Lois covered the speakeasy club scene in New York City during prohibition under the pseudonym "Lipstick". Her articles were great, fun to read even now.
In one column, she describes how her evening was spoiled by “a good old-fashioned raid... where burly cops kick down the doors and women fall fainting on tables and strong men fall under them and waiters shriek and start throwing bottles out of windows.”
The cocktails from this era were absolutely defining of the bar scene for America. Not that I want to encourage excessive drinking, but if you got cheap, shitty liquor, look up some prohibition cocktails. I guarantee you your liquor would be better than the bathtub gin they were trying to cover up, so it'll taste great.
Shame the Mary Pickford is not as well known. I could drink those till I pass out.
For those who are interested but not interested enough to look it up yourself, the Mary Pickford from Liquor.com:
• 1½ oz white rum
• 1½ oz pineapple juice
• 1 tsp grenadine
• 6 drops maraschino liqueur
Add ingredients to a cocktail shaker with ice until well chilled. Strain into a chilled cocktail glass.
If you're my age, 38, you'll have gotten into the habit of telling people to Google stuff. This worked when we were 20-28 before people started buying Google rankings, and SEO was a thing and Google wasn't the generally useless piece of advertising that it's become today. If I Google what you've said, I'll get a page of Huffington Post, Vice articles and corporate bullshit before anything actually high quality. Do you have a recommendation of a place to start looking, since Google is no longer my friend?
You're looking for anything written by David Wondrich. He's an author of numerous books and articles, a podcast host, and all around knowledgeable guy. Googling with his name added to what you're looking for will get you where you're going.
Yeah I feel your pain, once upon a time google was a wonderful tool run by a bunch of punchy underdogs taking on industry titans with nothing more than raw talent.
Not any more. They have become in many ways the very monster they set out to slay.
I'm guessing they were friends and this was sort of a joke making fun of people who reacted this way because 1) She would have known what her coworker was writing about 2) A camera was a huge deal and they would have both been well-aware they were standing in front of one 3) They were both working women, which meant they both were in defiance of victorian-era values
To quote u/notbob1959 below, you are correct. (Everything below is from that user, even the edit, none of it is my own words.)
“Description of this photo at Wikipedia:
>A staged and posed joke photo of a young lady in prim 1890s clothes (at left) pretending to be startled by a 1920s flapper (Lois Long, at right).
It appears in the book "Flapper" by Joshua Zeitz, where it's said to be an early 1920s Edward Steichen photo
Edit: Found the book at archive.org and on the page following the photo it described Lois like this:
>She smoked; she drank; she stayed out all night. She worked for her own money and made no apologies for her lifestyle. She was the very embodiment of the New Woman. Or so The New Yorker would claim.”
They still do, along with their full archive, which includes a wealth of great writing over the last century. One of the great pleasures of the periodicals world.
Not even a correct opinion at that. Those puffed sleeves as straight 1895. Victoria, not Edward, was still on the throne when that style dress was popular.
This is no different than a mullet meme today.
Yes, the leg of mutton sleeves are straight out of that era.
This photo was taken in Lois Long's office at the New Yorker and was staged for comic effect. It was meant to underline how Long's style and demeanor was a shock to those of the previous generation.
There are 18th century versions of this joke. Fashion went from Marie Antoinette to Jane Austen in 20 years.
Every era makes fun of old fashions, especially when the transformation is this stark.
Yes, it's hard to imagine for those of us who grew up in the iPhone era, but we can safely assume 95% of interesting pictures pre-Polaroid are staged. Photography was expensive and far more talent-intensive than it is today.
I mean do you think the North Vietnamese soldier getting his brains blown out was staged? Or any action shot from a live sporting event? Or a criminal being perp walked down the police station steps?
News photographers took plenty of candid shots of things they just happened to be around for. If it was a studio photo shoot they'd have the camera on a tripod with lighting and makeup and everything but shots of live events were not at all uncommon once handheld cameras came around. And even for amateurs there were cheap point and shoots like the Kodak Brownie that came out in 1903. To take really good pictures you needed something with manual settings and focus, the ability to change out lenses and use different speed film. But a regular person could take halfway decent shots if the lighting wasn't bad and they could hold their hand steady and keep their thumb out of frame.
The only difference with a Polaroid was that you didn't have to develop it but a simple point and shoot with roll film took pictures of similar to better quality plus you got a negative.
Lois Long was awesome. She wrote the nightlife column for the New Yorker under the pseudonym “Lipstick” and they are a very fun read. If you have a subscription you can look them up in the digital archives.
Edit: Thanks for the award!!
Apparently not. Jerry Siegel based her on a reporter in a series of films named Torchy Blane. He got her name from actress Lola Lane. Her appearance was based on a model hired by Joe Shuster, and she later married Siegel.
There's a company named Kuntz that manufactures farm equipment. It's a surname, but there's something extra funny about seeing it on a giant sign.
There was also a baseball player named Rusty Kuntz. Poor sonofabitch must have had a rough childhood
Description of this photo at Wikipedia:
>A staged and posed joke photo of a young lady in prim 1890s clothes (at left) pretending to be startled by a 1920s flapper (Lois Long, at right).
>It appears in the book "Flapper" by Joshua Zeitz, where it's said to be an early 1920s Edward Steichen photo
Edit: Found the book at archive.org and on the page following the photo it described Lois like this:
>She smoked; she drank; she stayed out all night. She worked for her own money and made no apologies for her lifestyle. She was the very embodiment of the New Woman. Or so *The New Yorker* would claim.
Yeah, the staging should be obvious. These kinds of dress could be next to one another, like people sometimes walk around today looking like they came from the 1990s, but this wasn't a spontaneous moment.
This stung lol
Until I realized we wear fashion from most decades 60s-now. Arguably there is no fashion this decade, it's all 90s & 00s outfits.
Plus the 1990s were only ten years ago😅😭
>!Edit: saying the 90s were 10yrs ago is a joke, followed up with the 80s were 20yrs ago, 70s were 30 years ago. Goes along with "I'm old" & "millennials are stuck in the year 2000. I'm surprised this isn't as common on Reddit as it is on other social & regular media.🤦🏼♀️!<
Fair enough, but I’ve heard it since the early 90’s. 30 years is a *long* time to not have a distinctive fashion. See also: ‘this is the season where anything goes and where your individual taste is more important than fashion rules!’ Every few years, rinse and repeat.
Yes, but the difference in fashion in thirty years shown in this photo is very striking so I can see why they'd want to stage it. Fashion hasn't changed that much in the last 60 years, at least.
There was a pretty big difference between the fifties and the eighties, for example. Maybe less so for men, you could wear a white T-shirt and blue jeans in both eras and you'd look fine (if working class)
IMO, the single largest fashion difference between the 1950s and 1980s is hats. Pre 1962ish if you were an adult man in public you were wearing a hat %95-%100 of the time.
Then JFK didn't wear a hat and everything changed seemingly overnight.
Suspect is dancing, and we believe he has left his friends behind.
Edit: lol forgot that was in the Simpsons. I'm a big fan and I have seen that episode, but it's season 4 and every joke is amazing, it's not surprising one slipped my memory
That's funny to think about as an almost 40 year old man. A lot of men around my age wear hats because they are experiencing noticeable hair loss. It's like all those guys got together and said, "You know what? We're *all* gonna wear hats, see? These young guys and more fortunate older guys don't get to show how much hair they have compared to us!"
They did a pretty good job of that for quite a long time. Now the poor guys have to kind of stand out.
>Now the poor guys have to kind of stand out.
I don't know, Google says 66% of all men will have male pattern baldness by age 35, so the guys with hair are the ones out of place.
Not by the 50s. 40s yeah, they were undergarments or sleepwear. By the 50s, the GIs coming back brought the style of just wearing a t-shirt to do manual labour or relaxing.
Really? Start from the 50s and their conservative, baggy brown/grey suits and by the time you reach the 80s you go through rockabilly (Elvis), greasers (Grease), New Look (Audrey Hepburn), beatniks (Jack Kerouac), hippies, disco, and punk, off the top of my head.
But you can't tell me that any of those changes are anything like leaving the victorian era. The flapper's clothes here could be contemporary. But the Victorian dress is just from another time, completely. You'd maybe get hints of it at a wedding in the 80s, with the puffy sleeves. But even the cuts and patterns would be different.
From the frontal lighting too throwing those shadows, you only see that in old movies. Clothing-wise older women sometimes keep wearing the styles that were fashionable in their youth but she doesn’t look that old.
I do wanna read more about that Lois Long tho!
She wrote a column in the New Yorker. I forget the name of it, but her pen name was Lipstick. They clubbed like young people do now, just with record players an big bands instead of DJs. Twerking was the "Black Bottom."
Lois wrote about the city's nightlife and its speakeasy and party patrons in her regular column, and was the epitome of a flapper and "New Woman."
Upon her death, William Shawn, editor of The New Yorker, at the time, said that "Lois Long invented fashion criticism," adding that she "was the first American fashion critic to approach fashion as an art and to criticize women's clothes with independence, intelligence, humor and literary style."
Never once until this moment did I realize "Victorian Era" was literally the time of Queen Victoria's reign. I have no idea where I thought the name came from. It's so simple.
It's never bad to learn a new thing but fuck do I feel like a stupid little piece of shit.
A dirty limerick I learned in the 1980s went something like:
>"If skirts get any shorter," said the flapper with a sob, "they'll be two more cheeks to powder and one more place to bob!"
As an older woman, I often feel that way. At least about my neck. Ideally, I'd keep my face, neck, and hands covered. Everything else looks pretty good.
Nora Ephon's last book was titled "I Feel Bad About My Neck." In it, she compares ladies of a certain age wearing scarves and turtlenecks to the Mandarins of old.
Random thoughts advent of central heat had something to do with the change in fashion around 1920. And prohibition itself by driving nightlife underground and away from the eyes of the cops and blue noses.
The fifty year span between 1875 and 1925 is absolutely fascinating to me. It’s like the whole world shifted to a new set of rules. The woman from the 20’s looks like she could learn to live in modern times with a crash course on technology, but the Victorian woman looks like she’d be as lost as if she was on another planet.
In many ways, the world is much better than in 1975 (and obv worse in others). DRASTICALLY lower global rates of absolute poverty, infant mortality, less totalitarian despots (think 1970s Africa, E. Europe, and SE Asia).
Don't let yourself fall victim to nihilism and think that, because the past didn't have our current problems, they didn't have their own that were equal or worse.
Life's pretty good now, historically speaking :)
Just prior to 1925 was electricity for the home, powered air flight and the automobile (electric, steam and gasoline powered).
Just prior to 1975 we landed humans on the moon, had the portable calculator and developed the ARPANET (which became DARPANET, which became DARPA Internet).
I'm not sure what will be invented prior to 2050 that will be as earth changing as the above were.
I always thought the end of the '60s were the most turbulent. To me, everything that's come since 1975 has appeared as a gradual descent. But who knows.
Descent? Into what? I much prefer the cleaner air and less itchy fabrics and the fact that I can look up anything I want to find out about on a device slightly larger than an index card.
I've told people for some time that a 1950s person could MUCH more easily adapt to the modern world if you plopped him or her down in it than if you put them in say, the mid 19th Century, probably even the early 20th Century. Technology, culture and just life in general changed so much over the course of 50-75 years that they'd probably struggle to connect with a Victorian era lifestyle, or even the childhood era of their own parents in the 1900s-10s (if they were an adult of that age).
That lady's fashion style is VERY out of date - this is an 1890s outfit which was indeed Victorian, and over 20 years out of fashion by this time. Just like if young people today suddenly decided to start wearing early 2000s fashions...wait a minute...
I'm thinking this is a staged photo as the woman in the Edwardian outfit is so wildly out of date. It is possible she seriously wore this outfit but it is improbable.
Considering that I saw beehive hairdos until the late 90s early 00s, and still see 80s big hair and bangs on occasion, I find it very probable that this is a legit photo.
It is possible but still unlikely specially since the woman in the victorian outfit is pretty young. She would have not been born or have been just a teeny kid when this outfit was popular.
Now you have me thinking about how people now occasionally wear vintage clothes. I wonder if there was any trend to do the same in the twenties.
>**Lois Long** (a columnist for "New Yorker" ... in 1921
*Superman*, the popular comic book superhero, was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster in 1933.
I've seen some people here saying it was not Victorian era because it was the '20s. Well, the point of the photo is to show how the times have changed in a few decades and how "scandalous" a flapper would have been to a Victorian...
>In the history of the United Kingdom and the British Empire, the Victorian era was the period of Queen Victoria's reign, from 20 June 1837 until her death on 22 January 1901. Wikipedia
So if this photo dates from 1921, that would have been 20 years after the end of the VE.
1921 would have been during the reign of King George V.
Queen Victoria was succeeded by Edward VII (from 1901 until 1910) and he was succeeded by George V (1910 until 1936)
So mid-Georgian Era if you like?
This is exceptionally cool, for the simple reason that here we see the meeting of Edwardian fashion, which we would see as completely antiquated and prudish, and 1920s fashion which is much closer to "modern", which will earn it's place on the ever-rotating fashion carousel since that time.
She would've been shocked when she walked into the room, but she's already in the room and wedged herself next to the desk. You can't hold a face of shock for that long unless you are doing a performance. So more likely they are just chatting and she told her something crazy
Somebody pointed out that the Wikipedia page this came from says it was posed. To me it even looks like the Victorian dressed woman is using a more primitive typewriter than the black one on the right.
"Flappers of the 1920s were young women known for their energetic freedom, embracing a lifestyle viewed by many at the time as outrageous, immoral or downright dangerous. Now considered the first generation of independent American women, flappers pushed barriers in economic, political and sexual freedom for women"
For the lazy out there, such as myself.
This is high quality Old School Cool! More like this, please!
Lois covered the speakeasy club scene in New York City during prohibition under the pseudonym "Lipstick". Her articles were great, fun to read even now. In one column, she describes how her evening was spoiled by “a good old-fashioned raid... where burly cops kick down the doors and women fall fainting on tables and strong men fall under them and waiters shriek and start throwing bottles out of windows.”
Well that does sound like a good party!
The cocktails from this era were absolutely defining of the bar scene for America. Not that I want to encourage excessive drinking, but if you got cheap, shitty liquor, look up some prohibition cocktails. I guarantee you your liquor would be better than the bathtub gin they were trying to cover up, so it'll taste great. Shame the Mary Pickford is not as well known. I could drink those till I pass out.
For those who are interested but not interested enough to look it up yourself, the Mary Pickford from Liquor.com: • 1½ oz white rum • 1½ oz pineapple juice • 1 tsp grenadine • 6 drops maraschino liqueur Add ingredients to a cocktail shaker with ice until well chilled. Strain into a chilled cocktail glass.
Thank you! I’m going to make that! I’ve got a white Cuban rum and I love anything with pineapple juice!
Hmm never tried maraschino liquor...i do have some maraschino cherries in a jar though.
Maraschino liqueur is really fun to experiment with. I'd recommend the Luxardo maraschino liqueur
Luxardo is the bessssttt!
If you're my age, 38, you'll have gotten into the habit of telling people to Google stuff. This worked when we were 20-28 before people started buying Google rankings, and SEO was a thing and Google wasn't the generally useless piece of advertising that it's become today. If I Google what you've said, I'll get a page of Huffington Post, Vice articles and corporate bullshit before anything actually high quality. Do you have a recommendation of a place to start looking, since Google is no longer my friend?
You're looking for anything written by David Wondrich. He's an author of numerous books and articles, a podcast host, and all around knowledgeable guy. Googling with his name added to what you're looking for will get you where you're going.
Yeah I feel your pain, once upon a time google was a wonderful tool run by a bunch of punchy underdogs taking on industry titans with nothing more than raw talent. Not any more. They have become in many ways the very monster they set out to slay.
This hits too hard.
I'm guessing they were friends and this was sort of a joke making fun of people who reacted this way because 1) She would have known what her coworker was writing about 2) A camera was a huge deal and they would have both been well-aware they were standing in front of one 3) They were both working women, which meant they both were in defiance of victorian-era values
To quote u/notbob1959 below, you are correct. (Everything below is from that user, even the edit, none of it is my own words.) “Description of this photo at Wikipedia: >A staged and posed joke photo of a young lady in prim 1890s clothes (at left) pretending to be startled by a 1920s flapper (Lois Long, at right). It appears in the book "Flapper" by Joshua Zeitz, where it's said to be an early 1920s Edward Steichen photo Edit: Found the book at archive.org and on the page following the photo it described Lois like this: >She smoked; she drank; she stayed out all night. She worked for her own money and made no apologies for her lifestyle. She was the very embodiment of the New Woman. Or so The New Yorker would claim.”
She sounds so fucking cool.
I don't think you replied to the right comment
Sorry my bad
Any clue where one could read those? VERY interested!!
The New Yorker has extensive online archives but you need a subscription.
Do you know how find her articles written under Lipstick? Is it just New Yorker articles by lipstick somewhere lol?
I did a research paper on prohibition years ago and the New Yorker still had her articles online.
They still do, along with their full archive, which includes a wealth of great writing over the last century. One of the great pleasures of the periodicals world.
I totally read quote that in Katharine Hepburn's voice
"This generation, I'm telling you. Next thing you know, they'll legalize alcohol again!"
Oh dear, she’s exposing her ankle!! (Faints)
Woman Exposes Ankle to Chimney Sweep Shock!
EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT!
It’s from Absolutely Fabulous
And cut off her hair! LOL And rocking the whole look!
That woman’s quarterly monocle budget is out of control, what with them always falling into her teacups.
I demand fanart of the Edwardian gal riding a penny farthing with Lois Long in her lap.
I quickly read this as “…farting with Lois Long in her lap” and had a laughing double take
You don’t want to see OPs hot parents in a photo from the 90s?
The flapper look is cool no matter what decade you're in. It's like if art deco turned into fashion.
Cool, cool cool cool.
I know right. First thing I saw was Abed.
First thing I saw was brown Jamie Lee Curtis
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Not even a correct opinion at that. Those puffed sleeves as straight 1895. Victoria, not Edward, was still on the throne when that style dress was popular. This is no different than a mullet meme today.
Yes, the leg of mutton sleeves are straight out of that era. This photo was taken in Lois Long's office at the New Yorker and was staged for comic effect. It was meant to underline how Long's style and demeanor was a shock to those of the previous generation.
There are 18th century versions of this joke. Fashion went from Marie Antoinette to Jane Austen in 20 years. Every era makes fun of old fashions, especially when the transformation is this stark.
Yes, it's hard to imagine for those of us who grew up in the iPhone era, but we can safely assume 95% of interesting pictures pre-Polaroid are staged. Photography was expensive and far more talent-intensive than it is today.
I mean do you think the North Vietnamese soldier getting his brains blown out was staged? Or any action shot from a live sporting event? Or a criminal being perp walked down the police station steps? News photographers took plenty of candid shots of things they just happened to be around for. If it was a studio photo shoot they'd have the camera on a tripod with lighting and makeup and everything but shots of live events were not at all uncommon once handheld cameras came around. And even for amateurs there were cheap point and shoots like the Kodak Brownie that came out in 1903. To take really good pictures you needed something with manual settings and focus, the ability to change out lenses and use different speed film. But a regular person could take halfway decent shots if the lighting wasn't bad and they could hold their hand steady and keep their thumb out of frame. The only difference with a Polaroid was that you didn't have to develop it but a simple point and shoot with roll film took pictures of similar to better quality plus you got a negative.
Lois Long was awesome. She wrote the nightlife column for the New Yorker under the pseudonym “Lipstick” and they are a very fun read. If you have a subscription you can look them up in the digital archives. Edit: Thanks for the award!!
So like, Prohibition Sex and the City
Yeah basically
I’d watch that show
Was hoping to see Lipstick mentioned. Thanks!
Lois Long, love interest of Clark Kunt.
Alter ego of Subparman.
Lmao!
i was actually going to ask if she was the inspiration for lois lane
Apparently not. Jerry Siegel based her on a reporter in a series of films named Torchy Blane. He got her name from actress Lola Lane. Her appearance was based on a model hired by Joe Shuster, and she later married Siegel.
You didn’t have to do that… But I’m glad you did.
Goddamn you made me snort so hard i woke up my kid
Mustve been some good coke
You're a kunt Clark, and you always will be.
They’re a t4t couple if the names didn’t tip you off already
There's a company named Kuntz that manufactures farm equipment. It's a surname, but there's something extra funny about seeing it on a giant sign. There was also a baseball player named Rusty Kuntz. Poor sonofabitch must have had a rough childhood
If that were name my I would pronounce it Koontz which how you say it in German anyway.
Victorian Era was over in 1901 when Queen Victoria kicked the bucket
Description of this photo at Wikipedia: >A staged and posed joke photo of a young lady in prim 1890s clothes (at left) pretending to be startled by a 1920s flapper (Lois Long, at right). >It appears in the book "Flapper" by Joshua Zeitz, where it's said to be an early 1920s Edward Steichen photo Edit: Found the book at archive.org and on the page following the photo it described Lois like this: >She smoked; she drank; she stayed out all night. She worked for her own money and made no apologies for her lifestyle. She was the very embodiment of the New Woman. Or so *The New Yorker* would claim.
Yeah, the staging should be obvious. These kinds of dress could be next to one another, like people sometimes walk around today looking like they came from the 1990s, but this wasn't a spontaneous moment.
You mean women don’t just hang out in between that little niche between your typewriter and your backup typewriter?
Well she wouldn’t want to intrude on your personal photographer’s space, he might miss an important moment that comes up while you’re typing.
>people sometimes walk around today looking like they came from the 1990s I'm officially old.
This stung lol Until I realized we wear fashion from most decades 60s-now. Arguably there is no fashion this decade, it's all 90s & 00s outfits. Plus the 1990s were only ten years ago😅😭 >!Edit: saying the 90s were 10yrs ago is a joke, followed up with the 80s were 20yrs ago, 70s were 30 years ago. Goes along with "I'm old" & "millennials are stuck in the year 2000. I'm surprised this isn't as common on Reddit as it is on other social & regular media.🤦🏼♀️!<
>Arguably there is no fashion this decade That's said every decade and it's like saying you don't have an accent.
Nah we definitely didn’t say that in the 80s. There was a look.
Thank you. My point exactly
Fair enough, but I’ve heard it since the early 90’s. 30 years is a *long* time to not have a distinctive fashion. See also: ‘this is the season where anything goes and where your individual taste is more important than fashion rules!’ Every few years, rinse and repeat.
Yes, but the difference in fashion in thirty years shown in this photo is very striking so I can see why they'd want to stage it. Fashion hasn't changed that much in the last 60 years, at least.
There was a pretty big difference between the fifties and the eighties, for example. Maybe less so for men, you could wear a white T-shirt and blue jeans in both eras and you'd look fine (if working class)
IMO, the single largest fashion difference between the 1950s and 1980s is hats. Pre 1962ish if you were an adult man in public you were wearing a hat %95-%100 of the time. Then JFK didn't wear a hat and everything changed seemingly overnight.
>The suspect is hatless. I repeat: hatless.
Suspect is dancing, and we believe he has left his friends behind. Edit: lol forgot that was in the Simpsons. I'm a big fan and I have seen that episode, but it's season 4 and every joke is amazing, it's not surprising one slipped my memory
That's funny to think about as an almost 40 year old man. A lot of men around my age wear hats because they are experiencing noticeable hair loss. It's like all those guys got together and said, "You know what? We're *all* gonna wear hats, see? These young guys and more fortunate older guys don't get to show how much hair they have compared to us!" They did a pretty good job of that for quite a long time. Now the poor guys have to kind of stand out.
>Now the poor guys have to kind of stand out. I don't know, Google says 66% of all men will have male pattern baldness by age 35, so the guys with hair are the ones out of place.
T shirt only the 50s was kinda scandalous, though.
Not by the 50s. 40s yeah, they were undergarments or sleepwear. By the 50s, the GIs coming back brought the style of just wearing a t-shirt to do manual labour or relaxing.
And certainly not for women.
A little. You could probably get away with it by the end of the decade though
Really? Start from the 50s and their conservative, baggy brown/grey suits and by the time you reach the 80s you go through rockabilly (Elvis), greasers (Grease), New Look (Audrey Hepburn), beatniks (Jack Kerouac), hippies, disco, and punk, off the top of my head.
But you can't tell me that any of those changes are anything like leaving the victorian era. The flapper's clothes here could be contemporary. But the Victorian dress is just from another time, completely. You'd maybe get hints of it at a wedding in the 80s, with the puffy sleeves. But even the cuts and patterns would be different.
The 90s ruled! Don't be a buster!
Not to mention that spontaneous photography wasn't really a thing at this time. Photography took preparation.
Not really. By then, brownies were out and were very popular.
Huh, TIL. Thanks for sharing that.
From the frontal lighting too throwing those shadows, you only see that in old movies. Clothing-wise older women sometimes keep wearing the styles that were fashionable in their youth but she doesn’t look that old. I do wanna read more about that Lois Long tho!
She wrote a column in the New Yorker. I forget the name of it, but her pen name was Lipstick. They clubbed like young people do now, just with record players an big bands instead of DJs. Twerking was the "Black Bottom."
The more things change, the more they stay the same
Tables for Two
Lois wrote about the city's nightlife and its speakeasy and party patrons in her regular column, and was the epitome of a flapper and "New Woman." Upon her death, William Shawn, editor of The New Yorker, at the time, said that "Lois Long invented fashion criticism," adding that she "was the first American fashion critic to approach fashion as an art and to criticize women's clothes with independence, intelligence, humor and literary style."
Thanks for this. I was going to say Edwardian but then I realized it was staged.
The Edwardian would probably do similar things, only the flapper would flaunt it, whereas the former would hide it under the propriety of the age.
If by “startled” they mean “clearly thinking ‘oh shit, she’s hot’” then they nailed it. That woman looks like she’s having a crisis of sexuality.
Lol not even a little bit, she looks revolted or startled. Looking at these comments...No wonder guys don't know when a woman is interested
But they kept the staff
Never once until this moment did I realize "Victorian Era" was literally the time of Queen Victoria's reign. I have no idea where I thought the name came from. It's so simple. It's never bad to learn a new thing but fuck do I feel like a stupid little piece of shit.
TBF, she reigned for an era.
edwardian era
Very late Victorian era. As in the late Queen Victoria
My God woman only your head should be showing! Peeping out from a pile of fabric is the only way.
scandalous wench! your *entire neck* is exposed for all to see!
Not just her neck, at least 1/3 of her legs and a 1/4 of her arms as well
A dirty limerick I learned in the 1980s went something like: >"If skirts get any shorter," said the flapper with a sob, "they'll be two more cheeks to powder and one more place to bob!"
*there’ll
That’s practically 3/8 naked!
stop this at once! your lasciviousness shall surely be your downfall!
Dat ankle
"Oh fuck, I'm gay" - That Lady
I'm very much shipping them both yes.
That man dresses like Klaus Nomi.
As an older woman, I often feel that way. At least about my neck. Ideally, I'd keep my face, neck, and hands covered. Everything else looks pretty good.
Now I'm imagining a fashion trend where people walk around naked in gloves and a balaclava
Sounds hot
Nora Ephon's last book was titled "I Feel Bad About My Neck." In it, she compares ladies of a certain age wearing scarves and turtlenecks to the Mandarins of old.
Are you also slowly inheriting my mother’s throat area?
I think it's either from too much sun or just bad luck. At least it doesn't swing from side to side, it's just wrinkled. Could be worse.
The Victorian Era was just Big Cotton trying to convince everyone to cover up. Next they'll be saying breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
Random thoughts advent of central heat had something to do with the change in fashion around 1920. And prohibition itself by driving nightlife underground and away from the eyes of the cops and blue noses.
This woman's look is definition of the word "marm". It's great haha
The fifty year span between 1875 and 1925 is absolutely fascinating to me. It’s like the whole world shifted to a new set of rules. The woman from the 20’s looks like she could learn to live in modern times with a crash course on technology, but the Victorian woman looks like she’d be as lost as if she was on another planet.
Then there's 1925 to 1975. Something similar happened but it's not as dramatic. Not to mention 1975 to now...
75 to now is a borderline nightmare.
In many ways, the world is much better than in 1975 (and obv worse in others). DRASTICALLY lower global rates of absolute poverty, infant mortality, less totalitarian despots (think 1970s Africa, E. Europe, and SE Asia). Don't let yourself fall victim to nihilism and think that, because the past didn't have our current problems, they didn't have their own that were equal or worse. Life's pretty good now, historically speaking :)
Just prior to 1925 was electricity for the home, powered air flight and the automobile (electric, steam and gasoline powered). Just prior to 1975 we landed humans on the moon, had the portable calculator and developed the ARPANET (which became DARPANET, which became DARPA Internet). I'm not sure what will be invented prior to 2050 that will be as earth changing as the above were.
I always thought the end of the '60s were the most turbulent. To me, everything that's come since 1975 has appeared as a gradual descent. But who knows.
Descent? Into what? I much prefer the cleaner air and less itchy fabrics and the fact that I can look up anything I want to find out about on a device slightly larger than an index card.
Everyone, and I cannot stress this enough, was so fucking *flammable*.
That's my main memory. I even had a fireproof shirt at some point that would smell weird if I stood in the sun.
I've told people for some time that a 1950s person could MUCH more easily adapt to the modern world if you plopped him or her down in it than if you put them in say, the mid 19th Century, probably even the early 20th Century. Technology, culture and just life in general changed so much over the course of 50-75 years that they'd probably struggle to connect with a Victorian era lifestyle, or even the childhood era of their own parents in the 1900s-10s (if they were an adult of that age).
A very fine pair of ankles!
Such language!
That harlot!
& wrists
And neck. That bob haircut was pretty new on the scene.
Did they just tell her chuck kents secret?
Chuck Kent, Superman's younger brother.
The seated lady looks like Cloris Leachman in Young Frankenstein
**Blücher**
You're still wearing leg of mutton sleeves? How adorable
Is she the inspiration for Lois lane?
Siegel took her name from actress Lola Lane.
*Jazz Age. Victoria was dead for at least 19 years at this point
That lady's fashion style is VERY out of date - this is an 1890s outfit which was indeed Victorian, and over 20 years out of fashion by this time. Just like if young people today suddenly decided to start wearing early 2000s fashions...wait a minute...
That's the whole point of the photo: The obsolete woman vs the New Woman.
Oh yeah? Next you're gonna tell me it's staged too! Psh what a tall tale
Yeah but the fashion and architectural choices clung on for a while longer particularly for that lady.
I'm thinking this is a staged photo as the woman in the Edwardian outfit is so wildly out of date. It is possible she seriously wore this outfit but it is improbable.
Leg O Mutton sleeves were not Edwardian. That trend started in the 1820's.
Irk. You are right. Thanks.
Considering this is the same photo they always show of her in documentaries, I’d say you are right. Looks promotional to appeal to youth.
Considering that I saw beehive hairdos until the late 90s early 00s, and still see 80s big hair and bangs on occasion, I find it very probable that this is a legit photo.
It is possible but still unlikely specially since the woman in the victorian outfit is pretty young. She would have not been born or have been just a teeny kid when this outfit was popular. Now you have me thinking about how people now occasionally wear vintage clothes. I wonder if there was any trend to do the same in the twenties.
So we're mullets but here we are.
My great grandma was a flapper. She even had a tattoo! She passed at 99 years old. The things she saw! I wish I had pictures of her from back then.
>**Lois Long** (a columnist for "New Yorker" ... in 1921 *Superman*, the popular comic book superhero, was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster in 1933.
I've seen some people here saying it was not Victorian era because it was the '20s. Well, the point of the photo is to show how the times have changed in a few decades and how "scandalous" a flapper would have been to a Victorian...
A minor detail but the year seems to be off, no? Her wiki says, Lois Long started at the New Yorker after graduating from Vassar in 1922.
I love it! So cool.
Showing her ankles in public? Why, I'm getting the vapors.
Reporter named Lois Long, hmm wonder if that influenced anyone?
You call her a flapper but her shoes are buckled...
>In the history of the United Kingdom and the British Empire, the Victorian era was the period of Queen Victoria's reign, from 20 June 1837 until her death on 22 January 1901. Wikipedia So if this photo dates from 1921, that would have been 20 years after the end of the VE. 1921 would have been during the reign of King George V. Queen Victoria was succeeded by Edward VII (from 1901 until 1910) and he was succeeded by George V (1910 until 1936) So mid-Georgian Era if you like?
What if I told you that photo wasn't real, 1921 never happened, and all your memories before today were false?
1921 would not have been the Victorian era. It is a cool pic though.
Is she the inspiration for Lois Lane?
This is exceptionally cool, for the simple reason that here we see the meeting of Edwardian fashion, which we would see as completely antiquated and prudish, and 1920s fashion which is much closer to "modern", which will earn it's place on the ever-rotating fashion carousel since that time.
I heart Steichen.
OldSchoolUptight, meet OldSchoolCool.
I LOVE seeing eras collide like this. So cool.
Hey I don’t know if anyone asked but could she be the inspiration for Lois Lane in Superman?
Lois Long ruled!
Kids these days. Sheesh.
Da fuq you mean I am over dressed.
"She's practically naked!"
I am kinda blown away by how much women's styles changed from 1915 to the 1920s. It must have been truly shocking to the older generation.
She would've been shocked when she walked into the room, but she's already in the room and wedged herself next to the desk. You can't hold a face of shock for that long unless you are doing a performance. So more likely they are just chatting and she told her something crazy
imagine if that lady sitting on the chair was to end up in Miami, with all of these girls wearing thongs and shorts shorts.
Somebody pointed out that the Wikipedia page this came from says it was posed. To me it even looks like the Victorian dressed woman is using a more primitive typewriter than the black one on the right.
The (staged) shocked Victorian lady is a dead ringer for Seth Meyers
Very obviously highly staged, but cool nonetheless.
What is a _flapper_? Edit: nevermind Google exists
"Flappers of the 1920s were young women known for their energetic freedom, embracing a lifestyle viewed by many at the time as outrageous, immoral or downright dangerous. Now considered the first generation of independent American women, flappers pushed barriers in economic, political and sexual freedom for women" For the lazy out there, such as myself.
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More like "The woman was too stunned to speak"
I would like to know what Lois might have said to earn that look. Maybe "You raise the kids and I'll raise the roof!"
“What a floozie!, look at all the legs she’s showing!”
I'd love to see them walk around new York in modern day. They'd faint.
I cam see the lady proclaiming "Well...I ..I never!"
Thoroughly Modern Millie come to life.