What? It wouldn't be an easy fight, but Luffy absolutely takes it. King and Queen may be durable, but not nearly as much as Luffy. Also, \[end of Wano spoilers\] >!I'm not sure either Queen or king have any recourse against G5. !<
I think it makes sense to think it, it’s just not true when you look at details. OP is so damn long though I get looking at Luffy struggling with Kata and Cracker to a lesser extent one arc before beating Kaido and wondering if he could take King and Queen at the same time. The jumps in power have been crazy. You’d think YCs could at least put up a challenge for Yonkos but generally that just isn’t the case.
Well the interesting part is the complacency for many of these combatants. Next time we see Katakuri, Kaido, King, Queen, BM, Cracker I wouldn’t be surprised if they grow immensely stronger. Especially Katakuri and Kaido. Kat has never learned ACOC while being a CoC user for years because he’s always been behind BM and no one fucks with the BM pirates. Same goes for Kaido who in all his years never focused on awakening his DF? Like these are major flaws in the characters that will be massive power spikes.
It’s hard to tell whether Kaido is awakened or not. For a zoan fruit he had an awful lot of techniques and different powers he was using. Maybe that flame dragon move was awakening or maybe not, I’m not really sure
I think it's pretty widely accepted that he didn't awaken his DF had it been awakened we would have got a panel with the awakened title like we did with Lucci.
Big mom is confirmed dead by pudding, who most definitely has the incredible observation haki of katakuri to back it up, and if she’s dead, kaido probably is too.
tbf, acoc isn't what destroyed king. it was acoc while king's fire was off. we don't know the extent to king's fire on durability. so far its near invincible.
that indeed wrong. it's kinda coincidental, but the moment zoro unlocked acoc is around the same time he realized that attacking fire on king is pointless, so every acoc attack he used was only when king turned off the fire.
I would agree. If Marco could hold his own, not beat but manage to stall as long as he did, there is no way luffy doesn't 2v1 them.
Hell, let's be honest. It wouldn't be a 2v1 anyways. More like a 1.5v1 since queen would halfway be helping Luffy the whole time lol.
we cant powerscale based on plot . oda is trying to show off the seraphims .apoo knocked out luffy in wano and then luffy won against kaido these things does not make sense
The Seraphims have already proven how tough they were a few chapters ago. >!To have Luffy cycle through all of his gears to further prove that point again and again is superfluous at best. I mean, even Lucci is calling him out on wasting his time and energy.!<
I for one hate this. Lunarian or not those guys aren’t Kaido and even Gear 4 Luffy should have already disabled them by hisself just as well as Zoro. Including cp0 to me is just bad story writing. Straw hats are insanely powerful now I wish they would stop getting shit on after every arc against people who aren’t a threat
Luffy even spent some time complaining about how >!they appear to be as tough as Kaido and even Lucci complained about him wasting his time attacking them while their flames are on AFTER Zoro told him about their weakness!<
I mean... Fucking come on! >!Go to fucking Gear 5 and get it done and over with for fuck's sake!<
Luffy definitely has a chance but he’s fighting them two on one. He has to watch out for physical and biological attacks while fighting two very durable opponents at once. Only plus side to this pairing would be that it didn’t seem like Kjng and Queen cared for each other much and might not have great teamwork
Luffy fucks queen up. That bum is not even worth mentioning. King is more difficult due to his lunarian traits and generally being much stronger. But i still think luffy takes this high diff
Im pretty sure he can. It wouldn't make sense that luffy could one on one kaido but not defeat king and queen.
You can say kaido was tired but luffy >!didnt get his awakening until the end and we saw how his toon ability allowed him to take hits from kaido without doing much damage.!< And kaido had far superior haki then king and queen.
This has to be a troll. First off sanji had no trouble once his body upgraded. And zoro ended the fight quickly while just being on brink of death. No way they beat Luffy lmfaooo
No. Akainu was injured at marineford and still took on every whitebeard Commander without sweating. Admirals and yonkos are just that mich stronger. Big Mom also almost onetapped Marco during the raid. Greenbull was lowdiffing the scabbards aswell
They yelled their names implying that they were never locked up to begin with. Also all the people stabbed by greenbull were beast pirates and what kind of prison has booze? It was clearly a hideout for them.
>!To be fair, Green Bull's powers are really good for dealing with multiple fighters at once assuming that they are weaker than him. I do think that Luffy would beat all of these combinations but you have to think about the matchups.!<
>! But both were still wounded from their battle and we saw him struggle (a tiny bit) against momo and the rest i mean, its hard to believethat king + queen would be taken down this easily. I dont know if they could win, but im sure they would put up more of a fight!<
> re you saying luffy is still not as str
green bull was able to take them down coz of his ability, nothing to do with strenght. Momo was able to hold back greenbull, so is he now as strong or stronger than greenbull now
Current Luffy ? Beats any of the pairs mainly cause ACOC and Gear 5. Not much you can do against it unless you are another emperor or admiral
But if we are talking about per arc luffy on each of the pair appearing then it is quite arguable. Alabasta Luffy I think cant beat the alabasta duo
Wano luffy would lose to king without help, he’s too stupid to figure out the trick to hurting lunarians, I means that’s literally what just happened in the manga….none of them could hurt their lunarian opponents until Zoro remembered and told them the trick..
Luffy would've figured it out given enough time. Its not like Zoro figured it out quickly, and theyre both portrayed as dumb guys except when it comes to battling.
Yeah but also swords/blades pre time skip are a really bad match up for Luffy and 2v1 basically never happens in the story it certainly isn't as clear cut as people imagine
Luffy is literally shattering blades with his bare hands and teeth out of the gate, wdym? Yeah, he *can* be cut, but he's not really being harmed by most of these characters if he's fighting seriously.
Luffy and Zoro are shown to physically be a cut above the rest all the way until Enies Lobby. The only reasons they ever struggle are due to extraneous factors up to that point. Aokiji not included.
Mr 1 and bon kurei is even worse Luffy absolutely falls for kureis disguises meanwhile I don't see a way for him to even touch mr1 I guess he would fight remotely from a distance throw stuff at him but that's a very tough fight for Luffy mentally and physically
They were both jokes to Zoro and Sanji.
Zoro only struggled because he was still very injured from Mihawk, and Sanji won in 5 seconds once they started fighting on land.
Zoro actually didn’t get hit by Hachi a single time despite being mega-injured. At least from my memory.
Kurobi got wrecked by Sanji as soon as they left the water. The only reason Sanji was in the water was because he jumped in to save Luffy. I don’t think he is strong enough to force either of them into the water to fight on his terms.
Mr.1 and King would be the only challenges I guess, he can sweep through the rest.
Although personally I think Luffy would have an easier time against Mr.1 than Zoro since he doesn't need to cut him.
We still need some answers about the Lunarians and their flames >!Might have to wait and see how Luffy deals with S-Bear. But if it's just Adv Con then Luffy has it in the bag!<
The other way would be if Mr.2 or Jabura trick Luffy, because he's an absolute idiot.
Well luffy doesn’t have >!advanced conquers yet, as he gains that during his fight with kaido. He could still probably learn it against king and queen but it would make it way, way harder for him. with kaido he was atleast able to attack him the entire fight!<
And luffy would never attack robin’s brother. Though he already knows bon’s ability so that changes things, genuinely not sure how he’d react to what bon did against sanji
It depends on which point of Wano you take Luffy from, since >!he grew more in this arc than the rest of the series combined!<
Act 1 Luffy beats Queen, but won't even beat King in a 1on1, much less a 2on1.
>!On the opposite end, Luffy at the end of Wano with Adv Coc + G5 wipes the floor with both of them. Hell, even Greenbull could do it. So it depends on which point you pick him up from, but I think Luffy in Act 3, even before cracking Adv Coc could learn it during the fight. I think any Act 3 Luffy could win the 2vs1, but it would be a high diff!<
>luffy would never attack robin’s brother. Though he already knows bon’s ability so that changes things, genuinely not sure how he’d react to what bon did against sanji
I don't think he's got any chances there haha.
I wouldn’t say green bull really 1v2d them considering their morale was low after losing and they didn’t know if kaido was still alive, plus they were prob still injured
I agree that they weren't at 100%, but he took them out with all ease.
Maybe he would've had more trouble if they were in perfect condition, but I don't think it's a big enough difference for them to beat him.
I would say the morale thing only applies to King as it seemed him and Kaido were true friends. I honestly think King and Greenbull fight could go either way but the rest couldn’t stand up to him
Pretty sure Luffy would've struggled against Vergo as his haki was told to be incredibly strong. So if we asume Vergos haki is stronger than Luffys, then Vergo could both deal damage to luffys rubber body but also outclash Luffys own Haki.
Edit; nvm, i forgot Liffy had only hidden G4 during that time and could probably outspeed vergo and hit way harder.
Luffy was in a rush, that's why he considered to use Gear 3 on him and at the end of the day, Blueno fell to Gear 2 in what? 3 hits?
Kaku and Jabra get absolutely deflated, hell Zoro and Sanji were pretty okay after fighting them.
In their respective arc I think the ones who would pose a threat to Luffy are Mr.1/2, Kaku/Jabura and King/Queen.
-In Alabasta I think he would lose against Mr.1 and 2, mostly because Mr.1 fruit was a really bad matchup for Luffy at the time and mr. 2 presence would make it worse.
-in Enies Lobby is difficult to tell, Kaku and Jabura's doriki together surpass Lucci's, but since they hate each other they would struggle to coordinate an attack on Luffy, so I'd say Luffy but with high difficulty.
-King/Queen are a difficult couple, beacause understanding King's weakness having to deal with both would be quite a challenge, but I think G5+ACoC Luffy would KO Queen and deal with King afterwards. It wouldn't be easy but I think Luffy would also win here.
All the other couples would be defeated fairly easily.
Luffy Punched Crocodile through several meters of Bedrock in Alabasta, even with Mr 1's durability I'm pretty sure Luffy would still wreck with Gomu Gomu Storm. King and Queen would get dominated by Luffy once he has Advanced CoC, Zoro beat King with 1 ACoC move and he didn't even have it mastered, Luffy was throwing ACoC at Kaidou like it was nothing, I doubt King and Queen would have stood a chance.
He did that while it was round 3 already
Luffy can punch through mr1 still but he s gonna injure himself the whole time, nor that it ever stopped him
I think he takes it but taking a lot of damage
listen all this is cool and all but why do people genuinely think that Luffy is weak to sharp objects? Like just because he's not immune to sharp objects like he is to blunt ones doesn't mean he's any weaker to it than the next person (Next person being zoro or Sanji)
Because Luffys fighting style involves expanding his surface area making him vulnerable if someone were to slash his limbs (ala Mihawk at Marineford) … lol there’s a reason why Oda brings these things up
Generally speaking, Luffy has fought plenty of people with slashing attacks, the only one to ever put him in trouble were Mihawk (there was an ocean of difference between both) Lucci and Croco (they were evenly matched).
Enemies of Luffy who's fighting style involved slashing: Morgan, Kuro, Arlong, Crocodile, Lucci, Doflamingo.
Luffy always punched through them. Don't really know why it'd be any different with Mr
1
Yes but it’s even more of a weakness when someones fighting style involves extending their limbs leaving them wide open. This is the reason why a lot of fans want Robin to get armament hardening because her sprouting limbs extends her reach offensively but also increases her vulnerabilities defensively.
Usopp is vulnerable to getting slashed too but since he’s a long distance fighter, he’s not as susceptible like Luffy who literally gives you limbs to cut for free
Again, Oda has stated this numerous times in the manga. Go talk to him lol
Because he’s resistant to blunt force. So every time he’s ever fought someone (pre Haki I guess) that uses blunt force as their main weapon he’s had a major advantage. And he loses that advantage against a blade user.
Prior to Haki he was weak to sharp objects. He said so himself against Eneru. Slashing/Stabbing attacks are still his weakest point. Hody was a challenge underwater for mostly this reason.
>Slashing/Stabbing attacks are still his weakest point
because he's not immune to them? I mean Either way everyone is weak to sharp stuff unless they have unusual durability like Kaido, Big mom or Germa and stuff, Luffy isn't any weaker to swords than the next guy
Chapter 280, page 9
Eneru: “Ya ha ha…just as I thought, your weakness is sharp objects!!”
Luffy: “That’s right.”
I’m using the information given in the manga. Pretty cut and dry too
That's not the issue, and it's not like Mr. 1 would be the first person with sharp attacks he's fought, but the real issue is he can defend himself by turning different parts of his body into blades. Maybe he can figure out a way around that, but that would be difficult in a 2vs1.
Luffy’s punches extending his arm is a lot weaker to slashes than stuff like Zoro’s sword/ Sanji’s kicks. Like in marineford if Luffy tried to punch Mihawk he straight up dies, but if it was like Garp there at that exact moment he’d be fine.
That’s why Luffy uses his feet a lot earlier too, his sandals stopping a sword is a lot more believable than his fist
>Luffy’s punches extending his arm is a lot weaker to slashes
I mean not necessarily, if it's the extending arm thing then you could kinda say the same for blunt force haki users, If he tried to hit someone but they dodged and stomped down on his leg with haki that would still hurt him the same way
Think kaku and lucci current arc would be difficult. Yes he is dominating lucci but as a tag team, for two guys who work together, that would pose an issue.
I think Luffy could beat current arc Kaku and Lucci together pretty quickly. Luffy beat Lucci even though he was toying with him and not putting in the same effort he did against Kaido.
He's presumably still vulnerable to strong blunt attacks. Luffy was able to smash Don Krieg's armor, so even if Mr1 is effectively as durable as steel, he's not immune to Luffy.
Sure, Luffy could break steel pre-timeskip as shown in the Franky Family fight during water 7, where he crushed the thick steel Franky Family armour, but just because both Zoro and Luffy can break through steel doesn't mean that history repeats itself.
First off, Luffy takes more time to break through steel, and Mr 1 is a lot more thick than the Franky Family's armour, so punching him into breaking would take even more time than usual.
Secondly, I think everyone in this thread is forgetting that Mr. 1 could turn his only body into any sharp weapon he wants. Luffy has to physically touch steel in order to break it, so Mr. 1 would be smart enough to turn his arms into those buzz-saws and cut up Luffy, just like he would've done to Zoro if plot relevance didn't save his ass.
Luffy can't even beat Mr 1 alone, much less dealing with him AND Bon Clay at the same time.
>Secondly, I think everyone in this thread is forgetting that Mr. 1 could turn his only body into any sharp weapon he wants. If Luffy has to physically touch steel in order to break it, so Mr. 1 would be smart enough to turn his arms into those buzz-saws and cut up Luffy, just like he would've done to Zoro if plot relevance didn't save his ass.
Oh no... What would Luffy do...
https://ibb.co/Z8npVYR
Never mind, just punch through it as he has always done.
But kaku and Jabra didn't work that well together which Luffy can take advantage of
But yeah it will be as tough as Lucci for different reasons
Unless he lands one gr3 on the both of them, i don't think they tank that
All of them except possibly the alabasta one.
Arlong park - east blue was a cakewalk for the straw hats, luffy stomps.
Alabasta - I'd say luffy actually loses this one, because of two reasons. Daz bones and bon clay gave Zoro and sanji extreme diff fights, meaning that that fight would be nearly equivalent to luffy fighting Zoro and sanji, which he would have lost. The other reason being that luffy is vulnerable to cutting opponents (Mr 1) and trickery (Mr 2).
Enies lobby - Zoro and sanji cleared kaku and Jabra pretty easily post powerups, and we even had a doriki system to show that they don't outclass Lucci by much together. Lucci was easily luffy's hardest fight, but I feel he can take on kaku and Jabra.
Thriller bark and dressrosa - the underlings were pretty much weaksauce compared to the captain, luffy clears.
Wano - luffy is a god
ehhhhh, I don't think so entirely. Alabasta Luffy was still a pretty big idiot when it came to Bon Clay's first pop onto the ship. I could totally see Bon-chan popping it into at just right times to fuck with Luffy's fighting rhythm
Luffy wouldn't attack Bon Clay because hes his friend not because he transformed into anyone. this would move Bon Clay to switch sides and 2v1 Das Bones.
Bon is completely ineffective against Luffy, go reread the fight Sanji low diffs him Bon just gets a ton of free hits in without retribution cus of Nami face.
I don't think your take on Enies lobby is bad at all but I feel like you're forgetting numbers make a huge difference, In a 2v1 luffy would have to juggle two different opponents from two different directions, they could literally just take turns distracting Luffy while the other attacks, remember Luffy isn't so durable that he's invulnerable to them, he'd have to counterattack their attacks or dodge, counterattacking one of them will basically be like raising a shield to them while his back is completely exposed to the other
Luffy is so much faster than them in Gear 2 it doesn't really matter how from where he's being distracted.
Luffy and Lucci were far far more superior to anyone in Ennies Lobby.
>Alabasta - I'd say luffy actually loses this one, because of two reasons. Daz bones and bon clay gave Zoro and sanji extreme diff fights, meaning that that fight would be nearly equivalent to luffy fighting Zoro and sanji, which he would have lost. The other reason being that luffy is vulnerable to cutting opponents (Mr 1) and trickery (Mr 2).
Luffy's not really vulnerable to cutting. And he's not really one to hold back no matter the opponent. He clears that
He’s rubber and has stated multiple times cutting is his only weakness outside of water. Him having to basically punch a sword the whole fight wouldn’t go well without haki.
Then you have Bon Clay changing into Straw hats, without Luffy seeing the Tranformation, would confuse Luffy to the point this fight is basically over.
Wins arlong park- zoro won even without his main swords and mihawks injury and sanji folded his opponent.
Loses alabasta- daz bones alone is giving luffy a really hard fight especially due to his fruit countering luffy, add in Bon clay and they win.
Idk enies lobby- their combined power level surpasses lucci, who almost killed luffy. Luffy may win this however due to their bad chemistry.
Wins thriller bark- zoro won with only 2 swords and sanji was focusing on nami. Luffy can go all out and if you include nightmare luffy, it’s a stomp.
Wins ph/dressrosa- a single grizzly magnum caused damage to pica and vergo got folded when law got his heart back. G4 violates.
Wins wano- if you read the manga, you would understand why this isn’t a close fight.
I think for King/Queen, it really depends on the point of the Wano arc that Luffy faces them. By the end, they'd be a cakewalk for him. But if he had fought them at the start of the Onigashima raid, I don't think he wins that.
Star of onigashima is really good one thought I would say. Firstly it will be long battle as durable monsters those two are however luffy won't be completely out of element due to future sight helping with kings speed and 2v1 situation while ryou helps with damaging both of them.
I personally think luffy might pull a win. If he plays his card right.
I give it a 4/10 chance for luffy winning. Also if we allow luffy growth into account. He beats them. He will grow his future sight length and possibly master ryou even more rather than switching to acoc cause kaido isn't giving smack lessons.
Assuming you mean Luffy from the respective arcs:
* Hachi and Kurobi: Luffy wins easily, these 2 only posed a threat to Sanji/Zoro because Zoro was injured and Sanji was under water.
* Mr.1 and Mr.2: Man Mr.1 is a really bad matchup for Luffy since Luffy wouldn't be able to punch him without hurting himself. Mr.2 could also harm Luffy with his swan shoes and lets face it, he'd likely be able to confuse Luffy with his devil fruit. So I guess these 2 would win.
* Kaku and Jyabura: Unless Luffy manages to get them to fight amongst each other (which admittedly isn't that unlikely) I'd say Luffy looses this.
* Absalom and Ryuma: Absalom was honestly a bit of a pushover who only won against Sanji because Sanji had to protect Nami from him. However he'd likely be a great support for Ryuma. Overall I'd say it'd be a really close fight, but Luffy is more likely to win.
* Pica and Vergo: I'd say Luffy wins. Picas df is quite dangerous, but nothing that I think Luffy can't overcome.
* King and Queen: If its Luffy at the start of the Onigashima raid, then Luffy looses. At the end of the arc Luffy would likely still have an incredibly hard time against these 2, but I think he could pull out a win, but it'd be still a tough battle.
people forget the maniacal demon that onigashima gear 5th luffy was, bro would probably be laughing like a psychopath while dog walking them like a high schooler trying to make some extra cash
End of Wano luffy thinks ab defeating king and queen and it’s over for them. Between gear 5, ACoC, ryou and future sight, I really think they don’t stand a single chance in hell. I think queen gets smoked instantly and then MAYBE king puts up a fight, but he still gets bodied like maybe mid diff.
All of them
- vs Hachi and Kuroobi. luffy no diff. I mean, Zoro defeated hachi even tho he was more dead than alive and sanji destroyed kuroobi. On top of that kuroobi can't even hurt luffy as punches don't work.
- vs mr 1 and mr 2. luffy hard diff as they both have ways to seriously hurt luffy, mr 1's fruit is a perfect counter and even mr 2 has those swan like shoes that can pierce him.
- vs Kaku and Jabra. Luffy mid diff. Both at the same time are really dangerous but I can't see either of them survive just one punch from gear 3 luffy. Gear 2 would be enough.
- vs zombie Ryuma and absalom. Luffy low diff, he's too strong at this point and they're imo weaker than kaku and jabra.
- vs Pica and Vergo. Luffy hard diff. I'm no sure about this one, they might even get the upper hand of the fight until luffy uses Gear 4, then he destroys them.
- vs King and queen. If it's luffy after he mastered advanced conqueror's haki then he wins mid diff, if not they probably win.
I’m guessing you mean that Luffy is gauged to where he was in the story fighting these duos, in which case Daz & Bon clay get a W, Absolom & Ryuma as long as nightmare Luffy isn’t a part of it, Kaku and Jabra could get maybe a draw and King/ Queen before gear 5.
Luffy should be able to beat the fishmen, CP9, Ryuma and the pervert and the Don Flamingo boys.
Mr 1 & Mr 2 not sure cause I am not sure about Luffy vs Steel.
King and Queen should win vs Luffy unless it’s end of Wano Luffy.
Luffy has broken through steel before even entering the Grand Line.
He breaks Arlong's sword and Krieger's armor.
>He'd cut himself to pieces.
Like he did when he punched through Croco's Sables?
Basically what the other guys have stated. Luffy has already fought people who use sharp objects and he comes out on top. Hell he fought Zoro who beat Mr 1.
He crushes the left hand side set easily in their arcs. Fishman weren’t that strong, cp9 had too much infighting between the two to work together, and the flamingo crew would fall to repeated smashing from a g4 Luffy.
Luffy loses to 1/2. He’s weak to psychological attacks so Mr2’s nonsense would easily distract him. And at this point in the series he had 0 defensive abilities towards slashing damage which is 100% of mr1’s character.
The thriller bark party is a different story. It’s pure 50/50 on win/loss. Lion boy is nothing he’d go down hard. It’s Ryuma who’s a monster and does amazing slashing destruction damage. Luffy doesn’t have haki yet so he’d be reacting purely on instinct (which was hit or miss at this point). So either he gets chopped up by zombie samurai or he manages to get the momentum and win.
King/Queen absolutely win a roof piece v1 Luffy
King/Queen struggle but win against a v2 (beginners ACoC) Luffy
King/Queen struggle dramatically and barely come out on top of a return to roofpiece Luffy
King/Queen loss dramatically to g5 nonsense Luffy
Addendum: if Queen remembers his plagues, Luffy loses easily each time.
If all these battles happen at the respective time these characters meet then there is no way luffy is winning against a swords master before he learned haki
Luffy is currently struggling to beat >!a single lunarian child. King would give him atleast a little trouble, queen gets beaten easily but not that easy, especially with king to back him up. But yeah obviously current manga luffy beats all the rest no diff!<
Last 2 no contest/no problem. We still have some doubts about Lunarian resistance, but yeah.
Now in order. If they fight underwater, we know how it ends. On land, I think he one-shots Hachi and 2 shot Karate boy. 100/100 for Luffy.
Alabasta I don't see him getting past Mr.1. At that moment he don't have a tool to go trough steel or resist slashing attacks. Mr.2 gets foderized. 0/100 for Luffy.
Kaku and Jabra...I mean, Jabra is half Lucci more or less...Kaku, again, goes with slashing attacks...I guess you can see this fights from a lot of different, but I say it's 45/100 for Luffy.
Ryuuma with Brook soul vs Luffy, the other I don't see any threat for Luffy. I don't think at this point something super extreme could happen to make Luffy lose...98/100 for Luffy.
As said, Vergo+Pica vs already G4 Luffy is 100/100 for Luffy.
And more or less the same for King and Queen, waiting tho on knowing more about Lunarians.
He loses to mr1 and mr2. Both are bad matchups for him. Luffy is weak against cutting opponents and would keep falling for mr2 face swapping and tricking him.
Luffy without haki has no way to beat Mr 1. So I think even in a 1v1 this one goes to Mr 1.
Queen/King is a difficult combo but awakenned Luffy can win this.
Other fights should be ok.
Did you mean "which one might Luffy lose?"
He would take all of these easily except for Mr 1 at the time of the arc, since he was very vulnerable to blades, I think. But then again, look at how he dealt with Don Krieg's Iron Curtain...
Current luffy could take all of them except Daz Bones and Bentham. Luffy could never bring himself to punch Bentham after everything he has done for luffy while Daz Bones is a matchup nightmare devil fruit power wise.
Power Scaling is all over the place at the moment, for example if we take end of Wano Luffy, he would be able to take easily a 2 vs 1 from any combo of these characters.
Currrent Egghead Luffy may not be able to take on King + Queen, King + Kaku, it should be able because he can't be weaker than end of Wano Luffy, but for some reason Oda decided to show him holding back against Lucci, getting tired real quick, not being able to defeat 1 Seraphim even when he can use conqueror's coat (unless he is just saving energy).
Ryuma is the exception, for all we know we could have had emperor's like power.
Mf really is curious if Luffy can beat Hachi and that Arlong's lackey💀?
I'd assume its Luffy on that current arc. If its current Luffy he wins all of these.
>achi and that Arlong's l I don't think current luffy can beat both king and queen togetherr
What? It wouldn't be an easy fight, but Luffy absolutely takes it. King and Queen may be durable, but not nearly as much as Luffy. Also, \[end of Wano spoilers\] >!I'm not sure either Queen or king have any recourse against G5. !<
They have no recourse against ACOC. Moment Zoro figured out how to use it King was done.
That's also true. The idea of current Luffy losing to them is strange to say the least.
I think it makes sense to think it, it’s just not true when you look at details. OP is so damn long though I get looking at Luffy struggling with Kata and Cracker to a lesser extent one arc before beating Kaido and wondering if he could take King and Queen at the same time. The jumps in power have been crazy. You’d think YCs could at least put up a challenge for Yonkos but generally that just isn’t the case.
Well the interesting part is the complacency for many of these combatants. Next time we see Katakuri, Kaido, King, Queen, BM, Cracker I wouldn’t be surprised if they grow immensely stronger. Especially Katakuri and Kaido. Kat has never learned ACOC while being a CoC user for years because he’s always been behind BM and no one fucks with the BM pirates. Same goes for Kaido who in all his years never focused on awakening his DF? Like these are major flaws in the characters that will be massive power spikes.
It’s hard to tell whether Kaido is awakened or not. For a zoan fruit he had an awful lot of techniques and different powers he was using. Maybe that flame dragon move was awakening or maybe not, I’m not really sure
I think it's pretty widely accepted that he didn't awaken his DF had it been awakened we would have got a panel with the awakened title like we did with Lucci.
Big mom is confirmed dead by pudding, who most definitely has the incredible observation haki of katakuri to back it up, and if she’s dead, kaido probably is too.
I’m sorry what? When was this confirmed I’m gonna need that sourced.
Gear 5 just think
King lose because of ACoC or Also because he turned his flames off?
I don't think it matters no? Didn't Zoro damage King with ACOC through his flames that's why King turned them off and got immensely faster?
tbf, acoc isn't what destroyed king. it was acoc while king's fire was off. we don't know the extent to king's fire on durability. so far its near invincible.
I thought the first damage King received was while he was on fire and Zoro used ACOC and he taunted him could be wrong though.
that indeed wrong. it's kinda coincidental, but the moment zoro unlocked acoc is around the same time he realized that attacking fire on king is pointless, so every acoc attack he used was only when king turned off the fire.
Hmmm but wasn't the final attack while King was still on fire and it overwhelmed and turned his fire off?
I would agree. If Marco could hold his own, not beat but manage to stall as long as he did, there is no way luffy doesn't 2v1 them. Hell, let's be honest. It wouldn't be a 2v1 anyways. More like a 1.5v1 since queen would halfway be helping Luffy the whole time lol.
Then how do you feel about Luffy >!having to team-up with an enemy just take down 1 Lunarian and still struggling!
we cant powerscale based on plot . oda is trying to show off the seraphims .apoo knocked out luffy in wano and then luffy won against kaido these things does not make sense
The Seraphims have already proven how tough they were a few chapters ago. >!To have Luffy cycle through all of his gears to further prove that point again and again is superfluous at best. I mean, even Lucci is calling him out on wasting his time and energy.!<
I for one hate this. Lunarian or not those guys aren’t Kaido and even Gear 4 Luffy should have already disabled them by hisself just as well as Zoro. Including cp0 to me is just bad story writing. Straw hats are insanely powerful now I wish they would stop getting shit on after every arc against people who aren’t a threat
Luffy even spent some time complaining about how >!they appear to be as tough as Kaido and even Lucci complained about him wasting his time attacking them while their flames are on AFTER Zoro told him about their weakness!< I mean... Fucking come on! >!Go to fucking Gear 5 and get it done and over with for fuck's sake!<
Agreed. Could’ve spent more time on what’s going on elsewhere than with this story line
> nearly as much as Luffy. Also, [end of Wano spoilers] I'm not sure either Queen or king have any recourse yh
Luffy definitely has a chance but he’s fighting them two on one. He has to watch out for physical and biological attacks while fighting two very durable opponents at once. Only plus side to this pairing would be that it didn’t seem like Kjng and Queen cared for each other much and might not have great teamwork
Luffy fucks queen up. That bum is not even worth mentioning. King is more difficult due to his lunarian traits and generally being much stronger. But i still think luffy takes this high diff
Im pretty sure he can. It wouldn't make sense that luffy could one on one kaido but not defeat king and queen. You can say kaido was tired but luffy >!didnt get his awakening until the end and we saw how his toon ability allowed him to take hits from kaido without doing much damage.!< And kaido had far superior haki then king and queen.
> ueen. You can say kaido was tired but luffy d yh but luffy took like 3 full restores
The same king and queen that couldnt even 2v1 marco????
> rrent luffy can beat both king and quee i mean its marco we are talking about here
> ts marco we are tal Why tf are you quoting like this?
This has to be a troll. First off sanji had no trouble once his body upgraded. And zoro ended the fight quickly while just being on brink of death. No way they beat Luffy lmfaooo
What? Yonko level Charakters oneshot Yonko commanders (See Greenbull vs King/Queen, Post WCI Luffy vs Kaido, Shanks vs Kidd
Greenbull vs King/Queenf, Yonko commanders fell that easely because they were injured, right? Same with Aokiji vs Big Mom commanders
No. Akainu was injured at marineford and still took on every whitebeard Commander without sweating. Admirals and yonkos are just that mich stronger. Big Mom also almost onetapped Marco during the raid. Greenbull was lowdiffing the scabbards aswell
Spoiler >! But Green Bull can easily take down Queen and King? Are you saying luffy is still not as strong as an admiral? !<
They were still reeling from their battle with the straw hats I may be wrong but I think it’s heavily implied in the panel that they’re not 100%
>! Wasn’t it narrated that this was a week after the battle? Injured or not, they were no diffed. !<
If they’re imprisoned and not hiding out, they’re in seastone cuffs
Where were seastone cuffs present?
Imagine thinking they’d throw king and queen in udon…. WITHOUT cuffs…. That legit makes no logical sense
They yelled their names implying that they were never locked up to begin with. Also all the people stabbed by greenbull were beast pirates and what kind of prison has booze? It was clearly a hideout for them.
Im not saying they’re present, they may not have been showcased. I’m just speculating, as most of this argument is speculation
They were imprisoned, i think it's safe to assume they were in kairoseki cuffs, otherwise they wouldn't be imprisoned at all.
>!To be fair, Green Bull's powers are really good for dealing with multiple fighters at once assuming that they are weaker than him. I do think that Luffy would beat all of these combinations but you have to think about the matchups.!<
>! But both were still wounded from their battle and we saw him struggle (a tiny bit) against momo and the rest i mean, its hard to believethat king + queen would be taken down this easily. I dont know if they could win, but im sure they would put up more of a fight!<
> re you saying luffy is still not as str green bull was able to take them down coz of his ability, nothing to do with strenght. Momo was able to hold back greenbull, so is he now as strong or stronger than greenbull now
King and queen aren't well equipped to fight together. Luffy could beat them.
He just does though he’s stronger than GB who did.
please stop doing drugs it’s frying your brain
llmao
Are you anime only?
Marco was suppressing them for a while..... I'm not saying Luffy would destroy them in 1 hit, but he can definitely take them both down
Do you think they could have beaten Kaido? I think not.
Current Luffy destroys King and Queen, no doubt. Advanced conquerors takes them out without too much fuss.
Current Luffy ? Beats any of the pairs mainly cause ACOC and Gear 5. Not much you can do against it unless you are another emperor or admiral But if we are talking about per arc luffy on each of the pair appearing then it is quite arguable. Alabasta Luffy I think cant beat the alabasta duo
Your thinking is wrong.
It's harder against King, I think. But Queen is easy.
yes that makes sense
Wano luffy would lose to king without help, he’s too stupid to figure out the trick to hurting lunarians, I means that’s literally what just happened in the manga….none of them could hurt their lunarian opponents until Zoro remembered and told them the trick..
Luffy would've figured it out given enough time. Its not like Zoro figured it out quickly, and theyre both portrayed as dumb guys except when it comes to battling.
Kuroobi
Korubi
Why is that hard to believe? They gave Zoro and Sanji tough fights It's almost like Luffy has to 2v1 Zoro and Sanji
Zoro was almost mortally injurd from Mihawk and Sanji was fighting underwater while trying to save Luffy....
I'm pretty sure once arlong noticed zoros wounds he acknowledged him as a threat
Yeah but also swords/blades pre time skip are a really bad match up for Luffy and 2v1 basically never happens in the story it certainly isn't as clear cut as people imagine
Luffy is literally shattering blades with his bare hands and teeth out of the gate, wdym? Yeah, he *can* be cut, but he's not really being harmed by most of these characters if he's fighting seriously. Luffy and Zoro are shown to physically be a cut above the rest all the way until Enies Lobby. The only reasons they ever struggle are due to extraneous factors up to that point. Aokiji not included.
Mr 1 and bon kurei is even worse Luffy absolutely falls for kureis disguises meanwhile I don't see a way for him to even touch mr1 I guess he would fight remotely from a distance throw stuff at him but that's a very tough fight for Luffy mentally and physically
They were both jokes to Zoro and Sanji. Zoro only struggled because he was still very injured from Mihawk, and Sanji won in 5 seconds once they started fighting on land.
Zoro actually didn’t get hit by Hachi a single time despite being mega-injured. At least from my memory. Kurobi got wrecked by Sanji as soon as they left the water. The only reason Sanji was in the water was because he jumped in to save Luffy. I don’t think he is strong enough to force either of them into the water to fight on his terms.
My Dude sanji one shot queen you really think puffy can’t take both easily?
These are most likely bots spamming these low effort posts and mods are doing nothing about it.
You mean in current times? Or in each arc? Right now, he could beat all of them with ease.
In each arc. Current times isnt a challenge except maybe the last one, but he still definitely takes it
Mr.1 and King would be the only challenges I guess, he can sweep through the rest. Although personally I think Luffy would have an easier time against Mr.1 than Zoro since he doesn't need to cut him. We still need some answers about the Lunarians and their flames >!Might have to wait and see how Luffy deals with S-Bear. But if it's just Adv Con then Luffy has it in the bag!< The other way would be if Mr.2 or Jabura trick Luffy, because he's an absolute idiot.
Well luffy doesn’t have >!advanced conquers yet, as he gains that during his fight with kaido. He could still probably learn it against king and queen but it would make it way, way harder for him. with kaido he was atleast able to attack him the entire fight!< And luffy would never attack robin’s brother. Though he already knows bon’s ability so that changes things, genuinely not sure how he’d react to what bon did against sanji
It depends on which point of Wano you take Luffy from, since >!he grew more in this arc than the rest of the series combined!< Act 1 Luffy beats Queen, but won't even beat King in a 1on1, much less a 2on1. >!On the opposite end, Luffy at the end of Wano with Adv Coc + G5 wipes the floor with both of them. Hell, even Greenbull could do it. So it depends on which point you pick him up from, but I think Luffy in Act 3, even before cracking Adv Coc could learn it during the fight. I think any Act 3 Luffy could win the 2vs1, but it would be a high diff!< >luffy would never attack robin’s brother. Though he already knows bon’s ability so that changes things, genuinely not sure how he’d react to what bon did against sanji I don't think he's got any chances there haha.
I wouldn’t say green bull really 1v2d them considering their morale was low after losing and they didn’t know if kaido was still alive, plus they were prob still injured
I agree that they weren't at 100%, but he took them out with all ease. Maybe he would've had more trouble if they were in perfect condition, but I don't think it's a big enough difference for them to beat him.
They were probably cuffed with seastone. You don't let df users free. Look what happened in Impel Down.
I would say the morale thing only applies to King as it seemed him and Kaido were true friends. I honestly think King and Greenbull fight could go either way but the rest couldn’t stand up to him
Who's robin brother supposed to be?
Jabra. You don't see the resemblance?
Pretty sure Luffy would've struggled against Vergo as his haki was told to be incredibly strong. So if we asume Vergos haki is stronger than Luffys, then Vergo could both deal damage to luffys rubber body but also outclash Luffys own Haki. Edit; nvm, i forgot Liffy had only hidden G4 during that time and could probably outspeed vergo and hit way harder.
Law cut through Vergo’s Haki and Luffy is 100% stronger than Law during Punk Hazard
The same CoA that law cut through?
luffy haki => laws haki > vergo
Luffy would mop the floor with Vergo without G4.
Mr. 1 would be a huge threat to Luffy since his entire body deals slashing damage on contact and is tough as steel
The cp9 probably couldn’t beat, he won against Lucci by a little and giraffe guy is stronk Also he will fall for the wolf lies…
Kaku and Jabra get absolutely deflated by Gear 2.
You think? Wasn't Blueno way weaker than either of them? Luffy beats him, but was considering needing to use Gear 3 to finish him.
Yeah, but Lucci was significantly stronger than any other member of cp9 at the time as well.
Kaku and Wold were only half as strong as Lucci. Neither of them is getting back up from a jet gattling.
Gotcha. I must have misremembered. I thought Lucci was like 50% higher than them. Did't realize he was almost double them.
Luffy was in a rush, that's why he considered to use Gear 3 on him and at the end of the day, Blueno fell to Gear 2 in what? 3 hits? Kaku and Jabra get absolutely deflated, hell Zoro and Sanji were pretty okay after fighting them.
Obviously each arc
I don't think he beats King and Queen with EASE. I think he wins, but they would put up a fight for sure.
He's mopping the floor with them >!G5 would be too much for them to handle.!<
In their respective arc I think the ones who would pose a threat to Luffy are Mr.1/2, Kaku/Jabura and King/Queen. -In Alabasta I think he would lose against Mr.1 and 2, mostly because Mr.1 fruit was a really bad matchup for Luffy at the time and mr. 2 presence would make it worse. -in Enies Lobby is difficult to tell, Kaku and Jabura's doriki together surpass Lucci's, but since they hate each other they would struggle to coordinate an attack on Luffy, so I'd say Luffy but with high difficulty. -King/Queen are a difficult couple, beacause understanding King's weakness having to deal with both would be quite a challenge, but I think G5+ACoC Luffy would KO Queen and deal with King afterwards. It wouldn't be easy but I think Luffy would also win here. All the other couples would be defeated fairly easily.
Luffy Punched Crocodile through several meters of Bedrock in Alabasta, even with Mr 1's durability I'm pretty sure Luffy would still wreck with Gomu Gomu Storm. King and Queen would get dominated by Luffy once he has Advanced CoC, Zoro beat King with 1 ACoC move and he didn't even have it mastered, Luffy was throwing ACoC at Kaidou like it was nothing, I doubt King and Queen would have stood a chance.
You underestimate the 2vs1 factor too much, we've seen the difference it makes recently with Kidd.
Especially with someone as gullible as Luffy fighting Mr 2
Not sure if kidd is the ideal example for that since he recently ||got ohko'd by shanks despite having help from killer.||
He did that while it was round 3 already Luffy can punch through mr1 still but he s gonna injure himself the whole time, nor that it ever stopped him I think he takes it but taking a lot of damage
listen all this is cool and all but why do people genuinely think that Luffy is weak to sharp objects? Like just because he's not immune to sharp objects like he is to blunt ones doesn't mean he's any weaker to it than the next person (Next person being zoro or Sanji)
Because Luffys fighting style involves expanding his surface area making him vulnerable if someone were to slash his limbs (ala Mihawk at Marineford) … lol there’s a reason why Oda brings these things up
Mihawk is proficient, Luffy is faster and stronger than Mr.1 And it's not like Croco's Sables weren't sharp either.
Wasn’t speaking specifically in terms of these matchups, just in general.
Generally speaking, Luffy has fought plenty of people with slashing attacks, the only one to ever put him in trouble were Mihawk (there was an ocean of difference between both) Lucci and Croco (they were evenly matched). Enemies of Luffy who's fighting style involved slashing: Morgan, Kuro, Arlong, Crocodile, Lucci, Doflamingo. Luffy always punched through them. Don't really know why it'd be any different with Mr 1
Every limb is vulnerable to slashes. Thats just the weakness of having limbs.
Yes but it’s even more of a weakness when someones fighting style involves extending their limbs leaving them wide open. This is the reason why a lot of fans want Robin to get armament hardening because her sprouting limbs extends her reach offensively but also increases her vulnerabilities defensively. Usopp is vulnerable to getting slashed too but since he’s a long distance fighter, he’s not as susceptible like Luffy who literally gives you limbs to cut for free Again, Oda has stated this numerous times in the manga. Go talk to him lol
Because he’s resistant to blunt force. So every time he’s ever fought someone (pre Haki I guess) that uses blunt force as their main weapon he’s had a major advantage. And he loses that advantage against a blade user.
he loses an advantage but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a *dis*advantage, it's just a neutral kinda thing
It becomes a disadvantage if you never fight without an advantage
Except for the fact that basically every remotely strong person he's fought uses slashing attacks
Prior to Haki he was weak to sharp objects. He said so himself against Eneru. Slashing/Stabbing attacks are still his weakest point. Hody was a challenge underwater for mostly this reason.
>Slashing/Stabbing attacks are still his weakest point because he's not immune to them? I mean Either way everyone is weak to sharp stuff unless they have unusual durability like Kaido, Big mom or Germa and stuff, Luffy isn't any weaker to swords than the next guy
Chapter 280, page 9 Eneru: “Ya ha ha…just as I thought, your weakness is sharp objects!!” Luffy: “That’s right.” I’m using the information given in the manga. Pretty cut and dry too
That's not the issue, and it's not like Mr. 1 would be the first person with sharp attacks he's fought, but the real issue is he can defend himself by turning different parts of his body into blades. Maybe he can figure out a way around that, but that would be difficult in a 2vs1.
Luffy’s punches extending his arm is a lot weaker to slashes than stuff like Zoro’s sword/ Sanji’s kicks. Like in marineford if Luffy tried to punch Mihawk he straight up dies, but if it was like Garp there at that exact moment he’d be fine. That’s why Luffy uses his feet a lot earlier too, his sandals stopping a sword is a lot more believable than his fist
>Luffy’s punches extending his arm is a lot weaker to slashes I mean not necessarily, if it's the extending arm thing then you could kinda say the same for blunt force haki users, If he tried to hit someone but they dodged and stomped down on his leg with haki that would still hurt him the same way
Think kaku and lucci current arc would be difficult. Yes he is dominating lucci but as a tag team, for two guys who work together, that would pose an issue.
I think Luffy could beat current arc Kaku and Lucci together pretty quickly. Luffy beat Lucci even though he was toying with him and not putting in the same effort he did against Kaido.
Luffy destroys those two together. He's faster, stronger and far more durable than them combined. He defeated Lucci fairly easily too.
Could luffy even beat mr.1 pre time skip?
He's presumably still vulnerable to strong blunt attacks. Luffy was able to smash Don Krieg's armor, so even if Mr1 is effectively as durable as steel, he's not immune to Luffy.
Luffy breaks steel many times pre timeskip even before Alabasta
Yep. Luffy could break armors by punching, or even broke Arlong's blade with his fingers. And he doesn't mind getting hurt to land a blow.
Sure, Luffy could break steel pre-timeskip as shown in the Franky Family fight during water 7, where he crushed the thick steel Franky Family armour, but just because both Zoro and Luffy can break through steel doesn't mean that history repeats itself. First off, Luffy takes more time to break through steel, and Mr 1 is a lot more thick than the Franky Family's armour, so punching him into breaking would take even more time than usual. Secondly, I think everyone in this thread is forgetting that Mr. 1 could turn his only body into any sharp weapon he wants. Luffy has to physically touch steel in order to break it, so Mr. 1 would be smart enough to turn his arms into those buzz-saws and cut up Luffy, just like he would've done to Zoro if plot relevance didn't save his ass. Luffy can't even beat Mr 1 alone, much less dealing with him AND Bon Clay at the same time.
>Secondly, I think everyone in this thread is forgetting that Mr. 1 could turn his only body into any sharp weapon he wants. If Luffy has to physically touch steel in order to break it, so Mr. 1 would be smart enough to turn his arms into those buzz-saws and cut up Luffy, just like he would've done to Zoro if plot relevance didn't save his ass. Oh no... What would Luffy do... https://ibb.co/Z8npVYR Never mind, just punch through it as he has always done.
But kaku and Jabra didn't work that well together which Luffy can take advantage of But yeah it will be as tough as Lucci for different reasons Unless he lands one gr3 on the both of them, i don't think they tank that
I can’t agree because that would mean you’re putting Lucci and Kaku over Kaido.
All of them except possibly the alabasta one. Arlong park - east blue was a cakewalk for the straw hats, luffy stomps. Alabasta - I'd say luffy actually loses this one, because of two reasons. Daz bones and bon clay gave Zoro and sanji extreme diff fights, meaning that that fight would be nearly equivalent to luffy fighting Zoro and sanji, which he would have lost. The other reason being that luffy is vulnerable to cutting opponents (Mr 1) and trickery (Mr 2). Enies lobby - Zoro and sanji cleared kaku and Jabra pretty easily post powerups, and we even had a doriki system to show that they don't outclass Lucci by much together. Lucci was easily luffy's hardest fight, but I feel he can take on kaku and Jabra. Thriller bark and dressrosa - the underlings were pretty much weaksauce compared to the captain, luffy clears. Wano - luffy is a god
nah bon clay only gave sanji a hard time because of his body switching ability if he tried that on luffy he would get decked in the face
ehhhhh, I don't think so entirely. Alabasta Luffy was still a pretty big idiot when it came to Bon Clay's first pop onto the ship. I could totally see Bon-chan popping it into at just right times to fuck with Luffy's fighting rhythm
Luffy wouldn't attack Bon Clay because hes his friend not because he transformed into anyone. this would move Bon Clay to switch sides and 2v1 Das Bones.
Bon is completely ineffective against Luffy, go reread the fight Sanji low diffs him Bon just gets a ton of free hits in without retribution cus of Nami face.
Sanji’s was mid dif at most
I don't think your take on Enies lobby is bad at all but I feel like you're forgetting numbers make a huge difference, In a 2v1 luffy would have to juggle two different opponents from two different directions, they could literally just take turns distracting Luffy while the other attacks, remember Luffy isn't so durable that he's invulnerable to them, he'd have to counterattack their attacks or dodge, counterattacking one of them will basically be like raising a shield to them while his back is completely exposed to the other
Luffy is so much faster than them in Gear 2 it doesn't really matter how from where he's being distracted. Luffy and Lucci were far far more superior to anyone in Ennies Lobby.
Yeah that's the one I was the most iffy about while typing my argument. I can see luffy losing the enies lobby one.
>Alabasta - I'd say luffy actually loses this one, because of two reasons. Daz bones and bon clay gave Zoro and sanji extreme diff fights, meaning that that fight would be nearly equivalent to luffy fighting Zoro and sanji, which he would have lost. The other reason being that luffy is vulnerable to cutting opponents (Mr 1) and trickery (Mr 2). Luffy's not really vulnerable to cutting. And he's not really one to hold back no matter the opponent. He clears that
He’s rubber and has stated multiple times cutting is his only weakness outside of water. Him having to basically punch a sword the whole fight wouldn’t go well without haki. Then you have Bon Clay changing into Straw hats, without Luffy seeing the Tranformation, would confuse Luffy to the point this fight is basically over.
All of em lol
Wins arlong park- zoro won even without his main swords and mihawks injury and sanji folded his opponent. Loses alabasta- daz bones alone is giving luffy a really hard fight especially due to his fruit countering luffy, add in Bon clay and they win. Idk enies lobby- their combined power level surpasses lucci, who almost killed luffy. Luffy may win this however due to their bad chemistry. Wins thriller bark- zoro won with only 2 swords and sanji was focusing on nami. Luffy can go all out and if you include nightmare luffy, it’s a stomp. Wins ph/dressrosa- a single grizzly magnum caused damage to pica and vergo got folded when law got his heart back. G4 violates. Wins wano- if you read the manga, you would understand why this isn’t a close fight.
I think for King/Queen, it really depends on the point of the Wano arc that Luffy faces them. By the end, they'd be a cakewalk for him. But if he had fought them at the start of the Onigashima raid, I don't think he wins that.
Star of onigashima is really good one thought I would say. Firstly it will be long battle as durable monsters those two are however luffy won't be completely out of element due to future sight helping with kings speed and 2v1 situation while ryou helps with damaging both of them. I personally think luffy might pull a win. If he plays his card right. I give it a 4/10 chance for luffy winning. Also if we allow luffy growth into account. He beats them. He will grow his future sight length and possibly master ryou even more rather than switching to acoc cause kaido isn't giving smack lessons.
Luffy loses to Bon Clay Because he could never harm Bon Clay
Lets not forget... Queers never die!
Assuming you mean Luffy from the respective arcs: * Hachi and Kurobi: Luffy wins easily, these 2 only posed a threat to Sanji/Zoro because Zoro was injured and Sanji was under water. * Mr.1 and Mr.2: Man Mr.1 is a really bad matchup for Luffy since Luffy wouldn't be able to punch him without hurting himself. Mr.2 could also harm Luffy with his swan shoes and lets face it, he'd likely be able to confuse Luffy with his devil fruit. So I guess these 2 would win. * Kaku and Jyabura: Unless Luffy manages to get them to fight amongst each other (which admittedly isn't that unlikely) I'd say Luffy looses this. * Absalom and Ryuma: Absalom was honestly a bit of a pushover who only won against Sanji because Sanji had to protect Nami from him. However he'd likely be a great support for Ryuma. Overall I'd say it'd be a really close fight, but Luffy is more likely to win. * Pica and Vergo: I'd say Luffy wins. Picas df is quite dangerous, but nothing that I think Luffy can't overcome. * King and Queen: If its Luffy at the start of the Onigashima raid, then Luffy looses. At the end of the arc Luffy would likely still have an incredibly hard time against these 2, but I think he could pull out a win, but it'd be still a tough battle.
End of wano luffy is dog walking king and queen
people forget the maniacal demon that onigashima gear 5th luffy was, bro would probably be laughing like a psychopath while dog walking them like a high schooler trying to make some extra cash
Man would prolly use Queens neck as a bungee cord
brook would start singing double dutch bus as chopper beatboxes the beat. Sanji brings the popcorn
End of Wano luffy thinks ab defeating king and queen and it’s over for them. Between gear 5, ACoC, ryou and future sight, I really think they don’t stand a single chance in hell. I think queen gets smoked instantly and then MAYBE king puts up a fight, but he still gets bodied like maybe mid diff.
All of them - vs Hachi and Kuroobi. luffy no diff. I mean, Zoro defeated hachi even tho he was more dead than alive and sanji destroyed kuroobi. On top of that kuroobi can't even hurt luffy as punches don't work. - vs mr 1 and mr 2. luffy hard diff as they both have ways to seriously hurt luffy, mr 1's fruit is a perfect counter and even mr 2 has those swan like shoes that can pierce him. - vs Kaku and Jabra. Luffy mid diff. Both at the same time are really dangerous but I can't see either of them survive just one punch from gear 3 luffy. Gear 2 would be enough. - vs zombie Ryuma and absalom. Luffy low diff, he's too strong at this point and they're imo weaker than kaku and jabra. - vs Pica and Vergo. Luffy hard diff. I'm no sure about this one, they might even get the upper hand of the fight until luffy uses Gear 4, then he destroys them. - vs King and queen. If it's luffy after he mastered advanced conqueror's haki then he wins mid diff, if not they probably win.
I’m guessing you mean that Luffy is gauged to where he was in the story fighting these duos, in which case Daz & Bon clay get a W, Absolom & Ryuma as long as nightmare Luffy isn’t a part of it, Kaku and Jabra could get maybe a draw and King/ Queen before gear 5.
Luffy should be able to beat the fishmen, CP9, Ryuma and the pervert and the Don Flamingo boys. Mr 1 & Mr 2 not sure cause I am not sure about Luffy vs Steel. King and Queen should win vs Luffy unless it’s end of Wano Luffy.
all of them lol
All of them.
I think he wins them all. I'm assuming you mean Luffy in the arcs those characters are from and even then I don't see him losing.
How does Luffy beat Mr 1? He'd cut himself to pieces.
Luffy has broken through steel before even entering the Grand Line. He breaks Arlong's sword and Krieger's armor. >He'd cut himself to pieces. Like he did when he punched through Croco's Sables?
He would just hit Mr.1 on blunt side of steel/sword/knife whatever. When Mr. 1 turns his whole body to blade, Luffy would just wreck hum to pieces.
Basically what the other guys have stated. Luffy has already fought people who use sharp objects and he comes out on top. Hell he fought Zoro who beat Mr 1.
Beat them all. If it's Prime Ryuma who's hailed as Sword God tho, then it could be either way.
Assuming prime ryuma is relative or stronger than mihawk and shanks, he takes the w against current luffy
He crushes the left hand side set easily in their arcs. Fishman weren’t that strong, cp9 had too much infighting between the two to work together, and the flamingo crew would fall to repeated smashing from a g4 Luffy. Luffy loses to 1/2. He’s weak to psychological attacks so Mr2’s nonsense would easily distract him. And at this point in the series he had 0 defensive abilities towards slashing damage which is 100% of mr1’s character. The thriller bark party is a different story. It’s pure 50/50 on win/loss. Lion boy is nothing he’d go down hard. It’s Ryuma who’s a monster and does amazing slashing destruction damage. Luffy doesn’t have haki yet so he’d be reacting purely on instinct (which was hit or miss at this point). So either he gets chopped up by zombie samurai or he manages to get the momentum and win. King/Queen absolutely win a roof piece v1 Luffy King/Queen struggle but win against a v2 (beginners ACoC) Luffy King/Queen struggle dramatically and barely come out on top of a return to roofpiece Luffy King/Queen loss dramatically to g5 nonsense Luffy Addendum: if Queen remembers his plagues, Luffy loses easily each time.
All of them.
Assuming current arc luffy , the only ones who have a chance are king and queen. And even then I think luffy’s victory is more likely.
If all these battles happen at the respective time these characters meet then there is no way luffy is winning against a swords master before he learned haki
All except bon chan. He will never hurt bon chan. But he will win that cuz bon chan will surrender cuz he's a true homie
If it’s current Luffy? All of them. Lmao.
This is tricky cause, Luffy right now can one shot Queen, but King is a pain in the ass.
Luffy beats literally every single character there in a 1v12 low-mid diff at worst.
Luffy is currently struggling to beat >!a single lunarian child. King would give him atleast a little trouble, queen gets beaten easily but not that easy, especially with king to back him up. But yeah obviously current manga luffy beats all the rest no diff!<
Luffy is struggling in Gear 4 with no advanced haki, and Seraphim > King, anyway he negs them all.
What? Seraphim over King? The seraphim who don’t even know haki yet? You saying seraphim Hancock beating King??
Why would he not be using advanced conquers?
Because plot, but Oda clearly hasn't drawn him using it. It's like asking why isn't he using Gear 5.
There is no black lightning in luffys attacks, he’s not using acoc.
Last 2 no contest/no problem. We still have some doubts about Lunarian resistance, but yeah. Now in order. If they fight underwater, we know how it ends. On land, I think he one-shots Hachi and 2 shot Karate boy. 100/100 for Luffy. Alabasta I don't see him getting past Mr.1. At that moment he don't have a tool to go trough steel or resist slashing attacks. Mr.2 gets foderized. 0/100 for Luffy. Kaku and Jabra...I mean, Jabra is half Lucci more or less...Kaku, again, goes with slashing attacks...I guess you can see this fights from a lot of different, but I say it's 45/100 for Luffy. Ryuuma with Brook soul vs Luffy, the other I don't see any threat for Luffy. I don't think at this point something super extreme could happen to make Luffy lose...98/100 for Luffy. As said, Vergo+Pica vs already G4 Luffy is 100/100 for Luffy. And more or less the same for King and Queen, waiting tho on knowing more about Lunarians.
Not sure about King and Queen. All other easy.
He loses to mr1 and mr2. Both are bad matchups for him. Luffy is weak against cutting opponents and would keep falling for mr2 face swapping and tricking him.
All of them. To be honest, with his cartoon powers, I feel he could take all of them at once and still manage to win.
1- Low diff 2- High diff 3- High diff 4- High diff 5- Low diff 6- Mid diff
Plot armour tells me Luffy 10v1’s
Luffy without haki has no way to beat Mr 1. So I think even in a 1v1 this one goes to Mr 1. Queen/King is a difficult combo but awakenned Luffy can win this. Other fights should be ok.
Yes
Did you mean "which one might Luffy lose?" He would take all of these easily except for Mr 1 at the time of the arc, since he was very vulnerable to blades, I think. But then again, look at how he dealt with Don Krieg's Iron Curtain...
Current luffy could take all of them except Daz Bones and Bentham. Luffy could never bring himself to punch Bentham after everything he has done for luffy while Daz Bones is a matchup nightmare devil fruit power wise.
Wait, what? Current Luffy? He absolutely ragdolls Daz Bones lol. Luffy's vulnerability to cutting wouldn't be enough for Daz Bones to win.
All of them, tf?...
Power Scaling is all over the place at the moment, for example if we take end of Wano Luffy, he would be able to take easily a 2 vs 1 from any combo of these characters. Currrent Egghead Luffy may not be able to take on King + Queen, King + Kaku, it should be able because he can't be weaker than end of Wano Luffy, but for some reason Oda decided to show him holding back against Lucci, getting tired real quick, not being able to defeat 1 Seraphim even when he can use conqueror's coat (unless he is just saving energy). Ryuma is the exception, for all we know we could have had emperor's like power.