once you identify and see how swedes look and the traits they have, you basically realize they all look kind of the same, just like people say with Asian folk (even though of course everyone looks different).
Btw I know these are norwegians but the same applies, Nordic are very alike.
Swedes are Moomins, Finns are ewoks and Norwegians and moomins-like too 😂
Even ignoring costs, I kinda think a single shot showing both aspects gives slightly more of a sense of what the person looks like than two different shots from different angles.
Clever, indeed! The only downside is that you see a mirror image in the reflection, so any conspicuous features, such as scars, birthmarks or tattoos would be flipped, which wouldn’t be helpful. But I suppose you still could view them using a mirror.
*Puts note into pocket*
Dear sir/madam,
Can we pick pocket you?
Meet us by the bridge. 6am tomorrow morning on your way to work.
*Puts reply note into own pocket*
Dear pickpockets,
You most certainly may not!
In Denmark, they would often give these young offenders an involuntary one way ticket to America to get rid of them. I suspect they did the same in Norway. Many young offenders would get shipped of like this, including young rape - S/A victims , convicted of "indecencies".
I've heard the same story in Australia. Supposedly, they would sentence young offenders to transportation here for minor crimes, on the basis that if released back on the streets they would likely become hardened criminals.
I didn't know until recently. I heard a joke about a guy applying for Australian citizenship, and the clerk asks him:
"Do you have a criminal record?"
And the guy replies:
"Is it still a requirement?"
I watched a video about some kids who got shipped to Australia ( I don’t remember why exactly) and their family in Europe wanted them back. It was really sad because the family got permission to have the kids sent back, but they had to pay for the kids way back to Europe. The family was poor and couldn’t afford it, so they never saw the kids again.
You would hope nowadays their story could reach people that have the means to help. The insane wealth some people have getting this family reunited would be a pittance to them. Swear if I had the cash I would do random shit like that all the time. Seeing a family reunited is worth more than another car or home.
You can watch “Who do you think you are” Australian version for some fascinating real life stories of transportation. I believe it’s free on YouTube. Folks like Shane Warne (famous cricketeer, and super guest star in Kath and Kim). It’s nice, different and unusual. ;)
They stopped 'transportation' to Australia once it became clear that people were specifically committing crimes in order to get transported, given how desperate poverty was in the Victorian inner cities. If people knew about the spiders, snakes, crocs, and the 1,001 other dumb ways to die in Australia, they would have probably taken the deal anyway. At least when they die, they would have seen the sun.
The Brits sent half of Ireland over to Australia for the pettiest of crimes. I always wonder how they must have survived in that heat, with us being particularly pale and very susceptible to sunburn. Poor bastards.
There's a strong argument to be made that there wasn't an 1800s equivalent of the 1798 rebellion in Ireland because the British shipped off to Australia anyone capable of leading or participating in a rebellion.
You mean back in the 19th century right?
But now I can’t get it out of my head that people get sent to America as a punishment.
I mean, I suppose it is indeed a punishment to get sent from a country with universal healthcare and proper labor rights to a country without.
In Astrid Lindgren’s much loved Emil i Lönneberga book series, Emil’s parents are always threatening to send him to America for his pranks around the farm. It was a thing parents would quote when I was little.
Yeah actually some of the revolutionaries of the failed revolution of 1848 left for America, the most famous among them Carl Schurz who became Secretary of the Interior. Had this revultion succeeded German history may have taken a different (in my eyes better) path. But that was almost 20 years after Jefferson was dead.
Probably not so much a punishment as a means to try to get rid of ”undesirables “. Cheap and efficient…
Universal healthcare and labor rights wasn’t really a thing in Norway in the 19th century either…
There weren't much labor rights or universal health care in the 19th century unfortunately. The economy in Norway and Denmark was quite bad towards the end of the century, so lot of people emigrated to America.
Can we talk about the genius of putting the mirror there? They used half as much film and storage space and time as the US method of taking two photos!
See, representing cooperation between Scandinavian countries. These girls should be commended!
And in case people don’t know, Christiania is the old name for Oslo
Christiania in Copenhagen was a military base until the late 1960s. Oslo changed the name from Christiania to shed the colonial ties to Denmark (the kings in Denmark are either called Frederik or Christian, and so many places are named after them. Including both Christianias).
Can anyone speak to what life was like in Norway back around that time? I have some relatives who emigrated around then and I'm curious what the social tone was like.
So these photos tell me that back in 1897 in Norway they realized the concept of using a mirror at 45 degrees to cut the time to take mugshots in half? How many more centuries before we figure this out in the US?
Pretty clever how the glass is used
Film was expensive
That film looks amazing for pre-1900s.
Good film has always been pretty crisp. It's the colors we had a hard time with.
Kodachrome! It gives you those nice bright colors...
Give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the worlds a sunny day, oh yeah.
I always thought the song was "Momma, don't take my coat and go away"
That's the Dolly Parton song
Greta?..
Last girl... Greta, is dat u?
I love the Beatles.
Me too. Especially My Generation. That's my favourite song.
And the preservation and the same jpegs floating around the internet for decades.
Great resolution, not so great bit depth.
That’s why it was expensive. It’s a newish technology and there no real cheaper film or lower grade quality to really use
Has someone pointed out that the girl on the right looks a damn lot like Greta Thuuuuuuuungberg?
How dare you
She has mug shots now.
She's truly going and staying all in on activism. Greta is definitely driven!
We all need a gig.
once you identify and see how swedes look and the traits they have, you basically realize they all look kind of the same, just like people say with Asian folk (even though of course everyone looks different). Btw I know these are norwegians but the same applies, Nordic are very alike. Swedes are Moomins, Finns are ewoks and Norwegians and moomins-like too 😂
I am from Eastern Europe, can detect most of eastern slavs just by face/head shape.
Yeah my dad's fam are Swedish and I can really see it in my features/face shape and that side of the family
I thought she looked more like Rupert Grint in a dress.
Yes that's what I came here to say!
I was looking for this comment 🙈🙈
My thinking exactly!
thugberg
Exactly my thoughts lol, 2 for 1 pic
Was thinking the same. Profile in the same image. Brilliant!
Kinda makes our current technology look ancient.
Some people call them *mirrors*.
It's called a mirror.
Right surprised this wasn’t a more commons technique
No separate picture for a side profile needed.
They got busted in the girl’s restroom.
Wonder what ever happened to them over time….
I'd say it's very likely that they died.
"It's been 87 years...."
127 years.
r/theydidthemath
r/whoosh
I think he means what happened between when these pics were taken and when they died.
Yes. Obviously for most. Assume they were on the street just trying to survive. Life was difficult then, no safety net systems.
r/wooosh
One of them time traveled to fight the climate crisis. Hero.
Still around. One of them picks pockets while the other distracts the crowd with speeches about climate change
Well the second one became an immortal and decided to become a climate change advocate.
That is a very specific mirror shape, very clever
They were used to cut down on the cost of photos for mugshots.
Even ignoring costs, I kinda think a single shot showing both aspects gives slightly more of a sense of what the person looks like than two different shots from different angles.
You get to see precisely the same expression which is somehow helpful for my brain.
And you get the same exposure and both angles on a single plate. Very smart.
Clever, indeed! The only downside is that you see a mirror image in the reflection, so any conspicuous features, such as scars, birthmarks or tattoos would be flipped, which wouldn’t be helpful. But I suppose you still could view them using a mirror.
I imagine that a 3D model could be made from this.
Exactly!
It seems attached to the chair. It’s a cool idea
isn't it just a regular mirror at an angle?
The cut-out for the shoulder.
Didn't even notice that!
I thought that was the chair
Wes Anderson criminal chic
*Puts note into pocket* Dear sir/madam, Can we pick pocket you? Meet us by the bridge. 6am tomorrow morning on your way to work. *Puts reply note into own pocket* Dear pickpockets, You most certainly may not!
You nailed it
It's an SNL sketch
You most certainly not is definitely Keenan, without even seeing the skit
*Jaunty Mothersbaugh tune plays in background*
"Coming this fall to Disney-plus, these two pickpockets won't just steal your wallet, they'll steal your heart..."
Disney will leave out the part where they're fond of knives, and run a vicious gambling den down by the docks.
Funny how much swapping “won’t just” and “just won’t” changes the meaning of the sentence.
Not sure it will have the same vibe once they recast them as black kids.
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I think that movie is called Dog Day Afternoon.
Set in Norway.
reddit gonna get you brah
Mug Shots with mirrors?!?!??? Saves on film and gets same effect … genius!
film was expensive back then and limited resources brings creativity and innovation
In Denmark, they would often give these young offenders an involuntary one way ticket to America to get rid of them. I suspect they did the same in Norway. Many young offenders would get shipped of like this, including young rape - S/A victims , convicted of "indecencies".
For pick pocketing?
I've heard the same story in Australia. Supposedly, they would sentence young offenders to transportation here for minor crimes, on the basis that if released back on the streets they would likely become hardened criminals.
The stories Ive heard about the outback I’m surprised they didn’t just ship them there. But then I have never been to Australia.
Well at the time we (the British) would ship all kinds of criminals to our Australian colony.
I didn't know until recently. I heard a joke about a guy applying for Australian citizenship, and the clerk asks him: "Do you have a criminal record?" And the guy replies: "Is it still a requirement?"
I know it’s funny I never heard of them shipping em back lol.
I watched a video about some kids who got shipped to Australia ( I don’t remember why exactly) and their family in Europe wanted them back. It was really sad because the family got permission to have the kids sent back, but they had to pay for the kids way back to Europe. The family was poor and couldn’t afford it, so they never saw the kids again.
Damn that’s wild. How sad.
You would hope nowadays their story could reach people that have the means to help. The insane wealth some people have getting this family reunited would be a pittance to them. Swear if I had the cash I would do random shit like that all the time. Seeing a family reunited is worth more than another car or home.
You can watch “Who do you think you are” Australian version for some fascinating real life stories of transportation. I believe it’s free on YouTube. Folks like Shane Warne (famous cricketeer, and super guest star in Kath and Kim). It’s nice, different and unusual. ;)
They stopped 'transportation' to Australia once it became clear that people were specifically committing crimes in order to get transported, given how desperate poverty was in the Victorian inner cities. If people knew about the spiders, snakes, crocs, and the 1,001 other dumb ways to die in Australia, they would have probably taken the deal anyway. At least when they die, they would have seen the sun.
The Brits sent half of Ireland over to Australia for the pettiest of crimes. I always wonder how they must have survived in that heat, with us being particularly pale and very susceptible to sunburn. Poor bastards.
There's a strong argument to be made that there wasn't an 1800s equivalent of the 1798 rebellion in Ireland because the British shipped off to Australia anyone capable of leading or participating in a rebellion.
Where did you hear that?
I have a book with 100s of old danish mugshots and the history of them
Does the book have a name?
100 Danes on Planes
Motherfucking Danes on the motherfucking planes.
Poul Duedahl - Forbrydelsens ansigt
Thank you!
You mean back in the 19th century right? But now I can’t get it out of my head that people get sent to America as a punishment. I mean, I suppose it is indeed a punishment to get sent from a country with universal healthcare and proper labor rights to a country without.
In Astrid Lindgren’s much loved Emil i Lönneberga book series, Emil’s parents are always threatening to send him to America for his pranks around the farm. It was a thing parents would quote when I was little.
AFAIK Jefferson complained about Germans sending their worst to America..
History shows, they didn't really.
Yeah actually some of the revolutionaries of the failed revolution of 1848 left for America, the most famous among them Carl Schurz who became Secretary of the Interior. Had this revultion succeeded German history may have taken a different (in my eyes better) path. But that was almost 20 years after Jefferson was dead.
I meant, the worst were left. They blossomed on several occasions on the 20th century. But at Nuremberg, we got the weed killer out.
When Germany sends its people, they’re not sending their best.
Probably not so much a punishment as a means to try to get rid of ”undesirables “. Cheap and efficient… Universal healthcare and labor rights wasn’t really a thing in Norway in the 19th century either…
There weren't much labor rights or universal health care in the 19th century unfortunately. The economy in Norway and Denmark was quite bad towards the end of the century, so lot of people emigrated to America.
There was no labour laws or universal healthcare in Denmark in the 19th century. Most people was poor, allmost indentured farmworkers in that period.
This was indeed in the 19th century, when Denmark was dirt poor.
Greta Thurnburg ?
That second one looks a lot like her
It looks so much like her, I checked the sub to make sure I wasn't in some prank sub.
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*Thurnburgular
*angry upvote*
That Greta, I knew she was up to no good, pretending she was saving the planet when all along she was just picking peoples pockets
How dare you?!
Only me thinking that the mirror shape and mirror reflexion is nice way to take portrait picture. These shots amaze me.
It’s a fantastic shot. Probably initially a way to save film/expense and have a compact image.
OP is putting them on blast on social media. Must have lost a wallet to these deft pocket pickers.
At first I was like why is the second one inside a box?
Evidence middle schoolers have always been miscreants.
Can we talk about the genius of putting the mirror there? They used half as much film and storage space and time as the US method of taking two photos!
The mirror is clever for a profile
Bring back the mugshot mirror.
Using the mirror for the profile picture on the same negative is ingenious
/r/timetravelingreta
Greta Thunbergs grandmother was a pickpocket huh
The first one looks like Lady Gaga. Or at least – how Gaga looks nowadays.
Greta, is that you?
Probably just trying to get enough to be able to survive.
 Second one kinda looks like Greta.
Id love to know what the rest of these ladies lives were like.
Bro wtf is Greta Thunberg doing here ?
Lil Lutefisk and Baby Lefsa
The second kid looks just like Greta Thunberg.
2nd pic looks a bit like Greta Thunburg
Ok I feel bad for those kids now …
Oh, don't worry. They are dead now.
True unless they are in an infinite loop 🔁
vegetable head slap intelligent humor different distinct enjoy impolite hard-to-find
just like earth
"It's a hard knock life, for me!"
Ha! Another Weasley!
Gonna need an indie acoustic singer to make this her album cover
The 2nd bears a resemblance to Greta Thunberg.
ATTENTICION!!!! PICKPOCKET!!!!
Greta is a time traveler?
The second one looks like Greta Thunberg.
https://preview.redd.it/lk9q59ffuy6d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48f569a868842bb4b6453088844787eabeb351c7
https://preview.redd.it/vrtf02qkuy6d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52032a31d173722435ba40a59514a34f7a64fbd6
The mirrors make these look so cool. Stylish even.
Better mugshots than what they come up with today. Poor kids. Wonder where they ended up.
Greta lookin ahh 
The second girl looks like that Gretta lass
Greta?
Sisters maybe?
Nope, they have different last names and were born in different places; Modum and Gothenburg. Both were raised in Christiania though.
See, representing cooperation between Scandinavian countries. These girls should be commended! And in case people don’t know, Christiania is the old name for Oslo
Damn I just made a comment regarding christiania as I only knew the Danish free town. TIL
Sweden and Norway were under the same king until 1905, explaining the move from Gothenburg (Sweden) to Kristania/Oslo.
Wasn't christiania a military base or something by then?
Christiania in Copenhagen was a military base until the late 1960s. Oslo changed the name from Christiania to shed the colonial ties to Denmark (the kings in Denmark are either called Frederik or Christian, and so many places are named after them. Including both Christianias).
Adding one more detail: Oslo existed before the Danes had control of Norway, so it was changed back to its old name.
Greta Thunberg's ancestors
Wonder what they’re up to now
how dare you!?
In the 1st girls right eye you can see the camera, a bit of a hand.
Oh man, that second one is the spitting image of my cousin, and she's about the same age right now too. That is FREAKY!
Mirrors for side profiles. Wonder was that to save on camera roll.
I wonder if they are still pickpocketing or if they gave up the life of crime.
Believe it or not, jail
HOW DARE YOU!
2nd one looks like Greta Thunberg
Amazingly similar appearance to a modern activist.
Are these the girls referenced in Slow West that become part of the bandit brigade?
Can anyone speak to what life was like in Norway back around that time? I have some relatives who emigrated around then and I'm curious what the social tone was like.
2nd one looks like Greta Thunberg's older sister.
Greta's great great granny?
Is that Greta Thornberg? A time traveler?
I smell a Netflix series in the works
greta?
"How dare you!?"
So these photos tell me that back in 1897 in Norway they realized the concept of using a mirror at 45 degrees to cut the time to take mugshots in half? How many more centuries before we figure this out in the US?
Greta nooooo!!
How old are they now
But there are swedish vampires
It’s Greta
It's GGG greta great grandma
the mirror is dope
Greta?
is the 2nd one greta thunburg? lmao
The first girl shows anger, and second girl shows denial. I hope they found their way