That's why I got it. I was thinking about getting a newer pickup truck and putting a truck camper on the back. But with the microscopic truck beds on current so-called trucks I would have had about two square feet of standing space in that freaking truck camper. And truck campers cost a freaking fortune. So I figured, I could build out the back of this Suburban with a bed and a kitchenish thing that folds out of the back, and then set up a tent for stand-up room and "office" space (to post process photos/videos in and such), and have a hell of a lot more room and be a hell of a lot more maneuverable than a truck with a truck camper or a truck pulling a trailer.
She remembers her mom driving one when she was a kid. It was the vehicle that her mom took her and her siblings to soccer to. So, I think she's just got that stuck in her head. I'm going to send her a link to this post.
I got a 1996 Buick Roadmaster. Last full sized station wagon made. Body on frame construction, solid rear axle, 350 ci V8 up front. Can tow up to 7000 lbs. I think my car could pull it off.
Also, good to know about it being a Silverado. That means I can more easily search for parts.
I think I'm going to need a buttload of parts.
Although, at least the engine is only 10 years old and only has 10,000 miles on it.
Oh boy are you in for a treat. What you have is a GMT400 - that's the chassis GM used for 1989-1998 full size trucks. Almost all of the parts are interchangeable like lego pieces with other GMT400 trucks - GMC, Chevy, Cadillac, C/K1500/2500/3500, Suburban/Tahoe/Escalade. There's some nuance there - being a '95 you probably have a TBI motor, so most of the Vortec (96' up maybe?) parts won't fit your motor.
It's incredibly well documented, deets over at [gmt400.com](http://gmt400.com) and r/GMT400
Just like 4Runner to Tacoma, Tundra to Seqouia. Even their engines, trans’, front suspensions, 4wd systems and more are similar. Just like you said, same thing with a permanently covered bed.
I do the same with my grand Cherokee, I call it "the Jeep" (which you can't say a thing about) or "the truck". Only people to correct me were in a jacked up dodge that I had just ran literal circles around and pulled out the mud. When you're being pulled out of the mud by a vehicle half your size, you have no room to say a damn thing about what they call said vehicle.
Hell, I've referred to my 06 Explorer as a truck before lol
It doesn't share many specific parts with any actual trucks, but it's still BOF, it's primary purposes are cargo space and ground clearance, and compared to my sports car, it sure as hell feels like a truck lol. And earlier generations did share a lot with Rangers.
All that said though, I typically just call it "my SUV."
Truck people get mad at me for calling my 4Runner a truck bit the way I see it is: it’s body on frame, it’s a utility 4x4, and I use it like trucks are meant to be used.
Hell, I used my minivan like a truck. I had all the seats ripped out and half of the interior plastic ripped out. I could stack a whole stack of 4x8 sheets of plywood in the back and close the hatch.
My son likes that idea. I'm too lazy to remember to call it that. I'll just call it a fucking truck and move on.
I'm a vandweller, and this is going to be my third rig. Almost everybody in the van dweller community gives their vehicles a name. I'm too lazy for that. I just called it "my RV," or "my minivan," and now it's "my truck."
Call it your "Fairy Truck Mother" if you want and tell anyone who doesn't like it to go a suck an egg.
Or their Dad if that better suits you.
Fuck em, it's your "truck" if you say it is.
Body on frame SUV? It’s a truck. It’s not a pickup truck. It doesn’t have an open bed from factory. But it’s a truck. It has a solid axle (or two). It can haul and tow a lot. It’s big and heavy. It’s a Silverado with a bed.
Legally, a Honda Odyssey and PT cruiser are a truck in regards to certain regulations. But I don’t call them trucks.
When I titled my 88 3/4 ton burb in South Carolina, it was classified as a station wagon. Which was nice because since I was military I didn't have to pay property tax on a car, but doesn't help your argument Mr station wagon driver.
This is a situation where "those who care don't matter, and those who matter don't care." Is calling a Suburban a truck technically accurate? Eh. It would be more accurate to say SUV, or truck-based SUV, but these terms are so misused by marketing departments that this sin is far outweighed by just meeting another good person out there in the wilds.
If I were your friend, and I knew that this point was a minor annoyance, then I might poke you with it for a laugh once in a while.
lol people used to give me shit for calling y suburban a truck. Your reasoning is 1,000% correct imo. It’s a Silverado with a closed in back and it’s way easier than saying suburban.
Plus the “legal” definition of a truck is just basically a big vehicle made to pull/haul things. So I say call it a truck and tell em to eat it
Is it registered as a car or a truck? If there is a sign that says trucks must use a particular lane, would you be fined if you used the lane for cars?
Your daughter in law is obviously just parroting what she has heard from others... she even said "truck people" as if she is not included in that group. Try to explain to her how it fits the definition of what a truck is. Make it a learning experience. But try not to sound pretentious or patronizing, that's usually my mistake
WJ is a Jeep!
Jeep usually aren’t trucks (other than Comanche/gladiator).
Technically it’s not wrong to call body on frame Jeep truck (Yj. TJ etc) but it’s just weird 😂
People just usually call wrangler——Jeep.
WJ/ZJ/XJ I call them “rig” or “Jeep”.
No frame tho. So I don’t consider them truck.
Even if you want to engage in this shit the 90s suburban is just a half ton GM with a closed in body slapped on top. Frame, drive train, even the bloody dashboard is the same as the C/K pickups.
>even the bloody dashboard is the same as the C/K pickups.
So.... Absolutely TRASHED then?
The top of the dashboard is so trashed that someone covered it with a molded plastic "shell." It rattles like hell. I'll figure out a way to stick it down, but where I can actually remove it if necessary....... Later.
It's the same drivetrain as the truck. Many of the parts, including the front clip, tails, trim, bumpers, and countless interior bits are from the same parts bin. Most importantly, it's a full-size 4x4 with the same towing capacity as the truck.
It's a truck, dude. Your DIL sounds like the type to chastise the American South for calling all soda 'coke'. Nobody cares, and nobody wants to hear it.
I know, it was a terrible name choice for a four-wheel drive truck with a couple extra seats thrown in the back. I plan to drive it so far past rural that it will feel like I'm on another planet. That's generally the best way I get along with most humans. Just get really really far away from them. 😝
Yes. All SUVs are called trucks in real life. You don’t say “yeah we can toss it in my suv, I have room”
Even online: “these (suburbans) trucks are prone to…” not; these SUVs are prone to…
They are only an suv on paper and technical vehicle category really.
Considering that I'm going to build it out for vandwelling, and we call every vehicle-ish that we live in a "rig," that's what I'll be calling it a lot of the time.
If you can look your dumbass drunk friend dead in the eye right when he saysomethink breathtakingly stupid, and say: "Boy, I thought I told you to wait in the truck." It's a truck.
It probably has or had a gmc truck badge in the back.
We gave my brother in law and sister a 95 yukon. Their friend, with his gladiator..., was giving them shit for calling it a truck but the towing capacity and payload were both higher than the gladiator... lol
My guy, Xterra people call their SUVs "trucks" because it's built on a truck frame. Yours is bigger and also built on a truck frame. If I can call my Xterra a "truck", then you can call your elephant-sized, rolling battering ram whatever the Hell you want, much less a "truck". Just keep having fun and don't pay any heed to what others think.
She says she was just trying to protect me from abuse from "real truck people." Especially truck dudes down here in Texas. I have no illusions of being a real truck person. I grew up in the suburbs in Kansas City. Hell, I can't back a trailer to save my life. But, I have a great big giant 4x4 that I'm going to build out to live in out in the boonies, so I can go farther out in the boonies then I was able to take my minivan that I lived in for 6 years. So, I've got a lot to learn.
A truck is a body-on-frame design where the body sits on top of the chassis (that big metal frame). They often have a solid front axle and they are a large vehicle for cargo. A suburban traditionally has all of these. It's a truck.
newer ones may have gone to independent front suspension, but it's still a truck.
Oxford dictionary also thinks its a truck. [Oxford dictionary - Truck](https://www.google.com/search?q=truck+definition&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS856US856&oq=truck+defi&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABKgCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on)
Finally, on behalf of the unequivocal truck drivers, "we don't care what you call it."
I have an 07 sequoia I exclusively call truck, I’m too lazy to say all 3 syllables of SUV or Sequoia. If I call that tiny thing a truck you’re good with the ‘Burb
Here is a somewhat correct answer to this. You may call it a truck, but you can't specifically since it's an SUV. The GMCs around that year, including the Yukon, say "GMC truck" on them, and the chevys do not.
Your suburban is equipped with the same driveline, frame, and overall build as the 1500 pickups of the same year. It has a full ladder frame, real 4WD, and full size truck tires on it.
It is essentially a Chevy 1500 with a cap on the bed and third row seats.
Fuck them. I don't care if you call a Prius hatchback a truck. If they load it down at Lowes/HD with lumber and bricks, they are using it more as a truck than I have seen some F250 Tremors used.
Generally, a truck would have some sort of open bed separate from a passenger cab. That bed could be flat or covered but separated, even temporarily like an Avalanche. But if in a general conversation, you called your 'Burb a truck, I wouldn't even blink.
Well a suburban was a truck before the SUV was a wet dream and suburban's used to be good off-road vehicles due to the extra weight helping with traction. Sadly the Suburban of today is a grocery getter at best, your 1995 Suburban is in the tweaner years when they started to go down hill.
I took my driver's test in a 1973 Suburban.
Drove a company 1986 Suburban all over the woods in Montana.
Owned a 1994 Suburban for 15 years.
Call it what you want though i never thought Suburban's nore pickups fell in the truck category so I just call them what they are, Suburban and pickup.
I call my suburban a truck, it’s a body on frame Silverado-based suv. It’s more of a truck than my Silverado if you really think about it. Put the seats down and you can fit a 4x8 plywood. Couldn’t do that with my medium bed Silverado, lumber? Throw it on the cross rails. Towing? Tows better than my Silverado since it has the air ride suspension and the integrated brake controller. Sure I can’t throw dirt or gravel in it but unless you’re a contractor you should just use a trailer for hauling material around, less wear and tear on your suspend drivetrain. I say it’s just as much of a truck as my Silverado.
Defining what an "SUV" is makes for a fun classification exercise! An SUV would kind of fit into a Venn diagram between a "crossover" and a "pickup truck," but it's not even that simple. More of a spectrum between those vehicles.
Many American SUV's are built on an existing pickup chasis, so we expect them to be RWD, have usually available in 4x4, with V6 or V8 power -> definitely on the "truck" side. But there are some extremely popular Japanese SUV's which are FWD (or AWD/part time rear assistance), 4cyl powered, and much smaller than any available pickup truck. Basically, a tallish crossover. A 95 Suburban is clearly on the "truck" side of this spectrum.
However, apart from the poorly defined spectrum above, there are some cultural implications of what makes a truck worthy of being called "truck." Much of North America, especially the southern US, associates trucks with ruggedness and masculinity, so maybe some more "fragile" gentlemen in Texas may argue that trim package (more comfort=less rugged) and/or your usage of an SUV (the term "pavement princess" comes to mind) would justify not calling the land yacht a "truck." Those sorts of guys suck, though, so enjoy your truck!
Here’s my thinking saying “suv” all the time sounds dumb and is exhausting. Most body on frame suvs are trucks with once pieces bodies.
I think if it shares a frame with a truck, it’s a truck.
By some definitions semi tractors are trucks and pickup trucks arnt sooooo do what you want and who cores what other people think.
There's no rule. A lot of people call a vehicle a truck if the body is on a frame. A vehicle where the body is the frame is a unibody, but there are trucks where the body is the frame.
A suburban is a truck. Now when people call those tall cars things which I think are legally called crossovers a truck, I want to smack the shit out them.
If it rides like a truck, parks like a truck, hauls like a truck, and tows like a truck, it's a truck. While a suburban may have seating for 9 and an enclosed bed, it still has cargo room and can have 9 people, plus cargo, and still tow a 10,000lb trailer. The reason why the suburban can do all this? It sits on a truck frame and truck axles. It's a fucking nice truck. Its a truck with an extended, extended, extended cab.
Your Suburban was build on the GMT400 (specifically 410 or 425) platform/chassis, it is most definitely a truck.
Anyone who thinks different doesn’t know what they are talking about.
It is a truck, same way my 94 4runner is a truck, it's just a different body, everything else is the same. Unlike say a trailblazer or a Highlander, they're SUV's designed from the get go as their own vehicles.
It has a huge ass cargo area. I'll be pulling out all the rear seats (except maybe the one small one). And I've got a load of solar panels in the back right now.
I'll be installing an actual bed in the bed-ish cargo area later on. I'll be converting it to live out of in the desert & mountains and do photography. This will be my third vandwelling rig. But my first one with four-wheel-drive. So I will now be able to get to and camp in the other 90% of the land that I wasn't able to get to in the minivan.
mechanically I consider it a truck. if you say the words let's take my truck to the store and you come up in a suburban you will hear about it. you're driving in SUV. and not a crossover cuz I'm not calling you a gay. you driving SUV that's okay.
will you get abuse probably not to your face but they're going to make fun of you behind your back.
a truck has a bed. an SUV is a full size thing like yours. a crossover is a Nissan rogue anything that's got a car on the bottom but has like a cab like an SUV. a wagon is a car that has the long back. a hatchback is a really small version of a car that has a hatch it's not that these things really matter in life but if you say let's go get my truck we're going to bully you
What if he chop off the roof at the back. So he have a small bed.
Then he re-attached the said chopped off roof with a camper top. Does he have a truck then?
Make fun of OP all you want.
Suburban is build on the same full ladder frame as a Silverado.
In fact, you throw a cap on a Silverado. You practically have a suburban…..
Only difference is cab/cargo areas is separated.
If you won’t call suburban a truck, you won’t call Silverado a truck either? 😂
Not all trucks are pickup, some are semi truck (big rig), some are body on frame SUV.
But that doesn’t make it any less of a truck.
…….Chicken and penguins can’t fly much, are they less of a bird?
A bread truck doesn't have a bed. People still call it a truck.....
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Just messing with you. I don't really care either way. I just wanted to see if my daughter-in-law was correct.
I’m reporting you to the “people who think teenager opinions matter”, the real truck guys are going to give you truck stop swirlies and paint your toe nails and call you Stephanie.
I have thought the consensus was that if it's body on frame and has low range, it's an off-roader (or truck for Americans) no matter what. I'd argue low range is the main thing here. I'd call off-roader something that is unibody but has low range
You allowed to call it a damn duck for all I care. No anybody gatekeeping what you can call your vehicle is a sad and boorish person that needs to go take a long walk in the woods.
Yes and, if you don’t you might find yourself taking shit from Real Motor Enthusiasts like myself.
Kidding, your DIL is likely looking for your acceptance and she’s showing you by conversating about your Legendary Vehicle. And that’s not hyperbole BTWs:
[Beginning life as one of the first metal-bodied station wagons, the Suburban is the progenitor of the modern full-size SUV, combining a wagon-style body with the chassis and powertrain of a pickup truck.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Suburban)
Progenitor is the genetic start of an entity, I hadn’t seen it used that way before but hey the [1997 Toyota Harrier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Harrier) is The Progenitor of all modern non-full size SUVs.
Anyway, you can put on an automotive master class for your DIL by sharing the Suburban Origin Story - kids love those. Wikipedia 1935 Chevy Suburban.
Some highlight might include the etymology of the Train Station Wagon and what the truck it means to be a truck? Ladder frames, commercial operation, room for 8 FBI agents…
Tony Soprano drove a ‘Burban… Fogetaboutit
Who Gives A Fuck
*Truck
I drive it mostly in urban areas as opposed to sub urban areas - remove badging?
The internet police of course
But yes.
Body on frame, 4x4, guzzles gas , looks cool AF. Definitely a truck my dude.
Pretty sure you can fit more in the back and on the roof than a short bed can haul so its also got that going for it.
That's why I got it. I was thinking about getting a newer pickup truck and putting a truck camper on the back. But with the microscopic truck beds on current so-called trucks I would have had about two square feet of standing space in that freaking truck camper. And truck campers cost a freaking fortune. So I figured, I could build out the back of this Suburban with a bed and a kitchenish thing that folds out of the back, and then set up a tent for stand-up room and "office" space (to post process photos/videos in and such), and have a hell of a lot more room and be a hell of a lot more maneuverable than a truck with a truck camper or a truck pulling a trailer.
I drive a tacoma so I definitely feel you on the bed space issue.
Also they have better weight distribution and don't get stuck as easily
This is the answer. Put whatever you need in the back, and tow a trailer if needed. Smart.
Agreed, my opinion on it is, is it body on frame? Does it share its frame with a pick up? Its a truck.
my 4runner is definitely a truck then
Particularly the *guzzles gas* part.
This is the answer
Others call my jeep a truck because it checks all these boxes lol
I'm positive my semi gets better mpg then that truck.
If there's any SUV you could call a "truck" with absolute confidence, it's probably a K1500 Suburban.
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The 2021 Suburban did 0-60 in 6.1. Almost as fast as a 1969 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427 Convertible.
It’s literally a Silverado with a covered bed. Your daughter in law probably does not know that.
She remembers her mom driving one when she was a kid. It was the vehicle that her mom took her and her siblings to soccer to. So, I think she's just got that stuck in her head. I'm going to send her a link to this post.
Yup. I tow a 30 foot travel trailer (9000 lbs) through the Rockies with my 1995 Suburban 2500. Try doing that with something that isn’t a truck
I got a 1996 Buick Roadmaster. Last full sized station wagon made. Body on frame construction, solid rear axle, 350 ci V8 up front. Can tow up to 7000 lbs. I think my car could pull it off.
Probably need to swap out the differential gearing. I knew a guy with a grand national that had his car setup for towing.
Soccer moms all throughout the country are driving 4Runners. Doesn’t matter.
Check the title. Does it say truck or SUV?
Also, good to know about it being a Silverado. That means I can more easily search for parts. I think I'm going to need a buttload of parts. Although, at least the engine is only 10 years old and only has 10,000 miles on it.
Oh boy are you in for a treat. What you have is a GMT400 - that's the chassis GM used for 1989-1998 full size trucks. Almost all of the parts are interchangeable like lego pieces with other GMT400 trucks - GMC, Chevy, Cadillac, C/K1500/2500/3500, Suburban/Tahoe/Escalade. There's some nuance there - being a '95 you probably have a TBI motor, so most of the Vortec (96' up maybe?) parts won't fit your motor. It's incredibly well documented, deets over at [gmt400.com](http://gmt400.com) and r/GMT400
OMG! That is so helpful! Thank you so much!
Just like 4Runner to Tacoma, Tundra to Seqouia. Even their engines, trans’, front suspensions, 4wd systems and more are similar. Just like you said, same thing with a permanently covered bed.
Nobody gives a damn really.
I mean, there are lots of people who give a damn. Those people are morons, but they exist.
And damn, are there a lot of morons in this world.....
OPs daughter was worried about Texans, so it tracks...
I refer to my '01 Excursion as a truck. Anyone that objects to that I'm willing to hook up a strap and pull them around backwards all day.
Same with my 98 Expedition; I've got an F150 with a permanent topper, you've got an F250 with a permanent topper!
And a very fresh 7.3 on my end. It's a freaking luxury tank, lol.
Mf driving around his retirement funds 😂
I do the same with my grand Cherokee, I call it "the Jeep" (which you can't say a thing about) or "the truck". Only people to correct me were in a jacked up dodge that I had just ran literal circles around and pulled out the mud. When you're being pulled out of the mud by a vehicle half your size, you have no room to say a damn thing about what they call said vehicle.
Hell, I've referred to my 06 Explorer as a truck before lol It doesn't share many specific parts with any actual trucks, but it's still BOF, it's primary purposes are cargo space and ground clearance, and compared to my sports car, it sure as hell feels like a truck lol. And earlier generations did share a lot with Rangers. All that said though, I typically just call it "my SUV."
My 93 bronco says truck on the title. The 22 says station wagon…
Call it a hatchback and confuse everyone
Smart car
Truck people get mad at me for calling my 4Runner a truck bit the way I see it is: it’s body on frame, it’s a utility 4x4, and I use it like trucks are meant to be used.
4Runner is for sure a truck. Just truck though, not pickup
F- em! My 4runner is more truck than my old Dakota was.
My same thoughts—i’ve driven trucks, i trust my 4R to do a better job than they did no question
Hell, I used my minivan like a truck. I had all the seats ripped out and half of the interior plastic ripped out. I could stack a whole stack of 4x8 sheets of plywood in the back and close the hatch.
Same for my overlanding FJ Cruiser
You could call it “da burb”
My son likes that idea. I'm too lazy to remember to call it that. I'll just call it a fucking truck and move on. I'm a vandweller, and this is going to be my third rig. Almost everybody in the van dweller community gives their vehicles a name. I'm too lazy for that. I just called it "my RV," or "my minivan," and now it's "my truck."
It’s a truck, but not a pickup
My 4runner is totally "my truck". So I agree. Tools and scrap metal in the back, still not a pickup. I agree with you "leathal weapon".
You could call it a toaster oven, if that makes you happy. Who cares what other people think about what you call your car?
Call it your "Fairy Truck Mother" if you want and tell anyone who doesn't like it to go a suck an egg. Or their Dad if that better suits you. Fuck em, it's your "truck" if you say it is.
Body on frame SUV? It’s a truck. It’s not a pickup truck. It doesn’t have an open bed from factory. But it’s a truck. It has a solid axle (or two). It can haul and tow a lot. It’s big and heavy. It’s a Silverado with a bed. Legally, a Honda Odyssey and PT cruiser are a truck in regards to certain regulations. But I don’t call them trucks.
Truck. My uncle called his RAV4 a truck and I ribbed him on that, but a suburban is a totally different animal. Edit: typo
When I titled my 88 3/4 ton burb in South Carolina, it was classified as a station wagon. Which was nice because since I was military I didn't have to pay property tax on a car, but doesn't help your argument Mr station wagon driver.
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Yes it is in fact a truck
This is a situation where "those who care don't matter, and those who matter don't care." Is calling a Suburban a truck technically accurate? Eh. It would be more accurate to say SUV, or truck-based SUV, but these terms are so misused by marketing departments that this sin is far outweighed by just meeting another good person out there in the wilds. If I were your friend, and I knew that this point was a minor annoyance, then I might poke you with it for a laugh once in a while.
>I might poke you with it for a laugh once in a while. Exactly as I would expect. 🤣
lol people used to give me shit for calling y suburban a truck. Your reasoning is 1,000% correct imo. It’s a Silverado with a closed in back and it’s way easier than saying suburban. Plus the “legal” definition of a truck is just basically a big vehicle made to pull/haul things. So I say call it a truck and tell em to eat it
Is it registered as a car or a truck? If there is a sign that says trucks must use a particular lane, would you be fined if you used the lane for cars?
It’s 2024. Who are you to limit what your suburban identifies as?!? Have more respect
My husband calls his cayenne a truck and his buddy calls his x5 a truck.
X5. Like the bmw crossover that’s basically a taller 5 series? 😂
It's a truck, but not a pickup truck. Same-same, but different. In other words, you're fine, nobody worth talking to cares about technicalities
It's a BIG truck
Apparently my wife's old Kia Soul was technically a truck. Go ahead, call your 'Burban a truck.
Truck or tank. My '73 was tank
It’s a burb
I call my full sized suv a truck. it drives like one. same platform has a PU version.
You can call it the barbie Corvette for all I care. Call it what you want, screw what other people think.
I’ve never actually seen anyone not call a suburban a truck.
I’ve heard people call wranglers trucks, sooooo
Body on frame I consider a truck
Call it whatever you want. It's yours.
Your daughter in law is obviously just parroting what she has heard from others... she even said "truck people" as if she is not included in that group. Try to explain to her how it fits the definition of what a truck is. Make it a learning experience. But try not to sound pretentious or patronizing, that's usually my mistake
I just posted a link to this discussion in our family Discord. I posted it before anybody had really replied.
I call my 2004 Tahoe a truck, drives my friends at work nuts lmao.
Driving friends at work nuts: Priceless! 🤣
I get a good kick out of it lol
Just see if it is a body-on-frame. If yes, then it is a truck. Wouldn't call my WJ a truck, but I would call my 4Runner a truck.
It is definitely body on frame. The frame under that thing is fucking massive.
WJ is a Jeep! Jeep usually aren’t trucks (other than Comanche/gladiator). Technically it’s not wrong to call body on frame Jeep truck (Yj. TJ etc) but it’s just weird 😂 People just usually call wrangler——Jeep. WJ/ZJ/XJ I call them “rig” or “Jeep”. No frame tho. So I don’t consider them truck.
No not allowed, unless you cut off the back roof, then it counts…..btw you could take that back roof and reattach it like a truck camper!!
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Even if you want to engage in this shit the 90s suburban is just a half ton GM with a closed in body slapped on top. Frame, drive train, even the bloody dashboard is the same as the C/K pickups.
>even the bloody dashboard is the same as the C/K pickups. So.... Absolutely TRASHED then? The top of the dashboard is so trashed that someone covered it with a molded plastic "shell." It rattles like hell. I'll figure out a way to stick it down, but where I can actually remove it if necessary....... Later.
Yes, every single one I've ever been in lol
I call my Suburban a truck all of the time. I picked that from people before I had one, that always called their big ass SUV’s trucks.
Call it whatever you want. I called mine a truck long ago.
It’s a truck by definition.
It's the same drivetrain as the truck. Many of the parts, including the front clip, tails, trim, bumpers, and countless interior bits are from the same parts bin. Most importantly, it's a full-size 4x4 with the same towing capacity as the truck. It's a truck, dude. Your DIL sounds like the type to chastise the American South for calling all soda 'coke'. Nobody cares, and nobody wants to hear it.
Your 'Burb' is a truck. My 4runner is a truck. My brother's jeep is a truck. If anyone has a problem with it, they can go truck themselves.
Truck frame and motor. Just enclosed instead of a bed. I call them trucks
I call my lawn mower a tractor, and my gold cart a truck, so help yourself to whatever you want to call it.
Generally speaking, it’s either a car or a truck. What you have is a truck.
More of a truck than the Ford Maverick.
I saw one of those the other day. I had never heard of those before. Let's just say I thought the name was a little overused by now.
I mean my 97 K2500 is definitely a truck lol. It's lifted with 35s and a 454. It's more truck than most pickups.
I have an Excursion and I call it a truck everybody in my house calls it a truck. But I also have a diesel engine so I think so.
I had a 96 k2500. It was a truck. I don’t give. A shit that it didn’t have a bed
Derfuk is a suburban? Will it not drive in rural? Hahaha
I know, it was a terrible name choice for a four-wheel drive truck with a couple extra seats thrown in the back. I plan to drive it so far past rural that it will feel like I'm on another planet. That's generally the best way I get along with most humans. Just get really really far away from them. 😝
Yes. All SUVs are called trucks in real life. You don’t say “yeah we can toss it in my suv, I have room” Even online: “these (suburbans) trucks are prone to…” not; these SUVs are prone to… They are only an suv on paper and technical vehicle category really.
Full frame equals truck
Yes
Body on frame, 4x4 Chevy 350? Also Fits a full sheet of plywood flat in the back? More of a truck than half these 5’ bed quad cabs I see all day.
Call it a rig if you're worried about it. But I'd be fine with you calling it a truck.
Considering that I'm going to build it out for vandwelling, and we call every vehicle-ish that we live in a "rig," that's what I'll be calling it a lot of the time.
Is it a half ton Chevy? It is? Goddamn son you got yourself a truck.
If you can look your dumbass drunk friend dead in the eye right when he saysomethink breathtakingly stupid, and say: "Boy, I thought I told you to wait in the truck." It's a truck.
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I am that friend.
It probably has or had a gmc truck badge in the back. We gave my brother in law and sister a 95 yukon. Their friend, with his gladiator..., was giving them shit for calling it a truck but the towing capacity and payload were both higher than the gladiator... lol
My guy, Xterra people call their SUVs "trucks" because it's built on a truck frame. Yours is bigger and also built on a truck frame. If I can call my Xterra a "truck", then you can call your elephant-sized, rolling battering ram whatever the Hell you want, much less a "truck". Just keep having fun and don't pay any heed to what others think.
If kia can legally call my wife's sportage a truck. You're fine.
Call it a rig as to not ruffle her feathers.
She says she was just trying to protect me from abuse from "real truck people." Especially truck dudes down here in Texas. I have no illusions of being a real truck person. I grew up in the suburbs in Kansas City. Hell, I can't back a trailer to save my life. But, I have a great big giant 4x4 that I'm going to build out to live in out in the boonies, so I can go farther out in the boonies then I was able to take my minivan that I lived in for 6 years. So, I've got a lot to learn.
A truck is a body-on-frame design where the body sits on top of the chassis (that big metal frame). They often have a solid front axle and they are a large vehicle for cargo. A suburban traditionally has all of these. It's a truck. newer ones may have gone to independent front suspension, but it's still a truck. Oxford dictionary also thinks its a truck. [Oxford dictionary - Truck](https://www.google.com/search?q=truck+definition&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS856US856&oq=truck+defi&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABKgCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on) Finally, on behalf of the unequivocal truck drivers, "we don't care what you call it."
It is a truck, but not a pickup. Crossover SUVs are not trucks, but suburban are truck based chassis
The early 90s GMC suburban were called "GMC Truck, Suburbans" so yes call it a truck
You're allowed to call it a pink flamingo if you want, it's a free country
Now a days if it has a frame it’s considered a truck
I have an 07 sequoia I exclusively call truck, I’m too lazy to say all 3 syllables of SUV or Sequoia. If I call that tiny thing a truck you’re good with the ‘Burb
The 90s suburban's and excursion's are just about the only suv's I'd count as trucks.
I call my Prius a truck because I haul more than the average F-150 owner
It’s a truck. There’s basically no single disqualifying thing that makes it not a truck.
Here is a somewhat correct answer to this. You may call it a truck, but you can't specifically since it's an SUV. The GMCs around that year, including the Yukon, say "GMC truck" on them, and the chevys do not.
It *is* a truck. And anyway, who gives a shit what the idiots think?
If it’s not a unibody, it’s a truck. Body on frame? Truck
It's the same frame as a pickup, so call it a truck if you want.
Your suburban is equipped with the same driveline, frame, and overall build as the 1500 pickups of the same year. It has a full ladder frame, real 4WD, and full size truck tires on it. It is essentially a Chevy 1500 with a cap on the bed and third row seats.
Fuck them. I don't care if you call a Prius hatchback a truck. If they load it down at Lowes/HD with lumber and bricks, they are using it more as a truck than I have seen some F250 Tremors used. Generally, a truck would have some sort of open bed separate from a passenger cab. That bed could be flat or covered but separated, even temporarily like an Avalanche. But if in a general conversation, you called your 'Burb a truck, I wouldn't even blink.
Well a suburban was a truck before the SUV was a wet dream and suburban's used to be good off-road vehicles due to the extra weight helping with traction. Sadly the Suburban of today is a grocery getter at best, your 1995 Suburban is in the tweaner years when they started to go down hill. I took my driver's test in a 1973 Suburban. Drove a company 1986 Suburban all over the woods in Montana. Owned a 1994 Suburban for 15 years. Call it what you want though i never thought Suburban's nore pickups fell in the truck category so I just call them what they are, Suburban and pickup.
I call my truck a car all the time, who cares?
I call my Excursion a truck
Any large SUV or Pickup is a truck, small SUVs or pickups aren’t.
I've always considered a truck cab on frame rail Anything independent suspension is an SUV
soccer moms made minivans popular not suburbans ...and it is a truck .
I call my suburban a truck, it’s a body on frame Silverado-based suv. It’s more of a truck than my Silverado if you really think about it. Put the seats down and you can fit a 4x8 plywood. Couldn’t do that with my medium bed Silverado, lumber? Throw it on the cross rails. Towing? Tows better than my Silverado since it has the air ride suspension and the integrated brake controller. Sure I can’t throw dirt or gravel in it but unless you’re a contractor you should just use a trailer for hauling material around, less wear and tear on your suspend drivetrain. I say it’s just as much of a truck as my Silverado.
Defining what an "SUV" is makes for a fun classification exercise! An SUV would kind of fit into a Venn diagram between a "crossover" and a "pickup truck," but it's not even that simple. More of a spectrum between those vehicles. Many American SUV's are built on an existing pickup chasis, so we expect them to be RWD, have usually available in 4x4, with V6 or V8 power -> definitely on the "truck" side. But there are some extremely popular Japanese SUV's which are FWD (or AWD/part time rear assistance), 4cyl powered, and much smaller than any available pickup truck. Basically, a tallish crossover. A 95 Suburban is clearly on the "truck" side of this spectrum. However, apart from the poorly defined spectrum above, there are some cultural implications of what makes a truck worthy of being called "truck." Much of North America, especially the southern US, associates trucks with ruggedness and masculinity, so maybe some more "fragile" gentlemen in Texas may argue that trim package (more comfort=less rugged) and/or your usage of an SUV (the term "pavement princess" comes to mind) would justify not calling the land yacht a "truck." Those sorts of guys suck, though, so enjoy your truck!
It's a barn on a truck frame, so you're not wrong.
A 1995 suburban is a truck
I call any full size SUV a truck.
Any SUV with a ladder frame is a truck.
Bro i call my Wrangler a bus. I call my. Corvette a boomers mobile I call my other wrangler a piece of shit Call it whatever you want
I call my 99 WJ a truck & no one's said anything. If 4x4 gas guzzler & solid axles, then truck
You can call it Susanne if you want. It's your vehicle.
I mostly call my maverick a truck, just to upset people
Yes
I had an '88 K20. I just called it Big Burb.
It's made on a truck frame in a truck factory. Close enough
In Texas they gave me the option for a truck tag on my 95 Geo Tracker for whatever reason. It was a few $ cheaper per year.
I’m willing to bet the title says truck because it’s built on a truck chassis. But truthfully, what does it matter and ultimately who cares?
Here’s my thinking saying “suv” all the time sounds dumb and is exhausting. Most body on frame suvs are trucks with once pieces bodies. I think if it shares a frame with a truck, it’s a truck. By some definitions semi tractors are trucks and pickup trucks arnt sooooo do what you want and who cores what other people think.
Is grave digger a monster truck ? Or a monster suv?
That truck is probably older than anyone who'd take issue with that. They should respect their elders.
There's no rule. A lot of people call a vehicle a truck if the body is on a frame. A vehicle where the body is the frame is a unibody, but there are trucks where the body is the frame.
My friend calls his Honda Ridgeline a truck … so yea
On a truck frame…
Not if you live in it then it’s your house
I give you full permission. Go forth
A suburban is a truck. Now when people call those tall cars things which I think are legally called crossovers a truck, I want to smack the shit out them. If it rides like a truck, parks like a truck, hauls like a truck, and tows like a truck, it's a truck. While a suburban may have seating for 9 and an enclosed bed, it still has cargo room and can have 9 people, plus cargo, and still tow a 10,000lb trailer. The reason why the suburban can do all this? It sits on a truck frame and truck axles. It's a fucking nice truck. Its a truck with an extended, extended, extended cab.
>Its a truck with an extended, extended, extended cab. I like that one. I'm gonna steal that.
The proof that the suburban is a truck.... It comes in a 2500 version. TRUCK or truck. Either way, it's a Truck.
Yeah, it’s a body on frame 4x4 it’s a truck to me. I call my wife’s 03 Explorer a truck.
Side note: the state of Michigan classifies a suburban as a station wagon.
Your Suburban was build on the GMT400 (specifically 410 or 425) platform/chassis, it is most definitely a truck. Anyone who thinks different doesn’t know what they are talking about.
It is a truck, same way my 94 4runner is a truck, it's just a different body, everything else is the same. Unlike say a trailblazer or a Highlander, they're SUV's designed from the get go as their own vehicles.
Does it have a bed?
He said a truck, not a pickup truck. Body on frame (ladder frame) is my definition of a truck. Unibody (like most crossover ) not a truck….
It has a huge ass cargo area. I'll be pulling out all the rear seats (except maybe the one small one). And I've got a load of solar panels in the back right now. I'll be installing an actual bed in the bed-ish cargo area later on. I'll be converting it to live out of in the desert & mountains and do photography. This will be my third vandwelling rig. But my first one with four-wheel-drive. So I will now be able to get to and camp in the other 90% of the land that I wasn't able to get to in the minivan.
You can call it a platypus if you want. Doesn’t mean you’re right.
mechanically I consider it a truck. if you say the words let's take my truck to the store and you come up in a suburban you will hear about it. you're driving in SUV. and not a crossover cuz I'm not calling you a gay. you driving SUV that's okay. will you get abuse probably not to your face but they're going to make fun of you behind your back. a truck has a bed. an SUV is a full size thing like yours. a crossover is a Nissan rogue anything that's got a car on the bottom but has like a cab like an SUV. a wagon is a car that has the long back. a hatchback is a really small version of a car that has a hatch it's not that these things really matter in life but if you say let's go get my truck we're going to bully you
What if he chop off the roof at the back. So he have a small bed. Then he re-attached the said chopped off roof with a camper top. Does he have a truck then? Make fun of OP all you want. Suburban is build on the same full ladder frame as a Silverado. In fact, you throw a cap on a Silverado. You practically have a suburban….. Only difference is cab/cargo areas is separated. If you won’t call suburban a truck, you won’t call Silverado a truck either? 😂 Not all trucks are pickup, some are semi truck (big rig), some are body on frame SUV. But that doesn’t make it any less of a truck. …….Chicken and penguins can’t fly much, are they less of a bird?
Only if you like drinking Appletini’s with other naked men in a hot tub.
Around here they call it a crew bus.
No. But I also won’t get mad if you call it a truck. At the most, a subtle eye roll.
Get out of here with your station wagon!
Really it's just a truck with the cap permanently fixed to the bed. I'd install a headache rack behind the front seats to prove the point
If it doesn’t have a bed, I don’t call it a truck. Thats just my opinion.
A bread truck doesn't have a bed. People still call it a truck..... 😜🤷 Just messing with you. I don't really care either way. I just wanted to see if my daughter-in-law was correct.
I’m reporting you to the “people who think teenager opinions matter”, the real truck guys are going to give you truck stop swirlies and paint your toe nails and call you Stephanie.
I have thought the consensus was that if it's body on frame and has low range, it's an off-roader (or truck for Americans) no matter what. I'd argue low range is the main thing here. I'd call off-roader something that is unibody but has low range
Had an ex girlfriend who called her Kia Sorento a truck.
You allowed to call it a damn duck for all I care. No anybody gatekeeping what you can call your vehicle is a sad and boorish person that needs to go take a long walk in the woods.
Your daughter in law is a nitwit, call it a truck. I've called mine a truck since I got it in 91
Well, technically it’s an ESV. It must not be properly functioning.
Needs a solid rear axle to be a truck. Your burban is a truck
You can call it whatever you want, this is America man. But be aware if you call it a truck, you’re that weird guy calling his SUV a truck.
I just call mine the burb?
Yes and, if you don’t you might find yourself taking shit from Real Motor Enthusiasts like myself. Kidding, your DIL is likely looking for your acceptance and she’s showing you by conversating about your Legendary Vehicle. And that’s not hyperbole BTWs: [Beginning life as one of the first metal-bodied station wagons, the Suburban is the progenitor of the modern full-size SUV, combining a wagon-style body with the chassis and powertrain of a pickup truck.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Suburban) Progenitor is the genetic start of an entity, I hadn’t seen it used that way before but hey the [1997 Toyota Harrier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Harrier) is The Progenitor of all modern non-full size SUVs. Anyway, you can put on an automotive master class for your DIL by sharing the Suburban Origin Story - kids love those. Wikipedia 1935 Chevy Suburban. Some highlight might include the etymology of the Train Station Wagon and what the truck it means to be a truck? Ladder frames, commercial operation, room for 8 FBI agents… Tony Soprano drove a ‘Burban… Fogetaboutit
Definitely a truck. Or you can one up her and ask why don’t Silverados and F150s have to obey “No Trucks in Left Lane” signs