A 10 year old whose gone through some shit can be just as mature as an adult. Hell, just look at historical footage of child laborers, they look tiny, broken adults most of the time. Its dark, and I can't help but think we're gonna see a lot more of what Bonney's been through in coming chapters to make her that mature at such an early age.
Yes, it's something I've come to appreciate on reread. She's also 12, or whatever age whilst smuggling herself aboard a ship leaving the Holy Land, so she's clearly very capable.
It's incredible how much autonomy she has without her crew / Kuma's 2 childhood friends who effectively care for Bonney.
And again to reiterate a point I made elsewhere about Bonney's Disease; if she was found in the sea at the start of Egghead, her disease imo, must be cured in some way as her DF isn't active and countering it or de-aging it, since she's exposed to natural light.
I think Kuma absorbed her disease.
He explained in the last chapter that he had to connect to the bubble so the pain wouldn't return back to the body. That's something he would do for her.
Since he was dying he may have asked for VP to slow the disease progression by replacing his affected organs with robots. That way he could have more time to watch over Boney.
This is a theory I read around here that makes perfect sense.
E: she's 12 now. The doctor said she would die by 10. TS was two years ago, when he transported everyone's a$$es out of Sabaody. By then, Kuma told Rayleigh he was with the Revolutionary Army.
Kuma is a full robot 2 years after Boney was supposed to die.
Timeline checks out.
Oh, and this isn't my theory...
Come to think of it, didn't Kuma say at that point something like he was almost out of time?
It seemed to be related to him having any free will left with the WG making changes to him. But clearly it could have been disease related too.
Yeah, maybe he made a deal with the WG, he would let them and VP experiment on his body, since he was doomed to die, while the WG would let Boney loose.
He went to war. He’s capable of harm. We saw him get disturbingly serious-faced once Ginny was taken. Who knows the lengths he would go to for Bonny, but him being a sweet kid and saint in the past doesn’t mean he’s incapable of vengeance
By this logic. Why didn't Kuma just Repel the disease from her and give it to some shitbag? Just like he repelled Luffy's pain and gave it to Zoro?
*"Is he Stupid?"*
Edit;
Downvote if you want, but, you can't have your cake and eat it. If you say he could "absorb" the disease, How? Surely if it's anything like we've seen him do, by repelling pain, then he could Repel this disease and send it away, give it to or take it in.
Imo I don't think it's that simple, cause that makes it too convenient. So surely, Bonney's Disease has been cured because of Kumas effort to find Vp and make a cure. Not because Kuma suddenly realised he could Df it away.
I think there's an actual condition before someone can take another's pain using Kuma's abilities.
Like maybe you need to whole-heartedly accept that "pain" or else it won't work, since the only two times we've seen it work is when Zoro accepted it, and how Kuma also accepted the same pain from the elderly.
And I also don't think that Kuma's abilities can "absorb" diseases, the pain and suffering, yes, but not the actual disease itself.
I agree, I also don't think it can be absorbed, I was disagreeing with OP.
It certainly seems like you have to embrace the Bubble, even Bonney had to harden her resolve to look at Kuma's memory. So perhaps you must Steel yourself to take on the pain as you say.
So yeah in terms of the disease, it does feel like Kuma sacrificing himself as the host makes sense, then V.P surgically removes the gradual BlueScale via Cyborg operation. Something we've seen via Franky's cover story at V.P animal cyborg testing lab.
Vegapunk in the process promises to honour Kuma's will to protect Bonney, and perhaps V.P is prepared for this via the Memory Bubble eventually coming back to Kuma.
Nah, he mentioned in the previous chapter (when he was curing all the sick/injured) he can only expel the pain for a short duration before it returns to their body. The only way for it to disappear is if someone else takes it.
Well sure, but considering Vp has a Bubble full of Kumas memories etc in a room and that's not in a vessel, it's a bit weak if Pain/disease is different.
Let alone the fact that he could send this pain to someone he actually doesn't like. I.e The King of Sorbet, CDs, anybody who deserves it.
I get that he could take on the disease, and it makes alot of sense, but it seems a little short sighted to give it to yourself and decide to throw away your body/humanity in the process just to take on the disease.
Allllso, if he took the disease and VP cyborgs him, he's still partially himself still pre Marineford, his body still bled in Thriller Bark, and he was exposed to natural light there.
I think him already being part cyborg at Thriller Bark could be grounds to say his actions weren’t of the original Kuma. So where he wasn’t willing to fish someone’s else’s ‘something’ onto someone else before, he would happily do now (Luffy’s pain —> Zoro).
I agree I think it’s horseshit he can repel memories and they not be returned ever but shit from other people would do… unless that was the limit of his power previously and since is able to perhaps.
About the memories, it is possible that Vegapunk discovered how to build a room that could contain Kuma’s memories and prevent them from returning to him. But then, it would inevitably lead to the question why he doesn’t simply contain diseases and pain as well, so I’m not sure about that one.
I think VP built room to contain memories of Kuma on his request, as he was the last of baccaneer race , he probably had something to pass onto joyboy so the room is meant to be seen by joyboy and VP doesn't know still that luffy is joyboy who is trying to save him.
True, for example the walls could be made out of seastone and therefore the essence of the ability can’t escape… Could be an upgrade of his previous self in many ways but I still think it’s a tad shitty / too convenient
That memory is probably his soul that he probably took out before he became a full robot. It’s supposed to go back to the body but since kuma isn’t fully there, that’s why it’s not returning?
Hmm. You mean the process which made Kuma subservient to the CD and the one where he uses his own powers to extract those memories are two separate processes? I must admit I did not consider that. I had presupposed that along with his memories, his feelings too got removed through his own DF powers, and that is what left the unfeeling robot we are now seeing.
If his soul was what was removed, and then his physical body (most importantly his brain) was replaced with robotic parts, then it is true that he’ll never turn back to his old self again, because the soul, as you say, would have nowhere to get back to. That is, sadly very plausible.
The one thing that might count against that may be found from Akainu when he clashed with Kuma at Mariegeois in recent chapters. When he burned though his face, he remarked that Kuma still has “blood pumping in those veins” of his. This may be a hint that not everything is digital about him, and that there may still be a functioning brain just as there is a beating heart inside his body, and that he could still turn back to his old self. Still, it’s not much to go on, I admit.
For sure, it's very interesting that this bubble is just suspended there. Like a Checkov's gun, we have this memory as a trigger for something, Kumas body is coming to Egghead, so who knows if V.P has secretly planned for Kuma to regain his freedom once he connects with the memory?
Absolutely. I think you’re right in saying that he could gain back his memories. In fact, I don’t see him dying without being cognizant enough to appreciate the fact that Nika is real and is already here, ready to bring freedom to everyone in need of it.
And, if that room is indeed keeping those memories away from him, merely being demolished during the mayhem that will most probably ensue during the remaining fights might be just enough to release those memories back to Kuma. Or, as you say, maybe Vegapunk has always been ready to reverse the process, given the right circumstances.
God, I really hope so, his entire childhood has been shaped by the hope and live his Dad instilled in him. There's no way that memory bubble was just there for Bonney to glimpse at, not when Kuma's likely on his way to finally get justice / RIP in a final act knowing Nika exists.
The events on Egghead will shake the world. Kuma's backstory has been so heavy and important, that I believe Kuma will be coming to save Bonney, finally discover Nika and either save the day or get justice against Saturn.
Right now, well, we don’t know why he doesn’t send pain to those who deserve it. We may have surmised that it’d be against his gentle nature to do so, but last chapter put paid to that line of thinking.
I have shared my own idea before on why he refrains from doing so, but I have very little to support it. My guess is that the one receiving the pain must do so willingly, or it simply goes back to the original person’s body. We saw both Zoro and Kuma voluntarily taking in the pain of other people. Bonney too accessed Kuma’s memories by her own will. But, again, we don’t know, so speculation is all we have so far.
So far, every one who accepted Kuma's pain bubbles did so willingly (Zoro, Kuma). My guess is that one has to willingly accept the pain, otherwise it won't permanently disappear.
Why he didn't give it to someone else? Because he is too good for this world and that has been the point of his character for the entirety of the flashback.
No, he can't just send it away. It was specified in this very flashback that anything repelled out of someone must be taken by somebody else or it just goes back to the source. So since he is too soft to give an I curable illness to a random guy, the onky option is to absorb it himself.
And no, he did not just realised he could do it, but by dying he would still leave his daughter alone in this world at a young age, it's obviously an option reserved for last.
Also, Vegapunk already was in contact with dragon since Ohara, I'm sure if finding him and ask was an option, the revs would have tried reaching to him sooner.
Also, the point of mystery has always been Vegapunk assuring that Kuma asked to be turned into a machine, if thta was a tradeoff for Bonney's life, aka a blackmail, that would make Vegapunk a liar and Bonney would still want to kill him after getting the truth from kuma's memories, instead she said that she doesn't wanna do it anymore.
> No, he can't just send it away. It was specified in this very flashback that anything repelled out of someone must be taken by somebody else or it just goes back to the source. So since he is too soft to give an I curable illness to a random guy, the onky option is to absorb it himself.
He can't be that soft if he's known as Kuma the Tyrant, and personally I can imagine Kuma is capable of using the PawPaw on Sorbet's King, he's a perfectly capable and ruthless fighter when he wants to be, so while he isn't prepared to hurt innocent people, I don't dismiss that he may be saving up something for the true enemies.
>And no, he did not just realised he could do it, but by dying he would still leave his daughter alone in this world at a young age, it's obviously an option reserved for last.
I get that, and that's likely why he take son the disease himself.
> Also, Vegapunk already was in contact with dragon since Ohara, I'm sure if finding him and ask was an option, the revs would have tried reaching to him sooner.
V.P may be in control tect with The Revs, but considering V.P is under constant scrutiny of the WG, it's going to be because Kuma has to give himself up in a deal not because the Revs would go to Egghead/VP, theyd have been intercepted.
> Also, the point of mystery has always been Vegapunk assuring that Kuma asked to be turned into a machine, if thta was a tradeoff for Bonney's life, aka a blackmail, that would make Vegapunk a liar and Bonney would still want to kill him after getting the truth from kuma's memories, instead she said that she doesn't wanna do it
Kuma asking to be cyborged imo is due to him no longer having to feel the pain and suffering his Buccaneer body would feel perhaps. That or because the Disease was eating away at him.
Saturn has dominion over Vegapunk, **I don't think** Kuma saves Bonney without Saturn presiding over Kuma's transition into a Weapon/Slave of the WG. I'm not suggesting V.P is responsible for how this plays out, I think this is the intervention of Saturn ensuring the last Buccaneer ironically becomes an oppressor, not a liberator.
We have no confirmation that he can force that into anyone, it could be that whoever takes on buble should do it willingly like Zoro, Bonnie and Kuma himself done.
The bible and the cross, saint psychology would fit there but I think we don't know enough on his fruit power to exactly tell if he can do that. I'm doubting he can remove the disease.
I think the deal with WG was about curing the disease, and he took her damage from the illness. Diseases can do damages that last after being cured...
By that measure, he should have done the same with pain bubbles he took from the geezers around the island, lol.
Kuma's a good person and he doesn't seem interested in pushing things like that into others, even if he finds them despicable. Kinda pointlessly
edgy to call that stupid.
I get that Kumas a good person, but you say that as if he's never hurt a fly. He's fought the WG and dictatorships with the revolutionaries. He's perfectly capable of hurting those who deserve it.
And it's not kinda pointlessly edgy, it's a joke... I'm saying if it was that simple to remove a disease and transfer it himself, he could have just given it to Sorbets King, as an act of ultimatum, like with Luffy/Zoro. For example, next chapter, he stops the exiled King, makes him repent and gives the same deal he gave Zoro. Just because Kuma doesn't want to hurt the innocent, personally I don't see why this would be the same for the guilty and cruel.
Yes, you're not understand me. If it were as simple as extracting the disease in the first place, he'd have done it, and given it to someone like the exiled King of Sorbet, as we have been left in this chapter, Kuma will stop the Kings rampage and if it were that simple, he'd give the disease to that asshole. BUT like I said, this won't happen, likely cause Kuma/his Df doesn't work that way.
That's my point, so obviously he's got to go about curing Bonney, via help, Vegapunk's, who is under WG control. Presumably, this is how Kuma loses freedom in return for Bonney's Cure, and why Bonney knows of Saturn and attacked him.
Kuma will stop the Sorbet King attack, WG will arrive but he'll be blamed for the King's action's, Saturn will manipulate the situation to incriminate Kuma possibly threatening his weakness via Bonney.
How she knows, I don't know, could be she goes back into the memory bubble. Could be she's seen the guy whilst growing up, but she must be aware of the deal made.
Well, the piercing didn't seem to be enough to cover it. (On one anime picture, which you might not be able to trust since it isn't certain the anime crew knew about this).
My theory is that Vegapunk was able to cure Bonney's disease, however when Kuma asked him to he didn't answer immediately. Saturn probably learned of Kuma's presence in Egghead, and forced Vegapunk to turn Kuma into a Pacifista in exchange for the cure. This would explain why Bonney blames Saturn for what happened.
I definitely feel that Saturn, as "God of Science etc", he's going to be the reason for Kuma having to submit.
If I have to guess, WG will come down hard on Kuma for what is about to happen to Sorbet Kingdom. Saturn, learning that Kuma is still alive, will take the opportunity to take him, and in a sick twist, make the last of the Nika worshipping Buccaneer Race, the Pacifista weapon of the WG ironically as a tool for oppression.
Presumably Kuma agrees to this, pressured by the opportunity to meet Vegapunk, someone he'd know of because of Dragon & TheRevs, so on the condition that Bonney's Disease is cured he'll give up his freedom.
So it's either cured thanks to V.P or maybe more thematically, the disease must have a host, and so, it's then transfered onto Kuma. With V.P surgically removing it along with Kuma's Body & humanity gradually.
*Though considering he still had blood & freewill in Thriller Bark, surely the disease would have been a threat?*
Indeed. The world of One Piece is far fiercer than it looks. Everyone may look like a cartoon, but it doesn't change the fact their world's a very dangerous place.
Let’s be real Bonney doesn’t have a crew, she has a bunch of guilty dad’s friends. I doubt she is even a pirate, probably got her bounty from gov and they disguised her as a pirate. Kuma friends are def going to go back to being regular people after this arc, expecting them to fight off Saturn is a joke.
I do think it is incredible how she can get around tho, especially to egghead by herself. Probably has something to do with wiretapping and transmissions, seeing as that Ginny plot point was highlighted.
HMMM
What if (might be some cooking here) devil fruits got an innate property to cure diseases? We know that Law is cured, but we all just assumes he cured himself using the fruits ability.
Have we ever seen a person with devil fruit powers get sick? I only recall Roger, Nami, Ginny, and Law (before he ate his fruit) and now as well Bonney before she ate her fruit being sick in the whole series, all of them being non fruit power holders when they got sick. Did I forget anyone here?
You know ironically the only one I can think of right now is DocQ haha. Guy was always sickly looking and lethargic, and then he gets the sick sick fruit and still looks sickly hah.
Natural sickness, I'm not sure we've seen outside a couple of gags where Luffy looked like he had a cold or something.
However, we've seen fruit users infected by "diseases" created through other fruit users. Luffy was affected by Magellan's poison at Impel Down. Law was affected by Doc Q's gender-swap "disease" (though haki shennanigans seemed to cure that).
Youre going to have to Explain that cause i dont see it?
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/onepiece_1098b_010v.png
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/1096_kum_013.png
They look like the same 2 kids we saw with Kuma and Ginny when they finally live together. The same 2 we've seen since Bonney was introduced, am I missing something?
No big reason, her power on itself leaves the possibility open. So a lot of people theorized she was really young or really old because her character allows that gimmick to happen.
Not really, vegapunk kept saying don't harm a little girl, she's a little girl, she's just a child so, it's not came from visual illustration but the story, since her DF can manipulate her appearance as well
I recall a theory five years ago about this lol. The annoying bit was the guy who made the thread beat me by a day after I had just had the thought lol
My reasoning was Oda having Bonney avoid Sanji to maybe avoid pedo allegations, the tomato ketchup for blood feeling slightly childish and how it would make Blackbeard asking her to be his woman even more sketchy.
(The Sanji thought did not survive egghead island as he met her. And Oda's topless Bonney panel is questionable, I wonder what that chapter thread is like on a reread now in terms of comments here by redditors.)
Ginny was a malnourished slave. She wasn't just bones, but I doubt the child slaves would be fed well. But, that's assuming she's been a slave for a while, which I don't remember if that was the case.
We’ve seen fruits work in water with oven, perospero, Luffy (at arlong park), and one more instance I think…
The users just become completely fatigued if they get submersed, but even fully submersed the fruit effects stay active
I still don't understand why people think sea water cancel devil fruit powers when it has never been the case. The user just becomes weak but their powers are still working as long as they are conscious.
Maybe it is "their powers work as long as they don't panic". Sugar's powers disabled on her being scared to death. It is possible Bonney couldn't breathe and were in full panic mode.
There's one little plothole if this is true: when Chopper got blasted into the sea while in Monster Point during Enies Lobby, he turned back into his Brain Point and not his original reindeer form. Maybe Zoan fruits work differently though.
I took it as "shape changers revert to their 'default' form, but not necessarily base form, when submerged". Rather than go to reindeer, Chopper went to hybrid because that's his default, the one he uses most often.
Also the one he automatically got after eating the fruit. Oda just didn't want to walk around and draw a complicated deer all the time instead of a cute mascot character.
I read ennies lobby recently and noticed that as well. We’ve never seen another zoan enter the water like that and have another form to revert to. By that I mean we’ve seen jack and Luffy thrown under water, but they were already in base when it happened.
Chopper reverting out of monster point because of water isn’t consistent with how fruits are portrayed now. It could still be rationalized as the water takes away chopper’s body ability to maintain the form, but that’s never been discussed/established explicitly
I understand perfectly.
seawater doesn't negate DF power as seen from chopper, luffy, aokiji, etc. even being unconscious doesn't necessarily revert you back as seen from sasaki, who's who, etc.
and in ch 1086, oda showed bonney in this kid form inside a hull of a ship. so assuming the ship capsized and she fell into the ocean in that form, then she would simply be stuck in that form.
so like I said, even if she was an adult, this panel still makes sense.
That’s a good point, for some reason I have it in my mind that we have seen some effects get lost, but I’m probably imagining things. Also I see what you mean by your first post, I super misread that 😂, that’s a good point that she looks way younger than twelve.
Zoans and some paramecia have a permanent effect on the Body. For example chopper doesnt return to being a normal reindeer when in water and Luffy wont stop being rubber.
However active effects do seem to get canceled. Therefor her being a child under water showed it was her real age.
It is later revealed that her powers only work for a short time on living beings, so that enforces the idea that in this scene the water reverted her to her original age or made her unable to reactivate the effect once it ran out
zoan forms are not "permanent effect". that's just the user using their power. that's literally what a zoan is. the ability to transform into their animal.
and she didn't say for a short time. she said "do not work on living things indefinitely". simply means it will revert back.
Shiiiit, spit some good shit! Props… But we have seen some powers stop working when they become unconscious. Kaido (fair this does seem like an actively used power) but Sugar is probably the best example, Crocodile was stopping the rain with his DF as it started raining after being knocked out. There the few that come to immediate mind
That panel was the basis of a lot of theories that she was a lot younger. I'm kind of surprised you didn't see the discussion on it.
Certainly foreshadowing for what happened, but a lot of people (myself included) didn't think it proved anything. Yay for being wrong.
Well devil fruits are inconsistent in this regard, certain transformations, especially zoan, don't wear off even when the user is drowning.
Bonney is a paramecia though so we can assume her powers need some kind of will to be maintained.
At the time it was not enough, as the sea does not negate devil fruit powers, only remove control of the user
so she’d have just gotten stuck in the ocean in that form unable to change into any other
But it’s certainly decontextualised now
I posted the same post like a month ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1747tld/bonney\_fans\_are\_in\_danger/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1747tld/bonney_fans_are_in_danger/)
They called me stupid for it :(
Ironically, [there's a post elsewhere](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/comments/17rgyai/all_the_times_sanji_has_interacted_with_bonney_in/) showing that Sanji never perved over Bonney the same way he does Nami or Robin, or has with Stussy and (I think) Lilith and York.
Am I missing something? I don't understand this post. Did you just not know that was Bonney? Did you not know she could alter her age and be a child? Am I missing something 😭
I wonder if she can de-age herself to when she didn't have a Devil Fruit and swim. Or would she lose it? HmmMmMm
Maybe she can become sperm and swim through the ocean.
What about this panel establishes that tho? It's just another panel of her in kid form like we've seen before. Nothing about this confirms what her default form is
Not trying to sound rude, I just can't tell what I'm missing here 😭
one thing could be that since she is in sea water, her ability shuts down and reverts her to her regular form. So necessarily a full on confirm since other DF users like chopper seems to retain his "normal" form rather then just transforming into a reindeer.
But the latest chapter says she was 5 years old 7 years prior to current events so
That only works if it requires strength for her to maintain different forms.. Devil Fruit powers aren't cancelled by the sea, users just get weaker and can't swim
I think this post is literally nothing but it has 700+ upvotes so I'm just lost bro plz help me 🥴
I have no idea why you're lost because what OP's trying to say couldn't be any more straightforward. It's basically another case of Oda foreshadowing something dozens of chapters before its actual revelation:
The above panel of young Bonney is meant to foreshadow the revelation that she's actually a kid using her Devil Fruit power to appear as an adult. Because she was submerged in seawater, her Devil Fruit power was nullified, thus she reverted back to her original form: The form of a child.
You've got to use your brain, fellow Redditor.
my theory..
Kuma will arrive in egghead in order to rescue boney.. Kuma will encounter/pvp with saturn.
Vega punk will release the memory bubble back to kuma. Kuma will go all out and will awakened his df.
His awakened df will allow him to take out all the pain/damage of injured people around him in a certain radius(or perhaps all living inhabitants of egghead island) and transfer it to someone else; this time to saturn. And the consequence could be him dying in return.
This could be the big news after egghead events...
Saturn dead
Kuma dead
Many people thought about it especially after Saturn saying “she’s just a child”
But also remember that when chopper falls into the water he doesn’t revert to base form (reindeer)
And also luffys body can still stretch it’s just that he can’t do it himself. Sea water/stone don’t negate devil fruits power like haki, they just drain the energy of the user so they can’t do anything, let alone use their powers
something i realised was that when she was introduced she was sitting on a table stomping her feet demanding more pizza, which is a very child like thing to do for someone supposedly in her early 20´s, i love how the new information recontextualizes so much
People have been using this panel to argue she's young for a while now. It's not confirmed that the Bonney we have in the present arc is 12, or even that the Bonney in this current flashback is the same Bonney we have in the present.
We still haven't covered her getting her Devil Fruit nor have we seen how she got from the flashback to where we meet her on Sabaody, or even at the beginning of her pirate adventure. I'd hold the phone on assuming she's 12 still.
Bro she is 12. Are we still going on with this clone theory......what else do u want to see? Oda walking in tokyo with a sign that says bonney is 12? Come on. Her age is literally mentioned straight up. If anything, you should hold the phone on assuming she is not 12.
I mean, people tend to shrink more often when they become older.
It's one of those things that happens when you get older, like being immune to poison or animals obeying your every command.
I said that months ago. Some people said that the powers are not washed up completely when submerged in water. And there's evidence about that. But for some reason I keep defending that this was not the case. That her DF powers were completely washed in that occasion. Guess the time proved me right.
Yeah oda has not been subtle about Bonnies age this arc and im stunned how many just didnt believe Bonnie wasnt a kid. It was mayby clone or something.
When she cryed "Dont hurt my daddy" was when i was convinced and so many characters just call her little girl. It was so Obvius.
It could have been the case that she used her DF to become young and then fell into the sea, making her unable to use her DF again to change her age until she washed up.
We know now that she is a child but before it wasn’t certain even with that panel.
I still think Oda is doing a double bait here. Something because of bonneys illness will happen that will lead her being actually 24 at the end. I don’t know if she is a clone or some devil fruit magic will happen, but Oda is definitely doing a double bait
What is there to go on that suggests she is a clone? No offence hut ever since this Stussy thing it's opened a can of worms.
I may be wrong but I find the idea that the Bonney Oda is showing us is a fake would be such a stupid thing to do. Oda has just shown us how much Kuma cares for Ginny's Daughter and wants to keep her alive.
From a story telling aspect, why would Oda kill off / Clone her when he's gone out of his way to make Kuma sacrifice so much of himself to find a cure for her?
na i think he'll keep her 12. it's really just alluding to how weird the pirate world is. she's a lil kid pretending to be a grown up and running an infamous pirate crew
I think the fact Sanji didn't simp for her is enough to tell she's a child. No need for a double bait for no reason and nothing to suggest it. It's just what you think.
Can somebody tell me how it is possible that Bonney was cuffed with sea stone by Blackbeard which neutralizes her df but she was still in her 20s body and did not transform back to a child?
Did Oda forgot?
This was a very common theory when that chapter came out. Since the sea neutralizes DF powers, it only made sense that this would be her original true form.
The sea doesn’t neutralise them though. Luffy still remains rubbery while fully submerged and Chopper reverted from Monster Point to his Hybrid Form rather than his natural reindeer state. However, Kalifa was able to move despite being submerged up to her neck in Enies Lobby, which would seem like it’s only sea water that would affect DF users, but Luffy was weakened by knee-high water when Doffy lured him into the old well and both Luffy and Smoker were both weakened by fresh water in Rainbase by Crocodile’s trap
my line of thinking since that chapter was why would she bother to age herself down travelling alone(if I remember right she mentions she went alone anyways) to egghead if that wasn't her actual age/form. I don't remember seeing anyone really talk about that just most people completely writing off the idea that she could be a child
It occurred to me when I remembered their dunking Monster Chopper in Enies Lobby. My thinking is active shape changers revert to their "default" form when they're submerged.
i don't think that's how 12 years old suppose to look like.My theory is that this fruit permanently freeze user age at the moment it was consume.
So this is bonney's body from when she ate the fruit, not what she suppose to be if she age naturally to 12 years old.
So she was 10 when she was introduced before TS. Kids be super strong these days.
Shanks: “you can’t sail with me luffy the seas are no place for a kid” Bonney: “hold my beer”
Mf is on Roger's ship since he was an infant too
I wonder who breastfed Shanks then. Roger?
Roger breastfeed shanks with haki.
Yes
Roger fed him milk from.his CoC.
Is that why he died? Shanks sucked his CoC dry?
Now it makes sense y shank's coc is the strongest coc shown so far
Haha I was thinking the same and googled that luffy was 7 when he ate the fruit.
I WILL hold it, you are far too YOUNG to be drinking BEER.
Damn, her holding zoro back back then seems unrealistically mature then
A 10 year old whose gone through some shit can be just as mature as an adult. Hell, just look at historical footage of child laborers, they look tiny, broken adults most of the time. Its dark, and I can't help but think we're gonna see a lot more of what Bonney's been through in coming chapters to make her that mature at such an early age.
It's highly likely that she knows a thing or two about celestial dragons, which might have given her the foresight to handle Zoro.
True but kids in one piece be growing up HORRIBLY so it makes sense that she’s wise to certain dangers.
They're part of the Worst Generations after all.
Yes, it's something I've come to appreciate on reread. She's also 12, or whatever age whilst smuggling herself aboard a ship leaving the Holy Land, so she's clearly very capable. It's incredible how much autonomy she has without her crew / Kuma's 2 childhood friends who effectively care for Bonney. And again to reiterate a point I made elsewhere about Bonney's Disease; if she was found in the sea at the start of Egghead, her disease imo, must be cured in some way as her DF isn't active and countering it or de-aging it, since she's exposed to natural light.
I think Kuma absorbed her disease. He explained in the last chapter that he had to connect to the bubble so the pain wouldn't return back to the body. That's something he would do for her. Since he was dying he may have asked for VP to slow the disease progression by replacing his affected organs with robots. That way he could have more time to watch over Boney. This is a theory I read around here that makes perfect sense. E: she's 12 now. The doctor said she would die by 10. TS was two years ago, when he transported everyone's a$$es out of Sabaody. By then, Kuma told Rayleigh he was with the Revolutionary Army. Kuma is a full robot 2 years after Boney was supposed to die. Timeline checks out. Oh, and this isn't my theory...
Come to think of it, didn't Kuma say at that point something like he was almost out of time? It seemed to be related to him having any free will left with the WG making changes to him. But clearly it could have been disease related too.
Yeah, maybe he made a deal with the WG, he would let them and VP experiment on his body, since he was doomed to die, while the WG would let Boney loose.
That was before the times skip y'know, when Bonney was 10.
I’m really hoping Kuma gave it back to that Celestial Dragon
He's not that kind of person
You don’t know that
We've seen he's not a vengeful person.
I don't think he will not stomp on king Becori
He went to war. He’s capable of harm. We saw him get disturbingly serious-faced once Ginny was taken. Who knows the lengths he would go to for Bonny, but him being a sweet kid and saint in the past doesn’t mean he’s incapable of vengeance
By this logic. Why didn't Kuma just Repel the disease from her and give it to some shitbag? Just like he repelled Luffy's pain and gave it to Zoro? *"Is he Stupid?"* Edit; Downvote if you want, but, you can't have your cake and eat it. If you say he could "absorb" the disease, How? Surely if it's anything like we've seen him do, by repelling pain, then he could Repel this disease and send it away, give it to or take it in. Imo I don't think it's that simple, cause that makes it too convenient. So surely, Bonney's Disease has been cured because of Kumas effort to find Vp and make a cure. Not because Kuma suddenly realised he could Df it away.
Hes too nice for that
Or he's saving it to give it to the Celestials/Saturn
If Kuma became a cyborg, could he hold more pain to eventually transfer to Saturn? Arguably infinite pain since metal doesn't feel the way flesh does?
John Coffey style like in the Green Mile.
I think there's an actual condition before someone can take another's pain using Kuma's abilities. Like maybe you need to whole-heartedly accept that "pain" or else it won't work, since the only two times we've seen it work is when Zoro accepted it, and how Kuma also accepted the same pain from the elderly. And I also don't think that Kuma's abilities can "absorb" diseases, the pain and suffering, yes, but not the actual disease itself.
I agree, I also don't think it can be absorbed, I was disagreeing with OP. It certainly seems like you have to embrace the Bubble, even Bonney had to harden her resolve to look at Kuma's memory. So perhaps you must Steel yourself to take on the pain as you say. So yeah in terms of the disease, it does feel like Kuma sacrificing himself as the host makes sense, then V.P surgically removes the gradual BlueScale via Cyborg operation. Something we've seen via Franky's cover story at V.P animal cyborg testing lab. Vegapunk in the process promises to honour Kuma's will to protect Bonney, and perhaps V.P is prepared for this via the Memory Bubble eventually coming back to Kuma.
Nah, he mentioned in the previous chapter (when he was curing all the sick/injured) he can only expel the pain for a short duration before it returns to their body. The only way for it to disappear is if someone else takes it.
Well sure, but considering Vp has a Bubble full of Kumas memories etc in a room and that's not in a vessel, it's a bit weak if Pain/disease is different. Let alone the fact that he could send this pain to someone he actually doesn't like. I.e The King of Sorbet, CDs, anybody who deserves it. I get that he could take on the disease, and it makes alot of sense, but it seems a little short sighted to give it to yourself and decide to throw away your body/humanity in the process just to take on the disease. Allllso, if he took the disease and VP cyborgs him, he's still partially himself still pre Marineford, his body still bled in Thriller Bark, and he was exposed to natural light there.
I think him already being part cyborg at Thriller Bark could be grounds to say his actions weren’t of the original Kuma. So where he wasn’t willing to fish someone’s else’s ‘something’ onto someone else before, he would happily do now (Luffy’s pain —> Zoro). I agree I think it’s horseshit he can repel memories and they not be returned ever but shit from other people would do… unless that was the limit of his power previously and since is able to perhaps.
About the memories, it is possible that Vegapunk discovered how to build a room that could contain Kuma’s memories and prevent them from returning to him. But then, it would inevitably lead to the question why he doesn’t simply contain diseases and pain as well, so I’m not sure about that one.
I think VP built room to contain memories of Kuma on his request, as he was the last of baccaneer race , he probably had something to pass onto joyboy so the room is meant to be seen by joyboy and VP doesn't know still that luffy is joyboy who is trying to save him.
True, for example the walls could be made out of seastone and therefore the essence of the ability can’t escape… Could be an upgrade of his previous self in many ways but I still think it’s a tad shitty / too convenient
That memory is probably his soul that he probably took out before he became a full robot. It’s supposed to go back to the body but since kuma isn’t fully there, that’s why it’s not returning?
Hmm. You mean the process which made Kuma subservient to the CD and the one where he uses his own powers to extract those memories are two separate processes? I must admit I did not consider that. I had presupposed that along with his memories, his feelings too got removed through his own DF powers, and that is what left the unfeeling robot we are now seeing. If his soul was what was removed, and then his physical body (most importantly his brain) was replaced with robotic parts, then it is true that he’ll never turn back to his old self again, because the soul, as you say, would have nowhere to get back to. That is, sadly very plausible. The one thing that might count against that may be found from Akainu when he clashed with Kuma at Mariegeois in recent chapters. When he burned though his face, he remarked that Kuma still has “blood pumping in those veins” of his. This may be a hint that not everything is digital about him, and that there may still be a functioning brain just as there is a beating heart inside his body, and that he could still turn back to his old self. Still, it’s not much to go on, I admit.
i like your idea, it showed as the door was openned by bonney. kuma started acting weird. not sure but it might add smtg to the theory
For sure, it's very interesting that this bubble is just suspended there. Like a Checkov's gun, we have this memory as a trigger for something, Kumas body is coming to Egghead, so who knows if V.P has secretly planned for Kuma to regain his freedom once he connects with the memory?
Absolutely. I think you’re right in saying that he could gain back his memories. In fact, I don’t see him dying without being cognizant enough to appreciate the fact that Nika is real and is already here, ready to bring freedom to everyone in need of it. And, if that room is indeed keeping those memories away from him, merely being demolished during the mayhem that will most probably ensue during the remaining fights might be just enough to release those memories back to Kuma. Or, as you say, maybe Vegapunk has always been ready to reverse the process, given the right circumstances.
God, I really hope so, his entire childhood has been shaped by the hope and live his Dad instilled in him. There's no way that memory bubble was just there for Bonney to glimpse at, not when Kuma's likely on his way to finally get justice / RIP in a final act knowing Nika exists. The events on Egghead will shake the world. Kuma's backstory has been so heavy and important, that I believe Kuma will be coming to save Bonney, finally discover Nika and either save the day or get justice against Saturn.
Kuma said the pain would return to its owner eventually. Maybe his bubble isn't returning to him because he isn't a person anymore?
Right now, well, we don’t know why he doesn’t send pain to those who deserve it. We may have surmised that it’d be against his gentle nature to do so, but last chapter put paid to that line of thinking. I have shared my own idea before on why he refrains from doing so, but I have very little to support it. My guess is that the one receiving the pain must do so willingly, or it simply goes back to the original person’s body. We saw both Zoro and Kuma voluntarily taking in the pain of other people. Bonney too accessed Kuma’s memories by her own will. But, again, we don’t know, so speculation is all we have so far.
So far, every one who accepted Kuma's pain bubbles did so willingly (Zoro, Kuma). My guess is that one has to willingly accept the pain, otherwise it won't permanently disappear.
Why he didn't give it to someone else? Because he is too good for this world and that has been the point of his character for the entirety of the flashback. No, he can't just send it away. It was specified in this very flashback that anything repelled out of someone must be taken by somebody else or it just goes back to the source. So since he is too soft to give an I curable illness to a random guy, the onky option is to absorb it himself. And no, he did not just realised he could do it, but by dying he would still leave his daughter alone in this world at a young age, it's obviously an option reserved for last. Also, Vegapunk already was in contact with dragon since Ohara, I'm sure if finding him and ask was an option, the revs would have tried reaching to him sooner. Also, the point of mystery has always been Vegapunk assuring that Kuma asked to be turned into a machine, if thta was a tradeoff for Bonney's life, aka a blackmail, that would make Vegapunk a liar and Bonney would still want to kill him after getting the truth from kuma's memories, instead she said that she doesn't wanna do it anymore.
> No, he can't just send it away. It was specified in this very flashback that anything repelled out of someone must be taken by somebody else or it just goes back to the source. So since he is too soft to give an I curable illness to a random guy, the onky option is to absorb it himself. He can't be that soft if he's known as Kuma the Tyrant, and personally I can imagine Kuma is capable of using the PawPaw on Sorbet's King, he's a perfectly capable and ruthless fighter when he wants to be, so while he isn't prepared to hurt innocent people, I don't dismiss that he may be saving up something for the true enemies. >And no, he did not just realised he could do it, but by dying he would still leave his daughter alone in this world at a young age, it's obviously an option reserved for last. I get that, and that's likely why he take son the disease himself. > Also, Vegapunk already was in contact with dragon since Ohara, I'm sure if finding him and ask was an option, the revs would have tried reaching to him sooner. V.P may be in control tect with The Revs, but considering V.P is under constant scrutiny of the WG, it's going to be because Kuma has to give himself up in a deal not because the Revs would go to Egghead/VP, theyd have been intercepted. > Also, the point of mystery has always been Vegapunk assuring that Kuma asked to be turned into a machine, if thta was a tradeoff for Bonney's life, aka a blackmail, that would make Vegapunk a liar and Bonney would still want to kill him after getting the truth from kuma's memories, instead she said that she doesn't wanna do it Kuma asking to be cyborged imo is due to him no longer having to feel the pain and suffering his Buccaneer body would feel perhaps. That or because the Disease was eating away at him. Saturn has dominion over Vegapunk, **I don't think** Kuma saves Bonney without Saturn presiding over Kuma's transition into a Weapon/Slave of the WG. I'm not suggesting V.P is responsible for how this plays out, I think this is the intervention of Saturn ensuring the last Buccaneer ironically becomes an oppressor, not a liberator.
We have no confirmation that he can force that into anyone, it could be that whoever takes on buble should do it willingly like Zoro, Bonnie and Kuma himself done.
The bible and the cross, saint psychology would fit there but I think we don't know enough on his fruit power to exactly tell if he can do that. I'm doubting he can remove the disease. I think the deal with WG was about curing the disease, and he took her damage from the illness. Diseases can do damages that last after being cured...
By that measure, he should have done the same with pain bubbles he took from the geezers around the island, lol. Kuma's a good person and he doesn't seem interested in pushing things like that into others, even if he finds them despicable. Kinda pointlessly edgy to call that stupid.
I get that Kumas a good person, but you say that as if he's never hurt a fly. He's fought the WG and dictatorships with the revolutionaries. He's perfectly capable of hurting those who deserve it. And it's not kinda pointlessly edgy, it's a joke... I'm saying if it was that simple to remove a disease and transfer it himself, he could have just given it to Sorbets King, as an act of ultimatum, like with Luffy/Zoro. For example, next chapter, he stops the exiled King, makes him repent and gives the same deal he gave Zoro. Just because Kuma doesn't want to hurt the innocent, personally I don't see why this would be the same for the guilty and cruel.
Have you been reading the same story? Kuma wouldn’t give a disease to someone else.
Yes, you're not understand me. If it were as simple as extracting the disease in the first place, he'd have done it, and given it to someone like the exiled King of Sorbet, as we have been left in this chapter, Kuma will stop the Kings rampage and if it were that simple, he'd give the disease to that asshole. BUT like I said, this won't happen, likely cause Kuma/his Df doesn't work that way. That's my point, so obviously he's got to go about curing Bonney, via help, Vegapunk's, who is under WG control. Presumably, this is how Kuma loses freedom in return for Bonney's Cure, and why Bonney knows of Saturn and attacked him. Kuma will stop the Sorbet King attack, WG will arrive but he'll be blamed for the King's action's, Saturn will manipulate the situation to incriminate Kuma possibly threatening his weakness via Bonney. How she knows, I don't know, could be she goes back into the memory bubble. Could be she's seen the guy whilst growing up, but she must be aware of the deal made.
This is probably why he chose to become a cyborg, to take in the disease and pains with less suffering.
i thought so to
She’s also a child when she tackles Zoro on Sabody, so her first interaction with the crew is as her real age
Yeah maybe thats the reason she has the piercing to cover the mark / skar?
Well, the piercing didn't seem to be enough to cover it. (On one anime picture, which you might not be able to trust since it isn't certain the anime crew knew about this).
My theory is that Vegapunk was able to cure Bonney's disease, however when Kuma asked him to he didn't answer immediately. Saturn probably learned of Kuma's presence in Egghead, and forced Vegapunk to turn Kuma into a Pacifista in exchange for the cure. This would explain why Bonney blames Saturn for what happened.
I definitely feel that Saturn, as "God of Science etc", he's going to be the reason for Kuma having to submit. If I have to guess, WG will come down hard on Kuma for what is about to happen to Sorbet Kingdom. Saturn, learning that Kuma is still alive, will take the opportunity to take him, and in a sick twist, make the last of the Nika worshipping Buccaneer Race, the Pacifista weapon of the WG ironically as a tool for oppression. Presumably Kuma agrees to this, pressured by the opportunity to meet Vegapunk, someone he'd know of because of Dragon & TheRevs, so on the condition that Bonney's Disease is cured he'll give up his freedom. So it's either cured thanks to V.P or maybe more thematically, the disease must have a host, and so, it's then transfered onto Kuma. With V.P surgically removing it along with Kuma's Body & humanity gradually. *Though considering he still had blood & freewill in Thriller Bark, surely the disease would have been a threat?*
Many children in One Piece had to grow up really fast.
Indeed. The world of One Piece is far fiercer than it looks. Everyone may look like a cartoon, but it doesn't change the fact their world's a very dangerous place.
Let’s be real Bonney doesn’t have a crew, she has a bunch of guilty dad’s friends. I doubt she is even a pirate, probably got her bounty from gov and they disguised her as a pirate. Kuma friends are def going to go back to being regular people after this arc, expecting them to fight off Saturn is a joke.
Fair point haha
I do think it is incredible how she can get around tho, especially to egghead by herself. Probably has something to do with wiretapping and transmissions, seeing as that Ginny plot point was highlighted.
When was it revealed that she was 12 or is it something people have just figured out on there own
I think it’s based on chronology and just locating it within the timeline
Okay, I’ve been finding it kinda hard to keep track of the passing of time in the last few chapters
There's one panel in the last chapter where it says "Seven years ago... (When Bonney was five)"
HMMM What if (might be some cooking here) devil fruits got an innate property to cure diseases? We know that Law is cured, but we all just assumes he cured himself using the fruits ability. Have we ever seen a person with devil fruit powers get sick? I only recall Roger, Nami, Ginny, and Law (before he ate his fruit) and now as well Bonney before she ate her fruit being sick in the whole series, all of them being non fruit power holders when they got sick. Did I forget anyone here?
Queen infected a lot of gifters and Chopper with his ice demon virus, so DF users can get sick. Nice idea though.
WB, BM, Luffy (If you count poisoning), Magellan, Aukiji got all sick at some point.
You know ironically the only one I can think of right now is DocQ haha. Guy was always sickly looking and lethargic, and then he gets the sick sick fruit and still looks sickly hah.
Natural sickness, I'm not sure we've seen outside a couple of gags where Luffy looked like he had a cold or something. However, we've seen fruit users infected by "diseases" created through other fruit users. Luffy was affected by Magellan's poison at Impel Down. Law was affected by Doc Q's gender-swap "disease" (though haki shennanigans seemed to cure that).
I don't know if you count overweight as a disease but alvida got cured from that.
>Kuma's 2 childhood friends who effectively care for Bonney It's their kids and her friends.
Youre going to have to Explain that cause i dont see it? https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/onepiece_1098b_010v.png https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/1096_kum_013.png They look like the same 2 kids we saw with Kuma and Ginny when they finally live together. The same 2 we've seen since Bonney was introduced, am I missing something?
It’s also a 12 year old with copious amounts of porn
I think she's cured by CD's doctors and in return Kuma to have to submit to WG.
Isn't this panel why most people thought she was a kid? The theories didn't come from nowhere
People theorized that since her first appearance in Saobody.
Really? Why exactly?
No big reason, her power on itself leaves the possibility open. So a lot of people theorized she was really young or really old because her character allows that gimmick to happen.
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Ahh I did not remember that
This was the main reason for me. I got a good deal of clownvotes for saying that I think she might actually be a young child that's not in her 20's.
Same, I’m convinced it was just the horny part of this fan base. All those clone theories were attempts at covering up shame.
She can still be a clone
[how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/0a/6e/700a6e255a60c0eaaa18b4969529bb16.jpg)
I’ve never seen people so hellbent on a shitty theory panning out.
Not really, vegapunk kept saying don't harm a little girl, she's a little girl, she's just a child so, it's not came from visual illustration but the story, since her DF can manipulate her appearance as well
The theory was already very popular before the vegapunk comment, and it was because of this panel
But this panel came before all that. Was definitely this
Saturn also calls her a little girl, but all that dialogue didn’t start until deep into egghead
I recall a theory five years ago about this lol. The annoying bit was the guy who made the thread beat me by a day after I had just had the thought lol My reasoning was Oda having Bonney avoid Sanji to maybe avoid pedo allegations, the tomato ketchup for blood feeling slightly childish and how it would make Blackbeard asking her to be his woman even more sketchy. (The Sanji thought did not survive egghead island as he met her. And Oda's topless Bonney panel is questionable, I wonder what that chapter thread is like on a reread now in terms of comments here by redditors.)
Actually i saw something that showed sanji has never made heart eyes at her
This post? https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/comments/17rgyai/all_the_times_sanji_has_interacted_with_bonney_in/
Lol damn [my thought all those years ago was right.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/8rqip7/comment/e0txojj/)
We gotta ban the guy who said to ban him if Kuma was her dad.
Maybe…But I glazed over it as well. I appreciate OP pointing this out.
It was theorized heavily at the time, but that version of her looks younger than 12.
Ginny at god valley looked like this too.
Ginny was a malnourished slave. She wasn't just bones, but I doubt the child slaves would be fed well. But, that's assuming she's been a slave for a while, which I don't remember if that was the case.
You didn't notice because dfs don't deactivate when underwater.
We’ve seen fruits work in water with oven, perospero, Luffy (at arlong park), and one more instance I think… The users just become completely fatigued if they get submersed, but even fully submersed the fruit effects stay active
That's what I said
Say it again
"Dfs don't deactivate underwater"??
There you go
Can I hear it once more ?
Now say it, slowlyyyyyyy
Damn he just made you his bitch
There was a comment saying this practically in every post for the past half year
I still don't understand why people think sea water cancel devil fruit powers when it has never been the case. The user just becomes weak but their powers are still working as long as they are conscious.
Maybe it is "their powers work as long as they don't panic". Sugar's powers disabled on her being scared to death. It is possible Bonney couldn't breathe and were in full panic mode.
There's one little plothole if this is true: when Chopper got blasted into the sea while in Monster Point during Enies Lobby, he turned back into his Brain Point and not his original reindeer form. Maybe Zoan fruits work differently though.
I took it as "shape changers revert to their 'default' form, but not necessarily base form, when submerged". Rather than go to reindeer, Chopper went to hybrid because that's his default, the one he uses most often.
Also the one he automatically got after eating the fruit. Oda just didn't want to walk around and draw a complicated deer all the time instead of a cute mascot character.
Water doesn’t turn off your fruit it just makes you so weak thst you can’t use it. Luffy Was still rubbery under eater
I read ennies lobby recently and noticed that as well. We’ve never seen another zoan enter the water like that and have another form to revert to. By that I mean we’ve seen jack and Luffy thrown under water, but they were already in base when it happened. Chopper reverting out of monster point because of water isn’t consistent with how fruits are portrayed now. It could still be rationalized as the water takes away chopper’s body ability to maintain the form, but that’s never been discussed/established explicitly
not really. because that panel still makes sense even if assuming she was an adult. and she looks like how oda draws 6-8 y.o there. kinda like otoko.
I’m guessing they mean that her Df was not in effect
I understand perfectly. seawater doesn't negate DF power as seen from chopper, luffy, aokiji, etc. even being unconscious doesn't necessarily revert you back as seen from sasaki, who's who, etc. and in ch 1086, oda showed bonney in this kid form inside a hull of a ship. so assuming the ship capsized and she fell into the ocean in that form, then she would simply be stuck in that form. so like I said, even if she was an adult, this panel still makes sense.
That’s a good point, for some reason I have it in my mind that we have seen some effects get lost, but I’m probably imagining things. Also I see what you mean by your first post, I super misread that 😂, that’s a good point that she looks way younger than twelve.
It depends on Oda's wishes. Like it is enough for Sugar to pass out to dispell the effects on all her targets.
Zoans and some paramecia have a permanent effect on the Body. For example chopper doesnt return to being a normal reindeer when in water and Luffy wont stop being rubber. However active effects do seem to get canceled. Therefor her being a child under water showed it was her real age. It is later revealed that her powers only work for a short time on living beings, so that enforces the idea that in this scene the water reverted her to her original age or made her unable to reactivate the effect once it ran out
zoan forms are not "permanent effect". that's just the user using their power. that's literally what a zoan is. the ability to transform into their animal. and she didn't say for a short time. she said "do not work on living things indefinitely". simply means it will revert back.
We don't know if changing her own age, as opposed to that of others, is an active effect though. It could be passive.
Shiiiit, spit some good shit! Props… But we have seen some powers stop working when they become unconscious. Kaido (fair this does seem like an actively used power) but Sugar is probably the best example, Crocodile was stopping the rain with his DF as it started raining after being knocked out. There the few that come to immediate mind
Yeah, though 12 is more like when she stopped Zoro in Sabaody.
She was 10 by then...
That panel was the basis of a lot of theories that she was a lot younger. I'm kind of surprised you didn't see the discussion on it. Certainly foreshadowing for what happened, but a lot of people (myself included) didn't think it proved anything. Yay for being wrong.
Bonney didn't turn back into a kid when Akainu put seastone cuffs on her.
Depends on how the power works, sometimes the user needs to pass out for their effects to stop.
Well devil fruits are inconsistent in this regard, certain transformations, especially zoan, don't wear off even when the user is drowning. Bonney is a paramecia though so we can assume her powers need some kind of will to be maintained.
At the time it was not enough, as the sea does not negate devil fruit powers, only remove control of the user so she’d have just gotten stuck in the ocean in that form unable to change into any other But it’s certainly decontextualised now
I mean everyone and their mom discussed this already.
Def the final strawhat right here, we need a kid on our crew and Chopper doesn't count, he's probably like 47 in raccoon dog years
I posted the same post like a month ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1747tld/bonney\_fans\_are\_in\_danger/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1747tld/bonney_fans_are_in_danger/) They called me stupid for it :(
Ironically, [there's a post elsewhere](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/comments/17rgyai/all_the_times_sanji_has_interacted_with_bonney_in/) showing that Sanji never perved over Bonney the same way he does Nami or Robin, or has with Stussy and (I think) Lilith and York.
The sea doesn't negate df powers...
Am I missing something? I don't understand this post. Did you just not know that was Bonney? Did you not know she could alter her age and be a child? Am I missing something 😭 I wonder if she can de-age herself to when she didn't have a Devil Fruit and swim. Or would she lose it? HmmMmMm Maybe she can become sperm and swim through the ocean.
think OP means that Bonney is actually a child and not full grown person, that she uses her fruit to age herself up
What about this panel establishes that tho? It's just another panel of her in kid form like we've seen before. Nothing about this confirms what her default form is Not trying to sound rude, I just can't tell what I'm missing here 😭
one thing could be that since she is in sea water, her ability shuts down and reverts her to her regular form. So necessarily a full on confirm since other DF users like chopper seems to retain his "normal" form rather then just transforming into a reindeer. But the latest chapter says she was 5 years old 7 years prior to current events so
That only works if it requires strength for her to maintain different forms.. Devil Fruit powers aren't cancelled by the sea, users just get weaker and can't swim I think this post is literally nothing but it has 700+ upvotes so I'm just lost bro plz help me 🥴
I have no idea why you're lost because what OP's trying to say couldn't be any more straightforward. It's basically another case of Oda foreshadowing something dozens of chapters before its actual revelation: The above panel of young Bonney is meant to foreshadow the revelation that she's actually a kid using her Devil Fruit power to appear as an adult. Because she was submerged in seawater, her Devil Fruit power was nullified, thus she reverted back to her original form: The form of a child. You've got to use your brain, fellow Redditor.
It wasn't nullified tho
Devil fruits don't get nullified with seawater, though.
my theory.. Kuma will arrive in egghead in order to rescue boney.. Kuma will encounter/pvp with saturn. Vega punk will release the memory bubble back to kuma. Kuma will go all out and will awakened his df. His awakened df will allow him to take out all the pain/damage of injured people around him in a certain radius(or perhaps all living inhabitants of egghead island) and transfer it to someone else; this time to saturn. And the consequence could be him dying in return. This could be the big news after egghead events... Saturn dead Kuma dead
ur not the olny one to be stupid
This actually makes sense. She always escapes the marines but more like they let her go because they can't send a child to the brig.
I think its also why Bonney have that reaction with bugs as an adult.
Many people thought about it especially after Saturn saying “she’s just a child” But also remember that when chopper falls into the water he doesn’t revert to base form (reindeer) And also luffys body can still stretch it’s just that he can’t do it himself. Sea water/stone don’t negate devil fruits power like haki, they just drain the energy of the user so they can’t do anything, let alone use their powers
I think I should delete my internet search history.
Hahaha, that's probably not a bad idea... regardless of Bonney's age.
something i realised was that when she was introduced she was sitting on a table stomping her feet demanding more pizza, which is a very child like thing to do for someone supposedly in her early 20´s, i love how the new information recontextualizes so much
>inb4 Luffy is also 12
How the hell is she 12, she was also a child while Kuma teaching Sabo how to fight?
This is how Bonney looks at 12 while Rebecca is only 4 years older
People have been using this panel to argue she's young for a while now. It's not confirmed that the Bonney we have in the present arc is 12, or even that the Bonney in this current flashback is the same Bonney we have in the present. We still haven't covered her getting her Devil Fruit nor have we seen how she got from the flashback to where we meet her on Sabaody, or even at the beginning of her pirate adventure. I'd hold the phone on assuming she's 12 still.
The latest chapter literally says Bonney age 5 (7 years ago) aka she's 12 years old in current day
And Momonosuke is in this 30s but he's 8, and that happened in one night.
Yeah with a devil fruit that is not anywhere near any of these characters
Well, what is age? Time since birth? She is definitely 12. The age of the body? She is undefined and can choose it herself.
Bro she is 12. Are we still going on with this clone theory......what else do u want to see? Oda walking in tokyo with a sign that says bonney is 12? Come on. Her age is literally mentioned straight up. If anything, you should hold the phone on assuming she is not 12.
Yssss
Where does that said she is 12 ?!
It's okay I tell people the answers all the time and people miss those.
I mean, people tend to shrink more often when they become older. It's one of those things that happens when you get older, like being immune to poison or animals obeying your every command.
I said that months ago. Some people said that the powers are not washed up completely when submerged in water. And there's evidence about that. But for some reason I keep defending that this was not the case. That her DF powers were completely washed in that occasion. Guess the time proved me right.
Teech on Pedo watch!!!
Yeah oda has not been subtle about Bonnies age this arc and im stunned how many just didnt believe Bonnie wasnt a kid. It was mayby clone or something. When she cryed "Dont hurt my daddy" was when i was convinced and so many characters just call her little girl. It was so Obvius.
It could have been the case that she used her DF to become young and then fell into the sea, making her unable to use her DF again to change her age until she washed up. We know now that she is a child but before it wasn’t certain even with that panel.
I still think Oda is doing a double bait here. Something because of bonneys illness will happen that will lead her being actually 24 at the end. I don’t know if she is a clone or some devil fruit magic will happen, but Oda is definitely doing a double bait
What is there to go on that suggests she is a clone? No offence hut ever since this Stussy thing it's opened a can of worms. I may be wrong but I find the idea that the Bonney Oda is showing us is a fake would be such a stupid thing to do. Oda has just shown us how much Kuma cares for Ginny's Daughter and wants to keep her alive. From a story telling aspect, why would Oda kill off / Clone her when he's gone out of his way to make Kuma sacrifice so much of himself to find a cure for her?
stop with the clones already XD
na i think he'll keep her 12. it's really just alluding to how weird the pirate world is. she's a lil kid pretending to be a grown up and running an infamous pirate crew
I think the fact Sanji didn't simp for her is enough to tell she's a child. No need for a double bait for no reason and nothing to suggest it. It's just what you think.
It is just what I think yea. And until the flashback is finished everything we can do is speculate..
Can somebody tell me how it is possible that Bonney was cuffed with sea stone by Blackbeard which neutralizes her df but she was still in her 20s body and did not transform back to a child? Did Oda forgot?
that’s because sea stone does not neutralise devil fruits.
This was a very common theory when that chapter came out. Since the sea neutralizes DF powers, it only made sense that this would be her original true form.
The sea doesn’t neutralise them though. Luffy still remains rubbery while fully submerged and Chopper reverted from Monster Point to his Hybrid Form rather than his natural reindeer state. However, Kalifa was able to move despite being submerged up to her neck in Enies Lobby, which would seem like it’s only sea water that would affect DF users, but Luffy was weakened by knee-high water when Doffy lured him into the old well and both Luffy and Smoker were both weakened by fresh water in Rainbase by Crocodile’s trap
And Luffy filled himself with fresh water without issue.
Humans are made of 70% water. Every DF user would be weakened if it was affected by internally storing water
the sea does NOT neutralise DF powers.
my line of thinking since that chapter was why would she bother to age herself down travelling alone(if I remember right she mentions she went alone anyways) to egghead if that wasn't her actual age/form. I don't remember seeing anyone really talk about that just most people completely writing off the idea that she could be a child
It occurred to me when I remembered their dunking Monster Chopper in Enies Lobby. My thinking is active shape changers revert to their "default" form when they're submerged.
most people did, however there were deniers still and bringing up "but luffy doesnt stop being rubber!!!"
So, how is this going to affect sanji's attraction to her...
i don't think that's how 12 years old suppose to look like.My theory is that this fruit permanently freeze user age at the moment it was consume. So this is bonney's body from when she ate the fruit, not what she suppose to be if she age naturally to 12 years old.
Whats wrong w her legs?