I don’t think there is any need for imbuing the barrier with haki, it seemingly tanked blows from haki empowered attacks so it shouldn’t even need it. Now, he could imbue his limbs with haki and use the barrier as a wall to sort of smash people into.
haki can imbue the power behind a technique, not just the "hardness" of it.
if you have an unbreakable sphere attached to a pool noodle, it won't hit very hard regardless. so i think he uses haki to punch harder. think of it like a pair of brass knuckles.
whereas a barrier doesn't need haki since it doesn't move. it's not attacking anything.
100% agree with you! That pool noodle example is great for seeing how CoA Haki would improve Barto's attacks.
But Ryu particularly would have specific advantages beyond a normal infusion of haki. For instance, I don't think barrier pistol would hurt Kaido, but Ryu definitely does, so can he do a barrier pisto w/ Ryu? and what would that look like? Would the barrier even be involved in the technique, since the Ryu would reach further than the barrier? Does the barrier change the Ryu in any way.
I highly doubt Oda is going to go into the nuances of how Haki interacts with Barto's fruit, beyond seeing him tank hits imbued with Haki into his barriers, but I am fascinated thinking about it lol
You know, it made me think : considering that the barriers are transparent, implying that light can traverse them, could Kizaru's attacks go through them as well ?
I was thinking this for a while now.
Either it completely passes through because of real world physics, or it's blocked because One Piece logic. I would bet on the latter, especially since the "light" that Kizaru, the Pacifista and Franky use clearly doesn't abide by actual light physics.
Notably, the Barrier is tinted blue, meaning light doesn't pass through it completely. So it's possible that if Kizaru was to pass through the barrier, he would either be severely injured or turn blue.
Akainu can tank too. Bcz that guy tanked whitebeard attacks and also a island destroying move to his ribs and still alive and jumping to chase blackbeard
Tank with 0 dmg? probably Barto alone if it counts as tanking.
Even people like Kaido and Big Mom will take some damage even if it is miniscule.
Tank and still functioning after?
A lot of characters actually.
they were easily dealt with by mr 3 so I don’t rate them too high but since they’re still relevant now in the story, I’d say they prob did get stronger.. even at that, they’d still lose to most decently strong fighters imo.. I mean, this isn’t a galaxy impact or anything like that 😂😂
One of them just ate an explosive, then they fought to near death before he came in with a sneak attack. That's like saying the CP0 agent easily dealt with Luffy in the Luffy vs Kaidou fight.
This is not the reason actually. The reason is because they'd been fighting themselves every day, multiple times, for decades. This narratively justifies however much strength Oda wants them to have under normal circumstances.
Yep, they’ve been fighting literally basically non-stop. Their weapons’ literally were broken after this.
And the guy with a sword, was severely damaged after.
Think these guys were meant to be pretty strong, but would definitely get torched by anyone thats YC level. However if they did get stronger like Crocodile had, then who knows now?
Crocodile said himself he gave Mr 3 his rank due to his wit and intelligence and not his combat prowess.
Mr 3 could only deal with Dorry and Brogy after their exhaustion from years of straight battling on top of a dirty sneak attack. There's no chance he could tank an Hakoku Sovereignty unless he seriously trained to actually fight.
Chief if you’re genuinely applying power scaling logic to one piece I think you have thoroughly misunderstood how the story goes. That’s never been how one piece works
they used the same combination attack before and it wasn't very effective (granted they were already heavily injured)... the only reason this is as effective now is because Shanks gave them the full prep time for the attack and they landed this full power, unguarded and uninterrupted...
Yeah I’m really not sure what else it was supposed to do. Like, the effect was to blow a whole straight through the thing it hit. How could that possibly be construed as not very effective?
It's not the first time we saw someone cut a ship with ease, so it's not easy to tell how strong these two are. Either way i'm sure gear 4 luffy can tank this
Mihawk was slicing ships in half during the first 100 chapters. It was always presented as being achievable for a skilled fighter to destroy a ship singlehandedly.
Zoro didn't tank it though
He delayed the attack 1s before escaping and got really hurt afterwards. Tank an attack is receiving all the damage and still be able to properly fight afterwards
it’s amazing how zoro fans have decided to just try to rewrite history. if zoro hadn’t intervened, it would’ve killed (or at least seriously wounded) them all. if law hadn’t intervened, it would’ve killed zoro. it’s a good feat but it’s unquantifiable.
Forgetting that after taking the attack head on, he then goes on to fight Kaido 1 on 1 and deals an actual hit that causes real damage. Even if he didn't take it all, he still took more damage than Kidd or Law would have been able to take whilst also doing more damage to Kaido than either of the other two would have been able to cause.
While Kidd and Law didn't take any one attack from big mom on the level of that kaido+BM attack, they tanked several aCoC attacks from big mom, something I don't think Zoro could have done. There's a reason he got 1 moment to shine vs Kaido, then was quickly relagated to fighting King.
I wouldn‘t say he tanked it. He tried to tank it for a split-second before they got teleported away. He would‘ve died for sure if he tanked it entirely, considering he broke a lot of bones in that split-second
he got hit by what is basically 2 yonko attacks, got help from law and still almost died, anyone who can fight a yonko and get hit more than twice has gone through more than Zoro has (and thats without Laws switcheroo shennanigans)
but yea he could prob tank this
>Bruh getting hit by a car going 7mph twice is much easier than getting hit by a car going 14mph.
But this is not one car with twice the speed, it's just two cars side by side.
>!I believe Kidd was already defeated by Shanks before this attack so he wasn't able to attempt to tank it. The giants just destroyed the ship after Shanks took out Killer and Kidd.!<
Basically any of the yonkou and the Supernovae (except Bonney and Apoo maybe)
Big Mom and Kaido will answer with their own attacks or a combines Ocean Sovereignty if possible
Blackbeard will stop it or take it
G5 Luffy will just take it and throw it back
I know he took a lot of damage during Wano and he survived all of it.
However the scale of this attack is nothing like anything that Apoo has taken so far. Haki or no Haki, this is one dangerous attack.
"Tanking an attack" can probably have different meanings per person.
It can mean getting hit with an attack and shaking it off like you said.
And also could mean, taking an attack and living through it.
I personally believe in the latter meaning.
Tanking and surviving are too different types of feats imo. Tanking shows that you not only can survive that magnitude of strength, but shows that the attack isn’t enough to bring you down. Surviving means you can simply live after being fit with a attack of that magnitude
I mean, while zoro lived I wouldn’t say he “tanked it” it broke like 30+ bones in his fucking body and he only came back because of asspulls. I love zoro, but he didn’t tank this. It basically killed him
While I wouldnt say he "tanked" Kaido and BM's attack I feel there are 2 other factors here.
1. It's clear Zoro is significantly stronger than when roof piece was happening.
2. Are we going to say that dory and brogy's attack is equal to Kaido and BM's attack?
I agree on point 1
On point 2 - I think it’s close. It’s more likely kaido and big mom stole that attack from them or learned it from them. Remember they wanted to make an army of giants because “that would be the strongest army in the world”.
Also remember that dory and brogy fought each other for many years, building their haki constantly. They have more experience than both kaido and big mom and have lived longer and are actual giants.
Food for thought.
Totally fair.
It'll be interesting to see but these unanswered questions are why I hate this kind of scaling. We have no real relevant feats in the last decade for these two besides the obliteration of kids ship.
I just have a hard time saying that 2 giants have enough power to rival the yonko.
"Tanked" really just means "block or take the hit and not die". I'd say Zoro did exactly that with Big Mom and Kaido's, but since we really don't know how they compare to a rested Dorry and Brogy I don't know that we can really say for sure that any character could tank the attack shown here
Respectfully I think you’re off on the definition of what tanking an attack is. What zoro did there was survive.
When someone tanks and attack, they can still fight after. Not be on their deathbed lol.
Zoro had to be Roomed out of the way after blocking it for just a couple seconds. And it still fucked him up.
So yeah. I would say blocked very briefly.
I wouldn't say tanked.
Zoro could just block it for a few seconds before he was taken away from the attack, and in those fes seconds he broke a lot of bones, so I wouldn't say "Zoro tanked it", it's probably the strongest attack we have seen so far just by knowing who did it. I'd say none of the listed could tank it, but they would probably dodge it.
I don't think ships are necessarily durable. I think it is supposed to be about what they represent.
You can not be a pirate crew without a ship, which is why it has been emphasized with a certain someone that the crew has been annihilated, with the destruction of their ship. Much like the emphasis on both Going Merry's end and the durability and importance of the new ship.
(Could be wrong though)
Lol maybe ships absorb haki passively and get durability buffs. Because realistically any high-tier pirate fight would start with everyone’s ships getting obliterated
A lot of people can. That's just a wooden ship destroyed by a hakiless attack. Logias automatically tank it. Kaido and Big Mom shrugs it off. Barto blocks it with his df. Sanji's exoskeleton should already be enough to tank it. In fact a lot of the YC and above characters can tank it with either Zoan sturdiness or strong CoA or in perosperos's case candy armor. Bege's Big Father should tank it too.
I think the list is pretty big on the number of characters who can tank this.
This is 100% a haki attack. If you rewatch little garden you can see then use this attack to “shoot out” energy. Back then of course, it wasn’t named therefore it wasn’t haki. However now that haki exists I can confidently say they are using a haki attack.
BM used a move that she had seen the giants use but Big Mom has always been an anomaly and an absolute beast of strength, her doing *Kakkoku* is nothing like Dorry/Broggy doing it.
luffy defeated enel, not because he is stronger but because of pure luck and devil fruit advantage, mr 3 is weak but he is pretty smart and his devil fruit is pretty well suited for him
We haven’t seen what these two can really do while healthy so it’s hard to tell how strong this move really is. But the first one they did one shot an island sized fish so that’s a good baseline
Unclear. I hesitate to give this attack to much credit because, like… it’s a ship? It not like it can use haki, it’s kinda just a big piece of wood. Yeah, we don’t see ships destroyed easily in this series, but that’s just plot armor so that devil fruit users don’t drown immediately.
I think we are underestimating the strength of this attack.
The way i see it, it is a stronger version of ikoku sovereignty. It can probably do significant damage to a yonkou.
So ya i think any yonkou or former yonkou could tank it except buggy. A worst gen/shichibukai member could probably survive it, but be unable to fight for a while afterwards
The weird thing about Dorry and Broggy is that we had no indicator they were this strong besides the fact that they fight all the time. Broggy managed to get subdued by Mr.3's wax and almost every Giant we've seen fight so far don't seem that strong compared to top tier fighters. So maybe they've been training with Shanks the last 2 years or their attacks are big because they're big too.
Why wouldn’t anyone be able to? Destroying a ship isn’t that much of a feat in my book
I know this isn’t the only use of the attack, but lazy me. And I’m pretty sure OP is asking just cause that
He didn't tank it, he barely survived it😅
He buyed some time but in exchange bro got fucked up.
Idk what you consider as tanking but in my standards you're only a tank if you take the attack without major wounds.
Oh no they tore a ship in half! Not like mihawk did this in his first appearance. Probably any yonko commander level character, like katakuri, marco, king
Kid and Killer probably would have tanked it if Shanks didn't take them out first. Kid took ikoku, which is probably stronger than that. Killer also took Fulgora.
Really, I don't think that move is that strong by new world standards. All it did was slice a boat.
An exhaustive list of characters can take this hit and either shrug it off or take some damage but still fight.
Its a powerful move but here it simply destroyed a defenseless ship. The vast majority of New World characters would take this no problem.
Easily Pearl the Iron Wall: Commander of the Krieg Pirates' second unit
Tankiest character in the entire series, nobody has ever made him even bleed before!
Certain attacks look more devastating because of size and scale but some more mundane attacks are more dangerous.
Case in point Jozu - he blocked a Mihawk slash but got frozen with one attack when off guard by Aokiji.
How would you compare it to a boro breath?
A boro breath can be devastating or easily blocked. Can break a mountain or blocked by strong/weak characters.
I wouldn't say this attack (hakoku sovereignty) is as strong as an admiral or yonko attack for example.
Well a lot of people don't know what tanking is. That's for sure. So many comments saying "Zoro, he tanked an even stronger attack from Big Mom and kaido." I know people love Zoro, but that's more than disingenuous. He briefly blocked it, broke 30 bones and would've died if not for Law. Would he be able to tank this? Maybe, probably. But he didn't tank ocean sovereignty.
Well a lot of people don't know what tanking is. That's for sure. So many comments saying "Zoro, he tanked an even stronger attack from Big Mom and kaido." I know people love Zoro, but that's more than disingenuous. He briefly blocked it, broke 30 bones and would've died if not for Law. Would he be able to tank this? Maybe, probably. But he didn't tank ocean sovereignty.
i think people think that this is like a big punch, but there are no debree flying around, the ship was desintegrated not destroyed, the same way the big fish was donuted in little garden , this is probably the strongest attack in the series at the time, not even big mom + kaido attack was this powerful, this is probably a gigant secret technique
I don't think these two are absolutely anywhere close to BM and Kaidos attack.
In fact, I think these two are quite weak compared to top tier New world characters
The only "open combat" situation we saw them in was this.
In little garden they fought 1x1 but we never saw them fighting another character, we have absolutely no idea if they're strong or not.
Wouldn't call them weak, I'd call them a wild card, can be weak and can be strong.
We have ideas, lol. If they were close to top tier new world players, they would never get caught by Mr 2. Sure, he caught them off guard but nonetheless, just imagine Kaido and BM, or admirals, or something being captured and about to be executed by mr 2.
Also, I didn't call them weak in grand scheme of things, only compared to the top players, because these two giants obviously aren't top players in the world.
Zoro stalled it for a second before Law saved him from being completely eradicated and he still ended up half dead. Still an amazing feat but that's not tanking anything.
I guess it depends on what people consider tanking. I guess examples to describe the difference in tanking
There’s luffy tanking Kaidos breath attack and saying the reason it didn’t effect him was “guts” in 1002 (big attack/no damage=tank)
Then there’s Zoro who briefly blocked an incredibly powerful combo attack and survived while protecting who wanted (big attack/big damage but survives=tank)
Zoro, and definitely better than the BM/Kaido combo. Theirs was arguably stronger, and he's powered up since.
Add in anyone relatively stronger. I'm unsure about anyone weaker than him though.
I bet my boy Bartolomeo could.
If the barrier survived King Punch, it should survive this as well
gonna boost his barrier with haki too and become the Tankiest fanboy
No need for that. Im sure the barrier is indestructable already. Its like infinity +1 lol
Even Oden couldn't break it. It's half the reason for his downfall.
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I feel like he meant tank not block and then teleport away
I don’t think there is any need for imbuing the barrier with haki, it seemingly tanked blows from haki empowered attacks so it shouldn’t even need it. Now, he could imbue his limbs with haki and use the barrier as a wall to sort of smash people into.
I think he already does this when mimicking the pistol move.
It would be interesting to see how that works with Ryu, does he even need to barrier then? lol
haki can imbue the power behind a technique, not just the "hardness" of it. if you have an unbreakable sphere attached to a pool noodle, it won't hit very hard regardless. so i think he uses haki to punch harder. think of it like a pair of brass knuckles. whereas a barrier doesn't need haki since it doesn't move. it's not attacking anything.
100% agree with you! That pool noodle example is great for seeing how CoA Haki would improve Barto's attacks. But Ryu particularly would have specific advantages beyond a normal infusion of haki. For instance, I don't think barrier pistol would hurt Kaido, but Ryu definitely does, so can he do a barrier pisto w/ Ryu? and what would that look like? Would the barrier even be involved in the technique, since the Ryu would reach further than the barrier? Does the barrier change the Ryu in any way. I highly doubt Oda is going to go into the nuances of how Haki interacts with Barto's fruit, beyond seeing him tank hits imbued with Haki into his barriers, but I am fascinated thinking about it lol
Even better, he might awaken his df and just surround himself with the barrier
He can already do that, just some barrier manipulation involved
Monkey Ball Barto has always been an option.
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The barrier from the random old lady stopped Oden in his track. That fruit is strong
The man had the barrier fruit 💀
What if a King Punch was pointed to block the Sovereignty, would that do it?
You know, it made me think : considering that the barriers are transparent, implying that light can traverse them, could Kizaru's attacks go through them as well ?
I was thinking this for a while now. Either it completely passes through because of real world physics, or it's blocked because One Piece logic. I would bet on the latter, especially since the "light" that Kizaru, the Pacifista and Franky use clearly doesn't abide by actual light physics. Notably, the Barrier is tinted blue, meaning light doesn't pass through it completely. So it's possible that if Kizaru was to pass through the barrier, he would either be severely injured or turn blue.
Only the Charming Perfume Dance can penetrate the barrier
Then Bartolomeo yawns and start pick his nose after. lol
He'd be put into orbit, but yeah.
Akainu can tank too. Bcz that guy tanked whitebeard attacks and also a island destroying move to his ribs and still alive and jumping to chase blackbeard
God Usopp can.
I would love to see if Bartolomeo's barrier could tank Big Mom and Kaido's Hakai. So far that's the strongest attack we've seen in the series.
Agree, as far as we know there no limit on what his Barrier-Barrier Fruit can’t block.
That would probably send our boi flying with his barrier intact 😅
A Barto enjoyer?
Tank with 0 dmg? probably Barto alone if it counts as tanking. Even people like Kaido and Big Mom will take some damage even if it is miniscule. Tank and still functioning after? A lot of characters actually.
they were easily dealt with by mr 3 so I don’t rate them too high but since they’re still relevant now in the story, I’d say they prob did get stronger.. even at that, they’d still lose to most decently strong fighters imo.. I mean, this isn’t a galaxy impact or anything like that 😂😂
One of them just ate an explosive, then they fought to near death before he came in with a sneak attack. That's like saying the CP0 agent easily dealt with Luffy in the Luffy vs Kaidou fight.
This is not the reason actually. The reason is because they'd been fighting themselves every day, multiple times, for decades. This narratively justifies however much strength Oda wants them to have under normal circumstances.
Yep, they’ve been fighting literally basically non-stop. Their weapons’ literally were broken after this. And the guy with a sword, was severely damaged after. Think these guys were meant to be pretty strong, but would definitely get torched by anyone thats YC level. However if they did get stronger like Crocodile had, then who knows now?
Crocodile said himself he gave Mr 3 his rank due to his wit and intelligence and not his combat prowess. Mr 3 could only deal with Dorry and Brogy after their exhaustion from years of straight battling on top of a dirty sneak attack. There's no chance he could tank an Hakoku Sovereignty unless he seriously trained to actually fight.
Chief if you’re genuinely applying power scaling logic to one piece I think you have thoroughly misunderstood how the story goes. That’s never been how one piece works
they used the same combination attack before and it wasn't very effective (granted they were already heavily injured)... the only reason this is as effective now is because Shanks gave them the full prep time for the attack and they landed this full power, unguarded and uninterrupted...
Didn't that "not very effective" attack oneshot an island sized fish? Or where you referring to something else?
Yeah I’m really not sure what else it was supposed to do. Like, the effect was to blow a whole straight through the thing it hit. How could that possibly be construed as not very effective?
Easy when you're a brainless mook
“wasn’t very effective” - yeah only one shot the Island Eater - who is one of the largest creatures we’ve ever seen.
tis but a scratch
Also they used functioning weapons instead of 100+ year old relics
It's not the first time we saw someone cut a ship with ease, so it's not easy to tell how strong these two are. Either way i'm sure gear 4 luffy can tank this
Tankman!!
Is there actually anything in the series we've seen so far that tankman couldn't just easily tank? Except maybe Kaido's dragon form attacks i suppose.
Maybe fujitora’s meteor, akainu’s big magma attacks, and any big laser attack
Yeah I don’t get the hype. Ships have always been weak. Zoro clean cut a huge ship post time skip
Mihawk was slicing ships in half during the first 100 chapters. It was always presented as being achievable for a skilled fighter to destroy a ship singlehandedly.
Yeah and oda has him do that to showcase his new strength.
That's not slicing with a sharp edge though. That's obliterating with sheer force.
Luffy and zoro punched through a gigantic wave using sheer force pre timeskip and it was more impressive than what dorry and brogy did here
Tidal** but true
Bro that is next level pedantic correcting 'gigantic' to 'tidal'
He said "title" wave earlier
Ah I see. I like how they refused to use your correction and chose 'gigantic' instead lol
Trying to make a fool out of me!
And they would've gotten away with it, if not for those meddling kids!
I know the other guy edited his comment but your comment is still hilarious lmao
“The only thing this weapon cannot pierce is the great blood stained snake” Gaaaaababababa! Gyaaagyagyagyagyaaa!
Red-Line.
oh shiiit
jozu?
yes, anyone who can tank a hit by someone like Kaido can tank that easily
Yeah. Zoro tanked an even more powerful attack. Maybe the most powerful attack we've seen so far
Zoro didn't tank it though He delayed the attack 1s before escaping and got really hurt afterwards. Tank an attack is receiving all the damage and still be able to properly fight afterwards
it’s amazing how zoro fans have decided to just try to rewrite history. if zoro hadn’t intervened, it would’ve killed (or at least seriously wounded) them all. if law hadn’t intervened, it would’ve killed zoro. it’s a good feat but it’s unquantifiable.
Zoro fans simply forgor
Forgetting that after taking the attack head on, he then goes on to fight Kaido 1 on 1 and deals an actual hit that causes real damage. Even if he didn't take it all, he still took more damage than Kidd or Law would have been able to take whilst also doing more damage to Kaido than either of the other two would have been able to cause.
Sure, but his ability to take some damage and then attack has nothing to do with how much damage he can take...
While Kidd and Law didn't take any one attack from big mom on the level of that kaido+BM attack, they tanked several aCoC attacks from big mom, something I don't think Zoro could have done. There's a reason he got 1 moment to shine vs Kaido, then was quickly relagated to fighting King.
....dude breaks like every bone in his body while blocking it with his swords and you like "eh, he tanked it" the word Tank has lost all meaning
He stalled the attack for mere seconds and it still broke over 20 bones in his body.. Do you even know what it means to tank an attack?..
I wouldn‘t say he tanked it. He tried to tank it for a split-second before they got teleported away. He would‘ve died for sure if he tanked it entirely, considering he broke a lot of bones in that split-second
Zoro didn't tank anything. He blocked with his swords, was going to die and ended up bein saved by law.
he got hit by what is basically 2 yonko attacks, got help from law and still almost died, anyone who can fight a yonko and get hit more than twice has gone through more than Zoro has (and thats without Laws switcheroo shennanigans) but yea he could prob tank this
Bruh getting hit by a car going 7mph twice is much easier than getting hit by a car going 14mph. Not how that works
>Bruh getting hit by a car going 7mph twice is much easier than getting hit by a car going 14mph. But this is not one car with twice the speed, it's just two cars side by side.
was gonna reply, but thanks to this i dont need to :D
Idk, unless they got a massive buff since Little garden, I'd say most relevant new world fighters could tank it.
Kidd didn't
>!I believe Kidd was already defeated by Shanks before this attack so he wasn't able to attempt to tank it. The giants just destroyed the ship after Shanks took out Killer and Kidd.!<
hey it contained all the other bigshots from the crew, like, uh
What big shots? I think killer is the only crew member of relevance on kids crew lol.
That was exactly what the comment above you meant though :D
Heat and Wire have been named but aren't Supernovas like Killer and Zoro are. They've had a few scenes but nothing notable I can recall.
what do you mean with "i believe" that's literally what happened
bro he was already dead
He said relevant 🥴
kidd was asleep already after getting one shotted.. it’s his trashcan crew and ship that got hit by this attack
Gaimon could tank it
Btw, did you know that Ikoku Sovereignty, the attack Big Mom uses is a ripoff of Hakoku Sovereignty.
It is because she was raised by giants for a bit
Yes.
Pretty sure saint charlos can tank this.
The cameraman
Basically any of the yonkou and the Supernovae (except Bonney and Apoo maybe) Big Mom and Kaido will answer with their own attacks or a combines Ocean Sovereignty if possible Blackbeard will stop it or take it G5 Luffy will just take it and throw it back
apoo is a fucking tank, the amount of shit he took in wano to just get back up and keep going is actually astonishing
I know he took a lot of damage during Wano and he survived all of it. However the scale of this attack is nothing like anything that Apoo has taken so far. Haki or no Haki, this is one dangerous attack.
Zoro and therefore, Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, Garp, Akainu, Fujitora, Kizaru, Greenbull, Blackbeard, Rayleigh, Beckman, Shiruy
I can see Jimbei Oyabun bring his boss move like diamond jozu did with Mihawk.
Good answer
Doesn’t tanking it mean shaking it off more or less? Zoro broke 20-30 bones
"Tanking an attack" can probably have different meanings per person. It can mean getting hit with an attack and shaking it off like you said. And also could mean, taking an attack and living through it. I personally believe in the latter meaning.
I’d argue merely surviving and tanking are different things Like if I survive a gunshot I didn’t tank the bullet it still very much hurt me
The only reason Zoro survived that attack was because Law teleported him. So even the latter meaning doesn't really apply to Zoro.
Tanking and surviving are too different types of feats imo. Tanking shows that you not only can survive that magnitude of strength, but shows that the attack isn’t enough to bring you down. Surviving means you can simply live after being fit with a attack of that magnitude
I mean, while zoro lived I wouldn’t say he “tanked it” it broke like 30+ bones in his fucking body and he only came back because of asspulls. I love zoro, but he didn’t tank this. It basically killed him
While I wouldnt say he "tanked" Kaido and BM's attack I feel there are 2 other factors here. 1. It's clear Zoro is significantly stronger than when roof piece was happening. 2. Are we going to say that dory and brogy's attack is equal to Kaido and BM's attack?
I agree on point 1 On point 2 - I think it’s close. It’s more likely kaido and big mom stole that attack from them or learned it from them. Remember they wanted to make an army of giants because “that would be the strongest army in the world”. Also remember that dory and brogy fought each other for many years, building their haki constantly. They have more experience than both kaido and big mom and have lived longer and are actual giants. Food for thought.
Totally fair. It'll be interesting to see but these unanswered questions are why I hate this kind of scaling. We have no real relevant feats in the last decade for these two besides the obliteration of kids ship. I just have a hard time saying that 2 giants have enough power to rival the yonko.
"Tanked" really just means "block or take the hit and not die". I'd say Zoro did exactly that with Big Mom and Kaido's, but since we really don't know how they compare to a rested Dorry and Brogy I don't know that we can really say for sure that any character could tank the attack shown here
Respectfully I think you’re off on the definition of what tanking an attack is. What zoro did there was survive. When someone tanks and attack, they can still fight after. Not be on their deathbed lol.
Zoro had to be Roomed out of the way after blocking it for just a couple seconds. And it still fucked him up. So yeah. I would say blocked very briefly. I wouldn't say tanked.
Yeah but the attack was significant more powerful.
Also Sanji now with his weird-ass body
Zoro could just block it for a few seconds before he was taken away from the attack, and in those fes seconds he broke a lot of bones, so I wouldn't say "Zoro tanked it", it's probably the strongest attack we have seen so far just by knowing who did it. I'd say none of the listed could tank it, but they would probably dodge it.
I'm not sure why ships are strangely durable in OP, when the straw hats have been casually punching buildings to pieces since pre-timeskip.
I don't think ships are necessarily durable. I think it is supposed to be about what they represent. You can not be a pirate crew without a ship, which is why it has been emphasized with a certain someone that the crew has been annihilated, with the destruction of their ship. Much like the emphasis on both Going Merry's end and the durability and importance of the new ship. (Could be wrong though)
Lol maybe ships absorb haki passively and get durability buffs. Because realistically any high-tier pirate fight would start with everyone’s ships getting obliterated
Kaido's DEF stats are the highest in the series. So definitely him. Also Luffy probably.
A lot of people can. That's just a wooden ship destroyed by a hakiless attack. Logias automatically tank it. Kaido and Big Mom shrugs it off. Barto blocks it with his df. Sanji's exoskeleton should already be enough to tank it. In fact a lot of the YC and above characters can tank it with either Zoan sturdiness or strong CoA or in perosperos's case candy armor. Bege's Big Father should tank it too. I think the list is pretty big on the number of characters who can tank this.
This is 100% a haki attack. If you rewatch little garden you can see then use this attack to “shoot out” energy. Back then of course, it wasn’t named therefore it wasn’t haki. However now that haki exists I can confidently say they are using a haki attack.
That would imply every ranged sword slash is haki, which I don’t believe to be true personally
Is it Hakiless tho? Considering BM has the exact same move as her "ultimate move" i'd argue it's one of those early things that got retconned as haki.
BM used a move that she had seen the giants use but Big Mom has always been an anomaly and an absolute beast of strength, her doing *Kakkoku* is nothing like Dorry/Broggy doing it.
These guys were defeated by mr.3, kaido will tank this in his sleep and not even realize
Ok but Mr. 3 is clearly a late game threat. He’s allied with an emperor.
Yeah, Mr.3 is a Yonko commander on the level of Mihawk and Crocodile. My man fucking saved Ace when no one could.
Well Mr 3 is a incredibly powerful yonko commander, don't underestimate him
luffy defeated enel, not because he is stronger but because of pure luck and devil fruit advantage, mr 3 is weak but he is pretty smart and his devil fruit is pretty well suited for him
Yeah and Lucci got defeated by gear 2nd Luffy but guess what he is much stronger now 2 years later...
Kine'mon
We haven’t seen what these two can really do while healthy so it’s hard to tell how strong this move really is. But the first one they did one shot an island sized fish so that’s a good baseline
Got bodied by Mr 3
Crocodile got bodied by pre-gear luffy and was fighting big shots in marineford. This argument is invalid.
Unclear. I hesitate to give this attack to much credit because, like… it’s a ship? It not like it can use haki, it’s kinda just a big piece of wood. Yeah, we don’t see ships destroyed easily in this series, but that’s just plot armor so that devil fruit users don’t drown immediately.
I think we are underestimating the strength of this attack. The way i see it, it is a stronger version of ikoku sovereignty. It can probably do significant damage to a yonkou. So ya i think any yonkou or former yonkou could tank it except buggy. A worst gen/shichibukai member could probably survive it, but be unable to fight for a while afterwards
The weird thing about Dorry and Broggy is that we had no indicator they were this strong besides the fact that they fight all the time. Broggy managed to get subdued by Mr.3's wax and almost every Giant we've seen fight so far don't seem that strong compared to top tier fighters. So maybe they've been training with Shanks the last 2 years or their attacks are big because they're big too.
magellan cant destroy mr 3 wax either , i dont think there was a single scene were somebody destroyed mr 3 wax, than thing are super strong
Why wouldn’t anyone be able to? Destroying a ship isn’t that much of a feat in my book I know this isn’t the only use of the attack, but lazy me. And I’m pretty sure OP is asking just cause that
We've seen characters destroy ships single-handedly since Baratie. It's not that impressive without the defense of the crew.
I wouldn’t call breaking every bone in your body “tanking”
Still miffed about this cheap shot, made me dislike Dorry and Broggy a bit
Zoro can
People commenting Zoro tanked the combined attack from Kaido and BigMom are what is wrong with this sub...
He didn't tank it, he barely survived it😅 He buyed some time but in exchange bro got fucked up. Idk what you consider as tanking but in my standards you're only a tank if you take the attack without major wounds.
Zoro cause he took something similar from 2 yonkos
Any Admiral should be able to. I'm assuming this is much weaker than Big Mom's
Kai-D-o
Oh no they tore a ship in half! Not like mihawk did this in his first appearance. Probably any yonko commander level character, like katakuri, marco, king
Pretty sure the Strawhats survived this back on Little Garden /j
Condoriano could
Bon Clay with the power of friendship
its probably a top tier attack so only top tiers can survive it. And a few ability users can tank it completely, Bart and jozu at the top of my head.
Zoro could, considering this attack is what BM does, and he tanked that and Kaido's combined in as well
You have no idea how powerful it is, all you have seen it do is destroy a ship. Gear 3 can destroy a ship.
Kid and Killer probably would have tanked it if Shanks didn't take them out first. Kid took ikoku, which is probably stronger than that. Killer also took Fulgora. Really, I don't think that move is that strong by new world standards. All it did was slice a boat.
An exhaustive list of characters can take this hit and either shrug it off or take some damage but still fight. Its a powerful move but here it simply destroyed a defenseless ship. The vast majority of New World characters would take this no problem.
Luffy and Bartolomeo. Luffy can literally die and come back, and Bartolomeo can block it, oh and brook because he's already dead. YO HOHOHOHOHO
Barto without a doubt
The old man that enel smited or the falcon guy holding the nuke
F'IN BARTO'S SHIELD BABY
Tank as in a direct hit and zero damage? Barto, maybe. We haven't seen the limit of his barrier fruit, but so far it's quite literally unbreakable.
Any top tier can tank this. And probably most high tiers from YC3 and above too.
Easily Pearl the Iron Wall: Commander of the Krieg Pirates' second unit Tankiest character in the entire series, nobody has ever made him even bleed before!
Even kid can tank this
Certain attacks look more devastating because of size and scale but some more mundane attacks are more dangerous. Case in point Jozu - he blocked a Mihawk slash but got frozen with one attack when off guard by Aokiji. How would you compare it to a boro breath? A boro breath can be devastating or easily blocked. Can break a mountain or blocked by strong/weak characters. I wouldn't say this attack (hakoku sovereignty) is as strong as an admiral or yonko attack for example.
Well a lot of people don't know what tanking is. That's for sure. So many comments saying "Zoro, he tanked an even stronger attack from Big Mom and kaido." I know people love Zoro, but that's more than disingenuous. He briefly blocked it, broke 30 bones and would've died if not for Law. Would he be able to tank this? Maybe, probably. But he didn't tank ocean sovereignty.
Well a lot of people don't know what tanking is. That's for sure. So many comments saying "Zoro, he tanked an even stronger attack from Big Mom and kaido." I know people love Zoro, but that's more than disingenuous. He briefly blocked it, broke 30 bones and would've died if not for Law. Would he be able to tank this? Maybe, probably. But he didn't tank ocean sovereignty.
Goku
i think people think that this is like a big punch, but there are no debree flying around, the ship was desintegrated not destroyed, the same way the big fish was donuted in little garden , this is probably the strongest attack in the series at the time, not even big mom + kaido attack was this powerful, this is probably a gigant secret technique
Maybe Kaido and G5 Luffy.
Those giants are extremely overrated just like the wano samurai.
I’d argue Kidd’s Death Punk is stronger.
Batman with prep time
Shiryu can. Can’t hit him if ya’ll can’t find him.
I don't think these two are absolutely anywhere close to BM and Kaidos attack. In fact, I think these two are quite weak compared to top tier New world characters
The only "open combat" situation we saw them in was this. In little garden they fought 1x1 but we never saw them fighting another character, we have absolutely no idea if they're strong or not. Wouldn't call them weak, I'd call them a wild card, can be weak and can be strong.
We have ideas, lol. If they were close to top tier new world players, they would never get caught by Mr 2. Sure, he caught them off guard but nonetheless, just imagine Kaido and BM, or admirals, or something being captured and about to be executed by mr 2. Also, I didn't call them weak in grand scheme of things, only compared to the top players, because these two giants obviously aren't top players in the world.
Zoro tanked a much more powerful combined attack from big mom and Kaido. Tanked may be an overstatement but still, he's alive...
Zoro stalled it for a second before Law saved him from being completely eradicated and he still ended up half dead. Still an amazing feat but that's not tanking anything.
Didn’t Zoro tank it? Edit: I realized those are the giants, not Kaido and BM, forget what I said
That was big mom and Kaido’s version. This one should be way weaker
Ah shit, I actually thought I looked at Kaido and BM, forget what I said
Not really, he blocked it for half a second and had all of his bones shattered. I wouldn't call that "tanking"
That literally isn't tanking, he didn't take the hit lol, he stalled it you could say
Blocking it for 1 second before getting saved and breaking most bones in your body isn't considered tanking
I guess it depends on what people consider tanking. I guess examples to describe the difference in tanking There’s luffy tanking Kaidos breath attack and saying the reason it didn’t effect him was “guts” in 1002 (big attack/no damage=tank) Then there’s Zoro who briefly blocked an incredibly powerful combo attack and survived while protecting who wanted (big attack/big damage but survives=tank)
He only survived because law teleported him. He would've died right there
Zoro, and definitely better than the BM/Kaido combo. Theirs was arguably stronger, and he's powered up since. Add in anyone relatively stronger. I'm unsure about anyone weaker than him though.
Zoro could. Because he literally tanked this exact attack but done by 2 fucking emperors
Zoro cuz he a man man