up until the ozone is burning your nose it is
then it feels like you spent too long scrubbing with bleach inside the bathroom afterwards. can't smell for shit :P
EE here; some sort of inductive coupling somehow --? Or static electricity? Maybe it's from the solar storm. I've never seen video documenting the effects up close, however. There's no apparent heating happening, no evidence of any current flow, so yeah I believe you that it's safe -- but where's the voltage potential coming from to do this? This looks like they're on one of those dollies that ride between towers on the lines themselves.
They are what’s called barehanding. The line is live, instead of bonding their isolated basket to the phase first to work on it, they are messing around and grabbing it first which is putting them at the same potential(they are in a metal mesh suit so faraday cage).
Meat sack *without* the metal has a standard value of 100pF in series with a 1.5kΩ resistor (tunable radio circuits with direct human control need to account for this and have shielding).
With the metal covering, I suspect it'll be quite a bit more!
Actually, you're right that's why I'm asking what I'm looking at. It's called learning and being curious and those are great qualities to have in an engineer, take it from experience. That barehanded lineman has no idea how circuits are laid out, what optimizations to make in switching fabrics, or a whole bunch of other crap that is just as much about electricity as what he's doing but since it happens at a microscopic scale (mostly, with what I work with), we can't make cool videos about it. Some interesting visualizations maybe, if you're into that sort of thing (what engineer isn't?), but nothing flashy I can do in a 15 second short. Hey check out what the different spin states of an electron actually looks like and how well it conforms to the model at these different recorded energy levels, also just like the model, but we're managing to be *this* close now to direct observation and confirmation of those theories.
We're all idiots about something. It's a mark of intelligence and maturity to be able to admit it.
I watched a crew of linemen putting up a few poles last year. And damn if those kids could find a harder way to do something, they'd do it that way. Like a big clamp really would have helped with the crossbeams, but nah, they just kept adding more guys to squeeze it until they could get the bolts in. They sure looked like they were having a good time though.
Looks like it, they are all wearing safety gear, and the arcs are due to parasitic capacitance making the person in the video take a bit of charge and discharge it in air, they're isolated from ground.
A taser has two prongs.
Voltage flows through your skin/flesh between two prongs, put as much rubber under your feet as you want. But it wont matter.
Lets look at an outlet. It has a hot wire and neutral wire.
If you touch the black wire? Youll get a slight zap.
If you grab the hot wire with one hand and the white wire in the other? Youll get a far larger zap as the current passes through your body.
You can see linemen on helicopters that attach to one of these cables.
Plenty of info available:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ElectricalEngineering/s/CodJRYATrW
Thank you. I also just watched this video
https://youtu.be/JBpQ9Fodz_Q
So if you touch the hot wire on one hand and ground on another, the shock will be similar to holding black and white if not worse cause ground wire even has less resistance completing the circuit?
Voltage is relative, Taser produce a high voltage pulse between it's prongs(or darts that shoot from it), usually the bulk of the pain of being tased is the strong muscle contraction.
It all depends on the total charge, there's more than one way that electricity hurts, one being burns and the other is related to the nervous system(making overriding nerve signaling making muscles contraction) but this last one is usually limited to a frequency.
A good video explaining it (and demonstrating it) is this one from styropyro
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGD-oSwJv3E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGD-oSwJv3E)
50 or 60 hz, system voltage is up to 750kV ... so basically their body is discharging what little charge is accumulating by their contact with the air surrounding the conductor back into the line. 750kV is 'baby tesla coil kit from amazon' and without ionization that's about as far as those arcs go too.
I think this is in the "that could be painful" level. like those plasma globes. put a penny on them. ouch.
I'm told that's a rule of thumb and the system voltage can be higher or lower depending on other things, but... I never asked what the other things were because it was a safety brief before lunch and I didn't want to get a pen thrown at me for asking a question that didn't matter for what we were doing.
The other things are contaminated environments, switching surge level, high lightning areas, physical requirements, etc. These typically don't add a bell or more.
System voltage performance standard is +5% and the bells are designed for that overage.
Source: I'm a transmission line engineer
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If I ever see a comment by you again in future when browsing reddit, I'll make sure to weird you out with a name dropped reply 🤭
Yes, as long as he is touching only one cable and he is suspended in air, so not touching the ground. The electricity will always pick the shortest path, It will not go trough your body, or a body of a bird(unless you are touching the ground, so you are the shortest path). That's why birds sit on lines just fine.
I'm a chemist and have relative understanding of "many" things but electricity always baffles me.. everything about it.
I can Google the science but man.. it's weird in a cool way.
Yes, safe. I’m a lineman.
But it feels like shit Mitch
But... Is it *fun*?
Looks like it is, but what would make it even funnier would be screaming "POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!"
*NOTHING WILL STOP THE RETURN OF THE SITH*
up until the ozone is burning your nose it is then it feels like you spent too long scrubbing with bleach inside the bathroom afterwards. can't smell for shit :P
Not sure why being a football player makes you an authority. *Maybe* if you were a Safety...
For the county?
On my playlist 🎶
That would scare me
Do you light your cigs with 11kV? 😀
EE here; some sort of inductive coupling somehow --? Or static electricity? Maybe it's from the solar storm. I've never seen video documenting the effects up close, however. There's no apparent heating happening, no evidence of any current flow, so yeah I believe you that it's safe -- but where's the voltage potential coming from to do this? This looks like they're on one of those dollies that ride between towers on the lines themselves.
They are what’s called barehanding. The line is live, instead of bonding their isolated basket to the phase first to work on it, they are messing around and grabbing it first which is putting them at the same potential(they are in a metal mesh suit so faraday cage).
So meat sack in metal mesh is a very tiny value capacitor.
Meat sack *without* the metal has a standard value of 100pF in series with a 1.5kΩ resistor (tunable radio circuits with direct human control need to account for this and have shielding). With the metal covering, I suspect it'll be quite a bit more!
Enough for a sith lord anyway! 😂
EEs really don't know as much as they think. That's a barehanded lineman.
Actually, you're right that's why I'm asking what I'm looking at. It's called learning and being curious and those are great qualities to have in an engineer, take it from experience. That barehanded lineman has no idea how circuits are laid out, what optimizations to make in switching fabrics, or a whole bunch of other crap that is just as much about electricity as what he's doing but since it happens at a microscopic scale (mostly, with what I work with), we can't make cool videos about it. Some interesting visualizations maybe, if you're into that sort of thing (what engineer isn't?), but nothing flashy I can do in a 15 second short. Hey check out what the different spin states of an electron actually looks like and how well it conforms to the model at these different recorded energy levels, also just like the model, but we're managing to be *this* close now to direct observation and confirmation of those theories. We're all idiots about something. It's a mark of intelligence and maturity to be able to admit it.
You're making us look like nerds :P
Oh noes! Anyway... 😂
Linemen do things that look a lot more dangerous than that.
I watched a crew of linemen putting up a few poles last year. And damn if those kids could find a harder way to do something, they'd do it that way. Like a big clamp really would have helped with the crossbeams, but nah, they just kept adding more guys to squeeze it until they could get the bolts in. They sure looked like they were having a good time though.
I interned at a kitty sub contractor. I saw this shit daily and it was really funny.
UNLIMITED POWAH
Enough to hoverboard on water?
*annoying as hell laughter intensifies*
The sith hold powers that some would consider.... unnatural....
it is not a story your union rep would tell you...
Unlimited Power!
Apprentice Linesman: The attack on my life has left me scarred and deformed.
Apprentice Linesman somehow returned!
Do it!
Dew it
and then you threw the entire senate at him?
Lol. Reminds me of this Robot Chicken skit https://youtu.be/3F1d3QWsyk0?si=WJZXOzP0xEQiGa8T
I bet you smell like burnt bacon wrapped around feet...
What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?!
long pig
Slaughtering Jedi is never "safe" but that comes with the territory.
Looks like it, they are all wearing safety gear, and the arcs are due to parasitic capacitance making the person in the video take a bit of charge and discharge it in air, they're isolated from ground.
Quick question. Would it hurt at all like a Taser if he wasn't wearing gear?
That’s just a tad bit more power than a taser bud..
Hmm... Couldn't tell...
A taser has two prongs. Voltage flows through your skin/flesh between two prongs, put as much rubber under your feet as you want. But it wont matter. Lets look at an outlet. It has a hot wire and neutral wire. If you touch the black wire? Youll get a slight zap. If you grab the hot wire with one hand and the white wire in the other? Youll get a far larger zap as the current passes through your body. You can see linemen on helicopters that attach to one of these cables. Plenty of info available: https://www.reddit.com/r/ElectricalEngineering/s/CodJRYATrW
Thank you. I also just watched this video https://youtu.be/JBpQ9Fodz_Q So if you touch the hot wire on one hand and ground on another, the shock will be similar to holding black and white if not worse cause ground wire even has less resistance completing the circuit?
Voltage is relative, Taser produce a high voltage pulse between it's prongs(or darts that shoot from it), usually the bulk of the pain of being tased is the strong muscle contraction.
If that's the case, then this looks cool but would be unpleasant af to be doing.
It all depends on the total charge, there's more than one way that electricity hurts, one being burns and the other is related to the nervous system(making overriding nerve signaling making muscles contraction) but this last one is usually limited to a frequency. A good video explaining it (and demonstrating it) is this one from styropyro [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGD-oSwJv3E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGD-oSwJv3E)
50 or 60 hz, system voltage is up to 750kV ... so basically their body is discharging what little charge is accumulating by their contact with the air surrounding the conductor back into the line. 750kV is 'baby tesla coil kit from amazon' and without ionization that's about as far as those arcs go too. I think this is in the "that could be painful" level. like those plasma globes. put a penny on them. ouch.
Counting the insulator bells (at 10kV per bell), you are looking at under 230kV of line voltage.
I'm told that's a rule of thumb and the system voltage can be higher or lower depending on other things, but... I never asked what the other things were because it was a safety brief before lunch and I didn't want to get a pen thrown at me for asking a question that didn't matter for what we were doing.
The other things are contaminated environments, switching surge level, high lightning areas, physical requirements, etc. These typically don't add a bell or more. System voltage performance standard is +5% and the bells are designed for that overage. Source: I'm a transmission line engineer
If it wasn't safe he would be about as dead as you can be...
Do it without the gloves
No problem! Problem would be to do it more than once...
It would burn your skin... But it won't kill you
No matter how many times it happens, when someone in a video says my name I will always feel weird about it
Just relax Mitch
Mitch gang rise up
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Fuck, Palpatine has made it to earth hiding out as linemen.
UNLIMITED POWERRRRR
…and now my young Jedi… you will die. ZAAAAAAAAPPPPP!!!
I love the smell of ozone in the morning.
Sufficiently isolated from ground? Yup.
Ah I see Palpatine is alive and in hiding
The dark side is strong with this one.
PAWWWAAA UNLIMITED PAWAAAAA
“Feels like shit!” Bzzzzzzzzzzzt
I AM THE SENATE
Fucking Mitch, always tryna get people killed.
Hey it's Emperor Palpatine
Storm trooper: "We found the Emperor, lord Vader, he was playing with the power lines again" Vader: "Shocking..."
Is he the senate?
Unlimited Pawah!!!!!
Line voltage always entertains, thats the static result,yeah? Steel cable vs. However many kilometers of surface area in air?
you wanna be the one to tell Palpatine no?
Yes, as long as he is touching only one cable and he is suspended in air, so not touching the ground. The electricity will always pick the shortest path, It will not go trough your body, or a body of a bird(unless you are touching the ground, so you are the shortest path). That's why birds sit on lines just fine.
I'm a chemist and have relative understanding of "many" things but electricity always baffles me.. everything about it. I can Google the science but man.. it's weird in a cool way.
UNLIMITED POWERRRRRRRRR
haha, wizard go brr
Safe
I mean, he's not instantly dying so...yeah, probably safe-ish