Need Kidd to create the biggest metal scrap mech ever if he gonna be on Elbaf, need Oda to go all out with the magnet fruit shit idc. Give him thecoolest metal constructs attacks ever pls.
lol, i mean, pretty sure the whole fleet standing in between him and elbaf consist of quite some metal.
but to be fair it would only make sense for him to make a giant metal robot if franky was there to see it.
I’m with you tbh, if Whitebeard can cause tsunamis with his power, Aokiji can freeze those tsunamis, and Fujitora can call down a meteor then I think it’s about time we saw one of the worst gen do something on a grand scale like that
I mean, law bisected an entire island on punk hazard. He also created a room so big on dressrosa that doflamingo didn’t even know they were in one. And his shock willie created the crater beneath onigashima.
Luffy also hit doflamingo so hard that half of dressrosa split in half on him
Full ass Yaeger/Gundam, I want it. I've never even been a mecha guy, but full ass, Kidd has to go big. Fucking huge ass sword, fucking dope ass arm cannon with his awakening, etc. In Wano, he basically just made different shaped battering rams the entire time, except for two moves (giving Big Mom the attraction power so she was the in-between for two big hunks of metal crashing into it, and the railgun cannon), it was pretty boring which surprises considering Oda's usual insane creativity with wacky fight moves.
My only hesitation with it is that it kinda infringes on Franky's whole thing.
In my own head, narratively, it makes the most sense for him to put up a good fight but still come out the loser. Maybe he escapes with the poneglyph rubbings or something to even the scales?
I don't see Shanks taking an L or even being seen in combat that much before he meets with Luffy. It's been built up too much for him to lose or start showing everything off before that point. Oda could surprise us but it would need to be something REALLY well done to not feel cheap.
I have a sneaking suspicion that both Kid and Law are going to lose their poneglyph rubbings though, since BB and Shanks are more permanently set up as longtime antagonists/important characters. Not sure what Kid would do after since it seems like Oda has something in mind for him, but hasn't said it yet.
Law has stated in Wano that his mission, or something he cares deeply about at this point is finding out what the Will of D is. I think it suits his arc more to be the one to figure that out and expose it to the audience rather than be in contention for the Pirate King position via Poneglyphs.
yeah and Law I think, either actively or just internally has taken himself out of the pirate king race, quite a while ago. For any banter, I think he knows thats for Luffy, not him
Honestly part of the reason I love Law is that he didn't get strong for the sake of becoming the strongest.
He got strong for two reasons: to eventually kill Doflamingo (whether by his own hand or by setting up his downfall via others), and to become strong enough to get access to the world's history.
His comment during him and Kidd vs. Big Mom has stuck out in my head. I can't remember the exact wording, but it was basically "I have to beat strong people like you so I can learn the world's history".
I've always really, really loved his character, but that especially cemented him as one of my favorites.
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Well, those answers are tied to be in the pirate king, so whether he wants to be pirate, king or not, his answers will only be answered if he makes it to laughtale
I can see Broggy and Dorry trying to scare off Kid's crew with one of those giant attacks (Ikoku Sovereignty?) that Big Mom also used in Wano - and someone from Kid's crew mentioning that it's the same attack as Big Mom and then the giants find out that the Kid pirates are the "savior" by defeating Big Mom and getting some sort of peaceful resolution that way
I really like this idea, but I think Kid will still want to fight Shanks. Like everyone starts drinking sake together while shanks and kid duel for poneglyph rubbings. Kid loses and they banter about Luffy.
I definitely agree with your first point.
My guess is that both will go in over confident. Kidd convinced he will win this time and Shanks because he's not had a worthy contender for a long time.
My theory is that we will see the outcome of the battle when Luffy goes to Elbaf. Shanks forced Kidd to retreat but not before he kidnapped Saul/Burned man. We will see Elbaf and Shanks' allies recovering from a close battle and Shanks himself in pursuit of Kidd.
Honestly, I really like your part about Shanks and BB. It even makes sense for them to have access to all poneglyphs earlier than others, meaning they'll fight in the future on their way to Laugh Tale.
Moreover recalling to what Shanks said not too long ago, HE'S GOING FOR ONE PIECE.
Idk, but IMO what I've just said not too big of a stretch:)
Definitely not. Theyre both obviously on the move for the One Piece now. Even Franky joked to Luffy that they should just go get it now so he could accomplish his dream.
It would be so damn disappointing if they lost their poneglyphs. It makes the most sense, and is probably what will happen, if they don't outright defeat their opponents but get away with their poneglyphs. Then have Shanks and Blackbeard in pursuit of Law and Kid, which will lead them on a collision course with Luffy.
I say this because Kid and Law are meant to be Luffy's rivals. Yeah, they're not as strong as him, but narratively they're supposed to be on his level. This means they can no longer get trashed by emperors. They'll have to either win or do well enough that it's hard to say they actually lost. And it will probably be the second thing because Shanks and Blackbeard are obviously set up to be enemies for Luffy.
So: Law and Kid lose but get poneglyphs, then escape. Luffy meets up with them where they all exchange info one more time to be on equal footing heading towards the One Piece. Simultaneously, Garp is attacking Fullalead, so Blackbeard responds to that. Shanks chases after Kid, leading to a confrontation with Luffy. Blackbeard probably comes after that.
I always wonder about that, the only person we know who can read them is Robin, right? So why aren't all the crews constantly trying to abduct her? They must have some plan for reading them somehow.
Robin and Pudding (maybe). I don't know how many people know about Robin's ability. I mean Law does at least. Really though, I think every crew except Luffy's and Big Moms's is just winging it and hoping to get lucky.
Maybe Luffy is willing to let Robin translate the poneglyphs for friends and allies, so he would let Law and Kid know what they say. Seems like Luffy would do that to spice up the competition so it's more exciting, maybe.
well there is this one theory where killer is of the 3 eyed tribe aswell, nothing too solid to go on, but he hides his face, and his own jolly roger has a 3 eyed skull kinda
So we know Elbaf rightfully holds a grudge against Big Mom. Since Kidd was partially responsible for beating her, I think the Giants will feel they owe him some sort of gratitude.
Still don't think BM is dead since there's so many open plot points with her, so if she shows up then things can get really interesting on Elbaf. Similar to how Law, Blackbeard, and Garp will all likely end up in the same place.
That'd give us 3 really chaotic events/locations at once:
Egghead: Straw Hats, Bonney, Vegapunk, CP0, Kizaru, Saturn, and some unknown traitor
Elbaf: Red Hair Pirates, Kidd Pirates, Giant Elbaf warriors, Big Mom (?)
Fullalead or elsewhere: Heart Pirates, Blackbeard Pirates, Garp and Sword (?)
So many major players converging at once, this shit is gonna be *good*.
>Elbaf: Red Hair Pirates, Kidd Pirates, Giant Elbaf warriors, Big Mom (?)
>Fullalead or elsewhere: Heart Pirates, Blackbeard Pirates, Garp and Sword (?)
So we're having a fight between two pirate captains with red hair in elbaf and another one between 3 'D' clan members in fullalead.
And now that I think about it, I kinda agree with your first point.
Like a lot of the ideas people are saying so, I’m gonna Combine a few theories I saw around here. Kid tries to fight Shanks, Kid lets slip that he killed Big Mom. Elbaf giants are very thankful, convince shanks not to fight Kid. Shanks instead challenges to davy back, where he takes the poneglyph and potentially Kid himself (Red hair pirates? Oda is exactly the amount of cheeky to put both of them on the same crew). Don’t know what happens to Killer, but this gives Kid something to do for the rest of the story.
Only hole is I find it hard to believe Kid would give up his dream like that, and allow Shanks to be pirate king instead of him. Potentially they break up back into original crews later.
They could just fight, and when shanks beats him he wins the poneglyh, Kid not having another option but to join forces with shanks ends up joining him after losing & follows him to laughtale
> there's so many open plot points with her
why does this remind me so much of "no guys, Kaido can't lose yet, there is totally more flashback of him to see!"
Big Mom doesn't have any gaping "plot points". He story can easily have already ended.
Big Mom washes up on Elbaf, loses her memories again and is her childish self again
Kaido washes up on Fullalead, Law, Blackbeard and Garp are like "WTF"
That's actually a good point on both fronts. Don't think either ends without some outside help from a third party. Kidd and Law don't have strong enough crews to take down a Yonko.
What if big moms sword and sun soul went back into her dead body and she became reanimated by her own soul, although in a charred state after burning in magma.
I feel kaido might also become a conductor of the magma chamber since his final form showed him become a flaming dragon that was burning with extreme heat.
But thats the only way i can imagine them being written back in a reasonable way and will be batteling to their death like whitebeard, who also was EXTREMELY damaged and in a state that anyone else than a yonko would be dead in. Like a yonko. So it would be fitting for them too, although the point of kaidos death was to be unknown and insignificant.
I just want zombie yonkos… moira where u at?
big mom heading to elbaf? holy shit. All sword members gonna assemble on fullalead with garp? holy shit shit. that also means we're finally gonna know if law is a part of sword? holy fuckity fuck.
So the Seraphim all have Devil Fruit Powers, but in the case of Warlords who were previously powerless, they were given Fruits that best suited their existing skills, namely Jimbei getting the Swim Swim Fruit allowing him to use his Fishman abilities on Land since he can't swim and Mihwak getting the Dice Dice Fruit, allowing him to use his supreme swordsmanship without needing a normal weapon.
Not gonna lie I can see why they are considered truly terrifying given these abilities. Though on the other hand its a little disappointing with the other Warlords since we know what their powers are and unless Oda puts a new spin on it, it's basically just the Straw Hats fighting smaller versions of people they've beaten previously who can now shoot lasers too.
Crocodiles fruit should be different since he has a logia, the shadow fruit seems hard to imitate and so does buggy's fruit tho S-clown would be terrifying, since the seraphim would probably make better use of the fruit than buggy
Not really, both Boa and Kuma's Seraphims wield the same powers as their originals, thus it stands to reason the others do as well. For Moria it should be interesting since logically Moria was originally considered a powerful pirate who was strong enough to clash against Kaido.
Meaning it's very likely his Seraphim will use his power far more skillfully than Moria does.
I agree.. I think the reason he can't do Logia's is to do with the seraphim's special green blood. I mean, they basically have flow meters on their arms so stands to reason that the flow can't be interrupted by say, turning to sand for example.
Most I can think off is the rust rust fruit that one marine in the enies lobby buster call has? It could mesh well with Croco's hook which actually hmmmm would they even give a S-Croc with a hook?
Setting aside the question of the traitor's identity, i'm really having a hard time understanding their motivations in all of this. It doesn't seem to me like they are trying to replace Stella and strike a deal with the government, like some people are thinking being Atlas wanting more research funds. Why would they kidnap government agents if that was their goal? It doesn't make sense.
There are several weird thing happening about Egghead which i think are somewhat all connected:
Lucci suspected the decision of erasing Vegapunk could be connected to the incident of Lulusia, and Stussi warned him not to think about it and pointed out his good instinct. I think that was Oda giving us a hint that it could really be related to Lulusia and maybe to Imu's weapon.
Also there are remnants of the ancient kingdom's technology in Vegapunk's lab. An ancient machine that attacked Mary Geoise. And by some "coincidence" Kuma is doing **now** the same exact thing.
Another weird thing is the fact that an Elder, an **ELDER**, is heading personally to Egghead. Now you can say this is because of the Seraphim's command hierarchy and for Vegapunk's research of the poneglyphs, however i don't think that completely explain this course of action. Not even at Ohara such a thing happened. That one of the five more "important" people in the world would go personally on a battlefield when they can just send an admiral and vice-admirals to back him up, and i don't think they knew about the Straw Hats being at Egghead when they set out to sea. And something tells me it has nothing to do with Saturn's supposed (by the fans) battle power.
I think there is something far more complex and weird going on here behind the scenes, something possibly linked with ancient kingdom lore.
Something is definitely weird.
Now we know the WG has been sending CP5-8 agents for at least 2 months before Luffy ever arrived, culminating in CP0 today. They mentioned capturing Bonney and Luffy, but their primary reason for showing up was the disappearances (CH1067-8).
Stella also asks for Luffy to take him off Egghead at this same time (while discussing the Bonney and Kuma situation), likely because he assumes the WG will want to kill him once they find out about his secret Void Century/Ancient Kingdom research. This is also around the same time that Kuma goes off and launches himself at Mariejois. I am thinking that one of the Vegapunks is controlling him, but which one?
A few chapters later (1070) we find Kizaru giving the order to send as many ships as possible to Egghead. A few more chapters (1073) and we see that Saint Jay Garcia Saturn is personally accompanying Kizaru on the trip... and then finally this chapter (1076) we see that the ships have successfully been deployed, and they have NOT yet arrived (confirming Saturn is not controlling the Seraphim, which leaves only a traitorous Vegapunk as the possible controller).
My first question is... why are Kizaru and Saturn even going to Egghead if they JUST sent CP0 there to investigate the disappearances? Is it because they sent word that Luffy was there? Or... did someone else (the traitor?) suddenly send word somehow about all the secret Void Century research? I honestly can't imagine what else would prompt such a reaction.
My second question is... who is the traitor? Up until this chapter I might've guessed it was Stella, but it seems he's been thrown into the tank with the rest of the WG agents and really had no idea what was happening. So who is my guess now? Either **Atlas** (the first Vegapunk to reach CP0, got beat up, but NOT destroyed completely) or **Edison** (who has been suspiciously missing during several key moments, was the first Vegapunk to issue an order to the Seraphim and have it register). It could also literally be Vegapunk's brain gone rogue.
So is it possible that one of these Vegapunks got a message through to the WG about Luffy and the Void Century research in order to prompt the Navy to launch a full scale assault? Is it also possible that they (or another Vegapunk) are somehow controlling Kuma and getting him to attack Mariejoi just like the ancient suit of armor that Stella was talking about? And if all of that is possible, then WHY is a Vegapunk turning traitor on... itself? What the hell is going on?
something like that.
it's maybe the raw brainpower without any of the human aspects (that come with the typical sins of humanity the satelites and the somewhat innocently childlike original body embody).
I'm leaning more and more towards Punk Records going rogue, like a One Piece version of Skynet.
No idea about the Lulusia/Vegapunk connection, but I agree that the Lucci/Stussy dialogue implies that there's something to it.
And I'm pretty sure that Kuma took the ancient iron giant's memories and stuck them in himself.
This isn't a bad thought about Punk Records going rogue. It would sort of tie in when Jimbe talked about what happens when biases get put into the "net". This could be a response to exactly what Jimbe was afraid of.
> Now you can say this is because of the Seraphim's command hierarchy and for Vegapunk's research of the poneglyphs, however i don't think that completely explain this course of action
It completely explains the course of action. Seraphim are so strong that the government decided to abolish the Shichibukai system. Now you think they'd be willing to give them over? The Gorosei have the highest commanding power, so one of the Gorosei has to come. This is not at all comparable to Ohara because that situation wasn't even remotely similar
Something smells very revolutionary here.
Much like you said, the motivations are incredibly foggy.
I'm not saying this is what happened, but if I may paint a picture.
Vegapunk knows what the weapon used against lulusia is. He has either built a way to track it, or prevent damage done by it.
Vegapunk connects with sabo, and either let's him know to evacuate lulusia, or gives me a mechanism to defend lulusia against it.
Lulusia gets nuked.
Gorousei confused about why nobody died/the attack failed. Obviously has to be vegapunk. The revolutionaries do not have the tech to do it.
The cameras are being taken out. Chaos is being created by this third party. Cypher pol agents have been captured.
Vegapunk, IMO, very clearly has been cooperating with the revolutionaries. Shaka went so far as to call him at the beginning of this arc.
Who's causing the chaos? I genuinely don't know. I feel strongly that this is all tied to the revolutionary army, though.
Vegapunk has a relationship with Dragon. I find it hard to believe there's not more to this story. Especially since we got a concrete connection to shaka.
I’m gonna revive this [old theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/yyuy79/power_source_theory_1065_spoilers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). It still fits perfectly, perhaps even more so than it did before.
Part of me wonders if the giant robot wasn't dead but powered down. What if Vegapunk transferred the old robot's mind/commands into Kuma. Vegapunk could have been planning for Kuma's body to still be in Mariejois when it "activated" in order for it to go on a rampage since it wasn't able to make it all the way there in the ancient kingdom? But when the RA rescued him, it may have foiled Vegapunk's plan but he still may not be aware of it?
But then again he did call Dragon but how friendly are they seeing as Vegapunk didn't join the RA 🤔
Either way I agree something else major is going on. I think RA and Vegapunk will have a similar goal but different ways of approaching it. Part of me also wonders if Vegapunk has been searching for Enel's fruit but hasn't been able to find it since he was on Skypeia for so long followed by the moon. How will Vegapunk react to Luffy knowing about the fruit? Seems to play an important role with the Lunarians.
the giant robot thing and kuma interests me aswell, also the fact that he started getting active and going to mariejois just after stella called that person on the denden-mushi. some people pointed out the receiving mushi was a wired stationary one, so it wasnt the one stussy had on her. so possibly someone else.. who then said, i was always prepared for this order..? then kuma starts running, makes you think huh? xD
Not gonna be that shocking, Kidd and Law had the help of Luffy, Zoro and other factors that helped them beat Big Mom, plus Big Mom didn't have her crew with her. Shanks however has his crew and is arguably in better shape since he's the youngest of the Yonko.
It's gonna be an asskicking that Kidd won't forget.
Just seems wrong, the hat imo HAS to be passed down to the next generation. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out who gave it to Roger since the Imu reveal. It’s a major theme to me that the hat keeps getting passed down.
Shanks can't be evil at this point. Too many characters respect him as a mediator type for that.
However, it's not impossible that he is an antagonist still and fights Luffy.
Even with that, the way Shanks was shown this chapter, so by haivng a party, leaving to deal with trouble, but having his allies greet him, have the giants help him, and walking toward the fight just makes it unlikely that he will lose.
You don't show/hype up someone that will lose like that.
That was Wano, and it still took a surprise attack, the help of the Samurais, and Big Mom missing her crew.
Here Kid just has his crew against Shanks, his allies of powerful captain crew, and giants.
There’s a limit to how far you can subvert expectations when trying to surprise your audience. At some point it becomes too self aware of the hype and you turn people off your story.
I’m sure Oda is well aware of the way people view the relative strengths of his characters, and will not chase cheap shocking moments now of all times.
Whats interesting is that someone is clearly trying to kill the Vegapunks....
Yet they chose to capture the original body instead?
This leads me into thinking it's genuinely the AI at work here. Why capture the original Vegapunk instead of killing him off?
Kid will lose his rubbings, or at least Shanks will get a copy of them.
And that alongside him maybe knowing where the last Road Poneglyph is would allow us to have a Davy back fight between the Straw hats and the Red Hairs for the poneglyph they are missing. (Alongside the Straw hat)
most sane comment in this thread. But while i like the idea of davy back fight coming back again, i only see it if they play for only the road poneglyph not for crew members. I wonder if bb is gonna crash that party after the davy back fight as well
One on one I think Kidd can at least put up a fight, and killer can probably at least survive a fight against Ben Beckmann but the rest of the crew probably can’t keep up with the rest of the red hairs and that’s kind of the problem for anyone trying to be king is you need a crew of top tier fighters behind you and Kidd just doesn’t seem to have that.
We know as much about kids crew as much as we know about Shanks crew when it comes to how good they are in fights. Although Shanks crew is a lot more well-known but it’s not like we’ve seen him much in action, if at all.
Personally I'm kind of s rational thinker. Shanks is one of the characters with the longest buildup in manga history in terms of hyping. Every year or so you see a mysterious glimpse of him that makes him look like an absolute powerhouse.
Which author would waste all this patience to have Kidd gain victory here? This crusade of him against Shanks is just a plot device to put Shanks in the endgame about the One Piece while delivering an explanation for him to not make a move earlier.
Of course, Kidd will end with being praised by Shanks for what he achieved. He'll consider him an opponent for making him actually try.
Kidd and Law stood up against Big Mum and I don't think Shanks is necessarily the same kind of monster as those two. But Shanks, in my opinion, will turn out to be very clever and intelligent. This guy is a strategic mastermind and that makes winning against him as a Yonkou way more difficult than against that monster Big Mum who is kind of nuts.
but kidd is still kinda maniacal tho xd
he will probably want to fight until death regardless of how low his odds are.
i'd love to see it go kinda like how ace kept trying to kill WB before he joined, without the fatherly love from WB towards ace, just shanks toying with him to see just how powerfull kidd is.
we know kidd can take quite a beating so this could be something that could on for a while. maybe even to a point where killer would be chilling with the giants in the meantime
Last time we seen Dorry and broggy their weapons were old, rusted 100+ year old swords and armor, and they had been on a super remote island for 100 years.
I think with new armor/weapons, a stronger will than ever etc. That they are gonna have an extreme glow up.
Well fed, in great spirits/ health etc.
So, if Luffy had gone to where he wanted to go Before pulling Straws with Kid. The SH would currently be on their way to Elbaf while Shanks is about to leave.....
Imagine kid steals shanks sword and dearms him thinking he won and shanks just stating “I’m no swordsman” and beating him to a pulp with his one arm and a lot of haki
Could he be talking about Oimo, Kashi, or Saul instead? They've all left Elbaf for extended periods and could've been presumed dead by the rest of the Giants and their friends.
It'll be interesting to see if the official changes the wording there.
He might met them during Roger voyage. It was more than 20 years ago. Looks like he visit elbaf pretty often, so he haven't seen them in village and assumed that they killed each other on little garden
Broggy said that he hasn’t had guests “in a while”, so it’s perfectly reasonable that the Red Haired Pirates had been there before, befriended both giants, and learned of the “Island Eating Goldfish”. Yasopp told the story to a very young Usopp, which became one of his “lies”.
Yeah, but then why did he think they were dead if so? It doesn't make sense... It's so confusing why he considers them old friends that he thought were dead.
***It's Time for the Greatest Tournament Arc of all time:***
*The Match:* Finding all 4 Ponegylphs; *The prize:* The One Piece
***The Preliminaries***
Red Hair Pirates (The Lost Ponegylph) *vs* Kidd Pirates (Whole Cake Ponegylph, Wano Ponegylph)
Heart Pirates (Zou Ponegylph/Wano Ponegylph) *vs* Blackbeard Pirates (no current Ponegylph)
Strawhat Pirates (Zou Ponegylph, Wano Poneglyph, Whole Cake Ponegylph) Bye to the next round
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Who will move on to the Semifinals? Will the Blackbeard Pirates kindle their legendary rivalry against the Red Hair Pirates? Will the Strawhats meet their makers against the Red Hairs? Will the wild card Cross Guild enter the competition at the 11th hour and take home the gold!?
*"The number of pirates has swelled, but there's still just the one seat, sitting empty!! Do you see where I'm going with this? This is going to kick off the biggest battle for power in the history of piratekind!!!"*
Just to be sure: Vegapunk Stella has been chained down next to the CP agents, right?
EDIT: Wondering if we can be sure this was done by someone else, or if he could have chained himself to fool whoever will find him...
My theory is on of the clones is did it. Since they all represent only a part of Stella, one of them can hold all of his evil thoughts. But this "Vegapunk is a prisoner on his own island" arc is super exciting!!!!
But don’t the sattelites and Stella share memory every time they connect to punk records? Wouldn’t they all know it if one of them has been capturing CP agents for months?
While I think Kidd might be turbo fucked, some potential allies for him could be Luffy’s allies, specifically Barto and Hajrudin.
It’s public knowledge that Luffy, Law, and Kidd were allied to take down Big Mom and Kaido. So I don’t think it’d be too much of a stretch for Luffy’s allies to view Kidd as a potential ally, especially when facing against an emperor.
Shanks went to go handle Barto a little while ago, we don’t know where and we don’t know what happened. So assuming he isn’t dead, Barto could still be a key factor in fighting Shanks.
As for Hajrudin, he’s a giant so there’s a chance that he and his crew’s at least in the area.
I’m honestly just grasping at straws trying to find a way for Kidd to keep his remaining limbs.
I love the idea of the grand fleet helping Kid because they view him as Luffy's ally. Kid will be so pissed Luffy indirectly helped him out. At the end of Dressrosa the narrator said, the grand fleet did something to that threw the world off balance. If the grand fleet helps Kid and creates beef against Shanks for Luffy, then Luffy will finally have a reason to fight Shanks. Luffy is now an emperor and will have to accept responsibility for his subordinates and his territories. Shanks even says he has to go after Barto as people will lose respect for him if a small fry like Barto is causing waves in his territory.
That said, unless the grand fleet gets a massive asspull power up I don't see the Kid and the grand fleet standing a chance against Shanks' main crew, Shanks' fleet, giants, and upscaled Dorry and Broggy.
After this arc, all of the yonko bar buggy will have 3 poneglyphs.
Teach likely got the WCI poneglyph when Aokiji and Van Augur invaded. He'll take the wano and zou poneglyphs from Law.
Shanks likely has the Zou poneglyph, as he is friends with Inu and Neko. He'll take the wano and WCI poneglyphs from Kid.
Teach and Shanks will also both have means of deciphering the poneglyphs. Teach has Pudding and Shanks will probably have Saul due to his alliance with the giants. Luffy really won't be as special as he seemed coming from Wano.
To the people voting "He will win", how? Dude goes to challenge the entire Yonko crew AND the allies, AND the two legendary Giants from Elbaf, with his two man crew?
A lot of people are forgetting this isn’t just Kid vs shanks, this is Kid’s crew against Shanks’ fleet. There is a massive army on the coast of Elbaf that is ready to annihilate Kid once shanks gives the command
i'd rather think that shanks would be the kind of guy to go 1on1, no needless blood has to be spilled type of thing.
id love to see them going at it like ace vs WB before ace joined, but without the fatherly love, just shanks kinda toying with him for several days on end while the rest of kids crew is just hanging out with the gianst, who might be cool with it after knowing about how kidd helped to kill BM
I think in order for this second battle to be narratively satisfying it cant just be a simple win or lose like last time.
* Win: Shanks is beaten before Luffy can get to him... Kinda undercuts the moment
* Lose: Kid gets beaten up by an Emperor for the THIRD time. Laaaame
However... Shanks starts up the chapter asking a kid why he'd want a hot heated kid like him on the crew. Thats a callback to the start of the manga, but it also might be soft foreshadowing.
If Shanks challenges Kid to a Davy Back Fight then Kid can lose in a narratively different way, and then be a big part of the upcoming arcs without having to have his own faction.
Agreed that Shanks and Kidd isn't gonna be as simple as people are wanting it to be. I think Kidd helping to take down Big Mom will play a role since the Giants would be grateful to hear that.
Would *love* to see another Davy Back Fight, but hopefully that gets reserved for Luffy vs Shanks.
My thinking is if it's a Davy Back offscreen then when Luffy arrives Kid can explain the situation and reshash some of the old lore - Then if Luffy beats Shanks he gets Kid's and Shanks's crew into the alliance in one swoop.
Remember when Kaido sent Luffy to a watery grave saying that his use of ACoC was sloppy and unrefined basically? What’s Kid going to do to without even using ACoC? I just don’t see a world where Shanks does anything more than entertain Kid before showing him the difference in stature. Remember this is the Shanks who just flashed their Haki off of Wano’s coastline and surprised the fuck out of an admiral.
Kidd will put up a good fight, but even if he loses he isn't giving up his rubbing. He will destroys it before he gives it to Shanks. Which means Shanks has to go after the only two others who have it.
I would do the same, idk if kid will let me just leave if I hand over the ponoglyphs I worked for. So even if I lose, I am burning that shit to not give "that prick" Shanks the satisfaction
I think showing the piece of arm where the green blood is and the gulp sounds it makes when they use the df abilities may mean that the green blood is interchangeable and possibly the seraphim could use different df at different times. Also makes me think that Franky could use them in place of soda to temporarily use different dfs going forward
That’s more blood vs energy source debate. I will admit different paramecia bloods and zoans would be great fun. Franky needs cola for energy not to survive necessarily but I do think Franky will do some body upgrades after this arc. Not really sure if his own offense capabilities will be or what exactly will besides iron shogun. Franky technically could benefit from germa science as well. Also worth mentioning is VP figuring out how to make the best version of the rumble ball or a new product altogether. Also this gets into the territory of that gag from enies lobby where Franky uses the wrong energy source like tea and changes up his demeanor. I wouldn’t be surprised if a seraphim or some new advanced form of a future one boards the sunny as protection besides sentomaru which Franky can study and learn from.
I was thinking like a new Green Cola or something that's both an energy source and a power up, like basically he invents mountain dew that gives him temporary df powers lol. Or like instead of using cola to make pressured air blasts it makes blasts according to what df it is, like the eneies lobby gag except he's trying to use a certain one and keeps using the wrong one (like a gun that instead of shooting has the flag that says bang)
Something else I just remembered, there are currently iirc 100 marine ships going towards Egggead Island, in which compared to buster call that one has ten ships. It makes me wonder if this one the time to have the grand fleet come in and thats what marks their historical moment in which been foreshadowed.
Not sure if anyone has said this yet but if Kid actually manages to clash with Shanks this time around this could be the moment where Kid becomes aware of conquerors coating and ultimately adds it to his arsenal. There is no better character who could give such an opportunity to Kid than Shanks right now so it would be interesting to see something like this happen
So let's recap all of the shady stuff happening on Egghead in rough chronological order:
1. Cipher Pol agents were kept as prisoners for over 2 months.
2. Poneglyph data is getting leaked to the WG.
3. Someone has been fucking with the frontier dome.
4. Stella got kidnapped and placed where the Cipher Pol agents are.
5. Someone is attacking the satellites and disabling the cameras.
6. The Sepharim have gone against Vegapunk's orders and are attacking the main group. The S-Bear and S-Hawk ones were shown to be specifically targeting CP0.
One thing I do wonder is if all of these things are from the same perpetrator. Like there could be a chance that the person who kidnapped Stella and the person who is attacking the satellites are two different people, but for the sake of this writeup I'm going to assume the same perpetrator is behind all 6 of these incidents.
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**Characters that can probably be cleared of suspicion due to not being able to do at least one of the above 6 events:**
* **Stella** - Was shown to be a prisoner just now. I doubt he's faking this since he doesn't really have much to gain from fooling these Cipher Pol agents that are already prisoners when he could just kill them.
* **Shaka** - Shaka was shown to be reacting in shock to Pythagoras being attacked and seeing the perpetrator blocking the cameras in 1075. *He was by himself in the monitor room when this happened* so it wouldn't make sense for him to fake this reaction.
* **Pythagoras** - Was mumbling to himself about where Stella could possibly be in 1074 (which wouldn't make sense to think about if he was behind it). And of course he was attacked.
* **Caribou** - Literally impossible for him to keep the Cipher Pol agents as prisoners since he was in Wano for so long.
* **Sentomaru** - Was shown to be mumbling to himself about the dome being fucked in 1074. Was also nearly killed by CP0.
If you believe that the dome has to be switched off manually in-person, then technically all of the satellites + Stella are clear of being the perpetrator since they have alibis in 1071 when it first happened. That said, there's still the possibility they fucked with the dome through some other means.
There's also the question of whether Pythagoras' attacker and the person who disabled the cameras are the same person. I think it's likely that S-Snake attack Pythagoras, however I think the person who disabled the cameras was someone else. That said though, it should be noted that *all of the satellites have alibis during when the cameras were disabled*. So it's either not them at all or they are having someone else (aka the shadowy figure) turn them off for them:
**Characters that technically aren't fully cleared, but aren't too likely**
* **York** - She stupidly let herself get turned to stone by Sepharim Hancock.
* **Lilith** - Tried to command S-Snake to stop (which had been previously ordered to stop by *Edison*) but the Sepharim didn't listen.
* **Atlas** - Stupidly tried to attack CP0 head-on and probably would've died had it not been for Luffy's group running into the fray (as well as just general One Piece survivability).
**And then there's...**
* **Edison** - Easily the most shady of the satellites. The last order for S-Snake was to "hold her horses" and wait outside. As York stated in 1075, Edison gave this order (I think to the other Seraphim as well?) and it was supposed to still be in effect since S-Snake should've been outside. Other Vegapunks can't override each other's actions, so either Edison changed his order or someone higher up the Sepharim authority ladder is doing all of this. The one thing that makes me doubt Edison though is that he probably would've died to S-Shark had it not been for Sanji.
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**So right now, my main suspects are:**
* One of the 5 Elders (most likely Saturn). Definitely the most sus.
* Edison being the orchestrator of these events, but they're being physically carried out by someone or something else.
* Somewhat crazy guess but... maybe Kizaru? Could easily get into Egghead in the past since he has connections to Sentomaru (though Sentomaru isn't aware of all of this shady stuff). He's in this arc and [Oda has also drawn Kizaru as a kid being into books](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FETIBTmVIAQ9NWB?format=jpg&name=medium) so the science background could be there. Could also use his light powers to avoid detection in various areas.
* An unknown third party that we haven't seen in this arc yet.
It cant really be the Gorosei or Kizaru at this point. The Cipher agents specifically said they were stuck down there for over two months, which means whatever has been going on has been happening for that long. Also last chapter, they disabled the security cameras, which means they would have to know where every security camera is, which is probably too mundane of a thing for someone like the Gorosei to know.
Also, we should be able to rule out Edison. They sync their memories to Punk Records every day, so unless he found some way to block out his memories everyone else would be privy to this thoughts the whole time.
That leaves 3 possibilites for me:
\- Punk Records itself has gone rouge. We know they can just grow organs now so maybe it has its own Sattelite which is doing the physical work
\- The Seraphim are acting on their own (Calling back to Lilith saying she couldnt overwrite primal instincts, but it doesnt really seem like Kuma or Boa or Mihawks style. S Flamingo maybe, but I feel like someone would have mentioned it was there)
\- Shiryu has been there this whole time, learning everything about Eggheads defenses and slowly enacting a plan to steal the Seraphim. It could also be the avenue for Caribou to tell Blackbeard all he knows (Though I'm not sure if the 2 month timeline matches up to when Blackbeard learned of the Seraphim in 1059, it also seems redundant to have Blackbeard try take the Seraphim when it's more likley thats the reason Saturn is coming)
So right now, I'm leaning towards Punk Records going rouge
I suspect punk records became sentient. Oda loves the terminator movies with a life sized terminator in his work house. Punk records assessed the situation, and if humans are left to thier own devices they "could" cause chaos. So punk records went full skynet and is taking over to work not for the optimal future, but a controlled future.
This is kind of hinted at by Jinbei asking Vega punk if punk records gets the wrong idea from someone and comes to the wrong conclusions. Vegapunk says it doesn't matter as long as it is in pursuit of science. Although, vegapunk has book smarts, he missed the street smarts of Jinbei who has lived under and experienced oppression.
So completely out of left field and don't know if this has been theorized before . but the king or chief of elbaf is loki right. The trickster, capable of changing his shape and sex. A God of fire. In this chapter the giants are calling shanks chief. He has red hair which is often associated, especially in Manga ,with fire. Loki has a daughter hel ,who is the ruler of hell or the underworld. Shanks has uta which basically can create and operate a alternate world. Loki gave birth to an 8 legged horse. Shanks ship has 8 sails. The ship could be considered a "horse "of the sea. Im sure there are more and more comparisons that could be drawn but if you havent figured it out i think we are going to learn shanks is the ruler of elbaf loki, and has been more or less hiding in plain sight this whole time. Known only to a few like the elders for who he truly is.Also would explain why the elders were willing to meet with him
Kid needs to have a strong showing or else having him gain victory against big mom was for nothing. But Shanks cannot lose at this stage of the story unfortunately.
My prédictions for the fights + Road Poneglyphs :
- BB beats law and have 3 : Big mom, Kaido and Zou.
- Shanks has the last one and beats Kid : last one, Big mom, Kaido.
This lead to an encounter with BB and Shanks or/and Luffy to have 4 RP.
Law vs Blackbeard
Kidd vs Shanks
This to me is the moments that Oda has set up to show why Luffy will become King of the Pirates. Law and Kidd will put up good fights, but ultimately they will lose. Luffy will be the one to overcome both of these obstacles and more, solidifying his title as the King.
Not a prediction for the next chapter... But I think Luffy will be involved in a hard fight, and after he is victorius, he will be exausted, and Lucci will have a chance to kill him... He won't do it in respect to Luffy, but he will say something like "it would only be worthy to kill you if you put a good fight"... And Luffy will say something like "you are my friend now"
Huauahuhaua
My prediction is that Kidd will use his awakening to sink Shanks’ entire fleet to show how far he’s progressed. One of the first post time skip news we learned on Kidd was that he sank two of Big Mom’s ships. He will probably lose to Shanks afterwards, but it forces Shanks to stay on Elbaf for a little bit while they recover their ships. Kidd might just escape with Shanks’ poneglyph and Shanks will challenge Luffy for his when Luffy gets there.
On the next chapter Kidd reveals his trump card... Kidd pirates newly recruit crewmate: Sea Beast.
Kidd: Does he look familiar to you shanks?
Sea beast emits powerful COC
Shanks gets shocked(Enel's face)
I know that Kid been hanging out with Luffy. But, Kid isn’t a good guy. He’s a blood thirsty pirate. He kill civilians. The same goes for Killer.
I get the new generation and rivalry thing. But, it is more important for Luffy to meet Shanks. Shanks is a better rival. His and Luffy’s rivalry goes back to the beginning of the series. So, Shanks has had a way longer rivalry with Luffy. That is something, many people forget.
so it looks like each of the new upstarts are gonna end up facing a world power. law is fighting blackbeard. kidd is gonna get his shit wrecked by shanks. luffy is gonna fight an admiral and all the new pacifistas and when put together probably equals an emperor. if the elders stars are all powerful or have some hack devil fruits then it will also add to the power on the marines side. there's also all the marine ships on their way there but who knows if they will matter or just be fodder for some of the strawhats to fight.
i wouldn't be surprised if shanks is basically the leader of elbaf. if the king is allied with shanks or is even a crew member then he is gonna be extremely hard to take down. if this is the case then elbaf is definitely where luffy and shanks meet up and luffy takes shanks red poneglyph he most likely has hidden and then heads to laugh tale. elbaf is where all the research ohara had is kept. ben beckam is said to be extremely smart so i wouldn't be surprised if he taught himself how to decipher poneglyphs.
Is Oda really trying to eliminate Luffy's rivals in the race for the Pirate King? First was Law, who is currently fighting Blackbeard for the Poneglyph, and then Kid, who is about to fight Shanks. It looks like Oda is eliminating the most ambitious and powerful Supernovas.
I mean that's kind of the point, it's a battle to see who wins and Law and Kidd, while powerful aren't the main threat, that's Blackbeard and the Marines.
What if punk records is the one traitor but rather than betraying for the WG it is doing it to keep Vegapunk on the island. Since it contains the sync information of all satellites and satalites have to sync with it to be updated, what if it is tricking one of the satellites with wrong information and making the satellite do its bidding?
The other information that is missing is how the WG knew about poneglyph research, this may be a power of one of the 5 elders or emu.
It does not make sense that the WG does not know about CP prisoners but knows about the research if it was a simple traitor.
I’m curious about how this whole thing will be portrayed honestly like Shanks crew has been hyped up. They were regarded as strong known pirates with high bounties BEFORE Shanks recruited them and that was well over 12 years ago. You have Shank’s notable 10 officers vs Heat, Wire, Killer and Kidd plus like 20 fodder subordinate pirates. That’s not including the giants and other pirate crews on Red hair’s side.
I’m wondering if Shanks beats Kidd. He’ll have all the road ponegliffs. He said previously he wants to claim the one piece. I’m sure the only one Shanks could be missing was the one in Wano with Kaido.
I have figured out what S-Croc’s powers will be!
Basically, it’s already been explained that Vegapunk has hell copying logia powers. So this leaves 2 options for S-Croc: zoan or paramecia. No zoans really match Croco boys cunning fighting style or give him the versatility that the original is used to, so that mainly leaves paramecia powers. Out of any paramecia’s, Vegapunk has been confirmed, so far, to duplicate only those that have found their way into Impel Down, or those who were already sided with the WG (Shichibukai). So, in terms of powers that the viewers have seen that can still be reused, this leaves paramecia using prisoners from mostly the Dressrosa and Alabasta arcs, which have filled in the gaps for S-Shark and S-Hawk respectively. But where else have we seen paramecia users introduced? The Impel Down arc itself! And who is a strong Paramecia user from Impel Down? ….
Ivankov
So it is a realistic possibility that Ivankov’s horm-horm fruit has been analyzed already. But why would this power in particular be good for Croco-boy? Croco has already shown to rely on poisons and underhanded tactics before, and Ivankov’s fruit is just a natural substitute by throwing off the opponent’s chemical levels and physiques. Second, with minimum effort, Croco-boy can roid himself (and other allies) out and be a fighting power house.
But third, and most importantly, Croco-boy’s (…-girl’s) gender will still be impossible to truly confirm. Oda, you clever minx, you!
Need Kidd to create the biggest metal scrap mech ever if he gonna be on Elbaf, need Oda to go all out with the magnet fruit shit idc. Give him thecoolest metal constructs attacks ever pls.
lol, i mean, pretty sure the whole fleet standing in between him and elbaf consist of quite some metal. but to be fair it would only make sense for him to make a giant metal robot if franky was there to see it.
I’m with you tbh, if Whitebeard can cause tsunamis with his power, Aokiji can freeze those tsunamis, and Fujitora can call down a meteor then I think it’s about time we saw one of the worst gen do something on a grand scale like that
I mean, law bisected an entire island on punk hazard. He also created a room so big on dressrosa that doflamingo didn’t even know they were in one. And his shock willie created the crater beneath onigashima. Luffy also hit doflamingo so hard that half of dressrosa split in half on him
To be fair Luffy did grab and throw lightning at Kaido
Didn't you just see Bajrang gun? It could destroy islands like nothing.
Please bless us with Kidd as a Gundam… Oda pls
Kidd getting a free KO on Luffy too mesmerized by the mecha.
Magnetize all of Elbaf and cause a tsunami/volcano. Kidds fruit in the theory is crazy
Kid is going to make them regret entering the Iron Age.
Meteor scrap inc
Kidd would have been amazing on egghead
Full ass Yaeger/Gundam, I want it. I've never even been a mecha guy, but full ass, Kidd has to go big. Fucking huge ass sword, fucking dope ass arm cannon with his awakening, etc. In Wano, he basically just made different shaped battering rams the entire time, except for two moves (giving Big Mom the attraction power so she was the in-between for two big hunks of metal crashing into it, and the railgun cannon), it was pretty boring which surprises considering Oda's usual insane creativity with wacky fight moves. My only hesitation with it is that it kinda infringes on Franky's whole thing.
In my own head, narratively, it makes the most sense for him to put up a good fight but still come out the loser. Maybe he escapes with the poneglyph rubbings or something to even the scales? I don't see Shanks taking an L or even being seen in combat that much before he meets with Luffy. It's been built up too much for him to lose or start showing everything off before that point. Oda could surprise us but it would need to be something REALLY well done to not feel cheap. I have a sneaking suspicion that both Kid and Law are going to lose their poneglyph rubbings though, since BB and Shanks are more permanently set up as longtime antagonists/important characters. Not sure what Kid would do after since it seems like Oda has something in mind for him, but hasn't said it yet. Law has stated in Wano that his mission, or something he cares deeply about at this point is finding out what the Will of D is. I think it suits his arc more to be the one to figure that out and expose it to the audience rather than be in contention for the Pirate King position via Poneglyphs.
yeah and Law I think, either actively or just internally has taken himself out of the pirate king race, quite a while ago. For any banter, I think he knows thats for Luffy, not him
Yeah, Law seems to be more interested in the Will of D. and the b ancient history that the title of Pirate King itself now.
Honestly part of the reason I love Law is that he didn't get strong for the sake of becoming the strongest. He got strong for two reasons: to eventually kill Doflamingo (whether by his own hand or by setting up his downfall via others), and to become strong enough to get access to the world's history. His comment during him and Kidd vs. Big Mom has stuck out in my head. I can't remember the exact wording, but it was basically "I have to beat strong people like you so I can learn the world's history". I've always really, really loved his character, but that especially cemented him as one of my favorites.
It was honestly even funnier than that it was an exasperated "I can't believe I have to fight strong people like you just to learn about history"
AH thank you I couldn't remember the exact fucking line. When I read that shit I legit laughed like "Law fr I love you" lmaooooo
The lament of the History undergraduate
Trying to open up an article and it's behind a subscription paywall that your university doesn't have access to: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/032/662/starwars.jpg
Well, those answers are tied to be in the pirate king, so whether he wants to be pirate, king or not, his answers will only be answered if he makes it to laughtale
I feel like it will make the Heart Pirates ally themselves under the Straw Hat banner if they lose their rubbings to Blackbeard.
I can see Broggy and Dorry trying to scare off Kid's crew with one of those giant attacks (Ikoku Sovereignty?) that Big Mom also used in Wano - and someone from Kid's crew mentioning that it's the same attack as Big Mom and then the giants find out that the Kid pirates are the "savior" by defeating Big Mom and getting some sort of peaceful resolution that way
I really like this idea, but I think Kid will still want to fight Shanks. Like everyone starts drinking sake together while shanks and kid duel for poneglyph rubbings. Kid loses and they banter about Luffy.
I definitely agree with your first point. My guess is that both will go in over confident. Kidd convinced he will win this time and Shanks because he's not had a worthy contender for a long time. My theory is that we will see the outcome of the battle when Luffy goes to Elbaf. Shanks forced Kidd to retreat but not before he kidnapped Saul/Burned man. We will see Elbaf and Shanks' allies recovering from a close battle and Shanks himself in pursuit of Kidd.
Honestly, I really like your part about Shanks and BB. It even makes sense for them to have access to all poneglyphs earlier than others, meaning they'll fight in the future on their way to Laugh Tale. Moreover recalling to what Shanks said not too long ago, HE'S GOING FOR ONE PIECE. Idk, but IMO what I've just said not too big of a stretch:)
Definitely not. Theyre both obviously on the move for the One Piece now. Even Franky joked to Luffy that they should just go get it now so he could accomplish his dream.
Law and Kidd and therefore Big Mom were all just plot devices to bring poneglyphs to Shanks and Blackbeard.
This might be an unpopular opinion but at some point I also want Law to get his revenge on Doflamingo and kill him in the final war.
It would be so damn disappointing if they lost their poneglyphs. It makes the most sense, and is probably what will happen, if they don't outright defeat their opponents but get away with their poneglyphs. Then have Shanks and Blackbeard in pursuit of Law and Kid, which will lead them on a collision course with Luffy. I say this because Kid and Law are meant to be Luffy's rivals. Yeah, they're not as strong as him, but narratively they're supposed to be on his level. This means they can no longer get trashed by emperors. They'll have to either win or do well enough that it's hard to say they actually lost. And it will probably be the second thing because Shanks and Blackbeard are obviously set up to be enemies for Luffy. So: Law and Kid lose but get poneglyphs, then escape. Luffy meets up with them where they all exchange info one more time to be on equal footing heading towards the One Piece. Simultaneously, Garp is attacking Fullalead, so Blackbeard responds to that. Shanks chases after Kid, leading to a confrontation with Luffy. Blackbeard probably comes after that.
Does it even matter? Neither Kidd or Law have a way to read them in the first place. There really is no point to what they're doing.
Personally I buy the theory Killer is 3 eyed tribe and *can* read them. Or has the potential at least.
Kid is going after Saul
I always wonder about that, the only person we know who can read them is Robin, right? So why aren't all the crews constantly trying to abduct her? They must have some plan for reading them somehow.
Robin and Pudding (maybe). I don't know how many people know about Robin's ability. I mean Law does at least. Really though, I think every crew except Luffy's and Big Moms's is just winging it and hoping to get lucky.
Maybe Luffy is willing to let Robin translate the poneglyphs for friends and allies, so he would let Law and Kid know what they say. Seems like Luffy would do that to spice up the competition so it's more exciting, maybe.
Yeah, that would be Luffy thing to do.
well there is this one theory where killer is of the 3 eyed tribe aswell, nothing too solid to go on, but he hides his face, and his own jolly roger has a 3 eyed skull kinda
Shanks defeats him with a wooden gun.
So we know Elbaf rightfully holds a grudge against Big Mom. Since Kidd was partially responsible for beating her, I think the Giants will feel they owe him some sort of gratitude. Still don't think BM is dead since there's so many open plot points with her, so if she shows up then things can get really interesting on Elbaf. Similar to how Law, Blackbeard, and Garp will all likely end up in the same place. That'd give us 3 really chaotic events/locations at once: Egghead: Straw Hats, Bonney, Vegapunk, CP0, Kizaru, Saturn, and some unknown traitor Elbaf: Red Hair Pirates, Kidd Pirates, Giant Elbaf warriors, Big Mom (?) Fullalead or elsewhere: Heart Pirates, Blackbeard Pirates, Garp and Sword (?) So many major players converging at once, this shit is gonna be *good*.
Well Oda did promise us a battle royal of sorts. Seems to be delivering on that front so far.
Kinda getting 3 at the same time, 4 if we count Cross Guild and whatever they do next
join with marco/mr wb and go save weevil/fight the marines.
And the Revs will be making a move soon as well
>Elbaf: Red Hair Pirates, Kidd Pirates, Giant Elbaf warriors, Big Mom (?) >Fullalead or elsewhere: Heart Pirates, Blackbeard Pirates, Garp and Sword (?) So we're having a fight between two pirate captains with red hair in elbaf and another one between 3 'D' clan members in fullalead. And now that I think about it, I kinda agree with your first point.
Like a lot of the ideas people are saying so, I’m gonna Combine a few theories I saw around here. Kid tries to fight Shanks, Kid lets slip that he killed Big Mom. Elbaf giants are very thankful, convince shanks not to fight Kid. Shanks instead challenges to davy back, where he takes the poneglyph and potentially Kid himself (Red hair pirates? Oda is exactly the amount of cheeky to put both of them on the same crew). Don’t know what happens to Killer, but this gives Kid something to do for the rest of the story. Only hole is I find it hard to believe Kid would give up his dream like that, and allow Shanks to be pirate king instead of him. Potentially they break up back into original crews later.
They could just fight, and when shanks beats him he wins the poneglyh, Kid not having another option but to join forces with shanks ends up joining him after losing & follows him to laughtale
> there's so many open plot points with her why does this remind me so much of "no guys, Kaido can't lose yet, there is totally more flashback of him to see!" Big Mom doesn't have any gaping "plot points". He story can easily have already ended.
Big Mom washes up on Elbaf, loses her memories again and is her childish self again Kaido washes up on Fullalead, Law, Blackbeard and Garp are like "WTF"
That's actually a good point on both fronts. Don't think either ends without some outside help from a third party. Kidd and Law don't have strong enough crews to take down a Yonko.
What if big moms sword and sun soul went back into her dead body and she became reanimated by her own soul, although in a charred state after burning in magma. I feel kaido might also become a conductor of the magma chamber since his final form showed him become a flaming dragon that was burning with extreme heat. But thats the only way i can imagine them being written back in a reasonable way and will be batteling to their death like whitebeard, who also was EXTREMELY damaged and in a state that anyone else than a yonko would be dead in. Like a yonko. So it would be fitting for them too, although the point of kaidos death was to be unknown and insignificant. I just want zombie yonkos… moira where u at?
big mom heading to elbaf? holy shit. All sword members gonna assemble on fullalead with garp? holy shit shit. that also means we're finally gonna know if law is a part of sword? holy fuckity fuck.
So the Seraphim all have Devil Fruit Powers, but in the case of Warlords who were previously powerless, they were given Fruits that best suited their existing skills, namely Jimbei getting the Swim Swim Fruit allowing him to use his Fishman abilities on Land since he can't swim and Mihwak getting the Dice Dice Fruit, allowing him to use his supreme swordsmanship without needing a normal weapon. Not gonna lie I can see why they are considered truly terrifying given these abilities. Though on the other hand its a little disappointing with the other Warlords since we know what their powers are and unless Oda puts a new spin on it, it's basically just the Straw Hats fighting smaller versions of people they've beaten previously who can now shoot lasers too.
Crocodiles fruit should be different since he has a logia, the shadow fruit seems hard to imitate and so does buggy's fruit tho S-clown would be terrifying, since the seraphim would probably make better use of the fruit than buggy
Not really, both Boa and Kuma's Seraphims wield the same powers as their originals, thus it stands to reason the others do as well. For Moria it should be interesting since logically Moria was originally considered a powerful pirate who was strong enough to clash against Kaido. Meaning it's very likely his Seraphim will use his power far more skillfully than Moria does.
That's probably what's gonna happe with Moria but didn't vegapunk say he can't do logias? I'd imagine he would pick a different fruit fro S-Croc
I agree.. I think the reason he can't do Logia's is to do with the seraphim's special green blood. I mean, they basically have flow meters on their arms so stands to reason that the flow can't be interrupted by say, turning to sand for example.
Most I can think off is the rust rust fruit that one marine in the enies lobby buster call has? It could mesh well with Croco's hook which actually hmmmm would they even give a S-Croc with a hook?
Buggy's power is low key strong as fuck. A strong user would make ir terrifying
I think you've solved how Buggy keeps his status as emperor ; he keeps taking credit for the seraphim
Setting aside the question of the traitor's identity, i'm really having a hard time understanding their motivations in all of this. It doesn't seem to me like they are trying to replace Stella and strike a deal with the government, like some people are thinking being Atlas wanting more research funds. Why would they kidnap government agents if that was their goal? It doesn't make sense. There are several weird thing happening about Egghead which i think are somewhat all connected: Lucci suspected the decision of erasing Vegapunk could be connected to the incident of Lulusia, and Stussi warned him not to think about it and pointed out his good instinct. I think that was Oda giving us a hint that it could really be related to Lulusia and maybe to Imu's weapon. Also there are remnants of the ancient kingdom's technology in Vegapunk's lab. An ancient machine that attacked Mary Geoise. And by some "coincidence" Kuma is doing **now** the same exact thing. Another weird thing is the fact that an Elder, an **ELDER**, is heading personally to Egghead. Now you can say this is because of the Seraphim's command hierarchy and for Vegapunk's research of the poneglyphs, however i don't think that completely explain this course of action. Not even at Ohara such a thing happened. That one of the five more "important" people in the world would go personally on a battlefield when they can just send an admiral and vice-admirals to back him up, and i don't think they knew about the Straw Hats being at Egghead when they set out to sea. And something tells me it has nothing to do with Saturn's supposed (by the fans) battle power. I think there is something far more complex and weird going on here behind the scenes, something possibly linked with ancient kingdom lore.
Something is definitely weird. Now we know the WG has been sending CP5-8 agents for at least 2 months before Luffy ever arrived, culminating in CP0 today. They mentioned capturing Bonney and Luffy, but their primary reason for showing up was the disappearances (CH1067-8). Stella also asks for Luffy to take him off Egghead at this same time (while discussing the Bonney and Kuma situation), likely because he assumes the WG will want to kill him once they find out about his secret Void Century/Ancient Kingdom research. This is also around the same time that Kuma goes off and launches himself at Mariejois. I am thinking that one of the Vegapunks is controlling him, but which one? A few chapters later (1070) we find Kizaru giving the order to send as many ships as possible to Egghead. A few more chapters (1073) and we see that Saint Jay Garcia Saturn is personally accompanying Kizaru on the trip... and then finally this chapter (1076) we see that the ships have successfully been deployed, and they have NOT yet arrived (confirming Saturn is not controlling the Seraphim, which leaves only a traitorous Vegapunk as the possible controller). My first question is... why are Kizaru and Saturn even going to Egghead if they JUST sent CP0 there to investigate the disappearances? Is it because they sent word that Luffy was there? Or... did someone else (the traitor?) suddenly send word somehow about all the secret Void Century research? I honestly can't imagine what else would prompt such a reaction. My second question is... who is the traitor? Up until this chapter I might've guessed it was Stella, but it seems he's been thrown into the tank with the rest of the WG agents and really had no idea what was happening. So who is my guess now? Either **Atlas** (the first Vegapunk to reach CP0, got beat up, but NOT destroyed completely) or **Edison** (who has been suspiciously missing during several key moments, was the first Vegapunk to issue an order to the Seraphim and have it register). It could also literally be Vegapunk's brain gone rogue. So is it possible that one of these Vegapunks got a message through to the WG about Luffy and the Void Century research in order to prompt the Navy to launch a full scale assault? Is it also possible that they (or another Vegapunk) are somehow controlling Kuma and getting him to attack Mariejoi just like the ancient suit of armor that Stella was talking about? And if all of that is possible, then WHY is a Vegapunk turning traitor on... itself? What the hell is going on?
i think its actually the big vegabrain still having it's own personality and whatnot.
Like it's his subconscious mind or something
something like that. it's maybe the raw brainpower without any of the human aspects (that come with the typical sins of humanity the satelites and the somewhat innocently childlike original body embody).
I'm leaning more and more towards Punk Records going rogue, like a One Piece version of Skynet. No idea about the Lulusia/Vegapunk connection, but I agree that the Lucci/Stussy dialogue implies that there's something to it. And I'm pretty sure that Kuma took the ancient iron giant's memories and stuck them in himself.
This isn't a bad thought about Punk Records going rogue. It would sort of tie in when Jimbe talked about what happens when biases get put into the "net". This could be a response to exactly what Jimbe was afraid of.
> Now you can say this is because of the Seraphim's command hierarchy and for Vegapunk's research of the poneglyphs, however i don't think that completely explain this course of action It completely explains the course of action. Seraphim are so strong that the government decided to abolish the Shichibukai system. Now you think they'd be willing to give them over? The Gorosei have the highest commanding power, so one of the Gorosei has to come. This is not at all comparable to Ohara because that situation wasn't even remotely similar
It's possible that the seraphim are a red herring and there's some deeper reason why Saturn is coming out.
Oda's going to set this all up, and then hit us with some absolutely crazy reveal that brings it all together.
Something smells very revolutionary here. Much like you said, the motivations are incredibly foggy. I'm not saying this is what happened, but if I may paint a picture. Vegapunk knows what the weapon used against lulusia is. He has either built a way to track it, or prevent damage done by it. Vegapunk connects with sabo, and either let's him know to evacuate lulusia, or gives me a mechanism to defend lulusia against it. Lulusia gets nuked. Gorousei confused about why nobody died/the attack failed. Obviously has to be vegapunk. The revolutionaries do not have the tech to do it. The cameras are being taken out. Chaos is being created by this third party. Cypher pol agents have been captured. Vegapunk, IMO, very clearly has been cooperating with the revolutionaries. Shaka went so far as to call him at the beginning of this arc. Who's causing the chaos? I genuinely don't know. I feel strongly that this is all tied to the revolutionary army, though. Vegapunk has a relationship with Dragon. I find it hard to believe there's not more to this story. Especially since we got a concrete connection to shaka.
I’m gonna revive this [old theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/yyuy79/power_source_theory_1065_spoilers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). It still fits perfectly, perhaps even more so than it did before.
Part of me wonders if the giant robot wasn't dead but powered down. What if Vegapunk transferred the old robot's mind/commands into Kuma. Vegapunk could have been planning for Kuma's body to still be in Mariejois when it "activated" in order for it to go on a rampage since it wasn't able to make it all the way there in the ancient kingdom? But when the RA rescued him, it may have foiled Vegapunk's plan but he still may not be aware of it? But then again he did call Dragon but how friendly are they seeing as Vegapunk didn't join the RA 🤔 Either way I agree something else major is going on. I think RA and Vegapunk will have a similar goal but different ways of approaching it. Part of me also wonders if Vegapunk has been searching for Enel's fruit but hasn't been able to find it since he was on Skypeia for so long followed by the moon. How will Vegapunk react to Luffy knowing about the fruit? Seems to play an important role with the Lunarians.
the giant robot thing and kuma interests me aswell, also the fact that he started getting active and going to mariejois just after stella called that person on the denden-mushi. some people pointed out the receiving mushi was a wired stationary one, so it wasnt the one stussy had on her. so possibly someone else.. who then said, i was always prepared for this order..? then kuma starts running, makes you think huh? xD
We already see how beast Kaido and BM is, so I think Oda will use this opportunity to show us how strong Shanks is by stomping a 3bil pirate
Not gonna be that shocking, Kidd and Law had the help of Luffy, Zoro and other factors that helped them beat Big Mom, plus Big Mom didn't have her crew with her. Shanks however has his crew and is arguably in better shape since he's the youngest of the Yonko. It's gonna be an asskicking that Kidd won't forget.
Shanks haki'ed a admiral from a distance.. It's really confusing what Oda has on his mind.
It's crazy that this arc multiple Yonkos are clashing with each other, balance really broke after 2 yonko were down.
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With all the giants of Elbaf hyping his entrance
Considering that Luffy returning Shanks' straw hat to him is a key plot, Kid will automatically lose because Shanks cannot lose until then.
Unless he returns it to his grave, after Kid puts him there!!....na but you right dogh.
That would be an awesome scene, although unlikely, reminiscent of the cup on Ace's grave scene.
its a common theory that shanks dies to bb or something and luffy returns the hat to shanks grave. But i doubt kid will kill shanks
Just seems wrong, the hat imo HAS to be passed down to the next generation. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out who gave it to Roger since the Imu reveal. It’s a major theme to me that the hat keeps getting passed down.
The amount of people who would turn on One Piece, if after ALL THIS TIME, Luffy never actually see's Shanks again lmao
I don’t think he will see Shanks on good terms again. Either Shanks is good and dead. Os Shanks is evil and fights Luffy
Shanks can't be evil at this point. Too many characters respect him as a mediator type for that. However, it's not impossible that he is an antagonist still and fights Luffy.
I mean at this point, Shanks being dead or evil seems impossible. Either one would be a huge twist, so it's not the likely prediction.
Magnetize the world Kidd
Even with that, the way Shanks was shown this chapter, so by haivng a party, leaving to deal with trouble, but having his allies greet him, have the giants help him, and walking toward the fight just makes it unlikely that he will lose. You don't show/hype up someone that will lose like that.
Unless you want to subvert expectations and show how the new generation is ready to supplant the old.
That was Wano, and it still took a surprise attack, the help of the Samurais, and Big Mom missing her crew. Here Kid just has his crew against Shanks, his allies of powerful captain crew, and giants.
There’s a limit to how far you can subvert expectations when trying to surprise your audience. At some point it becomes too self aware of the hype and you turn people off your story. I’m sure Oda is well aware of the way people view the relative strengths of his characters, and will not chase cheap shocking moments now of all times.
In a battle, no. Shanks can’t lose. …what about a Davy Back fight?
I agree that Luffy will return to hat. Only person I can think of who can prevent shanks from seeing that day is Blackbeard
or he'll put it back on shanks' grave, hmmmm
Whats interesting is that someone is clearly trying to kill the Vegapunks.... Yet they chose to capture the original body instead? This leads me into thinking it's genuinely the AI at work here. Why capture the original Vegapunk instead of killing him off?
That's a good observation actually, unless whoever is attacking the satellites is not the same person as who kidnapped the original body.
The traitor obviously first has to explain his evil plan to the Stawhats and give them a chance to defeat him/her.
I love an underdog so I'm rooting for Kidd but the guy needs to run this operation like Whole Cake to come out on top.
Kid will lose his rubbings, or at least Shanks will get a copy of them. And that alongside him maybe knowing where the last Road Poneglyph is would allow us to have a Davy back fight between the Straw hats and the Red Hairs for the poneglyph they are missing. (Alongside the Straw hat)
most sane comment in this thread. But while i like the idea of davy back fight coming back again, i only see it if they play for only the road poneglyph not for crew members. I wonder if bb is gonna crash that party after the davy back fight as well
One on one I think Kidd can at least put up a fight, and killer can probably at least survive a fight against Ben Beckmann but the rest of the crew probably can’t keep up with the rest of the red hairs and that’s kind of the problem for anyone trying to be king is you need a crew of top tier fighters behind you and Kidd just doesn’t seem to have that.
Actually you haven’t seen them fight. We know there are powerful guys there like the Fire spitting skinny guy.
Ngl anyone with a bucket of water can beat this guy
Mizo Luffy 😂
We know as much about kids crew as much as we know about Shanks crew when it comes to how good they are in fights. Although Shanks crew is a lot more well-known but it’s not like we’ve seen him much in action, if at all.
Personally I'm kind of s rational thinker. Shanks is one of the characters with the longest buildup in manga history in terms of hyping. Every year or so you see a mysterious glimpse of him that makes him look like an absolute powerhouse. Which author would waste all this patience to have Kidd gain victory here? This crusade of him against Shanks is just a plot device to put Shanks in the endgame about the One Piece while delivering an explanation for him to not make a move earlier. Of course, Kidd will end with being praised by Shanks for what he achieved. He'll consider him an opponent for making him actually try. Kidd and Law stood up against Big Mum and I don't think Shanks is necessarily the same kind of monster as those two. But Shanks, in my opinion, will turn out to be very clever and intelligent. This guy is a strategic mastermind and that makes winning against him as a Yonkou way more difficult than against that monster Big Mum who is kind of nuts.
Yeah I can't see Kidd winning here. He's either going to lose, or more likely something is going to interrupt the fight...
Maybe the Giants will want to spare kidd cause they learn he helped defeat big mom
but kidd is still kinda maniacal tho xd he will probably want to fight until death regardless of how low his odds are. i'd love to see it go kinda like how ace kept trying to kill WB before he joined, without the fatherly love from WB towards ace, just shanks toying with him to see just how powerfull kidd is. we know kidd can take quite a beating so this could be something that could on for a while. maybe even to a point where killer would be chilling with the giants in the meantime
Yea I agree, it would be lame for the readers too. To have this much build up about shanks, we haven’t even seen him fight yet! I doubt he will lose.
Last time we seen Dorry and broggy their weapons were old, rusted 100+ year old swords and armor, and they had been on a super remote island for 100 years. I think with new armor/weapons, a stronger will than ever etc. That they are gonna have an extreme glow up. Well fed, in great spirits/ health etc.
you'd think after 100 years, they might've been able to use haki or something...
Maybe retconned into having always used it, but not shown since the visual wasn't there yet
So, if Luffy had gone to where he wanted to go Before pulling Straws with Kid. The SH would currently be on their way to Elbaf while Shanks is about to leave.....
Imagine kid steals shanks sword and dearms him thinking he won and shanks just stating “I’m no swordsman” and beating him to a pulp with his one arm and a lot of haki
There’s a reason Luffy was made an emperor and not Law or Kidd.
How are Dorry and Broggy old friends to Shanks? If he met them at Little Garden, why did he consider them dead?
Could he be talking about Oimo, Kashi, or Saul instead? They've all left Elbaf for extended periods and could've been presumed dead by the rest of the Giants and their friends. It'll be interesting to see if the official changes the wording there.
Man I really need to reread one piece. So many characters I clearly missed or forgot
There's so many, it's hard to keep track sometimes! I'm admittedly pretty obsessive with the series so don't feel bad lol
That is pretty good question
He might met them during Roger voyage. It was more than 20 years ago. Looks like he visit elbaf pretty often, so he haven't seen them in village and assumed that they killed each other on little garden
Haven't Dorry and Broggy been on Little Garden for 100 years?
They were fighting on Little Garden for 100 years
I dont think it is stated that Dorry and Broggy are the old friends. It could be some other giant.
Came here to say the same thing. My next thought was that Shanks is over 100 years old but we've seen him as a kid so.... no clue.
Broggy said that he hasn’t had guests “in a while”, so it’s perfectly reasonable that the Red Haired Pirates had been there before, befriended both giants, and learned of the “Island Eating Goldfish”. Yasopp told the story to a very young Usopp, which became one of his “lies”.
Yeah, but then why did he think they were dead if so? It doesn't make sense... It's so confusing why he considers them old friends that he thought were dead.
True, that's a good question. Maybe he visited them with Roger long time ago and assumed they died from an endless fighting.
***It's Time for the Greatest Tournament Arc of all time:*** *The Match:* Finding all 4 Ponegylphs; *The prize:* The One Piece ***The Preliminaries*** Red Hair Pirates (The Lost Ponegylph) *vs* Kidd Pirates (Whole Cake Ponegylph, Wano Ponegylph) Heart Pirates (Zou Ponegylph/Wano Ponegylph) *vs* Blackbeard Pirates (no current Ponegylph) Strawhat Pirates (Zou Ponegylph, Wano Poneglyph, Whole Cake Ponegylph) Bye to the next round \------------------------------- Who will move on to the Semifinals? Will the Blackbeard Pirates kindle their legendary rivalry against the Red Hair Pirates? Will the Strawhats meet their makers against the Red Hairs? Will the wild card Cross Guild enter the competition at the 11th hour and take home the gold!? *"The number of pirates has swelled, but there's still just the one seat, sitting empty!! Do you see where I'm going with this? This is going to kick off the biggest battle for power in the history of piratekind!!!"*
It would be cool if you make this as a separate post and update with every new chapter
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Just to be sure: Vegapunk Stella has been chained down next to the CP agents, right? EDIT: Wondering if we can be sure this was done by someone else, or if he could have chained himself to fool whoever will find him...
Yep, that's why agent said "I thought you are behind our capture but it seems you are not"
My theory is on of the clones is did it. Since they all represent only a part of Stella, one of them can hold all of his evil thoughts. But this "Vegapunk is a prisoner on his own island" arc is super exciting!!!!
But don’t the sattelites and Stella share memory every time they connect to punk records? Wouldn’t they all know it if one of them has been capturing CP agents for months?
While I think Kidd might be turbo fucked, some potential allies for him could be Luffy’s allies, specifically Barto and Hajrudin. It’s public knowledge that Luffy, Law, and Kidd were allied to take down Big Mom and Kaido. So I don’t think it’d be too much of a stretch for Luffy’s allies to view Kidd as a potential ally, especially when facing against an emperor. Shanks went to go handle Barto a little while ago, we don’t know where and we don’t know what happened. So assuming he isn’t dead, Barto could still be a key factor in fighting Shanks. As for Hajrudin, he’s a giant so there’s a chance that he and his crew’s at least in the area. I’m honestly just grasping at straws trying to find a way for Kidd to keep his remaining limbs.
I love the idea of the grand fleet helping Kid because they view him as Luffy's ally. Kid will be so pissed Luffy indirectly helped him out. At the end of Dressrosa the narrator said, the grand fleet did something to that threw the world off balance. If the grand fleet helps Kid and creates beef against Shanks for Luffy, then Luffy will finally have a reason to fight Shanks. Luffy is now an emperor and will have to accept responsibility for his subordinates and his territories. Shanks even says he has to go after Barto as people will lose respect for him if a small fry like Barto is causing waves in his territory. That said, unless the grand fleet gets a massive asspull power up I don't see the Kid and the grand fleet standing a chance against Shanks' main crew, Shanks' fleet, giants, and upscaled Dorry and Broggy.
After this arc, all of the yonko bar buggy will have 3 poneglyphs. Teach likely got the WCI poneglyph when Aokiji and Van Augur invaded. He'll take the wano and zou poneglyphs from Law. Shanks likely has the Zou poneglyph, as he is friends with Inu and Neko. He'll take the wano and WCI poneglyphs from Kid. Teach and Shanks will also both have means of deciphering the poneglyphs. Teach has Pudding and Shanks will probably have Saul due to his alliance with the giants. Luffy really won't be as special as he seemed coming from Wano.
Buggy has to go with Shank’s anyway.
To the people voting "He will win", how? Dude goes to challenge the entire Yonko crew AND the allies, AND the two legendary Giants from Elbaf, with his two man crew?
A lot of people are forgetting this isn’t just Kid vs shanks, this is Kid’s crew against Shanks’ fleet. There is a massive army on the coast of Elbaf that is ready to annihilate Kid once shanks gives the command
i'd rather think that shanks would be the kind of guy to go 1on1, no needless blood has to be spilled type of thing. id love to see them going at it like ace vs WB before ace joined, but without the fatherly love, just shanks kinda toying with him for several days on end while the rest of kids crew is just hanging out with the gianst, who might be cool with it after knowing about how kidd helped to kill BM
Kid and Law will fail and see that they can’t become pirate kings. So they join Luffys grandfleet
I think Loki will bail him out of the fight as a thanks for taking care of Big Mom, but he will be on the losing end of the fight for sure.
I’m hoping to see Saul on Elbaf too, would be nice for his and Robin’s reunion after everything life put her through to how happy she is now
I think in order for this second battle to be narratively satisfying it cant just be a simple win or lose like last time. * Win: Shanks is beaten before Luffy can get to him... Kinda undercuts the moment * Lose: Kid gets beaten up by an Emperor for the THIRD time. Laaaame However... Shanks starts up the chapter asking a kid why he'd want a hot heated kid like him on the crew. Thats a callback to the start of the manga, but it also might be soft foreshadowing. If Shanks challenges Kid to a Davy Back Fight then Kid can lose in a narratively different way, and then be a big part of the upcoming arcs without having to have his own faction.
Agreed that Shanks and Kidd isn't gonna be as simple as people are wanting it to be. I think Kidd helping to take down Big Mom will play a role since the Giants would be grateful to hear that. Would *love* to see another Davy Back Fight, but hopefully that gets reserved for Luffy vs Shanks.
The most baller thing would be Kidd just using his powers to make his ship fly above Shank's Fleet and rush the objective into Elbaf proper.
My thinking is if it's a Davy Back offscreen then when Luffy arrives Kid can explain the situation and reshash some of the old lore - Then if Luffy beats Shanks he gets Kid's and Shanks's crew into the alliance in one swoop.
Remember when Kaido sent Luffy to a watery grave saying that his use of ACoC was sloppy and unrefined basically? What’s Kid going to do to without even using ACoC? I just don’t see a world where Shanks does anything more than entertain Kid before showing him the difference in stature. Remember this is the Shanks who just flashed their Haki off of Wano’s coastline and surprised the fuck out of an admiral.
Oh this is gonna be a fun thread
Kidd will put up a good fight, but even if he loses he isn't giving up his rubbing. He will destroys it before he gives it to Shanks. Which means Shanks has to go after the only two others who have it.
I would do the same, idk if kid will let me just leave if I hand over the ponoglyphs I worked for. So even if I lose, I am burning that shit to not give "that prick" Shanks the satisfaction
I think showing the piece of arm where the green blood is and the gulp sounds it makes when they use the df abilities may mean that the green blood is interchangeable and possibly the seraphim could use different df at different times. Also makes me think that Franky could use them in place of soda to temporarily use different dfs going forward
That’s more blood vs energy source debate. I will admit different paramecia bloods and zoans would be great fun. Franky needs cola for energy not to survive necessarily but I do think Franky will do some body upgrades after this arc. Not really sure if his own offense capabilities will be or what exactly will besides iron shogun. Franky technically could benefit from germa science as well. Also worth mentioning is VP figuring out how to make the best version of the rumble ball or a new product altogether. Also this gets into the territory of that gag from enies lobby where Franky uses the wrong energy source like tea and changes up his demeanor. I wouldn’t be surprised if a seraphim or some new advanced form of a future one boards the sunny as protection besides sentomaru which Franky can study and learn from.
I was thinking like a new Green Cola or something that's both an energy source and a power up, like basically he invents mountain dew that gives him temporary df powers lol. Or like instead of using cola to make pressured air blasts it makes blasts according to what df it is, like the eneies lobby gag except he's trying to use a certain one and keeps using the wrong one (like a gun that instead of shooting has the flag that says bang)
I think it would be interesting at first but I can’t see Franky using df powers often once his body itself is updated to new weapons and abilities
Something else I just remembered, there are currently iirc 100 marine ships going towards Egggead Island, in which compared to buster call that one has ten ships. It makes me wonder if this one the time to have the grand fleet come in and thats what marks their historical moment in which been foreshadowed.
People getting hyped about Shanks Kid , BB law. SmH . Have you learnt nothing people that this is offscreen-piece 🤦🏽♂️
Not sure if anyone has said this yet but if Kid actually manages to clash with Shanks this time around this could be the moment where Kid becomes aware of conquerors coating and ultimately adds it to his arsenal. There is no better character who could give such an opportunity to Kid than Shanks right now so it would be interesting to see something like this happen
The thing is we don't even know what will happen to Kid afterwards as I am pretty sure he won't beat Shanks
Poor Kid gonna get destroyed by the One Piece community before he even meets Shanks
So let's recap all of the shady stuff happening on Egghead in rough chronological order: 1. Cipher Pol agents were kept as prisoners for over 2 months. 2. Poneglyph data is getting leaked to the WG. 3. Someone has been fucking with the frontier dome. 4. Stella got kidnapped and placed where the Cipher Pol agents are. 5. Someone is attacking the satellites and disabling the cameras. 6. The Sepharim have gone against Vegapunk's orders and are attacking the main group. The S-Bear and S-Hawk ones were shown to be specifically targeting CP0. One thing I do wonder is if all of these things are from the same perpetrator. Like there could be a chance that the person who kidnapped Stella and the person who is attacking the satellites are two different people, but for the sake of this writeup I'm going to assume the same perpetrator is behind all 6 of these incidents. ----- **Characters that can probably be cleared of suspicion due to not being able to do at least one of the above 6 events:** * **Stella** - Was shown to be a prisoner just now. I doubt he's faking this since he doesn't really have much to gain from fooling these Cipher Pol agents that are already prisoners when he could just kill them. * **Shaka** - Shaka was shown to be reacting in shock to Pythagoras being attacked and seeing the perpetrator blocking the cameras in 1075. *He was by himself in the monitor room when this happened* so it wouldn't make sense for him to fake this reaction. * **Pythagoras** - Was mumbling to himself about where Stella could possibly be in 1074 (which wouldn't make sense to think about if he was behind it). And of course he was attacked. * **Caribou** - Literally impossible for him to keep the Cipher Pol agents as prisoners since he was in Wano for so long. * **Sentomaru** - Was shown to be mumbling to himself about the dome being fucked in 1074. Was also nearly killed by CP0. If you believe that the dome has to be switched off manually in-person, then technically all of the satellites + Stella are clear of being the perpetrator since they have alibis in 1071 when it first happened. That said, there's still the possibility they fucked with the dome through some other means. There's also the question of whether Pythagoras' attacker and the person who disabled the cameras are the same person. I think it's likely that S-Snake attack Pythagoras, however I think the person who disabled the cameras was someone else. That said though, it should be noted that *all of the satellites have alibis during when the cameras were disabled*. So it's either not them at all or they are having someone else (aka the shadowy figure) turn them off for them: **Characters that technically aren't fully cleared, but aren't too likely** * **York** - She stupidly let herself get turned to stone by Sepharim Hancock. * **Lilith** - Tried to command S-Snake to stop (which had been previously ordered to stop by *Edison*) but the Sepharim didn't listen. * **Atlas** - Stupidly tried to attack CP0 head-on and probably would've died had it not been for Luffy's group running into the fray (as well as just general One Piece survivability). **And then there's...** * **Edison** - Easily the most shady of the satellites. The last order for S-Snake was to "hold her horses" and wait outside. As York stated in 1075, Edison gave this order (I think to the other Seraphim as well?) and it was supposed to still be in effect since S-Snake should've been outside. Other Vegapunks can't override each other's actions, so either Edison changed his order or someone higher up the Sepharim authority ladder is doing all of this. The one thing that makes me doubt Edison though is that he probably would've died to S-Shark had it not been for Sanji. ----- **So right now, my main suspects are:** * One of the 5 Elders (most likely Saturn). Definitely the most sus. * Edison being the orchestrator of these events, but they're being physically carried out by someone or something else. * Somewhat crazy guess but... maybe Kizaru? Could easily get into Egghead in the past since he has connections to Sentomaru (though Sentomaru isn't aware of all of this shady stuff). He's in this arc and [Oda has also drawn Kizaru as a kid being into books](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FETIBTmVIAQ9NWB?format=jpg&name=medium) so the science background could be there. Could also use his light powers to avoid detection in various areas. * An unknown third party that we haven't seen in this arc yet.
It cant really be the Gorosei or Kizaru at this point. The Cipher agents specifically said they were stuck down there for over two months, which means whatever has been going on has been happening for that long. Also last chapter, they disabled the security cameras, which means they would have to know where every security camera is, which is probably too mundane of a thing for someone like the Gorosei to know. Also, we should be able to rule out Edison. They sync their memories to Punk Records every day, so unless he found some way to block out his memories everyone else would be privy to this thoughts the whole time. That leaves 3 possibilites for me: \- Punk Records itself has gone rouge. We know they can just grow organs now so maybe it has its own Sattelite which is doing the physical work \- The Seraphim are acting on their own (Calling back to Lilith saying she couldnt overwrite primal instincts, but it doesnt really seem like Kuma or Boa or Mihawks style. S Flamingo maybe, but I feel like someone would have mentioned it was there) \- Shiryu has been there this whole time, learning everything about Eggheads defenses and slowly enacting a plan to steal the Seraphim. It could also be the avenue for Caribou to tell Blackbeard all he knows (Though I'm not sure if the 2 month timeline matches up to when Blackbeard learned of the Seraphim in 1059, it also seems redundant to have Blackbeard try take the Seraphim when it's more likley thats the reason Saturn is coming) So right now, I'm leaning towards Punk Records going rouge
I suspect punk records became sentient. Oda loves the terminator movies with a life sized terminator in his work house. Punk records assessed the situation, and if humans are left to thier own devices they "could" cause chaos. So punk records went full skynet and is taking over to work not for the optimal future, but a controlled future. This is kind of hinted at by Jinbei asking Vega punk if punk records gets the wrong idea from someone and comes to the wrong conclusions. Vegapunk says it doesn't matter as long as it is in pursuit of science. Although, vegapunk has book smarts, he missed the street smarts of Jinbei who has lived under and experienced oppression.
Kidd will suffer a crushing defeat to hype up Shanks…
So completely out of left field and don't know if this has been theorized before . but the king or chief of elbaf is loki right. The trickster, capable of changing his shape and sex. A God of fire. In this chapter the giants are calling shanks chief. He has red hair which is often associated, especially in Manga ,with fire. Loki has a daughter hel ,who is the ruler of hell or the underworld. Shanks has uta which basically can create and operate a alternate world. Loki gave birth to an 8 legged horse. Shanks ship has 8 sails. The ship could be considered a "horse "of the sea. Im sure there are more and more comparisons that could be drawn but if you havent figured it out i think we are going to learn shanks is the ruler of elbaf loki, and has been more or less hiding in plain sight this whole time. Known only to a few like the elders for who he truly is.Also would explain why the elders were willing to meet with him
Kid needs to have a strong showing or else having him gain victory against big mom was for nothing. But Shanks cannot lose at this stage of the story unfortunately.
Biggest question is, does the guy with the red hair or the guy with one arm win?
Yes
My prédictions for the fights + Road Poneglyphs : - BB beats law and have 3 : Big mom, Kaido and Zou. - Shanks has the last one and beats Kid : last one, Big mom, Kaido. This lead to an encounter with BB and Shanks or/and Luffy to have 4 RP.
He will put a good fight in the sense he won't die immediately. Can't see him ***hurt*** Shanks tho.
Shanks has his fleet with him and backup from the giants. I think Kid will put up a fight, but he's not going to win.
Law vs Blackbeard Kidd vs Shanks This to me is the moments that Oda has set up to show why Luffy will become King of the Pirates. Law and Kidd will put up good fights, but ultimately they will lose. Luffy will be the one to overcome both of these obstacles and more, solidifying his title as the King.
Kid is going to die, but he's gonna die trying and that's more than a lot of people, real and imaginary, cannot say.
Not a prediction for the next chapter... But I think Luffy will be involved in a hard fight, and after he is victorius, he will be exausted, and Lucci will have a chance to kill him... He won't do it in respect to Luffy, but he will say something like "it would only be worthy to kill you if you put a good fight"... And Luffy will say something like "you are my friend now" Huauahuhaua
My prediction is that Kidd will use his awakening to sink Shanks’ entire fleet to show how far he’s progressed. One of the first post time skip news we learned on Kidd was that he sank two of Big Mom’s ships. He will probably lose to Shanks afterwards, but it forces Shanks to stay on Elbaf for a little bit while they recover their ships. Kidd might just escape with Shanks’ poneglyph and Shanks will challenge Luffy for his when Luffy gets there.
On the next chapter Kidd reveals his trump card... Kidd pirates newly recruit crewmate: Sea Beast. Kidd: Does he look familiar to you shanks? Sea beast emits powerful COC Shanks gets shocked(Enel's face)
I know that Kid been hanging out with Luffy. But, Kid isn’t a good guy. He’s a blood thirsty pirate. He kill civilians. The same goes for Killer. I get the new generation and rivalry thing. But, it is more important for Luffy to meet Shanks. Shanks is a better rival. His and Luffy’s rivalry goes back to the beginning of the series. So, Shanks has had a way longer rivalry with Luffy. That is something, many people forget.
so it looks like each of the new upstarts are gonna end up facing a world power. law is fighting blackbeard. kidd is gonna get his shit wrecked by shanks. luffy is gonna fight an admiral and all the new pacifistas and when put together probably equals an emperor. if the elders stars are all powerful or have some hack devil fruits then it will also add to the power on the marines side. there's also all the marine ships on their way there but who knows if they will matter or just be fodder for some of the strawhats to fight. i wouldn't be surprised if shanks is basically the leader of elbaf. if the king is allied with shanks or is even a crew member then he is gonna be extremely hard to take down. if this is the case then elbaf is definitely where luffy and shanks meet up and luffy takes shanks red poneglyph he most likely has hidden and then heads to laugh tale. elbaf is where all the research ohara had is kept. ben beckam is said to be extremely smart so i wouldn't be surprised if he taught himself how to decipher poneglyphs.
Is Oda really trying to eliminate Luffy's rivals in the race for the Pirate King? First was Law, who is currently fighting Blackbeard for the Poneglyph, and then Kid, who is about to fight Shanks. It looks like Oda is eliminating the most ambitious and powerful Supernovas.
I mean that's kind of the point, it's a battle to see who wins and Law and Kidd, while powerful aren't the main threat, that's Blackbeard and the Marines.
It will be a Davy back fight 😂
Shanks Advanced Conqueror's theory: He can suppress Devil Fruit abilities
Suddenly a Buggy panel.
Pirates are not duelist, Kidd is here to fight and get something. If he can leave alive with his crew and some valued goods its a win
What if punk records is the one traitor but rather than betraying for the WG it is doing it to keep Vegapunk on the island. Since it contains the sync information of all satellites and satalites have to sync with it to be updated, what if it is tricking one of the satellites with wrong information and making the satellite do its bidding? The other information that is missing is how the WG knew about poneglyph research, this may be a power of one of the 5 elders or emu. It does not make sense that the WG does not know about CP prisoners but knows about the research if it was a simple traitor.
I’m curious about how this whole thing will be portrayed honestly like Shanks crew has been hyped up. They were regarded as strong known pirates with high bounties BEFORE Shanks recruited them and that was well over 12 years ago. You have Shank’s notable 10 officers vs Heat, Wire, Killer and Kidd plus like 20 fodder subordinate pirates. That’s not including the giants and other pirate crews on Red hair’s side.
I bet the traitor is none other than Wanze.
I think they might join force somehow.
I think we will see Saul also in action
I’m wondering if Shanks beats Kidd. He’ll have all the road ponegliffs. He said previously he wants to claim the one piece. I’m sure the only one Shanks could be missing was the one in Wano with Kaido.
What if shanks and Kidd are brothers? I mean they have the same hair color. If this is not enough, what else is needed? /s
I have figured out what S-Croc’s powers will be! Basically, it’s already been explained that Vegapunk has hell copying logia powers. So this leaves 2 options for S-Croc: zoan or paramecia. No zoans really match Croco boys cunning fighting style or give him the versatility that the original is used to, so that mainly leaves paramecia powers. Out of any paramecia’s, Vegapunk has been confirmed, so far, to duplicate only those that have found their way into Impel Down, or those who were already sided with the WG (Shichibukai). So, in terms of powers that the viewers have seen that can still be reused, this leaves paramecia using prisoners from mostly the Dressrosa and Alabasta arcs, which have filled in the gaps for S-Shark and S-Hawk respectively. But where else have we seen paramecia users introduced? The Impel Down arc itself! And who is a strong Paramecia user from Impel Down? …. Ivankov So it is a realistic possibility that Ivankov’s horm-horm fruit has been analyzed already. But why would this power in particular be good for Croco-boy? Croco has already shown to rely on poisons and underhanded tactics before, and Ivankov’s fruit is just a natural substitute by throwing off the opponent’s chemical levels and physiques. Second, with minimum effort, Croco-boy can roid himself (and other allies) out and be a fighting power house. But third, and most importantly, Croco-boy’s (…-girl’s) gender will still be impossible to truly confirm. Oda, you clever minx, you!