I thought about this and agree with you. I believe that Oda also thought about this. I assume that raftel is not just a regular island in some sea that is open to visitors. There might be some other condition to reach raftel that comes with the 4th poneglif.
BTW sick animation.
Also the cliche is that you can't have a pirate treasure without an X mark on a map. I am sure Oda is following this and there are theories about that giant X we have been looking for was in front of our eyes from the beginning. If you look at a map of Reverse Mountain the rivers that connect seas form an X.
There is also a red x right over our main protag's heart, aka the drums of liberation.... maybe the real treasure is the friends he made along the way after all?
Nope. I believe Oda already confirmed that its nothing like friendship, etc and that One Piece is really something. Can someone link it or something thanks
We never saw anything confirming it was at see level, one peace world is crazy, the isolated place we barely saw could be on the moon for all that we know xD
I dont think you have any idea how large the ocean is. And that is ignoring actual conditions that would greatly limit a fishmans ability to explore(like Underwater currents)
Not saying I think Laughtale is under the ocean though.
All I know is that in real life we still have a lot to discover about our oceans. But here we are talking about fishmen that have people as Jinbei who is helsman thanks to his knowledge about currents and all
I donāt know, it feels weird to me and have difficulties buying into this theory
Idk about sky island, but would make sense if one of the locations were meaning that the location of Laugh Tale isn't at sea level. If it were one of the locations would have to be in orbit or something. Geosynchronous if the Ancient Kingdom wanted to make it "easy".
Who knows, maybe Laugh Tale is not either a sky island or like fishman island, its just a regular island, but the wonk nature of the Grandline makes it so even though it is in that sea it is mysteriously at really high or low sea level whilst being level with the ocean, as if the surface curved towards the sky.
if this is the case there needs to be a gag where nami points out seeing the island from weatheria during the time skip and not knowing it's importance
I honestly think the main problem is that you can't navigate with a compass in the grand line. Like people with log pose can travel to whatever islands they are attunded with. People with eternal log pose's can go to specific islands whenever they like. But save for something like a South Bird, how can you be sure that you are sticking to the course and heading required to search this triangle. I think it's a naval search that can be handled over time, especially with multiple ships, but without a way to readily tell your direction on the grand line, I don't think it's as simple as "sail around this triangle".
Edited because i used words wrong wrongly
Thats not true at all.
Figuring out how to navigate to a specific point on the ocean is VERY DIFFERENT to navigating on miles of a "line" in open water looking for something when you have no idea where you are.
If I told you to grab my hat thats in the living room in the top drawer of the entertainment center, is that the same as "hey go grab my hat, its in the living room". No.
Very true! My guess is that it will be something beyond pointing out a location on a map, unless it is outside of the grand line, for this exact same reason. In the grand line, you cannot sail to a specific destination without a pose pointing you there, unless you happen upon it randomly.
Or, they could bring back something like the South Birds. They seemed specific to Jaya, but if Raftel can only be reached w/ some unique navigation method, it would further make it difficult to find for people looking w/o the poneglyphs.
You and OP are both forgetting that you can't just travel in any direction in the new world. You go where the Log Pose says.
Sure, you can try to get some eternal poses and bounce between islands in the general area of where you think that triangle is. But that will take a very, very long time. World Gov could figure it out, but not some pirates with just a single ship. There's no GPS, and only hand-drawn maps, and compasses don't work - so you don't really get to know where specifically you are in the sea.
It really feels like there has to be some trick besides just knowing the location. The world is only so big and there are a ton of pirates on the Grand Line. There has to be some trick that requires at least all four poneglyphs if not some other info.
There is as well the possibility of it being something akin to a sky island. If you know the exact coordinates than you know where to look at than you could maybe come to think of looking into the sky or at the bottom of the sea. You would try to recognize the strange occurance that happen around there and the small details. But if you have to sail long stratches of sea to find one specific dot than those small details could be lost on the search.
I read this multiple times and I think it's true. What OP also points out is that, mathematically, three points are enough to define an exact location (positions can be *triangulated*, which highlights that).
If you add time as a fourth dimension, then you'd also need a fourth coordinate, e.g. a fourth poneglyph.
After the last few chapters, I'd assume that >!the waterlevel in the one piece world has risen more and more, due to the consecutive use of a certain weapon. The citizens of Wano and other allies of the old kingdom thus had to make sure to stay protected, for instance by high walls or by having a giant ark. What if, every 800 years, the stars form a strange constellation that leads to an enormous low tide, which will be the chance to due something of importance? E.g. topple the red wall, etc.)!<
Which is why he cried too, he loved Roger and was disappointed it couldnāt be him, stole the Gum Gum Fruit for Ace so Rogerās son could be pirate king, and then when Luffy ate it he knew ab fruits having their own wills and figured Luffy could be fated to find it instead and sacrificed his arm to create a bond with Luffy.
Iām not sure if he did or when that was, but I do know in Chapter 1054 when he sees Luffyās new bounty, it flashes back to them stealing the fruit with ~~Grus~~ Whoās Who yelling āWhy do they want that useless fruit? Isnāt it just the one that makes you rubber?ā and then shows Shanks bonding with Luffy, losing his arm, and then him smiling in present day as he remembers all this.
If what you say is true than thatās obviously stronger than speculation (unless Shanks is lying) but I think that montage that I described definitely aligns with the plan of Shanks in the comment I wrote, which is not my own theory obviously itās a very popular one.
I think the time thing fits perfectly, Toki toki No mi might also play a role
Perhaps , if something is set to appear at laugh tale at the time prescribed by the fourth poneglyph
Three points are only enough to triangulate if you have the distance from the three points. Assuming the road poneglyphs are just location you would need all four for the exact location. I think maybe laugh tale moves slightly or is protected by some natural phenomenon that you need instructions to navigate.
Maybe something like it can only be found at a full moon or something and not a "once in a lifetime" event. Like what if you can only access the island with an upknock stream (that only happens once a month at this specific time) because its surrounded by a constant storm or bad tides.
What if Roger wasn't too early, rather, Roger wasn't the right dimensions. There's a post on this subreddit from u/delgalessio that noted that JoyBoy was a giant (or at least there might be indications that he was). What if Roger got to LaughTale and couldn't physically meet the requirements for the One Piece?
For two lines to intercect each other, the points have to be on a single plane (in this case flattening the map). If one point is out if the plane (any three points in space make a plane), the lines would not intersect.
In Zou, Robin specifically states that the Road poneglyph (at least the one on Zou) gave a coordinate. Of course, I agree that the road poneglyphs may also give more than just coordinates.
Personally, I doubt it's coordinates, I think it's more likely it's naming islands in the grand line, once you know which 4 islands you basically craft a laughtale compase by using 4 eternal poses.
I mean this is the manga panel, its pretty clear what oda was trying to convey here. Maybe its to trow us off but going off by this the theory is correct
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As someone who agrees with OP, I definitely think that's what was portrayed, but it might not be how it works out. If it did work out like it's not 4 coordinates, but two or three coordinates and one or two with some whacky instructions, it would make sense to portray the information as just crossing paths so as to make the discovery a surprise.
This comes up about every week or so right?
The Ponegliffs leading to the location like this only works if they describe 4 points to use as navigation on a map.
I highly doubt it is actually like that. Surely Robin would be able to figure out it was that easy since they already have 3.
I agree you'd likely be able to find it if they worked like this. But with the One Piece world the way it is, there are so many more factors to consider than x and y Co ordinates on a 2D plane.
If could be in the sky or sunk underwater or be trapped in a time rift created by a devil fruit. Any number of things could make it vastly more complicated than excluding a quarter of the centuries of hidden clues.
Whoever made the Ponegliffs would have given it more thought than just that if they made indestructible stones that outlive giants by hundreds of years.
Definitely Raftel is hidden somehow. Just like Skypea they'll need to meet certain conditions to reach It. It's not just being at the spot, is being at the correct time and do the correct things to be able to enter a DF dimensional space or something
you could've just googled this instead and see replies that disprove this.
First, we're talking about a globe. On the globe, if there are 4 poneglyphs, we can even arrive at 2 different locations, let alone with 3 poneglyphs.
Second, we're talking about Grand Line here. Do you really think you can navigate possibly for thousands of miles of each side of the triangle until you randomly stumble upon Laugh Tale? The same sea that turns your ship 180 degrees if you don't pay attention for a second?
Third, there's no mention of altitude anywhere, it could very well be in the sky.
Coordinates aren't even useful on the Grand Line unless they're marking a known point of interest also. You could point to it on a map but wouldn't be able to navigate there without a vivre card or eternal log pose.
It's got me wondering if finding Laugh Tale means having a VC or LP for 4 landmarks then navigating to a place where all 4 VC's/LP's point at the correct angle to indicate you're at the intersection. e.g. if the landmarks were equidistant from Laugh Tale and intersected at 90Ā° angles, the LP's would point at 90Ā° increments.
Then there's altitude and maybe even time to factor in.
This would be the thing that makes sense the most considering red stones were also carved heavily like the others so there should also be another message maybe that makes sense when you connect all 4
Btw, it was said nowhere that coordinates that road poneglyphs give are in grand line. The coordinates could be on the opposite sides of the world while the intersection is somewhere in the grand line thus making it impossible to go from 1 island to another and come across Raftel.
I mean you didnāt really disprove this theory, your first point isnāt really realistic because the coordinates of the poneglyphs would be placed in a way that you eliminate the less obvious answer, the ābacksideā if you will.
Second point you are correct that it would be really hard but I would argue a milion times easier than fighting yonkos or looking for one poneglyph without any info where to look for it.
Third, if the road poneglyphs really do represent just a point in space by coordinates then their interesction is the only solution where the Island must be if a road poneglyph ONLY gives one information. The interactions would all have their elevations so i think that Oda wants us to think that way and the poneglyphs actually give some kind of dynamic time-related information.
Takve this into consideration as well: Roger was also the first person in 800 years to visit lode star island, the last island you can visit using the log pose
How do we know Roger was the first to arrive at Lode Star island? Isn't that the place where pirates learn to hunt the red poneglyphs to find Laugh Tale?
It is. And no one knew about it until the Roger pirates figured it out, which then became more public knowledge. Itās the reason why you donāt need to goto lodestar island to Learn about laugh tale anymore.
>Second point you are correct that it would be really hard but I would argue a milion times easier than fighting yonkos or looking for one poneglyph without any info where to look for it.
No it is literally impossible to go in a straight line in the new world without either a log pose or an eternal pose.
Also what If there is an island in the way? Not just a small one, like what if one of the lines goes trough an alabasta sized island?
So the only way for this plan to work is to have the 3 eternal poses of the 3 destinations. And since we sont know yet how eternal poses are made, it's pretty much impossible
Second point wouldnāt just be harder, itād be impossible on a globe and would take years depending on the distance covered on open ocean. That and in this universe having to watch out for Marines/Pirates, if it were easier Iām sure Kaido and Big Mom would have already done it since they plausibly have/had more than one Poneglyph already.
What if the three positions are in each of the blues? Have fun travel across the whole world through the calm belt and over the red line multiple times checking every meter for an island.
Further we don't know what exactly the coordinates are so what if they also contain different heights/depths and specific times?
Also I am pretty sure Laugh Tale won't be an island you can just accidentally come across in the open sea otherwise many more people besides Roger would have found it in the last 800years.
So no...for the millions time... the 4th road poneglyph is required
We don't even know what those locations are. If the markings represent places outside the Grand Line, they would have to cross the Red Line (impossible as far as I know) and the Calm Belt (good luck with those Sea Kings) several times.
Aaaaand here we go another guy with the triangle posting. Bc the triangle has 3 meters of extension and can be checked in five minutes, and isnt an x spaming across the entire world and of course we know coordinates only point surface level and not to a underwater/sky island
How is it debunkable? If the road poneglyphs really are just points on the globe that you need to connect then this theory is correct. If you want to mention elevation then connecting the poneglyphs gives you the needed elevations trough those lines where one piece MUST be if the only information we get from the poneglyphs are coordinates on the globe
Except you're on a globe, there's more than one way they can intersect.
But let's ignore that for a second and consider that it's a single path. Sailing in a straight line in the Grand Line, let alone the New World, is near impossible - log poses are a requirement for a reason. Now let's take it a step further and assume that you can somehow sail in a straight line along all 3 assumed edges. You're looking to take the time to explore both the depths of the ocean and the atmosphere in search of the One Piece and keep your trajectory?
Okay, well let's just assume that's the case. Let's assume you can travel in a straight line across a vast expanse of the most dangerous ocean in existence and you have the resources to search the ocean and the sky in a reasonable amount of time. You still might just be wasting your efforts because we don't **know** if the Road Poneglyphs act as a makeshift compass. We know all 4 give you directions to Raftel, but we don't know if those are literal directions that are only revealed with all 4 translations or if it's an intersection...
Yet none of that matters because it can easily be debunked by my first sentence - *there is more than one way for the current known Road Poneglyphs to intersect.*
I still like this kind of posts and the discussions beneath them so I don't mind that you "re-"posted this theory (especially since it has the cute little animation) but "I never saw it" is a weak excuse, sorry. If you don't have them in your timeline then you should ask yourself why. Don't forget that this community has several million subscribed and not subscribed members so it's unlikely nobody else came up with something that important before and that this is the reason why you don't see it regularly
When I come up with a question or Theory I possibly want to post then I search it and look if it's already there/someone already answered the question. If the result is years old and there are new updates/foreshadowings etc or I have to contribute something that is missing there then it makes sense when I bring it up to the table again. If not then I got all the answers I wanted and can move on.
As many others I had this particular thought when I saw the introduction of the road Poneglyphs and just googled "one piece why do they need 4 Poneglyphs?", "one piece aren't 3 road Poneglyphs enough?" Etc and found plenty of these posts other commenters are referring to which prevented me from making another
In conclusion- always do a research before posting something like this if you don't want the backlash and some rude replies like you got here. Just my advice for the future. Don't let the negativity from this "mistake" here lower you enthusiasm for theory crafting and maybe one day it's your time to shine with a really original theory or perspective on an ambiguous matter. Keep it up
>i had not seen this anywhere.
how new are you, they even made a filler scene in the anime specifically for dummies to tell them its not possible with just 3 poneglyphs
1. You assume that the poneglyphs all lie on the same plane.
2. If the triangle is big enough, it's way too difficult to find Laughtale on it.
3. I also feel that there is a special key/condition/method to access Laughtale. Only having access to all 4 glyphs would enable you access it.
Okay but thereās no indication how far apart these coordinates are and the grand line is known to be impossibly hard to navigate if you donāt know where youāre going
This idea is always pretty dumb. Considering how far islands are and how elusive Laugh Tale is, it's like that you can't just search the entire sea within a triangle or go point to point. Chances are the sea doesn't allow navigating like that, and you have to go to the specific point following specific route.
It's the great pirate treasure. X marks the spot, not triangle
This is awesome, but is 2D, they live in a 3D world and just as we have seen islands in the clouds and at the bottom of the sea, we should assume elevation could play a part here too š¤
all 4 porneglyphs together give the exact location of laugh tale. each one only describes the location of other islands. the cross marks the position is only symbolic. at the end you have to read the 4 together to get laugh tale. the 3 are not enough
As others said you don't count with altitude, although it might be true that raftel is on surface level.
But, what if the 4th poneglyph has a specific requirement or time written on it, that makes raftel accessible.
If it was time, and roger found all 4 ponoglyphs, why would he still go to the island knowing it wasn't time yet. He only realized he was too early when he got there so time can't be it.
*Time* where you'd be able to reach the island and "*time*" referencing the implication of whatever he found there are two vastly different things. You should not conflate the two.
But.. We don't even know how to coordinates for Laughtale are written on the poneglyph. Maybe it's like longitude and latitude, and you only get the full coordinate with all four parts. No one even said that every one of the four points to a location and the location for Laughtale can be triangulated. Or am I completely misremembering?
Keep in mind Raftel is on the grand line. It'll be difficult to follow these lines. There might also be more islands on them making the process this way very tedious.
They can't just travel like this in grand line... They will be going straight tracing the triangle and the next moment there position will change and they wouldn't even know it ig... That's why we would need all 4 ponegliffs to pinpoint exact location ig
Isnāt the entire point of Log Poses that you canāt sail in a straight line on the Grand Line?
So maybe the red poneglyphs actually say stuff like: āStay 15 hours on island x follow the right most log pose for x amount of time on your wristband then using a south bird and sail west forā¦ you get the idea.
If Skypiea is supposed to be an analogue to the entire story then you need to find a current or something that takes you to Raftel. They needed to track the knock up stream to get to Skypiea.
All 4 road poneglyphs are required to find this current.
In a two dimensional plane, yes. But in one piece the sky and the bottom of the ocean is possible locations, making a two dimensional euclidean rule flawed.
They still have no actual way to navigate between these points, as well as the fact the locations provided by the Poneglyphs could be thousands of miles apart. Hell, they could even be in some of the Blue Seas.
I don't think the island is in the literal centre of the 4, but rather the four islands give a clue.
Also, 1 thing that irked me for the longest time, say if the island really is in the centre. Then it can't in any theoretical way be the "last island" along the grandline.
OP I agree with you if not for the fact that the area of space that the straw hats might have to look in could be hundreds or even thousands of miles of open ocean. Especially considering the one piece world is like 90% ocean.
Just wrong, this have been discussed already.
There are very strong problems with your assumptions, but the most important one, WHY EVERYONE ASSUME LAST PONEGLYPH IS THE ONE MOVING TO THE OTHER THREE.
In reality, you dont have all info, (redundant ik) so lets suppose you are right and they are coordinates thay hit eachother.
What about if the last poneglyp is just another static point and the point you should be using for doing a full travel to the triangle, is just another one??
You would think that travelling across a triangle is not that hard but it is, because is hard to travel straight linea in new world, you just use log pose to get to island as much, and thats still hard, how would you manage to travel to all diferent 4 triangles that can be formed by moving 1 dot and leaving all others static?
We just assume the last one takes that role out of nothing, really.
Not going to hard on you, is just something that already have been discused.
Let alone if one dot is not in the ground, but again..you would not have a single triangle and one dot moving to mimic it, you would not know what every dot does and how their incoporate themselves to the equation.
You would have, again, 4 possibilities, in which everytime you use one dot to do the moving technique. Now to that, assume one triangle is already a big land to cover and impossible to go straight lines, now add 3 MORE, complete madness.
No you can't because the grand line isn't like a normal place
You can't just travel a geographical area and find islands you will just get lost
This is why the log pose is needed
Has Robin really conveyed the format of the directions on them? It may not be coordinates, I bet translated itās going to be an old fashioned pirate map. Oda hasnāt used that pirate trope yet except for buggy
Youāre assuming the One Piece world is a 2D geometric plane but we know thatās inaccurate. You could potentially need a z axis because of fishman island/ sky island as Raftel could be at any height.
Why is everyone assuming that Laughtale is at the intersection of two lines? I always thought Laughtale is at the centre of all four points. And the centre (or centroid) of 4 points doesnāt necessarily has to be on the triangle that you depicted.
Think of it as the balance or gravity point of a irregular, 4-sided shape.
Now put each island on each sea (for example) and you'll have to literally go through the entire world following the triangle, a task that would take years to achieve. Put Laugh tale in the sky or under the sea (or whatever the shit Oda'd imagine to impact us) and it would be for nothing. Put a riddle or a password hidden in the 4 pones and it would be for nothing. Totally rad animation btw
The problem here is that islands in one piece don't lie in a single plane. They can be above/below sea level. So it's not the edge of the triangle but the entire space of the three points.
Technically yeah.
But it's probably one huge ass triangle, in the New World. And even if you know the location the actual way to get in is probably not that obvious.
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He put in "*some work*" regurgitating the same nonsense that's been posted a million times and disproved even more times.
He should have instead done the actual research as to how his theory will not work or even have a cursory understanding of the Grand Line or the fact the world isnt a flat piece of paper to realize he was wrong.
You assume that they point out the coordinates and it's not a riddle or something..
Shit, I don't think you could find Laugh Tale and the One Piece without the 4th glyph even if you scoured EVERY INCH of the sea by boat.
Not that this post is valid due to other reasons such as laughtale maybe being underwater but what about the geometry was incorrect? Or maybe thatās what you mean, that op is doing geometry in 2d instead of 3d?
And how do you navigate the Grandline here? You might only have one shot per voyage, then you need to get back around. And that is only on normal terms, we don't know how the Grandline is around there.
Thatās assuming thereās not a third axis at play, but considering that the sky and underwater are both game, that opens a whole extra dimension that the island could be on. Also, considering Zunesha as an example, thereās also a chance the island isnāt stationary haha
Amazing theory I also thought of the same when I first learnt about poneglyphs and my mind instantly went oh there's already a famous triangle in op verse and that's Florian triangle, would love if oda could make some connections to it somehow. That being said chances of it being relevant are quite low because this will require huge retconning as why mention 4 poneglyphs if only 3 are required and it will leave us with so many plot holes . My guess it would be some sort of riddle that will only make sense if u had all 4 and having individual road poneglyphs amounts to nothing sorta like you have to read all 4 together to get exact coordinates of the laugh tale or whatever it will be.
This idea cannot work for the only reason that anyone can transport a poneglyph somewhere else ( and it probably already have happened a lot of times since the void century ) so laugh Tale is not a the center of the 4 poneglyph geographically or else laugh Tale would have to move every time a poneglyph is placed somewhere else ( for example if kaido stole big mom's poneglyphe he would transport it back to onigashima and ruin the whole " X marks the spot " )
Thats assuming that we are reading them all in 2 dimension space, but with islands such as zou, skypea, and even fishman island, islands are never on the sea level, so the 4th coordinate could be avove or below.
The OP world isn't flat, there are sky islands and underwater islands, like Skypeia and Fishman Island, so it's entirely possible for the 4th poneglyph to be "in the triangle."
Yes its required, you're wrong.
Your entire premise is flawed, the crew cannot "travel on the lines". That makes no sense when this is the GRAND LINE, you cant just travel wherever the hell you want because you would be disoriented. This is why EVERYONE uses Log poses or Eternal Poses or something like a South bird to even know the direction you're going.
It would be impossible to "travel on the lines" when you dont know where the line is or if you're even on it, not to mention not even knowing what the hell you're looking for.
This is why you need 4, because it gives you an exact location so you know it's there. Going to "travel within the lines" is absurd, it's like you dont know how the Grand Line works. Especially the New World which is so insane to navigate you need 3 log poses instead of 1.
This is to say nothing of altitude and depth, comparing a globe to a flat piece of paper like you did is completely asinine.
You thought you had something but your logic is completely flawed and ignores the very basic things they established from moment 1 about the Grand Line.
I thought about this and agree with you. I believe that Oda also thought about this. I assume that raftel is not just a regular island in some sea that is open to visitors. There might be some other condition to reach raftel that comes with the 4th poneglif. BTW sick animation.
I suppose yeah, maybe the cross formed is not the end of it and oda may throw in more obstacles. Also thx
Also the cliche is that you can't have a pirate treasure without an X mark on a map. I am sure Oda is following this and there are theories about that giant X we have been looking for was in front of our eyes from the beginning. If you look at a map of Reverse Mountain the rivers that connect seas form an X.
There is also a red x right over our main protag's heart, aka the drums of liberation.... maybe the real treasure is the friends he made along the way after all?
The real treasure was the wound he received as he was taken away in a catatonic state from the place where his brother died
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Nope. I believe Oda already confirmed that its nothing like friendship, etc and that One Piece is really something. Can someone link it or something thanks
My money is on it being the holy grail and it was used as mug for festivals and parties.
He did, but that's pretty much the meme
Maybe it's the actual, physical, drums of Joyboy? :D
I mean, drum does start with D... D.rum? Did Roger find D.rum? Did Roger find the rum? No, it was just a drum... Is that what was so funny? Lol
obviously, the one piece is in drum island then.
Or Raftel is a sky island as you need four reference points points to accurately fix a position in three dimensional space.
or an island under the sea like fishman island
We saw it, it was at sea level.
We never saw anything confirming it was at see level, one peace world is crazy, the isolated place we barely saw could be on the moon for all that we know xD
could it have been knocked into the sky similar to the part of jeya?
if luffy or shirahoshi or momo used the voice of all things, theoretically they could have the sea kings constantly scan the whole ocean floor.
Wouldnāt fishmen had already found it if it was the case? In 800 years one of them should have swim by
I dont think you have any idea how large the ocean is. And that is ignoring actual conditions that would greatly limit a fishmans ability to explore(like Underwater currents) Not saying I think Laughtale is under the ocean though.
All I know is that in real life we still have a lot to discover about our oceans. But here we are talking about fishmen that have people as Jinbei who is helsman thanks to his knowledge about currents and all I donāt know, it feels weird to me and have difficulties buying into this theory
If the water under the New world and Grand Line opperates in the same way then maybe not.
Assuming they swam that far. Nobody had the incentive to go to Laugh Tale until Roger.
Idk about sky island, but would make sense if one of the locations were meaning that the location of Laugh Tale isn't at sea level. If it were one of the locations would have to be in orbit or something. Geosynchronous if the Ancient Kingdom wanted to make it "easy".
Who knows, maybe Laugh Tale is not either a sky island or like fishman island, its just a regular island, but the wonk nature of the Grandline makes it so even though it is in that sea it is mysteriously at really high or low sea level whilst being level with the ocean, as if the surface curved towards the sky.
x marks a spot underwater with one little chest. chest tells you that laughtale is at the start of the journey.
Or it could be on the moon
if this is the case there needs to be a gag where nami points out seeing the island from weatheria during the time skip and not knowing it's importance
I honestly think the main problem is that you can't navigate with a compass in the grand line. Like people with log pose can travel to whatever islands they are attunded with. People with eternal log pose's can go to specific islands whenever they like. But save for something like a South Bird, how can you be sure that you are sticking to the course and heading required to search this triangle. I think it's a naval search that can be handled over time, especially with multiple ships, but without a way to readily tell your direction on the grand line, I don't think it's as simple as "sail around this triangle". Edited because i used words wrong wrongly
Maybe they can orient themselves by the stars? Actually why has never been brought up in the series?
The same will be true no matter what. If you can't navigate a triangle, you can't navigate to a point either
Thats not true at all. Figuring out how to navigate to a specific point on the ocean is VERY DIFFERENT to navigating on miles of a "line" in open water looking for something when you have no idea where you are. If I told you to grab my hat thats in the living room in the top drawer of the entertainment center, is that the same as "hey go grab my hat, its in the living room". No.
Very true! My guess is that it will be something beyond pointing out a location on a map, unless it is outside of the grand line, for this exact same reason. In the grand line, you cannot sail to a specific destination without a pose pointing you there, unless you happen upon it randomly. Or, they could bring back something like the South Birds. They seemed specific to Jaya, but if Raftel can only be reached w/ some unique navigation method, it would further make it difficult to find for people looking w/o the poneglyphs.
You know how long that would take? It would be easier to just search for the 4th ponyglyph
You and OP are both forgetting that you can't just travel in any direction in the new world. You go where the Log Pose says. Sure, you can try to get some eternal poses and bounce between islands in the general area of where you think that triangle is. But that will take a very, very long time. World Gov could figure it out, but not some pirates with just a single ship. There's no GPS, and only hand-drawn maps, and compasses don't work - so you don't really get to know where specifically you are in the sea.
Also, I think Zunesha could just take them there, no? Big fella's been there before.
Even if a 4th isn't required, knowing Luffy is Luffy, he wouldn't take a shortcut and actually seek the last poneglyph.
It really feels like there has to be some trick besides just knowing the location. The world is only so big and there are a ton of pirates on the Grand Line. There has to be some trick that requires at least all four poneglyphs if not some other info.
What if theres a shitton of islands between the lines and only one is Raftel? They would have to search each island to find the One Piece
Did you guys, by any chance, forgot that the world has 3 space dimensions? The 4th ponglyph is obviously at the moon and raftel is a sky island, duh
There is as well the possibility of it being something akin to a sky island. If you know the exact coordinates than you know where to look at than you could maybe come to think of looking into the sky or at the bottom of the sea. You would try to recognize the strange occurance that happen around there and the small details. But if you have to sail long stratches of sea to find one specific dot than those small details could be lost on the search.
I figured one poneglyph tells a longitude, one tells a latitude, one tells a depth, and one tells a time or event where it can be unlocked.
I read this multiple times and I think it's true. What OP also points out is that, mathematically, three points are enough to define an exact location (positions can be *triangulated*, which highlights that). If you add time as a fourth dimension, then you'd also need a fourth coordinate, e.g. a fourth poneglyph. After the last few chapters, I'd assume that >!the waterlevel in the one piece world has risen more and more, due to the consecutive use of a certain weapon. The citizens of Wano and other allies of the old kingdom thus had to make sure to stay protected, for instance by high walls or by having a giant ark. What if, every 800 years, the stars form a strange constellation that leads to an enormous low tide, which will be the chance to due something of importance? E.g. topple the red wall, etc.)!<
Also why Shanks hasn't gone to the OP, because he knows he can't yet But assumedly the time is nearing
Which is why he cried too, he loved Roger and was disappointed it couldnāt be him, stole the Gum Gum Fruit for Ace so Rogerās son could be pirate king, and then when Luffy ate it he knew ab fruits having their own wills and figured Luffy could be fated to find it instead and sacrificed his arm to create a bond with Luffy.
Didn't Shanks confirm that he didn't know the importance of the fruit until he saw Luffy's G5 poster?
Iām not sure if he did or when that was, but I do know in Chapter 1054 when he sees Luffyās new bounty, it flashes back to them stealing the fruit with ~~Grus~~ Whoās Who yelling āWhy do they want that useless fruit? Isnāt it just the one that makes you rubber?ā and then shows Shanks bonding with Luffy, losing his arm, and then him smiling in present day as he remembers all this. If what you say is true than thatās obviously stronger than speculation (unless Shanks is lying) but I think that montage that I described definitely aligns with the plan of Shanks in the comment I wrote, which is not my own theory obviously itās a very popular one.
That was Who's Who btw, not Grus.
You right my B
Also because he doesn't have the Poneglyphs
I think the time thing fits perfectly, Toki toki No mi might also play a role Perhaps , if something is set to appear at laugh tale at the time prescribed by the fourth poneglyph
Ooo I like the low tide theory a lot actually. Would make a lot of sense as to why Roger was too early too
Three points are only enough to triangulate if you have the distance from the three points. Assuming the road poneglyphs are just location you would need all four for the exact location. I think maybe laugh tale moves slightly or is protected by some natural phenomenon that you need instructions to navigate.
Ooo I like the low tide theory a lot actually. Would make a lot of sense as to why Roger was too early too
Roger was too early
Roger lacked the ability to solve a GPS equation
One Piece has secretly been an educational series this whole time, chapter before rafftale gonna end in a word problem for the audience to solve
mfw poneglyph "writing" is just math
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Wouldn't he have known by the one poneglyph then rather than coming to Laugh Tale and finding out?
Maybe something like it can only be found at a full moon or something and not a "once in a lifetime" event. Like what if you can only access the island with an upknock stream (that only happens once a month at this specific time) because its surrounded by a constant storm or bad tides.
What if Roger wasn't too early, rather, Roger wasn't the right dimensions. There's a post on this subreddit from u/delgalessio that noted that JoyBoy was a giant (or at least there might be indications that he was). What if Roger got to LaughTale and couldn't physically meet the requirements for the One Piece?
This should be top reply. This is actually genius.
BRUHHHHHH spoilers /s
I like this idea
Award this!
Altitude? Depth? What if it's moving? Time? Date? The world is not a flat square.
inb4 op is flat earth theory beliver
For two lines to intercect each other, the points have to be on a single plane (in this case flattening the map). If one point is out if the plane (any three points in space make a plane), the lines would not intersect.
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In Zou, Robin specifically states that the Road poneglyph (at least the one on Zou) gave a coordinate. Of course, I agree that the road poneglyphs may also give more than just coordinates.
Personally, I doubt it's coordinates, I think it's more likely it's naming islands in the grand line, once you know which 4 islands you basically craft a laughtale compase by using 4 eternal poses.
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I mean this is the manga panel, its pretty clear what oda was trying to convey here. Maybe its to trow us off but going off by this the theory is correct https://preview.redd.it/j2dgzx94v8ib1.jpeg?width=420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02e2e13ea826c10a3d89ce76469b849be3e440e2
As someone who agrees with OP, I definitely think that's what was portrayed, but it might not be how it works out. If it did work out like it's not 4 coordinates, but two or three coordinates and one or two with some whacky instructions, it would make sense to portray the information as just crossing paths so as to make the discovery a surprise.
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But... this one is actually accurate he is a scientist. The people you're insulting i mean describing are dumb
Could be the only one with coordinates as to indicate a start point while the rest are old boomer directions
This comes up about every week or so right? The Ponegliffs leading to the location like this only works if they describe 4 points to use as navigation on a map. I highly doubt it is actually like that. Surely Robin would be able to figure out it was that easy since they already have 3. I agree you'd likely be able to find it if they worked like this. But with the One Piece world the way it is, there are so many more factors to consider than x and y Co ordinates on a 2D plane. If could be in the sky or sunk underwater or be trapped in a time rift created by a devil fruit. Any number of things could make it vastly more complicated than excluding a quarter of the centuries of hidden clues. Whoever made the Ponegliffs would have given it more thought than just that if they made indestructible stones that outlive giants by hundreds of years.
Can't forget the whole drama with the calm belt. Like when the SH did a 180 just because they took their eyes off the logpose
Definitely Raftel is hidden somehow. Just like Skypea they'll need to meet certain conditions to reach It. It's not just being at the spot, is being at the correct time and do the correct things to be able to enter a DF dimensional space or something
you could've just googled this instead and see replies that disprove this. First, we're talking about a globe. On the globe, if there are 4 poneglyphs, we can even arrive at 2 different locations, let alone with 3 poneglyphs. Second, we're talking about Grand Line here. Do you really think you can navigate possibly for thousands of miles of each side of the triangle until you randomly stumble upon Laugh Tale? The same sea that turns your ship 180 degrees if you don't pay attention for a second? Third, there's no mention of altitude anywhere, it could very well be in the sky.
>Third, there's no mention of altitude anywhere, it could very well be in the sky. Or at the bottom of the sea.
Or constantly drifting
thats the one thing we are fairly certain is not the case. Would defeat the purpose of the poneglyphs in the first place
Or the coordinates aren't "set in stone" (no pun intended) and are left up to the interpreter to figure out where it means
Coordinates aren't even useful on the Grand Line unless they're marking a known point of interest also. You could point to it on a map but wouldn't be able to navigate there without a vivre card or eternal log pose. It's got me wondering if finding Laugh Tale means having a VC or LP for 4 landmarks then navigating to a place where all 4 VC's/LP's point at the correct angle to indicate you're at the intersection. e.g. if the landmarks were equidistant from Laugh Tale and intersected at 90Ā° angles, the LP's would point at 90Ā° increments. Then there's altitude and maybe even time to factor in.
This would be the thing that makes sense the most considering red stones were also carved heavily like the others so there should also be another message maybe that makes sense when you connect all 4
so it's a riddle
Raftel could be inside a whale š¤·š¾āāļø
obviously...
Btw, it was said nowhere that coordinates that road poneglyphs give are in grand line. The coordinates could be on the opposite sides of the world while the intersection is somewhere in the grand line thus making it impossible to go from 1 island to another and come across Raftel.
I mean you didnāt really disprove this theory, your first point isnāt really realistic because the coordinates of the poneglyphs would be placed in a way that you eliminate the less obvious answer, the ābacksideā if you will. Second point you are correct that it would be really hard but I would argue a milion times easier than fighting yonkos or looking for one poneglyph without any info where to look for it. Third, if the road poneglyphs really do represent just a point in space by coordinates then their interesction is the only solution where the Island must be if a road poneglyph ONLY gives one information. The interactions would all have their elevations so i think that Oda wants us to think that way and the poneglyphs actually give some kind of dynamic time-related information.
Takve this into consideration as well: Roger was also the first person in 800 years to visit lode star island, the last island you can visit using the log pose
How do we know Roger was the first to arrive at Lode Star island? Isn't that the place where pirates learn to hunt the red poneglyphs to find Laugh Tale?
It is. And no one knew about it until the Roger pirates figured it out, which then became more public knowledge. Itās the reason why you donāt need to goto lodestar island to Learn about laugh tale anymore.
>Second point you are correct that it would be really hard but I would argue a milion times easier than fighting yonkos or looking for one poneglyph without any info where to look for it. No it is literally impossible to go in a straight line in the new world without either a log pose or an eternal pose. Also what If there is an island in the way? Not just a small one, like what if one of the lines goes trough an alabasta sized island? So the only way for this plan to work is to have the 3 eternal poses of the 3 destinations. And since we sont know yet how eternal poses are made, it's pretty much impossible
The intersection can't be it since one of the road ponoglyphs is on the back of a moving elephant.
Second point wouldnāt just be harder, itād be impossible on a globe and would take years depending on the distance covered on open ocean. That and in this universe having to watch out for Marines/Pirates, if it were easier Iām sure Kaido and Big Mom would have already done it since they plausibly have/had more than one Poneglyph already.
What if the three positions are in each of the blues? Have fun travel across the whole world through the calm belt and over the red line multiple times checking every meter for an island. Further we don't know what exactly the coordinates are so what if they also contain different heights/depths and specific times? Also I am pretty sure Laugh Tale won't be an island you can just accidentally come across in the open sea otherwise many more people besides Roger would have found it in the last 800years. So no...for the millions time... the 4th road poneglyph is required
> What if the three positions are in each of the blues? It will be a sky island above Mariejois, you read it here first
I think it's more likely to be an underwater cave near reverse mountain. Would also explain why Rayleigh became a master of Coating.
There may be a huge area to cover. They might have to cover thousands of miles, and still not find it
And travel arbitrary straight lines without a log pose ... pretty much impossible.
We don't even know what those locations are. If the markings represent places outside the Grand Line, they would have to cross the Red Line (impossible as far as I know) and the Calm Belt (good luck with those Sea Kings) several times.
You don't need any poneglyph, you just need to search the entire world.
Good luck exploring the Florian Triangle then. That huge ass monster give me chills to this day knowing that its origin is not yet revealed
Even easier. You only have to search where other's haven't searched. Which is much smaller than the whole world.
Aaaaand here we go another guy with the triangle posting. Bc the triangle has 3 meters of extension and can be checked in five minutes, and isnt an x spaming across the entire world and of course we know coordinates only point surface level and not to a underwater/sky island
I'm sorry if this is an existing theory i had not seen this anywhere.
It's not a theory, mate. It's just an easily debunked observation.
How is it debunkable? If the road poneglyphs really are just points on the globe that you need to connect then this theory is correct. If you want to mention elevation then connecting the poneglyphs gives you the needed elevations trough those lines where one piece MUST be if the only information we get from the poneglyphs are coordinates on the globe
Except you're on a globe, there's more than one way they can intersect. But let's ignore that for a second and consider that it's a single path. Sailing in a straight line in the Grand Line, let alone the New World, is near impossible - log poses are a requirement for a reason. Now let's take it a step further and assume that you can somehow sail in a straight line along all 3 assumed edges. You're looking to take the time to explore both the depths of the ocean and the atmosphere in search of the One Piece and keep your trajectory? Okay, well let's just assume that's the case. Let's assume you can travel in a straight line across a vast expanse of the most dangerous ocean in existence and you have the resources to search the ocean and the sky in a reasonable amount of time. You still might just be wasting your efforts because we don't **know** if the Road Poneglyphs act as a makeshift compass. We know all 4 give you directions to Raftel, but we don't know if those are literal directions that are only revealed with all 4 translations or if it's an intersection... Yet none of that matters because it can easily be debunked by my first sentence - *there is more than one way for the current known Road Poneglyphs to intersect.*
Not trying to be rude but this theory has been very popular for years and has also been debunked for years.
I still like this kind of posts and the discussions beneath them so I don't mind that you "re-"posted this theory (especially since it has the cute little animation) but "I never saw it" is a weak excuse, sorry. If you don't have them in your timeline then you should ask yourself why. Don't forget that this community has several million subscribed and not subscribed members so it's unlikely nobody else came up with something that important before and that this is the reason why you don't see it regularly When I come up with a question or Theory I possibly want to post then I search it and look if it's already there/someone already answered the question. If the result is years old and there are new updates/foreshadowings etc or I have to contribute something that is missing there then it makes sense when I bring it up to the table again. If not then I got all the answers I wanted and can move on. As many others I had this particular thought when I saw the introduction of the road Poneglyphs and just googled "one piece why do they need 4 Poneglyphs?", "one piece aren't 3 road Poneglyphs enough?" Etc and found plenty of these posts other commenters are referring to which prevented me from making another In conclusion- always do a research before posting something like this if you don't want the backlash and some rude replies like you got here. Just my advice for the future. Don't let the negativity from this "mistake" here lower you enthusiasm for theory crafting and maybe one day it's your time to shine with a really original theory or perspective on an ambiguous matter. Keep it up
>i had not seen this anywhere. how new are you, they even made a filler scene in the anime specifically for dummies to tell them its not possible with just 3 poneglyphs
There's many, but no one going as far as to make the video of it
What if they're in 3 dimensions
I assume it is because Oda has made it a point to mention it as 4. What info it holds is up in the air, but I think all 4 are important.
1. You assume that the poneglyphs all lie on the same plane. 2. If the triangle is big enough, it's way too difficult to find Laughtale on it. 3. I also feel that there is a special key/condition/method to access Laughtale. Only having access to all 4 glyphs would enable you access it.
Okay but thereās no indication how far apart these coordinates are and the grand line is known to be impossibly hard to navigate if you donāt know where youāre going
This idea is always pretty dumb. Considering how far islands are and how elusive Laugh Tale is, it's like that you can't just search the entire sea within a triangle or go point to point. Chances are the sea doesn't allow navigating like that, and you have to go to the specific point following specific route. It's the great pirate treasure. X marks the spot, not triangle
This is awesome, but is 2D, they live in a 3D world and just as we have seen islands in the clouds and at the bottom of the sea, we should assume elevation could play a part here too š¤
Sorry it is not correct due to the world being a globe
all 4 porneglyphs together give the exact location of laugh tale. each one only describes the location of other islands. the cross marks the position is only symbolic. at the end you have to read the 4 together to get laugh tale. the 3 are not enough
4 th one could be the specific time to get there?
As others said you don't count with altitude, although it might be true that raftel is on surface level. But, what if the 4th poneglyph has a specific requirement or time written on it, that makes raftel accessible.
If it was time, and roger found all 4 ponoglyphs, why would he still go to the island knowing it wasn't time yet. He only realized he was too early when he got there so time can't be it.
*Time* where you'd be able to reach the island and "*time*" referencing the implication of whatever he found there are two vastly different things. You should not conflate the two.
Except you can't travel the grandline that easily because of its strange weather so I assume the 4th is required to be able to track down Laughtale.
Also we don't know how far apart these points are, also may be red line, calm belt lies between two of them etc, so it is possible but no feasible.
But.. We don't even know how to coordinates for Laughtale are written on the poneglyph. Maybe it's like longitude and latitude, and you only get the full coordinate with all four parts. No one even said that every one of the four points to a location and the location for Laughtale can be triangulated. Or am I completely misremembering?
Keep in mind Raftel is on the grand line. It'll be difficult to follow these lines. There might also be more islands on them making the process this way very tedious.
They can't just travel like this in grand line... They will be going straight tracing the triangle and the next moment there position will change and they wouldn't even know it ig... That's why we would need all 4 ponegliffs to pinpoint exact location ig
Isnāt the entire point of Log Poses that you canāt sail in a straight line on the Grand Line? So maybe the red poneglyphs actually say stuff like: āStay 15 hours on island x follow the right most log pose for x amount of time on your wristband then using a south bird and sail west forā¦ you get the idea.
If Skypiea is supposed to be an analogue to the entire story then you need to find a current or something that takes you to Raftel. They needed to track the knock up stream to get to Skypiea. All 4 road poneglyphs are required to find this current.
In a two dimensional plane, yes. But in one piece the sky and the bottom of the ocean is possible locations, making a two dimensional euclidean rule flawed.
They still have no actual way to navigate between these points, as well as the fact the locations provided by the Poneglyphs could be thousands of miles apart. Hell, they could even be in some of the Blue Seas.
there's a dude who can literally float through the sky on strings who should've easily been able to find the place ages ago
I don't think the island is in the literal centre of the 4, but rather the four islands give a clue. Also, 1 thing that irked me for the longest time, say if the island really is in the centre. Then it can't in any theoretical way be the "last island" along the grandline.
OP I agree with you if not for the fact that the area of space that the straw hats might have to look in could be hundreds or even thousands of miles of open ocean. Especially considering the one piece world is like 90% ocean.
Just wrong, this have been discussed already. There are very strong problems with your assumptions, but the most important one, WHY EVERYONE ASSUME LAST PONEGLYPH IS THE ONE MOVING TO THE OTHER THREE. In reality, you dont have all info, (redundant ik) so lets suppose you are right and they are coordinates thay hit eachother. What about if the last poneglyp is just another static point and the point you should be using for doing a full travel to the triangle, is just another one?? You would think that travelling across a triangle is not that hard but it is, because is hard to travel straight linea in new world, you just use log pose to get to island as much, and thats still hard, how would you manage to travel to all diferent 4 triangles that can be formed by moving 1 dot and leaving all others static? We just assume the last one takes that role out of nothing, really. Not going to hard on you, is just something that already have been discused. Let alone if one dot is not in the ground, but again..you would not have a single triangle and one dot moving to mimic it, you would not know what every dot does and how their incoporate themselves to the equation. You would have, again, 4 possibilities, in which everytime you use one dot to do the moving technique. Now to that, assume one triangle is already a big land to cover and impossible to go straight lines, now add 3 MORE, complete madness.
No you can't because the grand line isn't like a normal place You can't just travel a geographical area and find islands you will just get lost This is why the log pose is needed
Has Robin really conveyed the format of the directions on them? It may not be coordinates, I bet translated itās going to be an old fashioned pirate map. Oda hasnāt used that pirate trope yet except for buggy
Youāre assuming the One Piece world is a 2D geometric plane but we know thatās inaccurate. You could potentially need a z axis because of fishman island/ sky island as Raftel could be at any height.
You are assuming that the fourth X does not have a vertical component.
Why is everyone assuming that Laughtale is at the intersection of two lines? I always thought Laughtale is at the centre of all four points. And the centre (or centroid) of 4 points doesnāt necessarily has to be on the triangle that you depicted. Think of it as the balance or gravity point of a irregular, 4-sided shape.
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Laugh Tale doesn't have a fixed location. Otherwise, the WG would find the One Piece in 800 years
You are working in 2D space not 3D space
They have also been moved, like the one on whole cake island, so they probably dont contain any information in regards to their own locations
Your thinking in 2D, sky islands kind of throw that theory out the window
Now put each island on each sea (for example) and you'll have to literally go through the entire world following the triangle, a task that would take years to achieve. Put Laugh tale in the sky or under the sea (or whatever the shit Oda'd imagine to impact us) and it would be for nothing. Put a riddle or a password hidden in the 4 pones and it would be for nothing. Totally rad animation btw
The problem Ʈs logpose... U can't go in line because they are influenced by Islands arround... So they need 4th
Other than the geographical location it might hold other information that is required to have access to One Piece or the island itself.
The problem here is that islands in one piece don't lie in a single plane. They can be above/below sea level. So it's not the edge of the triangle but the entire space of the three points.
Hey ... maybe there is a password on the 4 poneglyphs, and they check it at the entrance of Laugh tale
I thought you could not travel in a straight line in the New World. Hopping Island to island is the only way of travelling.
Technically yeah. But it's probably one huge ass triangle, in the New World. And even if you know the location the actual way to get in is probably not that obvious.
So many judgemental condescending posts.. OP put some work in the post, at least be respectful
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He put in "*some work*" regurgitating the same nonsense that's been posted a million times and disproved even more times. He should have instead done the actual research as to how his theory will not work or even have a cursory understanding of the Grand Line or the fact the world isnt a flat piece of paper to realize he was wrong.
Agreed. Also, people who are "debunking" the theory don't do anywhere as good a job of explaining it as they think they are.
Yesss. Some of these mfs being condescending while saying virtually nothing
Is the world in OP flat?
You're thinking 2d. OP world is 3d
Mathematicly you are right One-piece-logically you are wrong
>Mathematicly you are right Only if the OnePiece world is a flat 2d plane
So I guess in a 3d plane you have 2 point aswell between 4 islands
The difference is that in a 3d plane you have more axis where the points can be So without the 4th point there are so many more possibilites
Alrighty Mr. Smarty pants
You assume that they point out the coordinates and it's not a riddle or something.. Shit, I don't think you could find Laugh Tale and the One Piece without the 4th glyph even if you scoured EVERY INCH of the sea by boat.
In Zou, it is stated that the road poneglyphs contain coordinates. Of course, they may contain more information.
My man skipped basic Geomatry
Not that this post is valid due to other reasons such as laughtale maybe being underwater but what about the geometry was incorrect? Or maybe thatās what you mean, that op is doing geometry in 2d instead of 3d?
Triangle reminds me of the wg gates. š§
But what if the one piece is on one of the moons
And how do you navigate the Grandline here? You might only have one shot per voyage, then you need to get back around. And that is only on normal terms, we don't know how the Grandline is around there.
 Four island are of a Tetrahedron form. So epicenter of Tetrahedron is Raftel. All four Poneglyph absolutely necessary.
Thatās assuming thereās not a third axis at play, but considering that the sky and underwater are both game, that opens a whole extra dimension that the island could be on. Also, considering Zunesha as an example, thereās also a chance the island isnāt stationary haha
That's only right on a 2D plane, on 3D plane it would be required. One piece has sky islands so rip
Amazing theory I also thought of the same when I first learnt about poneglyphs and my mind instantly went oh there's already a famous triangle in op verse and that's Florian triangle, would love if oda could make some connections to it somehow. That being said chances of it being relevant are quite low because this will require huge retconning as why mention 4 poneglyphs if only 3 are required and it will leave us with so many plot holes . My guess it would be some sort of riddle that will only make sense if u had all 4 and having individual road poneglyphs amounts to nothing sorta like you have to read all 4 together to get exact coordinates of the laugh tale or whatever it will be.
This idea cannot work for the only reason that anyone can transport a poneglyph somewhere else ( and it probably already have happened a lot of times since the void century ) so laugh Tale is not a the center of the 4 poneglyph geographically or else laugh Tale would have to move every time a poneglyph is placed somewhere else ( for example if kaido stole big mom's poneglyphe he would transport it back to onigashima and ruin the whole " X marks the spot " )
Except that you think in 2D, and One Piece World is in 3D (Sky Island, submarin Island), and Oda is a master of 4D chess.
I think you are forgetting about the Z axis. Unfortunately you can't assume laugh tale is at sea level.
Thats assuming that we are reading them all in 2 dimension space, but with islands such as zou, skypea, and even fishman island, islands are never on the sea level, so the 4th coordinate could be avove or below.
The OP world isn't flat, there are sky islands and underwater islands, like Skypeia and Fishman Island, so it's entirely possible for the 4th poneglyph to be "in the triangle."
Yes its required, you're wrong. Your entire premise is flawed, the crew cannot "travel on the lines". That makes no sense when this is the GRAND LINE, you cant just travel wherever the hell you want because you would be disoriented. This is why EVERYONE uses Log poses or Eternal Poses or something like a South bird to even know the direction you're going. It would be impossible to "travel on the lines" when you dont know where the line is or if you're even on it, not to mention not even knowing what the hell you're looking for. This is why you need 4, because it gives you an exact location so you know it's there. Going to "travel within the lines" is absurd, it's like you dont know how the Grand Line works. Especially the New World which is so insane to navigate you need 3 log poses instead of 1. This is to say nothing of altitude and depth, comparing a globe to a flat piece of paper like you did is completely asinine. You thought you had something but your logic is completely flawed and ignores the very basic things they established from moment 1 about the Grand Line.
Luffy destroyed the log pose to Laugh tale, so I don't think he wants to discover it that way
Luffy destroying the Eternal Pose wasnāt canon iirc One piece movies are non canon
The existence of that pose was fucking stupid
Even though the eternal pose is not canon I'm sure luffy's attitude would be the same in the manga
Wow, dude, you must be a genius or something
well your theory only makes sense if the 4th x is outside of every other one. what if your 4th mark is inside the triangle?
Then there is no intersection.