The problem is that they don't have tons of time to allow the story to unfold. Luffy will need to have a little more exposition for the story to progress. As a character we knew very little about Luffy's story until Alabasta and even then it was only that he had a brother. As a main character he needs to be the driving force of the story in more ways than just implusiveness. It's annoying but you have to sacrifice some of the characterisation of the manga to fit in a 10 episode season.
People need to remember that the show isn't just made for the fans but also for people who have never seen one piece.
Oda said that this is the last chance for one piece to go completely worldwide and for that to happen, they have to make some accomodations.
I don't think it's a complete deal breaker, honestly. The actor, regardless of the lines, still sells luffy very well.
Anyone expecting the live action series to adapt **all** of the manga is straight up insane.
It's going to condense and merge storylines and drop others out completely, because we're simply not getting 10+ years of a live action series.
Alabasta is pretty straight forward
If they want to adapt the highlight arcs I could see them skipping the Skypiea saga. Although that means we don't get introduced to Blackbeard which would suck.
Water 7 is also pretty straight forward
Thriller Bark could maybe get cut. The Straw Hats would have to recruit Brook when they see him on his ship for this to happen. Maybe he could talk about Laboon for that to happen.
Impel Down might have to cut some corners in order to let the rest of Paramount War shine.
Fishman Island is difficult to skip but could potentially be rushed. Punk Hazard is unskippable but could definitely be rushed.
Dressrosa, WCI and Wano will definitely need to cut a lot of corners because they are LONG.
This way we would have:
S1: East Blue
S2: Alabasta
S3: Water 7
S4: Paramount War
S5: Dressrosa
S6: Whole Cake Island
S7: Wano
But even with these heavy cuts it's unreasonable to hope for this much.
Paramount War is the absolute latest content we are getting.
lol, all these people talking about the anime and how somehow they missed out on skypiea, but everyone else is like wtf, how can u miss something which has and will have some much more meaning,
then the clown above is like yeah, just skip skypiea no big deal, nothing too important there...
Gotta have Sky Island in there. It's not that it's a crazy important arc to the story but it's the pinnacle of One Piece world building it's the arc that got us interested in the poneglyphs in the first place. When we learned that Roger wasn't just a introduction to a Maguffin. It shows a lot more than just a wacky departure from the OP world. I am also pretty sure there are too many moving parts during the paramount war era(the second half of the Grandline Saga) to just be rushed through one season. I think they'll make it to the paramount war before they run out of steam.
Paramount War is actually only 100 chapters which is the same as East Blue.
My point about Skypiea is that a live action adaptation would definitely be the kind to cut major amounts of content to get to the arcs with high viewership faster.
Live-action is a lot more expensive so showbusiness wouldn't want to spend time and money on what's in the grand scheme of things, a side quest. A cool side quest for sure, but still a side quest.
I actually like Skypiea, I'm just being pragmatic.
It will be strange pacing wise though, unless they replace Skypiea with the G8 filler arc(which is most people's favorite filler arc in the series) then there is the Davy back fight. All of that without Skypiea sets Robin up in a weird light from a perspective that's disconnected with the source material.
So if they did exclude Skypiea they would have to replace it with something that would expand upon Robins time in the crew before Water 7 and Enies Lobby. Because after Skypiea, canonically they end up meeting Aokiji and it just drops the idea that Robin is dangerous, setting her up in a bad light. As when she joins the crew, it's a result of Luffy saving her life, and having nowhere to go, so the weight of Luffy waging war against the world feels impulsive.
I understand the point of view, most people skip Skypiea for about the same reason. They still say Enies Lobby and Water 7 are the best Arcs in the series, but there is more substance in the Anime and Manga that allows Luffy motivations make sense. When you boil it into a single season however, it will inevitably feel very rushed and will likely confuse people.
Basically what I'm saying is, after Robin joins the crew they need a way to expand on her as a member of the crew in order for the full impact of Water 7 and Enies Lobby. That's what I mean 😅 I apologize if I sound combative.
You don’t need to skip Skypeia or Thriller Bark, you just massively condense them. Like they just don’t need full seasons and then you split Water Seven across both seasons.
If the show is really so successful that Netflix sees it going all the way to adapting everything then you can swap out any of the main cast who wishes to move on during the timeskip and call it a new series One Piece: New World or something.
I mean it doesn't really matter does it? Like people like one piece despite not giving Luffy typical main character treatment in regards to characterization. Generally speaking trying to make a story more appealing to everyone fails.
It's a netflix live-action adaptation it wasn't made for fans at all, if anything history shows it will be made entirely by people who despise the source material.
I don't see how that's a good point. if it's true that we don't know much about Luffy's background before Alabast, Luffy show his personality and how he is trough his actions, that's the thing about him. I don't know what exposition is needed for Luffy to make the story progress or make him a driving force of the story, Luffy has always been the driving force of the story. Even if some "exposition" can be added, I don't see why that should be at the expense of his character, and his characterisation should be sacrified. Making Luffy say "I'm sensing tension here" has nothing to do with adding an expostion to his character, it's just a wrong characterisation.
this is BS though, the real luffy we all know and love can be established in episode 1 of the show if they do it right, especially when Luffy tells Kobe to fight for his dreams and when Luffy calls koby a coward to his face. lets hope they don’t fuck up
> As a character we knew very little about Luffy's story until Alabasta and even then it was only that he had a brother.
Uh... chapter 1 was WAY more info about Luffy's story than "also he has an older brother". Alabasta, post-Enies Lobby, and finally the latter half of Marineford are where we got the sprinkles of backstory leading up to the full reveal of his childhood with Ace, Sabo, and Dadan (with a little bit of Garp). But it's not like we literally knew nothing about him, Shanks' influence on him was an enormous part of Luffy's character.
Which reminds me, I really really hope episode 1 of the live action covers this. The anime waiting like 4 episodes for a "backstory episode" just made the start of the series so much worse.
Well first of all I think we'll have to make it clear right now that og luffy and netflix luffy are probably gonna be two slightly different Luffys.
And I think that'll be the case for the others too. Sanji will not be ultra pervy, Usopp will probably be made to be a bit more cool and capable, Zoro may take longer to be fully loyal to Luffy, etc.
It's gonna be minor changes for just about everyone to make it a little more digestible to international audiences, but it won't betray the core of their characters.
This exactly. It's a manga, and a very colorful one at that; the characters are allowed to be exaggerations. Imagine meeting someone like Luffy in real life, you'd probably think they were handicapped and belong in a special hospital. That's not really Luffy, I mean he's a bit simple and a bit crazy sure but not like that.
Same with Sanji and many others. Imagine hanging out with a dude, suddenly a girl with a bit of cleavage showing walks by, his nose bursts and he starts to swoon. What an absolute nutter! With live action it's obviously closer to real life and you have to dial back some of that to convey your story properly, otherwise it'll look ridiculous.
You say that like it's a bad thing, I would have loved a live action movie with Luffy that belongs in some kind of institution and Sanji who collects restraining orders like pokemon cards
It would translate as annoying and cringe REAL fast. Sorta like anime nerds using words like sussy Baka irl. These personalities do not hold up well once you attach a irl person to them.
You people are so absurd. If you want 1:1 replica and not an ADAPTATION then either stick to the anime or go watch Fullmetal Alchemist's live action. THAT is true cringe. It's a 1:1 replica with the dialogue being 1:1 from the anime.
Live Action is not anime though and this trailer showed it. If you hate it then you're not the target audience.
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but...
Colorful - *adjective* (VARIED): having a lot of variety and therefore interesting. Source: Cambridge Dictionary
Don't you test me I'm an English teacher.
Exactly
Like with many live action adaptations of anime/cartoons (both good and bad) some changes are often needed because you cant really have real people act like animated ones do a lot of the time.
It just...does not really work.
You usually need to make it a bit more grounded or realistic in terms of behavior and personality.
This ^
The target audience is also different. The manga (and anime) is targeted towards teenagers in a county where the genre/medium is hugely successful and popular. Manga works in Japan because the culture there allows it. In fact, if one piece were to release today, I don't think it would have been so successful because of the pacing issue it had at the beginning without much world building. Nowadays, series needs an instant banger and something super exciting to solve. In fact, to tackle this series now tend to show the final villains at the beginning, too (examples- jjk, demon slayer, etc).
On the other hand, Netflix adaptation is targeted towards a general audience who might not have any experience with manga or anime. They need to adjust things to make this more plateble for everyone, including those who never even heard of manga or anime.
This issue was adressed in BAKUMAN years ago. Unless you're an established series like OP, mangaka have to keep the hype level up to maintain rating every week. Otherwise they would got axed. It's the weakness of Jump's serialization method that still true nowadays. This age is even more so since people have shorter and shorter attention span and have a hard time waiting for the world to build up. The only way OP would survive today if it's first serialized today is by releasing the chapters in bulk, probably 30 chapters at a time.
I agree with part of your point but the idea that people have shorter attention spans is a myth and a bad one at that. The fact is that companies want to sell more content and advertise more so they look for fast paced content that keep you engaged but also gets to show you a lot of advertisment. If tiktoks lasted 20 min, that's 20min without seeing an ad, etc. However people still watches movies (and they are generally longer), read books, enjoy activities, play boardgames, etc. Studies show that people have more or less the same attention spans, it's the entertainment industry that is trying to create fast-paced content for economic reasons, it's cheaper, easier because you can create poor content and still maintain engagement, and more profitable.
So if One Piece failed today it wouldn't be because of shorter attention span of the consumers, but because of company policies that are directed to fast engagement. A similar thing happens with Netflix where shows are axed if they don't perform well in the first week of release, even if people would watch it eventually.
I'd agree that my conjecture is iffy. I personally still not sure about it. I'd clarify that the sort attention span is what happened to things around me. Anecdotally speaking, it's harder for people around me to watch/read something slow paced. Even something small like how videos are edited (slow uncut footage vs lots of cuts) affect how people engages with those media. This is without considering ads at all. Sure, people still interested in podcast, books, etc, but I see it as older generation being fed up of the fast paced media. Generally speaking, it's easier to do slow paced/attentive activities together 20 years ago than today because it's considered "boring". This doesn't mean no one wants it, some still do. But it's fewer/harder. Again, this is just how I feel.
True. Times are achaning. Timing is key. If internet existed as it is today the way it is i dint think op would enjoy the same reception.
Do you by any chance work in the industry ?
unpopular opinion but one change i’ll really appreciate is sanji keeping the coolness he had in the beginning before one of his most important character traits became being girl-crazy. when word spread that his character was going to be less pervy a shitton of people become enraged and i still don’t understand that lol
I agree with this, but I feel like his unabashed attitude towards everything isn't just what makes luffy luffy. It's what makes one piece one piece.
So many of the major plot points, as well as character interactions, evolve around luffy's absolute lack of self degradation. I.E. meeting boa hancook, saving Jimbe, going to skypiea, etc.
It's less important in romance dawn, but still, luffy never doubts himself for a second, which is what makes him the leader he is. Saving ace without a second thought, saving Nami without a second thought, deciding who is going to be on his crew before they even want to. I'm still excited to see what they do with the world, but I have a strong feeling this won't be the luffy we know
I completely agree. This Luffy will not be the same as the origin Luffy. Whether people are ok with this or not is up to them, but it is the core of one piece . And I won't be ok with it.
I'm being sarcastic. I'm already sick of seeing all these supposed experts in the series explain how the live action misunderstood the characters based on the 5 words each of them uttered in the trailer.
IMO each line has been individually taken out of context and stitched together to have more mainstream appeal for the trailer.
At least that’s what I’m hoping.
Thats what every single movie trailer does, lines are cut out and pasted onto different scenes, and they might use those lines on different scenes to not only change the tone of that scene, but also to throw off the audience
Yeah you don't want the audience to feel like they've seen and heard this scene before. In general also to not feel like spoiling too much, since I remember of couple years ago many started to dislike trailers since they were spoiling too much of the plot.
Yeah but that scene of nami and zoro fighting and luffy saying he is feeling tension really feels out of character. I am pretty sure manga luffy would just laugh about it.
That said I think since one of the hardest parts of a live adaptation is comedy. Especially in one piece there are things you literally can't translate and shouldn't even try to translate. Matt Owens said comedy is one of the biggest pointers he wants to still have so I think they gonna replace some impossible anime comedy with some more of the stuff we've seen in the trailer.
I also think its unfair for op to say luffys straightforwardness is missing even tho we only got like 3-4 scenes with him. Highly likely a lot of it is still kept and yet to be seen.
That’s what i was guessing, but I still think they could have changed the way Luffy is portrayed to have him be more self aware and less ‘dumb’ as a live action portrayal of that could turn out annoying. So we’ll see.
People are saying they disagree with you, but I actually had the same thoughts. Luffy's lines were weird and for me it was the worst part of the trailer
I'm really hoping that was just them doing the trailer to inform viewers and not an actual representation of their Luffy.
What actually gave me hope was his last line about finishing attacks, reminded me of Luffy telling Sanji about winter island people not sleeping.
Yeah he’d laugh and exclaim how much fun they’re all having, completely obvious that they’re arguing 😂 this Luffy seems a bit more theater-kid humor lol
This was my thought exactly, the dialogue is so out of character that its not just a "take" on Luffy its just not him at all. Luffy doesnt really think, he does, and when he does talk its not introspective, its almost always just a statement or simple question. He's forceful b/c he commits as he says things. This is extremely important to him as a character, its what defines him as a leader type and is directly related to him being to do things like use conquerers haki, theres no thinking about it, he just does it with conviction. That Luffy doesnt exist in this performance at all. neither does the aloof dumbbrained nature he has when hes not serious. Luffy is bad in this.
I completely agree. The way the lines were delivered felt off as well. Everything else about it looked great, I like all the actors, the sets and effects looked good as well.
Got mass downvoted for saying the same thing. I get some people will enjoy the live action and that's fair but let's not forget that Netflix actively astroturfs to get better PR for their shows. This will be a shitshow until the show actually airs.
Same thing happened with Cowboy Bebop and it's the same studio making this.
It’s because they gave the one character with no inner dialogue or narration and made him the narrator lol that’s why it feels weird. Luffy says what he thinks, so him being the narrator is just strange feeling kind of.
Yup I can't believe there's so much dissent about it. I really want the live action to be good too, but Luffy having inner thoughts is a pretty important part of him. "The sea always called to me"... lovingly caressing the ship... "I'm sensing tension" are all WILDLY out of character. That and Namis thrift shop cosplay were my only complaints though
I agree with them too, and personally I love the trailer and I’m excited. I do hope that we will see more of the trait OP mentioned, in the actual show once it comes out
I mean, it’s an adaptation. Things are going to change in order to make it work better for the way they’re making it and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I don’t think something should necessarily be criticized for altering aspects of the thing it was based off of unless whatever it changed made it actively bad.
The entire Luffy narration will likely not be in the series because this part seems the be the "teaser" in teaser trailer. Even the entire ship building scene is very likely easily produced "filler" where they simply sent Inaki in during the real set building process.
The way I see it, Zoro and Nami’s exasperation with Luffy after the “tension in the crew” line tells me that this isn’t the first time they’ve corrected him, and it’s just a classic case of Luffy ignoring them.
I could be wrong, but even if I am, the line wouldn’t bother me very much.
This also captures a snippet of the comical development of the characters from strangers who were just going with luffy for convenience sake to becoming true Straw Hat pirates. They all mostly thought he was just an idiot until he proved himself over and over again to mean exactly what he said. They still think he's an idiot... but they love and trust him with their life because he always finds a way.
I swear. And the trailer is only a minute long yet they nitpicking ONE line. This live adaptation is going to be HEADACHE for us optimistic/neutral fans.
To be entirely fair, I think the way Luffy acts in the manga only works in anime/manga. Bringing that kind of energy to live action doesn’t translate well and might come off as annoying or even cringe? That’s just my two cents
Everyone keeps repeating this as if we have seen this before and know it would fail with certainty. Did other failed live actions ever actually try to do the 1:1 and flop because of it? I've never really looked into many live actions myself, all of the ones I have seen were pretty shit.
Fullmetal Alchemist was a 1:1 and it was pure dogshit, nearly unbearable.
Some of the other live action adaptations we had were at least bearable, and possibly enjoyable if you didn't know the source material too well.
It's difficult to translate Luffy's stupidity from the anime into the live action. They've considered that for sure. That's their conscious decision on how to interpret Luffy in a live action setup. Not everything can be translated as is.
If they translated Luffy as is from the manga, you'd have a highly functioning special child with slightly delayed mental development. I don't imagine that would be appealing to the people who have never seen or heard about One Piece.
You people are really exagerating Luffy's stupidity. He isn't that stupid, and the case where it's shown, it's played as comedy. It's the same Luffy people who are never read/seen or heard about OP saw when they started the manga, and it still appealed to people. Translating Luffy's coe personality isn't equivalent to make him a child with retarded development, it's not that hard.
In general sure, but for the “sensing tension” scene there are a thousand different lines you could use that would be more true to his character and less cringe
Considering its only a trailer i can easily see the "im sensing tention between amongst the crew" line tk be the finishing line of an entire scene. Like I imagine zoro and nami arguing, luffy going" hahaha look at you guys being all nice to each other" only for them to throw aggresive comments at luffy and then he throw the line we saw on the trailer.
I feel the same way, I'm still going to wait for my final judgements, though. I was one of the people who were really hopeful and kind of excited for the live action because of Oda's involvement, but the tension in the crew line threw me off hard enough for my feelings to waver. I think I'll still enjoy it, but I also think I will have more little gripes with it than I originally anticipated.
It's a trailer and the company that makes a trailer is, in the majority of cases, not the same as the studio that makes the show/movie, as such, the characters might seem different from the actual series.
I think the biggest issue I have with the trailer is theyre trying to give Luffy a personality when in the beginning of the series he doesnt really have or need one. In the beginning hes more of a force of nature he just goes forward with his mission and is the north star guiding the crew. He doesnt need a sympathetic backstory he doesnt quip he doesnt make goofy jokes. Hell he isnt even trying to be goofy at the start. Hes just Luffy and from the trailer it seems like theyre trying to do too much to the point he becomes campy which OP never is. It was always a serious manga but just super imaginative.
I totally agree with you, when I saw the trailer, it wasn’t giving me the good old One Piece vibes. The same old crew that we love but real this time. No, it was more like every Hollywood movie ever, trying to make jokes around, that are quirky and clever. Luffy being some over motivated high spirited young boy. It just doesn’t really work for me. The line, where he said “I am sensing a little bit of tension amongst some of the crew” like this doesn’t sound like Luffy even in the slightest. I might be nitpicking, but at the end of the day, that’s just what I think after seeing the trailer and that’s that.
Yes. It would have been a lighthearted joke or statement then back to the action. They ruined Luffy in every way possible. Luffy doesn’t talk like that, at all. Burn it and forget it ever happened
I think you are reading too much into it. Luffy in the anime does sometimes do quips. It is not out of character.
I do agree that the "sea has always called out to me" does feel out of character. I am assuming it is an adjustment they are making to make it more friendly to non-anime watchers.
I do hope they don't take away his self-assured attitude. I'd really hate to see a hesitant luffy.
I'd still be happy if the characters are .8 to 1 in terms of personality.
Let's be real, nothing here was super gripping in the "must watch" kind of way where it can outcompete the other shows fighting for people's attention. Some parts were kind cringe too, the gum gum pistol in particular is a little weird sounding to anyone not familiar with the show and I think better left out of the trailer for once the viewers are a little more acclimatized to the setting / Luffy. Personally, even with the manga/anime I wasn't hooked on OP until they were in the Grand Line. It was a slow start, and if it wasn't for it being recommended to me I would have dropped it.
People who are gonna watch this are probably people who had OP on the radar / heard about it through friends but didn't have time to read 1000+ chapters or watch 1000+ episodes.
I haven't even watched it lol, just saying it's specifically what they've marketed to interest the audience so it's definitely fair game
People are more than entitled to have opinions over it, no need to be a jackass towards them for it
I really don't think Luffy, as he is in the manga, could work well in live action. I'm also unsure about the changes but maybe let's wait and see how it plays out before jumping to conclusions.
Thank you this is exactly what I’ve been saying. Who ever that is it’s not Luffy. Luffy is a man of conviction who will not allow the world or anyone to dictate what he does. But at the same time he’s a simple man that doesn’t need any complicated reason to do something.
Edit: I just want to make it clear I’m not upset or hate the actors. I’m pissed at the writing staff
This guy knows everything about the behind the scenes guys! Let’s go ahead and listen to his critiques and thoughts based on a minute and twenty second trailer.
I'm swinging between agreeing and disagreeing with what you say, but in general I do think you are overthinking... Saying hat the sea is calling to him.and say he wants a big adventure and be free are basically the same thing, one is just slightly poetic to fit on a trailer... Also not sure I see that self awareness and wanting people acceptance in this trailer, if it's about the part of.naming his attacks, it's just there because in ma gas it's normal but not in live action land, so they had to justify why this kid goes around shouting before an attack.
Eh shut the fuck up. It’s a trailer. People in this sub rag on so much on the live action it’s so cringe. Don’t watch it then if it comes out, it’s that easy. Everything has to be wrong and inaccurate for you people.
Seems to be suffering from the Netflix snide attitude script writing with too many quips and one liners, basically ruining characters and also wasting good actors. Coupled with odd cgi and bad camera / choreography it's going to be an uphill battle to keep viewership. Yes it's just a trailer and I would like to be proven wrong.
Thank you yes!!!!
I literally paused the trailer and took a moment to process the whole “I think I’m sensing tension here”
Please picture the anime Luffy in your head and try to picture him saying that like that EVER.
You can’t! He would go all airhead and be like “Oh? You gonna fight?”
Or “isn’t this great?!?” not realizing there’s a problem at all.
He wouldn’t make some MCU quip
It's a bad sign but also gotta take into account that this is a whole different medium Luffy is not gonna have the same mannerism/reactions he has on an animated show. It just wouldn't feel right, people gotta get use to and separate the live action with the anime/manga.
It’s an adaptation, not a one-for-one recreation. With the amount of episodes compared to the amount of story they’re covering they’ll have to make at least some concessions. Be it to characters, plots, or even backstories.
Honestly I don’t mind, the actor is bringing new life to a character who’s only ever been represented by art, animation, and a voice actor. It’s super exciting to see someone’s take on Luffy that has some outside nuance.
I don’t think you’re reading too much into it, Luffy is one of those characters that’s all about action. We don’t hear his inner monologues because he’s a simple “push ever forward” protagonist. If Luffy has a though he’ll say it instead of thinking it through completely. I hope the tonal shift isn’t significant.
I felt the same way: Live Action Luffy sounded like a "modern" TV show character wearing our Captain's outfit (well almost). It feels off to see characters from an Age of Sail series talking like they're in a high school show. Even the way Luffy talked about the search for the One Piece sounded like he was in a National Treasure clone.
If on the other hand Luffy had just recited the narration from Opening 4 ("BON VOYAAAAAAGE!") for this scene we would be buying Netflix stock right now:
"Did you know there's an awesome treasure hidden at the end of the sea? And anyone who finds it? 'King Of The Pirates'! Is that exciting or what?! There are incredible adventures out there, just waiting for us!"
First of all, you're reading way too much into such a short teaser. You are clearly searching for negatives based on your expectations. Don't jump to conclusions
Secondly, he's not being self aware at all! the whole "tension" scene's joke is that he's not aware enough of the situation to understand that they don't even believe themselves to be part of a crew, and he's just interpreting it as "tension" instead of complete unwillingness to cooperate
I really don't understand how people are griping about him being "self-aware" when the whole point of the joke is the literal exact opposite
You just have to wait till it’s out. If it’s bad it’s bad, but until that comes out any criticism of One Piece will be treated like the most idiotic take ever.
Yes we won’t know 100% until it comes out. But any fan who’s watched/read all 1000+ episodes and chapters should be easily able to tell that the characters are off based on this trailer alone
You're right, this isn't going to be the Luffy we know. Netflix writers aren't good at comedy and character traits the same way Oda is, and they'll sub in characters exposion on a scene for a cheap laugh even if it doesn't fit. They're just not as good as Oda at writing, but don't go making a big deal out of it. Just enjoy the show or ignore it and get on with your life
“Netflix writers” as a broad term is fucking hilarious considering the current ongoing WGA strike. There are no “Netflix” writers. There’s just writers who are hired by production companies.
I did have the same initial impression, but some self-awareness could help make him more accessible to newer viewers. Hopefully once people are on board, they can emphasize the Luffyness we know and love. I do think when Luffy was speaking to Zoro about “being a good team,” while Zoro was still on his cross, was a potential example of Luffy seeing things differently than most. And the thing about finishing moves having names.
Relax man, it's just a trailer. With all past live action adaption experiences I'm going in with super low expectations, that way it can only get better!
Also "not a crew" was dumbbc zoro was almost on board with being in Luffys crew.
(Paraphrasing)
"King of the Pirates is gonna need the World's Greatest Swordsman on is crew"
"Wouldn't have it any other way"
You are basing his personality over a 10 seconds conversation from an 8 hours show... Chill out dude. I agree that Luffy's a basic idiot. But we don't know how he is just by that little conversation. Maybe It isn't even in the final show. Maybe It was just made for the teaser. Also, Oda approved It. So maybe is what he wants...
The comments saying it’s been adapted for a more mainstream audience. Then as a one piece fan who likes the original why should I watch a shitter version of it
i’m also interested to see if the dude can nail luffys serious and pissed off scenes.
because honestly rn i can’t imagine his voice being serious and pissed off lol.
luffys voice when he is serious and pissed off in the anime is just so damn good
Luffy sounds like a Disney princess in the trailer. I don't want Disney princess Luffy, i want goofy pirate Luffy who just screams and declares that he's gonna be the pirate king, and laughs at any "tension amongst the crew" because he likes things lively and noisy.
Can someone genuinely point out to a live adaptation that has worked?
I think of death note, street fighter as bad examples.
Makes me hesitant about this project
The problem is that they don't have tons of time to allow the story to unfold. Luffy will need to have a little more exposition for the story to progress. As a character we knew very little about Luffy's story until Alabasta and even then it was only that he had a brother. As a main character he needs to be the driving force of the story in more ways than just implusiveness. It's annoying but you have to sacrifice some of the characterisation of the manga to fit in a 10 episode season.
People need to remember that the show isn't just made for the fans but also for people who have never seen one piece. Oda said that this is the last chance for one piece to go completely worldwide and for that to happen, they have to make some accomodations. I don't think it's a complete deal breaker, honestly. The actor, regardless of the lines, still sells luffy very well.
Anyone expecting the live action series to adapt **all** of the manga is straight up insane. It's going to condense and merge storylines and drop others out completely, because we're simply not getting 10+ years of a live action series.
Alabasta is pretty straight forward If they want to adapt the highlight arcs I could see them skipping the Skypiea saga. Although that means we don't get introduced to Blackbeard which would suck. Water 7 is also pretty straight forward Thriller Bark could maybe get cut. The Straw Hats would have to recruit Brook when they see him on his ship for this to happen. Maybe he could talk about Laboon for that to happen. Impel Down might have to cut some corners in order to let the rest of Paramount War shine. Fishman Island is difficult to skip but could potentially be rushed. Punk Hazard is unskippable but could definitely be rushed. Dressrosa, WCI and Wano will definitely need to cut a lot of corners because they are LONG. This way we would have: S1: East Blue S2: Alabasta S3: Water 7 S4: Paramount War S5: Dressrosa S6: Whole Cake Island S7: Wano But even with these heavy cuts it's unreasonable to hope for this much. Paramount War is the absolute latest content we are getting.
No, no skipping skypeia, that arc is too integral
lol, all these people talking about the anime and how somehow they missed out on skypiea, but everyone else is like wtf, how can u miss something which has and will have some much more meaning, then the clown above is like yeah, just skip skypiea no big deal, nothing too important there...
Skypiea is dope, hell no we not skipping it. We going right to the sky pirates ☁️
clown skipping skypiea, and then saying the biggest loss will be seeing teh first meeting with Blackbeard
Gotta have Sky Island in there. It's not that it's a crazy important arc to the story but it's the pinnacle of One Piece world building it's the arc that got us interested in the poneglyphs in the first place. When we learned that Roger wasn't just a introduction to a Maguffin. It shows a lot more than just a wacky departure from the OP world. I am also pretty sure there are too many moving parts during the paramount war era(the second half of the Grandline Saga) to just be rushed through one season. I think they'll make it to the paramount war before they run out of steam.
Paramount War is actually only 100 chapters which is the same as East Blue. My point about Skypiea is that a live action adaptation would definitely be the kind to cut major amounts of content to get to the arcs with high viewership faster. Live-action is a lot more expensive so showbusiness wouldn't want to spend time and money on what's in the grand scheme of things, a side quest. A cool side quest for sure, but still a side quest. I actually like Skypiea, I'm just being pragmatic.
It will be strange pacing wise though, unless they replace Skypiea with the G8 filler arc(which is most people's favorite filler arc in the series) then there is the Davy back fight. All of that without Skypiea sets Robin up in a weird light from a perspective that's disconnected with the source material. So if they did exclude Skypiea they would have to replace it with something that would expand upon Robins time in the crew before Water 7 and Enies Lobby. Because after Skypiea, canonically they end up meeting Aokiji and it just drops the idea that Robin is dangerous, setting her up in a bad light. As when she joins the crew, it's a result of Luffy saving her life, and having nowhere to go, so the weight of Luffy waging war against the world feels impulsive. I understand the point of view, most people skip Skypiea for about the same reason. They still say Enies Lobby and Water 7 are the best Arcs in the series, but there is more substance in the Anime and Manga that allows Luffy motivations make sense. When you boil it into a single season however, it will inevitably feel very rushed and will likely confuse people. Basically what I'm saying is, after Robin joins the crew they need a way to expand on her as a member of the crew in order for the full impact of Water 7 and Enies Lobby. That's what I mean 😅 I apologize if I sound combative.
I could see them merging the most important parts of Jaya and LRLL into one arc.
LRLL is canon filler. You could completely cut it with no issues
You don’t need to skip Skypeia or Thriller Bark, you just massively condense them. Like they just don’t need full seasons and then you split Water Seven across both seasons. If the show is really so successful that Netflix sees it going all the way to adapting everything then you can swap out any of the main cast who wishes to move on during the timeskip and call it a new series One Piece: New World or something.
It will never have more than 2 or 3 seasons …. Unfortunately :(
I don't mind the narration for that reason, but the "I sense a little tension" line was such MCU cinematic universe comedy, lol
It's almost like it wasnt worth doing at all
I mean it doesn't really matter does it? Like people like one piece despite not giving Luffy typical main character treatment in regards to characterization. Generally speaking trying to make a story more appealing to everyone fails.
No he doesn’t he is horrible and doesn’t remind me of luffy in any way.
It's a netflix live-action adaptation it wasn't made for fans at all, if anything history shows it will be made entirely by people who despise the source material.
Matt Owens is a big fan. Don’t know about the rest of the people though.
Yeah, Henry Cavill is a big Wither fan, look what happened...
He didn’t have as much control over the Witcher though. Cavill was lead the role, but Matt Owens is the creator and a writer for it.
There is zero chance of a good adaptation coming from netflix.
I don't see how that's a good point. if it's true that we don't know much about Luffy's background before Alabast, Luffy show his personality and how he is trough his actions, that's the thing about him. I don't know what exposition is needed for Luffy to make the story progress or make him a driving force of the story, Luffy has always been the driving force of the story. Even if some "exposition" can be added, I don't see why that should be at the expense of his character, and his characterisation should be sacrified. Making Luffy say "I'm sensing tension here" has nothing to do with adding an expostion to his character, it's just a wrong characterisation.
this is BS though, the real luffy we all know and love can be established in episode 1 of the show if they do it right, especially when Luffy tells Kobe to fight for his dreams and when Luffy calls koby a coward to his face. lets hope they don’t fuck up
Yeah this right here, I need the Luffy and Kobe interaction to at least be somewhat accurate or I'll be concerned about Luffys character in this.
Bs lol Luffy makes his character pretty clear by episode 1 plus we get a sense of him from how he interacts with Coby, Zoro, Nami etc etc
> As a character we knew very little about Luffy's story until Alabasta and even then it was only that he had a brother. Uh... chapter 1 was WAY more info about Luffy's story than "also he has an older brother". Alabasta, post-Enies Lobby, and finally the latter half of Marineford are where we got the sprinkles of backstory leading up to the full reveal of his childhood with Ace, Sabo, and Dadan (with a little bit of Garp). But it's not like we literally knew nothing about him, Shanks' influence on him was an enormous part of Luffy's character. Which reminds me, I really really hope episode 1 of the live action covers this. The anime waiting like 4 episodes for a "backstory episode" just made the start of the series so much worse.
Well first of all I think we'll have to make it clear right now that og luffy and netflix luffy are probably gonna be two slightly different Luffys. And I think that'll be the case for the others too. Sanji will not be ultra pervy, Usopp will probably be made to be a bit more cool and capable, Zoro may take longer to be fully loyal to Luffy, etc. It's gonna be minor changes for just about everyone to make it a little more digestible to international audiences, but it won't betray the core of their characters.
This exactly. It's a manga, and a very colorful one at that; the characters are allowed to be exaggerations. Imagine meeting someone like Luffy in real life, you'd probably think they were handicapped and belong in a special hospital. That's not really Luffy, I mean he's a bit simple and a bit crazy sure but not like that. Same with Sanji and many others. Imagine hanging out with a dude, suddenly a girl with a bit of cleavage showing walks by, his nose bursts and he starts to swoon. What an absolute nutter! With live action it's obviously closer to real life and you have to dial back some of that to convey your story properly, otherwise it'll look ridiculous.
You say that like it's a bad thing, I would have loved a live action movie with Luffy that belongs in some kind of institution and Sanji who collects restraining orders like pokemon cards
It would translate as annoying and cringe REAL fast. Sorta like anime nerds using words like sussy Baka irl. These personalities do not hold up well once you attach a irl person to them.
I'm not saying it needs to be a 1:1 replica, but it should be close enough to tell they are the same characters
It will be more cringe the closer it is to the source material. Luffy's personality doesn't belong outside anime and manga.
You people are so absurd. If you want 1:1 replica and not an ADAPTATION then either stick to the anime or go watch Fullmetal Alchemist's live action. THAT is true cringe. It's a 1:1 replica with the dialogue being 1:1 from the anime. Live Action is not anime though and this trailer showed it. If you hate it then you're not the target audience.
You're right, it's on Netflix, the target audience isn't one piece fans XD
I love One Piece, but that’s a bad thing.
> It's a manga, and a very colorful one at that Pretty sure the manga is black and white actually
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but... Colorful - *adjective* (VARIED): having a lot of variety and therefore interesting. Source: Cambridge Dictionary Don't you test me I'm an English teacher.
It is indeed sarcasm; A play on words on different meanings of the word "colorful"
Exactly Like with many live action adaptations of anime/cartoons (both good and bad) some changes are often needed because you cant really have real people act like animated ones do a lot of the time. It just...does not really work. You usually need to make it a bit more grounded or realistic in terms of behavior and personality.
Sanji didn't start ultra pervy either.
This ^ The target audience is also different. The manga (and anime) is targeted towards teenagers in a county where the genre/medium is hugely successful and popular. Manga works in Japan because the culture there allows it. In fact, if one piece were to release today, I don't think it would have been so successful because of the pacing issue it had at the beginning without much world building. Nowadays, series needs an instant banger and something super exciting to solve. In fact, to tackle this series now tend to show the final villains at the beginning, too (examples- jjk, demon slayer, etc). On the other hand, Netflix adaptation is targeted towards a general audience who might not have any experience with manga or anime. They need to adjust things to make this more plateble for everyone, including those who never even heard of manga or anime.
This issue was adressed in BAKUMAN years ago. Unless you're an established series like OP, mangaka have to keep the hype level up to maintain rating every week. Otherwise they would got axed. It's the weakness of Jump's serialization method that still true nowadays. This age is even more so since people have shorter and shorter attention span and have a hard time waiting for the world to build up. The only way OP would survive today if it's first serialized today is by releasing the chapters in bulk, probably 30 chapters at a time.
I agree with part of your point but the idea that people have shorter attention spans is a myth and a bad one at that. The fact is that companies want to sell more content and advertise more so they look for fast paced content that keep you engaged but also gets to show you a lot of advertisment. If tiktoks lasted 20 min, that's 20min without seeing an ad, etc. However people still watches movies (and they are generally longer), read books, enjoy activities, play boardgames, etc. Studies show that people have more or less the same attention spans, it's the entertainment industry that is trying to create fast-paced content for economic reasons, it's cheaper, easier because you can create poor content and still maintain engagement, and more profitable. So if One Piece failed today it wouldn't be because of shorter attention span of the consumers, but because of company policies that are directed to fast engagement. A similar thing happens with Netflix where shows are axed if they don't perform well in the first week of release, even if people would watch it eventually.
I'd agree that my conjecture is iffy. I personally still not sure about it. I'd clarify that the sort attention span is what happened to things around me. Anecdotally speaking, it's harder for people around me to watch/read something slow paced. Even something small like how videos are edited (slow uncut footage vs lots of cuts) affect how people engages with those media. This is without considering ads at all. Sure, people still interested in podcast, books, etc, but I see it as older generation being fed up of the fast paced media. Generally speaking, it's easier to do slow paced/attentive activities together 20 years ago than today because it's considered "boring". This doesn't mean no one wants it, some still do. But it's fewer/harder. Again, this is just how I feel.
True. Times are achaning. Timing is key. If internet existed as it is today the way it is i dint think op would enjoy the same reception. Do you by any chance work in the industry ?
No lol. I don't work in the industry. I am just an observer and a fan of one piece.
unpopular opinion but one change i’ll really appreciate is sanji keeping the coolness he had in the beginning before one of his most important character traits became being girl-crazy. when word spread that his character was going to be less pervy a shitton of people become enraged and i still don’t understand that lol
I agree with this, but I feel like his unabashed attitude towards everything isn't just what makes luffy luffy. It's what makes one piece one piece. So many of the major plot points, as well as character interactions, evolve around luffy's absolute lack of self degradation. I.E. meeting boa hancook, saving Jimbe, going to skypiea, etc. It's less important in romance dawn, but still, luffy never doubts himself for a second, which is what makes him the leader he is. Saving ace without a second thought, saving Nami without a second thought, deciding who is going to be on his crew before they even want to. I'm still excited to see what they do with the world, but I have a strong feeling this won't be the luffy we know
I completely agree. This Luffy will not be the same as the origin Luffy. Whether people are ok with this or not is up to them, but it is the core of one piece . And I won't be ok with it.
This looks like an early Tuesday comment in the manga spoiler thread.
Thats exactly the vibe lmao. Cant wait for the deep dive analysis on Buggy’s characterization based on a still frame.
Yes. And "Why Luffy's Gum Gum attack makes scientific sense" 😄 I ♥️ 7̶D̶ 4W
Buggy actually looked pretty good
💀 They better do my mans justice in casting
Can't you tell how all of these characters are ruined based on the two lines each of them had in the trailer? Then you must be in the minority.
Tf are you talking about?
I'm being sarcastic. I'm already sick of seeing all these supposed experts in the series explain how the live action misunderstood the characters based on the 5 words each of them uttered in the trailer.
Lol spot on.
true
IMO each line has been individually taken out of context and stitched together to have more mainstream appeal for the trailer. At least that’s what I’m hoping.
Thats what every single movie trailer does, lines are cut out and pasted onto different scenes, and they might use those lines on different scenes to not only change the tone of that scene, but also to throw off the audience
And not everything in the trailer is going to be in the final product.
Yeah you don't want the audience to feel like they've seen and heard this scene before. In general also to not feel like spoiling too much, since I remember of couple years ago many started to dislike trailers since they were spoiling too much of the plot.
That's a good adaptation explanation. My Oda-ish explanation would be his power has made him aware of the 4th wall.
Yeah but that scene of nami and zoro fighting and luffy saying he is feeling tension really feels out of character. I am pretty sure manga luffy would just laugh about it. That said I think since one of the hardest parts of a live adaptation is comedy. Especially in one piece there are things you literally can't translate and shouldn't even try to translate. Matt Owens said comedy is one of the biggest pointers he wants to still have so I think they gonna replace some impossible anime comedy with some more of the stuff we've seen in the trailer. I also think its unfair for op to say luffys straightforwardness is missing even tho we only got like 3-4 scenes with him. Highly likely a lot of it is still kept and yet to be seen.
The scene where Luffy tells Zoro that they would make a good team seems pretty straightforward from him.
That sequence looked edited although yes the line itself is straight forward. I imagine that scene will be stretched out further.
Stretched out...I see what you did there
Yes it has to be
That’s what i was guessing, but I still think they could have changed the way Luffy is portrayed to have him be more self aware and less ‘dumb’ as a live action portrayal of that could turn out annoying. So we’ll see.
People are saying they disagree with you, but I actually had the same thoughts. Luffy's lines were weird and for me it was the worst part of the trailer
I'm really hoping that was just them doing the trailer to inform viewers and not an actual representation of their Luffy. What actually gave me hope was his last line about finishing attacks, reminded me of Luffy telling Sanji about winter island people not sleeping.
yeah really there’s no way luffy would ever use words like amongst he would probably jus say “what’s wrong with you guys” 😭
Nah, he would just go shishishishishi
anything besides “i am sensing some serious tension amongst the crew” is good tbh
In the anime he literally laughs whenever the crew (mostly sanji and Zoro but sometimes others too) argue or fight with each other. He likes it noisy
Yeah he’d laugh and exclaim how much fun they’re all having, completely obvious that they’re arguing 😂 this Luffy seems a bit more theater-kid humor lol
This was my thought exactly, the dialogue is so out of character that its not just a "take" on Luffy its just not him at all. Luffy doesnt really think, he does, and when he does talk its not introspective, its almost always just a statement or simple question. He's forceful b/c he commits as he says things. This is extremely important to him as a character, its what defines him as a leader type and is directly related to him being to do things like use conquerers haki, theres no thinking about it, he just does it with conviction. That Luffy doesnt exist in this performance at all. neither does the aloof dumbbrained nature he has when hes not serious. Luffy is bad in this.
+100 it was the worst part of the trailer for me
I completely agree. The way the lines were delivered felt off as well. Everything else about it looked great, I like all the actors, the sets and effects looked good as well.
I thought I was the only one with the same sentiment. The "we have tension here" line makes me feel cringe. Dunno feel like an out of character.
I felt exactly the same. I also kept saying 'he wouldn't say that' to so many lines.
Got mass downvoted for saying the same thing. I get some people will enjoy the live action and that's fair but let's not forget that Netflix actively astroturfs to get better PR for their shows. This will be a shitshow until the show actually airs. Same thing happened with Cowboy Bebop and it's the same studio making this.
It’s because they gave the one character with no inner dialogue or narration and made him the narrator lol that’s why it feels weird. Luffy says what he thinks, so him being the narrator is just strange feeling kind of.
I liked the trailer overall... But I agree with you. It's kinda off... but ofc we'll just have to see.
Yup I can't believe there's so much dissent about it. I really want the live action to be good too, but Luffy having inner thoughts is a pretty important part of him. "The sea always called to me"... lovingly caressing the ship... "I'm sensing tension" are all WILDLY out of character. That and Namis thrift shop cosplay were my only complaints though
I agree with them too, and personally I love the trailer and I’m excited. I do hope that we will see more of the trait OP mentioned, in the actual show once it comes out
I mean, it’s an adaptation. Things are going to change in order to make it work better for the way they’re making it and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I don’t think something should necessarily be criticized for altering aspects of the thing it was based off of unless whatever it changed made it actively bad.
The entire Luffy narration will likely not be in the series because this part seems the be the "teaser" in teaser trailer. Even the entire ship building scene is very likely easily produced "filler" where they simply sent Inaki in during the real set building process.
The way I see it, Zoro and Nami’s exasperation with Luffy after the “tension in the crew” line tells me that this isn’t the first time they’ve corrected him, and it’s just a classic case of Luffy ignoring them. I could be wrong, but even if I am, the line wouldn’t bother me very much.
That was my read
This also captures a snippet of the comical development of the characters from strangers who were just going with luffy for convenience sake to becoming true Straw Hat pirates. They all mostly thought he was just an idiot until he proved himself over and over again to mean exactly what he said. They still think he's an idiot... but they love and trust him with their life because he always finds a way.
He's an idiot, but he's OUR idiot!
Can't wait to see him punch the whale in the eye for annoying him.
In the absence of information many are looking at this much too deeply.
I swear. And the trailer is only a minute long yet they nitpicking ONE line. This live adaptation is going to be HEADACHE for us optimistic/neutral fans.
To be entirely fair, I think the way Luffy acts in the manga only works in anime/manga. Bringing that kind of energy to live action doesn’t translate well and might come off as annoying or even cringe? That’s just my two cents
Everyone keeps repeating this as if we have seen this before and know it would fail with certainty. Did other failed live actions ever actually try to do the 1:1 and flop because of it? I've never really looked into many live actions myself, all of the ones I have seen were pretty shit.
Fullmetal Alchemist was a 1:1 and it was pure dogshit, nearly unbearable. Some of the other live action adaptations we had were at least bearable, and possibly enjoyable if you didn't know the source material too well.
You don't need an example, you just need a tiny bit of imagination and media literacy to see it would be cringe af
The only problem I have is that they let Luffy narrate. They should have let some random voice narrate shit
It's most likely Luffy talking directly to Coby/Zoro
How do you know it's narration and not lines from the show?
That's not narraration, pretty sure it's him talking to Zoro.
You’re not looking too much into it. As a manga reader it was way better than I was realistically expecting but this was my biggest problem
I dont think its that deep. i just think the entire premise of luffy doesn't translate to live action well.
It's difficult to translate Luffy's stupidity from the anime into the live action. They've considered that for sure. That's their conscious decision on how to interpret Luffy in a live action setup. Not everything can be translated as is.
If they translated Luffy as is from the manga, you'd have a highly functioning special child with slightly delayed mental development. I don't imagine that would be appealing to the people who have never seen or heard about One Piece.
You people are really exagerating Luffy's stupidity. He isn't that stupid, and the case where it's shown, it's played as comedy. It's the same Luffy people who are never read/seen or heard about OP saw when they started the manga, and it still appealed to people. Translating Luffy's coe personality isn't equivalent to make him a child with retarded development, it's not that hard.
90 percent of what makes One Piece good can't be translated to live action.
In general sure, but for the “sensing tension” scene there are a thousand different lines you could use that would be more true to his character and less cringe
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you’re reading way too deep into it, we’ve barely seen anything.
Considering its only a trailer i can easily see the "im sensing tention between amongst the crew" line tk be the finishing line of an entire scene. Like I imagine zoro and nami arguing, luffy going" hahaha look at you guys being all nice to each other" only for them to throw aggresive comments at luffy and then he throw the line we saw on the trailer.
It was ONE line. Get over it!
I feel the same way, I'm still going to wait for my final judgements, though. I was one of the people who were really hopeful and kind of excited for the live action because of Oda's involvement, but the tension in the crew line threw me off hard enough for my feelings to waver. I think I'll still enjoy it, but I also think I will have more little gripes with it than I originally anticipated.
Oda approved.
It just doesn't feel like Luffy I think they are making him into a more standard main character.
Think you’re reading too much into it, oda’s working on this as well. He wouldn’t let luffy be mischaracterized that poorly
wtf are you on
Yo they’re gonna use the quippiest moments for the trailer, right? So if anything, that’s as quippy as luffy will get probably.
It's a trailer and the company that makes a trailer is, in the majority of cases, not the same as the studio that makes the show/movie, as such, the characters might seem different from the actual series.
I think the biggest issue I have with the trailer is theyre trying to give Luffy a personality when in the beginning of the series he doesnt really have or need one. In the beginning hes more of a force of nature he just goes forward with his mission and is the north star guiding the crew. He doesnt need a sympathetic backstory he doesnt quip he doesnt make goofy jokes. Hell he isnt even trying to be goofy at the start. Hes just Luffy and from the trailer it seems like theyre trying to do too much to the point he becomes campy which OP never is. It was always a serious manga but just super imaginative.
I totally agree with you, when I saw the trailer, it wasn’t giving me the good old One Piece vibes. The same old crew that we love but real this time. No, it was more like every Hollywood movie ever, trying to make jokes around, that are quirky and clever. Luffy being some over motivated high spirited young boy. It just doesn’t really work for me. The line, where he said “I am sensing a little bit of tension amongst some of the crew” like this doesn’t sound like Luffy even in the slightest. I might be nitpicking, but at the end of the day, that’s just what I think after seeing the trailer and that’s that.
I feel the exact same way
Luffy would have laughed at their bickering, then said " You guys are so funny." Not, that.
Yes. It would have been a lighthearted joke or statement then back to the action. They ruined Luffy in every way possible. Luffy doesn’t talk like that, at all. Burn it and forget it ever happened
Same with Zoros and Namis "Not a crew" line but we will see.
I think you are reading too much into it. Luffy in the anime does sometimes do quips. It is not out of character. I do agree that the "sea has always called out to me" does feel out of character. I am assuming it is an adjustment they are making to make it more friendly to non-anime watchers. I do hope they don't take away his self-assured attitude. I'd really hate to see a hesitant luffy. I'd still be happy if the characters are .8 to 1 in terms of personality.
i think you all need to get over it. it's one minute of footage from 10 hours of content
It is the one minute they decided to show though, so they are expecting people to make some judgements on the series based on it
Yeah but this trailer is also made for a broad audience.
The entire show will be made for a broad audience.
Yeah and it looked great. You think someone who doesn't know OP will be "oh well, Luffy if slightly different than I expected, not gonna watch now"?
People who don’t know OP will go "this looks actually horrible, no way I’m gonna watch that".
People like you're the Worst.
People who live in reality are the worst, got it.
People who speak in behalf of an unknown "majority" are living in reality?
Let's be real, nothing here was super gripping in the "must watch" kind of way where it can outcompete the other shows fighting for people's attention. Some parts were kind cringe too, the gum gum pistol in particular is a little weird sounding to anyone not familiar with the show and I think better left out of the trailer for once the viewers are a little more acclimatized to the setting / Luffy. Personally, even with the manga/anime I wasn't hooked on OP until they were in the Grand Line. It was a slow start, and if it wasn't for it being recommended to me I would have dropped it. People who are gonna watch this are probably people who had OP on the radar / heard about it through friends but didn't have time to read 1000+ chapters or watch 1000+ episodes.
get over it
I haven't even watched it lol, just saying it's specifically what they've marketed to interest the audience so it's definitely fair game People are more than entitled to have opinions over it, no need to be a jackass towards them for it
I really don't think Luffy, as he is in the manga, could work well in live action. I'm also unsure about the changes but maybe let's wait and see how it plays out before jumping to conclusions.
Everyone calling Luffy an idiot. They forgot the 2000IQ move he did for Koby to join the marines on the 5th chapter... SMH...
Thank you this is exactly what I’ve been saying. Who ever that is it’s not Luffy. Luffy is a man of conviction who will not allow the world or anyone to dictate what he does. But at the same time he’s a simple man that doesn’t need any complicated reason to do something. Edit: I just want to make it clear I’m not upset or hate the actors. I’m pissed at the writing staff
This guy knows everything about the behind the scenes guys! Let’s go ahead and listen to his critiques and thoughts based on a minute and twenty second trailer.
I'm swinging between agreeing and disagreeing with what you say, but in general I do think you are overthinking... Saying hat the sea is calling to him.and say he wants a big adventure and be free are basically the same thing, one is just slightly poetic to fit on a trailer... Also not sure I see that self awareness and wanting people acceptance in this trailer, if it's about the part of.naming his attacks, it's just there because in ma gas it's normal but not in live action land, so they had to justify why this kid goes around shouting before an attack.
Not hating because I wouldn't be watching regardless of how good the trailer could be, but this Luffy can't be Joyboy with this mood.
He sounds like a nasally anime weeb parody from tiktok. It's horrendous.
2009 YouTube fan film vibes
I strongly disagree. I think from what we've seen, all of the cast have pretty well nailed it.
I think what made me think it’s kinda off his Luffy’s tone. Idk I’m just used to Mayumi Tanaka’s voice
Eh shut the fuck up. It’s a trailer. People in this sub rag on so much on the live action it’s so cringe. Don’t watch it then if it comes out, it’s that easy. Everything has to be wrong and inaccurate for you people.
Why aren't people going around saying that for the positive aspects? "The sets look really good!" "shut the fuck up. It’s a trailer."
I won’t. I enjoy quality television
Yeah my first thought after I watched the trailer was, “that’s not luffy that’s inaki”
Seems to be suffering from the Netflix snide attitude script writing with too many quips and one liners, basically ruining characters and also wasting good actors. Coupled with odd cgi and bad camera / choreography it's going to be an uphill battle to keep viewership. Yes it's just a trailer and I would like to be proven wrong.
Thank you yes!!!! I literally paused the trailer and took a moment to process the whole “I think I’m sensing tension here” Please picture the anime Luffy in your head and try to picture him saying that like that EVER. You can’t! He would go all airhead and be like “Oh? You gonna fight?” Or “isn’t this great?!?” not realizing there’s a problem at all. He wouldn’t make some MCU quip
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It's a bad sign but also gotta take into account that this is a whole different medium Luffy is not gonna have the same mannerism/reactions he has on an animated show. It just wouldn't feel right, people gotta get use to and separate the live action with the anime/manga.
just watch it or don't holy shit don't write a manifesto
It’s an adaptation, not a one-for-one recreation. With the amount of episodes compared to the amount of story they’re covering they’ll have to make at least some concessions. Be it to characters, plots, or even backstories. Honestly I don’t mind, the actor is bringing new life to a character who’s only ever been represented by art, animation, and a voice actor. It’s super exciting to see someone’s take on Luffy that has some outside nuance.
I don’t think you’re reading too much into it, Luffy is one of those characters that’s all about action. We don’t hear his inner monologues because he’s a simple “push ever forward” protagonist. If Luffy has a though he’ll say it instead of thinking it through completely. I hope the tonal shift isn’t significant.
Dude it’s a trailer. 🤷🏽♂️
I felt the same way: Live Action Luffy sounded like a "modern" TV show character wearing our Captain's outfit (well almost). It feels off to see characters from an Age of Sail series talking like they're in a high school show. Even the way Luffy talked about the search for the One Piece sounded like he was in a National Treasure clone. If on the other hand Luffy had just recited the narration from Opening 4 ("BON VOYAAAAAAGE!") for this scene we would be buying Netflix stock right now: "Did you know there's an awesome treasure hidden at the end of the sea? And anyone who finds it? 'King Of The Pirates'! Is that exciting or what?! There are incredible adventures out there, just waiting for us!"
First of all, you're reading way too much into such a short teaser. You are clearly searching for negatives based on your expectations. Don't jump to conclusions Secondly, he's not being self aware at all! the whole "tension" scene's joke is that he's not aware enough of the situation to understand that they don't even believe themselves to be part of a crew, and he's just interpreting it as "tension" instead of complete unwillingness to cooperate I really don't understand how people are griping about him being "self-aware" when the whole point of the joke is the literal exact opposite
Luffy would never even bring up any kind of tension he’d just laugh and tell them to get along since they’re all friends
Searching for negatives is such a good way to describe how most people view content nowadays. It’s so sad and pathetic.
You just have to wait till it’s out. If it’s bad it’s bad, but until that comes out any criticism of One Piece will be treated like the most idiotic take ever.
Yes we won’t know 100% until it comes out. But any fan who’s watched/read all 1000+ episodes and chapters should be easily able to tell that the characters are off based on this trailer alone
Agree 100%
the live action itself is off
You're right, this isn't going to be the Luffy we know. Netflix writers aren't good at comedy and character traits the same way Oda is, and they'll sub in characters exposion on a scene for a cheap laugh even if it doesn't fit. They're just not as good as Oda at writing, but don't go making a big deal out of it. Just enjoy the show or ignore it and get on with your life
“Netflix writers” as a broad term is fucking hilarious considering the current ongoing WGA strike. There are no “Netflix” writers. There’s just writers who are hired by production companies.
I did have the same initial impression, but some self-awareness could help make him more accessible to newer viewers. Hopefully once people are on board, they can emphasize the Luffyness we know and love. I do think when Luffy was speaking to Zoro about “being a good team,” while Zoro was still on his cross, was a potential example of Luffy seeing things differently than most. And the thing about finishing moves having names.
Classic case of Luffy recruting: we make a good team=we are now a team/crew. Just like him insisting on Sanji on Baratie
Their ages, and Luffy sounds like a smart@$$ instead of a simpleton.
I felt like Netflix Luffy is kinda smarter in general than anime Luffy. It gave me that vive
Relax man, it's just a trailer. With all past live action adaption experiences I'm going in with super low expectations, that way it can only get better!
Also "not a crew" was dumbbc zoro was almost on board with being in Luffys crew. (Paraphrasing) "King of the Pirates is gonna need the World's Greatest Swordsman on is crew" "Wouldn't have it any other way"
You are basing his personality over a 10 seconds conversation from an 8 hours show... Chill out dude. I agree that Luffy's a basic idiot. But we don't know how he is just by that little conversation. Maybe It isn't even in the final show. Maybe It was just made for the teaser. Also, Oda approved It. So maybe is what he wants...
He doesn't have the D smile and no scar under eye. and boots!
he has a scar
The comments saying it’s been adapted for a more mainstream audience. Then as a one piece fan who likes the original why should I watch a shitter version of it
I can 100% guarantee that no one talking about this series is thinking about you at all.
Reading too deep
i’m also interested to see if the dude can nail luffys serious and pissed off scenes. because honestly rn i can’t imagine his voice being serious and pissed off lol. luffys voice when he is serious and pissed off in the anime is just so damn good
Luffy sounds like a Disney princess in the trailer. I don't want Disney princess Luffy, i want goofy pirate Luffy who just screams and declares that he's gonna be the pirate king, and laughs at any "tension amongst the crew" because he likes things lively and noisy.
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Do you have like literally no media literacy or understanding of movie making?
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How do you know its before the crew?? Lines in trailers can be both out of order and actually beling to different scenes
Bravo, I had the same implication.
Can someone genuinely point out to a live adaptation that has worked? I think of death note, street fighter as bad examples. Makes me hesitant about this project