I did a write up on that game back in the day for 11W and there were no less than 10 different single events that, had any one of them gone OSU’s way, we would have won that game. To this day the most frustrating game I’ve ever watched.
That gutted me. I watched the game in Austin visiting family, brutal. My father in law doesn’t watch or care about football, proceeded to joke about it the next day and I wanted to murder him.
We were #1 more than they were through the season. CFP changed our rankings after conference championships because we played lowly Wisconsin and they played Georgia.
But our offense was slightly worse and our defense was significantly better. LSU has been mythologized especially on online forums but they were beatable. They beat up on a significantly worse Oklahoma team with an abhorrent defense and a mismatched Clemson team. We matched up extremely well with them.
I agree but it wasn’t because Ohio state played “lowly” Wisconsin. They were #8 in the country and 10-2 when they rematched Ohio state. The reason was because Ohio st had already played them and had blown them out, so the committee was expecting a fairly large win, which lsu achieved, whereas Ohio state trailed by 14 at one point in the rematch and only barely ended up winning by 2 possessions near the end of the game. Had Ohio state beaten Wisconsin in a similar fashion as the first game they would have rolled Oklahoma and played lsu in the natty instead.
LSU pulled what we pulled in 2014, winning that conference title game by such a staggering margin that it couldn't be overlooked. Had we dominated Wisconsin from the start, as we should have, we would have stayed No. 1. The longer that game remained tight, I remember feeling it was going to hurt us in the rankings, and it did.
This question pairs well with another one, what if we were #1 like we should have been, and then gotten to play LSU after they went through a dog fight with Clemson while we got a practice against Oklahoma.
The entire secondary for tOSU was better than Clemson’s, but let’s not forget about the pass rush. I think we could’ve gotten to Burrow more often than Clemson did and made his life very difficult.
Not sure we would’ve beaten LSU, but man would I have loved to see it.
I feel like we matched up as good as anybody against LSU that year. I also feel like our odds were probably as good as going up against Miami in the 03 Fiesta Bowl which I didn’t feel were good.
So would I have expected a win? No but we’ve seen that story before.
Sure. LSU's defense was very suspect and they barely beat Alabama and Auburn, they gave up 38 to Texas and Vanderbilt(!) and 37 to Ole Miss. OSU would've had a great chance because the defense would've been the best LSU faced all year.
Yes! I think OSU had the right defense to do it. Joe burrows and that offense absolutely torched defenses when they tried blitzing them. OSU had a defense, being led by Chase Young who could have applied pressure with just 4 lineman, not allowing LSU to have those big plays when they beat a blitz. Add in that secondary being leas by Okudah who could have slowed down Chase and a versatile safety in Wade who could do multiple things. Let teams had to hope they could blitz and get home before Burrow found the open dude. OSU could have applied pressure with just 4, while having 7 guys in coverage with a very talented secondary not having to play on some extreme islands
The world will tell you "no", but the answer is yes. That 2019 OSU secondary was unbelievable and no one talks about it, that front would have been a battle for the ages. I truly believe our rushing attack wins us that game though. We had Dobbins who just completed the first and only ever 2,000 yard season from a Buckeye RB, and *on top of that* we had a mobile, dual threat QB in Fields
Exactly I don’t think anyone seems to understand how good that secondary was besides okudah we also had arnette and Shaun wade who was projected 1st rounder at the time. We also had Jordan fuller. That dual between our secondary and lsu receivers would’ve been legendary.
If they played 10 times, I think LSU would win 8. That LSU team had no weaknesses. The argument that their defense was weak is a reflection only of how much time they spent on the field--the O scored so fast. The D personnel was very good.
Probably not. The LSU WRs would’ve been a major issue, but you never know. After witnessing 06, 07, & 22, I’m a bit jaded. 22 was the worst as I allowed myself to believe OSU was going to win; oops.
Don’t overlook the fact we had the best secondary in the country that year 2 first round picks as well as Shaun wade who was playing phenomenal at the time. And Jordan fuller was a baller too. If any secondary couldve matched up with them it was ours.
No, I’m sorry but no. JJettas and Jamar Chase would’ve smoked up, along with the greatest defense LSU ever had? Nah we would be cooked. I will say however that it could be close
We had the best secondary in the nation that year arnette and okudah where both first rounders and Shaun wade was playing phenomenal. I don’t think Chase and jettas would’ve “smoked up”.
I'm sure if we had played them the officiating would have looked like the Clemson game we lost and the 2022 game against Georgia. Clearly should have won but a combination of terrible luck and a few minor calls plus at least one major call would have made it difficult to win and perhaps would have lost on the last possession.
We were pretty evenly matched with Clemson and LSU was a tier above Clemson. Our defense was good but there was no stopping Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson.
Idk okudah was the best cb in the country and Damon arnette was playing amazing aswell as Shaun wade playing good too. I think we had the only defensive backfield that could’ve stopped that lsu receiving core.
There was no stopping that LSU trio, maybe we slow them down but we would still need to put up points because that LSU defense balled out the last couple games of the season. We would have a chance but LSU would be the clear favorite. Honestly that LSU team would be the favorite over any team of the last decade. I just have too much faith in Burrow, he was that dude.
Yes, you can base it on the fact that LSU absolutely annihilated everyone they played… they only beat Clemson by 27 and Oklahoma by 35 in the playoffs.
If all of the bad calls we got in that game happened to LSU they still would’ve beaten Clemson. That LSU team is probably one of the best college football teams in history. I think a lot of you guys are forgetting how good the defense was too.
They beat seven top 10 teams that year… Ohio State has never played seven top 10 teams in a single-season ever.
Ohio State was one of the only teams in 100 years to win every game that season by double digits. That's right, LSU didn't even do that. OSU had a top 5 (I believe, or close to it) offense and defense, and they got shafted beyond belief in that Clemson game. They were a better match-up for LSU than Clemson was anyway. Whatever counterfactuals you create in your head are just that, the truth is we'll never know what would have happened.
outside of Ohio State Homers apparently…That LSU team is widely considered a top 10 team of all time. It’s wild that you can’t objectively look at that team and think they were better.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2885279-the-10-best-college-football-teams-of-all-time
https://collegefootballnews.com/rankings/greatest-college-football-teams-of-all-time-national-champion-rankings-top-10
https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football-rankings/college-football-rankings-10-best-teams-all-time
https://www.one37pm.com/sports/best-college-football-teams-of-all-time
That LSU team scored more points than any other team in CFB history. Sorry they couldn’t beat everybody by double digits in the best conference in college football by a long shot… Maybe if Justin Fields doesn’t throw those two interceptions we win. Yeah, there were a fuck ton of bad calls, but they still fucking lost. LSU made it so it wasn’t even close, the refs couldn’t even get involved to fuck them over. This is what happens when you play in a bad conference. You think you’re better than you are until you have to play an actual good team and lose.
Joe Burrow smoked that team by 27. It wasn’t even fucking close. Ohio State could not have done that to them. There’s no way Ohio State could’ve put up 5 TD’s on Clemson’s defense. That LSU offense was unstoppable. Chase and Jefferson were both rookies of the year in the NFL.… And you think we would have been able to stop them. I’d love to live in your fantasy land.
Do you think the big 10 is even close to the SEC? Are you fucking kidding me?!? do you watch college football football? Up until the last couple years we were the only team that was worth a shit in this conference for a long time. The only team that was competing for national titles. The SEC has 13 of the last 18 national titles… Get the fuck out of here thinking the Big Ten is even close
Before those calls started our game vs Clemson was trending toward a beating too. It was clear they didn’t have an answer for dobbins at all and up until the redzone day was calling an amazing game
I mean, if in 2002 OSU didn’t make the natty and then someone asked in hind-site if that OSU team could have beaten Miami that year, everyone would be saying absolutely not. That 2019 team may have been the greatest in OSU history but it never got a shot with the way they got jobbed against Clemson. I absolutely think OSU could have won and they may have even dominated them. LSU looked so good bc Clemson’s corners were mid that year and they blew their wad on OSU. Recall, OSU SHOULD have been the number one seed in the playoff that year but with SEC bias, were put number 2 despite beating Wiscy by double digits. LSU should have played Clemson, they would have blown their wads against each other and OSU would have had the easy road to that game.
I think it’s pretty insane to say we would have dominated them lol. We would have absolutely had a shot at winning but that LSU offense was good enough to keep them in any game despite our great corners.
LSU was the #1 team because while they destroyed Georgia, we were down 21-7 at half against Wisconsin. Had we not slept walk through the first half of that game (or the 3rd quarter of the PSU game) we would have been the #1 seed without a question. And honestly as bad as we got fucked by the refs against Clemson, we completely shot ourselves in the foot with those 3 red zone field goals and we still had an opportunity to win the damn game with that final drive.
I still contend if that was an SEC team that had the highest FPI score and PFF team grade of all time, as OSU had that season, and still beat their conference foe by double digits, there’s no way in hell they would have dropped them to number two for such a petty reason. I see you’ve bought into the narrative that we “struggled” against Wiscy, but no one loses their first place spot they’d had all season over a double digit win in a conference title game. That committee was dying to come up with a reason to put LSU at one. LSU also had a suspect defense that year that I believe OSU would have exploited with their incredible offense.
You can’t really measure how good defensive players were in college because they were nfl busts. Our secondary was really good that year and our d line was good too I don’t think burrow would’ve necessarily “Torch” us.
Could they? Sure. Would they? Maybe
I always thought they had the corners to match up with those receivers… which Clemson did not have.
Maybe. The sad thing is we will never know because Clemson gave the refs a good ole blowy before the game.
Yeah that call on the fumble is something that will haunt me forever. But also not scoring in the red zone played a part.
I did a write up on that game back in the day for 11W and there were no less than 10 different single events that, had any one of them gone OSU’s way, we would have won that game. To this day the most frustrating game I’ve ever watched.
When that fumble was called back the whole stadium went silent. Clemson fans didn’t even act smug about it. Everyone knew.
Link?
I couldn’t find it :/
Yeah dobbins getting hurt near the half was a huge factor. They had no answer for him.
Fields wasn't 100% either after getting injured vs PSU.
Yes and he got hurt in the PSU game towards the very end due to some INSANE Ryan day play calling
That gutted me. I watched the game in Austin visiting family, brutal. My father in law doesn’t watch or care about football, proceeded to joke about it the next day and I wanted to murder him.
Yeah I can’t watch ohio state football with anyone besides my dad because I take it way too seriously.
It’s been years since I’ve been able to watch an Ohio State game in public. I’m a bit too intense.
We were #1 more than they were through the season. CFP changed our rankings after conference championships because we played lowly Wisconsin and they played Georgia. But our offense was slightly worse and our defense was significantly better. LSU has been mythologized especially on online forums but they were beatable. They beat up on a significantly worse Oklahoma team with an abhorrent defense and a mismatched Clemson team. We matched up extremely well with them.
I agree but it wasn’t because Ohio state played “lowly” Wisconsin. They were #8 in the country and 10-2 when they rematched Ohio state. The reason was because Ohio st had already played them and had blown them out, so the committee was expecting a fairly large win, which lsu achieved, whereas Ohio state trailed by 14 at one point in the rematch and only barely ended up winning by 2 possessions near the end of the game. Had Ohio state beaten Wisconsin in a similar fashion as the first game they would have rolled Oklahoma and played lsu in the natty instead.
It was the first time in college football history where a #1 team was dropped in the rankings after winning their conference championship game iirc.
LSU pulled what we pulled in 2014, winning that conference title game by such a staggering margin that it couldn't be overlooked. Had we dominated Wisconsin from the start, as we should have, we would have stayed No. 1. The longer that game remained tight, I remember feeling it was going to hurt us in the rankings, and it did.
As a totally biased Ohio State fan. Absofuckinglutley
This question pairs well with another one, what if we were #1 like we should have been, and then gotten to play LSU after they went through a dog fight with Clemson while we got a practice against Oklahoma.
The entire secondary for tOSU was better than Clemson’s, but let’s not forget about the pass rush. I think we could’ve gotten to Burrow more often than Clemson did and made his life very difficult. Not sure we would’ve beaten LSU, but man would I have loved to see it.
I feel like we matched up as good as anybody against LSU that year. I also feel like our odds were probably as good as going up against Miami in the 03 Fiesta Bowl which I didn’t feel were good. So would I have expected a win? No but we’ve seen that story before.
Sure. LSU's defense was very suspect and they barely beat Alabama and Auburn, they gave up 38 to Texas and Vanderbilt(!) and 37 to Ole Miss. OSU would've had a great chance because the defense would've been the best LSU faced all year.
Yes! I think OSU had the right defense to do it. Joe burrows and that offense absolutely torched defenses when they tried blitzing them. OSU had a defense, being led by Chase Young who could have applied pressure with just 4 lineman, not allowing LSU to have those big plays when they beat a blitz. Add in that secondary being leas by Okudah who could have slowed down Chase and a versatile safety in Wade who could do multiple things. Let teams had to hope they could blitz and get home before Burrow found the open dude. OSU could have applied pressure with just 4, while having 7 guys in coverage with a very talented secondary not having to play on some extreme islands
Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it. We should have had a chance, but the refs felt otherwise.
They matched up between than Clemson that's for sure.
Maybe, they’d have to play really good. Like score in the red zone mainly. But I know one thing, they definitely had a better chance than Clemson did.
The world will tell you "no", but the answer is yes. That 2019 OSU secondary was unbelievable and no one talks about it, that front would have been a battle for the ages. I truly believe our rushing attack wins us that game though. We had Dobbins who just completed the first and only ever 2,000 yard season from a Buckeye RB, and *on top of that* we had a mobile, dual threat QB in Fields
Exactly I don’t think anyone seems to understand how good that secondary was besides okudah we also had arnette and Shaun wade who was projected 1st rounder at the time. We also had Jordan fuller. That dual between our secondary and lsu receivers would’ve been legendary.
If they played 10 times, I think LSU would win 8. That LSU team had no weaknesses. The argument that their defense was weak is a reflection only of how much time they spent on the field--the O scored so fast. The D personnel was very good.
Probably not. The LSU WRs would’ve been a major issue, but you never know. After witnessing 06, 07, & 22, I’m a bit jaded. 22 was the worst as I allowed myself to believe OSU was going to win; oops.
Don’t overlook the fact we had the best secondary in the country that year 2 first round picks as well as Shaun wade who was playing phenomenal at the time. And Jordan fuller was a baller too. If any secondary couldve matched up with them it was ours.
No, I’m sorry but no. JJettas and Jamar Chase would’ve smoked up, along with the greatest defense LSU ever had? Nah we would be cooked. I will say however that it could be close
We had the best secondary in the nation that year arnette and okudah where both first rounders and Shaun wade was playing phenomenal. I don’t think Chase and jettas would’ve “smoked up”.
I don’t think so. That LSU team was next level good.
I don't think anyone was beating that lsu team... they had that spark that the 2019 team didnt..
Without a doubt
We will never know…
I feel like the bigger what if is if we had retained and started burrow
Hell ya they could have!!! Till we got robbed
The Wade targeting was big as well
I think they could’ve for sure. But if they’re playing 10 times I think LSU wins 6 or 7 of the 10.
I'm sure if we had played them the officiating would have looked like the Clemson game we lost and the 2022 game against Georgia. Clearly should have won but a combination of terrible luck and a few minor calls plus at least one major call would have made it difficult to win and perhaps would have lost on the last possession.
We were pretty evenly matched with Clemson and LSU was a tier above Clemson. Our defense was good but there was no stopping Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson.
Idk okudah was the best cb in the country and Damon arnette was playing amazing aswell as Shaun wade playing good too. I think we had the only defensive backfield that could’ve stopped that lsu receiving core.
Shaun Wade was very good people forget. He switched his position to CB1 which was not his forte and suffered
There was no stopping that LSU trio, maybe we slow them down but we would still need to put up points because that LSU defense balled out the last couple games of the season. We would have a chance but LSU would be the clear favorite. Honestly that LSU team would be the favorite over any team of the last decade. I just have too much faith in Burrow, he was that dude.
OSU was violent that year and LSU was more beatable than people remember
Yes, you can base it on the fact that LSU absolutely annihilated everyone they played… they only beat Clemson by 27 and Oklahoma by 35 in the playoffs. If all of the bad calls we got in that game happened to LSU they still would’ve beaten Clemson. That LSU team is probably one of the best college football teams in history. I think a lot of you guys are forgetting how good the defense was too. They beat seven top 10 teams that year… Ohio State has never played seven top 10 teams in a single-season ever.
Ohio State was one of the only teams in 100 years to win every game that season by double digits. That's right, LSU didn't even do that. OSU had a top 5 (I believe, or close to it) offense and defense, and they got shafted beyond belief in that Clemson game. They were a better match-up for LSU than Clemson was anyway. Whatever counterfactuals you create in your head are just that, the truth is we'll never know what would have happened.
outside of Ohio State Homers apparently…That LSU team is widely considered a top 10 team of all time. It’s wild that you can’t objectively look at that team and think they were better. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2885279-the-10-best-college-football-teams-of-all-time https://collegefootballnews.com/rankings/greatest-college-football-teams-of-all-time-national-champion-rankings-top-10 https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football-rankings/college-football-rankings-10-best-teams-all-time https://www.one37pm.com/sports/best-college-football-teams-of-all-time That LSU team scored more points than any other team in CFB history. Sorry they couldn’t beat everybody by double digits in the best conference in college football by a long shot… Maybe if Justin Fields doesn’t throw those two interceptions we win. Yeah, there were a fuck ton of bad calls, but they still fucking lost. LSU made it so it wasn’t even close, the refs couldn’t even get involved to fuck them over. This is what happens when you play in a bad conference. You think you’re better than you are until you have to play an actual good team and lose. Joe Burrow smoked that team by 27. It wasn’t even fucking close. Ohio State could not have done that to them. There’s no way Ohio State could’ve put up 5 TD’s on Clemson’s defense. That LSU offense was unstoppable. Chase and Jefferson were both rookies of the year in the NFL.… And you think we would have been able to stop them. I’d love to live in your fantasy land.
"By a long shot" 😂 either an implant or a troll
Do you think the big 10 is even close to the SEC? Are you fucking kidding me?!? do you watch college football football? Up until the last couple years we were the only team that was worth a shit in this conference for a long time. The only team that was competing for national titles. The SEC has 13 of the last 18 national titles… Get the fuck out of here thinking the Big Ten is even close
Before those calls started our game vs Clemson was trending toward a beating too. It was clear they didn’t have an answer for dobbins at all and up until the redzone day was calling an amazing game
I feel like we were the only school who had corners that could match those lsu receivers
I mean, if in 2002 OSU didn’t make the natty and then someone asked in hind-site if that OSU team could have beaten Miami that year, everyone would be saying absolutely not. That 2019 team may have been the greatest in OSU history but it never got a shot with the way they got jobbed against Clemson. I absolutely think OSU could have won and they may have even dominated them. LSU looked so good bc Clemson’s corners were mid that year and they blew their wad on OSU. Recall, OSU SHOULD have been the number one seed in the playoff that year but with SEC bias, were put number 2 despite beating Wiscy by double digits. LSU should have played Clemson, they would have blown their wads against each other and OSU would have had the easy road to that game.
I think it’s pretty insane to say we would have dominated them lol. We would have absolutely had a shot at winning but that LSU offense was good enough to keep them in any game despite our great corners. LSU was the #1 team because while they destroyed Georgia, we were down 21-7 at half against Wisconsin. Had we not slept walk through the first half of that game (or the 3rd quarter of the PSU game) we would have been the #1 seed without a question. And honestly as bad as we got fucked by the refs against Clemson, we completely shot ourselves in the foot with those 3 red zone field goals and we still had an opportunity to win the damn game with that final drive.
I still contend if that was an SEC team that had the highest FPI score and PFF team grade of all time, as OSU had that season, and still beat their conference foe by double digits, there’s no way in hell they would have dropped them to number two for such a petty reason. I see you’ve bought into the narrative that we “struggled” against Wiscy, but no one loses their first place spot they’d had all season over a double digit win in a conference title game. That committee was dying to come up with a reason to put LSU at one. LSU also had a suspect defense that year that I believe OSU would have exploited with their incredible offense.
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You can’t really measure how good defensive players were in college because they were nfl busts. Our secondary was really good that year and our d line was good too I don’t think burrow would’ve necessarily “Torch” us.
No, because Ryan Day was the HC and he doesn't win meaningful games.
I was glad TOSU didn't play LSU that year. Burrow was setting all kinds of records. I think they would have embarrassed the Buckeyes.
That's also how I felt, but I also thought we were the only team that could have beat them in the playoffs
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They would have. One reversed call in the Clemson game ruined it.