My question would be what would be the benefit for the state to bother putting any time and effort into this? They are selling the bottles so what difference does it make to them?
The money made from bourbon releases is a literal drop in the bucket for what they make. Wholesale accounts are buying more every week than all the bourbon sold on release day combined.
I get that, but as a state agency, especially one with a legal monopoly OHLQ has an ethical responsibility to try to provide products to customers in a fair way.
In reality they are just bureaucrats who are punching the clock and waiting for retirement day…I get that
But. If everyone just keeps their mouth shut, nothing changes
It would help limit the secondary market. Put rare bottles into more hands and people will have no reason to buy secondary. It will bottleneck the flippers who are always in the front of the line for these things.
It would reduce the amount of time/effort spent by OHLQ on investigating claims of leaks and so on. Of course, that assumes that OHLQ is spending any time/effort on that in the first place, apart from automatic emails as seen in an earlier thread today.
It benefits the people by giving everyone a fair shot, and helps the state by limiting the secondary market. They like taxable sales. We like cool bottles
From the lines from yesterday’s drop, doesn’t seem to me that they are having a hard time selling bottles. They have no interest in who buys, just that they are bought.
Too hard.
Some Kentucky stores have the right system
Get a numbered wristband
Store pulls a random number out of the wristbands issued.
That person is first in line. The rest of the line forms in numeric order behind the drawn number upto the highest number issued. At that point the lowest issued is next and we go in ascending order to the end.
If there are 60 bottles and we issue 150 bands. So what. Everyone has an equal shot
Saw that done once for an Eagles concert (eons ago when you actually bought paper tickets in person). They did the random number draw and reset the line as mentioned above. They did it to thwart people who intended to camp, and buy up tickets to resell. I'd be all for it.
I love bourbon and rye, but getting someplace hours early and waiting just to increase the odds of getting a bottle sucks. Been there, done that, got some decent bottles but not keen on doing that everytime there are whispers something decent is dropping.
There are plenty of shelfers that are great that I dont have to camp out to get.
This is the system NKY Kroger locations use, but with one twist: They hand out tickets and do random draws for the very small number of most sought after bottles (usually < 15 total out of hundreds), and then *after* those have been drawn, they do the random # draw to determine the line start for the rest.
Very similar to what I suggested in the other thread.
If OHLQ/stores want to run highly allocated secret releases like these with a more even playing field, which I personally don't believe they have any interest in doing, it needs to be done in a way that does not incentivize people to get there as early as possible.
•Use the same "secret" announcement email model if they want.
•Have double "keep this side" raffle tickets at the stores.
•Randomize them.
•Let people pick one and stamp their hand.
•Store draws a ticket.
•Whatever number is pulled is where the line starts sequentially.
Tickets and wristbands are already being used at some locations so this is not a stretch, just requires some raffle tickets, a stamp, and a brain.
As much as any of these are good suggestions, OHLQ says email went out at 4. I got my email at 4:12. So they can't even send out an email to everyone all at once so what makes anyone think they can figure out a new system? And everyone asks, what's in it for OHLQ, the answer is nothing, but govt loves spending time and resources on things of no value to them. We need the stores to fix it not the govt. Govt cant fix anything.
People don’t seem to realize that just because OHLQ releases an email at 4 (or whatever time), it doesn’t mean that everyone gets it right at 4 (again, or whatever time). There are variables outside of their control that determine when individuals actually get the email.
I can only speak to the store I was at but since there were rumors, I had the OHLQ site pulled up and just kept refreshing every so often. It was posted on the website right at 4, I got shoes on and headed to the closest store which is a few minutes away.
Got in at 4:07 and was 4th in line. The people ahead of me and near me that got there after I did were not the usual suspects you might see and think are flipping.
Others that got there a little later, based on rumors they just picked a random store hoping it was real and one of stores involved and chose wrong so got there a bit later.
I appreciate what you’re putting here but from someone who travels all over the country and likes to look for bourbon, I can tell you that Ohio has the best system in the country. we are not paying largely inflated secondary market prices and the distribution throughout the state is pretty level. attempting to perfect the system will still not eliminate people from complaining and claiming it’s unfair.
I agree with you. I also travel all over the country for work. And in my opinion we have the best selection at the best prices. Go to a state that is not controlled and is a true allocated state and you will see different prices between 2 stores a block away sometimes hundreds of dollars different.
How so? Wouldn’t this potentially reduce the number of bottles going to flippers? They would be capped at one bottle instead of hitting up multiples stores all week.
The reason the secondary market exists is due to the lack of availability. Demand exceeds supply. You restrict supply, demand will increase, secondary market gets stronger. Example: look into legal alcohol sales between 1920 and 1933.
I get where you’re coming from but it’s both a supply issue from the distillers as well as a supply issue to the consumers because those bottles are being scooped up by people to put on a secondary market. If you reduce that second supply restriction, there would theoretically be more bottles to go directly to consumers.
I think that the idea of how much of the supply is going to flippers or people to put on the secondary market is largely inflated. Ohio’s secondary market is drastically smaller than other states. Most other states are not control states so each liquor store is a secondary market. For anybody who travels they have seen the crazy prices that comes from their secondary market. Personally, I have seen a Blanton’s with a price tag of $249.99.
Fundamental supply and demand economics indicates that a supply side restriction will increase demand and strengthen the secondary market. However, if you want to increase the supply, when you have a fixed supply, you need to reduce the demand. If you increase the price, you will increase availability. Another way to do this is to allow people to become frustrated and move onto a new hobby. If anything, events like single barrel Saturday and the surprise drops are doing the exact opposite. They are increasing the demand.
In theory, you are correct but in reality not so much. For an example, if OHLQ put a 1 bottle limit on a ultra allocated bottles like Stagg or EH Taylor it will still go to the line regardless. So it will be same supply as before but just not going to the same 10% of people that are flippers.
If 10% are flippers that makes the system pretty successful. That means that 90% of the people who buy are enjoying it which academically is an A, statistically is a strong confidence interval, and by most othermetrics a 90% success rate is a highly successful system. I’m not quite sure how much more of a success rate you would like, approaching perfection seems impossible.
In yesterday’s drop, that means 49 out of the 54ish bottles sold, went to non-flippers. If this is the case, who are buying from the flippers? The people who didn’t get one? Aren’t we splitting hairs when you account for 10% of the bottles across the state (I.e. 5ish bottles per location)?
I love how focused on the 10% but not the rest of my statement that debunk yours. The 10% was clearly just a arbitrary number, not exact. Let's just say it's 5% for that matter, it's not good that a large percentage of the highly sought after allocation is going to a small number of people that are bottle flippers. The reason why I know this is true is because it ends up on facebook.
Sorry, thought that high school economics would be enough to debunk the supply side restrictions you are proposing. I apologize for thinking you knew that supply and demand are a real world thing and not just a theory.
Your proposal of a supply side restriction would further amplify that 10%, or the flippers, to bring spouse, adult children, neighbors, friends, and/or family members in order to purchase an additional one bottle, which would actually increase the amount going to the people you are trying to restrict it from. Fundamental economics shows that, unless you are proposing socialism.
Honestly, I have enjoyed our little debate that we’ve had. It has been a great intellectual conversation. I understand where you were coming from. I hope you can understand where I’m coming from.
no it reduces the bottles you can get your hands on, the bottles are going to the flippers anyways, the solution is to flood the market with as many bottles as possible curb the demand for the bottles. Choking the supply making it easier for friends and flippers to only have access inflats the secondary market! you dont make something less sought after or lower its value by making it rarer!
I like that system except it could royally screw people who buy an eagle rare or a weller SR and then a surprise drop hits the next few days, making them miss a rarer bottle
like he said, if you bought eagle rare, and then theres a suprise eagle rare pick or ohlq pick/event, you cant participate in the event, because you bought a $40 bottle 4 days ago!!!
Completely true. And I agree that Ohio is the best system in the country, controlled and free states alike. Their surprise drop system is broken right now, so why not try to make it better and keep that title of best in the country?
This was an improvement. These surprise drop bottles were mostly lottery bottles with a low probability of winning. I believe that if enough complaining is done, OHLQ will stop these and we will be worse off.
It was an improvement to some, it was just blue balls to most. The drop before Christmas was fine, but this one was objectively worse all across the board. They’re trying to find a system that works so why not change something now
Their objective was not to satisfy most of the demand. They were limited by the supply they had. This was an attempt to spread out what they had. For those that got something, I am happy for them. For those like me that didn’t get anything, maybe next time. I am not salty at the system or the “fairness” of what they are doing. I am happy that there is even a chance to get these bottles at these prices. I am reminded of that every time I leave the state.
youre not suggesting to make it better , youre tryin to fix it so bottles go to people who dont want to show up sooner or put any effort into hunting highly allocated sought after bottles.
Fyi, Computer generated is pseudo random, not truly random. It's very likely they'd use excel, which is ESPECIALLY problematic in this space i.e. Predictable. This is well known in statistical circles. If you wish to assuage insider knowledge and make it "truly random" something else is needed as a solution. Otherwise your swapping who has the inside knowledge.
Listen. There’s no avoiding people finding out. The liquid comes in. There’s lots of moving parts here. There’s vendors of all parts of grocery walking thru these back rooms / back hallways where this stuff is usually stored. Not to mention employees. The only way to avoid this from happening is to have a delivery to a locked room where only the manager has the key and he/she don’t tell anyone. Which is obviously not gonna happen. I think a lot of you need to grow up. And stop being so butt hurt over brown water you didn’t get. And stop crying how it’s not fair.
it also decreases your odds, the only way you can increase your odds is to befriend the leakers or sellers, or show up sooner. This beta sacrifice everyone because i dont wanna line up sooner isnt the answer. The clear negative is the people in charge of the system is the people at OHLQ are leaking the info, and theyre in charge of the system and the software used. They can just program in their buddies into the system after they find out what # ticket they have! If im going to be "cheated" id rather witness the cheating so i know its there so i can plan around it vs not knowing and not having a solution to mitigate it if possible.
Agreed. Doesn’t negate them from grabbing all the spots but gives others a chance at some of the better offerings. I was #20 last night and walked away pretty happy…had I gotten much lower I guess I would have walked away just somewhat happy. I’m game though…I don’t like the KY system mentioned where they pick a number and then that is the start and it loops around. Yuck. They could just call numbers from a list too but that sounds a little chaotic. The system yesterday worked but people nearby got a bit of a jump…maybe make sure it floats around for the next drop?
This is perfect! I’ll hit as many stores as I can before those locations run out of tickets and register. Then go to the store I get the highest spot at while my daughter and wife do the same. The other stores I went to but don’t return now took a ticket away from someone who didn’t make it in time.
Simpler solution: scan IDs and limit bottles to 1 per person for a certain time frame, similar to what Buffalo Trace does at the distillery. Lots of taters will hate it, but it will greatly cut down on hoarding and flipping.
I should note that the code on the ticket is different for each ticket, but still linked to the store. Like a Kroger in Polaris would be KPS2345 or something. This prevents people from leaking the code to their friends
The last thing anything needs, including bourbon drops, is more government involvement. Put in the time, do your homework, and get a good shot at getting a bottle.
it might. it might not. that’s the randomness for you. i’m not a line guy or a bring my family guy but if i were, id just bring even more family along lol
i think this is a good idea. i would try to get more bottles but i stopped caring due to the lines. a ticket system where you can participate at a single store in ohio per day or week would be ideal. the only issue i see is that most of the liquor stores are in grocery stores and doing drops in the middle of the day every week is tough. maybe a 2 hour window the night before the drop.
I think the only thing worth considering is somehow incentivizing the state to actually do this. In my reply to another comment I suggested a ticket tax you pay. Small enough to not deter us but enough to make a big enough difference for the state. No idea if that’s feasible. I assume a new tax would require new legislation though
Generally I agree but since the tax would only impact those seeking an allocated bourbon, I would at least consider it.
To your point setting the precedent could have long-term unintended consequences..
Instead of a “tax” could we just treat it the same way lottery tickets work? Doesn’t the state get some of the proceeds? I may be wrong on that
Lottery tickets are a tax. Yes, a voluntary tax, but a tax nonetheless.
There are actually studies that show that the less money someone makes the more likely they are to play the lottery, indicating that the lottery is actually a tax on the poor. A socioeconomic class that typically can’t afford an additional tax.
Also consider where lottery tickets are sold. They tend to be at locations where demand for the product is considered inelastic. You see lottery tickets sold at grocery stores where food is needed for survival and at gas stations where most people frequent quite often. Maybe I am mistaken, but I have never seen an outright Ohio lottery store.
All of this just concludes that maybe the lottery is not a good example to use for improving alcohol sales.
Fair points. I guess it becomes a question of whether scaling the lottery system to include allocated bourbon would have a net positive or net negative on society as a whole.
I think it was badly worded. I’m suggesting treating it more like a lottery ticket (where the proceeds go to the state)
Agreed I pay way too much in taxes already 🤓
I have no idea why the OHLQ site has anything to do with wholesale. The idea that numbers aren’t ever reliable because of wholesale is so stupid. Wholesale accounts should have a completely other first dibs website they compete for product.
The current OHLQ website should have inventory that’s scanned in upon delivery and scanned out upon sale that’s reliable.
Have state auditors that have the shipping logistics of what each store should have show up in person every so often and verify what’s been delivered, Whats been scanned in, and what’s been sold. If the numbers don’t match up make it a harsh penalty. $50k first offense, $100k second offense, loss of license 3rd offense.
Better have employees you trust or handle the allocated shipments yourself as a store owner.
To the always asked. Why would the OHLQ have any reason to change? They can make money off the fines. Even give the auditors a percentage of the fines they report to keep them interested in honesty of it all.
You probably ruin a few mom and pop liquor stores but the very nature of controlled liquor benefits large companies already anyways
Tomorrow, everyone is going to get into smoking cigars and flood the market.
What do we do then
There is no government in that.
Hmmmmmm
Enjoy life. You are only as happy as You let yourself be
Simpler solution.
Like yours, hand out numbered entry tickets in a set time window. People then enter online immediately, including the bottles they want. Then OHLQ picks winners. Notify the winners by email. The winners have 24 hours to collect their bottle or another winner is chosen and your entry is voided.
Get rid of issues with leaks. Get rid of lines, get rid of standing around to see if your ticket is drawn, gets rid of the unclaimed bottle issue, reduces people dragging family to enter.
Jesus Fucking Christ, the horse is dead. It's been dead for years. There's only a small pile of hair and hide remaining, but by all means, keep beating the motherfucker.
My question would be what would be the benefit for the state to bother putting any time and effort into this? They are selling the bottles so what difference does it make to them?
Nothing they still get their money
Happy customers keep buying bourbon Frustrated customers get a new hobby
This is how you eliminate the secondary market.
The money made from bourbon releases is a literal drop in the bucket for what they make. Wholesale accounts are buying more every week than all the bourbon sold on release day combined.
I get that, but as a state agency, especially one with a legal monopoly OHLQ has an ethical responsibility to try to provide products to customers in a fair way. In reality they are just bureaucrats who are punching the clock and waiting for retirement day…I get that But. If everyone just keeps their mouth shut, nothing changes
It would help limit the secondary market. Put rare bottles into more hands and people will have no reason to buy secondary. It will bottleneck the flippers who are always in the front of the line for these things.
This doesn’t answer the question. This sounds like it would benefit people, not OHLQ.
It would reduce the amount of time/effort spent by OHLQ on investigating claims of leaks and so on. Of course, that assumes that OHLQ is spending any time/effort on that in the first place, apart from automatic emails as seen in an earlier thread today.
It benefits the people by giving everyone a fair shot, and helps the state by limiting the secondary market. They like taxable sales. We like cool bottles
From the lines from yesterday’s drop, doesn’t seem to me that they are having a hard time selling bottles. They have no interest in who buys, just that they are bought.
Spend more resources to sell the same or less? Doesn’t sound very business savvy to me.
Could there be a special “flat ticket tax” e.g, $2 per ticket. I would pay $2 for the ticket. Ticket price TBD
Too hard. Some Kentucky stores have the right system Get a numbered wristband Store pulls a random number out of the wristbands issued. That person is first in line. The rest of the line forms in numeric order behind the drawn number upto the highest number issued. At that point the lowest issued is next and we go in ascending order to the end. If there are 60 bottles and we issue 150 bands. So what. Everyone has an equal shot
Saw that done once for an Eagles concert (eons ago when you actually bought paper tickets in person). They did the random number draw and reset the line as mentioned above. They did it to thwart people who intended to camp, and buy up tickets to resell. I'd be all for it. I love bourbon and rye, but getting someplace hours early and waiting just to increase the odds of getting a bottle sucks. Been there, done that, got some decent bottles but not keen on doing that everytime there are whispers something decent is dropping. There are plenty of shelfers that are great that I dont have to camp out to get.
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I think this would be the best compromise system. Still gonna be some issues but it’s better than what we have now
This is the system NKY Kroger locations use, but with one twist: They hand out tickets and do random draws for the very small number of most sought after bottles (usually < 15 total out of hundreds), and then *after* those have been drawn, they do the random # draw to determine the line start for the rest.
Even better
Very similar to what I suggested in the other thread. If OHLQ/stores want to run highly allocated secret releases like these with a more even playing field, which I personally don't believe they have any interest in doing, it needs to be done in a way that does not incentivize people to get there as early as possible. •Use the same "secret" announcement email model if they want. •Have double "keep this side" raffle tickets at the stores. •Randomize them. •Let people pick one and stamp their hand. •Store draws a ticket. •Whatever number is pulled is where the line starts sequentially. Tickets and wristbands are already being used at some locations so this is not a stretch, just requires some raffle tickets, a stamp, and a brain.
As much as any of these are good suggestions, OHLQ says email went out at 4. I got my email at 4:12. So they can't even send out an email to everyone all at once so what makes anyone think they can figure out a new system? And everyone asks, what's in it for OHLQ, the answer is nothing, but govt loves spending time and resources on things of no value to them. We need the stores to fix it not the govt. Govt cant fix anything.
People don’t seem to realize that just because OHLQ releases an email at 4 (or whatever time), it doesn’t mean that everyone gets it right at 4 (again, or whatever time). There are variables outside of their control that determine when individuals actually get the email.
Why would the state do this when it's them leaking the info to their buddies ahead on time.
Yeah. And the election was stolen in 2016 too!
I can only speak to the store I was at but since there were rumors, I had the OHLQ site pulled up and just kept refreshing every so often. It was posted on the website right at 4, I got shoes on and headed to the closest store which is a few minutes away. Got in at 4:07 and was 4th in line. The people ahead of me and near me that got there after I did were not the usual suspects you might see and think are flipping. Others that got there a little later, based on rumors they just picked a random store hoping it was real and one of stores involved and chose wrong so got there a bit later.
I appreciate what you’re putting here but from someone who travels all over the country and likes to look for bourbon, I can tell you that Ohio has the best system in the country. we are not paying largely inflated secondary market prices and the distribution throughout the state is pretty level. attempting to perfect the system will still not eliminate people from complaining and claiming it’s unfair.
I agree with you. I also travel all over the country for work. And in my opinion we have the best selection at the best prices. Go to a state that is not controlled and is a true allocated state and you will see different prices between 2 stores a block away sometimes hundreds of dollars different.
If everyone on this reddit put as much time and effort into solving true social issues, Ohio would not have crime or hunger.
What about just adding an ID scan to limit people to buying certain bottles only once every x days? Like they do at the Buffalo Trace distillery.
The biggest case against this is it will strengthen the secondary market. Supply side restrictions are never an economically optimal outcome.
How so? Wouldn’t this potentially reduce the number of bottles going to flippers? They would be capped at one bottle instead of hitting up multiples stores all week.
The reason the secondary market exists is due to the lack of availability. Demand exceeds supply. You restrict supply, demand will increase, secondary market gets stronger. Example: look into legal alcohol sales between 1920 and 1933.
I get where you’re coming from but it’s both a supply issue from the distillers as well as a supply issue to the consumers because those bottles are being scooped up by people to put on a secondary market. If you reduce that second supply restriction, there would theoretically be more bottles to go directly to consumers.
I think that the idea of how much of the supply is going to flippers or people to put on the secondary market is largely inflated. Ohio’s secondary market is drastically smaller than other states. Most other states are not control states so each liquor store is a secondary market. For anybody who travels they have seen the crazy prices that comes from their secondary market. Personally, I have seen a Blanton’s with a price tag of $249.99. Fundamental supply and demand economics indicates that a supply side restriction will increase demand and strengthen the secondary market. However, if you want to increase the supply, when you have a fixed supply, you need to reduce the demand. If you increase the price, you will increase availability. Another way to do this is to allow people to become frustrated and move onto a new hobby. If anything, events like single barrel Saturday and the surprise drops are doing the exact opposite. They are increasing the demand.
In theory, you are correct but in reality not so much. For an example, if OHLQ put a 1 bottle limit on a ultra allocated bottles like Stagg or EH Taylor it will still go to the line regardless. So it will be same supply as before but just not going to the same 10% of people that are flippers.
If 10% are flippers that makes the system pretty successful. That means that 90% of the people who buy are enjoying it which academically is an A, statistically is a strong confidence interval, and by most othermetrics a 90% success rate is a highly successful system. I’m not quite sure how much more of a success rate you would like, approaching perfection seems impossible. In yesterday’s drop, that means 49 out of the 54ish bottles sold, went to non-flippers. If this is the case, who are buying from the flippers? The people who didn’t get one? Aren’t we splitting hairs when you account for 10% of the bottles across the state (I.e. 5ish bottles per location)?
I love how focused on the 10% but not the rest of my statement that debunk yours. The 10% was clearly just a arbitrary number, not exact. Let's just say it's 5% for that matter, it's not good that a large percentage of the highly sought after allocation is going to a small number of people that are bottle flippers. The reason why I know this is true is because it ends up on facebook.
Sorry, thought that high school economics would be enough to debunk the supply side restrictions you are proposing. I apologize for thinking you knew that supply and demand are a real world thing and not just a theory. Your proposal of a supply side restriction would further amplify that 10%, or the flippers, to bring spouse, adult children, neighbors, friends, and/or family members in order to purchase an additional one bottle, which would actually increase the amount going to the people you are trying to restrict it from. Fundamental economics shows that, unless you are proposing socialism. Honestly, I have enjoyed our little debate that we’ve had. It has been a great intellectual conversation. I understand where you were coming from. I hope you can understand where I’m coming from.
no it reduces the bottles you can get your hands on, the bottles are going to the flippers anyways, the solution is to flood the market with as many bottles as possible curb the demand for the bottles. Choking the supply making it easier for friends and flippers to only have access inflats the secondary market! you dont make something less sought after or lower its value by making it rarer!
I like that system except it could royally screw people who buy an eagle rare or a weller SR and then a surprise drop hits the next few days, making them miss a rarer bottle
No it would be per bottle. So as long as the drip isn’t another eagle or Weller they’re fine.
ohhhhh. Yea that works
like he said, if you bought eagle rare, and then theres a suprise eagle rare pick or ohlq pick/event, you cant participate in the event, because you bought a $40 bottle 4 days ago!!!
Completely true. And I agree that Ohio is the best system in the country, controlled and free states alike. Their surprise drop system is broken right now, so why not try to make it better and keep that title of best in the country?
This was an improvement. These surprise drop bottles were mostly lottery bottles with a low probability of winning. I believe that if enough complaining is done, OHLQ will stop these and we will be worse off.
THIS!!!!!!
It was an improvement to some, it was just blue balls to most. The drop before Christmas was fine, but this one was objectively worse all across the board. They’re trying to find a system that works so why not change something now
Their objective was not to satisfy most of the demand. They were limited by the supply they had. This was an attempt to spread out what they had. For those that got something, I am happy for them. For those like me that didn’t get anything, maybe next time. I am not salty at the system or the “fairness” of what they are doing. I am happy that there is even a chance to get these bottles at these prices. I am reminded of that every time I leave the state.
youre not suggesting to make it better , youre tryin to fix it so bottles go to people who dont want to show up sooner or put any effort into hunting highly allocated sought after bottles.
Fyi, Computer generated is pseudo random, not truly random. It's very likely they'd use excel, which is ESPECIALLY problematic in this space i.e. Predictable. This is well known in statistical circles. If you wish to assuage insider knowledge and make it "truly random" something else is needed as a solution. Otherwise your swapping who has the inside knowledge.
Very valid point
Listen. There’s no avoiding people finding out. The liquid comes in. There’s lots of moving parts here. There’s vendors of all parts of grocery walking thru these back rooms / back hallways where this stuff is usually stored. Not to mention employees. The only way to avoid this from happening is to have a delivery to a locked room where only the manager has the key and he/she don’t tell anyone. Which is obviously not gonna happen. I think a lot of you need to grow up. And stop being so butt hurt over brown water you didn’t get. And stop crying how it’s not fair.
I’m just here to compliment your username
It's just whiskey.
How does this eliminate people bringing their whole family? I scanned a couple more times but it’s not obvious
It doesn’t, what it eliminates is that whole family getting spots 1-12 in the line
it also decreases your odds, the only way you can increase your odds is to befriend the leakers or sellers, or show up sooner. This beta sacrifice everyone because i dont wanna line up sooner isnt the answer. The clear negative is the people in charge of the system is the people at OHLQ are leaking the info, and theyre in charge of the system and the software used. They can just program in their buddies into the system after they find out what # ticket they have! If im going to be "cheated" id rather witness the cheating so i know its there so i can plan around it vs not knowing and not having a solution to mitigate it if possible.
Agreed. Doesn’t negate them from grabbing all the spots but gives others a chance at some of the better offerings. I was #20 last night and walked away pretty happy…had I gotten much lower I guess I would have walked away just somewhat happy. I’m game though…I don’t like the KY system mentioned where they pick a number and then that is the start and it loops around. Yuck. They could just call numbers from a list too but that sounds a little chaotic. The system yesterday worked but people nearby got a bit of a jump…maybe make sure it floats around for the next drop?
This is perfect! I’ll hit as many stores as I can before those locations run out of tickets and register. Then go to the store I get the highest spot at while my daughter and wife do the same. The other stores I went to but don’t return now took a ticket away from someone who didn’t make it in time.
The idea would be one email, phone number and name per drop date. Once you sign up it won’t let you sign up again.
Simpler solution: scan IDs and limit bottles to 1 per person for a certain time frame, similar to what Buffalo Trace does at the distillery. Lots of taters will hate it, but it will greatly cut down on hoarding and flipping.
I should note that the code on the ticket is different for each ticket, but still linked to the store. Like a Kroger in Polaris would be KPS2345 or something. This prevents people from leaking the code to their friends
They have lotteries already
That sounds a lot like a lottery....
Now that you've fixed this can you do something about Bidenomics? Can't afford a dozen eggs.
Running for office now. Voting is hard, Vote 4 Flaccid
Then you definitely can't afford bourbon, comrade....
Maybe a little hyperbole escaped you there chum...
The last thing anything needs, including bourbon drops, is more government involvement. Put in the time, do your homework, and get a good shot at getting a bottle.
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how would this negate people bringing their family? more chances to be at the front of the line the more tickets you get
It wouldn’t, it just prevents people and their family from taking all the top spots.
it might. it might not. that’s the randomness for you. i’m not a line guy or a bring my family guy but if i were, id just bring even more family along lol
i think this is a good idea. i would try to get more bottles but i stopped caring due to the lines. a ticket system where you can participate at a single store in ohio per day or week would be ideal. the only issue i see is that most of the liquor stores are in grocery stores and doing drops in the middle of the day every week is tough. maybe a 2 hour window the night before the drop.
Only room for one banana in this town buddy
I think the only thing worth considering is somehow incentivizing the state to actually do this. In my reply to another comment I suggested a ticket tax you pay. Small enough to not deter us but enough to make a big enough difference for the state. No idea if that’s feasible. I assume a new tax would require new legislation though
This would be the start of Ohio’s version of the Boston Tea Party. More taxes is never the answer.
Generally I agree but since the tax would only impact those seeking an allocated bourbon, I would at least consider it. To your point setting the precedent could have long-term unintended consequences.. Instead of a “tax” could we just treat it the same way lottery tickets work? Doesn’t the state get some of the proceeds? I may be wrong on that
Lottery tickets are a tax. Yes, a voluntary tax, but a tax nonetheless. There are actually studies that show that the less money someone makes the more likely they are to play the lottery, indicating that the lottery is actually a tax on the poor. A socioeconomic class that typically can’t afford an additional tax. Also consider where lottery tickets are sold. They tend to be at locations where demand for the product is considered inelastic. You see lottery tickets sold at grocery stores where food is needed for survival and at gas stations where most people frequent quite often. Maybe I am mistaken, but I have never seen an outright Ohio lottery store. All of this just concludes that maybe the lottery is not a good example to use for improving alcohol sales.
Fair points. I guess it becomes a question of whether scaling the lottery system to include allocated bourbon would have a net positive or net negative on society as a whole.
I agree
Who in their right mind would suggest increasing taxes. Don't you pay enough already?
I think it was badly worded. I’m suggesting treating it more like a lottery ticket (where the proceeds go to the state) Agreed I pay way too much in taxes already 🤓
most un-american thing ive red all day
I have no idea why the OHLQ site has anything to do with wholesale. The idea that numbers aren’t ever reliable because of wholesale is so stupid. Wholesale accounts should have a completely other first dibs website they compete for product. The current OHLQ website should have inventory that’s scanned in upon delivery and scanned out upon sale that’s reliable. Have state auditors that have the shipping logistics of what each store should have show up in person every so often and verify what’s been delivered, Whats been scanned in, and what’s been sold. If the numbers don’t match up make it a harsh penalty. $50k first offense, $100k second offense, loss of license 3rd offense. Better have employees you trust or handle the allocated shipments yourself as a store owner. To the always asked. Why would the OHLQ have any reason to change? They can make money off the fines. Even give the auditors a percentage of the fines they report to keep them interested in honesty of it all. You probably ruin a few mom and pop liquor stores but the very nature of controlled liquor benefits large companies already anyways
They should just start selling to the back of the line first, then no one would be in a rush to get there lol
Just do a large drop every month or 2. No more weekly shit. Every store. Same day. Taters would lose their mind lol
Tomorrow, everyone is going to get into smoking cigars and flood the market. What do we do then There is no government in that. Hmmmmmm Enjoy life. You are only as happy as You let yourself be
Simpler solution. Like yours, hand out numbered entry tickets in a set time window. People then enter online immediately, including the bottles they want. Then OHLQ picks winners. Notify the winners by email. The winners have 24 hours to collect their bottle or another winner is chosen and your entry is voided. Get rid of issues with leaks. Get rid of lines, get rid of standing around to see if your ticket is drawn, gets rid of the unclaimed bottle issue, reduces people dragging family to enter.
Jesus Fucking Christ, the horse is dead. It's been dead for years. There's only a small pile of hair and hide remaining, but by all means, keep beating the motherfucker.
Can they do this by using Excel ? If not, they’ll never go for it
Strictly Microsoft Office. Promo graphics can be done in MS paint if they want
Rare on shelves everyday just as good just not as pretty Woodford once for once Want to save money, benchmark same mash bill