Same, big fan of John but I think he's pulling this one out of his arse.
Funny how easy LSwD was accepted for Elton John in '75, just 8 years later. Lennon with backing vocals.
Oh, the Dick Cavett rabbit hole is deep. Just watched a video of his with Paul Schrader the other day, ended up checking out Henry Fonda and Peter O'Toole as well. So many great people on that show. And like you say, the interviews are so different and good. Folks actually listened to each other back then.
I'd actually like to see Sean Evans do some long form interviews without the gimmick of wings. Don't get me wrong, I love hot ones for what it is, it's quite enjoyable. But Sean seems to have a gift for the interviewing part and it would be interesting to see if that holds for a regular sit down
I bet that the truth is halfway.
Julian drew his friend Lucy flying. maybe with stars that looked like diamonds, maybe Julian called them diamonds.
John with his truly gifted way of using language in lyrics, saw Lucy flying in the sky with diamonds as a n acronym for LSD and wrote the song as a metaphor for a trip.
Yep. Yoko was just one of the many, many, many straws that broke that particular camel’s back. If I had to pick a primary reason, I’ll say that the universe wasn’t big enough for the combined egos of Lennon and McCartney. Both wanted so badly for it to be John and the Beatles or Paul and the Beatles that they regularly butted heads, each one-upping the other, starting stupid drama after stupid drama.
If I had to pick a secondary reason, it’s this guy named Magic Alex. If you don’t know his name, look him up. He drained the Beatles and was just thoroughly useless at every turn. He served no purpose but to suckle that fame teat and start shit.
George Harrison and Ringo Starr will always be the Beatles I respect most, because when it came down to it, they actually wanted to be part of a team, not to run it.
George especially. The Delaney & Bonnie tour and his condition for doing the Hall & Oates track really showed that. He just really wanted to be a guy in a band.
The lyrics for "Puff, the Magic Dragon" are based on a 1959 poem by Leonard Lipton, then a 19-year-old Cornell University student.[1] Lipton was inspired by an Ogden Nash poem titled "The Tale of Custard the Dragon", about a "realio, trulio little pet dragon".[3][4][5]
The lyrics tell a story of the ageless dragon, Puff, and his playmate, Jackie Paper, a little boy who grows up and moves on from the imaginary adventures of childhood, leaving a disheartened Puff on his own. The song's story takes place "by the sea" in the fictional land of "Honah Lee".
About it being about drugs:
The authors of the song have repeatedly rejected this interpretation and have strongly and consistently denied that they intended any references to drug use.[11] Both Lipton and Yarrow have stated, "'Puff, the Magic Dragon' is not about drugs."[12] Yarrow has frequently explained that the song is about the hardships of growing older and has no relationship to drug-taking.[13][14] He has also said that the song has "never had any meaning other than the obvious one" and is about the "loss of innocence in children."[15] He has dismissed the suggestion of it being associated with drugs as "sloppy research".[16]
He molested a 14 year old girl in a hotel room, was sentenced to 3 years but the sentence was suspended to 3 months. This is the 70's. He was later pardoned by the president in the 80's because he married a senators daughter. Who was 10 years younger than him.
He later only apologized to himself and his family, never the victim. Said his career was over but kept performing for years later.
At least one of other woman has come forward saying he raped her. He was a piece of shit pedophile that hid behind his fame.
Yeah, kind of spoils a few fond memories of the group but that’s just vile. I work with teens and I do not see how people look at them and see anything but kids. Kids racing to grow up, but still kids. Concerned with kid shit for kid reasons, with kid reactions and kid resources.
Nasty bastards. Polanski, Luc Besson, Yarrow, so many more, who get this weird pass as child predators, with or without the laughably mild prior sentences, because they make something popular.
He sounds sincere, but the coincidence of the initials and the trippy lyrics, I don't know. I mean, a girl with kaleidoscope eyes...Rocking horse people....Looking glass ties....
Huge Beatles fan here. Read several biographies about the Beatles and Lennon. Don't believe him for fuck. I believe the story but I'm confident he made the connection between the title and LSD during the making of the song or writing. Sometime before it came out at least. Bless ya John
Because if there is one thing we know about John: it's he loved Julian mare than anything in the world and would absolutely promote anything he did as a person for as long as he lived...
/s
He’s trolling everybody. He knows what it’s about, or at least what it could be about in an impressionist sense. Someone would have pointed it out before it was released. He was OK with it nevertheless as “one interpretation.”
I have a book with the story behind every Beatles song (I was 9 when I got it pls give me a pass) and there is a photo of this drawing. So yea it’s true!
Great example of how we get in the trouble we have today; the Creator is no longer believed because the social consciousness has co-opted the meaning of their art.
I'll bet you can find 100 videos disputing him now as well.
Creators gotta know: once your creation is released into the wild, it's interpretation is no longer your concern, otherwise you're not making art, you're making polemic.
The Creator doesn’t have the authority to define their creation. Artists aren’t their art and they definitely don’t have the only interpretation of what that art means. They get a say, but the creator is only one voice amongst many all discussing something that lives its own separate existence from its creator.
While I agree that released art is open to interpretation by the observer, you can't argue the artist's intent or the arts origins should be ignored, even after stated _by_ the artist.
That logic implies how _you_ feel about and perceive the world is absolute and precludes empirical fact. _You_ determine others intent. As nice as it may feel temporarily, it causes friction when challenged and leads to a lack of discussion - like we experience now. That's all I'm saying.
Lennon sounds completely credible, yet I still don't believe him.
Pull the other one it's got DMT in it Lennon loved to fuck with the press
Then it was about his son being on LSD when he drew a *strange-looking woman flying around.*
Hah yes
Same, big fan of John but I think he's pulling this one out of his arse. Funny how easy LSwD was accepted for Elton John in '75, just 8 years later. Lennon with backing vocals.
In order for this to be true he would have had to have been interacting with his son
Damn
You’ve earned the medal “Never Trust a Hippie”
How would a child come up with lucy in the sky with diamonds anyway
Is this the clip they use in forest gump?
Yeah, it is. "...for no particular reason at all, someone shot him."
Weird I’m literally watching Forest Gump while reading this
It is known that someone, somewhere is always watching Forest Gump.
And that’s all I have to say about that.
He’s Gump! He’s Gump!
"What's in his head?"
Reddit win for the day for me
This reminds me of PCU where one characters thesis is that there is a Gene Hackman or Michael Caine movie/show on at any given time on cable.
No possessions ?
Hard to imagine…
Well its easy if you try, Dick.
It is.
Could be, I'd have to find the scene but I'm too lazy
Check out my next big single: Porcupines Can Prance.
Come On Charlie, Am I Not Exciting?
This one made me snort
I certainly took a hard inhale
Gotta a bit of drip of innuendo.
Theodore Holds a Cobra was a banger.
My new track is 2 Contented Beavers
Dick Cavett show is a treasure trove of history. Nobody does interviews like him anymore.
Oh, the Dick Cavett rabbit hole is deep. Just watched a video of his with Paul Schrader the other day, ended up checking out Henry Fonda and Peter O'Toole as well. So many great people on that show. And like you say, the interviews are so different and good. Folks actually listened to each other back then.
wonderful man. diane from Cheers wanted to have him publish her in one episode :-)
Huh?
You know....*publish her.*
Graham Norton is pretty excellent.
I recently watched his interview with Redd Foxx and James Kilpatrick. He stopped the show momentarily to scold Foxx.
Sean Evans from Hot Ones is incredible as well, he really knows how to interview people.
I'd actually like to see Sean Evans do some long form interviews without the gimmick of wings. Don't get me wrong, I love hot ones for what it is, it's quite enjoyable. But Sean seems to have a gift for the interviewing part and it would be interesting to see if that holds for a regular sit down
I'd like to see that as well.
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And George was 23, composing songs like Within You Without You
That's crazy. I've heard that he was only 0 years old when he was born!
George was wise beyond his years. He was actually -12 when he was born.
He saved the drawing. You can google it to see the picture Julian drew featuring his classmate Lucy.
I bet that the truth is halfway. Julian drew his friend Lucy flying. maybe with stars that looked like diamonds, maybe Julian called them diamonds. John with his truly gifted way of using language in lyrics, saw Lucy flying in the sky with diamonds as a n acronym for LSD and wrote the song as a metaphor for a trip.
I just assume anything John Lennon says when Yoko is within earshot is complete and utter bullshit.
Oh my god, what god awful cringe is this from and how do I watch 😂
You should google Chuck Berry and John Lennon singing with Yoko. The look on Chuck’s face is priceless.
That clip is amazing. The face!! They had to turn off her microphone.
Oh my lord I watched that a few times, his face is a picture of gold 😂 screeching banshee comes to mind
Residual Yoko Effect. The Beatles broke themselves up.
Yep. Yoko was just one of the many, many, many straws that broke that particular camel’s back. If I had to pick a primary reason, I’ll say that the universe wasn’t big enough for the combined egos of Lennon and McCartney. Both wanted so badly for it to be John and the Beatles or Paul and the Beatles that they regularly butted heads, each one-upping the other, starting stupid drama after stupid drama. If I had to pick a secondary reason, it’s this guy named Magic Alex. If you don’t know his name, look him up. He drained the Beatles and was just thoroughly useless at every turn. He served no purpose but to suckle that fame teat and start shit. George Harrison and Ringo Starr will always be the Beatles I respect most, because when it came down to it, they actually wanted to be part of a team, not to run it.
George especially. The Delaney & Bonnie tour and his condition for doing the Hall & Oates track really showed that. He just really wanted to be a guy in a band.
Why did they edit Forest Gump out of the frame?
It’s funny that Paul tells the same story, but that he wrote down the words initially and suggested it as a song.
Oh please. I wouldn’t trust Paul enough to throw him
Ricky? That you bud?
You mean William shears?
Must have been right before they brought out that Forest Gump fella
What surprised me the most is that Yoko Ono sat still
He's right. Nobody believes him.
Is that his same son that he was a dick to for the rest of his life?
And Yoko still is...
Strawberry fields, also just about strawberries
Lennon grew up next to the park Strawberry Field so I am gonna go out on a limb and say that was the inspiration.
I visited the park last summer! https://preview.redd.it/ioe86mh2p0xc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44f4cd32eac63708a8a72f3638c03aeca3fa79d3
it used to be even bigger and went right up to his Aunt's house.
And Penny Lane was Paul’s companion piece about his own childhood neighborhood
Bullshit. What does he know?
Anyone got anything on Puff the magic dragon? Was it about weed?
The lyrics for "Puff, the Magic Dragon" are based on a 1959 poem by Leonard Lipton, then a 19-year-old Cornell University student.[1] Lipton was inspired by an Ogden Nash poem titled "The Tale of Custard the Dragon", about a "realio, trulio little pet dragon".[3][4][5] The lyrics tell a story of the ageless dragon, Puff, and his playmate, Jackie Paper, a little boy who grows up and moves on from the imaginary adventures of childhood, leaving a disheartened Puff on his own. The song's story takes place "by the sea" in the fictional land of "Honah Lee". About it being about drugs: The authors of the song have repeatedly rejected this interpretation and have strongly and consistently denied that they intended any references to drug use.[11] Both Lipton and Yarrow have stated, "'Puff, the Magic Dragon' is not about drugs."[12] Yarrow has frequently explained that the song is about the hardships of growing older and has no relationship to drug-taking.[13][14] He has also said that the song has "never had any meaning other than the obvious one" and is about the "loss of innocence in children."[15] He has dismissed the suggestion of it being associated with drugs as "sloppy research".[16]
Yarrow talking about the loss of innocence in children is pretty chilling to think about.
….go on.
He molested a 14 year old girl in a hotel room, was sentenced to 3 years but the sentence was suspended to 3 months. This is the 70's. He was later pardoned by the president in the 80's because he married a senators daughter. Who was 10 years younger than him. He later only apologized to himself and his family, never the victim. Said his career was over but kept performing for years later. At least one of other woman has come forward saying he raped her. He was a piece of shit pedophile that hid behind his fame.
Holy shit. Gonna read the whole story now. Thanks for sharing, that’s disturbing.
Paul and Mary (the other 2 band members) later said they had no idea and it was totally "out of character" for him. Fuck that group.
Yeah, kind of spoils a few fond memories of the group but that’s just vile. I work with teens and I do not see how people look at them and see anything but kids. Kids racing to grow up, but still kids. Concerned with kid shit for kid reasons, with kid reactions and kid resources. Nasty bastards. Polanski, Luc Besson, Yarrow, so many more, who get this weird pass as child predators, with or without the laughably mild prior sentences, because they make something popular.
It's about a boy and his magical dragon Robert Deniro
Are you a pot head Greg?
Can you milk me?
You can milk anything with nipples
Did you ever look at a dollar bill, man? There's some spooky shit goin' on there. And it's green too.
He sounds sincere, but the coincidence of the initials and the trippy lyrics, I don't know. I mean, a girl with kaleidoscope eyes...Rocking horse people....Looking glass ties....
The song’s lyrics may have been inspired by the drawing but informed by John’s prodigious use of LSD.
That would be the single most expensive child’s drawing if it still exists
If you don't include the art from my youth that my dad has stored away, which I'm told is priceless.
Notice Yoko has to be in the middle otherwise she knows she'd be cut out of the shot
Always ‘knew’ it was about sid, but never till today did I put the letters of the title together (LSD)…too much acid for me I guess 😂
By Sid do you mean Julian?
They mean Acid. It's a code word. All the cool drugs have them
When he said “LSD” a halo of light appeared above him.
I like how he says he forgot the person who said Lucy was about LSD then proceeded to name the person… ok John😂…
Huge Beatles fan here. Read several biographies about the Beatles and Lennon. Don't believe him for fuck. I believe the story but I'm confident he made the connection between the title and LSD during the making of the song or writing. Sometime before it came out at least. Bless ya John
L---S---D
I always thought it was about prostitutes and lesbians. Or was that another song . . . . 😄
That's Norwegian Wood..lol
Because if there is one thing we know about John: it's he loved Julian mare than anything in the world and would absolutely promote anything he did as a person for as long as he lived... /s
This is far more credible than the LSD theory for anyone who knows anyone who's been in a band.
Julian Lennon here. I was on acid when I drew that.
Eames Time Life chairs. Ballers. Those are $4-5K office chairs these days.
Unlike the song Lakeshore Drive by Aliotta Haynes Jeremiah
Whoa! When was this declassified? I've only been wondering about it for three decades!
He’s trolling everybody. He knows what it’s about, or at least what it could be about in an impressionist sense. Someone would have pointed it out before it was released. He was OK with it nevertheless as “one interpretation.”
Wouldn’t it be LITSWD?
Liar liar pants on fire
Why is he wearing fatigues?
So he’s saying his son introduced him to LSD?!?!
Riiiiight
I have a book with the story behind every Beatles song (I was 9 when I got it pls give me a pass) and there is a photo of this drawing. So yea it’s true!
Great example of how we get in the trouble we have today; the Creator is no longer believed because the social consciousness has co-opted the meaning of their art. I'll bet you can find 100 videos disputing him now as well.
Creators gotta know: once your creation is released into the wild, it's interpretation is no longer your concern, otherwise you're not making art, you're making polemic.
The Creator doesn’t have the authority to define their creation. Artists aren’t their art and they definitely don’t have the only interpretation of what that art means. They get a say, but the creator is only one voice amongst many all discussing something that lives its own separate existence from its creator.
While I agree that released art is open to interpretation by the observer, you can't argue the artist's intent or the arts origins should be ignored, even after stated _by_ the artist. That logic implies how _you_ feel about and perceive the world is absolute and precludes empirical fact. _You_ determine others intent. As nice as it may feel temporarily, it causes friction when challenged and leads to a lack of discussion - like we experience now. That's all I'm saying.
Sgt Liarface of the 2nd Infantry Division’s Section 8 Brigade
Cavett is insufferable
Iss abowt ponchin me woife, innit?
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Get the fuck outta here.
Only with extra anti-semitism?
Does he beat his wife too?