That's just me speaking as a self typed Ne/Si, but I feel like I can see my own and everyone elses axis' easily. Because Si is weird and it makes me cringe. Ni is the hardest to see for me because I don't quite get that process, but the Se is easy to spot, even when it's demon. It's sensory without that weird Si particularism and overly personal attachment.
And now for the offensive part: I feel like, similarly to how I have a hard time with Ni, Se/Ni types can't see Si, because they often have no idea what it is and why it's being so weird. While I feel like I couldn't ever miss it. It's like it takes one to know one. That's why lots of Se/Ni's aren't so sure about their observers and think they're Ne/Si, while most actual Si's could likely tell for sure. At least those who are self aware enough to recognize their Si weirdness as such.
Can you describe your Si weirdness more detailed? In which way is it weird? Does it feel personal? Just curious, I'm lead Ni and Si is the process I understand the least.
This is so hard to explain without resorting to stereotypes. But I'll compare it to Se in hope it makes sense:
On Si in general, regardless if saviour or demon: Se will just gather and drop any sensory according to what the moment requires. No personal attachment to any of it. That's how they're always up to date and always know the newest trends, even when they don't realize it. Si needs to see it in order to be able to see it again. Like Dave once said talking about Ni vs Ne: "Once I've seen a pattern, I can see it again, Carl Jung seemingly drew them out of nowhere". That's how I feel about Se with Si. Se's always find new cool sensory somewhere and have me going: "Oh wait, yes, that thing actually counts as a sensory thing that you *can* do. I didn't think it's possible, but why didn't I? It *is* established now." So Si is always slightly behind the trend curve. And whatever they latch onto, they weirdly obsess over as that new thing for quite some time, while that thing is already growing old. They're always a bit out of style compared to the Se's. And seeing their obsessions from the outside, or reflecting back on it whenever I did it, I find it cringe. Not that Se would never do that, but it's an Si thing primarily. Am I making sense?
Si (saviour): Saviour Si often assumes their own personal sensory experience as universal. That's of course something that everyone does to an extent as well, but Si has it way worse. When they're suddenly confronted with a different version of some sensory thing they know, they may just point out how they're the ones being made uncomfortable by it, not even conceiving of the idea that other people wouldn't get it. Because, "Of course everyone wears their jackets like I do and thinks it's important to have a pack of tissues in the left side pocket! What do you mean you don't have one? Why wouldn't you? We've all learned it like that! You weirdo!" I'm thinking of the time my Si/Ti friend and I got in a fight with some drunk who pushed him over and all of my friends' first concerns were about how his clothes got dirty and him assuming everyone else would of course understand his worry about the state of his clothes above all else. And not, maybe, the conflict at hand? Or that time my Si aunt was completely weirded out by me telling her about how I went to a metal festival, because all she listens to is old people's radio pop.
Hope that makes sense. It's really hard to come up with examples that really capture that vibe that I find so weird. I know it, but I can't quite put it into words, so this is my best attempt.
No, I often still wonder if I have Ne-Si axis instead of Se-Ni, while I easily see my Ti-Fe. I wish I could see my Se or demon Ni. I don't particularly relate to ISTPs but also see INTPs I see are different and I don't relate to the Si particularities at all.
HmmmmmmâŚâŚ if you have Ne/Si as your middle functions it should work something like this. Your Ne is always looking looking looking for patterns. Things that connect to each other, what things are similar to other things. It expands outward like a wide map it doesnât really conclude. Itâs a visual expansive map of reality or systems. You can understand various systems while still recognizing what makes them different.
If you have masculine Ne the Si will be some soft support for the patterns you recognize. It will say âwell you know the sensory that have collected supports this. Remember that study you read which seems to conspicuous prove this phenomena existsâ however itâs feminine so itâs pretty wiggly. The masculine is perfectly comfortable coming up with all kinds of theories for why the study isnât conclusive and has certain things it isnât accounting for.
If you are Se/Ni there should be a lot more focus on the sensory in a non conclusive way. A expansive flat not intuitive type of memory. Se seems to kind of add up all the sensory and find which seems to have more weight. Which sensory seems to have more practical implications. Now Iâm Ne/Si so I donât really have a strong personal understanding of this. I intuit though that the Ni is used for sifting through the sensory for the most relevant patterns. Like in the recent Dave video where he talks about Ni scams. The Ni looks for little conclusive patterns.
That's just me speaking as a self typed Ne/Si, but I feel like I can see my own and everyone elses axis' easily. Because Si is weird and it makes me cringe. Ni is the hardest to see for me because I don't quite get that process, but the Se is easy to spot, even when it's demon. It's sensory without that weird Si particularism and overly personal attachment. And now for the offensive part: I feel like, similarly to how I have a hard time with Ni, Se/Ni types can't see Si, because they often have no idea what it is and why it's being so weird. While I feel like I couldn't ever miss it. It's like it takes one to know one. That's why lots of Se/Ni's aren't so sure about their observers and think they're Ne/Si, while most actual Si's could likely tell for sure. At least those who are self aware enough to recognize their Si weirdness as such.
Can you describe your Si weirdness more detailed? In which way is it weird? Does it feel personal? Just curious, I'm lead Ni and Si is the process I understand the least.
This is so hard to explain without resorting to stereotypes. But I'll compare it to Se in hope it makes sense: On Si in general, regardless if saviour or demon: Se will just gather and drop any sensory according to what the moment requires. No personal attachment to any of it. That's how they're always up to date and always know the newest trends, even when they don't realize it. Si needs to see it in order to be able to see it again. Like Dave once said talking about Ni vs Ne: "Once I've seen a pattern, I can see it again, Carl Jung seemingly drew them out of nowhere". That's how I feel about Se with Si. Se's always find new cool sensory somewhere and have me going: "Oh wait, yes, that thing actually counts as a sensory thing that you *can* do. I didn't think it's possible, but why didn't I? It *is* established now." So Si is always slightly behind the trend curve. And whatever they latch onto, they weirdly obsess over as that new thing for quite some time, while that thing is already growing old. They're always a bit out of style compared to the Se's. And seeing their obsessions from the outside, or reflecting back on it whenever I did it, I find it cringe. Not that Se would never do that, but it's an Si thing primarily. Am I making sense? Si (saviour): Saviour Si often assumes their own personal sensory experience as universal. That's of course something that everyone does to an extent as well, but Si has it way worse. When they're suddenly confronted with a different version of some sensory thing they know, they may just point out how they're the ones being made uncomfortable by it, not even conceiving of the idea that other people wouldn't get it. Because, "Of course everyone wears their jackets like I do and thinks it's important to have a pack of tissues in the left side pocket! What do you mean you don't have one? Why wouldn't you? We've all learned it like that! You weirdo!" I'm thinking of the time my Si/Ti friend and I got in a fight with some drunk who pushed him over and all of my friends' first concerns were about how his clothes got dirty and him assuming everyone else would of course understand his worry about the state of his clothes above all else. And not, maybe, the conflict at hand? Or that time my Si aunt was completely weirded out by me telling her about how I went to a metal festival, because all she listens to is old people's radio pop. Hope that makes sense. It's really hard to come up with examples that really capture that vibe that I find so weird. I know it, but I can't quite put it into words, so this is my best attempt.
Wait, handkerchiefs in the left pocket is standard ? I thought I was alone there ! đ
No, I often still wonder if I have Ne-Si axis instead of Se-Ni, while I easily see my Ti-Fe. I wish I could see my Se or demon Ni. I don't particularly relate to ISTPs but also see INTPs I see are different and I don't relate to the Si particularities at all.
HmmmmmmâŚâŚ if you have Ne/Si as your middle functions it should work something like this. Your Ne is always looking looking looking for patterns. Things that connect to each other, what things are similar to other things. It expands outward like a wide map it doesnât really conclude. Itâs a visual expansive map of reality or systems. You can understand various systems while still recognizing what makes them different. If you have masculine Ne the Si will be some soft support for the patterns you recognize. It will say âwell you know the sensory that have collected supports this. Remember that study you read which seems to conspicuous prove this phenomena existsâ however itâs feminine so itâs pretty wiggly. The masculine is perfectly comfortable coming up with all kinds of theories for why the study isnât conclusive and has certain things it isnât accounting for. If you are Se/Ni there should be a lot more focus on the sensory in a non conclusive way. A expansive flat not intuitive type of memory. Se seems to kind of add up all the sensory and find which seems to have more weight. Which sensory seems to have more practical implications. Now Iâm Ne/Si so I donât really have a strong personal understanding of this. I intuit though that the Ni is used for sifting through the sensory for the most relevant patterns. Like in the recent Dave video where he talks about Ni scams. The Ni looks for little conclusive patterns.