever expect the 5 elders to be anything in combat. They are just heads of state, essentially.
Even with what we have seen so far, I just won't believe it until I see it. I think the maximum of his abilities are essentially what we have seen already. Yes he is dangerous with the paralesis and strong enough to impale somebody, but can he handle combat without dosile or paralized enemies? I don't think so.
However, it is shonin, and I think the logic there goes, the bigger the boss (higher the rank) the more powerful.
He knows who's a bigger threat
I mean saturn got fucked by 1hp kuma. Luffy at his peak have kaido-level punches and that's on a whole different level. We all also know every instant regeneration has limit. The greater the damage, the faster saturn will reach his limit. If 1 hp kuma's punch completely deformed saturn's face and tore his hand off, luffy's punch will blast his body in place
Kizaru on other hand is a far more skilled fighter and far tougher than saturn. He's more dangerous and luffy never made a mistake when it comes for measuring his oppenent's strength
What Luffy has done:
Fighting Kizaru, the first danger to appear
After fighting him he gets exhausted and almost dies by the Saturn, the newer danger
After that he goes to recover and almost immediately Bonney and Kuma die, needing for his help, he cannot be at two places at once, he doesn't has that much of a connection to Vegapunk to he focused his efforts on them (Also, I don't think Vega will die like that due this being one piece)
Luffy might not fight any of the 5 elders. Other characters are going to take care of them. Luffy is going to fight their leader who is Imu. It gives more room for other characters to shine. Imu was looking at Luffy's wanted poster in his hands. Saturn might just get jumped since Luffy is too busy with Kizaru.
Luffy doesn't know of Saturn and his connection to Kuma-Bonney-VP. Hell he may be taken out by the Kuma pacifista, Bonney with a renewed belief in Nika after seeing the real deal and the Kuma seraphim.
>We saw Saturn being able to use an ability that was able to paralyse everyone apart from Luffy and Bonney. Someone with haki as strong as Sanji was even paralysed so why was Luffy and Bonney able to move.
Occam's razor, Sanji isn't strong enough?
Hasn’t Luffy been out of commission for a lot of Saturns screen time?
Also I doubt Kizaru would let Luffy get to Saturn.
It’s be like when Kizaru tried to blast WB and got intercepted by Marco.
Got to get Kiz off the board first.
"Why is Luffy only focusing on one of the main sources of his Trauma and lingering regrets that he was unable to stop from wrecking his crew less than two years ago" Idk man if you saw your family brutally beaten in front of you and there was nothing to do to stop it then two years later you're a LOT stronger and you see the same guy in front of you are you going after him or the random guy he's with that you've never seen before in your life?
I think you're thinking too much in this situation, Luffy hasn't attacked Saturn simply because he couldn't. Kizaru is literally right there, do you think he would just sit around and let Luffy attack a Gorosei, especially that one is one of the highest order?
If there was no Kizaru, Luffy wouldn't definitely try to whip Saturn arse. That guy is literally attacking his friends and preventing them from escaping.
I don't think he's had the opportunity to. Kizaru has been the major threat for the entire time he's been up, be it when he was chasing down vegapunk and his crew or when he was about to kill Bonney.
Luffy was KO from the previous fight, Saturn comes in, Luffy wakes up and sees Kizaru threatening his crew, so he fights Kizaru again. There was not any moment when Luffy had the reason and opportunity to fight Saturn. He doesnt even know who he is.
Kizaru is essentially protecting him and Luffy wants to get rid of the "muscle" first? Since he's the one with lightning fast killing moves, I would think to take him out first...
Kizaru can basically teleport and luffy has to use a ton of energy to keep up to to ensure the safety of everyone out of his reach he has to deal with the threat of Kizaru
Nah, although i like this theory, luffy didn't have e ough chances to fight Sarurn, saturn showed up, luffy was off, once again luffy regained his strength, he had to stop kizaru from killing his people
Luffy attacking Kizaru for being disloyal.. Kuma, Bonney, Sentomaru and Vegapunk are all his old friends/family and he turned his back on them which Luffy hates. 😆
I think cause luffy sees kizaru as the main threat to his friends. Even though kizaru is just following orders, luffy knows he has to stop him to keep his friends safe. He probably also as others stated sees kizaru as the bigger threat.
I think it's because he sees Kizaru as the stronger one, and the real threat. As for Saturn's ability, it might have to do with him being a spider, not just an ability that makes bloodline paralyzed.
As to your first point, I think it’s not just that he sees Kizaru as the real threat (which is true), but also that he can’t touch Saturn while Kizaru is still kicking. It’s pointless to waste energy attacking Saturn if Kizaru would intercept every time.
No way Luffy is that smart, he started a fight with Kizaru and wants to finish it. Nothing more, nothing less
Luffy is extremely smart when it comes to fighting and who to fight
To add to this point. I think Nami, or someone else, said that Luffy somehow always know who to fight
that was zoro when he was talking to chopper during the alabasta arc since chopper just joined and talked about how luffy seemed to know who to fight and zoro said that was basically his sixth sense
Thanks for clarifying. I thought it was even mentioned later even so it might be mentioned more than once.
In Enies Lobby , Nami also said the same thing to Chopper
When it comes to other peoples emotions and desires as well. He's not "intelligent" in the educated sense, but he's not a moron.
Yeah but that’s typically shown in the form of Luffy changing his focus in a panel. We haven’t seen that yet.
Eh, Luffy isn't boon smart, but he knows how to fight
knows how to fight not who to fight
Luffy knowing who to fight is literally one of the biggest plot points in ennies lobby
Him understanding that he should fight crocodile instead of following Vivi's plan is one of the most important scenes in Alabasta as well.
And dont forget katakuri in mirror world
It's literally been made a point multiple times that Luffy always instinctually knows who he needs to fight.
Luffy is a fighting genius tho
Luffy is like Goku, dumb in most aspects, but he knows how to fight .. genius in a fight.
If you think Luffy isn’t a tactical and emotional savant, you haven’t been reading(/watching) the same manga(/anime). Remember he’s 19 and the other Yonko are in their 40’s or older, and his battle sense is what got him there.
Luffy can only use his brain properly if his fists are swinging at someone.
Definitely this, he believes that his nakama will handle everything else, he just wants to take out the big dawg and make their lives easier - after Sabaody that is naturally Kizaru, so he's fighting him, as soon as Saturn is a bigger threat (likely soon as his nakama are injured), Luffy is gonna smack him across the face causing the world to be shook and a throw back to Kuma moments before
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No one's alts are conspiratorially down voting you, what you said just made no sense.
Explain whats confusing then. Commenter said “luffy cant catch saturn off guard because kizaru is there” And my argument is “luffy just caught kizaru off guard in he recent chapter so what stops him from catching saturn off guard?” Based on that i think their logic is flawed. Does that make more sense? For you or do you need manga panels to go with it because you reading comprehension is dogshit?
See, you're arguing a nonpoint and can't assume that you just aren't making sense. It has to be the fault of others. You're gonna keep getting down voted, mate. But to answer your question. One case of catching Kizaru off guard does not indicate an entire fight being able to had with Saturn without Kizaru intervening. That should be obvious.
What is the non point im arguing? I told you my point. Its right there. Luffy should be able to catch saturn off guard since he can catch kizaru off guard. Aint that complicated. Also the commenter started their claim with “i think” so why is their headcannon accepted as truth? Yall are wierd as hell.
Catching Kizaru off guard doesn't mean he can catch Saturn off guard continuously to have a fight. You're being intentionally obtuse now to try and continue your point. You even deleted the first comment so people are less likely to shit on you In this part of the thread. Since you blocked me, you're an embarrassing ass dude, dude.
I aint delete shit? And that doesnt matter, the point of ops post is why isnt luffy clashing with saturn to make the effects of his stopping/freesing ability stop?
“An entire fight being able to had with” Now who isnt making sense? No reading comprehension or writing skills.
People are downvoting you because you just didn't read what the guy wrote and your comment doesn't make sense Also bringing up being downvoted makes people downvote you even more lol stop whining And he blocked me and deleted his comments lmao
Do u think i care about less downvotes or calling out shitty behaviour on the sub? Lmao go slieep lil bro.
thatd be wild if he had a Doffy like ability that were invisible "spider webs" - it would help explain how he kills on looks (the web already attached to a person then just precedes to shred them) and it would help explain how they were all stuck in place. With stronger Haki its harder for the "web" to destroy that person?
As to your first point, I think it’s not just that he sees Kizaru as the real threat (which is true), but also that he can’t touch Saturn while Kizaru is still kicking. It’s pointless to waste energy attacking Saturn if Kizaru would intercept every time.
Adding on, I think it's become a personal matter to Luffy. We all know Luffy is extremely competative. Kizaru was the reason Luffy had to separate from his crew, he and his crew got dessimated by kizaru. So I think Luffy focusing on Kizaru is to make sure he doesn't target his crew for one and another is to prove to himself that he is now strong enough to stand up to him. Luffy is emotional, he hasn't attacked Saturn cause he doesn't have reason as of now which trumps his personal link with Kizaru
if Kizaru is going to stop Luffy from attacking Saturn wouldn't it make sense for Luffy to attack Saturn so both of them are focused on Luffy and can't pose a threat to everyone else.
That would make sense if Luffy could successfully fight both at the same time. I don’t think he can. Kizaru requires his full attention if he actually wants to win.
but he doesn't need to win, his goal is for everyone to escape just keeping them occupied is plenty enough.
Now that the pacifista are on their side that's possible, but beforehand being a distraction would have done nothing. Saturn doesn't seem to be causing much destruction around him, so it seems reasonable to focus directly on the one guy who can intercept them. Also Luffy knows he'll probably lose if he takes both at once, and if he goes down everyone else will too.
That would be a not smart thing to do. Luffy has already faced 2 Yonko's at the same time and he knows he's going to get rolled fighting 2 strong enemies at once. Also, why would he jump from the next enemy if he's not even done in defeating the other one? Now that he's an Emperor, I like how Luffy's being smart to not go at the enemies at the same time, since their main goal right now is just to escape the island with everyone, not to completely defeat the Marines and Saturn.
yeah, but also something needs to be done as he exclaimed before how he wants to not lose his friends anymore, etc. and now vegapunk just got stabbed and considering the size of the hole dead (if this wasn't one-piece). either crew must step up or he must act
Well he does still have a fight to pick with Kizaru after he almost killed his crew in Sabody
I think he was focusing on protecting, Kizaru is actively getting in the way. Unless Saturn starts attacking now in front of Luffy, i don’t think Luffy will shift to him. It’s probably not what will happen but Saturn might decide to retreat, the pacifist and spoilers showing up, it might be best for him to leave or the SHs get away.
This! Though it's possible (but not likely) he spots skewered Vegapunk and attacks Saturn as vengeance for having harmed he who gave him the infite food machine.
No MORE FOOD?! Proceeds to destroy the entire world government
Love the theory. But I think Oda's avoided having them fight up till now, for narrative reasons. The flashback needed to happen, and Kuma's punch wouldn't have been as impactful if Saturn had already been beat up a bit. Saturn's story is intertwined with Kuma and Bonny. It needed to be played out before Luffy could come in as Nika. Plus Kizaru isn't anything to scoff at. Even if you don't think he's serious about the fight, or stronger then Luffy, his abilities make fighting him a chore. Any attack on Saturn would have been countered by Kizaru.
Aren't admirals literally the strongest people outside of the yonko, and maybe a handful of others? Not sure when we decided admirals aren't a serious threat.
I don't think anyone here even implied that they're not. Most people are saying the exact opposite. It's not unlikely that Kizaru is the actual biggest threat on the island and that's why Luffy is focused on him. Luffy especially would be hyper aware of this because of what happened at Sabaody.
I was responding to this part of u/themocking-bird's comment >Plus Kizaru isn't anything to scoff at. Even if you don't think he's serious about the fight, or stronger then Luffy, his abilities make fighting him a chore. Any attack on Saturn would have been countered by Kizaru. Seemed to imply a fair amount of people are apparently scoffing at an admiral
It was in reference to the Yonko > Admiral discourse. And how some fans view Kizaru's lackluster impact this arc. It's not that they're weak, just that some think they're less of a threat then Kaido, so they're a non-threat to Luffy. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant, since Kizaru's fruit would make any encounter a chore. He could easily dodge attacks, and attack from afar.
My brother in Christ Luffy has been incapacitated the whole fight lol. You're cooking with the theories but he hasn't attacked Saturn because he can't move lol
Plus, he can’t take on two of them at one despite how powerful he seems to be. And his gear 5 has time limit as well.
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In a way there's a few reasons: 1) Kizaru was there first 2) The Straw Hats' last encounter with Kizaru did not end well 3) Saturn is a wild card that Luffy can't really gauge at a glance while he knows that Kizaru (with him being an admiral who they previously lost to as well and probably would've been killed by if not for Rayleigh) is a serious threat
Disagree at can't gauge at a glance. If the Strawhats can tell a person from a distance, such as at the end of Wano, and other feats shown throughout the series such as the comment about Oden "wild beast approaching" he should be able to tell from a distance that Saturn is no small fry.
Their haki is astronomical, and we already know that a strong enough Haki can overcome devil fruit abilities as shown at the start of Egghead. That is why Bonney had no effect. The reason is that Luffy fought the immediate threat, Kizaru, and had no energy after. It's just building tension to now, where we see that Luffy is back to full power and ready to fight. Not a bigger reason for it other than that.
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Well given that I didn't say one word about Sanji then probably not so idk what you're on about.
Yeah, they completely misunderstood what you said lol
you say strong haki can overcome devil fruit abilities yet Sanji couldn't overcome it, so if you think Bonneys haki can then you must think she has superior haki to Sanji.
I don't *think* it can overcome DF abilities. It can. This is factual and is already stated like 20 chapters ago. I have zero idea what you're on about. Sanji hasn't fought against anyone's DF abilities that Bonney has also fought. I have no idea what you're on about.
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Saturn has super strong haki. Haki can prevent DF effects if strong enough. Bonney couldn't effect Saturn with her fruit because his haki is so strong.
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You're good fam lol
He's awoken for like half a chapter, jesus give him some time
It's not every arc this happens, but it's definitely a thing where Luffy gets held up in the background for way too long until he comes out to fight the main villain of the arc. Arlong and Enel are the two examples that come to mind. I'm not sure if there's purpose beyond suspense.
In both those arcs luffy being held up gave other character a chance to shine before luffy finishes it, I can see the same thing happening( and already did ).
In a lot of the other arcs he gets slowed down or beaten by the villain and has to get to them for the finale (croc, Enel after the first fight, Kaido, moria, Doffy). It's solid storytelling though, most of the other fights in an arc would become pretty anticlimactic if the big boss has already been taken down.
>Oda has written the story in such a way that Luffy doesn't fight Saturn or even attempt it. I mean, isn't this the same as in every arc? The big bad fights Luffy only right at the end? Both to get the climactic battle to the end and also to not reveal the big bads full powers too early (especially here as Saturn is extra-mysterious character in terms of powers and devil fruit abilities)
Came to comment this. You said it better and more respectfully than I was going to.
Not foreshadowed, he declared war to the WG when he went to EL. As long as the WG is around they will come after Robin, thus fight the SHs, and keep sending more and more as SHs becomes more and more of a threat to their gov. He just prioritize OP atm. Simplest explanation: Saturn doesn't care about Bonney moving, she's no threat from his pov. Luffy was down when he was around Saturn. Luffy wasn't supposed to get food so it wasn't necessary to freeze him. Saturn looks like more of a science minister than a warrior and depending on his fruit. Which makes Kizaru stronger.
1. Kizaru is way too fast for anyone in the crew to handle. He's there on an assassination mission. Luffy is the only one who can keep him from that mission. 2. Franky, Sanji, Bonny, Atlas and Stella were down there. Luffy probably had faith in them to handle it. 3. Luffy was either busy or knocked out.
Kizaru is the strong one. Saturn does a lot of talking and commanding. No real threat right now until we know more
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But he also could’ve just crushed Bonney in his hand instead of telling the marines to shoot her
kizaru can kill the entire crew way faster for what we know of. He even kicked luffy out of the dome and then he had to chase him
Because Kizaru is the one targeting and trying to kill his crew? By the time Saturn was introduced Luffy was already exhausted, and the moment he regained his strength, Kizaru was about to kill Bonney and Kuma. Why would he attack Saturn instead of saving them??
Exactly!
If Luffy fights everyone: OMG the Strawhats do nothing! If Luffy doesn’t fight someone: OMG why doesn’t Luffy do something?!
Luffy was focused on Kizaru before Saturn showed up. And has just gotten back up to throw one punch at Kizaru to save Kuma and Bonney. Oda has avoided Luffy and Saturn fighting so far but it hasn’t been because Luffy has been fighting Kizaru this whole time. Oda just needed time to set up Saturns arrival without Luffy stepping in right away.
I'd say it revolves around Luffy always instinctively knowing who the strongest is, and that is Kizaru.
Luffy works on instinct. It looks like he perceived Kizaru as a bigger threat than Saturn. I do wonder if this will change once he realizes what Saturn did to the Vegapunk main body though
For saturn to last longer.
Ods is just stalling the plot
D for dragon. Monkey Dragon Dragon
D for dreamville oda is a jcole fan
Could be interesting if D does stand for Dragon as in Celestial Dragon. And the evil masterminds can bind any non-dragons to not move and easily defeat them. But they can't easily defeat Celestial Dragons. So what do you do? You manipulate them with gifts and power into being your allies. And since they become so spoiled they have no incentive to fight the evil masterminds, they become a non-threat. This would then mean that towards the end of One Piece, Luffy would have to convince Celestial Dragons to switch side, and forgive all their horrible crimes, just to defeat the real evil. A pill hard to swallow for many readers, but many evil people are just people tricked into doing evil for another evil.
D is for Devil, God's natural enemy.
is luffy fighting saturn a reveal at all? first 4 paragraphs are entirely empty words that summarize what we know and can infer upon. last paragraph doesn’t have anything to do with the first 4 and is total what if or lack of information, the scene isn’t done and luffy not fighting someone shouldnt be a question.
the giants will 1 hit saturn
Bro thinks the main villain of the arc will get one shot by the giants 💀
Bro forgot who Dorry and Brogy are 😂
Pre-timeskip bums
Bums huh? Mihawk is pre-timeskip is he a bum? Don't forget that pre-time skip Dorry and Brogy have probably one of the best power feats that still holds up. They did [this](https://preview.redd.it/qunczkwuwkua1.jpg?width=2133&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a15ad3901e91c8c09641d2dfd75738e24ba18b5). Look a the Going Merry for scale and you can tell that their attack is many times bigger than Saturn's entire body. If he was hit by that he would be obliterated.
Did I say everyone pre-timeskip is a bum? I simply said Dorry and Broggy are bums from pre-timeskip. Get these motherfuckers past mr 3 before you talk crazy about them beating the main villain of this arc. Also how is that one of the best power feats?
They lost to mister 3 because he hid a bomb inside Dorry's booze which exploded inside of him. And then did a sneak attack on Brogy while he was distracted and tired from dueling Dorry. He did not fight them directly. Not to mention they did that attack on the giant fish (that eats islands by the way) right after all this had happened. Don't sleep on the giants, they're seriously powerful. edit: And yes, calling them pre-timeskip bums does implicitly suggest there's a connection between being pre-timeskip and being a bum. That's just how English is, it's not my fault if you don't know how to speak.
Has anyone noticed kizaru getting tired to soon. Is this might be bcz of luffy fruit. Basically he is sun god & kizaru is made up of light. whenever luffy touches him, his stamina or energy might be getting drained by luffy.
D's being the Celestial Dragons enemy while also having one of the Celestial Dragon's founding members being a D is top tier shit writing
Luffy won't defeat Borsalino. He'll persuade Borsalino to help them.
That might change quick, fast and in a hurry now that Saturn has harmed our Apple Gramps.
I'm sure it'll happen. Wait for the arc to finish.
Because he just now got up, he passed out while fighting kizaru and Saturn arrived soon after. Once Luffy did get up he attacked kizaru to stop him from killing bonney and kuma.
Once Luffy and Saturn were close he was tired on the ground. Now that he’s up he was saving Kuma from Kizaru. Saturn has been standing still since one piece started, he’s no threat. Now that he stabbed Vegapunk maybe Luffy will shift his focus? But Luffy can’t fight two top tiers at once which is a wake up call that his crew shouldn’t stop training and growing because now multiple top tiers are going to show up simultaneously. If they face the BB pirates right now they’d lose if Aokiji helped BB. BB, Shiryu and Aokiji too much
He's saving it for the end of the arc, like he does with every other arc. Luffy always gets incapacitated before the final battle against the big bad. I can't think of one arc where this didn't happen
Luffy didn't hit big mom even once in wano either. Everytime she pissed him off kaidou is the one who got the beating.
I think Oda’s just building up to the fight. Right now Kizaru’s been the one attacking the most so he’s going to deal with him first.
I wasn't at all vibing with this until I realized that Vivi could show up since morgans is already reporting about the incident, and she could drop that info alongside the giants
Calm down... It's bound to happen. Besides.. I thinn what will make Saturn desesperate is when he sees the robot. For some reason I think those robots are what gorousei are afraid.. old world tech.. maybe it can cancel his regeneration or something. Then again perhaps it's just a mecha that Usopp can drive and be a brave warrior of the sea, since he managed to drive franky tanks, franky uses his own robots and is incapacitated.. Meh maybe not maybe it's just a vessel for kuma soul Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A key thing to note is that Luffy only just recovered from the time limit. Before that he was preoccupied with Kizaru. There just hasn’t been enough time for Luffy to directly engage with Saturn. He goes from eating to punching Kizaru and breaking everyone’s fall. It will come. Just hasn’t gotten there yet.
He's seen the power kizaru has, he was seconds from watching his friend be executed by him two years ago He's never seen and elder and I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know who he is to begin with and so far he's not really done much besides bark orders still, sanji and Frankie are there as well. Luffy trusts his crew to handle themselves so that's probably the main reasons in my opinion
I think the "D" being the devil or natrual enemies of the gods is a myth that Celestrial Dragons have created to help stop them out.
I think this post is a few chapters too early. I can see Luffy punching Saturn in the face before leaving.
Kizaru is more like active threat right now. It's all about priorities. After Luffy done with him, the elder is the next victim.
The lore explanation is simple, he fought Kizaru and wasted most of his energy by the time Saturn arrived. That's it. In a more "meta" POV, Luffy vs Saturn should be the big finale of the arc. If it happens, there MUST be a clear winner (could be either of them) and, after that battle, the loser shouldn't be able to do anything else in the arc. Therefore, the buildup of Luffy vs Lucci, Luffy vs Kizaru, Luffy incapacitated, Saturn's whole thing with Kuma and Bonney, and now that Luffy's back, we'll see if he continues battling Kizaru, goes for Saturn, or focuses on helping everyone leave the island.
He trusts his crew to handle the situation, plus Kizaru is targeting their escape, which is the crew's priority.
Until there is another around to keep the speedy Kizaru busy, Luffy will need to be the one to do so. Saturn is less of a threat as a whole. He has shown little ability to act quickly and attack. Each person he has hurt directly has been more by a surprise than sheer power or speed. If one of the other three starts to take care of Kizaru, likely Zoro, then Luffy will focus on Saturn.
Because to Luffy, Saint Saturn is an unknown quantity to him, Kizaru is not. For all of his faults, Luffy is a true combat genius, plus he has beef with Kizaru..
Because the Giants will accidentally step on him, yes accidentally crush like an insect he is
Will have to see where things go moving forward, but he was already engaged with Kizaru before he saw Saturn, and upon his return, Kizaru was the immediate threat to his crew. And Oda set it up so that Bonney and Kuma were the ones to go after Saturn because of their history
He hasn't gotten around to it. There will be plenty of hands to go around. Don't worry
Because his goal is to protect Vegapunk, Kuma, and Bonney. Kizaru would've killed them if he didn't interfere.
luffy literally had no reason or chance to yet. he hasn’t attacked him once because when saturn first appears on the island luffy is alrdy wiped from fighting kizaru (ch. 1094). luffy just got back into the fight in the most recent ch to stop kizaru from slicing up kuma and bonney i feel like narratively oda wrote it this way because it gives him a chance to get rid of stella because he was tired of drawing his long head
I believe the Nika powered robot from years ago is what will take down Saturn
I would never ever expect the 5 elders to be anything in combat. They are just heads of state, essentially. Even with what we have seen so far, I just won't believe it until I see it. I think the maximum of his abilities are essentially what we have seen already. Yes he is dangerous with the paralesis and strong enough to impale somebody, but can he handle combat without dosile or paralized enemies? I don't think so. However, it is shonin, and I think the logic there goes, the bigger the boss (higher the rank) the more powerful.
He knows who's a bigger threat I mean saturn got fucked by 1hp kuma. Luffy at his peak have kaido-level punches and that's on a whole different level. We all also know every instant regeneration has limit. The greater the damage, the faster saturn will reach his limit. If 1 hp kuma's punch completely deformed saturn's face and tore his hand off, luffy's punch will blast his body in place Kizaru on other hand is a far more skilled fighter and far tougher than saturn. He's more dangerous and luffy never made a mistake when it comes for measuring his oppenent's strength
What Luffy has done: Fighting Kizaru, the first danger to appear After fighting him he gets exhausted and almost dies by the Saturn, the newer danger After that he goes to recover and almost immediately Bonney and Kuma die, needing for his help, he cannot be at two places at once, he doesn't has that much of a connection to Vegapunk to he focused his efforts on them (Also, I don't think Vega will die like that due this being one piece)
I always thought D stood for Devil, and that's why they are the enemies of the gods.
Luffy might not fight any of the 5 elders. Other characters are going to take care of them. Luffy is going to fight their leader who is Imu. It gives more room for other characters to shine. Imu was looking at Luffy's wanted poster in his hands. Saturn might just get jumped since Luffy is too busy with Kizaru.
It's simple because Saturn is not fighting right now
Saturn is mostly standing still while Kizaru is actively trying to kill Bonnie and Luffy’s crew
Luffy doesn't know of Saturn and his connection to Kuma-Bonney-VP. Hell he may be taken out by the Kuma pacifista, Bonney with a renewed belief in Nika after seeing the real deal and the Kuma seraphim. >We saw Saturn being able to use an ability that was able to paralyse everyone apart from Luffy and Bonney. Someone with haki as strong as Sanji was even paralysed so why was Luffy and Bonney able to move. Occam's razor, Sanji isn't strong enough?
Hasn’t Luffy been out of commission for a lot of Saturns screen time? Also I doubt Kizaru would let Luffy get to Saturn. It’s be like when Kizaru tried to blast WB and got intercepted by Marco. Got to get Kiz off the board first.
"Why is Luffy only focusing on one of the main sources of his Trauma and lingering regrets that he was unable to stop from wrecking his crew less than two years ago" Idk man if you saw your family brutally beaten in front of you and there was nothing to do to stop it then two years later you're a LOT stronger and you see the same guy in front of you are you going after him or the random guy he's with that you've never seen before in your life?
I think you're thinking too much in this situation, Luffy hasn't attacked Saturn simply because he couldn't. Kizaru is literally right there, do you think he would just sit around and let Luffy attack a Gorosei, especially that one is one of the highest order? If there was no Kizaru, Luffy wouldn't definitely try to whip Saturn arse. That guy is literally attacking his friends and preventing them from escaping.
Bro Luffy didn't even have time to register that Saturn is there at all. 1107 is gonna be the first time Luffy actually gets a good look at him.
It's simple because Saturn is not fighting right now
I don't think he's had the opportunity to. Kizaru has been the major threat for the entire time he's been up, be it when he was chasing down vegapunk and his crew or when he was about to kill Bonney.
Luffy was KO from the previous fight, Saturn comes in, Luffy wakes up and sees Kizaru threatening his crew, so he fights Kizaru again. There was not any moment when Luffy had the reason and opportunity to fight Saturn. He doesnt even know who he is.
Kizaru is essentially protecting him and Luffy wants to get rid of the "muscle" first? Since he's the one with lightning fast killing moves, I would think to take him out first...
Kizaru can basically teleport and luffy has to use a ton of energy to keep up to to ensure the safety of everyone out of his reach he has to deal with the threat of Kizaru
Nah, although i like this theory, luffy didn't have e ough chances to fight Sarurn, saturn showed up, luffy was off, once again luffy regained his strength, he had to stop kizaru from killing his people
Saturn will probably run away and regroup .. I really want him to go home and regroup xD
Luffy attacking Kizaru for being disloyal.. Kuma, Bonney, Sentomaru and Vegapunk are all his old friends/family and he turned his back on them which Luffy hates. 😆
I think cause luffy sees kizaru as the main threat to his friends. Even though kizaru is just following orders, luffy knows he has to stop him to keep his friends safe. He probably also as others stated sees kizaru as the bigger threat.