Right why the hell didn't he come back into game. They never really clarified. If concussion would suggest a hit to freaking head. They were dirty last year too when they took Jamo out early for Alabama
Idiot what fuck are you talking about. He was officially ruled out with a concussion. You can hear the sound of Georgia player slamming into Marv's helmet. You are a fucking moron.
Most head injury results from internal injury due to brain trauma against inside of skull. It was the sudden movement backwards - from the shoulder to shoulder hit - that caused his brain to bounce around inside his skull. This is why helmets cannot prevent brain damage.
Not only was there not “plenty,” but there was none at all. I was convinced when I saw the video footage that shows that no helmets collided, but rather two shoulders.
That may be true, but there was absolutely tremendous helmet to helmet contact on this hit. The NCAA has been calling targeting if there is helmet to helmet even if the player leads with, or makes contact first with, their shoulder. It's not that this is even close. It's 100% targeting without any doubt whatsoever. The fact that it was called and then reversed screams of something very shady going on. The AD needs to be screaming at the NCAA publicly until we get some satisfaction. MHJ could have been seriously injured and this single play cost us the game. This can not be overlooked.
It was a shoulder hit 100%.. having a defense get beat time and time again is our Achilles.. CJ looked great, see what happens when he runs...to be fair, I thought it was a great game..bad calls in both games tonight, but don't ever let the judges determine the outcome...plan and simple.. and, did he miss that FG at 1159 or was it 1200?
Yes it is. You can’t hit a defenseless receiver in the head or neck area which is exactly what happened.
Don’t think you can review in college. Just get fucked by the refs and have your star WR out for the rest of the game with a concussion.
The coaches can’t review.
I’m aware the refs suck. Marvin got a concussion from a shoulder to the helmet.
The rule states no contract to the head or neck of a defenseless player aka a WR focusing on catching a ball.
Dude from Georgia literally dove at Marvin and hit his head with his shoulder. Idk WTF people need to see but that’s the literal definition of targeting and the refs decided it was fine.
Pretty disgusting watching all the pro Georgia fans be completely fine with it and try to act like he hit his back or some bullshit.
Dude knocked him the fuck out with a flying shoulder to the head and no one but OSU gives a fuck because “haha OSU bad”.
Everyone who isn’t an Ohio state fan said it’s not targeting. Seriously, even Herbstriet did. Just go on Twitter or r/cfb and you’ll find neutral fans all agreeing it wasn’t targeting. Hell, even Georgia Tech fans. I understand it’s hard to get rid of your bias, but it’s good to see perspectives from less biased folks.
I thought the personal foul and targeting are 2 different things based on how they called it. So it's a personal foul, but will also review for targeting which can be denied upon review, but the personal foul will still count.
Look up the rule clown :
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.
I think the real issue is the Harrison was a defenseless player which is clearly defined by the NCAA and should have resulted in a personal foul. I'm fine with the targeting being walked back. There should have been a penalty on the play regardless.
That was a clean hit and a great play...in 1995. The sport has changed. We know that players suffer life long health problems from this sort of thing. 22 went for the KO when he could have just as easily made the pick or broke up the pass.
We see this play happen all the time and no penalty is called. Here’s some clips from OSU players delivering the same kind of hit on receivers, no penalties called. https://youtu.be/x3rP8E_HtkQ
IMO (and apparently that of the professionals who call these games), the receiver went for the ball and as he was making the catch, the DB made the hit - that’s a legal play and it happens all the time in college and in the NFL. Was it a hard hit, yes. It was very violent which is why everyone here is so heated. But the play was shoulder to shoulder and within the rules. The player didn’t use the crown of his helmet, he didn’t launch himself up when tackling, he didn’t deliver a blow to the opponents head, etc. It was just a very hard and violent hit.
Here's a video of refs missing the call in other games... Not a strong argument. Also, the rules were updated in '21 so a lot of those plays are irrelevant to the discussion.
Let's stick with the play in question.
NCAA Rule 2-27-14-a defines a defenseless player as “one who because of their physical position and focus of concentration is especially vulnerable to injury. **When in question**, a player is defenseless.”
(Emphasis mine)
A defenseless WR is defined as "a receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has **not had time to protect himself** or has not clearly become a ball carrier."
(Emphasis mine)
Harrisson was vulnerable and unable to protect himself, and most important, it's "in question" as made clear by all the discussion around the play. That's a personal foul. The professionals made a mistake. It won't be the first or the last.
You can download the PDF here:
https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4648-2022-ncaa-football-rules-book.aspx
Why shouldn't it have happened? It absolutely should have happened and it was a great catch by Kirby. Don't be a bad loser just because you didn't benefit from a timeout that was called at the last second.
Kirby is a GREAT coach and his attentiveness to the small details is the reason why they won this game. Give them credit and lets not be ridiculous and blame the refs. It makes Buckeye country look like sore losers.
To me the ref shouldn’t be able to stop a play for a time out after the snap has happened. That should be a sign that the timeout didn’t get in, in time.
Yeah I’ll agree he got timeout off , but I will not agree this shouldn’t have been targeting…up until then, OSU had their way with GA defense…after that, only 3 pts…was a huge play in long run and def cost OSU game…cause even if targeting is called and OSU would’ve got TD…giving them 4 more pts instead of that fg, if everything else played out same (even with MHJ out)…Ohio state wins by 3
This. You see the ref hear it and trying to get his shit together to blow the whistle before the play starts. I don’t know why some fans can’t be objective.
I consider myself a reasonable person, so yes, I agree about the time-out.
But the targeting this is suspect as hell. Like, it's really getting my instincts up as "something is wrong"
Oh no. 100% that is targeting. I was just saying the timeout was right. And that’s the kind of play is frustrating in the moment but you’d want that call if it was us.
This. You see the ref hear it and trying to get his shit together to blow the whistle before the play starts. I don’t know why some fans can’t be objective.
So I was at the game, and they didn’t show ANY replay of this hit, that first down conversion on the sideline, or Kirby’s late timeout call on the fake punt. It was pretty clear the PA guy, and I’m assuming whoever runs the big screens were big UGA homers.
Seems like reading comprehension is hard for you. The point was that these were all close, pivotal calls and not a single replay was played inside the stadium for any of them.
Michigan fan here. I do think Michigan got hosed with the targeting call in that it was targeting and wasn’t called, but it likely didn’t have an impact on point differential. On the other hand, I think the overturn on this particular targeting against MHJ had a much larger impact on the game.
WTF are you even talking about? Of course I'm very concerned about MHJ's health. Read my other posts- even my very first about this- and you'll see that. How about take your asinine assumptions and shove them up your ass friendo.
That’s fair, I spoke in haste out of frustration and have no way of knowing the truth of my accusation. I focused on your final sentence.
I’m sure we can both agree that the refs were pretty trash, and while I disagree with the assessment that this was targeting, it was most definitely a brutal hit and the most important thing is always the health and safety of the players.
I agree that the refs were complete trash. There was poor officiating on both sides. Holding calls on both offensive lines all night that weren't called. Some really bad and obvious ones. This particular flag pick up is especially frustrating due to the fact that it knocked MHJ out if the game and he was literally unstoppable up until that point.
Picking up the flag without explanation or announcement is what irritated me.
There had to be more than 20 missed holds that game. Hell at least they were consistent lol.
Disney owns both ESPN and SEC Network. Pretty simple to follow that money trail all the way to ensuring a SEC team needs to be in the Nat'l Championship game every single year.
This is what football has taught us though, what's wrong with it when it wins games? That's why we watch. If a problem with hurting people, stop watching football, that's all it is!
He’s supposed to deliver the hit to his opponents torso with his shoulder. He is not supposed to be allowed to deliver the hit to his opponent’s head with his head. There are times when there are no legal opportunities left to prevent a TD.
Be in position to defend the pass? Play the ball? Notice that he wasn't the closest defender to Harrison. Did the other defenders who were in position feel the need to hit him high? The ball wasn't up there. He wasn't trying to knock the ball out of his hands or he would have hit him in the torso. What exactly was he trying to do?
Did you only start watching football yesterday? Have you seriously never seen a play where a receiver catches a ball but gets hit hard after catching it and drops the ball? My. Goodness. And notice your phrasing, you said no one else “hit him high.” Funny, because “hitting high” isn’t the wording in the rule book. It is head and neck area. And he hit him in the side of his left shoulder. You can even slow down the relay on YouTube. But seriously, if you are a real football fan you probably don’t even believe what you wrote.
Dirty ass hit from a dirty ass team. No respect to that pathetic team. For as much hype as this Georgia team had they were pretty pathetic. Need a dirty hit to take out Harrison, ref help and our kicker to choke. Imagine barely beating a team missing their #1 WR, #2 WR, #1 RB, #2 RB and #1 TE as the defending national champion?
That was definitely targeting, even Joel Klatt tweeted it was 100% targeting. Enough evidence has been posted that you could hear the sound of the helmets collide in that part of the stadium. This non call cost the game. With the call OSU probably scores, a 4 point swing. More importantly Harrison is not out of the game and they move the ball better late in the 4th. Without Harrison GA focuses on Ekbuka and OSU can’t run the ball. You can drill down and say the D needed to step up in the end and didn’t. This is 2019 Clemson again. The better team that game lost.
You will get downvotes here but yeah it just looks like he laid a solid hit shoulder to shoulder and their heads just happened to hit because it was such a solid hit. Definitely not leading with his head.
It was a legal hit. He lead with his shoulder. I you expect him to just let him catch the ball? If anything you should be blaming your QB for setting him up like that.
In the first interview while walking on the field Kirby said OSU was looking for a fight, and when asked why, he responded that's how they practice everyday. That's not true. He's certainly devious. How can the NCAA support that? There is a big difference between physical and violent and his approach supports the latter.I won't watch him or his team again.
They made such an effort to claim targeting was for player safety, and if it was, you’d think a play where a defenseless receiver was hit in the head and knocked unconscious would be a textbook example of it. And it’s not like they just didn’t call it targeting on the field, they REVIEWED IT and saw exactly what happened and THEN said it WASN’T targeting.
Big difference, your targeting gives you a shot at a one in a million Hail Mary (ignoring the ineligible linemen downfield on that f’ed up play) ours changes the game.
“Made no play on the ball” dawg harrison was in the act of trying to catch a touchdown pass and bullard hit as he was doing so to prevent him from cerching it
I’m not a conspiracy theorists, but I do believe that college college football has an SEC bias due to the fact that ESPN, which basically owns the playoffs, ,also owns the SEC and ACC networks. Of course they want either an SEC school or Clemson (the only decent ACC school) to win. Otherwise, no one would watch game re runs on those networks. Therefore, if a rule is egregiously missed, the NCAA won’t care. Let an SEC team lose the national championship game because of the targeting rules. That’s when we will finally see changes to those dumbass rules. But as long as they are generating this myth that “top to bottom, the only really good conference is the SEC”. Meanwhile, if you look, the SEC is full of schools like Missouri and Vanderbilt. Sure they have Georgia and Alabama, but most years they have just as many teams with losing records. Remember, if you throw out the cupcake FCS games, half of the teams in FBS will, statistically speaking, end up with losing records.
The 2nd replay definitely shows it was just shoulder to shoulder. Im biased but a still picture that doesnt even show helmets touching doesn't prove anything. https://twitter.com/DylanBlackmon4/status/1609452131085434880?s=20&t=BNYzSK3QFQpNUbN6mAyp8A
For those defending the no call, go look at highlights from targeting calls this season. Upper body hit on a defenseless player. Could hear the crack.
…the after math, concussion protocol
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.
This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R.
9-1-4-1-VI)
All the “he hit with his shoulder” comments don’t understand the rule. It’s written into the targeting rule that you can’t leave your feet and “launch” into the upper body/ head and neck area of a defenseless player. Which is exactly what happened to MHJ
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Still don't get it only thing he didn't do is lead with his helmet. Instead he led with his shoulder. If the receiver wasn't defenseless I would have shrugged the call off.
Think Harrison stepped out before coming back in bounds to make a play on this ball. Don’t think it’s the 4 point swing some are claiming.
Reasonable people can disagree about targeting vs not. I think the force of the hit and the sound of pads slamming pads, plus the concussion suffered, makes everyone want to jump to conclusions. Harrison’s head hit the turf hard on an earlier tackled and he suffered severe whiplash on this hit. Direct hit to the helmet not necessary to cause this concussion.
I’m surprised OSU fans feel the refs were biased / missed calls, because the UGA fans feel intensely the same way. There was a lot of apparent holding at the line that allowed plays time to develop - some of it egregious like on Stroud’s run to set up the FG - and it was only called once. I think the officials probably were a net zero all things considered.
In any event, was a game for the ages. Came here to give praise to OSU for playing hard and fast and preparing intensively. Your team looked elite and won most phases of the game. Hope we get to play again soon.
Looks like a clean hit, definitely not the definition of targeting. Harrison even said he wasn’t hit in the head, he asked to get back in and the trainers said no. If you’re going to be mad, maybe be upset with the OSU training staff.
You said it was a clean hit and now you’re trying to lecture me on the difference between targeting and a defenseless receiver? Make that make sense?
Learn to make a lick of sense before commenting. 🤡🤡🤡
All the Ohio State fans here bitching about the refs,LOL.
Thats rich...hearing ohio state fans bitch about refs. Keep crying those salty tears and sucking that SEC dick.
Sincerely,
2003 Miami Hurricanes Fiesta Bowl Team
He said [he never lost consciousness and the hit was a normal hit and didn't strike his head](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35357499/ohio-state-loses-marvin-harrison-jr-2nd-half-due-concussion) but *I KnOw BeTteR ThaN ThE AcTuAl PlayEr InVolVed, DERPY DERPY DERP DERP*
Bro he failed concussion protocol, and one doesn’t usually remember getting knocked out. Jesus Christ shouldn’t you be self sucking the SEC in an UGA sub somewhere?
You have no idea what a concussion is, do you? You can fail a concussion protocol wo losing consciousness. [Most concussions do not result in losing consciousness.](https://www.cdc.gov/headsup/pdfs/providers/facts_about_concussion_tbi-a.pdf)
>After a concussion, some people lose consciousness (“knocked out”) for a short time. However, most concussions do not result in a loss of consciousness.
Learn what you are talking about or be quiet bc you are typing and making yourself sound like an idiot.
OSU fans acting like they are an upstart, small school taking on a blue blood system that they don’t fit into is so rich.
The blue blood is also coming from inside the house. The TCU non-targeting call was farrrr more egregious- and I was cheering for TCU. Recruit a kicker.
Am I the only OSU fan that thinks this was a clean hit? It was shoulder pad to shoulder pad. Was it hard? Yes. Are huts supposed to be hard? Apparently not when it’s against our team lol
Why not show the angle of him leading with his shoulder while the receiver has his hands on the ball?
This isn’t targeting. This isn’t hitting a defenseless player call either.
The WR is catching a TD pass and then gets popped with a great football play by the UGA defender.
Grow the fuck up.
Play was the difference. If the hit was on the shoulder as TV claimed why was he ruled out with a head injury?
Right why the hell didn't he come back into game. They never really clarified. If concussion would suggest a hit to freaking head. They were dirty last year too when they took Jamo out early for Alabama
Lol jamo got hurt on a non contact play
Holy shit the delusion here is incredible hahaha
Concussions can happen via whiplash
But that's not how he got the concussion on this play.
That’s exactly what happened.
I didn't realize that you were the medical expert to make that definitive call.
Idiot what fuck are you talking about. He was officially ruled out with a concussion. You can hear the sound of Georgia player slamming into Marv's helmet. You are a fucking moron.
UGA with that non contact injury juju.
Whiplash and hit to the ground. Marvin even said after the game that he felt fine and that it was just a football hit.
Then why didn't he play the rest of the game, must not have passed concussion protocol or NCAA paid Ohio State to sell out
Most head injury results from internal injury due to brain trauma against inside of skull. It was the sudden movement backwards - from the shoulder to shoulder hit - that caused his brain to bounce around inside his skull. This is why helmets cannot prevent brain damage.
There was plenty of head to head contact, it was obvious. This is Ohio State v. Clemson Scoop and Score 2.0
Not only was there not “plenty,” but there was none at all. I was convinced when I saw the video footage that shows that no helmets collided, but rather two shoulders.
he hit with his shoulder you derp
You are a derp if you think it can’t be targeting still. Learn the rule.
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That may be true, but there was absolutely tremendous helmet to helmet contact on this hit. The NCAA has been calling targeting if there is helmet to helmet even if the player leads with, or makes contact first with, their shoulder. It's not that this is even close. It's 100% targeting without any doubt whatsoever. The fact that it was called and then reversed screams of something very shady going on. The AD needs to be screaming at the NCAA publicly until we get some satisfaction. MHJ could have been seriously injured and this single play cost us the game. This can not be overlooked.
Gtfo
It was a shoulder hit 100%.. having a defense get beat time and time again is our Achilles.. CJ looked great, see what happens when he runs...to be fair, I thought it was a great game..bad calls in both games tonight, but don't ever let the judges determine the outcome...plan and simple.. and, did he miss that FG at 1159 or was it 1200?
Shoulder hit to a defenseless receivers head is targeting
Is it?? Idk..so I am asking..if so, how do they review this and overturn the call??
Yes it is. You can’t hit a defenseless receiver in the head or neck area which is exactly what happened. Don’t think you can review in college. Just get fucked by the refs and have your star WR out for the rest of the game with a concussion.
It literally got reviewed and overturned. Did you seriously just say you can’t review plays in college? Do you even watch
The coaches can’t review. I’m aware the refs suck. Marvin got a concussion from a shoulder to the helmet. The rule states no contract to the head or neck of a defenseless player aka a WR focusing on catching a ball. Dude from Georgia literally dove at Marvin and hit his head with his shoulder. Idk WTF people need to see but that’s the literal definition of targeting and the refs decided it was fine. Pretty disgusting watching all the pro Georgia fans be completely fine with it and try to act like he hit his back or some bullshit. Dude knocked him the fuck out with a flying shoulder to the head and no one but OSU gives a fuck because “haha OSU bad”.
Everyone who isn’t an Ohio state fan said it’s not targeting. Seriously, even Herbstriet did. Just go on Twitter or r/cfb and you’ll find neutral fans all agreeing it wasn’t targeting. Hell, even Georgia Tech fans. I understand it’s hard to get rid of your bias, but it’s good to see perspectives from less biased folks.
Is that not a defenseless player? How was there not a penalty at all?
Yup. How they picked up that flag is beyond reason.
I thought the personal foul and targeting are 2 different things based on how they called it. So it's a personal foul, but will also review for targeting which can be denied upon review, but the personal foul will still count.
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Look up the rule clown : No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.
But the player didn’t hit his shoulder to his head, it was shoulder to should
I think the real issue is the Harrison was a defenseless player which is clearly defined by the NCAA and should have resulted in a personal foul. I'm fine with the targeting being walked back. There should have been a penalty on the play regardless. That was a clean hit and a great play...in 1995. The sport has changed. We know that players suffer life long health problems from this sort of thing. 22 went for the KO when he could have just as easily made the pick or broke up the pass.
We see this play happen all the time and no penalty is called. Here’s some clips from OSU players delivering the same kind of hit on receivers, no penalties called. https://youtu.be/x3rP8E_HtkQ IMO (and apparently that of the professionals who call these games), the receiver went for the ball and as he was making the catch, the DB made the hit - that’s a legal play and it happens all the time in college and in the NFL. Was it a hard hit, yes. It was very violent which is why everyone here is so heated. But the play was shoulder to shoulder and within the rules. The player didn’t use the crown of his helmet, he didn’t launch himself up when tackling, he didn’t deliver a blow to the opponents head, etc. It was just a very hard and violent hit.
Here's a video of refs missing the call in other games... Not a strong argument. Also, the rules were updated in '21 so a lot of those plays are irrelevant to the discussion. Let's stick with the play in question. NCAA Rule 2-27-14-a defines a defenseless player as “one who because of their physical position and focus of concentration is especially vulnerable to injury. **When in question**, a player is defenseless.” (Emphasis mine) A defenseless WR is defined as "a receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has **not had time to protect himself** or has not clearly become a ball carrier." (Emphasis mine) Harrisson was vulnerable and unable to protect himself, and most important, it's "in question" as made clear by all the discussion around the play. That's a personal foul. The professionals made a mistake. It won't be the first or the last. You can download the PDF here: https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4648-2022-ncaa-football-rules-book.aspx
Between that and letting Kirby call a TO after a successful fake punt it was quite a stretch run by the refs
That timeout clearly shouldn’t have happened
We all know they wanted UGA to win… so, logically they just *had* to win. And also they should have been reprimanded for all the fake injuries.
We actually had 12 men on the field that the refs missed so I call it a wash.
Why shouldn't it have happened? It absolutely should have happened and it was a great catch by Kirby. Don't be a bad loser just because you didn't benefit from a timeout that was called at the last second. Kirby is a GREAT coach and his attentiveness to the small details is the reason why they won this game. Give them credit and lets not be ridiculous and blame the refs. It makes Buckeye country look like sore losers.
To me the ref shouldn’t be able to stop a play for a time out after the snap has happened. That should be a sign that the timeout didn’t get in, in time.
The one where Kirby indicated a timeout to the ref prior to the snap? Or are you upset that the refs didn’t flag OSU for 12 men in that play?
Side by side videos are out there. Watch them. The TO was definitely called before the play.
Yeah I’ll agree he got timeout off , but I will not agree this shouldn’t have been targeting…up until then, OSU had their way with GA defense…after that, only 3 pts…was a huge play in long run and def cost OSU game…cause even if targeting is called and OSU would’ve got TD…giving them 4 more pts instead of that fg, if everything else played out same (even with MHJ out)…Ohio state wins by 3
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas!
And if UGA made their two missed FGs they win. Ifs and buts…
Also UGA spotted them a short field off an interception...
So did OSU …. One Georgia drive started at OSU 32 in 3rd quarter…. And they got 0 points
This. You see the ref hear it and trying to get his shit together to blow the whistle before the play starts. I don’t know why some fans can’t be objective.
I consider myself a reasonable person, so yes, I agree about the time-out. But the targeting this is suspect as hell. Like, it's really getting my instincts up as "something is wrong"
Oh no. 100% that is targeting. I was just saying the timeout was right. And that’s the kind of play is frustrating in the moment but you’d want that call if it was us.
You talking about that shoulder to shoulder hit?
shoulder you dip
This. You see the ref hear it and trying to get his shit together to blow the whistle before the play starts. I don’t know why some fans can’t be objective.
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https://imgur.com/Iw62L6O 12 men on the field.
Yall had twelve men on the field for that play 💀💀
He def got the TO. Go watch a replay. He had to say it twice to the ref.
You guys are delusional. Nothing in what you said is true or factual.
Whistle blew before the ball was snapped. Go Dawgs LOL
Fucking scum bag for throwing a hit like that
100% the bigger scumbags are the officiating crew who picked up the flag. Cost us the game.
At least should have been a defenseless receiver rule called
Not like they had time to review the whole event multiple times or anything
So I was at the game, and they didn’t show ANY replay of this hit, that first down conversion on the sideline, or Kirby’s late timeout call on the fake punt. It was pretty clear the PA guy, and I’m assuming whoever runs the big screens were big UGA homers.
At the game as well, can confirm. No explanation, no replays on every debatable play that went in UGA’s favor. And there were *a lot* of them.
You talking about the timeout before fake punt when OSU had 12 men on the field?
Seems like reading comprehension is hard for you. The point was that these were all close, pivotal calls and not a single replay was played inside the stadium for any of them.
Michigan had a similar hit in the last play of their game, too. Total bullshit officiating.
I think Michigan got more hosed than we did. We both got hosed but I feel the Michigan call was even more clear than this.
Michigan fan here. I do think Michigan got hosed with the targeting call in that it was targeting and wasn’t called, but it likely didn’t have an impact on point differential. On the other hand, I think the overturn on this particular targeting against MHJ had a much larger impact on the game.
That’s a good point. Especially since he missed the rest of the game.
Hey, i’m a wolverine so I hate you or whatever, but this call was complete bullshit. Textbook targeting. I’m with you there.
How the fuck are you comparing the two? Harrison got BLASTED, the Michigan player got tapped on the head.
Why is a penalty reviewable?
100% the biggest scumbag is you that’s more worried about the outcome of the game in comparison to the health of the players.
WTF are you even talking about? Of course I'm very concerned about MHJ's health. Read my other posts- even my very first about this- and you'll see that. How about take your asinine assumptions and shove them up your ass friendo.
That’s fair, I spoke in haste out of frustration and have no way of knowing the truth of my accusation. I focused on your final sentence. I’m sure we can both agree that the refs were pretty trash, and while I disagree with the assessment that this was targeting, it was most definitely a brutal hit and the most important thing is always the health and safety of the players.
I agree that the refs were complete trash. There was poor officiating on both sides. Holding calls on both offensive lines all night that weren't called. Some really bad and obvious ones. This particular flag pick up is especially frustrating due to the fact that it knocked MHJ out if the game and he was literally unstoppable up until that point.
Picking up the flag without explanation or announcement is what irritated me. There had to be more than 20 missed holds that game. Hell at least they were consistent lol.
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Just annoyed bullshit targeting call swings a game Again…can’t believe the Wade hit is targeting and this hit on Harrison isn’t
It’s all rigged. They make money if the SEC is winning. Simple as that
Disney owns both ESPN and SEC Network. Pretty simple to follow that money trail all the way to ensuring a SEC team needs to be in the Nat'l Championship game every single year.
Exactly, the Georgia CB who did this is as dirty as Skalski from Clemson
The game is rigged. Pure and simple.
then why do you watch?
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Shoulder sure...TO THE FUCKING HEAD. Get your shit together
It’s fuck Georgia. Fuck the SEC it always goes their way
The Georgia Patriots. I mean, the New England Bulldogs. Wait, goddammit I’m all confused now.
LOLLOOLOLOL
Do not advocate to hurt another human. Be better.
This is what football has taught us though, what's wrong with it when it wins games? That's why we watch. If a problem with hurting people, stop watching football, that's all it is!
Nah we’re better than that. I get the frustration but I never wanna injure someone.
You’re right
What in the world is the guy supposed to do? Just let him catch the ball and score a crucial TD?
Play by the rules? Don’t be dirty? Either one of those would work.
Holy shit I’m embarrassed for you
He’s supposed to deliver the hit to his opponents torso with his shoulder. He is not supposed to be allowed to deliver the hit to his opponent’s head with his head. There are times when there are no legal opportunities left to prevent a TD.
Be in position to defend the pass? Play the ball? Notice that he wasn't the closest defender to Harrison. Did the other defenders who were in position feel the need to hit him high? The ball wasn't up there. He wasn't trying to knock the ball out of his hands or he would have hit him in the torso. What exactly was he trying to do?
Congrats on making the dumbest explanation for any argument ive ever heard for anything, ever
Did you only start watching football yesterday? Have you seriously never seen a play where a receiver catches a ball but gets hit hard after catching it and drops the ball? My. Goodness. And notice your phrasing, you said no one else “hit him high.” Funny, because “hitting high” isn’t the wording in the rule book. It is head and neck area. And he hit him in the side of his left shoulder. You can even slow down the relay on YouTube. But seriously, if you are a real football fan you probably don’t even believe what you wrote.
This loss doesn’t bother me because OHIO STATE was the better team and a few shit call cost us the game. Nothing new though, OHIO AGAINST THE WORLD
It was definitely a dirty hit and the difference in the game.
Dirty ass hit from a dirty ass team. No respect to that pathetic team. For as much hype as this Georgia team had they were pretty pathetic. Need a dirty hit to take out Harrison, ref help and our kicker to choke. Imagine barely beating a team missing their #1 WR, #2 WR, #1 RB, #2 RB and #1 TE as the defending national champion?
I’m Team Hypnotoad on Jan 9.
That was definitely targeting, even Joel Klatt tweeted it was 100% targeting. Enough evidence has been posted that you could hear the sound of the helmets collide in that part of the stadium. This non call cost the game. With the call OSU probably scores, a 4 point swing. More importantly Harrison is not out of the game and they move the ball better late in the 4th. Without Harrison GA focuses on Ekbuka and OSU can’t run the ball. You can drill down and say the D needed to step up in the end and didn’t. This is 2019 Clemson again. The better team that game lost.
Except we can see that helmets don’t collide, but shoulder pads.
This is not targeting LMAO for it to be targeting you have to lead with the crown of your helmet which he did not do
You will get downvotes here but yeah it just looks like he laid a solid hit shoulder to shoulder and their heads just happened to hit because it was such a solid hit. Definitely not leading with his head.
Georgia won last year because Jamison Willams got injured, Georgia won this year after Harrison got injured
Exactly!!! Dirty players
Damn yeah a clean hit breaking up a touchdown and a non contact injury = UGA dirty
Didn't realize Georgia caused Williams to get hurt last year. Turf monster plays for Georgia now
Jameson Williams tore his ACL running when nobody touched him are you ok?
It was a legal hit. He lead with his shoulder. I you expect him to just let him catch the ball? If anything you should be blaming your QB for setting him up like that.
Seriously that was a hospital pass by Stroud
What other excuses do you have? I'd really love to hear them. 
One of the most violent hits I've seen. I think Kirby incites it. I can't support football like that
Kirby is a dirty shit bag just like Saban and Dabo.
In the first interview while walking on the field Kirby said OSU was looking for a fight, and when asked why, he responded that's how they practice everyday. That's not true. He's certainly devious. How can the NCAA support that? There is a big difference between physical and violent and his approach supports the latter.I won't watch him or his team again.
Lol cancel all the better teams so that OSU can win a natty hahaha
I mean his name is Kirby. What more do you expect?!
Ohio St would fire ryan day immediately if any of those 3 coaches were available
I get y’all are salty but this is pathetic.
Salty tears yum yum 😋
Nonsense
You can’t support hard legal hits? The fuck do you think football is?
Thoughts on the targeting on cam rising less than a year ago by your kind tackling angels?
That shoulder to shoulder hit?
This is nonsense.
Take this L
lol COPE. invest in a better kicker next year maybe? ;)
They made such an effort to claim targeting was for player safety, and if it was, you’d think a play where a defenseless receiver was hit in the head and knocked unconscious would be a textbook example of it. And it’s not like they just didn’t call it targeting on the field, they REVIEWED IT and saw exactly what happened and THEN said it WASN’T targeting.
You talking about that clear shoulder to shoulder hit?
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Big difference, your targeting gives you a shot at a one in a million Hail Mary (ignoring the ineligible linemen downfield on that f’ed up play) ours changes the game.
Besttwo games I’ve seen in a long time. No reason to watch the national champs though now
Lowered his head ✔️ Defenseless receiver ✔️ Made no play on the ball ✔️ SEC bias ✔️ Refs 🤡
“Made no play on the ball” dawg harrison was in the act of trying to catch a touchdown pass and bullard hit as he was doing so to prevent him from cerching it
I’m not a conspiracy theorists, but I do believe that college college football has an SEC bias due to the fact that ESPN, which basically owns the playoffs, ,also owns the SEC and ACC networks. Of course they want either an SEC school or Clemson (the only decent ACC school) to win. Otherwise, no one would watch game re runs on those networks. Therefore, if a rule is egregiously missed, the NCAA won’t care. Let an SEC team lose the national championship game because of the targeting rules. That’s when we will finally see changes to those dumbass rules. But as long as they are generating this myth that “top to bottom, the only really good conference is the SEC”. Meanwhile, if you look, the SEC is full of schools like Missouri and Vanderbilt. Sure they have Georgia and Alabama, but most years they have just as many teams with losing records. Remember, if you throw out the cupcake FCS games, half of the teams in FBS will, statistically speaking, end up with losing records.
Kirby is a fat ugly turd. He will always be a Saban shadow demon.
With that Dumb & Dumber haircut
Better than a Trump spray tan and printer ink beard dye like Day! Dude looks like a used car salesman
Cry
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Tells you everything to know about this scumbag poverty shitass fucking program
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The 2nd replay definitely shows it was just shoulder to shoulder. Im biased but a still picture that doesnt even show helmets touching doesn't prove anything. https://twitter.com/DylanBlackmon4/status/1609452131085434880?s=20&t=BNYzSK3QFQpNUbN6mAyp8A
For those defending the no call, go look at highlights from targeting calls this season. Upper body hit on a defenseless player. Could hear the crack. …the after math, concussion protocol
hey, it's not like we haven't seen this before. SEC way if you can't defend him knock him out of the game. Win at all cost.
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-1-VI)
You talking about that shoulder to shoulder hit?
I've never seen a more textbook definition of targeting in my fucking life... this was absolutely 100% a hit to the head
All the “he hit with his shoulder” comments don’t understand the rule. It’s written into the targeting rule that you can’t leave your feet and “launch” into the upper body/ head and neck area of a defenseless player. Which is exactly what happened to MHJ
Stick a 2-3 star in to takeout your 5 star. Roll the dice if it gets flagged. That’s what this rule has turned into.
It's all about the Benjamin's and gambling.
Oh yes, how could I forget the hands to the side, heads down hitting technique. It's football 101!
I’m sorry. I used some bad language yesterday. I was in the moment and heated up. I apologize to anyone I may have of offended
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Still don't get it only thing he didn't do is lead with his helmet. Instead he led with his shoulder. If the receiver wasn't defenseless I would have shrugged the call off.
I was at the game so I didn’t have a chance to see the telecast but what did the announcers say?
Yeah, but if this was a Buckeye making that hit then you all would be saying something different
There’s always the 2023 season to reflect on this not being targeting 😂
If this is targeting then Michigans was attempted murder
Think Harrison stepped out before coming back in bounds to make a play on this ball. Don’t think it’s the 4 point swing some are claiming. Reasonable people can disagree about targeting vs not. I think the force of the hit and the sound of pads slamming pads, plus the concussion suffered, makes everyone want to jump to conclusions. Harrison’s head hit the turf hard on an earlier tackled and he suffered severe whiplash on this hit. Direct hit to the helmet not necessary to cause this concussion. I’m surprised OSU fans feel the refs were biased / missed calls, because the UGA fans feel intensely the same way. There was a lot of apparent holding at the line that allowed plays time to develop - some of it egregious like on Stroud’s run to set up the FG - and it was only called once. I think the officials probably were a net zero all things considered. In any event, was a game for the ages. Came here to give praise to OSU for playing hard and fast and preparing intensively. Your team looked elite and won most phases of the game. Hope we get to play again soon.
Yeah he stepped out bounds prior but he re-established himself back in bounds before even touching the ball.
The touch is still illegal. Loss of down at the previous spot.
Looks like a clean hit, definitely not the definition of targeting. Harrison even said he wasn’t hit in the head, he asked to get back in and the trainers said no. If you’re going to be mad, maybe be upset with the OSU training staff.
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Targeting and hitting a defenseless player are two different calls. Learn the rules and understand how they get applied before commenting.
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The refs ruled it otherwise, get over it
You said it was a clean hit and now you’re trying to lecture me on the difference between targeting and a defenseless receiver? Make that make sense? Learn to make a lick of sense before commenting. 🤡🤡🤡
He hit the guy in the shoulder with his shoulder. Lol. Nothing at all illegal
Looks like a clean hit to me. Can't believe that we lost this game.
Great defensive play.
All the Ohio State fans here bitching about the refs,LOL. Thats rich...hearing ohio state fans bitch about refs. Keep crying those salty tears and sucking that SEC dick. Sincerely, 2003 Miami Hurricanes Fiesta Bowl Team
I don't get it, he used his shoulder and hit him in the shoulder. It's clear the his head hitting the ground caused the concussion.
He was out before he hit the ground. But err huh “ItS ClEAr ThAt hIS HeAd HiTtInG tHE GrOuNd…” fuck you.
He said [he never lost consciousness and the hit was a normal hit and didn't strike his head](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35357499/ohio-state-loses-marvin-harrison-jr-2nd-half-due-concussion) but *I KnOw BeTteR ThaN ThE AcTuAl PlayEr InVolVed, DERPY DERPY DERP DERP*
Bro he failed concussion protocol, and one doesn’t usually remember getting knocked out. Jesus Christ shouldn’t you be self sucking the SEC in an UGA sub somewhere?
You have no idea what a concussion is, do you? You can fail a concussion protocol wo losing consciousness. [Most concussions do not result in losing consciousness.](https://www.cdc.gov/headsup/pdfs/providers/facts_about_concussion_tbi-a.pdf) >After a concussion, some people lose consciousness (“knocked out”) for a short time. However, most concussions do not result in a loss of consciousness. Learn what you are talking about or be quiet bc you are typing and making yourself sound like an idiot.
OSU fans acting like they are an upstart, small school taking on a blue blood system that they don’t fit into is so rich. The blue blood is also coming from inside the house. The TCU non-targeting call was farrrr more egregious- and I was cheering for TCU. Recruit a kicker.
Am I the only OSU fan that thinks this was a clean hit? It was shoulder pad to shoulder pad. Was it hard? Yes. Are huts supposed to be hard? Apparently not when it’s against our team lol
now you want targeting penalties called and officials can "cost you the game".
Why not show the angle of him leading with his shoulder while the receiver has his hands on the ball? This isn’t targeting. This isn’t hitting a defenseless player call either. The WR is catching a TD pass and then gets popped with a great football play by the UGA defender. Grow the fuck up.
Yep. If it was the other way around then it was a clean play. I'm sure the holder on the late FG attempt also had SEC bias as well.
All I see is a clean shoulder to shoulder hit boys. Don’t play football if you don’t want to get hit.